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Anti-Feminist Backlash Out in Full Force
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Tell me the backlash against feminism isn't crackling up a storm. I try to keep my eye on the big picture and the bottom line: education, employment, autonomy, power. Surely, I tell myself, the fact that half of all new med students are female is more important than Paris Hilton's omnipresent visage; that a woman has made the first viable run for the presidency says more about the United States than that media clowns like Matthews basically call her a crazy castrating bitch on a daily basis; or that Caitlin Flanagan, smarmy enemy of working mothers (and another big believer in compulsory sex for wives), won a National Magazine Award for reviews and criticism.
But sometimes I think we're truly going backward, as Republican hegemony, conservative Christianity and anti-feminist media propaganda take their cumulative toll. All those judges, all that money, all that shock jockery, all those magazines obsessively following stars' weight and baby bumps: it would be strange if they had no effect. As far as concrete setbacks go, look no further than the case of Lilly Ledbetter, whose right to sue for pay discrimination was denied by the Supreme Court last May. In a 5-to-4 decision, the Justices overturned the standard interpretation of existing law to declare that Ledbetter was twenty years too late: the victim of pay discrimination must sue within six months of the initial discriminatory act -- never mind whether she knew about it (many employers, including Ledbetter's, forbid workers from discussing their salaries; she found out she was paid less than any man at her level from an anonymous tip). Given the realities of life, the Court has given employers the nod to pay women less, as long as they can keep the women in the dark for 180 days. In April a bill to restore women's right to sue failed in the Senate, 56-to-42, because for some reason everything now needs sixty votes to become law. John McCain said the bill would lead to too many lawsuits (hello? all it would have done was restore the law we'd lived with for forty-four years); what women needed was more "education and training." Because right now, women are just too dumb to merit equal pay. As Dahlia Lithwick wrote in a coruscating piece in Slate, if women take this sitting down, maybe they really are dumb.
The suspicion that women are dim would explain why Oklahoma has just passed a law requiring not only that women seeking abortions be forced to view sonograms of their fetuses but that the picture be taken in the way most likely to reveal the clearest picture--often up their vaginas. In other antichoice news, an abortion ban will be on the ballot again in South Dakota, this time with narrow exceptions for rape and incest. And mark June 7 on your calendar -- it's Protest the Pill day, brought to you by the American Life League and other antichoice groups, which claim, despite the evidence, that "the Pill kills babies" by preventing implantation of fertilized eggs. Maybe it's good that the antichoice movement is outing itself as opposed to contraception, as prochoicers have long maintained and not many pundits have noted -- but it also shows that they believe they can come out of the closet and not be dismissed as lunatics. Look for more struggles over government birth-control funding -- already way down, thanks to budget cuts and inflation--as the antichoicers move the goal posts of how "life" is defined.
Yes, women are still making gains in education and -- slowly -- in politics and other areas. But longstanding feminist gains are eroding: battered women's shelters, for example, are closing for lack of funds. And the advances haven't made the difference once hoped for. There are more powerful female Hollywood executives than ever, but as Manohla Dargis pointed out in a splendid rant (her word) in York Times, the movies are relentlessly male-focused: the conventional Hollywood wisdom is "Women can't direct. Women can't open movies. Women are a niche." Culturally, there's misogyny wherever you look: Grand Theft Auto IV, which offers players the opportunity to have sex with prostitutes and kill them, got rave reviews and is expected to have $500 million in sales its first week out. If there's a pro-woman cultural event with that kind of reach and impact, I'd like to hear about it. It certainly wouldn't be Vanity Fair's photo of tween icon Miley Cyrus, clad in nothing but a bedsheet at all of 15 years old -- or the daily media onslaught urging women to focus on their babies like a Zen master contemplating a rock -- when not taking pole-dancing lessons, getting Botoxed or catching up on the latest "studies" purporting to prove that they lack the drive and brains to do anything better with their brief time on earth. Feminism, please call home!
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Posted by: Angela Hayden ART GODDESS on May 10, 2008 9:53 AM
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Some men believe its a pain in the ass for women to want equal rights. Hell, my mama raised five kids on her own after my drunken, abusive father left. He broke her nose twice and nearly killed me. She didn't have time to think about being a feminist. She was just a poor woman trying to survive in our society.
She sure as hell didn't expect to be raising us on her own. She did have to go on welfare, food stamps and student aid to get her nursing degree. She was a damned welfare mom. She worked full time at night and went to school full-time during the day. We didn't see much of her for four years.
She couldn't find a boyfriend that wanted to marry a woman with five kids. She got a job after four years on welfare and supported us. She died at the age of 45 from leukemia. I think it was pure exhaustion.
After I repeated the circle of violence and married an abusive man, I too left and became a damned welfare mom. I too collected food stamps and received aid to go to college. My two daughters were on Medicaid. After two years on welfare, I too got a job and tried to support my family. The whopping $200 a month in child support really didn't help much. Especially since daycare was $100 a week. My job paid $38,000. It sucked. I had a nervous breakdown. I didn't have any family around to help me. My mom, dad, grandmother and grandfather we dead. I couldn't afford to stay home when my youngest was sick and daycare wouldn't accept her either. I was always getting in trouble at work because I'd have to leave because something was going on with one of the girls from ear infections to head-lice.
I sure as hell wasn't thinking about being a feminist during all that hell. I was thinking about surviving.
Now that I do have time to think about being a feminist, I think I am. I'm a feminist and I believe in equal rights for everyone. I'm thankful to have married a good man and am enjoying getting to know what goodness is.
Sincerely,
Angela Hayden
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Posted by: mandiwrite on May 12, 2008 3:56 AM
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It's important to figure it out, you see, because I live in the so-called developing world, in a country where our no doubt backward constitution enshrines gender equality (we even offer our gay friends the right to get married); but perhaps we should follow your lead and pay no attention to those rights. I mean, surely the USA doesn't operate on the principle of "Do as I say, not as I do"?
