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Reproductive Justice and Gender

Men Explain Things to Me

By Rebecca Solnit, Tomdispatch.com. Posted April 14, 2008.


Facts didn't get in their way.
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I still don't know why Sallie and I bothered to go to that party in the forest slope above Aspen. The people were all older than us and dull in a distinguished way, old enough that we, at forty-ish, passed as the occasion's young ladies. The house was great -- if you like Ralph Lauren-style chalets -- a rugged luxury cabin at 9,000 feet complete with elk antlers, lots of kilims, and a wood-burning stove. We were preparing to leave, when our host said, "No, stay a little longer so I can talk to you." He was an imposing man who'd made a lot of money.

He kept us waiting while the other guests drifted out into the summer night, and then sat us down at his authentically grainy wood table and said to me, "So? I hear you've written a couple of books."

I replied, "Several, actually."

He said, in the way you encourage your friend's seven-year-old to describe flute practice, "And what are they about?"

They were actually about quite a few different things, the six or seven out by then, but I began to speak only of the most recent on that summer day in 2003, River of Shadows: Eadweard Muybridge and the Technological Wild West, my book on the annihilation of time and space and the industrialization of everyday life.

He cut me off soon after I mentioned Muybridge. "And have you heard about the very important Muybridge book that came out this year?"

So caught up was I in my assigned role as ingnue that I was perfectly willing to entertain the possibility that another book on the same subject had come out simultaneously and I'd somehow missed it. He was already telling me about the very important book -- with that smug look I know so well in a man holding forth, eyes fixed on the fuzzy far horizon of his own authority.

Here, let me just say that my life is well-sprinkled with lovely men, with a long succession of editors who have, since I was young, listened and encouraged and published me, with my infinitely generous younger brother, with splendid friends of whom it could be said -- like the Clerk in The Canterbury Tales I still remember from Mr. Pelen's class on Chaucer -- "gladly would he learn and gladly teach." Still, there are these other men, too. So, Mr. Very Important was going on smugly about this book I should have known when Sallie interrupted him to say, "That's her book." Or tried to interrupt him anyway.

But he just continued on his way. She had to say, "That's her book" three or four times before he finally took it in. And then, as if in a nineteenth-century novel, he went ashen. That I was indeed the author of the very important book it turned out he hadn't read, just read about in the New York Times Book Review a few months earlier, so confused the neat categories into which his world was sorted that he was stunned speechless -- for a moment, before he began holding forth again. Being women, we were politely out of earshot before we started laughing, and we've never really stopped.

I like incidents of that sort, when forces that are usually so sneaky and hard to point out slither out of the grass and are as obvious as, say, an anaconda that's eaten a cow or an elephant turd on the carpet.

When River of Shadows came out, some pedant wrote a snarky letter to the New York Times explaining that, though Muybridge had made improvements in camera technology, he had not made any breakthroughs in photographic chemistry. The guy had no idea what he was talking about. Both Philip Prodger, in his wonderful book on Muybridge, and I had actually researched the subject and made it clear that Muybridge had done something obscure but powerful to the wet-plate technology of the time to speed it up amazingly, but letters to the editor don't get fact-checked. And perhaps because the book was about the virile subjects of cinema and technology, the Men Who Knew came out of the woodwork.

A British academic wrote in to the London Review of Books with all kinds of nitpicking corrections and complaints, all of them from outer space. He carped, for example, that to aggrandize Muybridge's standing I left out technological predecessors like Henry R. Heyl. He'd apparently not read the book all the way to page 202 or checked the index, since Heyl was there (though his contribution was just not very significant). Surely one of these men has died of embarrassment, but not nearly publicly enough.

The Slippery Slope of Silencings

Yes, guys like this pick on other men's books too, and people of both genders pop up at events to hold forth on irrelevant things and conspiracy theories, but the out-and-out confrontational confidence of the totally ignorant is, in my experience, gendered. Men explain things to me, and other women, whether or not they know what they're talking about. Some men.


