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Reproductive Justice and Gender

Thank You, Hillary, for Opening the Door for Other Women

By Katha Pollitt, The Nation. Posted June 6, 2008.


Some think that Hillary Clinton's loss is a set-back to female politicians. They're wrong.
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Hillary Clinton came this close. In fact, as of this writing, she hasn't formally conceded. Nobody really understands why: why she stuck it out this long, given the math, and why she gave such a grudging, graceless version of her stump speech after the South Dakota primary clinched the nomination for Barack Obama. Suggestions I've heard are not very flattering: she hopes to whittle down her multimillion-dollar campaign debt with donations from the deluded die-hards screaming Denver! Denver! She wants the number-two spot. She's a crazy narcissistic rhymes-with-rich. Maybe she's just ticked off because pundits have been trying to hustle her off the stage ever since her third-place finish in the Iowa caucuses.

Some think Clinton's loss, and the psychodrama surrounding it, will set women back. I think they're wrong. Love her or loathe her, the big story here is Americans saw a woman who was a serious, popular, major-party candidate. Clinton showed herself to be tough, tireless, supersmart and definitely ready to lead on that famous Day One. She raised a ton of money and won 17.5 million votes from men and women. She was exciting, too: she and Obama galvanized voters for six long months -- in some early contests, each of them racked up more votes than all the Republican candidates combined. Once the bitterness of the present moment has faded, that's what people will remember. Because she normalized the concept of a woman running for President, she made it easier for women to run for every office, including the White House. That is one reason women and men of every party and candidate preference, and every ethnicity too, owe Hillary Clinton a standing ovation, even if they can't stand her.

There's another reason to be grateful to her. Clinton's run has put to rest the myth that we are living in a postfeminist wonderland in which all that stands in women's path is women themselves. Like a magnet -- was it the pantsuit? -- Clinton drew out the nation's misogyny in all its jeering glory and put it where we could all get a good look at it. "Iron my shirt" hecklers. Wearers of Bros Over Hos T-shirts and buyers of Hillary nutcrackers. Fans of the Citizens United Not Timid website (check the acronym). Vats of sexist nastiness splattered across the Comments section of hundreds of blogs and websites. It's as if every obscene phone caller and every exhibitionist in America decided to become an amateur political pundit.

As for the real pundits, thank you, Hillary, for showing us the snickering belittling of women that passes for media commentary: Rush Limbaugh, no Adonis, wondering out loud if "the country" was ready to watch a woman age in the White House; Chris Matthews, Don Imus and Tucker Carlson with their litany of insults -- she-devil, Satan, witch, Antichrist, Lady Macbeth. NPR's Ken Rudin compared her to Glenn Close's indestructible bunny-boiler character in Fatal Attraction. And surely a special prize goes to Keith Olbermann for his indignant, hysterical bombast after Clinton's ham-handed reference to RFK's assassination. Rarely has men's terror of women with more brains than a Bratz doll been on such public display. And, of course, men were what we mostly saw up there on the small screen, yakking and blathering away.


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wrensis
Posted by: wrensis on Jun 6, 2008 7:15 AM   
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You really wrote this as an encouragement?

James Thurber had it right. "If the enemy don't get you, your own folks will"

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» RE: wrensis Posted by: gailkate
Sen. Clinton opening the door
Posted by: crat3 on Jun 6, 2008 7:27 AM   
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Sen. Clinton did not have a "loss." Obama did not clinch the nomination fair and square. De facto Obama surrogate House Speaker Nancy Pelosi rigged the nomination for Obama.

Sen. Clinton's supporters in the swing states of Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida and Michigan should work for Obama's defeat and vote for McCain. Obama must win atleast three of these states in November. I will volunteer and vote for McCain in a swing state.

Sen. Clinton won the primaries for all four swing states. She was the best qualified and the strongest presidential candidate to win the general election in a landslide victory hands down. This was trumped by Pelosi's rigged nomination for Obama.

The key for Obama to win in November lies with Sen. Clinton's supporters in the swing states; for Obama, that key is lost for 2008 but it opens the door to 2012 for Sen. Clinton.