Hmmm. Maybe not. After all, this is the country which asks us to throw open our doors to global business, no holds barred - but continues to protect its own farmers and industries (like the steel industry). So I guess it's OK for you guys to behave like a bunch of rednecks, talking about 'ma woman' and how givin' her a good beatin' is good for her... while expecting the rest of the world to observe faithfully those rights you disrespect.
Not! How about removing the veils from *your* female citizens before you go getting all self-righteous about the veils in our countries?
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Posted by: Purple Girl on May 12, 2008 4:28 AM
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However the most disturbing is the division of 'Feminist' and Libber. Perhaps perpetuated by the same mental defense Ssytem, but willing to subject another to the inhumanity to merely free or get revenge for themselves. Similar behaviors were seen during the Slave trade era- Africans helping find, kidnap and sell people of their own race. Also seen in Hitlers Germany- jews working Withthe Nazi's to avoid the persectuion, even in the White man's Quest to seize Ameircan Indian land during the Expansion. It has taken hold with in the womans movement- willing to foregone what is best for All AmericaNs to assure one of "OURS" is put in the WH. Intentionally refuse to see Her 'experience' over the last 35 yrs in ragrds to Womens "rights" has done nothing execpt push our rights Back. Still only making $0.77 to a Man's $1.00, Roe v Wade on the ground and upto the count of 8, Childrens welfare, education and potential undermined, elder care worse then 'Warehousing', and Murder the new way to Divorce.
Real Libbers have watched not only Our Rights but our fellow Minorities rights be usurped and seized. While 'Feminist' Proclaim the fact women are more visible in the Public Square- but to little consequence in the bigger Pictue. The antiquated an doutdated ( and diversional) Organization such as NOW has been invisible an dsilent for decades, even taking up the ideology that Reverse Sexism does not constitute Sexism. When One Persons rights and freedoms AND Opportunites are forfeited or sacrificed- All Mankinds is the Victim. Libbers want equality for ALL and Reject this Short sighted, self promoting Ideology as we did when it was coming from the White male dominated Hierarchy. The Suppression of 'Yin' undermines the power and legitiamcy of 'Yang'. We will not work out of the 'handbook' of those who have suppressed and oppressed US to gain power nor maintain it.
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Posted by: bitsfick on May 12, 2008 6:22 AM
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Posted by: Q30 on May 12, 2008 6:23 AM
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This is because as feminism has progressed (and everyone admits that it has) the need for feminism evaporates. Admitting any progress whatsoever would put feminism out of business.
It is a losing proposition to acknowledge successes, which is why we keep hearing of "backlash" and how "X proves that feminism is needed more than ever" when "X" is basically anything. In effect, they're saying: We've made so much progress but we've hardly made any progress at all.
Look-around the feminist blogosphere and you'll see that they are often reduced to complaining about things like TV commercials or complaining about social ills which impact men to an even larger extent. You'll often notice that much feminist rhetoric, with unintentional irony, simply inverts the most shameless kinds of sexism because it's perfectly okay when they do it.
In fact- since the state of women's rights in the Islamic world has entered the public eye so prominently- feminist priorities have started to look so utterly clueless in the eyes of the public. Pollit recently felt compelled to circulate a petition to say, in effect, "no we actually DO care about that stuff! Really!" www.thenation.com/blogs/anotherthing?bid=25&pid=273005
Now let us commence with the predictable and tiresome accusations of misogyny (which will, of course, NEVER backed-up of substantiated). Feminism's skin has become so thin that personal attacks are now its first line of defense.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on May 12, 2008 6:55 AM
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ABSOLUTELY right.
I've argued with "pro-lifers" who said they would adamantly refuse to back a law that outlawed abortion except in cases of documented medical necessity to save a mother's life, because it would "legitimize" abortion.
I've argued with "pro-choicers" who said they would adamantly refuse to back a ban even on partial-birth abortion (which by any honest definition is infanticide) because it would erode "womens' rights."
The issue is so completely polarized that nobody can even agree on a common vocabulary, much less agree on how to find a compromise. So while we're all distracted with this issue, a tiny group of ultra-elite power brokers is driving the greatest republic the world has ever seen right off the edge of a cliff.
Marie Antionette said "let them eat cake."
Our elites just have us fight over abortion."
Or, we could say that elites try to divide the public along race, class, gender and cultural lines, and that "divide and conquer" is really the mantra of the corporate press (including the 501(c) nonprofit corporate outlets).
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Posted by: Pax99 on May 12, 2008 6:58 AM
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If it wasn't so damned tragic it would be funny how much the US is becoming exactly what they claim to hate and what they claim to be fighting in Iraq. Where's the logic in becoming a clone of what you claim to be opposed to? Follow the money trail....and the fact that Bush has bought retirement property on another continent.
Land of the free? Spare me, when you don't even control your own genitalia you don't even have visiting rights with free. Pretty nasty wake up call to the young ones who wondered what the hell the old shool femisists were on about, we can only hope they heard it in time.
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Posted by: fearless flower on May 12, 2008 8:13 AM
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1. Strip a woman of her identity and brand her as property of a man by having her take her father's name at birth and then give it up for another man's name at the time of marriage.
2. Cause her to be the house slave to her husband and family, her whole purpose in life being celebrated as birth giver and care taker.
3. Punish her for embracing this role by kicking her out of the hospital a day after giving birth or three days after having a C-section. And if she has the audacity to try to be a working woman, deny her maternity leave and a social worker to help her at home during her recovery. And let's not forget to pass laws that make it difficult or impossible for her to make decisions about having more children.
4. Reward her faithful service as a stay at home full time home maker by denying her any social security earnings during the many years it took to care full time for her growing children. Don't even think about compensating her with government money for doing "the holiest of occupations." After all, a mother's work is its own reward, is it not?
5. If and when her husband tires of her and goes off with another, or if she decides to get out because of abuse, don't bother to pass stiff child support laws and enforce them. After all, it must have been the woman's fault the marriage didn't last, right?
6. Deny vigorously that there remains any discrimination against women in this country and accuse any who complain of it of being losers and malcontents.
Only a woman who has been through these things can know what I'm talking about. But you know what? These are the very things that make women so powerful in the end. That's why I believe the religious right is doomed to hang itself with its own rope.
