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Reproductive Justice and Gender

What's So Great About Beauty?

By Shannon Rupp, The Tyee. Posted June 14, 2008.


From soap ads to elections, looking good is way overrated.
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I thought I had resigned myself to the relentless onslaught of porn infecting every aspect of life, from the skank-wear on the streets, to gratuitous nudity in advertising, to the sitcoms where gags about handcuffs, anal sex, and blow jobs make me want to, well, gag.

I used to think porn culture's driving ethos -- that women have no purpose but to titillate men -- would fade as the sexist old guys died out. In short, I was an optimist. Right until I was hit with Dove's cynical Campaign for Real Beauty and some American election commentary all in the same sick-making hour.

Dove is earning positive ink-and-air for its supposedly inclusive definition of beauty. The campaign features a parade of old, wrinkled, saggy women that Dove labels "beautiful." They even shoot them naked, a la Annie Leibovitz in Vanity Fair because apparently you're nobody until you're photographed in the buff.

Are they beautiful? Hell no. Not even with fab lighting, professional make-up, and talented photogs. They're average.

But that's not the issue. The question is why does Dove insist that every woman, of every age, in every walk of life, be beautiful? And that she should get naked in public to convince herself that she too is worthy of a meat flute solo?

Down side of lustworthy

Outside of the mating game, beauty is pretty much useless. It's sort of like being ambidextrous, it's a nice quality of have, but hardly essential. Unless a woman aspires to be a porn star, or any of its variations -- such as a Hollywood actress or a fashion model -- there's little value in lustworthy looks. Although there is a fair bit of grief. Ask the beauties: many will mutter about being asshole magnets. They'll tell tales of being hassled by men on the streets or on the job. The smart ones often play down their looks, noting that the wrong kind of attention isn't just irritating -- it's dangerous.

It's no wonder Dove is getting away with its latest consumer con. Since most Americans are ignorant of evolutionary biology, they have no understanding of what the word beauty means when applied to a woman rather than a Grecian urn. Not surprising really, given that 16 per cent of American high school science teachers are creationists who promote religious superstition in their classes and dismiss Darwin.

So here's a primer. While fashions in ideal weights and adornments change, all humans define beauty the same way: we admire physical qualities that suggest health, fertility, and the ability to survive. Smooth, clear skin, specific hip- or shoulder-to-waist ratios, balanced features and well-proportioned bodies all register on the subconscious of both sexes as good breeding partners, and translate to the conscious mind as "beautiful." One of the well-publicized findings from the research on attraction is that the waist-to-hip ratio of Marilyn Monroe -- chubby by today's standards -- and stick-insect model Kate Moss are the same. Researchers suggest it implies fertility.

So calling a woman beautiful really means that she will appeal to all men as a sexual partner. Now why, exactly, would any woman want to appeal to all men? Who made appealing-to-men the ultimate measure of a woman's worth? Or beauty the one thing that makes her attractive?

All those beauty industries that profit from the view that women have no purpose but to inspire chub slapping, that's who.

Boy crazy

Dove's campaign is brilliant because is delivers the same old message, that women are worthless without male sexual approval, while challenging the Vogue-model-look of the moment. And they do so with propaganda films so sophisticated that Leni Riefenstahl would applaud.

Amy shows only a boy, about 12, on his bicycle going to see Amy. He calls at her window, but she won't come out. A super comes up: "Amy can name 12 things wrong with her appearance. He can't name one."

Sweet commercial? Perhaps. Now, explain to me why this pre-pubescent girl's life is dramatized through the eyes of a guy? Why is his opinion featured as the significant one? Why is she -- and by extension all women -- taught to have no sense of her worth beyond her value in the eyes of men?

Apparently the Dove brain trust figured that if they reassure women that they are beautiful -- i.e. boink-worthy -- then in gratitude they'll opt for the soap-seller's brand of budget skin care.

Again, who needs to be beautiful? It won't help anyone discover a cure for cancer, spot the billionaire-making investment, change the law, run faster, or write a brilliant book. Beauty doesn't even convey opportunities to the extent some people believe -- Oprah didn't get to be a billionaire on her looks.

Judging by the number of size 12 women with flat chests, short legs, and beady eyes running around, it appears average looks have done just fine for millennia. For all of us to be here today fretting over how much plastic surgery we need, many an average looking foremother must have caught the attention of our forefathers. So I'm guessing there's more to this mate-attracting thing than arousing every man who walks by?