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» McCain?!! Posted by: Sparks56
» RE: Sen. Clinton opening the door Posted by: radiomorning
» Anything but a black man. Posted by: WhuThe?!?
» RE: Anything but a black man. Posted by: Cityzen Jane
» Get back to reality, honey Posted by: FlowerGirl
SHE LOST BUT SHE'S NOT A LOSER
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jun 6, 2008 8:12 AM   
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Most people who bashed Clinton had no real reason. Just a general non-sepcific loathing. Maureen Dowd tops the list. If we can take all this venom and direct it to McCain we can have a Democrat in the White House. Obama won't send her out to pasture because she's valuable to him (like it or not). It's important to stop the bickering and get with a program that works even if it includes Clinton. McCain can't be allowed to run the country. Thanks,ANNA

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Radical Feminism stinks of fascism
Posted by: saltoafronteira on Jun 6, 2008 8:42 AM   
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The world is plenty of good examples of Great Stateswomen and also bad stateswomen, and there is no need to cite them all.
None of the good ones needed this kind of dubious backing.
A person must be judged by what he/she is worth and not by her/his gender.
Hillary Clinton showed to be a low standart politician, in the worse of his fellow treacherous labourist friend Tony Blair's style, or, in another line of thought, margaret tatcher's.
That's to say: evil and stupidity know no gender, as Hillary Clinton or this article clearly show.
Let's hope that Hillary's example doesnt jeopardize a future candidacy by another woman for the next decades.
I, myself, would never vote for a rabid feminist to govern me, tough I would love to have someone like a non-Zionist Golda Meir as my President.

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Time Warp
Posted by: bessie on Jun 7, 2008 1:38 AM   
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There was nothing about Hillary's campaign that was uplifting. As time went by, actually, it got quite nasty. Senator Obama's campaign demonstrated the opposite. The real difference was that Hillary already was caught up in a time warp. If she was a true feminist, then, her own personal history begged that truth to its core. It wasn't helpful to watch Geraldine Ferrario make her racist comments. But society has already moved on- there are many women minus the bad decisions & choices ready to assume positions of power. And it has nothing to do with Hillary. It's more a debt to Eleanor Roosevelt. Did Eleanor ever make a comment about white hardworking Americans? I think not. Did Eleanor ever make a comment about obliterating another nation? I think not. Hillary's time warp is based on her own isolation & lack of faith. Truth be said, Hillary, an odd duck, didn't open any doors or close them - society moves on.

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» RE: Time Warp Posted by: pandalix
» RE: Time Warp Posted by: weenie
You got it right
Posted by: Josei on Jun 7, 2008 4:35 AM   
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Kucinich would have been the first pick, but after the endless misogynistic attacks I became a Sen. Clinton endorser. It is just like it always has been, a man, even a black, needs to be 1/2 as qualified as the woman he displaces.
We have not come a long way, baby. It is very depressing to see.
I personally cannot picture myself voting for Barack. What makes him qualified to lead anyone? His flower, wordy speeches about nothing? His lack of support for universal health care?
If he is the best the dems can come up with then we deserve to lose again.

