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Reproductive Justice and Gender

In the Movies, She Keeps the Baby

By Ellen Goodman, Washington Post Writers Group. Posted January 3, 2008.


The recent spate of pregnancy films, from Juno to Knocked Up, all implicitly send the message that the right choice is to keep the baby.
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I hate to release my inner fuddy-duddy this early in the year. So I'll blame this rant on having spent the last afternoon of 2007 in a movie theater with a bag of popcorn and a row of tweens.

I went to see Juno, the indie comedy about a hip and sarcastic 16-year-old who gets pregnant after what she calls "premeditated sex." In a rush of wit and grit, she decides not to have an abortion and picks a couple to adopt the baby. The story waddles inevitably to a happy ending and a slew of reviews praising the film for skewering the pieties of both sides of the family-values debate.

I enjoyed this the way you enjoy the bubbly on New Year's Eve that leaves you with a hangover the next morning. I had the sense of being co-opted into tacit approval of a goofy, romantic story only slightly less plausible than the actual transformation of its author, Diablo Cody, from stripper to screenwriter.

Please allow me a fuddy-duddy disclaimer. I am aware that reel life is not real life. Zoey 101 is not, alas, Jamie Lynn Spears. And Juno isn't meant to be a documentary.

But we are in the midst of an entire wave of movies about unexpectedly pregnant women -- from Knocked Up to Waitress to Bella -- all deciding to have their babies and all wrapped up in nice, neat bows.

In Knocked Up, pregnancy from a one-night drunken stand transforms a slacker babydaddy into a grown-up. In Waitress, pregnancy empowers a woman to escape from Husband Wrong to Mr. Right. And in Bella, it's the belly that leads her into the heart of a warm Latino family.

Here is a cinematic world without complication. Or contraception. By some screenwriter consensus, abortion has become the right-to-choose that's never chosen. In Knocked Up it was referred to as "shmashmortion." In Juno the abortion clinic looks like a punk-rock tattoo parlor.

I am supposed to go with the flow and not point a scolding finger at cultural propaganda. But fuddy-duddy be damned. Sitting behind those tweens -- girls somewhere between preschool and pubescence -- I wondered what was being absorbed through their PG-13 pores.

Need I remind you of the news that teenage pregnancy rates have gone up for the first time since 1991? It's expected that 750,000 teenage girls will get pregnant this year. With, by the way, some help from boys. We've spent about $1 billion on the taxpayer scam known as abstinence-only education. And Jamie Lynn Spears announced her pregnancy, saying, "I was in complete and total shock and so was he."

Whatever the cost to actual teenage mothers, it isn't paid by their stars. The only one paying a price for Spears' pregnancy is OK! magazine, which reportedly put up $1 million for her pronouncement. (I'm OK! You're OK! Even if you're 16 and pregnant.)

I don't want to return to those wonderful yesteryears when Dan Quayle took on Murphy Brown. But we're navigating some pretty tricky cultural waters here.

On the one hand, liberals who want teens to have access to contraception and abortion don't want to criticize single mothers. On the other hand, conservatives who want teens to be abstinent until marriage applaud girls who don't have abortions.

So we have Mike Huckabee saying that Spears made the "right decision" and Wendy Wright of the Concerned Women for America praising movies that show women rejecting abortion. We have liberals who feel like fuddy-duddies darkening the rosy scenario of the motherhood fantasy movies.

There's an unstated compromise that historian Stephanie Coontz of Evergreen State College sees being acted out by the culture: "Social conservatives are backing off on the condemnation of single mothers. Social liberals are backing off on the idea that it's possible to have an abortion and not be ruined by it." This is best expressed by Hollywood, which wants to be all things to all audiences.

Is it still OK to ask whether this cultural 'compromise' ends up compromising the future of those kids in my theater?

When Spears told the world she was pregnant, it was described repeatedly, infuriatingly, as a "teachable moment." It appears that parents are required to create an alternative PowerPoint presentation. Against the endless loop of hip and comic stories, parents are expected to write the crawl -- the stuff about relationships, about birth control, about becoming an adult before you become a parent. We're supposed to write the real life postscript to Hollywood's happily ever after.

Once again, adults are being called to teach against the cultural tide. Think of it as a casting call for designated fuddy-duddies.

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Ellen Goodman is a member of the Washington Post Writers Group.

