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How Advertisers Psychologically Mug Women
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Secrets of discreet feminine hygiene. Products that will eliminate pounds and years. An "age-defying lift" brassiere. Another bra that makes you look like you have cosmetic breast implants (who knew that was desirable?).
For Mother's Day, there was the Love Doctor dispensing romance advice for single moms. For Valentine's Day, there was the condom paper weight and a PR rep offering an interview with America's Love Doctor.
The problem with pitches like this, many of which trade on women's anxieties, is that they seem to assume women are mainly in the business of buying trifles. And that extends to the general marketplace.
"While marketers may be aware that women are major spenders on the so-called small stuff -- groceries, apparel, kids -- they are not fully aware that women are the majority of buyers of new cars, consumer electronics and home improvement," says Marti Barletta, CEO of the marketing consultancy TrendSight Group, who was a keynote speaker at last week's annual M2W marketing conference in Chicago, which debated how marketers could improve their appeals to women.
Women's Purchasing Power is Green, Not Pink
Marketers, Barletta says, "are worried that marketing to women means making it pink and that would horrify men. ... They don't know what marketing to women is."
While marketing campaigns often seem to assume men are more technologically oriented than women, Barletta, a veteran marketing and advertising executive, says that when Best Buy analyzed its patrons, it found the majority of those cruising the aisles were men, but at the cash register, the majority of buyers were women.
Even though women make 85 percent of all consumer purchases, Barletta says the pay gap, which leaves women earning 76 cents for every dollar earned by men, creates the impression that women don't have or control much money. In fact, "Women bring in more than half of household income," Barletta says. "In a partnered household, a woman spends not only her own paycheck but most of her spouse's or partner's as well."
Much has been said and lamented over the years -- including by me in columns in this space -- of marketing that gets women to open up their wallets through a sort of psychological mugging. Ads target us with the self-improvement message. One example that comes to mind is Nutrisystem's touting of going from an already modest dress size to an even smaller one ("I went from a size 10 to a size 4!"). The relentlessly repeated premise is that we're inadequate. Unattractive. Unworthy.
Reality Check
Then there's the reality. Barletta describes women now between 50 and 75 -- a group virtually ignored by marketers -- as "the healthiest, wealthiest, most educated, active and influential generation of women in history."
If marketing reflected this -- instead of picking away at our fears about our complexions, our weight and the elasticity of our skin -- it might go a long way toward countering ageism and boosting the confidence of young women who look to older women for role models. Who knows, it might even help close the incredible gender gap in the U.S. Congress and corporate board rooms.
But Barletta says even sophisticated marketers are half a step behind where women are right now. "They'll say, 'We're offering these tools to empower women to take control of their lives, to give them more freedom and flexibility.' That's language from the 1980s and 1990s. I keep telling them women are empowered and they need to be thinking about serving women."
Barletta singled out the already highly-praised "Dove Campaign for Real Beauty" as the best women's marketing campaign of 2007. The campaign's ads for Dove soap featured "real" women -- in other words not fashion models -- of various ages, shapes and sizes, and was intended to widen the definition and discussion of beauty. (A May 12 New Yorker article about a photo retoucher quoted him as saying the Dove models had in fact been a bit retouched but he has since clarified that he "was directed only to remove dust and do color correction -- both the integrity of the photographs and the women's natural beauty were maintained.") Dove says women's response to the campaign has been overwhelmingly positive; nearly 2.5 million visitors have visited the site at Campaignforrealbeauty.com. Parent company Unilever's first-quarter revenues exceeded its forecast for the first time in six years, in part because of increased sales of Dove products.
But Dove's campaign was hardly typical. Most beauty and apparel products are fronted by skinny, extensively airbrushed models few real women relate to. According to a Dove-commissioned study of women in nine countries, the majority of women believe that if media were reflective of the population, a person would likely believe women over 50 do not exist.
"Most businesses fall into the trap of believing in the 'ethereal woman,'" write Michele Miller and Holly Buchanan in "The Soccer Mom Myth" (Wizard Academy Press, 2007). "They see her as an intangible, emotional being with mysterious traits like intuition and nurturing behavior."