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» Obama Posted by: jillbooks
» Just how did Obama "replace" Clinton? Posted by: hurricane hugo
» RE: You got it right Posted by: fred_53_99
I will Not Pat her on the Back, I'd rather Kick her in the Ass!
Posted by: Purple Girl on Jun 7, 2008 4:48 AM   
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How Dare she use the woman's movement as a Political Tool. She maligned our cause the same way the 'Religious Right' highjacked the Faithfuls.
Please She was not only afforded the Red Carpet from the Start, the door was Opened, her chair Pulled out and her damn ass Kissed as she sat down. She wouldn't know 'Sexism' if if it Bitch slapped Her.the only thing she knows is the 'clinton hate'.
I not only voted for Bill 2x's I WAS an avid Defender of both throughout the '90's. I have since Recovered from that delusional 'fever'.
She not only anointed herself 'heir Apparent' so did evey media outlet and Pundit scrambling for Ratings.
SExism is when You can NOT get a Seat at the table BECAUSE you Do Not have a Penis. She not only got a Seat- she got the Head of the Table!She was Crowned Queenie before the first Ballot was cast. the collusion was obvious- ignoring (burying) her voting Record, the lack of Oversight of the Armed Services and then EVERY Lie that came out of her mouth on the campaign trail.Down Playing "obliterate Iran' ( a male candidate would have took heat for that - WE True Blue Dems abhor - and Know - Provaction and Proclaimation of such 'hawkish' rhetoric. We see it as only adding fuel to a out of control fire). Then granting her the benefit of the doubt ( in fact making excuse for her) in regards to RFK's assasination and How THAT contributed to her mindset about staying in the Race. any Male Candidate would have been Verbally abused for such a statement- esp after stating it 3 TIMES!!
I have Worked Too hard to earn My place at the 'big Boy Tables' to excuse such an undermining of the stuggle and effort women have made for the last Century to merely hand it off as a Political Tool.
In fact as a Mother I am pissed she has set the example that if my daughter wants something -she need not work for it, Lie, mainpulate and change the rules to get Your way (right out of the disgusting Neo CON handbook Too- Wrong for Any Person). Equlaity not only affords EVERYONE and Equal chance- it also holds those responsible for their actions; to deny such necessary efforts required to EARN Respect is a elitist attitude.No Free Passes, No Free Ride!
She Spit in the face of the Suffragists, laughed at the Libbers and set a Deplorable example for Our Daughters!Funny How Mosley Braun refrain from playing Both the Race C & Sexism card when she was a victim of both!
Please Hillary has No idea what it takes to go Toe to Toe with a Blue collar male.that Requires 'Ovarian fortitude'. And those of US who have taken on that challenge, and Proved ourselves, have earned the respect, and maybe a lil' admiration, from our fellow Co workers. Any Woman who thinks Hillary did US a Favor, needs to review what Truely is the Requirements for Real Equality.NEVER lower my 'Bar' of ability or Reposniblity it's patronizing. I am NOT a Feminist, I am A Libber!Open Level Playing field For ALL otherwise the game is Rigged.

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feminist
Posted by: dbarkman on Jun 7, 2008 5:05 AM   
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I don't agree that Sen. Obama respects women. Note his condescending "You're likeable enough, Hillary." Note his addressing a female reporter as "sweetie." Note his "taking his wife out on a date." Why do men have to "take" women, if they're equal; they can simply have a date or go on a date. Why has he ignored the accomplishments of his mother who raised him and sacrificed for him, while lionizing his father, who barely knew him? He's as subtly misogynistic as most men who identify themselves as sensitive and caring. He'll reveal his sexism further as the campaign continues. We need to educate and challenge him!

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» RE: feminist Posted by: weenie
» RE: feminist Posted by: radiomorning
Thanks, Hillary.
Posted by: Sparks56 on Jun 7, 2008 5:24 AM   
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Obama supporters can also thank Hillary for toughening up Obama by giving him the first real political fight of his life. His election to Senate was a cake-walk against a non-entity. ("Ya oughta thank me, before I die, for the gravel in yer guts, and the spit-in-yer-eye." Johnnie Cash, "A Boy Named Sue")
Whatever the Clinton campaign threw at him is jelly beans compared to what the Republican swiftboat/character assasination squad has in store. Obama will also do well not to repeat Al Gore's mistake of keeping the Clinton's at arm's length, as he jumps into the snake pit of Washington politics.

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Yawn
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jun 7, 2008 5:29 AM   
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I never really saw her as the evil bitch that the wing-nuts and the US media have been talking about, which might have made her interesting and exciting. Nor did I see the "tough, tireless, supersmart and definitely ready to lead" person that her supporters saw when they begged her to stay in the race and spend more of their money losing.

In contrast, I saw her as rather boring, desperate, pathetic, and subservient, willing to tell the lamest lies and appease the ugliest crowds. Just another Washington-manufactured Democrat with no solid opinions or ideas of her own, talking in lame cliches, droning on about her "experience"...Considering all of that, I find all the excitement over the fact that she's female a bit desperate and pathetic.

Wake me up when we have a female candidate who really is an angry, evil bunny-boiler who reminds wing-nuts of their ex-wife.

The only milestone here is that The Nation published an article less than 10 pages long.

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Pig Headed, Fact Challenged, Arrogant & Proud Of It
Posted by: NoPCZone on Jun 7, 2008 8:23 AM   
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Some think that Hillary Clinton's conduct is a set-back to female politicians. They're right.
Some think that Hillary Clinton's conduct is a set-back to politicians. They're right.
Some think that Hillary Clinton's conduct is a set-back to females. They're right.
Some think that Hillary Clinton's conduct is a set-back to Democrats. They're right.
Some think that Hillary Clinton's conduct is a set-back to democracy. They're right.
Some think that Hillary Clinton's conduct is a set-back to humanity. They're right.