I never thought I'd hear myself say such things, coming from my background as a very religious person and stay at home mother for many years. Marriage only works if people are perfect and sinless. In other words, it doesn't work. The best thing society can do is to plan on its failure and make sure that women are not hurt by it more than men.
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Posted by: Iconoclast421 on May 12, 2008 8:47 AM
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Conservative Christians?
Bla, bla bla, bla blee bla bla?
First of all republicans and the democrats are equal in blame right now. But thats beside the point because it is bipartisan groups such as the CFR that really control things.
And I bet you dont even know what a conservative is. Hell, most Bush voters dont even know what it means to be conservative. Conservative is being against doubling the budget of the federal government. There's a whole laundry list of things that arent conservative about so called conservatives. But that dont matter to you does it? Yet somehow you expect to be taken seriously.
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Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on May 12, 2008 9:13 AM
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Of course he can't do any reports of the Pentagon phony pundits, Band of Liars Story so Hillary bashing is what it seems he and MSNBC are myopically focused on..
It's also rather interesting how women turn on their own the way they do, down right savage if you ask me..
Why does our corrupted fascist corporate media want the Democrats to nominate Obama so badly..I wonder..?
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain..it's only David Rockefeller and those wonderful Bilderberers..
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Posted by: e rice on May 12, 2008 9:14 AM
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then, she decided to campaign against women right's by going on lecture tours, for which she was paid. extremely well paid. by the american women who shelled out their money to listen to her.
american women listened to a rich, harvard law school graduate, whose children were being raised by nannies while she worked at destroying women's rights, listened to her tell them that they shouldn't get a degree, as she had, shouldn't leave their children in someone's else's care in order to work, as she had, should be satisfied with husbands' incomes that didn't begin to approach her own husband's income.
american women listened--and agreed--in great numbers and helped defeat the ERA (schafly lied about it, telling her audiences that it would force women to share public restrooms with men--yes, that was a major problem, according to schafly).
american women went on to ignore or accept the sexualization of ever younger girls in the name of beauty pageants and media exploitation. went on to ignore or accept the increasing brutalization of this culture by the media and computer games creators. continued to push their daughters to become popular in high school, even if they had to become unpaid whores to do so. bought the magazines that told them to do anything to please a man, that the best thing they could do for themselves was marry a man with money.
most of the american women who benefitted from feminists' efforts to ensure equal education and equal pay for women, who increasingly entered male-dominated professions (though not at equal pay) went on to proclaim and insist that they were not feminists--even though they were perfectly happy to take the opportunities feminists created.
how many american women know anything about the ledbetter case? or care? did they take to the streets in protest?
american women voted for the scum that destroyed the middle class and increased the povery of the poor. just like their men.
did american women protest when insurance companies paid for viagra but refused to pay for birth control, even for endometriosis?
american women are as self-destructive and ignorant as the majority of american men. so why the surprise at schafly's newest degree?
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Posted by: Bearzerker on May 12, 2008 12:18 PM
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and easy control starts with women and children!
so women everywhere...
if your feeling oppressed and distressed... walk out and start over...
its never too late to find happiness, as happiness is rarely found from another's vision of the Godhead...
Happiness emanates from inside of you no matter your race creed sex or orientation...
Throw off the husks of the mentalists and find like minded individuals that will help you realize YOUR potential!
yeah God IS real... but his temple is you!
so take care of it
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Posted by: Love Me, I'm a Liberal on May 12, 2008 12:25 PM
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fifty fucking years of calling us names.
Can we trade title nine for an end to hate crime?
RU-486 if we suck your fucking dick?
One step forward, five steps back.
One cool record in the year of rock-rap.
Yeah we got all the power getting stabbed in the shower and we got equal rights on ladies night. Feminists we're calling you.
Please report to the front desk.
Let's name this phenomenon.
It's too dumb to bring us down.
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Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on May 12, 2008 1:18 PM
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They can use prostitutes if they want, they can kill them if they want.
They can kill anyone if they want. The game gives the player freedom to make an incredibly wide variety of choices.
Don't blame the game just because some players choose to kill prostitutes in it.
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Posted by: realmuzik on May 12, 2008 1:18 PM
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A new, hopefully worldwide discussion on this topic is beginning here. The chronic issue at-hand is that feminists are divided on too many issues we should be "together" on. We have become polarizing and self-serving, living "in our own worlds." We need to get out of these "own worlds" and come together on common grounds such as reproductive freedom, pay equity, and advocating for a better culture and society that doesn't insult, discriminate, marginalize, and stigmatize. Enough with the bashing, trashing, and cat-fighting. Children and teenagers are buying into images and messages that are not good for them at all. Too many of their parents see FOX News, Entertainment Tonight, and TMZ as their most reliable news sources anywhere. That's why feminism is more necessary than ever. The time is now to get organized starting these conversations.
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Posted by: WyrdSister on May 12, 2008 1:44 PM
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Until about 1900 B. C., the natives of Greece were peaceful, agrarian people, who lived in scattered, independent villages and followed a female-dominated religion. In these matriarchal societies, the Great Goddess or Mother Goddess personified Mother Earth (Gaia) and was the supreme deity. She was the source of all human life and the source of all food. To survive, societies needed to produce children and to produce food. They knew how dependent they were upon the blessings of the Great Goddess, and they worshipped her properly so they would receive those blessings.
The queen personified the Great Goddess, and she wielded great political, economic, social, and religious power. Other women were considered daughters of the Great Goddess. Thus, all women in the matriarchal society were highly valued, and women held a superior position to men in society. Women were the heads of their families, and inheritance passed from a mother to her daughters, with the youngest daughter being most important because, presumably, she would be the last to die and thus would continue the family line the longest. Children were reared by their mother and her brother, while the father lived in the home of his mother and helped rear his sister's children. The children's primary moral obligations were to their mother and their siblings.
When the male's role in procreation became understood and valued, the queen took a husband, called the sacred king, for one year. At first, he was her brother or her son, but later he was a youth who symbolized her son. Many youths competed for the great honor of being sacred king. They had to win many contests involving physical strength and the skillful use of the bow.