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Paris for Prez
Posted by: Artkansas on Jun 14, 2008 1:06 AM   
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Actually to modern corporate politcal handlers, Paris would be the perfect President. She's docile and trained to do as she's directed. Her looks will keep attention off of any policies that may get made in her name. Too bad they have to wait till she turns 35. ;-)

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» RE: Paris for Prez Posted by: sirios
Beauty is cultural, not essential.
Posted by: mcstewey on Jun 14, 2008 1:18 AM   
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Good article overall, but I disagree with the author's use of the essentialist nature of beauty perspective. Sure, Marilyn Monroe and Kate Moss have similar waist-to-hip ratio (or so they claim), but this is a very narrow and shortsighted cultural and historical view of bodily female beauty. What would happen to this essentialist view if we threw in the Renaissance era's depiction of female beauty? The problem with these essentialist definitions is obvious: the choice of the essence is arbitrary.

It is an interesting and somewhat refreshing question she asks: "what's so great about beauty?" But her use of an essential view on beauty makes her complicit with the beauty industry she claims to oppose.

Stick with the beauty industry's manipulation of everyone's self and body esteem and our self-destructive and limiting sense of what makes women (and men) "attractive." And don't forget to couch all this in the context of consumer capitalism.

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» RE: Beauty is cultural, not essential. Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com
yes, but...
Posted by: art guerrilla on Jun 14, 2008 3:46 AM   
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1. ideas and ideals of beauty (which -after all- is just the 'average' of all facial types) exist before and without ubiquitous, degrading, supercilious (sp?) advertising, our weird celebrity kultur, and the imposition of nearly impossible 'norms' of appearance...
*everyone* should be a supermodel ! ! !

2. however, besides whatever mating advantage, beauty is something we simply enjoy, whether a sunset, a tree, a cat, a flower, a painting, or another nekkid ape... advertising/etc simply -and perversely- takes adavantage of that natural impulse and grossly exaggerates it, but advertising/etc didn't originate that natural impulse...

3. paris hilton herownself (who i despise as a kultural touchstone) has actually said a couple of smart things about her 'beauty': that she isn't 'beautiful' in the classic sense (and she isn't; further, i get the impression this is not the 'normal' 'oh, i hate my eyebrows, i hate my hips, or this or that...' type of bullshit), but that her grooming, her attitude and bearing, etc is what allows her to be portrayed as such by the infotainment industry...

in fact, when it comes to 'real' interpersonal relationships/mating/etc, she is 100% correct: the 'plainer' (exterior) woman who is an outgoing, fun, funny, sexy, teasing, pleasing, approachable nice person is going to be ten times more 'desirable' than the 'perfect' petrified stick propped in the corner on display...
(look, but don't touch !)

4. in short, our corrupted, coopted, creepy korporate kultur has perverted and exaggerated all our values in many ways, but certainly no more so than in the insane fixation on 'beauty', 'sexiness', and general 'coolness' in a manner which precludes virtually anyone but plastic mannequins mouthing meaningless memes from becoming an 'admirable' figure in our debased society...

all part and parcel of making ANY unpleasantness, ANY dissenting view, ANYTHING which 'threatens' the status quo of kapitalist imperialism as being 'ugly', 'undesirable', and 'uncool'...

art guerrilla
aka ann archy

eof

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» RE: yes, but... Posted by: mcstewey
» RE: yes, but... Posted by: Dboy
BIOLOGICAL BALONEY
Posted by: Docent on Jun 14, 2008 4:12 AM   
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Commercialism reigns supreme! Women are still treated like second class citizens - parading around to be inspected and approved of by men like pieces of beef. Beauty, we're told by anthropologists, is biological and women are chosen (subliminaly, or course)by men to produce offspring. The more successful the male, the better choice of females he may get with better looking and superior offspring.

In a civilized society, what has this produced?
Corporations who feed into the "beauty" thing for the corporate bottom line..endless women trying to achieve a fantasy of attraction.

Women are still told they need to be "thiner, younger, have fewer wrinkles, bigger bustlines,
no hair on their legs, beautiful shining hair,
long sexy legs, sparkling white teeth, long lush eyelashes, sensuous pouty lips,smooth flawless skin, and other things too numerous to even mention.