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So many men, so little time; Rebecca Solnit left out hundreds more anecdotes of her own and her friends' experiences of being hectored to craft this tirade, which should in no way be taken as an endorsement of Hillary Clinton. She is on chapter eighteen of her next book.

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Great read
Posted by: odie-wan on Apr 14, 2008 12:25 AM   
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I so enjoyed reading this article and found myself nodding in agreement as I read. "Men who know things" Fabulous phrase. I like it. I have encountered these creatures many times in my life and it is with a certain weariness that I confront them now.

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» RE: Great read Posted by: AMerrickanGirl
» RE: Great read Posted by: fringedweller
Kind of like Hillary Clinton in Bosnia
Posted by: TonyGottlieb on Apr 14, 2008 12:49 AM   
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This passively aggressive work of misandry use everything but the truth.

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Better check your facts, Ms. Solnit
Posted by: LeftWright on Apr 14, 2008 1:03 AM   
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You wrote:

Coleen Rowley, the FBI woman who issued those early warnings about al-Qaeda

What, exactly, are you referring to here?

FBI special agent Kenneth Williams sent a memo from Phoenix to FBI headquarters warning of flight school students from Muslim countries more than a month before Coleen Rowley participated in the arrest of Zacarias Moussaoui. FBI special agent Robert Wright had been investigating and warning about al-Qaeda financial networks operating inside the U.S. for years before 9/11/01.

Don't get me wrong, whistleblowing FBI special agent Coleen Rowley is a heroine of mine, but her fight was with Dave Frasca to get a look into Zacarias Moussaoui's laptop, which she didn't get to do until two days AFTER 9/11/01.

Additionally, I have to wonder why AlterNet keeps investing so much energy in the gender wars. At this point, just identifying the existence of ignorant boors without suggesting a way forward is counterproductive and reinforces bunker mentalities.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

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» Yea! Great comment! Posted by: LeftWright
What a coincidence…
Posted by: whyoung on Apr 14, 2008 1:04 AM   
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I just this morning listened to the July 7, 2007 WNYC RadioLab podcast about Time where you talk about Muybridge and his photographs of Stanford's race horse. It perked my interest, but now I know I have to read you.

I certainly enjoyed this article.

The respect and empowerment of women is the number one answer to solving the world's cultural and political problems as far as I am concerned. Thank you for helping me, a man, keep that in mind.

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So what is the point?
Posted by: Rune on Apr 14, 2008 1:08 AM   
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This reads like just another male bashing vent for the sake for venting and male bashing. Where is the insight into why such conditions exist, acknowledgment of ample exceptions (especially in certain regions), reflection on examples found even in this rant that illustrate that dominators turn a deaf ear to others regardless of their sex, and most importantly, what can be done to shift the pattern where it does exist?

From my vantage, it appears that men and women contribute to the expectations and social conditioning that encourage many men and women to play their parts in the communication failures Solnit describes. Males who do not display confidence and a certain amount of assertiveness are stigmatized early on, by adults and child peers, just as surely as females who are exceptionally confident and assertive will get the message that many people regard that as somehow wrong and unwelcome. When men and women identify as couples, those in which the females are verbally assertive tend to be unpopular with men and women alike.

The point is, we are dealing with cultural norms and conditioning, which is never as absolute as presented in this screed and is the product of expectations and reenforcement and acquiescence of males and females alike. One side does not make, enforce, and play out all the roles and behaviors that lead to gender norms. It just does not work like that, which is a good thing, because that means all of us have a role to play in evaluating our own beliefs and behaviors and reforming them as we see fit to encourage change in our respective communities.

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» RE: So what is the point? Posted by: chrysalis124812
» evaluating our own beliefs Posted by: e rice
» RE: So what is the point? Posted by: OneSpirit
» cultural norm Posted by: e rice
Women who explain to me.
Posted by: Sojourner on Apr 14, 2008 1:20 AM   
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I don't find insensitivity and especially the inability to hear what someone else is saying a gendered disability.