Each spring, when the seeds of the new crops were sown, the past year's sacred king would be sacrificed as part of a major religious ceremony. The priestesses of the Mother Goddess would eat his flesh in order to acquire his powers of fertility, and the fields and farm animals would be sprinkled with his blood so they too would become fertile. Then in a religious ceremony the queen would take a new sacred king for the coming year.
Early Europeans in this area worshipped earth goddesses under many names; for example, Pandora, Athena, Aphrodite, Artemis, and Hera. However, no matter which name was used, the earth goddess was worshipped in order to assure the human family health, prosperity, and fertility in personal and in agricultural terms.
By 2100 B.C., aggressive patriarchal tribes worshipping a supreme male god who was a father-figure or a successful warrior had begun to invade many matriarchal communities. They brought with them a new social and political order in which males dominated. Kings gained enough power to change the old social system to one in which kings ruled by heredity and animals were sacrificed to win the favor of the gods.
Under the Greek invaders, the principal god became male (Zeus). With the support of his religion, the king established himself as the principal ruler of the community, and inheritance usually fell upon the oldest son. Daughters became the property of their fathers, bestowed in marriage as their father chose. Wives became the subject to the wills of their husbands. The role and status of women was greatly decreased.
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In Greek Mythology, Pandora is transformed from an earth goddess, the bringer of life-giving gifts to humans, to a mortal woman who is the source of all evils and responsible for all the sufferings that will afflict human beings form that time forth. This myth, like other Greek myths, illustrates the attitudes of a male-dominated society.
Source: Rosenberg, Donna and Dorelle Baker. Mythology and You. Lincolnwood, IL: National Textbook Company, 1992. pp. 112 - 115
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Posted by: Phenix on May 12, 2008 3:26 PM
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So often comments on here have nothing to do with the article. I do not know why feminism is retreating but it certainly has something to do with the landslide of propaganda directed towards every person in this country. Another reason can be that conservative women are having more babies than feminists. The entire quiverful (sp?) movement is an example.
There is entirely too much hate in this comment section and so little worthwhile commentary. Just my two cents.
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Posted by: zhine on May 12, 2008 5:20 PM
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I don't know what has become of the old spirit of feminism. From what I understand it was something that held women up as useful, diverse and capable. Now it just seems as though the whole idea, that of women being equal beings in their own right, has fallen away, to be replaced once again by anger, hatred and divisiveness.
Sad to see one half of our society demonized this way. Sadder still to see that a good portion of them don't stand up and fight for their rights.
Also distressing is the man-hater aspect of things. I often see women bringing up legitimate wrongs only to be called down as man-haters, as radicals (what's wrong with being radical?), as being stupid. It's disturbing. What's even more diturbing is that I read posts by men that seem to have met women just like the above description.
It's as if there is some covert program out there designed to make women hate men for being men and men hate women for being women. The disturbing part is that they seem to use real-life stories to back their claims.
I can't see how a women would want to be considered a feminist if it meant alienating all men. I can't see how men would want to support feminist women if they get called down for it. I can't see any side making any progress while all they do is shriek at each other, calling each other names and acting bitter and hurt.
That's why these articles get to me. It's the rampant divisiveness that I find so shocking, and so sad.
Feminism has become as knee-jerk a term as Communism. And that is truly sad.
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Posted by: BlueGorilla on May 12, 2008 5:23 PM
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Sadly the Republicans have continued to keep alive, and at times reactivated,outdated ideas.They mouth a christianity which would be unrecognisable to Jesus.This is done by careful selection,and misinterpretation.I am not a Christian,but my Christian friends in the UK,despair at the snake oil salesmanship,of right wing evangelism.
In many ways ,the anti-feminism of some Republican's mirror's The Taleban.Their is a medievalism in both group's approach to women.
Apple pie motherhood,is not even an option for most women,and not really desirable for many either.Going out to work,or not, may be an option for women,, born to wealth and comfort,as it is for privileged men.
Women are used here, as an unpaid domestic army,to drudge and live lives,centred around children and (head of the house)husband.At times when the economy has greater use for their labour,they are encouraged back into the workplace.The contradiction is that some women who,have managed to have career's have done so,through the employment of virtual and actual slave labour,in the form of domestic help.Why the hell,their spouse can't do his share around the house I don't know?
In my own household,my dad went out to work,and my mum worked part-time.Gender roles were rigid and strict. It felt as if,he was on the low side of the social scale,but my mum was even lower.She was smarter,but never developed her potentially massive talents.Working class women always seemed to get the worst deal.
The ideal partnership,to ultra-conservative Republican's,is not even a viable reality,for most women.Such rightwinger's display a pathetic ignorance,of the economic realities of life for millions of people. The waste of life and potential,this "ideal"family , would bring to women,would though be an abomination.
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Posted by: PaulK on May 12, 2008 10:38 PM
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This term was not the tiniest bit fair. Feminists don't arm street gangs with fighting weapons and tell them to smash thousands of shop windows belonging to a particular minority in a single night, as the German National Socialist Party did. Equating any nonviolent American political group with the Nazi Party is a perjorative.
In this case the perjorative has extra meanings. Calling individual women Nazis is fighting words, and women, despite numbers of individual women taking self-defense classes, can still be physically intimidated by a male who weighs 50 pounds more than her.
Finally, there's a whole male-driven demeaning sadomasochistic subtext to calling a woman a Nazi.
If a radio talk show host is saying it, someone out there must be lapping it up. I grieve that much of the same hurtful behavior takes place on both ends of the radio, listener and speaker.
Have I ever heard right wing talk radio discuss people of color with such callous hatred? No. Even Rush L. can't say the N-word on radio.
I understand the pride many feminists have in Hillary, just as I understand the pride the black community has in Obama. However, women are not equal yet. Not by a long shot.
I write as a man, telling you to reach out to the men in your lives. Try to see their gender stupidity (in most cases) as simply they didn't learn how to be civil, high school never taught that class, and so now you're going to help them.