Women will never achieve equality if they keep buying into this image that is totally pervasive in our culture. We still are looked at as sexual objects or if you're over 35, a hag that no one focuses on unless you have some sort of medical ailment.

I supposed one thing women could do is to avoid purchasing products that focus and advertise in this manner. Vance Packard years ago wrote a book "Is your Volkswagon a Sex Symbol" about sex being used in all advertising.

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Thank you
Posted by: packofwolves on Jun 14, 2008 4:36 AM   
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You put my thoughts in words. I'm tired of the constant focus on sex and "beauty." I see the consequences of this no-win struggle to meet these impossible standards that men have chosen for us every day. This impossible standard is harming us emotionally and it is robbing us of enjoying life for what life is. I think it's about time we start looking at things that really matter. Of course, the mentality in this country doesn't move much beyond beauty and sex...for instance, we tried to impeach Clinton because he had sex and pharmaceuticals and yet we let Bush lie, murder, and corrupt/destroy our country and all we do is talk about Hilary and her sex-appeal. Amazing isn't it? Well, pitiful is a better word perhaps.

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» RE: Thank you - correction Posted by: packofwolves
My Criteria for Beauty??
Posted by: drricklippin on Jun 14, 2008 4:58 AM   
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A woman's eyes,values and laughter

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa

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» RE: My Criteria for Beauty?? Posted by: chomsky
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» RE: My Criteria for Beauty?? Posted by: bornxeyed
What's so great about beauty?
Posted by: writer7 on Jun 14, 2008 5:13 AM   
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Because when you don't have it, no one notices you or if they do, treat you like an annoyance. Men in particular do this but some women do also. It seems that no one is really interested in getting to know anyone these days - takes too much time.

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» RE: What's so great about beauty? Posted by: MartianBachelor
» RE: What's so great about beauty? Posted by: helenwheels
» uhmmmm... not really Posted by: AlineSE
Other Ways Beauty may be Valuable
Posted by: Xynyx on Jun 14, 2008 5:16 AM   
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Sorry, I am inclined to disagree with some of the author's statements (which, frankly, do sound a bit bitter).

I recall seeing study results (summaries...) that indicated very plainly that the more attractive a person is, in virtually any job, the more likely he OR she is to be promoted, make more money, get offered better opportunities, etc.

I also recall that there was a greater disadvantage for men who were either ugly or fat (or both, I can't honestly remember) than for women.

Beauty can also smooth the way in many situations... as can a smile, a good attitude, true warmth and friendliness, etc. Beauty may trigger different areas of the brain for such favorable responses... but you can't deny that it works.

I remember hearing, many years ago, that average-looking women find themselves being approached by men more than "more beautiful" women do... and that the reason for that difference was that men are frequently intimidated by more attractive women. I can only guess that this is also the case for others in situations involving other sexual orientations... I haven't really sought to explore it so much, myself.

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» RE: Other Ways Beauty may be Valuable Posted by: lmont56@aol.com
otto
Posted by: otto on Jun 14, 2008 5:15 AM   
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Right on! And how often do persons seem much more attractive after one gets to know them beyond looks? and how often does some "beauty" turn one off when that person is seen as totally selfish or having no intelligence? The relativity of physical berauty mentioned in comments is important too.

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» RE: otto Posted by: bornxeyed
The Idea Of Beauty And The Construct Of Race
Posted by: desidid on Jun 14, 2008 5:20 AM   
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make this whole discussion specious. Look at any Top 10,20,100 list, they are an odes to the European standard of beauty.

In fact the recent story of the New York legislator who is trying to get 1000 visas for Eastern European models, is a perfect example of the importance that many Whites place on their values above all others.

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Well Said
Posted by: beautifulady2003 on Jun 14, 2008 6:00 AM   
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I think this is a great piece, but it fails to mention one essential element, and that is the still-pervasive sense of powerlessness that may be in the female subconsciousness, that marketers exploit so succesfully. The powerlessness, of course, is from historical oppression and being second class citizens. By not having true equality in all aspects of life, including social, economic and cultural, women turn to what they are told they do have some control over - their looks. Hence the huge industry of exploiting women's insecurity and need to validate themselves. Cosmetics, clothes, diets, exercise videos and health clubs, plastic surgery, all are ways to strive for an unobtainable goal, to fit into a very narrow definition of what is "beautiful." To please others, not to please oneself. To remain always in a state of feeling inadequate, insecure, and powerless.