One difference may be that I don't keep track of the instances. Then again it may be that I hang around with a lot of guys, and the vebal slap on the verbal butt is a familiar male form of bonding.

And then again it may be that no one else has ever had a mother like mine--explain? Now that she has a retirement home full of potential audience and the excuse of being a century old, she has found heaven, right here on Earth. No need to even buy the stairway, because it turns out to be walkers and wheelchairs.

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GROW A SPINE.
Posted by: leta on Apr 14, 2008 4:09 AM   
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If someone is talking down to you speak up. Stop playing the pathetic victim and people will stop treating you as such.

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Mr. Very Important I & II
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Apr 14, 2008 4:29 AM   
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I know the type, even though I'm a man.

To be honest, this article was kind of amusing, and the writing was pretty good. A lot of recent man-bashing articles have been incoherent rants, full of cursing, terrible grammar, and disorganized spouting. This one had a witty, controlled edge to it, and stuck it to the snobs.

The only part that bothered me on a deeper level was the one-sided account of domestic violence. The idea that DV is a women's issue is one of the biggest and most destructive lies in the business. And the logic used to write off DV against men is pretty much the same as that physicist guy, playing on our assumptions and prejudices.

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» DV is both sides... Posted by: manderson
» RE: DV is both sides... Posted by: manderson
Wow...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Apr 14, 2008 5:03 AM   
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There are pedantic, know-it-all ass-hats in the world. No kidding! Wow... some of them are men!

While there is an issue here to be explored about the percieved infiriority of women.... it seems barely scratched by the way the article is written.

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» DEAR WOW Posted by: judep
» RE: DEAR WOW Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» RE: DEAR WOW Posted by: Basenjis
Comments Prove the Point
Posted by: kegbot1 on Apr 14, 2008 5:42 AM   
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Never let it be said that the progressive community doesn't have its share of troglodyte men as evidenced by so many of the comments to this story.

Perhaps the antipathy toward Solnit's experience is because few men of arts and letters or even of barroom punditry, have their views so thoroughly and systematically belittled as women experience. In many cases, if an man was so patronized by another man, it would be a invitation to 'step outside' and settle it.

It's no wonder that so many men can't understand this dynamic since it is so foreign to them. And they even read Alternet!

I date a university history professor and when she speaks about her area of expertise, regardless of my layman's interest in the subject matter, I keep my mouth shut and learn. Were so many other men to do the same what a world it might be.

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» RE: Comments Prove the Point Posted by: clvngodess
» Congrats... Posted by: Phenix
» RE: Comments Prove the Point Posted by: donnambirdlady
The more you talk the less credibility you have..
Posted by: messedup on Apr 14, 2008 6:39 AM   
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The more you tell women to stand up to the man the more she's going to get bashed in the face by the crazy alpha men or kingsmen her psyche is so stupidly or crazily endeared to. Feel better?

It's easy to talk of great things when you are writer of seven books, endowed with specialized knowledge, have friends in high places, and also knowing that you really are quite a bit smarter than most people, let us say maybe all men.

Propagate your fullfillment!

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Ohhhh look!!
Posted by: Marlena on Apr 14, 2008 6:43 AM   
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at all the males "explaining" this story to us!!
So typical. Maybe the problem is so many males are reality challenged? They are made to do one thing, and that not all that well, and then "know" they are the greatest things in creation!! And how much you want to bet ill get at least one male "explaining" how I'm wrong?? The males have been running things for a few thousand years, and look at the mess! Oh, wait i just don't understand, they will have to explain it to me:)

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» RE: Ohhhh look!! Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» RE: Ohhhh look!! Posted by: e rice
» RE: Ohhhh look!! Posted by: JimmyVaughan
» RE: Ohhhh look!! Posted by: e rice
» RE: Ohhhh look!! Posted by: JimmyVaughan
» RE: Ohhhh look!! Posted by: e rice
» RE: Ohhhh look!! Posted by: JimmyVaughan
» RE: Ohhhh look!! Posted by: e rice
» RE: Ohhhh look!! Posted by: JimmyVaughan
» RE: Ohhhh look!! Posted by: e rice
» RE: Ohhhh look!! Posted by: JimmyVaughan
» RE: Ohhhh look!! Posted by: Marlena
» RE: Ohhhh look!! Posted by: radiomorning
Objecting to man-bashing is MISOGYNY!
Posted by: Q30 on Apr 14, 2008 6:44 AM   
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OOOh, you liberal men are the worst kind of MISOGYNISTS!