Since when is pandering, coat-tail riding, shameless arrogance and selling out been anything to celebrate, honor or support?

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The Photo Of Hillary
Posted by: bc430 on Jun 7, 2008 8:59 AM   
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for this article selected for this article says it all. The arrogance of White racist entitlement and the audacious ambivalence of the reality of the larger 'otherness' of all aspects of the United States of America.

I struggle to keep from calling this a stupid article. Radical so called feminists fail to realize their immense insult to a multicultral coalition of hard working Americans living and dead who strove against the same insensitivity that Hillary and her supporters have stood up to be Standard Bearers for in 2008. The insane insistance on and nagging, "it's a woman's turn to be president" is at best childish. It in no way represents True Feminism and acknowledging the worth of women and widening the scope of respect for the female gender.

Call for Honesty. If you know in your heart that you do not want to vote for president Obama because beyond his control his biological father is an African Human Being for the sake of your sanity SAY SO. If you are not ready to come out of the closet just yet - stay in a while longer. We love you now and we will love you when you free yourself from the limitations of American White racism. Hillary, Bill and other afflicted American citizens can be healed and delivered. White racism is like cancer;it varies in kind and most cancers respond to treatment best when detected early. However, cancers must be discovered before they can be treated.

Hillary proved thoroughly that she does not have what it takes to be POTUS of America.

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» RE: The Photo Of Hillary Posted by: hagwind
She proved to the world...
Posted by: Moira61 on Jun 7, 2008 9:10 AM   
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that women politicians can be just as crooked, unethical, divisive, arrogant and downright sleazy as male politicians. I'm happy that she lost, she's repulsive.

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One Reality versus conjoined Realities
Posted by: ray burchard on Jun 7, 2008 11:07 AM   
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When mankind emerged on earth the rules for survival were already established, dog eat dog and only the strong survive. Therefore man’s predominance of testosterone gave him the size, strength and aggression which would then relegated him to address the physicality’s of his survival, (those things man can change and create the technology to address those things he can’t change). This biological, quadratic, matrix of antithetical duality [(testosterone/estrogen) + (estrogen/testosterone)] would then also relegate women to the subordinate roles of care giving and support. Again it must be acknowledged, that these roles of dominance/subordinate are temporal and dictated by necessity.

Then as the passage of time required for evolution (change) and allows mankind the “time” to create his new world order where the predominate factors pertaining to mankind’s survival are now; man’s own aggression with its associated greed and thereby the damage his aggression and greed has caused his host and a coparcenary of his actions, mother earth, in her role of support.

Remember she, “mother earth”, just like women hood, can reverse these roles and thereby become the aggressor and dominate through climate and/or polarity reversal etc… all while maintaining her innate identity as the giver of necessity (caregiver). Antithetical Duality.

Now its been said that Obama is acceptable to the American majority because his persona is an extension of the white male. While Hillary’s persona as an emulation of the same, white male, is then unacceptable. It is then my assertion that the problem is, one is a more simpatico (harmonious) relationship created by a biased culture, while the other is an aberration created by a biased culture.

I agree, at this juncture in time the job specifications as America’s president, home of “We the People”, is in dire need of diversity, as in Obama. Then too, the “time” is also right for a women president. But does that diversity mean the aberration of a gender’s mindset or possibly the leadership provided by the caregiver mentality of a women like Pakistan’s assassinated opposition leader Benazir Bhutto.

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And yet...
Posted by: srqwolf on Jun 7, 2008 11:41 AM   
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Well, yes Hillary has finally endorsed Obama - but only after a pile-on by some of the most influential people in the Democratic party (her congressional backers) forced her to.

In the absence of that pressure, I believe that Rachel Maddow had it right when she predicted that Hillary would take the fight all the way to the convention. And, if the MSM had gone along, I think that she would have done just that.

With all due respect, I think that Katha has been stubbornly wrong headed on the subject of Hillary in the presidential race from the get-go.