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Asking a cow to lay eggs
Posted by: El Hombre Malo on Jan 3, 2008 1:34 AM   
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Abortion is an option, one that needs to be available not only for pregnant teens, but for every woman. But that said, it is also a personal option, not a political one. You can't demand for anyone to have it. No, not even fictional characters. Not even a Spears. You can have your oppinion, of course. And eat it too. But whenever I hear someone bitch about how this or that girl should have had an abortion I cant but feel they are of the same stock as the chovinistic, narrow minded bigots that call those who have it "sluts" or "killers".

So Hollywood could be more fair in its depiction of reality... stop the presses! Author says that Juno is not a documentary and thats the key; you can't expect the entertaining industry to educate, you just congratulate when it does and fight whatever influence from it you perceive as negative. And you make documentaries, and make sure they are available for the kids to see. And the next time you have the urge to demand a profit industry to fulfill the role of educator, you count to ten, breathe, and think calmly who else could be more apt for the job.

I for one can't wait to see Juno, having enjoyed Diablo Cody's Pussy Ranch back in the day, the blog that landed her the writing gig, the book deal and ultimately her screenwriter career. From my perspective, her transformation doesnt even exist; she was already a writer when she stripped, just less people knew it.

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» Demand? She didn't. Posted by: Beck
» RE: Asking a cow to lay eggs Posted by: saramus
» RE: Asking a cow to lay eggs Posted by: El Hombre Malo
» RE: Asking a cow to lay eggs Posted by: hms2004
Abortion=no movie
Posted by: E-from-PHIOM on Jan 3, 2008 2:32 AM   
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There are plenty of movies that show young women having abortions. "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" comes to mind. These movies are about young women that don't. Plain and simple. No pregnancy, no movie. That they don't give equal time to the topic and facts of abortion is a non issue because these are movies not health class. It is not their job to be realistic and depict abortion as a viable option (which they do anyway, albeit briefly), it is their job to be good and entertaining movies.

The author writes, We're supposed to write the real life postscript to Hollywood's happily ever after. This is no shocker. No one wants to watch a scene of Juno and her stepmom sitting around weighing the pros and cons of abortion. These are supposed to be COMEDIES. Comedies have happy endings and no one gets hurt, that's why we feel comfortable laughing. The movie could be about Juno's abortion, or about Juno's life of squalor and pain as a single mother after her parents disown her, and it could be the apex of progressive realism, but that movie would be about as funny as a Kevin Carter retrospective.

Good films are not didactic. They almost always do have a message to impart, but it is a message that should be found only through subtext.
When films become PSAs is the day the theaters are empty, just look at the box office numbers for "Fast Food Nation."

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» RE: Abortion=no movie Posted by: texshelters
» RE: Abortion=no movie Posted by: newtype_alpha
» Fast Times? Posted by: fluffmuffinmom
Upside down
Posted by: saltoafronteira on Jan 3, 2008 2:46 AM   
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We all know the arguments for abortion.
I must accept (though it revolves my guts to see that human life is such a low option and value) that abortion must be a mothers decision and, therefore, allowed with all safety, because of the interests and values conflict at stake.
But demonizing the ones who choose not to abort ?
Have you gone mad?
Do you want to impose abortion to anyone who is not married or under 25 ?
What solution do you propose ? throw those persons in jail or reformatories ?
Or do you want to throw into jail the ones that are against abortion and express their points of vue, or even make marketing for it ?
Dont you do marketing for abortion? Would you like to go for jail because of it?
Crime of opinion ? We have seen such things in the past.
Abortion is a very delicate matter, and its being legal must be seen as the least of evils. But an evil anyway !
It is this kind of position that strenghtens the right wing religious extremists and descredits the liberal points of vue.
Please, checks and balances are also needed whenever human live and values are at stake.

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That's not what happened in Waitress
Posted by: Kirsten on Jan 3, 2008 5:53 AM   
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I don't think the author of the article actually saw the movie Waitress. The one-line summary of it is obviously wrong as anyone who saw the whole thing should know.

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You folks are missing the point
Posted by: Fang-Face Dreamweaver on Jan 3, 2008 5:58 AM   
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Ms Goodman's concerns aren't about the story lines or the subplots, they are about the social trend toward ignorance-only enforced parenthood. People, usually starting somewhere in adolescence, are going to have sex, and if they do not know how to protect themselves from unplanned conception, they are also going to have babies. A situation which is going to negatively affect those who do not have access to at least a middle- to upper-middle class lifestyle.

Ms. Goodman's review of the trend in those films is not a conspiracy theory, she merely points out, quite correctly, that the viewpoints put forth will lend impetus to the trend.