The comments here are just LOADED with misogyny!! The fact that I can't give a single example should in no way lessen the credibility of that statement.

Why, the fact that you object to something a WOMYN said is only because of one thing: YOU HATE WOMYN! There's no other explanation, because no male authors are ever disagreed with!

Furthermore, the comments here make me conclude that feminism is still more badly needed than ever-- because that's just about the only conclusion I ever reach about anything.

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» Hey you spelled "women" wrong! Posted by: rancespergl
» RE: Hey you spelled "women" wrong! Posted by: JimmyVaughan
Lament
Posted by: ah2323 on Apr 14, 2008 6:45 AM   
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Wah, wah, wah.

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» RE: Lament Posted by: e rice
love this article
Posted by: Becky on Apr 14, 2008 6:47 AM   
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I, too, loved reading this article. I've experienced having things explained to me too often, almost never by women. and regarding some of the negative comments posted here.... it makes me very depressed and I fear that John McCain might have a chance to win. If you are democrats, and supporting Obama, are you supporting him because he advocates open and respectful dialogue that can tolerate different views of the world, or are you supporting him because he is male?

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intelligence
Posted by: karyse on Apr 14, 2008 7:03 AM   
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Okay, I'm well-informed, out-spoken, intelligent, and highly educated, BUT I come from a working class background, raised by a father who taught me to stand my ground. The consequence of which is that I always call idiots on their idiocy and proceed to explain why he (or she) is wrong. I can do this because I don't give a flying you-know-what whether or not someone likes me.

However, depending upon the class of the person I'm arguing with, I am accused of being arrogant (middle-class), self-involved (educated class), stubborn (working class), or a bitch (any class).

It always astonishes me when women back off rather than publicly ridicule someone. So long as the ridicule left private, know-nothings will continue to behave in the typical know-nothing way.

Oh, and as a P.S., doing this online is completely ineffective because (as is evidenced in alternet comments secitons) know-nothings simply continue on their rant without providing any evidence that they actually understood whatever the opposing position might be.

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» RE: intelligence Posted by: e rice
women are never complicit with men?
Posted by: peterpiano on Apr 14, 2008 7:11 AM   
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I think that Ms. Solnit raises the issues that stair us in the face and are more than obvious, but then lets look at women over the long history along with the men. They played power games and acted in complicity along with the men to gain some kind of status or social standing bar nothing. Many times they acted in duplicitous schemes and are as culpable as the men who supposedly condemned them for manipulating situations that can go terribly wrong for everyone involved. So lets play fair is fair and we all know that the guys always had the women behind them as it was in olden times and now its is the opposite where they are compelled to be on their own without the men calling the shots. But then if you read Macbeth I think that we see
how corrupt either of them can be. Trying to even the score is ludicrous wouldn't think?

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» first of all Posted by: e rice
This is why Cassandra was a woman
Posted by: smart soprano on Apr 14, 2008 7:56 AM   
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Aeschylus knew that no-one would have believed people would not listen to the words of a concerned, intelligent man, but when Cassandra warned of a dire future, her female-ness precluded her being taken seriously.

Repeately being brushed aside, dismissed and infantilized has forced women to silence. This is also why women have historically resorted to feigning dreams and visions, in order to gain an audience for what in truth are ideas that they have developed through the use of their own cognition. However, they knew their logic would not be not deemed worthy of heeding, so they had to find an alternate basis of legitimacy. Hence: 'feminine intuition.'