They consider mothers "the most stereotyped women in advertising," and I can believe it after the outpouring of ads in the newspaper last week about giving "her" jewelry and other expensive baubles for "all that she does." The message of these ads is that women with children labor quietly in the shadows most of the year to emerge Cinderella-like, once a year, to play the princess at the magical Hallmark ball.
New Blood Could Improve Marketing Tactics
A new generation of marketing execs might stop the industry from undervaluing and patronizing women.
An intriguing initiative is 3iying, a New York City agency. Its staff is media-talented young women 15 and up who sniff out marketing ploys that lack authenticity and relevance to them and their peers.
Miller and Buchanan say 3iying founder Heidi Dangelmaier "makes a point to contact these girls before they get into a traditional agency setting. She wants to reach them before they are forced to give up their natural instincts to conform to the more traditional, and often male-dominated, world of advertising."
The early influx of young women into the advertising and marketing scene could lead to more accurate female images.
Even with single women heading so many households, authors Miller and Buchanan say the majority of today's advertising still depicts the traditional mother-father household. "The traditional family unit may not be as reflective of reality, but it's a whole lot more comfortable territory for advertisers," they say.
And that's the real point. Women have worked hard to make social gains but the consumer P.A. system seems intent on denying us our hard-won advancement. It would help everyone -- companies and their female customers alike -- if marketers would just catch on.
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Posted by: Rune on May 15, 2008 12:35 AM
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on May 15, 2008 2:58 AM
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Nothing personal, ladies. Or to put it another way: It's not always about you. For example, car companies continue to market big, crappy, American-made trucks to insecure males...If the trucks were as tough as the ads say, why do they fall apart in 2 years, while the dorky little Japanese trucks run forever?
Advertising is not for women who are comfortable with who they are, or men who want an economical, practical, reliable truck that gets you from point A to point B. Advertising is for suckers, idiots, and losers who need someone else to tell them what they want. So you're really wasting your time trying to class it up and make it more realistic, because that's not what it's about.
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Posted by: bornxeyed on May 15, 2008 5:05 AM
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I can't wait until the start complaining they aren't getting their fair share of heart attacks, strokes and industrial accidents.
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Posted by: Angela Hayden ART GODDESS on May 15, 2008 5:18 AM
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So, now that I'm older and have worked in the marketing and advertising industry for 10 years, I realize that buying into advertising is a scam . It is only about money.
When I feel shitty about myself I remind myself that "being pretty" really never got me anything. An education, a loving family, loyal friends and interesting hobbies are what make me happy. Sure, I still buy stuff. But now I stop and think, "can I live without this?" And, most of the time I can. And, I've taught my daughters about manipulating advertising.
http://www.angelahayden.blogspot.com
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Posted by: scheherezade on May 15, 2008 5:42 AM
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Idealism's total disinterest in human motivation never ceases to amaze.
Confident women would benefit males (not to mention 'beauty' product advertisers) how, exactly?
Day-to-day media attention on women's disgusting bodies tends to overshadow the fact that it's male sexual ego that's most fragile and insecure. Men are far more insecure and desperate for sex, every day, all their lives, than women will ever be.
Straight men in the media (including advertising) express this by portraying women as dumb sex toys, useless past 30. Gay men in the industry express it by portraying women as disgusting, uncreative leeches, useless past 30.
Confident women do not fuck assholes, or do their work for them. Confident young women with confident mature role models do not fuck ugly, spent-out middle aged men. Confident women might attract straight men for something other than appearance, thus usurping gay men's lucrative, self-styled role as cultural arbiter.
There is no benefit, whatsoever, for any male-run (which means all of it) media to portray women in a flattering light.
And the media industry itself tends to attract the worst of the worst male specimens, compounding the problem.
It will not change until women simply refuse to buy the products whose advertising denigrates them, and refuse to watch the movies and television shows that portray them negatively.
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Posted by: Farasien on May 15, 2008 5:46 AM
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You want to be (good/respected/loved, etc.). Buying this POS product will make you (good/respected/loved, etc.). What you already have you don't REALLY want, and more importantly, isn't enough.