I, however, would say that underneath this trend implies a much more disturbing issue: How much is Hollywood starting to suck up to the ultra-right, wing nut, Bush-type power elite in the same way the corporate press already does?

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» RE: You folks are missing the point Posted by: screwjack2000
» RE: You folks are missing the point Posted by: Fang-Face Dreamweaver
Not so easy!
Posted by: carbon-based on Jan 3, 2008 6:09 AM   
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" And Jamie Lynn Spears announced her pregnancy, saying, "I was in complete and total shock and so was he."" Now there is a smart couple!..unprotected sex and you are surprised?

Ii is surprising that liberal hollywood hasn't depicted abortion as an option - but it is pretty hard justifying abortion in a "premeditated sex" situation to the movie going population.

That decision is something better left to families to work out - and not made to seem as easy as contraception choices!

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perhaps it's just human to want to believe that life is simple and happiness is possible
Posted by: Suzon on Jan 3, 2008 6:17 AM   
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especially when times are grim.

Twenty years ago I found out that a woman who had been my best friend since college had become pregnant when she lost her virginity to someone she just fell into bed with, had the baby and given her daughter to her childless aunt and uncle to raise. My friend had jet black curly hair and amazing light blue-green eyes and her daughter was identical in looks, but mother and daughter never met. The girl wanted to know her mother but my friend just couldn't handle it. She died this summer or, more accurately, was one of the victims of the medical-health insurance-pharmaceutical cabal. End of story.

Complex, poignant and not amusing. Just true.

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Sometimes there is a "happily ever after."
Posted by: LeeAnnG on Jan 3, 2008 7:34 AM   
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In 1962, at the age of 15, I became pregnant. My father's reaction to it was to say, "The first thing you need to know is that you didn't do anything wrong. Lots of girls do what you did, but you 'got caught.' Now, if a girl at your school got pregnant and you made fun of her, THAT would be wrong."

Then he kind of sat back and sighed as if to say, "Well, good. That part is over." And continued with, "And just think! In April we will have a baby!"

My own response was to say, "You mean we are going to keep it?"

His answer was, "What would you do, throw it in the garbage?" Apparently any alternative to keeping the baby never entered his mind.

Abortion was never considered, nor was adoption. My father was an atheist who loved children more than anything else in life. The joyous anticipation of having a new baby around overshadowed all else. (Someone once said that the men in my family said "baby" the way other people say "Jesus.") When his sisters came for a visit and told him my life was over, my dad laughed and said, "She's FIFTEEN! She's not sick, she's pregnant." (As it turned out, when he knew my mother was taking me to the doctor, he thought perhaps I was ill. Pregnancy was a relief to him.)

Of course, like any other life, mine has had its ups and downs, but after marrying my first husband - not the baby's father, and not the best choice - I had another child. My sons are now going on 45 and 34. They are good, good friends. My oldest son lives with my mother and takes wonderful care of her, as he did my dad before he died. I'm very happily remarried and live a comfortable life and have a great relationship with my family.

I would not advocate teen pregnancy for any girl as it does most definitely detract from a young person's childhood. It creates problems that might otherwise not occur. However, teen pregnancy can be handled with compassion, love, and understanding. It does not have to be a disaster.

Now, fast forward 40 years to the near present. A friend's unwed daughter became pregnant at the age of about 19. My friend remembered the story of my dad and used his speech to me as a way of comforting her own daughter. She said that it gave her the means to know what to say. The baby is nearly 2 years old and her parents live together, although they are still not ready to commit to marriage. Once again, understanding and compassion made possible the birth of a child to a loving family.

Obviously abstinence only education and an atmosphere of sexual repression has not done anything to stop young people from having sex or getting pregnant. Education - real education about sexuality and the true consequences of children having children is vital. But it's simplistic to assume that abortion or adoption are the best answers to a very complex issue.

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Hollywood is about fantasies, but some fantasies can kill
Posted by: texshelters on Jan 3, 2008 8:22 AM   
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None of these movies show the consequences of having an out of wed-lock birth, such as poverty and loss of job opportunities, subservience to a harmful relationship, etc. What about choosing an abortion so one can have a baby when they're ready, what about living happily without increasing the population on the planet?

Waitress was a horrible movie that supports our fantasies that if you have that baby, you might just come into some money at the last minute and everything will be all right. Especially if you can make special pies.

