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On Prisons, Borders, Safety, and Privilege: An Open Letter to White Feminists

By Jessica Hoffmann, make/shift. Posted April 4, 2008.


It's time for white feminists to challenge their own privilege, listen to all voices and take on the issues that matter.
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There is no role for the white liberal [in social change]; he is our affliction. -James Baldwin, 1963.

In 1983, when I was in kindergarten, white (Jewish) lesbian feminist Adrienne Rich implored a white-led feminist movement: "Without addressing the whiteness of white feminism, our movement will turn in on itself and collapse." Twenty-five years later, I'm dubious about a movement -- "ours" or otherwise -- that has not only failed to honestly and consistently address its whiteness but has also, in so doing, become something far less than a movement for social change.[1]

My comments here are hugely influenced by critiques of white feminism put forth over generations by women of color,[2] critiques I'm guessing you're familiar with. Maybe you're even nodding because you feel like you've reckoned with them. Maybe it bums you out that past generations of white feminists had such a white-supremacy/class-privilege problem. Maybe This Bridge Called My Back was required reading in your first women's studies class and you know all about "intersectionality," making a point in your feminist projects to "include" the voices and issues of women of color, working-class and poor white women, and maybe even trans folks and members of other groups historically marginalized by dominant feminisms. I'm pretty sure about all this because many of you have told me so -- in personal conversations and workshops, in your books and blogs and …

Yet it doesn't look to me like you've really reckoned with those critiques. It looks more like you appropriate or tokenize them, using their language while continuing to center white, class-privileged women's experiences in your "feminism" and engaging in political work that upholds and strengthens white supremacy and economic exploitation -- sometimes directly undermining the social-change work of feminists of color.

And, yes, you deserve some concrete examples of that, which is why I'm writing. My intention isn't to repeat the critiques of feminists of color, but to offer some specific instances in which I, a white, class-privileged feminist who is often privy to your conversations and who can identify with the experiences and perspectives of privilege, have recently seen this playing out. At this particular historical moment, it seems to happen frequently around the disconnect between white feminists' notions of "safety" as an ideal we should organize around, and, on the other side of the not-so-fun funhouse mirror, organizing by feminists of color around policing/prisons and immigration/borders -- issues that expose the fantasy of "safety" as a product of privilege; issues that feminists of color have increasingly centered in their activism while white feminists seem to be struggling to understand whether they are feminist issues at all.
Prisons (or, Safety for Whom?)


In recent years, members of INCITE! Women of Color Against Violence have incisively and repeatedly critiqued the white-feminist-led antiviolence movement for its reliance on (and, thus, complicity with) the U.S. criminal-legal system, which uses the rhetoric of "safety" to destroy communities of color, squash dissent, and create profit for private corporations. Yet the primary macro-level strategies of the white-feminist-led movement against domestic violence and sexual assault continue to rely on this system, with a major focus on legislation such as the Violence Against Women Act and the push for hate-crimes laws to include gender and sexual orientation.[3] On the micro/personal level, I have repeatedly seen white, class-privileged feminists unhesitatingly call upon police to protect and serve them; have listened to white feminists advise each other on which "authorities" to go to for protection from stalkers and other abusers; and so on.[4]

At both the macro level of feminist movement strategy and the micro/personal level of individual actions, I'm struck by the apparent lack of awareness of the prominent critiques made by feminists of color of law-and-order approaches to ending (or, even, finding "safety" from) violence. To be a self-identified feminist activist apparently unaware of (or, worse, deliberately skirting) the current work of not only INCITE! but also feminist icons like Angela Davis and numerous other voices calling for abolition of the prison industrial complex as a key element of social change seems to me to be part of a movement that is not only disconnected from but also damaging to some of the most vibrant and potentially liberating social-justice organizing happening today.

Yet … I know, I know.