Though women in society are yelling the loudest about marketing, especialy with respect to so-called 'beauty' products, it is used on everyone. They use the insecurities in all people to push their garbage like drug dealers. The thing is, marketing is largely volentary. When you watch a commercial, you are choosing to be marketed to and emotionally blackmailed. When you click on that stupid ad in the corner of the web page or respond to the spam email, you choose to be marketed to. If you really want to stop being marketed to, all you have to do is not be. When I was in college, a friend of mine challenged me to turn off the TV for one solid week. I didn't actually do it until after I left college in the midst of a financial crunch, when I was forced to let my cable go. After a week, I felt less stressed. The week turned into a month, then into yerars. After being away from it for a few weeks, I was way more relaxed, less hassled. I slept better, I ate less and my health generally improved. My productivity and focus were both markedly heightened. In short, the TV was a leech, bleeding off my energy and drive. I liken it now to a sewer drain piped directly into your living or bedroom. It spews endless shit, it insults your intelligence (its been proven a few times over sitcoms reduce IQ over time) it degrades your self-worth and saps your strength. It reinforces the status-quo, burns off a willingness to fight for your beliefs or individuality and helps the junk-producers to empty your bank account. Ever since I left the TV cult, all I can think about is- why did I ever watch in the first place?
I would challenge anyone who feels victimized by the media to do the logical thing and TURN IT OFF for at least a week. After you do, reassess how you are feeling. I almost garantee you'll be better off.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on May 15, 2008 5:59 AM
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I've got a GPS system for them and it is telling THEM EXACTLY WHRERE TO GO!!!
So Boys (and girls) if you want to have a company into the next century you had better start listening -esp to US Michiganders who you have Betrayed and Danced an dSpit on our Ancestors grave who Built your Companies from NOTHING!
We do NOT need YOU - You need US!
Hugs & kisses From You lady Friends here In MI!!!
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Posted by: Q30 on May 15, 2008 6:25 AM
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Some victims.
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Posted by: war_on_tara on May 15, 2008 6:53 AM
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This one MUST be directed at women, if only because it can't possibly be directed at men!
How many stereotypes can fit in 30 seconds? Wimpy, nebbishy, henpecked husband... terrified of his tired, cranky, supposedly fat wife (who doesn't even look overweight, though hubby could stand to lose a few!)... WTF, who WOULD this appeal to?
And the most annoying thing about it is, Multi-Grain Cheerios is actually a good cereal! But I'm boycotting it until they stop running that damn commercial.
Is there a way to research how effective certain advertising has been? I'd be curious to look at a website about that.
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Posted by: ptown on May 15, 2008 6:57 AM
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i just shaved my legs for the first time in 5 months (for a summer event). the last time i wore high heeled shoes was 1989 for a wedding and i wear a bit of cruelty free eye liner once or twice a year for fancy events.
other than that, au natural. we don't need anything more than toothpaste, floss, soap, shampoo, conditioner, lotion, and for some furry mammals like me, a razor and tweezers. i do the absolute minimum and yet i am always clean and presentable.
everything else is garbage and creates a multi-billion dollar drain on our oil and water resources, and contributes to choking the planet with landfill and plastic gyres. animals suffer for that hair dye,etc.
women, grow old gracefully and cosmetic free.
the beauty industry is raping and killing the planet.
if we gave away the "extra money" we spent on glamour-trash, we could feed the world.
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Posted by: Iconoclast421 on May 15, 2008 7:01 AM
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One in three dead, dying, or almost died of cancer.
Collectively in debt, no net worth. What little money this demographic does have is invested in companies like Walmart, which profits from the destruction of the american industrial base. Or Monsanto, who genetically modifies plants to be sterile, devoid of nutrition, and to cause increased allergies and possibly even cause cancer. Go on down the list... General Motors: killed the electric car. Exxon: Spilled millions of gallons of oil in Alaska and still hasnt paid for it. Every fortune 500 company has its own little horror story tucked under the rug.
"...active and influential generation of women in history."
Active? Active in what? Active in being a good consumer? Watching Fox News? The lot of you dont know a thing about what's going on in the world, or even how the world works. You'd think after being around for 50-75 years you would take at least a little time out of your precious consumer schedule to figure things out. But no, your own shallow selfish golf course drama is more important.
Where were you when Kennedy was shot? Where were you when the Gulf of Tonkin was staged? Where were you when the USS Liberty was sank? Where were you when the CIA was caught shipping the cocaine into this country and selling arms to Iran?
All these false flag events, you just pretend they dont exist. And all the debt directly caused by these false flag events, you just pretend that doesnt exist too, dont you? Have you noticed the pattern yet?