I realise that as a feminist she must regard these issues from that perspective, and that she has a political responsibility to call people out for their sexism - intentional or not. And, there certainly has been a good deal of not-so-latent misogyny on display this year. I'm perfectly happy to call out such people myself, as I have done recently on my infrequently updated blog: http://usfbear.wordpress.com/

Nevertheless, the fact that there still is sexism in the corporate media, or on the troglodyte right does not suddenly transform Hillary into a candidate that progressives can or should support. She and Bill have already shown us what they're made of and where their priorities lie.

The question remains: will she really work hard for Obama, or simply pay lip-service stand by as he is politically mugged by the swiftboaters, the gwotniks and the neocon-symps in the media? As for her run being historic - that, of course, is technically true. But isn't it sad that the first woman ever to come this close to breaking that barrier had to be a neo-liberal sellout like Hillary?

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The Clinton Diaspora
Posted by: binxwalker on Jun 7, 2008 1:02 PM   
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Not being a supporter of either Barack Obama or HRC, I have been amazed at the venom that has issued from hardcore HRC supporters. They are completely self-absorbed, petty and irrational in their comments. Since it became clear that HRC had lost, threats of abandoning the Democratic Party and voting for McBush have risen to a level of hysteria that is hard to understand unless one takes race into consideration. Its time to call their responses what they are - anger that a black man has beaten them to their "American Dream." Even more infuriating to them is that he is himself a far more fitting emblem of that "dream."

Their threats only reveal the shallowness of their own political beliefs. They care little for the "Democratic Process" that they all seem to be so concerned about now that their candidate has lost as they are now threatening to look for other candidates and other parties to support in the upcoming general election. I say let them go and wander in the wilderness to their last days, gnawing on their bitterness and self-pity, taking their vengeance out on the small animals that cross their path. There is something fundamentally wrong with a person who can justify supporting any Republican candidate for President in 2008 after what has happened in this country for the last 8 years.

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» RE: The Clinton Diaspora Posted by: Nebris
I agree with most of what you've said, but...
Posted by: activist on Jun 7, 2008 1:34 PM   
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You shouldn't include Keith Olbermann in your list of pundits who unfairly attacked Clinton. His commentary was strongly worded, but very fair. In particular, there was nothing in his condemnation that could have been considered sexist.

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Now it's time for Barack to reach out to women
Posted by: mildlyamused on Jun 7, 2008 4:29 PM   
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Forget about Hillary asking her supporters to fight for Barack-which she did today. Frankly, I'm not sure I'm quite ready.

Oh, I'll vote for him--the prospect of McCain choosing the next Supreme Court justice gives me the chills. But I won't vote with any degree of enthusiasm and I doubt I'll be making any monetary contributions to his campaign or the Democratic party.

After the rampant sexism brought to the surface in the primary campaign, it would behoove Barack to reach out to Hillary's women suporters in a substantive way if he wants more than their lukewarm support.

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I wouldn't be surprised...
Posted by: davesilvan on Jun 7, 2008 11:11 PM   
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If Obama is 'forced' to choose Hillary as his running mate or run the risk of fracturing the party and giving McCain the win. I've already seen too many people on myspace with headlines like "Democrats for McCain" for all those hurt women who are so appalled that Hillary lost the nom they're actually going to cross the isle and vote for ANOTHER warmongering president; and 'Ron Paul! 1 million votes and counting! /me facepalms, I laid out a little algebra to show, just guesstimates to prove a point: ok 300m citizens in the country, 25% are below voting age that leaves 225m votes, 1mil is nowhere near enough to win and Ron Paul is the Republican Republican's enemy, they miss no chance to smear him; I've seen people calling him a crazy loon, I've seen people call him racist, etc.

I really hate the woman though because to me she represents more of the same, not to mention the fact that at one point she claimed McCain would make a better prez than Obama. Way to take your party down in flames with you, lady. She' more of the 'repressive' upper class who supports the public when they're watching and the moment they turn their backs she's working on building more wealth. (McCain owns 8 homes.) I despise her so much that I wrote a tirade about her on rawstory.com and they blocked me so I can't comment any more, which struck me as odd because they moderate the comments before they're inserted, I don't see why they couldn't have just not posted my comment.

I also worry about how much she'll try to take over the white house, and with her in the VP you know Bill won't be far away. It'll be like Obama being 15 and having chaperons on his first date, constantly 'suggesting' to him not to do it his way but her way instead.

I do admire his brass balls though, he certainly has held his head up like his nose was bleedin'.