One night in the summer of 1996, when I was eighteen, my (white, female, ex-gutter-punk) roommate and I rushed together to call the police when we were startled by a Peeping Tom outside her bedroom window. It was like a reflex, just what you do. We didn't pause to consider other possible responses -- and, after two LAPD officers promised to put our apartment on their regular patrol for the next few weeks, we gave no thought to what that added police presence might mean to our mostly Black neighbors. I was interning with the Feminist Majority that summer, working to defeat an anti-affirmative action state ballot initiative. By the night of the Peeping Tom incident, I had been confused for weeks about why the multiracial coalition of feminist and racial-justice groups that started out working together to save affirmative action "for women and people of color" in the spring had split into two, the (mostly white) feminists in one camp and the racial-justice groups in the other. One of my co-interns had overheard a prominent leftist civil-rights attorney, a woman of color who was working with a former coalition organization, say, "The road to hell is paved with feminists." I thought our work at the Feminist Majority was good and just and concerned with racial as well as gender equality; I didn't understand.

On September 26, 2007, the NYPD used excessive force in the absurd (but not atypical) arrests of two members of the Sylvia Rivera Law Project -- an organization that works on behalf of low-income people of color who are transgender, gender nonconforming, or intersex -- when they questioned police officers' treatment of a young Black man outside an East Village bar where they were celebrating SRLP's fifth anniversary. The next morning, NOW president Kim Gandy released a statement titled "Expansion of Hate Crimes Law Necessary for Women's Safety." NOW's statement that morning was a clear, and tragic, example of the ways privileged so-called feminism is not only disconnected from but sometimes undermines grassroots struggles for social change: who is made safe by strengthening a violent law-and-order system? And what does strengthening that system have to do with ending violence? Why was a major feminist organization's message that morning about strengthening court/legal/police power rather than supporting the arrestees from the SRLP?

(This seems naive, right? It seems silly -- preposterous, almost -- to imagine that a huge national organization like NOW would issue a quick public statement in support of those SRLP folks, and of course the hate-crimes announcement was probably long-planned and the timing vis-à-vis the SRLP arrests totally coincidental and etcetera, etcetera, etcetera -- but why should it seem silly? That it does is my point: dominant, white-led feminist movement is consistently unresponsive to the grassroots while it works within and strengthens the very structures that violently maintain social hierarchies.)

In the summer and fall of 2007, I found myself invited to participate in a slew of meetings and conference calls organized by small, new majority-white "feminist" groups around the United States; over and over again, members wondered earnestly how they could draw more women of color to participate in their projects. Around the same time, I read and heard a whole lot of white feminist media makers explaining that "we" need to show young women "why feminism matters." Sometimes I asked them why, in the face of a series of egregious, in some cases highly publicized examples of state violence against marginalized people (e.g., Jena 6 and the New Jersey 4), prominent white feminists are MIA in and largely ignorant of the work and analyses of major, often feminist-of-color-led movements against state violence? And, I wondered, what is your feminism for, and why does it matter? Because feminists of color don't seem to need convincing on that point -- they're engaged in profound, intergenerational, cross-cultural grassroots work that is transforming not only feminist movement but all social-change movements.[5]

Borders (or, Who Crosses, and Who Cares)

Prominent white feminists often say they are organizing against violence, for safety. So where have they been while working-class immigrant women have been pulled from their homes and workplaces, often separated from their young children, in immigration raids across the United States in recent months?

Brownfemipower of Women of Color Blog has written extensively about how popular white feminist bloggers failed to quickly and substantially cover the specific damage done to women during a major immigration raid in New Bedford, Massachusetts, early last year. New Bedford was not an anomaly: immigration raids -- many of them marked by multiple forms of violence, including surprise attack; immediate separation of parents and their young children; racist and sexist abuse of people held in binary-gender-segregated immigration-detention facilities; deportation itself; and the creation of the constant fear that the next one could happen anywhere, anytime -- are happening all the time, all over the United States.

Immigrant communities are living in near-constant fear, with little "safety"; women and trans and gender-nonconforming people are suffering gender-based violence at the hands of federal immigration officials; and the movement for immigration-policy reform is arguably the largest mass movement in the United States today.

Where are white feminists?