1. False flag event.
2. Massive deficit spending.
3. Inflation and currency devaluation.
1. False flag event.
2. Massive deficit spending.
3. Inflation and currency devaluation.
1. False flag event.
2. Massive deficit spending.
3. Inflation and currency devaluation.
That is basically the last 40+ years of american history. YOUR entire lifetime this has been going on. And you did nothing. NOTHING.
'They' got away with it for so long... and it's been so profitable... 9/11 was simply inevitable. But of course you dont believe in any of that thar conspiracy stuff do you? Why would you. You think it's perfectly ok to leave this country in trillions and trillions of dollars in debt... basically insolvent. You dont care that you're screwing over your own children. You dont care about fluoride in your water. You dont care about mercury in your flu shots. So why would you even care about 9/11 being an inside job.
Try studying the last 20 years of Russian history. And know that it is possible for both sides to lose a war, even a cold war.
Let me tell you one more thing. If you do study Russian history, one of the key things you'll notice is that in Russia, there were plenty of people who saw what was coming for them. And many of them were what you'd probably call "cheauvanistic male pigs."
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on May 15, 2008 7:09 AM
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Posted by: Pale_Green_Pants on May 15, 2008 9:37 AM
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I'm guessing this salesperson looked at her (early 50s, in thrift store jeans) and decided she wasn't worth his time--though somehow I suspect if she had walked in with her teenaged son in tow, it would have been a different story. The 21st century eqivalent of the car salesman telling the little woman to "come back with your husband."
I'm glad I do most of my shopping online.
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on May 15, 2008 10:03 AM
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We have slank back into the models of the fifties and sixties. Women are either glamour godesses,whores or bitchy crime fighters. We've come nowhere. We put up images that no one can live up to male or female, families that few could actually achieve either the income of harmony status and then you get a herpies commerical. Maybe instead of dumping broadcast television for cable or dish TV,we should just dump TV.
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Posted by: Crazy H on May 15, 2008 11:53 AM
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The author is saying that American Marketing Slimeballs - the most highly evolved predators on the planet - don't know how to catch their prey??!!
These people spend BILLIONS OF DOLLARS researching exactly how to market what to who. They know who buys it, when they buy it, why they buy it, where the buy it and how to get them to buy more of it.
Believe me, if more women would buy more products to make them fatter if they were only hawked by old, fat, ugly women with bad hair - the airwaves would be filled with old, fat, ugly women with bad hair.
Reality check: if they're so ineffective, how is it that women - making only 43% of the money - are spending 85% of the money?
*(tee hee "buying it" - I just crack me up)
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Posted by: stellabloo on May 15, 2008 1:01 PM
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... the Real Beauty campaign is just the latest industry success story on how to make women feel "empowered" as they buy another round of carcinogenic skin crap. One honest lad in the marketing department agreed with me that frankly, 99.9% of beauty products are TOXIC CRAP, Unilever being no exception.
Now, not only am I not driven to buy Dove simply because the models are flabby (Listen up PEOPLE! "natural" beauty is a product of HEALTH and FITNESS, not soap ... flabby may be "in" in under the burkha but you will never convince me that a sedentary body is beautiful, no matter how much soap you throw at it?) but Unilever also puts out the incredibly misogynist Axe ads ...
... and most offensive of all - Unilever has a thriving third world business in Fair n Lovely skin lighteners which, if you view these ads on youtube, show some of the rudest sexist and outright rascist crap you have ever seen for one of the most toxic products you could think of. This is the same company!
BTW I suggest products such as simple glycerin soap or good organic shampoo, in order to minimize exposure to toxins like parabens, lauryl sulfates, etc . Reading the label is your #1 most empowering action!
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Posted by: Logic's Edge on May 15, 2008 1:05 PM
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That's all you have to do.