If you have a hardened man in your life who won't hear anything from you because you're a woman, I'm sorry. You might try seeking out a friendly man who can explain it to him.
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I'm sure I agree with her on little else, but the above seems to be true because feminism has always been about selective equality, which is not Equality.
Even Pollitt at her hyperventilating best can't obscure the fact that the feminist concerns herself very little with those evils which do not furnish her with a text for recriminations against men. This makes her charges of sexism ring rather hollow.
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Posted by: e rice on May 13, 2008 9:08 PM
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the pay gap between men and women in america is greater than that of nearly any other industrialized country.
if there are so many men who like women, why are they not demanding fair pay for their mothers, wives, sistes and daughters?
insurance companies refuse to cover birth control pills, even when they are prescriped for endometriosis, an agonizing disease that leads to hysterectomy and even death.
if there are so many men who like women, why are they not demanding that insurance companies pay for treatment for this disease?
the mortality rate for pregnant women in this country is higher than about 18 other countries.
if there are so many men who like women, why is there no demand for better medical treatment for pregnant women in this country?
there are something like 6-7 rapes comitted every hour of every day in the year in this country. women are beaten daily by their husbands.
if there are so many men who like women in this country, where's the outrage? where's the male-led anti-rape anti-abluse protest or movement? why are so few men publicly criticizing the sort of men who harm women?
why aren't men who like women demanding that this country equal the e.u. in women's rights and opportunites?
why aren't men objecting to insurance companies paying for viagra, instead of life-saving treatments for men, as well as women? after all, men's insurance premiums include this cost. remember that next time you complain about your premium.
why is it that justice and equality for women is based on women's perceived emotions, and not on human decency? we'll treat you fairly when you stop hating us is extortion.
i don't remember anyone telling black people they would get their rights once they stopped hating white people. maybe i missed something.
men, do something unamerican--start honestly examining your own actions and beliefs before you dismiss american wemen for hating men. start demanding decent law-abiding behavior from your fellow men.
maybe, if american men showed any character and moral courage, the women who hate men might just start changing their minds.
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Posted by: rickiey on May 15, 2008 7:35 PM
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Maybe women are strong enough that they can negotiate it for themselves, because they can make themselves too valuable for the employer to lose via misogynistic pay practices.
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Posted by: Angela Hayden ART GODDESS on May 10, 2008 9:53 AM
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Some men believe its a pain in the ass for women to want equal rights. Hell, my mama raised five kids on her own after my drunken, abusive father left. He broke her nose twice and nearly killed me. She didn't have time to think about being a feminist. She was just a poor woman trying to survive in our society.
She sure as hell didn't expect to be raising us on her own. She did have to go on welfare, food stamps and student aid to get her nursing degree. She was a damned welfare mom. She worked full time at night and went to school full-time during the day. We didn't see much of her for four years.
She couldn't find a boyfriend that wanted to marry a woman with five kids. She got a job after four years on welfare and supported us. She died at the age of 45 from leukemia. I think it was pure exhaustion.
After I repeated the circle of violence and married an abusive man, I too left and became a damned welfare mom. I too collected food stamps and received aid to go to college. My two daughters were on Medicaid. After two years on welfare, I too got a job and tried to support my family. The whopping $200 a month in child support really didn't help much. Especially since daycare was $100 a week. My job paid $38,000. It sucked. I had a nervous breakdown. I didn't have any family around to help me. My mom, dad, grandmother and grandfather we dead. I couldn't afford to stay home when my youngest was sick and daycare wouldn't accept her either. I was always getting in trouble at work because I'd have to leave because something was going on with one of the girls from ear infections to head-lice.
I sure as hell wasn't thinking about being a feminist during all that hell. I was thinking about surviving.
Now that I do have time to think about being a feminist, I think I am. I'm a feminist and I believe in equal rights for everyone. I'm thankful to have married a good man and am enjoying getting to know what goodness is.
Sincerely,
Angela Hayden
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Posted by: mandiwrite on May 12, 2008 3:56 AM
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It's important to figure it out, you see, because I live in the so-called developing world, in a country where our no doubt backward constitution enshrines gender equality (we even offer our gay friends the right to get married); but perhaps we should follow your lead and pay no attention to those rights. I mean, surely the USA doesn't operate on the principle of "Do as I say, not as I do"?
Hmmm. Maybe not. After all, this is the country which asks us to throw open our doors to global business, no holds barred - but continues to protect its own farmers and industries (like the steel industry). So I guess it's OK for you guys to behave like a bunch of rednecks, talking about 'ma woman' and how givin' her a good beatin' is good for her... while expecting the rest of the world to observe faithfully those rights you disrespect.
Not! How about removing the veils from *your* female citizens before you go getting all self-righteous about the veils in our countries?
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Posted by: Purple Girl on May 12, 2008 4:28 AM
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However the most disturbing is the division of 'Feminist' and Libber. Perhaps perpetuated by the same mental defense Ssytem, but willing to subject another to the inhumanity to merely free or get revenge for themselves. Similar behaviors were seen during the Slave trade era- Africans helping find, kidnap and sell people of their own race. Also seen in Hitlers Germany- jews working Withthe Nazi's to avoid the persectuion, even in the White man's Quest to seize Ameircan Indian land during the Expansion. It has taken hold with in the womans movement- willing to foregone what is best for All AmericaNs to assure one of "OURS" is put in the WH. Intentionally refuse to see Her 'experience' over the last 35 yrs in ragrds to Womens "rights" has done nothing execpt push our rights Back. Still only making $0.77 to a Man's $1.00, Roe v Wade on the ground and upto the count of 8, Childrens welfare, education and potential undermined, elder care worse then 'Warehousing', and Murder the new way to Divorce.
Real Libbers have watched not only Our Rights but our fellow Minorities rights be usurped and seized. While 'Feminist' Proclaim the fact women are more visible in the Public Square- but to little consequence in the bigger Pictue. The antiquated an doutdated ( and diversional) Organization such as NOW has been invisible an dsilent for decades, even taking up the ideology that Reverse Sexism does not constitute Sexism. When One Persons rights and freedoms AND Opportunites are forfeited or sacrificed- All Mankinds is the Victim. Libbers want equality for ALL and Reject this Short sighted, self promoting Ideology as we did when it was coming from the White male dominated Hierarchy. The Suppression of 'Yin' undermines the power and legitiamcy of 'Yang'. We will not work out of the 'handbook' of those who have suppressed and oppressed US to gain power nor maintain it.