As far as I can tell, white feminists' "solidarity" with the immigrants' rights movement amounts to occasionally featuring a woman who works at an immigrants' rights nonprofit in a publication or panel, and occasionally mentioning a sensational case of violence against a particular immigrant woman on a blog. I was at the mass May Day marches for immigrants' rights in 2006 and 2007 in Los Angeles, and I saw no notable presence of any of the major U.S.-based feminist organizations. In 2007, I could find no mentions of the upcoming marches, or report-backs the next day, on popular feminist blogs. Hundreds of -- some places millions -- of people were on the streets for social justice. Where were white feminists?

Even coverage of outrageous cases of state violence against immigrant women has been scarce in media created by white feminists. In July 2007, a trans woman named Victoria Arellano died after being denied AIDS medication and proper health care in an immigration detention center for men. White feminist media makers mostly missed the story -- though it was reported in the Washington Post, the L.A. Times, and other major media outlets. It seemed simply not to register as a feminist issue.

Confused by this, I mentioned it on an e-mail list where most of the active participants are white, self-identified feminist journalists. That day, they were discussing the demise of GreenStone Media -- a liberal/centrist, white-, rich-, celebrity-dominated "women's" radio network founded by Jane Fonda and Gloria Steinem, et al. The conversation, which started as a call for a moment of silence to collectively grieve GreenStone's short life, broadened into a discussion of the scarcity of funding for feminist media, which led to a few mentions of The Revolution Will Not Be Funded -- the incisive, grassroots-organizing-focused anthology by INCITE! Some folks even expressed interest in forming a reading group to discuss the book. Meanwhile, my questions about feminist media makers' lack of attention to Arellano's story were largely blown off. When a couple of these journalists did eventually mention Arellano's story on their blogs, the focus was on violence against trans women of color (framed as perpetual victims), with no analysis connecting the story to movements to abolish the prison system or defy the legitimacy of national borders.

What, I wondered, is the feminist media they so desperately want funded for? That the conversation for a moment veered toward The Revolution Will Not Be Funded was only more disturbing: a book by radical feminists of color calling for mass, autonomous movement building as an alternative to the state- and capitalism-based "nonprofit industrial complex" that has co-opted social-change activism was being plucked for possible use (co-optation?) by privileged and powerful advocates of precisely the kind of liberal/reformist so-called feminism that has relied on and actively developed that structure.

No, I thought, the revolution will not be funded. And also: the revolution would not have been broadcast on GreenStone Media.
A Call to Challenge Prisons and Borders of All Kinds (or, What Is Feminism For?)


In the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries, class- and skin-privileged French feminists railed against misogynist Humanism and worked to demonstrate that women were just as capable as men of rational, moral thought. But they were ignorant of the lives of most women of their time -- and thus managed to put forth a feminist analysis and activism that missed the witch hunts. This is not an anomaly or something I dug up from an obscure corner; this bit of European feminist history was handed to me in an essay by Adrienne Rich, written during my lifetime, still widely in print. Maybe you've even read it?

I thought about calling this an open letter to liberal feminists, or to mainstream feminists, or some other things, but I finally decided on the adjective white -- not because race is the only defining difference between the liberal/reformist so-called feminism I'm critiquing and more radical social-change-oriented feminisms, but because I see many of the strains of this argument threading together around whiteness -- if by whiteness I can mean not only skin privilege but also straightness,[6] liberalism[7], a sense of entitlement to safety (especially within existing social structures), and other markers of an identity and worldview shaped by assimilation to power. Because, of course, whiteness is no essential fact; it is a construct, a lumping together of different people and practices into a dominant, powerful whole.

I'm using whiteness here to talk broadly about assimilated identities and assimilationist politics, which undermine movements for social change. As white people in the twenty-first century, we can't undo or deny the skin privilege we have been granted via generations of erasure of cultural differences and assimilation to power. But as white feminists, if we are working toward profound social change, we can choose not to engage in political work that is about assimilation to and achieving "safety" or "empowerment" or "freedom" of movement within existing power structures -- especially when those structures (e.g., militaristically enforced national borders, the prison industrial complex) are designed to make others unsafe, and unfree.