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Posted by: westomoon on May 15, 2008 2:07 PM
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Posted by: e rice on May 15, 2008 4:37 PM
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what, exactly, is the point of demanding less sexist, ageist, bigoted, unrealistic advertising when the result would just be more psychologically effective BRAINWASHING?
the english majors put out of work could, just a thought, TEACH children how to properly use the language. or work in publishing and stop the degradation of the language by editors who plainly can't spell or use tenses properly.
the mental health experts using their skills to manipulate could be put to work HELPING people rather than exploiting them.
the money saved on all the aspects of advertising could be used to lower prices--but would problably find its way into the pockets of the executives.
for decades, i have based my buying on how much air time and magazine/newspaper space a product on the shelf receives--if a product is still offered without advertising because word of mouth keeps it available, that's what i buy.
if a product i buy is advertised as new and improved, i know it will actually work less well than the old form, and i start buying something else.
i am obviously in the minority.
because advertising is doing a dandy job of selling garbage to americans.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on May 15, 2008 2:58 AM
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Nothing personal, ladies. Or to put it another way: It's not always about you. For example, car companies continue to market big, crappy, American-made trucks to insecure males...If the trucks were as tough as the ads say, why do they fall apart in 2 years, while the dorky little Japanese trucks run forever?
Advertising is not for women who are comfortable with who they are, or men who want an economical, practical, reliable truck that gets you from point A to point B. Advertising is for suckers, idiots, and losers who need someone else to tell them what they want. So you're really wasting your time trying to class it up and make it more realistic, because that's not what it's about.
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Posted by: bornxeyed on May 15, 2008 5:05 AM
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I can't wait until the start complaining they aren't getting their fair share of heart attacks, strokes and industrial accidents.
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» what, men don't reproduce?
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» no, men reproduce - we just don't have any reproductive rights
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Posted by: Angela Hayden ART GODDESS on May 15, 2008 5:18 AM
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So, now that I'm older and have worked in the marketing and advertising industry for 10 years, I realize that buying into advertising is a scam . It is only about money.
When I feel shitty about myself I remind myself that "being pretty" really never got me anything. An education, a loving family, loyal friends and interesting hobbies are what make me happy. Sure, I still buy stuff. But now I stop and think, "can I live without this?" And, most of the time I can. And, I've taught my daughters about manipulating advertising.
http://www.angelahayden.blogspot.com
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Posted by: scheherezade on May 15, 2008 5:42 AM
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Idealism's total disinterest in human motivation never ceases to amaze.
Confident women would benefit males (not to mention 'beauty' product advertisers) how, exactly?
Day-to-day media attention on women's disgusting bodies tends to overshadow the fact that it's male sexual ego that's most fragile and insecure. Men are far more insecure and desperate for sex, every day, all their lives, than women will ever be.
Straight men in the media (including advertising) express this by portraying women as dumb sex toys, useless past 30. Gay men in the industry express it by portraying women as disgusting, uncreative leeches, useless past 30.
Confident women do not fuck assholes, or do their work for them. Confident young women with confident mature role models do not fuck ugly, spent-out middle aged men. Confident women might attract straight men for something other than appearance, thus usurping gay men's lucrative, self-styled role as cultural arbiter.
There is no benefit, whatsoever, for any male-run (which means all of it) media to portray women in a flattering light.
And the media industry itself tends to attract the worst of the worst male specimens, compounding the problem.
It will not change until women simply refuse to buy the products whose advertising denigrates them, and refuse to watch the movies and television shows that portray them negatively.
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Posted by: Farasien on May 15, 2008 5:46 AM
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You want to be (good/respected/loved, etc.). Buying this POS product will make you (good/respected/loved, etc.). What you already have you don't REALLY want, and more importantly, isn't enough.
Though women in society are yelling the loudest about marketing, especialy with respect to so-called 'beauty' products, it is used on everyone. They use the insecurities in all people to push their garbage like drug dealers. The thing is, marketing is largely volentary. When you watch a commercial, you are choosing to be marketed to and emotionally blackmailed. When you click on that stupid ad in the corner of the web page or respond to the spam email, you choose to be marketed to. If you really want to stop being marketed to, all you have to do is not be. When I was in college, a friend of mine challenged me to turn off the TV for one solid week. I didn't actually do it until after I left college in the midst of a financial crunch, when I was forced to let my cable go. After a week, I felt less stressed. The week turned into a month, then into yerars. After being away from it for a few weeks, I was way more relaxed, less hassled. I slept better, I ate less and my health generally improved. My productivity and focus were both markedly heightened. In short, the TV was a leech, bleeding off my energy and drive. I liken it now to a sewer drain piped directly into your living or bedroom. It spews endless shit, it insults your intelligence (its been proven a few times over sitcoms reduce IQ over time) it degrades your self-worth and saps your strength. It reinforces the status-quo, burns off a willingness to fight for your beliefs or individuality and helps the junk-producers to empty your bank account. Ever since I left the TV cult, all I can think about is- why did I ever watch in the first place?