The requirement that women be beautiful is also very pervasive; I agree with the author's comments about ugly men being completely blind to the irony of their demand that women should measure up to their standard of attractiveness. For proof, look at a few matrimonial websites, check out the photos of the middle-aged men who are advertising for mates (so many are fat, bald, in bad health, unemployed), and then read what they say they're looking for: women who are young, beautiful and "slim." No real women in their age group, no real and flawed human beings, only Barbie will do.

As for the purpose of beauty, I am still appalled by what I was told by a co-worker 25 years ago when, as a young housewife, I began working in my first job as a secretary. I was informed by the co-worker, who was a male, that "the boss" told him he hired me because I had "great legs." I had assumed that my skills, my interview and my 98 percent score on my civil service exam were what got me the job.

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Darwin goes for BOTH sexes, hon
Posted by: solacel on Jun 14, 2008 6:40 AM   
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What the writer seems to be implying is that modern society worships beauty because only males are subject to the drives delineated in Darwin's theories. This being a male-dominated society (we *could* do something about that, IMO), we are told that Mad-Ave is perpetuating a form of terrorism on females to be beautiful to attract men. Bear in mind, first of all, that most mammals are primarily heterosexual. Just as males seek the most 'fertile' females, females are drawn to the 'strongest' male, whatever that may mean to her. So it isn't a sexist male plot that drives advertising, IMO. It's the human species' innate need to procreate. Men are subjected to similar pressures; as the mother of a son, I defy you to tell me differently. The pain and harassment he endured in high school were simply awful, because he did not fit the super-jock, popped-collar model of 'cool' revered by his peers.
I'm not defending the practice or worship of beauty - I don't need to, because humans have been doing this long before temples were built to Inanna or Aphrodite. Get over it, hon. We're human mammals, and our biology drives ALL of us.

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What we teach versus what the media trys to teach
Posted by: the baron on Jun 14, 2008 6:45 AM   
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Of course there will always be sheep to the media, yet I doubt that the standard at which the media tries to tell us what beauty is all that significant. Given the insecurity girls are fed and then further fed as they hit puberty is the main issue. Because since they are developing (mentally, since young minds are impressionable)when they see the disgusting advertising they will see that as what they need to be, not what they posses and can flaunt.

As men we can be pigs. Same reasons; we're taught to be at a young age. But fortunately at least most of us (friends that I have at least)find this excessive thinness revolting.

It's up to us of breeding age who choose to have offspring how to teach said offspring and somehow inform them of the difference of what is a rational acceptance of beauty and the unrealistic crap on TV.

Further on teaching, "Not surprising really, given that 16 per cent of American high school science teachers are creationists who promote religious superstition in their classes and dismiss Darwin.".

My only issue with the above is 16% of "what" schools? All, public. private, church run? If all then well yeah that's fine, because what would you expect from the church? If public then yeah that is a major problem.

I myself attended parochial school, then public. I have experienced first hand the hypocrisy, and fantasy of "how things are" that the church teaches when put into a educational setting. But one thing being an atheist has taught me, so what? This is a democracy, people are free to teach what they want so long as it does not disrupt the over all peace of the populace.

Some guy/gal dissing Darwin, and teaching creationism is not a problem. "Ignorance is not bliss. No, ignorance is fatal." So it actually cleans up the gene pool. Someone walking up to you telling you you'll burn in hell for not accepting Jesus is a problem, because they are intentionally causing dissent. Dissent that solely benefits them, not dissent that is uncomfortable to the people because they are being shaken out of apathy.

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Most beauty is about being children
Posted by: PaulK on Jun 14, 2008 7:00 AM   
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"as well as women to render themselves as hairless as children. (I shudder to think of the implications of that particular fetish.)"

Blond hair is what numbers of children have. It grows in darker around teenage years.

No wrinkles is what children have. Half of plastic surgery and all of the botulism industry is about getting rid of wrinkles. The perfect face has no blemishes which might be mistaken for wrinkles.

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Beautiful vs Attractive
Posted by: 24&somuchmore on Jun 14, 2008 7:27 AM   
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There's also a difference between seeing pure simple beauty, and attraction.

I can see and appreciate beauty, in women or in children, or elsewhere for that matter. Within certain variants of culture, like the article says, we all tend towards the same ideas of beauty, such as health, fertility, etc...