I wonder again: What is your feminism for? If it is for disruption and redistribution of power across society (i.e., not just for women like you), it cannot be so ignorant of, exploitative of, and even counter to the prison-abolition and immigrants' rights movements -- not only because marginalized women are involved in and affected by those struggles, but because they are where some of the most significant challenges to power are being made today.

Privilege is a kind of poison -- insidious, it obscures, misleads, confuses -- and this is part of how power is maintained, as well-meaning privileged people miss the mark, can't clearly see what's going on and how we're implicated, are able to comfortably see ourselves as not responsible. Liberalism and assimilationist politics are safe ways for privileged people to believe they are fighting the good fight; liberalism and assimilation, I think, are privilege's -- power's -- instruments.

When I was in fourth grade, in the fall of 1986, my (mostly white, mostly wealthy) class spent a few weeks debating California ballot initiatives. I was assigned to argue the pro side on an initiative to make English the official state language. I took the sample ballot and voter guides home and studied them dutifully, then presented an argument that included the statement "If I moved to China, I wouldn't expect them to speak to me in English." I was a kid whose universe was populated mostly by white liberals. I made this argument knowing nothing about colonialism, the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, global economies, and many other things -- and no one, not one of the "liberal" adults at home or at school, mentioned any of these things in response to my argument. I simply got a good grade, as usual, for following instructions and formulating a coherent argument that fulfilled the debate guidelines I had been taught.

On the afternoon of May 1, 2007, I stood with a friend on the sidewalk outside MacArthur Park in L.A., where immigrants' rights advocates had relaxedly gathered after a long day of marching. A cop decked out in riot gear told us -- the only white people in sight -- "You'd better get out of here; we're gonna clear everyone out." We talked back, asked whether he was gonna tell everyone else and what he was gonna do if we stayed put, rolled our eyes, wondered if these rows of LAPD officers wielding batons and guns were really about to enter the park unprovoked, and stayed where we were. Minutes later, the cops did indeed enter the park, where they brutally shot and shoved to disperse the crowd, injuring many. The next day, my friend and I wondered why we didn't think of calling or texting our friends inside the park to warn them about what was looking increasingly likely to happen. Inexperienced because of privilege, we hadn't thought well on our feet, and we'd been in a certain denial about how bad things might get; we'd been pissed and well meaning, but not useful. ("I'm wearing flip-flops," my friend said to me with sad eyes as we walked away from the park that night, after the violence. We'd shown up feeling that safe. I hope my eyes told her, "I know, I know . . . ")

What keeps me connected to feminism is a radical history of multi-issue, multitactic activism that goes by that name. I know of no other social-justice tradition that has so frequently linked so-called private with so-called public political struggles, art with organizing. And that is why I find politics of privilege that call themselves feminism -- those that would work uncritically within existing power structures, even strengthening them; those that co-opt the revolutionary work of feminists of color by superficially "including" them in a movement that leaves privileged women and their priority issues at the center -- so frustrating.

And that I could call that frustration heartbreaking has a whole lot to do with my own whiteness. I'm inclined to give white feminism, white feminists, the benefit of the doubt. I know what it's like to mean well and yet fuck up, to not get it when the critique means me, to be on the side of power while I intend to challenge it. And after more than a decade in this movement, I know too well why that civil-rights attorney I mentioned up there said, "The road to hell is paved with … "

If feminism is about social change, it is about recognizing that safety in this society is a fantasy afforded only by assimilation to power, and the cost of that fake safety is the safety of those who cannot, or will not, access it. If feminism is about social change, it is about radically challenging prisons and borders of all kinds.

If feminism is about social change, white feminism -- a feminism of assimilation, of gentle reform and/or strengthening of institutions that are instrumental to economic exploitation and white supremacy, of ignorance and/or appropriation of the work of feminists of color -- is an oxymoron. And it is not a thing of some bygone era before everyone read bell hooks in college. It is happening now; you might be part of it.