Of course, this has backfired any time the men need to look 'tough' or express their frustration at their inability to solve a problem. In addition to lashing out at each other, they summarily dismiss women from the equation. After all, the masculine powers that be cannot be seen to be 'weak' by taking the advice of a women, or worse yet, to be following what is perceived as intuitive logic (but which we women really know is nothing more than repackaged intelligence.)

The intellectual violence lurking just below the surface of our culture's civility is getting a lot of air time in the constant Hillary bashing and imbalanced presentation of Hillary vs. Obama in the media. Not so latent fears that men have about 'taking orders' from a woman have turned the campaign into a sexist battleground. It is fruitless for us women to inform men that their fears are baseless, because the whole problem is they cannot allow themselves to listen to us in the first place.

Worse yet, they enjoy their chimeric, smug citadel so much. After all, there is nothing like dismissing women to make men look real tough. Works every time. Just like kicking the dog. Just put down not only what she thinks but how she thinks it. Then she has the problem, not you.

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» RE: This is why Cassandra was a woman Posted by: smart soprano
» RE: This is why Cassandra was a woman Posted by: smart soprano
Sonit explains things.
Posted by: particle on Apr 14, 2008 7:57 AM   
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Poses. Rambles. Wallows. Bores.

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» RE: Sonit explains things. Posted by: e rice
» RE: Sonit explains things. Posted by: particle
Good article
Posted by: sunnywater on Apr 14, 2008 8:27 AM   
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As science is well aware, almost all very early fetuses are potential females. A hormone shift modifies the female to the male form.

This alone should serve as a reminder that such things as rigorous gender identification is not as a simple matter as it might superficially appear to be.

Because we humans puts such a heavy significance on gender differentiation, we should be aware that these considerations tend to occupy more of the attention than is justified by the nature of life as we experience it.

For exapmle,oxygen is equally important to both sexes, as is water etc; but due to the apparent dichotomy of male and female, all manner of assumptions have been made predicated on nothing but a single, very minor variation within our species.

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DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER TO LAUGH OR CRY
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Apr 14, 2008 8:30 AM   
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I don't like run of the mill male bashing and usually avoid it. But the author here talks about the need that some men have to guide us because they can't imagine how we'll manage without their help. It's nothng more than an annoying habit, but I do wish it would stop. If I need help I'll ask. Meantime, please stop nagging! Thanks, ANNA

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Marginalization is a polite term
Posted by: ronavila on Apr 14, 2008 8:57 AM   
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Some of the comments frieghten me. I don't care for broad generalizations either but there's certainly more than a grain of truth in this article.
Women ARE marginalized, period. What I've learned from women? Too numerous to list all, but here's a couple: 1) shut up and listen, women have something to say and sometimes all it takes is me allowing a space for them to say it. 2) keep an open mind, remain teachable, if not for the nobility of humility then for avoiding the embarassment of humiliation.
You go girl!

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Well said!!
Posted by: ladyoracle on Apr 14, 2008 9:18 AM   
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I, too, have experienced the oppressive force of the misniformed man whose inability to hear anything that I, a woman, counteragrue, no matter how factually based and intelligently I speak--even when my authorities are derived from other men--has resulted in his feeling doubly smug in his wrongness. And the result for myself, well one more reason to finish my Ph.D. (I defend my dissertation next week) and continue fighting the good fight for myself and other women.

And it's not that I am always right and they are always wrong, but it's that in those conversations "rightness" is entirely a matter of aggression.

Any by the way, we shouldn't at all be surprised by all the misogynist comments to this article. The left is full of just as many self-important blow holes as the right. That's why feminism's alliances with marxism and socialism, post structuralism, etc., have been tenuous at best.

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» RE: Well said!! Posted by: smart soprano
The skinny little boy sezs to the
Posted by: Beepath on Apr 14, 2008 9:30 AM   
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pretty little girl, "You're only a feminist because you're ugly." Her reply: "No, actually I'm a feminist because you are a boy."