But whether I find something attractive or not is based on psychological factors and also, I believe, on personal experience and maybe even wisdom as I get older.

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how bitter?
Posted by: cemdev on Jun 14, 2008 7:30 AM   
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I've got 5 bucks on the author of this article being rather unattractive herself...

looks are what you make of them. yes, they can help you with the opposite sex, and yes they help with first impressions, and they can even help you in your job and other aspects of your life. But they don't replace personal qualities such as being someone others want to be around, intelligence and value.

Stop focussing on it and move on. You just sound bitter.

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» RE: how bitter? Posted by: VZEQICVA
Women appealing to men?
Posted by: mtnprivy on Jun 14, 2008 7:44 AM   
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I have learned long ago that women are in a prison of their own making. From fashion obsessions to hair color, to excessive weight loss efforts, women guage thier appearance by what OTHER WOMEN THINK. Maybe there are times when this amounts to other women who think that men like so and so, MAYBE.
When was the last time that a woman ever even asked a man what he liked? All of the women that I know make up their own minds what beauty is, and if a man were to venture an opinion on the issue, then it is NON of YOUR BUSINESS or even GO TO HELL or something similar. I try to remind my wife of the many nasty chemicals in her blood from her hair color, and her WBC count issues, and her many other health issues, and is it really worth it for a bit of vanity, but my words mean nothing to her.
Your argument went down the tubes when you swallowed hook line and sinker the whole darwin rules idea, and dismissed the value of all life that does not revolve around making babies. That whole idea degrades all humans, and attempts to amputate free will from us. I ain't buying what you're selling.
What ever happened to "use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without" ? People these days have more dollars than sense. Is that men's fault?

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Real beauty is still inner beauty
Posted by: nfamous on Jun 14, 2008 7:55 AM   
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Beauty's only skin deep but ugly's to the bone. I don't think porn and beauty are really that related to each other honestly. Porn is about fantasy. The women have on tons of makeup, fake nails, fake breasts, stiletto heels, stockings, etc. That's not beauty. It's an illusion of beauty and it sells. I wonder how much money the makeup industry makes each year. It's probably right up there with the clothing industry.

Women are vulnerable consumers and corporations know that. They play on women's insecurities from living in a society that overvalues physical appearance. We cannot escape because hot chicks are everywhere. It is almost impossible to not objectify women when you are bombarded 24/7 by images that condone it and normalize it. Women even do it to themselves. It's not even about sexism anymore. It's all about money and corporatism.

Obviously a woman that feels she has to present a false image of herself to trick a man into a relationship has self-esteem issues. I won't lie and say that porn sluts don't turn me on. That's what they're supposed to do but it's not like men would really want to hang out with them after sex. Beauty is inside a person. By defining it as external we play right into the game that it IS what we see on tv and in porn. It isn't.

The best sex is when you're attracted to someone's mind but unless you have one that you use yourself you have no way of appreciating it. That is where most Americans find themselves, unable to appreciate real beauty, inner beauty, because we have been dumbed-down by the media to be docile, compliant consumers of everything they want us to buy.

This is not to say that outer beauty is useless. It is part of human nature to be attracted to certain aspects of another's person body but when it becomes the only thing you know your society is in serious decline. The choice today appears to be between normal women with self-esteem who use their brains but are angry at men for all of their problems or airhead, mindless slut-wannabees who could care less about the damage they're doing to women, themselves and society. Just take me to the mall and shut up!!!

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Right on!
Posted by: BST on Jun 14, 2008 7:58 AM   
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I'm on my feet now, applauding wildly in my home office.

Thanks for the truth, the laughs, the barbs and saying what I keep thinking but would not have been able to so capably articulate.

You're right on all counts.

This from a Hillary Clinton age-peer of resounding everyday looks, wrinkles on one cheek (face) from a 20-something reckless day at the beach, teeth that subtlely appear to be heading out in different directions on errands, and a height above what would make most men feel like a Neanderthal protector.

(I'd be the one asked to check downstairs were there to be the rustlings of a burglar).

My adult daughter, on the other hand, is a throwback to Queen Nefertiti -- profoundly gorgeous, everything absolutely proportioned, petite with the de rigueur waist-to-hip proportion, knock-out, come-hither plumb-lined eyes, and chompers her mother sprung for at the orthodontist two decades ago. Perfection.