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[1] In a recent radio interview with Thenmozhi Soundararajan, author Chip Smith talked about critique as a form of mutual support through which privileged people who believe in justice can hold each other accountable. My friend and collaborator Mattilda Bernstein Sycamore, an activist writer, has called critique a form of love. The white-middle-class culture I was educated in frames it, especially among girls, as scary conflict to avoid at all costs. I'm writing this letter in part to unlearn that lesson, to learn instead to critique with love and hope, to put it out there and find out whatever that's worth.
[2] Especially, in terms of contemporary critique, Color of Violence: The INCITE! Anthology and discussions with feminists of color and white feminists actively engaged in antiracism work.
[3] An obvious parallel here is the way the rhetoric of "safety" is used in the so-called War on Terror to justify imperialist military violence -- which itself is backed by some people who identify as feminists for supposedly "saving" women from the violence of their (in the imperialist reading) especially violent cultures.
[4] Our Enemies in Blue, Kristian Williams's history of modern U.S. policing, thoroughly documents how U.S. law enforcement has been developed to protect the privileged classes at the expense of poor people and people of color, from slave patrols to vagrancy laws to today's "broken windows" theory.
[5] I'm thinking of the radical visioning around healing and social transformation that is being done by groups working to end sexual violence such as UBUNTU; the movement-altering intervention of INCITE!'s critique of the nonprofit industrial complex; Vandana Shiva's call for "another relationship ... as citizens of the earth ... not of owning, not of private property, but of caring, of giving, of responsibility"; challenges to the gender binary posed by a prison-abolition movement that thoroughly includes the prison system's enforcement of gender and sex norms in its analysis; and the long-standing work around gender justice in indigenous struggles against global capital such as Zapatismo -- just to name a few.
[6] Meaning not any particular sexual identity or type of relationship but the binary-gender-dependent norm of "straightness" that suggests there even, naturally, is such a thing, and including "straight-gayness," or assimilated we're-just-like-you gay politics and identities as distinct from radical-queer politics and identities.
[7] As opposed not to conservative but to progressive or radical or liberationist.

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Missing the point, especially with trans women
Posted by: war_on_tara on Apr 4, 2008 8:27 AM   
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When a couple of these journalists did eventually mention Arellano's story on their blogs, the focus was on violence against trans women of color (framed as perpetual victims), with no analysis connecting the story to movements to abolish the prison system or defy the legitimacy of national borders.

Missing the point - the analysis would more properly be on white feminists' tendency to dismiss trans women entirely because they weren't born women. Compare to how trans issues have become "gay" issues in a general sense, even to the point of it becoming the "LGBT community." There may be some dissension among mainstream lesbians & gay men about tactics, ENDA coverage & such, but transpeople are generally accepted as part of the community. Not so organized white-led feminism because in general they refuse to accept transwomen as "real" women. They write about it often and nasty quotes about it would be easy to find.

"Defy the legitimacy of national borders?" We've been assured many times that AlterNet never prints anything like that, and even that there wouldn't be anything like that to print if they wanted to, because no one is saying that. Guess this is a first, huh?

Not reform, not cut back but "abolish the prison system"? Wow. What would happen to those Peeping Toms after that?

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Feminism Needs to Be Freed From Academia
Posted by: fratricide08 on Apr 4, 2008 5:18 PM   
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It seems to me that the problem with today's feminism whether it be espoused by whites or women of color is that it lacks any real heart and soul. The message, if there even is one, is muddled by academic social theories, navel gazing, infighting, and attaching "feminism" to each and every cause that comes along. Granted, there is a connection to progressive movements but it seems to me that all of the prominent groups are more concerned about other causes i.e. feminists for the environment, against the Iraq war, for social justice, for whatever/insert cause. It's as though feminism is a throwaway descriptor for groups that really should say, women against the war, women for the environment etc.