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Posted by: Q30 on May 12, 2008 6:23 AM
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This is because as feminism has progressed (and everyone admits that it has) the need for feminism evaporates. Admitting any progress whatsoever would put feminism out of business.
It is a losing proposition to acknowledge successes, which is why we keep hearing of "backlash" and how "X proves that feminism is needed more than ever" when "X" is basically anything. In effect, they're saying: We've made so much progress but we've hardly made any progress at all.
Look-around the feminist blogosphere and you'll see that they are often reduced to complaining about things like TV commercials or complaining about social ills which impact men to an even larger extent. You'll often notice that much feminist rhetoric, with unintentional irony, simply inverts the most shameless kinds of sexism because it's perfectly okay when they do it.
In fact- since the state of women's rights in the Islamic world has entered the public eye so prominently- feminist priorities have started to look so utterly clueless in the eyes of the public. Pollit recently felt compelled to circulate a petition to say, in effect, "no we actually DO care about that stuff! Really!" www.thenation.com/blogs/anotherthing?bid=25&pid=273005
Now let us commence with the predictable and tiresome accusations of misogyny (which will, of course, NEVER backed-up of substantiated). Feminism's skin has become so thin that personal attacks are now its first line of defense.
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ABSOLUTELY right.
I've argued with "pro-lifers" who said they would adamantly refuse to back a law that outlawed abortion except in cases of documented medical necessity to save a mother's life, because it would "legitimize" abortion.
I've argued with "pro-choicers" who said they would adamantly refuse to back a ban even on partial-birth abortion (which by any honest definition is infanticide) because it would erode "womens' rights."
The issue is so completely polarized that nobody can even agree on a common vocabulary, much less agree on how to find a compromise. So while we're all distracted with this issue, a tiny group of ultra-elite power brokers is driving the greatest republic the world has ever seen right off the edge of a cliff.
Marie Antionette said "let them eat cake."
Our elites just have us fight over abortion."
Or, we could say that elites try to divide the public along race, class, gender and cultural lines, and that "divide and conquer" is really the mantra of the corporate press (including the 501(c) nonprofit corporate outlets).
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If it wasn't so damned tragic it would be funny how much the US is becoming exactly what they claim to hate and what they claim to be fighting in Iraq. Where's the logic in becoming a clone of what you claim to be opposed to? Follow the money trail....and the fact that Bush has bought retirement property on another continent.
Land of the free? Spare me, when you don't even control your own genitalia you don't even have visiting rights with free. Pretty nasty wake up call to the young ones who wondered what the hell the old shool femisists were on about, we can only hope they heard it in time.
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1. Strip a woman of her identity and brand her as property of a man by having her take her father's name at birth and then give it up for another man's name at the time of marriage.
2. Cause her to be the house slave to her husband and family, her whole purpose in life being celebrated as birth giver and care taker.
3. Punish her for embracing this role by kicking her out of the hospital a day after giving birth or three days after having a C-section. And if she has the audacity to try to be a working woman, deny her maternity leave and a social worker to help her at home during her recovery. And let's not forget to pass laws that make it difficult or impossible for her to make decisions about having more children.
4. Reward her faithful service as a stay at home full time home maker by denying her any social security earnings during the many years it took to care full time for her growing children. Don't even think about compensating her with government money for doing "the holiest of occupations." After all, a mother's work is its own reward, is it not?
5. If and when her husband tires of her and goes off with another, or if she decides to get out because of abuse, don't bother to pass stiff child support laws and enforce them. After all, it must have been the woman's fault the marriage didn't last, right?
6. Deny vigorously that there remains any discrimination against women in this country and accuse any who complain of it of being losers and malcontents.
Only a woman who has been through these things can know what I'm talking about. But you know what? These are the very things that make women so powerful in the end. That's why I believe the religious right is doomed to hang itself with its own rope.
I never thought I'd hear myself say such things, coming from my background as a very religious person and stay at home mother for many years. Marriage only works if people are perfect and sinless. In other words, it doesn't work. The best thing society can do is to plan on its failure and make sure that women are not hurt by it more than men.
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Conservative Christians?
Bla, bla bla, bla blee bla bla?
First of all republicans and the democrats are equal in blame right now. But thats beside the point because it is bipartisan groups such as the CFR that really control things.
And I bet you dont even know what a conservative is. Hell, most Bush voters dont even know what it means to be conservative. Conservative is being against doubling the budget of the federal government. There's a whole laundry list of things that arent conservative about so called conservatives. But that dont matter to you does it? Yet somehow you expect to be taken seriously.
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Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on May 12, 2008 9:13 AM
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Of course he can't do any reports of the Pentagon phony pundits, Band of Liars Story so Hillary bashing is what it seems he and MSNBC are myopically focused on..
It's also rather interesting how women turn on their own the way they do, down right savage if you ask me..
Why does our corrupted fascist corporate media want the Democrats to nominate Obama so badly..I wonder..?
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain..it's only David Rockefeller and those wonderful Bilderberers..