And of course, I worry about Obama being assassinated 'lone gunman/grassy knoll' JFK/Oswald style. Oswald was most definitely a patsy not to mention the 'magic bullet' theory is a joke, it can't stand up.

But people are more interested in their XBoxes and their big screen plasma TVs and everything but the government, which is what allowed Bush to illegally invade Iraq.

Speaking of which, I've read story after story about '935 knowing lies' Bush told and I can't understand for the life of me why he's not being impeached, because while the Dems decide to just drift into next year, Bush is pressing secret measures on Iraq (even holding $50 bil of their money in the federal reserve dangling it over the Iraqis' heads like a carrot on a stick, tempting them to sign his agreement, which would grant immunity to all US contractors and military men, along with 50 (!) permanent US military bases across Iraq, AND sole control of Iraqi airspace up to 29,000 feet. He's writing these to guarantee that NOBODY can withdrawal our troops. And the dems are just sitting on their asses; how could they not know these things, they're all over the net. My only assumption must be then that they're complacent because they're in on the deal too; too many senators/congressmen are more concerned with their own welfare than the welfare of the country and/or they've invested in war companies like Halliburton and KBR.

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Its not misogyny
Posted by: raywigton on Jun 8, 2008 12:06 AM   
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Most of this article by Katha Pollitt is good and I’m quite agreeable with it - but she uses that word “misogyny” again. This term has absolutely nothing to do with the Clinton campaign or the reason people so strongly oppose Hillary Clinton. To characterize anyone who didn’t support Clinton as: “obscene phone caller and every exhibitionist in America decided to become an amateur political pundit” is completely out of line and just misses the point.

To Ms Pollitt and anyone else who doesn’t understand the reasons why senator Clinton is so unlikable are: 1. She was a Goldwater Girl in 1964. 2. She was president of the Young Republicans in college. (Can we trust her today) 3. She lied about flying into Bosnia under enemy fire. (Can we believe what she says when she appears to be living in a fantasy world) 4. She voted for the war. (It was the popular thing to do) 5. She talked her husband into signing NAFTA into law. (The corporate lawyer mentality) 6. She created the travelgate scandal 7. She has less than 8 years of experience and all in one position. (Sleeping with a Governor and President doesn’t count as a qualification, if it did lots of other women have the same qualifications.) 8. In her first job on the legal staff of the Watergate probe, she tried to conceal information from our elected officials and received bad comments from her boss. 9. She represented Wal-Mart as a corporate lawyer for many years. 10. She lost or deliberately delayed the release of documents that would have helped put to rest the whole Whitewater investigation. (She acts like she is above the law) 11. She encouraged her husband to deregulate the oil and gas industry. (Still the corporate lawyer mentality.) 12 She told her husband that he didn’t owe anything to them (in reference to you and I.) 13. She speaks with a tone that is simply offensive to intelligence (though it seems to appeal to the less educated voter.) 14. Because she is so hated, more republicans will show up to vote. 15 On the campaign she said Mcbush was a better candidate than Obama. (What a traitor) There is much more but do you get the point? Her voting record in the senate has been the same as Obama on almost everything in the last two years. She has written fewer bills in 8 years than Obama in 2 years and most of her work has consisted of renaming a post office after someone. The negatives simply out weigh the positives.

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» RE: Its not misogyny Posted by: desidid
» RE: Its not misogyny Posted by: Cityzen Jane
Poll for VP
Posted by: Southern Gal on Jun 8, 2008 7:31 AM   
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There are a lot of angry women out there. Obama needs to make sure that he does not lose this block of voters. The CNN/Opinion Research poll found that 54 percent of Democrats want Hillary Clinton as VP candidate. Women favor Obama-Clinton ticket by 60 percent; 51 percent of men oppose it

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» RE: Poll for VP Posted by: Moira61
American for liberty, truth, and justice
Posted by: Michael_D on Jun 8, 2008 1:14 PM   
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People need to wake up in this country, and wake up fast. Start taking notice of who belittles who all over TV and the net from now on, or who ignores this information altogether. Wake up and make a stand America. All these big media candidate/actors are all the same, and if you have any common sense you can figure out why.

google video:
clinton chronicles
coke bush
Ex-DEA Head Admits CIA Imported Cocaine
IraqForSale.org
No End In Sight
911 Mysteries Part 1 - Demolitions (Full - 1ed.)
Barbara_Olson
911review org/Wiki/Flight77Passengers shtml
BodyOfWar com
IVAW
patriotsquestion911.com
mossad, chertoff
A Very Elegant Coup - "All The Shah's Men: An American Coup and the Roots of Middle East Terror"
pilotsfor911truth.org
911pressfortruth.com
George W. Guilty of Murder?