Feminism in my view is a victim of academia no matter what color, ethnicity, or orientation, the feminist leveling the critique. You can't spawn change and social progress from something so complex and weighted down. Explain it to the people in terms the people can understand otherwise feminists no matter their background or persuasion are merely asserting their own hegemony by occulting the dialogue and insuring that needed changes never come.

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I really appreciate the painful honest struggle.
Posted by: Sojourner on Apr 4, 2008 11:13 PM   
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Thank you for the information about the truly radical views explored by committed persons. And thank you for the personal messages.

It is not safe to be angry, even for a righteous cause. So the controlled and deliberate expression of the honest reasons that justify anger is necessary--especially for us white-privileged people.

When Louis Farakahn condemns white privilege, he is accused of opportunism, just as was the case with Malcolm X. Like the example of the current flap over Obama's minister's indignation.

The article is so extraordinary, I have to share it. If I send it to my white feminist friends, they may end up no longer being my friends. I hope I succeed with my painful honest struggle as well as you have.

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So white feminists tend to be a self-interested group?
Posted by: Q30 on Apr 5, 2008 7:23 AM   
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And they're not particularly interested in the well-being of other groups despite all their nice-sounding rhetoric to the contrary?

Wow, that's a shocking idea. Knock me over with a feather.

I mean, it's not as if white feminists are always insisting that their worldview is the only legitimate one, right?

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Prison Industrial Complex
Posted by: meeneecat on Apr 5, 2008 8:19 AM   
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You can't address the prison system with out addressing the racist, disastrous war on drugs.

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Thank You For This
Posted by: EKSwitaj on Apr 5, 2008 10:00 PM   
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White (and otherwise privileged) feminists essentially face the choice of opting for junior membership in the Patriarchy or Oligarchy or whatever you want to call it or of struggling for radical change. Those who fight within the hierarchy for a larger piece of the pie because privilege blinds them to other possibilities will inevitably be frustrated as they find themselves unable to achieve an equal share.

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Thank you
Posted by: jenlight on Apr 6, 2008 9:14 PM   
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Thank you for this. We need more discussion of white privilege. Many people I know are not even familiar with the term.

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Since when
Posted by: Andrew_S on Apr 6, 2008 11:09 PM   
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Since when have white middle class racist lesbians represented women at all. All I do see is a whole class of special individuals affecting policy, funding and results. All for a few taxpayer dollars and employment, and not without the implicit consent of the legal profession who have taken over the implemetation of social and economic welfare. I doubt whether a male in a skirt is still discernable as a sexual predator for the gullible. What should the slogan be, lets omit procreation and implement creation.

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On Prisons, Borders, Safety, and Privilege
Posted by: DaisyDeadhead on Apr 7, 2008 8:20 AM   
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I recently received an email from another feminist blogger, asking me why I cover issues of law enforcement abuse on my blog. I was pretty dumbfounded by the question, since one of the incidents I had just covered involved an innocent African American woman handcuffed to her car by SC state troopers, as she endured considerable hostility.

Apparently, that was not considered a feminist issue. (!)

All I could think was, no wonder our movement is in trouble.

Excellent article.

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What was HOPE STEFFEY's CRIME?
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Apr 7, 2008 9:27 AM   
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... that found her violently handcuffed & STRIPPED NAKED by both MALE & FEMALE officers?
...& found herself 'raped without penetration' while she screamed for help.

"Woman who is a crime victim brutally strip searched by police. Hope Steffey's cousin called 911 to report that Hope had been assaulted.

When the police arrived, Hope accidentally turned over her dead sister's driver's license, which she keeps in her wallet as a memento. After being arrested & brutally strip searched, she is made to spend six hours in a cell, naked.

Warning: the video of the incident is disturbing."


"ON YOUR KNEES, Citizen!!!"


Be afraid: strong female police officer 'feminists' are really into playing prisoner compliance games with their male compatriots.


Naked Truth: Civil Rights & CNN coverage of "FBI biometric database - 'Server in The Sky'"


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A little knowledge is a dangerous thing
Posted by: sweet_byrd on Apr 7, 2008 5:02 PM   
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This is an extraordinary article. It has given me a lot to think about.