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Posted by: e rice on May 12, 2008 9:14 AM
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then, she decided to campaign against women right's by going on lecture tours, for which she was paid. extremely well paid. by the american women who shelled out their money to listen to her.
american women listened to a rich, harvard law school graduate, whose children were being raised by nannies while she worked at destroying women's rights, listened to her tell them that they shouldn't get a degree, as she had, shouldn't leave their children in someone's else's care in order to work, as she had, should be satisfied with husbands' incomes that didn't begin to approach her own husband's income.
american women listened--and agreed--in great numbers and helped defeat the ERA (schafly lied about it, telling her audiences that it would force women to share public restrooms with men--yes, that was a major problem, according to schafly).
american women went on to ignore or accept the sexualization of ever younger girls in the name of beauty pageants and media exploitation. went on to ignore or accept the increasing brutalization of this culture by the media and computer games creators. continued to push their daughters to become popular in high school, even if they had to become unpaid whores to do so. bought the magazines that told them to do anything to please a man, that the best thing they could do for themselves was marry a man with money.
most of the american women who benefitted from feminists' efforts to ensure equal education and equal pay for women, who increasingly entered male-dominated professions (though not at equal pay) went on to proclaim and insist that they were not feminists--even though they were perfectly happy to take the opportunities feminists created.
how many american women know anything about the ledbetter case? or care? did they take to the streets in protest?
american women voted for the scum that destroyed the middle class and increased the povery of the poor. just like their men.
did american women protest when insurance companies paid for viagra but refused to pay for birth control, even for endometriosis?
american women are as self-destructive and ignorant as the majority of american men. so why the surprise at schafly's newest degree?
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and easy control starts with women and children!
so women everywhere...
if your feeling oppressed and distressed... walk out and start over...
its never too late to find happiness, as happiness is rarely found from another's vision of the Godhead...
Happiness emanates from inside of you no matter your race creed sex or orientation...
Throw off the husks of the mentalists and find like minded individuals that will help you realize YOUR potential!
yeah God IS real... but his temple is you!
so take care of it
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Posted by: Love Me, I'm a Liberal on May 12, 2008 12:25 PM
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fifty fucking years of calling us names.
Can we trade title nine for an end to hate crime?
RU-486 if we suck your fucking dick?
One step forward, five steps back.
One cool record in the year of rock-rap.
Yeah we got all the power getting stabbed in the shower and we got equal rights on ladies night. Feminists we're calling you.
Please report to the front desk.
Let's name this phenomenon.
It's too dumb to bring us down.
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They can use prostitutes if they want, they can kill them if they want.
They can kill anyone if they want. The game gives the player freedom to make an incredibly wide variety of choices.
Don't blame the game just because some players choose to kill prostitutes in it.
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Posted by: realmuzik on May 12, 2008 1:18 PM
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A new, hopefully worldwide discussion on this topic is beginning here. The chronic issue at-hand is that feminists are divided on too many issues we should be "together" on. We have become polarizing and self-serving, living "in our own worlds." We need to get out of these "own worlds" and come together on common grounds such as reproductive freedom, pay equity, and advocating for a better culture and society that doesn't insult, discriminate, marginalize, and stigmatize. Enough with the bashing, trashing, and cat-fighting. Children and teenagers are buying into images and messages that are not good for them at all. Too many of their parents see FOX News, Entertainment Tonight, and TMZ as their most reliable news sources anywhere. That's why feminism is more necessary than ever. The time is now to get organized starting these conversations.
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Until about 1900 B. C., the natives of Greece were peaceful, agrarian people, who lived in scattered, independent villages and followed a female-dominated religion. In these matriarchal societies, the Great Goddess or Mother Goddess personified Mother Earth (Gaia) and was the supreme deity. She was the source of all human life and the source of all food. To survive, societies needed to produce children and to produce food. They knew how dependent they were upon the blessings of the Great Goddess, and they worshipped her properly so they would receive those blessings.
The queen personified the Great Goddess, and she wielded great political, economic, social, and religious power. Other women were considered daughters of the Great Goddess. Thus, all women in the matriarchal society were highly valued, and women held a superior position to men in society. Women were the heads of their families, and inheritance passed from a mother to her daughters, with the youngest daughter being most important because, presumably, she would be the last to die and thus would continue the family line the longest. Children were reared by their mother and her brother, while the father lived in the home of his mother and helped rear his sister's children. The children's primary moral obligations were to their mother and their siblings.
When the male's role in procreation became understood and valued, the queen took a husband, called the sacred king, for one year. At first, he was her brother or her son, but later he was a youth who symbolized her son. Many youths competed for the great honor of being sacred king. They had to win many contests involving physical strength and the skillful use of the bow.
Each spring, when the seeds of the new crops were sown, the past year's sacred king would be sacrificed as part of a major religious ceremony. The priestesses of the Mother Goddess would eat his flesh in order to acquire his powers of fertility, and the fields and farm animals would be sprinkled with his blood so they too would become fertile. Then in a religious ceremony the queen would take a new sacred king for the coming year.
Early Europeans in this area worshipped earth goddesses under many names; for example, Pandora, Athena, Aphrodite, Artemis, and Hera. However, no matter which name was used, the earth goddess was worshipped in order to assure the human family health, prosperity, and fertility in personal and in agricultural terms.
By 2100 B.C., aggressive patriarchal tribes worshipping a supreme male god who was a father-figure or a successful warrior had begun to invade many matriarchal communities. They brought with them a new social and political order in which males dominated. Kings gained enough power to change the old social system to one in which kings ruled by heredity and animals were sacrificed to win the favor of the gods.
Under the Greek invaders, the principal god became male (Zeus). With the support of his religion, the king established himself as the principal ruler of the community, and inheritance usually fell upon the oldest son. Daughters became the property of their fathers, bestowed in marriage as their father chose. Wives became the subject to the wills of their husbands. The role and status of women was greatly decreased.
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In Greek Mythology, Pandora is transformed from an earth goddess, the bringer of life-giving gifts to humans, to a mortal woman who is the source of all evils and responsible for all the sufferings that will afflict human beings form that time forth. This myth, like other Greek myths, illustrates the attitudes of a male-dominated society.
Source: Rosenberg, Donna and Dorelle Baker. Mythology and You. Lincolnwood, IL: National Textbook Company, 1992. pp. 112 - 115
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So often comments on here have nothing to do with the article. I do not know why feminism is retreating but it certainly has something to do with the landslide of propaganda directed towards every person in this country. Another reason can be that conservative women are having more babies than feminists. The entire quiverful (sp?) movement is an example.
There is entirely too much hate in this comment section and so little worthwhile commentary. Just my two cents.
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I don't know what has become of the old spirit of feminism. From what I understand it was something that held women up as useful, diverse and capable. Now it just seems as though the whole idea, that of women being equal beings in their own right, has fallen away, to be replaced once again by anger, hatred and divisiveness.