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Thank You...
Posted by: abqgrl on Apr 14, 2008 10:09 AM   
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for putting into words something I have not been able to express in all the conversations I've had with friends over the years. Being in IT, I run across a lot of men "who explain things" and have never been able to express how it feels to have conversations where I know what I'm saying is correct but the self-doubt creeps in as soon as a man asserts a different opinion/idea and I assume he knows something that I don't so I back down only to find out later I was right (specifically about a technical solution). This last year, I have made an effort to be more confident and aware, I force myself into the conversation and demand that my opinion be heard and noted and it has been great for my own self-esteem and also in the way my co-workers interact with me. Many times I'm still afraid I'll be wrong and they'll see that I don't know what I'm talking about so I'm not sure what the answer is but it lies somewhere between both men and women making a change.

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» RE: Thank You... Posted by: radiomorning
» RE: Thank You... Posted by: abqgrl
There are many authors who'd be thrilled
Posted by: hotdog on Apr 14, 2008 10:11 AM   
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to have someone tell them about a great book that turned out to be there own.

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Where the sexism truly lies
Posted by: hotdog on Apr 14, 2008 10:12 AM   
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is not that so many men are pompous blow-hards but that said status has only recently become available to women.

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An "aha" moment
Posted by: CJC on Apr 14, 2008 10:28 AM   
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I read Solnit's piece yesterday and promptly sent it off to a daughter, a granddaughter in college, a daughter-in-law, sister-in-law, and a niece.

Any educated outspoken woman who has not had some kind of experience that makes Solnit's story resonate is either not paying attention or is not remembering. It is NOT male-bashing to be aware of this.

Many years ago my very own husband, whom I met while we were both in college and who, as far as I was aware took my intelligence for granted, once shut me up in a 3 way conversation with a male friend who had introduced a topic that I was studying in graduate school. But my ever-opinionated husband waded in too and then really wanted the floor so he told me that a 3-way conversation was difficult, ie I should shut up. It still makes my eyes smart to remember how angry I was.

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in conversation with women
Posted by: e rice on Apr 14, 2008 10:58 AM   
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some time ago, i was part of a group of about a dozen women. we ranged in age from mid-30s to mid-70s; we had a range of educational and professional experiences.

after discussing other topics, we got onto the topic of men. apropos of one comment, i said, 'if a woman says 2+2=4, a man will say, "don't be stupid, zebras don't have wings."'

everyone laughed and nodded. NOT ONE WOMAN asked me what i meant.

another woman said, 'if a woman says 2+2=4, a man has to argue with her about it.'

again, we all laughed and nodded.

while i continue to hope that attitudes are changing, i have to say that, in my personal experience, the 'sensitive new age guys' are only superficially different from their fathers, sometimes different only when there are women around.

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Long Time Feminist
Posted by: Southern Gal on Apr 14, 2008 11:11 AM   
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Ive been explained to, patronized, placed on a pedestal, loved and hated by men. I've worked under men for too many years to count. I decided that men and women are different, that I don't think or view things like a man and that if I want to I can pay attention or not to what they say. I am my own person and proud of it.

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Posted by: Blue Heron on Apr 14, 2008 11:22 AM   
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I like Rebecca's article. I understand her daily struggles to be heard and acknowledged. It's something I have certainly experienced. However, I would like to say that I think women are over-involved in the external world. They worry endlessly about approval from men, approval from their children, etc. They even seem to need constant approval from their girlfriends that their outfits are 'cute.' I'm hardly saying that women are bimbos. There are so many out there like Rebecca.

I would suggest that women stop seeking social approval. Yes, we are social animals, but the reality check here is that we live in a society where hatred of women and children is absolute. It's very sad, regrettable and all of that, but women need to get on with their lives and just let all that negativity roll off them. They owe that much to themselves. Of course It is difficult, but it's entirely possible.

Do I personally face such a challenge? Oh yeah. I work in the most arrogant of all male fields at the moment - in high tech. And there is nary a female in sight most of the time. But I did get the job, and no matter how many arrogant little male nerds may resent it, nothing changes that fact. I am the honey makin' all the money ;0)

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