Perhaps at least part (I certainly won't claim that it is the only reason, or even a predominant one) of the reason for the "white feminist blinkers" is that a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. Feminists know from experience how little people in a position of power understand of the lives of the powerless. And so we hesitate to speak up for fear of being patronizing -- insulting through our well-meaning ignorance. After all, the patronizing, belittling figure of the rich, white Lady Bountiful is hardly one that a person of progressive mindset would want to embody.

But because of this hesitation and discomfort, we shun situations in which the topic will come up, leading to the absenteeism explored in this article, as well as the concurrent lack of instructive experience. It is a vicious cycle, and one that (it seems to me) should serve as a kick in the pants for us to step out of our comfort zones.

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rapists, spouse abusers, etc belong in prison, no matter their color
Posted by: pablo1 on Apr 9, 2008 1:58 PM   
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Jessica Hoffman,

I am of Latin American ancestry and I am telling you that you are NOT helping the African-American or Latino community by insisting that we not arrest VIOLENT African-American or Latino criminals!

Martin Luther King Jr says we should judge people by their character.

Therefore, if a person is a rapist, we should judge that person as a bad character! That means we put that person in prison, regardless of their ancestry.

People shouldn't be getting away with rape, robberry, aggravated assault, murder, etc. just because they have non-white ancestors! Otherwise, people like me could get away with anything!

Do you think that AFrican-Americans and Latinos want to live next door to a sex offender, or a serial killer of the same race? Do you really believe that an African-American or a Latino whose daughter's been sexually or physically abused want to keep the abuser out of jail, if the abuser is also an African-American or Latino?

Those who have to fear most from African-American or Latino sex offenders are African-Americans and Latinos! And most European-American women who have been raped were raped by European-American men! Most crime involves the predator and victim of the same race!

White Republicans are probably not even 1% of the victims violated by non-white criminals, yet any attempts to put violent criminals in jail is seen as a racist atrocity committed by White Republicans!

Yes, our criminal justice system wastes prison space on non-violent criminals! We ought to legalize all immigration, marijuana, gambling, prostitution, and other non-violent vices!

But violent bullies ought to be in prison. Anything less is naive!

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There's oppression and then there's oppression
Posted by: fanny666 on Apr 11, 2008 3:16 PM   
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This is a much needed perspective, in my humble opinion. It's been bothering me for some time about the apparent priorities of "mainstream" American feminism. No oppression should be tolerated. Any system of subjugation should be challenged. American/ white women certainly do face oppression, and often violent oppression. But there's oppression and then there's oppression. I'm frequently disappointed by the type of oppression American feminists choose to focus on.

Oppression of women in America and then there's Oppression of women in the Congo

Oppression of women in America and then there's Oppression of women in Sierra Leone

Oppression of women in America and then there's Oppression of women in Afghanistan

Oppression of women in America and then there's Oppression of women in Burma/Myanmar

Oppression of women in America and then there's Oppression of women in Saudi Arabia

Obviously, I have chosen these examples to make a point.

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What are other possible responses?
Posted by: sofia soledad on May 2, 2008 1:32 PM   
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This article brings up a lot of questions, stuff I've definitely been thinking about.
I definitely see the reasons for stopping the prison/industrial complex and other forms of institutional and systematic violence.
But ARE there other possible responses to violence against women, and what are they?
I would like to know because I would like to put this thinking to work immediately. I've been sexually harassed by random, strange men just a few times in my city, and I'd like to know what to do about it if it ever happens again.
Most of the time I have not called the police because I don't believe in the police, but I did on 2 occasions because I didn't know what else to do. The harassment was not violent, it didn't actually physically harm me, but I didn't know if I let it go, if the men would then go on to do worse things to someone else because they got away with what they did to me. I just really didn't know what else to do. I would have preferred not to call the cops and handle it differently. Is this part of the problem? That we don't have another way of dealing with sexual harrassment? What would the author have done in hindsight instead of calling the cops on the peeping tom?

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