IfAmericansKnew.org

Obama won a Grammy award not long ago for his ability to perform SPOKEN WORD for crying out loud........ He may as well be a character OR method actor... like mccain and hitlery and all these corporate wallstreet candidates who are in bed with these so called "neo-cons" and "Zionist" fanatics.

Obama is a CFR member CFR member and a COUSIN to former CFR member/Haliburton/Diebold Dick Cheney AND Skull and Bones
george bush .

Cheney Calls Obama "Cousin Barack"

Obama pandered to Aztlan La Raza (the race) but the media didn't widely report as you could imagine. Now they got it on Obama's website. because they know what illegal immigrants will think about it.

John Mccain to suck up to La Raza

Obama: "Use your megaphones."

McHillBama

Pentagon Uses Propaganda Illegally To Sell Iraq War

Both parties are owned by the AIPAC Lobby

AIPAC is pushing us to war with Iran for Israel

Former CIA counterterrorism agent Michael Scheuer explains why Bin Laden has not yet been captured.

Arming our own enemies in Iraq


TurnOffYourTv com

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» RE: israeli lobby Posted by: DesertStone
To those who think Clinton was 'our last chance'
Posted by: Cityzen Jane on Jun 8, 2008 2:13 PM   
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You have such a limited view. All around me I see women taking charge, running for office and making change. It is ridiculous to limit our hopes to one woman who was originally coronated by the DNC. The world is much bigger than that.

Thank you Hillary for stepping out, and thank you for endorsing Obama - our next president.

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Hillary Should Have Won
Posted by: marusasma on Jun 8, 2008 3:34 PM   
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Regardless that her husband is Bill Clinton, Hillary has the smarts, intellect and understands a great deal more about foreign and domestic policy than pretty boy Obama. I am absolutely furious that so-called super delegates jumped from Hillary's camp to Obama's. What ever happened to the votes that citizens of our country made? What right do delegates who represent the popular vote have to change course? Then there were the two primaries that had elections before the DNC said they could and took away delegates. There is no change. Its just politics as usual and what goes on behind closed doors.

I would have liked to see Hillary as President. I think she would have done a super job and who gives a damn whether she wears pantsuits or not? Do we go ballistic when a Presidential male candidate is seen without a tie? Give me a break!

No, we need women to lead. I think that Hillary is a monumental testimony that women can do well at high eschelon positions. You go girl! You've conducted yourself with grace and dignity. May people follow your example.

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» RE: Hillary Should Have Won Posted by: Moira61
» Hillary sent us to Iraq Posted by: WhuThe?!?
demon war monger
Posted by: DesertStone on Jun 10, 2008 10:22 AM   
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What makes so many women let alone self proclaimed liberals support this war mongering imperialist? She is a demonic troll who thinks nothing of threatening to “obliterate” millions of people. Every time I think she can't be more offensive she opens her mouth and surprises me.

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GRACE & DIGNITY?....
Posted by: bluetoaster on Jun 11, 2008 5:02 PM   
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"No, we need women to lead. I think that Hillary is a monumental testimony that women can do well at high eschelon positions. You go girl! You've conducted yourself with grace and dignity. May people follow your example."

She's a snake. She goes into detail about being fired upon in Iraq when coming off a plane(to appear heroic) - then when its exposed as a blatant fabricated & made up lie, she says "she made a mistake, and she's just human".

What a complete fake opportunistic weasel.

The fact that people overlook her character & policies just because she's a woman says a lot about them.

And to say she's "Conducted herself with grace & dignity" is laughable. Yeah, 'you go girl'... go & never come back.

-B

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Thank you Hillary
Posted by: gabemott on Jun 12, 2008 1:28 PM   
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Well, I understand all the cynicism-- the machine called democracy rolls along...

But I am grateful to Hillary for so many reasons. And I'm sporting a Thank you Hillary t-shirt.

I give her props mostly because I give my mom props. My mom identified with Hillary like she has never before with any other candidate.

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