When she introduces me as her mother I cringe (my issue, yes) wondering for how long after the viewer will be scratching his or her noggin, trying to parse the news ... Adoption, maybe?

Nope. Just a joke by the universe.

Ask if I'd trade places. Go on, ask... Yes, yes, yes! I believe beauty gets you places mediocrity sometimes will just not. Not ever.

But I soldier on, eschewing the tease of Botox, tooth paste-ons, butt reduction because somehow I would just rather keep trying until I die to coach myself in new ways to love myself despite the weird card dealt and because as a working girl who has the dough?.

People say I have a great sense of humor.

Trust me(and/or pitty my shallowness, poor pathetic whining wench), I'd rather be dissing wolf whistles. Even Oprah, supposedly that paragon of human rights and justice, loves those makeover shows wherein some hapless dowdy is dragged off the street, hauled into various sterile offices for myriad reconstructions from boobs to hair to nose to eyes, then introduced as new, beautiful and (ahhhhh...) acceptable to wander in public.

This all might matter less, mind you, if I were not on the mate market, feeling less like a participant than like some uptight school marm in sensible shoes who's been anointed to blow the change-seat whistle at the speed dating party.

I'd like to be a more mature woman about it all. I'm not, fighting decades of conditioning. I'm a healthy weight now but a few years ago under the crushing stress of several awful life events, I piled it on and, while crossing a city street one evening, was assailed by a male driver who blasted his horn, impatient with my plodding progress, and yelled -- in front of a crowded coffeeshop -"hurry up you fat bitch."

I did console myself with the thought that, yes, I have a wonderful sense of humor. As you might imagine, I laughed all the way home.

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Gee, an essay about beauty . . .
Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Jun 14, 2008 8:00 AM   
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This is important. I wonder why I didn't bother to read it.

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grindermonkey
Posted by: grindermonkey on Jun 14, 2008 8:05 AM   
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In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

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penis obsession
Posted by: sfischo on Jun 14, 2008 8:12 AM   
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Why is this woman so obsessed with men's penises, men masturbating, and men slobbering over women? Research shows that the number of synonyms of or references to an object (think camel or snow) correlates with how important the object is to a culture, or a person. Hmmm...

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» RE: penis obsession Posted by: papibear
Solution: The OFF button
Posted by: janvdb on Jun 14, 2008 8:13 AM   
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I know the writer is complaining about the effect on the general culture and we don't have the ability to hit the public's OFF button (lacking public-money funded TV like most European countries) so I accept the criticism that just insulating oneself from the deluge of crap doesn't address the larger problem -- but just because that's all we can do doesn't mean we shouldn't DO IT.

SHUT IT OFF!!

A lot more people live without TV than most people believe, since most people get their information about others' lives from, guess, TV.

That heroin of the masses.

I live in an area where a good 25% of the population lives without TV, some because they are Mennonite and "other rightwing" religious outsider cultists, some because they are hut-dwelling, no-electricity hippies and then there are many people like me, who, well, are just too busy building things, eating fresh and organic, pulling weeds, irrigating, getting into local political fights and posting jabbers on Alternet to have time for TVs river of corn syrup nonsense.

It's just life and it shoves out the flickering screen.

Conversations in this remote corner of Colorado do not turn to the last dose of "King of Queens" because no one knows what the hell you are talking about.

There are many such places. Mainstream culture is NOT everywhere.

Jan VanDenBerg

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» RE: So true! Posted by: Plexius2
This is BS
Posted by: Tombo on Jun 14, 2008 8:33 AM   
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The author equates men who appreciate a slutty looking woman as sexist? WTF is that about? So I am a sexist if I get turned on by a woman now? And she assumes that just because a woman dresses or acts in a way she doesn't approve of that they think of themselves as only worthy if they can hook a man? There are some serious issues here but I think the author should begin by analyzing herself. Just because a man appreciates a woman's appearance doesn't mean that is the only thing they value. I love everything about my wife (well most things) but I wouldn't have given her a second thought when I first met her if I hadn't been turned on by her physically. That' just biological.

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» RE: This is BS Posted by: papibear
Can I get paid for this?
Posted by: MartianBachelor on Jun 14, 2008 8:53 AM   
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The question is why does Dove insist that every woman, of every age, in every walk of life, be beautiful?