I would challenge anyone who feels victimized by the media to do the logical thing and TURN IT OFF for at least a week. After you do, reassess how you are feeling. I almost garantee you'll be better off.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on May 15, 2008 5:59 AM
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I've got a GPS system for them and it is telling THEM EXACTLY WHRERE TO GO!!!
So Boys (and girls) if you want to have a company into the next century you had better start listening -esp to US Michiganders who you have Betrayed and Danced an dSpit on our Ancestors grave who Built your Companies from NOTHING!
We do NOT need YOU - You need US!
Hugs & kisses From You lady Friends here In MI!!!
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Posted by: Q30 on May 15, 2008 6:25 AM
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Some victims.
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Posted by: war_on_tara on May 15, 2008 6:53 AM
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This one MUST be directed at women, if only because it can't possibly be directed at men!
How many stereotypes can fit in 30 seconds? Wimpy, nebbishy, henpecked husband... terrified of his tired, cranky, supposedly fat wife (who doesn't even look overweight, though hubby could stand to lose a few!)... WTF, who WOULD this appeal to?
And the most annoying thing about it is, Multi-Grain Cheerios is actually a good cereal! But I'm boycotting it until they stop running that damn commercial.
Is there a way to research how effective certain advertising has been? I'd be curious to look at a website about that.
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Posted by: ptown on May 15, 2008 6:57 AM
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i just shaved my legs for the first time in 5 months (for a summer event). the last time i wore high heeled shoes was 1989 for a wedding and i wear a bit of cruelty free eye liner once or twice a year for fancy events.
other than that, au natural. we don't need anything more than toothpaste, floss, soap, shampoo, conditioner, lotion, and for some furry mammals like me, a razor and tweezers. i do the absolute minimum and yet i am always clean and presentable.
everything else is garbage and creates a multi-billion dollar drain on our oil and water resources, and contributes to choking the planet with landfill and plastic gyres. animals suffer for that hair dye,etc.
women, grow old gracefully and cosmetic free.
the beauty industry is raping and killing the planet.
if we gave away the "extra money" we spent on glamour-trash, we could feed the world.
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Posted by: Iconoclast421 on May 15, 2008 7:01 AM
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One in three dead, dying, or almost died of cancer.
Collectively in debt, no net worth. What little money this demographic does have is invested in companies like Walmart, which profits from the destruction of the american industrial base. Or Monsanto, who genetically modifies plants to be sterile, devoid of nutrition, and to cause increased allergies and possibly even cause cancer. Go on down the list... General Motors: killed the electric car. Exxon: Spilled millions of gallons of oil in Alaska and still hasnt paid for it. Every fortune 500 company has its own little horror story tucked under the rug.
"...active and influential generation of women in history."
Active? Active in what? Active in being a good consumer? Watching Fox News? The lot of you dont know a thing about what's going on in the world, or even how the world works. You'd think after being around for 50-75 years you would take at least a little time out of your precious consumer schedule to figure things out. But no, your own shallow selfish golf course drama is more important.
Where were you when Kennedy was shot? Where were you when the Gulf of Tonkin was staged? Where were you when the USS Liberty was sank? Where were you when the CIA was caught shipping the cocaine into this country and selling arms to Iran?
All these false flag events, you just pretend they dont exist. And all the debt directly caused by these false flag events, you just pretend that doesnt exist too, dont you? Have you noticed the pattern yet?
1. False flag event.
2. Massive deficit spending.
3. Inflation and currency devaluation.
1. False flag event.
2. Massive deficit spending.
3. Inflation and currency devaluation.
1. False flag event.
2. Massive deficit spending.
3. Inflation and currency devaluation.
That is basically the last 40+ years of american history. YOUR entire lifetime this has been going on. And you did nothing. NOTHING.