Sad to see one half of our society demonized this way. Sadder still to see that a good portion of them don't stand up and fight for their rights.
Also distressing is the man-hater aspect of things. I often see women bringing up legitimate wrongs only to be called down as man-haters, as radicals (what's wrong with being radical?), as being stupid. It's disturbing. What's even more diturbing is that I read posts by men that seem to have met women just like the above description.
It's as if there is some covert program out there designed to make women hate men for being men and men hate women for being women. The disturbing part is that they seem to use real-life stories to back their claims.
I can't see how a women would want to be considered a feminist if it meant alienating all men. I can't see how men would want to support feminist women if they get called down for it. I can't see any side making any progress while all they do is shriek at each other, calling each other names and acting bitter and hurt.
That's why these articles get to me. It's the rampant divisiveness that I find so shocking, and so sad.
Feminism has become as knee-jerk a term as Communism. And that is truly sad.
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Posted by: BlueGorilla on May 12, 2008 5:23 PM
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Sadly the Republicans have continued to keep alive, and at times reactivated,outdated ideas.They mouth a christianity which would be unrecognisable to Jesus.This is done by careful selection,and misinterpretation.I am not a Christian,but my Christian friends in the UK,despair at the snake oil salesmanship,of right wing evangelism.
In many ways ,the anti-feminism of some Republican's mirror's The Taleban.Their is a medievalism in both group's approach to women.
Apple pie motherhood,is not even an option for most women,and not really desirable for many either.Going out to work,or not, may be an option for women,, born to wealth and comfort,as it is for privileged men.
Women are used here, as an unpaid domestic army,to drudge and live lives,centred around children and (head of the house)husband.At times when the economy has greater use for their labour,they are encouraged back into the workplace.The contradiction is that some women who,have managed to have career's have done so,through the employment of virtual and actual slave labour,in the form of domestic help.Why the hell,their spouse can't do his share around the house I don't know?
In my own household,my dad went out to work,and my mum worked part-time.Gender roles were rigid and strict. It felt as if,he was on the low side of the social scale,but my mum was even lower.She was smarter,but never developed her potentially massive talents.Working class women always seemed to get the worst deal.
The ideal partnership,to ultra-conservative Republican's,is not even a viable reality,for most women.Such rightwinger's display a pathetic ignorance,of the economic realities of life for millions of people. The waste of life and potential,this "ideal"family , would bring to women,would though be an abomination.
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Posted by: PaulK on May 12, 2008 10:38 PM
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This term was not the tiniest bit fair. Feminists don't arm street gangs with fighting weapons and tell them to smash thousands of shop windows belonging to a particular minority in a single night, as the German National Socialist Party did. Equating any nonviolent American political group with the Nazi Party is a perjorative.
In this case the perjorative has extra meanings. Calling individual women Nazis is fighting words, and women, despite numbers of individual women taking self-defense classes, can still be physically intimidated by a male who weighs 50 pounds more than her.
Finally, there's a whole male-driven demeaning sadomasochistic subtext to calling a woman a Nazi.
If a radio talk show host is saying it, someone out there must be lapping it up. I grieve that much of the same hurtful behavior takes place on both ends of the radio, listener and speaker.
Have I ever heard right wing talk radio discuss people of color with such callous hatred? No. Even Rush L. can't say the N-word on radio.
I understand the pride many feminists have in Hillary, just as I understand the pride the black community has in Obama. However, women are not equal yet. Not by a long shot.
I write as a man, telling you to reach out to the men in your lives. Try to see their gender stupidity (in most cases) as simply they didn't learn how to be civil, high school never taught that class, and so now you're going to help them.
If you have a hardened man in your life who won't hear anything from you because you're a woman, I'm sorry. You might try seeking out a friendly man who can explain it to him.
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I'm sure I agree with her on little else, but the above seems to be true because feminism has always been about selective equality, which is not Equality.
Even Pollitt at her hyperventilating best can't obscure the fact that the feminist concerns herself very little with those evils which do not furnish her with a text for recriminations against men. This makes her charges of sexism ring rather hollow.
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» Here's the proof that they men.
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» this is proof?
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Posted by: Logic's Edge on May 13, 2008 5:00 PM
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Posted by: e rice on May 13, 2008 9:08 PM
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the pay gap between men and women in america is greater than that of nearly any other industrialized country.
if there are so many men who like women, why are they not demanding fair pay for their mothers, wives, sistes and daughters?
insurance companies refuse to cover birth control pills, even when they are prescriped for endometriosis, an agonizing disease that leads to hysterectomy and even death.
if there are so many men who like women, why are they not demanding that insurance companies pay for treatment for this disease?
the mortality rate for pregnant women in this country is higher than about 18 other countries.
if there are so many men who like women, why is there no demand for better medical treatment for pregnant women in this country?
there are something like 6-7 rapes comitted every hour of every day in the year in this country. women are beaten daily by their husbands.
if there are so many men who like women in this country, where's the outrage? where's the male-led anti-rape anti-abluse protest or movement? why are so few men publicly criticizing the sort of men who harm women?
why aren't men who like women demanding that this country equal the e.u. in women's rights and opportunites?
why aren't men objecting to insurance companies paying for viagra, instead of life-saving treatments for men, as well as women? after all, men's insurance premiums include this cost. remember that next time you complain about your premium.
why is it that justice and equality for women is based on women's perceived emotions, and not on human decency? we'll treat you fairly when you stop hating us is extortion.
i don't remember anyone telling black people they would get their rights once they stopped hating white people. maybe i missed something.
men, do something unamerican--start honestly examining your own actions and beliefs before you dismiss american wemen for hating men. start demanding decent law-abiding behavior from your fellow men.
maybe, if american men showed any character and moral courage, the women who hate men might just start changing their minds.
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Posted by: rickiey on May 15, 2008 7:35 PM
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Maybe women are strong enough that they can negotiate it for themselves, because they can make themselves too valuable for the employer to lose via misogynistic pay practices.
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