Because Dove is selling to women, and plenty of women fall for such pandering. They don't have the same beauty detectors that men do, so women think silly things like "it's all subjective" and "beauty is (merely) in the eye of the beholder", or "beauty is culturally constructed". Thus they buy the BS that any woman, including themselves, can be beautiful -- if only they get with the Dove program (or so Dove hopes).


Now why, exactly, would any woman want to appeal to all men?

To increase the number of men from which she has to choose, thus increasing the likelihood of getting all she wants in a man. When women make only 75% of what men make yet account for 80% of all discretionary consumer spending, it's clear that (some) men are extremely valuable to the women who get them. For example, a wealthy man is a relatively easy shortcut to riches for the woman who can get him. She can literally make millions for a fashion investment of just hundreds or thousands. Of course men's response in this arms race is to be wary of high maintenance gold-diggers, or to be "intimidated by beautiful women" because they know they can't really compete with the other men who she will attract.


Who made appealing-to-men the ultimate measure of a woman's worth?

Women did. Men seem to be much more able to distinguish their value as people (and women's too) from their value on the mating market, but lots of women seem to struggle with making this distinction. There's much more to this, but, hey, it's not like I'm getting paid by the word.


Why is she -- and by extension all women -- taught to have no sense of her worth beyond her value in the eyes of men?

I'll just quote Barbara Ehrenreich: "The whole media world is dominated by upper-middle-class women."
(aka, women who for the most part "married well"; it's like the rich asking "why can't they - the poor - just do like I did?")


Since they've raised the looks-driven aspect of the mating imperative, do these guys even own mirrors?

The author is mistakenly thinking beauty works the same for men as it does for women, and that a man's looks matter a whole lot. They don't. "These guys" have high status, are relatively powerful, ooze self-confidence, make lots of money, and therefore are plenty attractive to lots of women, I'd guess. The only physical attribute of men which women consistently pay attention to is height.


But what's the reason for rating a presidential candidate on the hotness scale?

Well, since women got the vote the winner in every presidential election has been the taller male -- up `til 2000 and 2004, that is. But the discrepancy in those two elections is just one more vital piece of evidence that both those elections were stolen.

Regardless of anything of any real substance, it's pretty easy to predict that Obama beats McCain in 2008, if the election is fair. Tossing a woman into the mix would have made for an interesting experiment in comparing apples and oranges, but in tough times women will tend to vote for the security a tall self-confident male like Obama symbolizes -- hence his victory over Clinton in the primaries. If she'd been a dozen years younger, or if Obama had only been 5'5", it likely would have gone the other way. The only solution here is to restrict voting from the masses and let only the truly enlightened/informed/whatever decide who's Prez, which I don't think is gonna happen.

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» RE: Can I get paid for this? Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: Can I get paid for this? Posted by: bornxeyed
Interesting
Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Jun 14, 2008 9:00 AM   
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The thing about beauty is, it is good while it last but sooner or later, shes gonna get old like everyone else, unless of course you are Cher! LOL

JT
Ultimate Anonymity

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Great article
Posted by: helenwheels on Jun 14, 2008 9:02 AM   
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Really well-said. It voices much of what I think as well. I feel bad for the young women of today. I am 44 and I grew up with some of the "be beautiful" stigma, but today it's over the top. There sky-high number of people who get plastic surgery and the record number of YOUNG people who have these operations pretty much tells you that many feel that their looks are the most important thing in their lives.

I am fortunate enough to be a good-looking person, but as I get older I truly appreciate the fact that my focus was not always exclusively on my looks, so as I age, I care little about getting wrinkles & the like and focus more on being healthy and doing things that I love to do. And, I honestly feel relief that being ogled & whistled at is decreasing.

Young women today get 24/7 messages that they should be not only beautiful, but sexy and perfect... just for men. And I also truly believe that the fashion of the day reflects a society; have you ever seen so many women walking around looking like hookers? It's really very sad to me.

I'm glad that at least, even though I grew up wanting to look like Farrah Fawcett, the climate was such that it was cool for girls to be rough-and-tumble, and wear jeans, just like the boys, whereas that seems to be a no-no among today's high school girls, who are already dressed as if they're about ready to do a pole dance.

I applaud any young woman in this day and age who doesn't fall for this bullshit, that their lives' purpose is to be wank material or eye candy for men. It is indeed hard with the messages bombarding them at every turn.

OH and I detected a few typos in the article, next time, a proof-read?

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