'They' got away with it for so long... and it's been so profitable... 9/11 was simply inevitable. But of course you dont believe in any of that thar conspiracy stuff do you? Why would you. You think it's perfectly ok to leave this country in trillions and trillions of dollars in debt... basically insolvent. You dont care that you're screwing over your own children. You dont care about fluoride in your water. You dont care about mercury in your flu shots. So why would you even care about 9/11 being an inside job.
Try studying the last 20 years of Russian history. And know that it is possible for both sides to lose a war, even a cold war.
Let me tell you one more thing. If you do study Russian history, one of the key things you'll notice is that in Russia, there were plenty of people who saw what was coming for them. And many of them were what you'd probably call "cheauvanistic male pigs."
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on May 15, 2008 7:09 AM
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Posted by: Pale_Green_Pants on May 15, 2008 9:37 AM
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I'm guessing this salesperson looked at her (early 50s, in thrift store jeans) and decided she wasn't worth his time--though somehow I suspect if she had walked in with her teenaged son in tow, it would have been a different story. The 21st century eqivalent of the car salesman telling the little woman to "come back with your husband."
I'm glad I do most of my shopping online.
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on May 15, 2008 10:03 AM
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We have slank back into the models of the fifties and sixties. Women are either glamour godesses,whores or bitchy crime fighters. We've come nowhere. We put up images that no one can live up to male or female, families that few could actually achieve either the income of harmony status and then you get a herpies commerical. Maybe instead of dumping broadcast television for cable or dish TV,we should just dump TV.
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Posted by: Crazy H on May 15, 2008 11:53 AM
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The author is saying that American Marketing Slimeballs - the most highly evolved predators on the planet - don't know how to catch their prey??!!
These people spend BILLIONS OF DOLLARS researching exactly how to market what to who. They know who buys it, when they buy it, why they buy it, where the buy it and how to get them to buy more of it.
Believe me, if more women would buy more products to make them fatter if they were only hawked by old, fat, ugly women with bad hair - the airwaves would be filled with old, fat, ugly women with bad hair.
Reality check: if they're so ineffective, how is it that women - making only 43% of the money - are spending 85% of the money?
*(tee hee "buying it" - I just crack me up)
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Posted by: stellabloo on May 15, 2008 1:01 PM
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... the Real Beauty campaign is just the latest industry success story on how to make women feel "empowered" as they buy another round of carcinogenic skin crap. One honest lad in the marketing department agreed with me that frankly, 99.9% of beauty products are TOXIC CRAP, Unilever being no exception.
Now, not only am I not driven to buy Dove simply because the models are flabby (Listen up PEOPLE! "natural" beauty is a product of HEALTH and FITNESS, not soap ... flabby may be "in" in under the burkha but you will never convince me that a sedentary body is beautiful, no matter how much soap you throw at it?) but Unilever also puts out the incredibly misogynist Axe ads ...
... and most offensive of all - Unilever has a thriving third world business in Fair n Lovely skin lighteners which, if you view these ads on youtube, show some of the rudest sexist and outright rascist crap you have ever seen for one of the most toxic products you could think of. This is the same company!
BTW I suggest products such as simple glycerin soap or good organic shampoo, in order to minimize exposure to toxins like parabens, lauryl sulfates, etc . Reading the label is your #1 most empowering action!
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Posted by: Logic's Edge on May 15, 2008 1:05 PM
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That's all you have to do.
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Posted by: westomoon on May 15, 2008 2:07 PM
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Posted by: frates101 on May 15, 2008 3:31 PM
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Posted by: e rice on May 15, 2008 4:37 PM
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what, exactly, is the point of demanding less sexist, ageist, bigoted, unrealistic advertising when the result would just be more psychologically effective BRAINWASHING?
the english majors put out of work could, just a thought, TEACH children how to properly use the language. or work in publishing and stop the degradation of the language by editors who plainly can't spell or use tenses properly.
the mental health experts using their skills to manipulate could be put to work HELPING people rather than exploiting them.
the money saved on all the aspects of advertising could be used to lower prices--but would problably find its way into the pockets of the executives.
for decades, i have based my buying on how much air time and magazine/newspaper space a product on the shelf receives--if a product is still offered without advertising because word of mouth keeps it available, that's what i buy.
if a product i buy is advertised as new and improved, i know it will actually work less well than the old form, and i start buying something else.
i am obviously in the minority.
because advertising is doing a dandy job of selling garbage to americans.
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