Whether you're pro-fetus or pro-choice, there are consequences to your choices. The pro=baby, anti-choice movies aren't based on reality. But that's Hollowwood for you. Why do these movies only show the consequences of having an abortion? Is there a political agenda here, or do the creators of the movies not want to stir up controversy? Yes other movies have presented abortion as a choice. The article is about the current trend of the "pro-baby" movies.

On that note, check out this ad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nojWJ6-XmeQ

Tex Shelters

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Abortion means there wouldn't be a movie
Posted by: warriornation on Jan 3, 2008 8:46 AM   
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If there was an abortion then those movies would not exist. Obviously, Knocked Up and Juno are extremely fictional. Knocked Up's romantic story is optimistic, but is more like a fantasy. And in Juno, I can't imagine a girl putting up a baby for adoption over abortion. Does anybody have statistics on how many babies are put up for adoption every year? I don't know, but I just feel that a girl would either have an abortion or keep the baby, but not put it up for adoption.

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Strange discussion
Posted by: kungfoofighterx on Jan 3, 2008 8:52 AM   
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"abortion has become the right-to-choose that's never chosen" Ideally thats the way it should always be.

I must admit right off the bat I did not read the portion about Juno because I am going to see it this weekend. I find this discussion disturbing for several reasons.

1. In my humble opinion about the ethics and morality of abortion it should not be used as birth control.
2. Adoption is always an option. As fertility decreases it becomes a more desperate option for those seeking families.
3. If one thinks their boss or career would be jeopardized by becoming pregnant it may be best to take it out on the boss/organization rather than the putative child.
4. The choice should always be there, but I would hope it would be used as the very last resort.
5. Movies are made in Hollywood.
6. "We've spent about $1 billion on the taxpayer scam known as abstinence-only education" True. We should have spent $1 billion on R&D in the reproductive (conception/disease prevention) biology front. Non-hormonal birth control might be a good place to start.
7. Why not attack the fundamental ethical and moral problems associated with abortion with real ideas. Its far more complicated than the right to choose. Far more complicated....

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Happy Make Baby films aren't new
Posted by: VannaLaRoche on Jan 3, 2008 9:00 AM   
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We come from a long cinematic tradition of Baby Makes It Right. Once the woman announces demurely that there's a baby on the way, the hero becomes heroic, enemies become friends, obstacles become opportunities. Baby Makes It Right.

That's a huge battleship to turn around.

I'll start being really suspicious of Hollywood when they plot a film about how an abortion ruins a woman's life, or how a woman who regrets an early abortion goes to extreme lengths to expiate her sin by having another baby (which, of course, solves every problem and dissolves every conflict), or how one woman decides to have the baby after her best friend commits suicide after having an abortion. Serious as Schindler's List, of course--no comedy here.

They could, of course. If it's seen as needed.

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In Real Life, She Keeps the Baby!
Posted by: ChrisWood on Jan 3, 2008 9:15 AM   
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Our writer has a hollywood perception of how great (or realistic) a story about an abortion would be. Abortion is an unfortunate reality, but this fuddy-duddy ain't payin' 10 dollars to go watch a story about one.

There's not a "demand that people have abortions" in this article, as earlier bloggers have argued over--but there is the common but incorrect assumption that all "liberals" are in favor of the practice of abortion, or putting ourselves on hormones. Or that teen pregnancy is a sign of the apocalypse.

In reality, more women do not get abortions than do. And a lot of us are "mistakes" who go on to contribute to the world, instead of being sucked out of our mothers because we were inconvenient at the time. Thankfully, this happens no matter what Hollywood, or the far right, or Planned Parenthood, or any pundit has to say about it.

What these movies inadvertently say, is that is o.k., and that's o.k. with me. -cw

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Real Life
Posted by: DennisDalrymple on Jan 3, 2008 9:23 AM   
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No fuddy-duddy she; I would urge Ellen Goodman to write a movie script that's needed to be written on abortion as an alternative to the happily-ever-after, feel-good narrative depicted in "Juno" and "Knocked-up". My mother became pregnant at 15 in 1937 and gave birth that year. I doubt that she was aware of either abortion or birth control in the little town in Iowa where she grew up.

There was no Hollywood happy ending: My grandparents being ashamed of her protruding belly, sent her off to an even smaller town in Iowa to a home for unwed mothers. Of course, she was forced to leave school in the 10th grade (as a star guard on their girls basketball team) and never returned to graduate. After she had the baby, she was shipped off to a larger town to get a job in a factory during the day and go to beauty school at night to learn a trade. There are millions of stories like this and I wish Ellen could get to work on that screenplay to correct the tinsel town fantasies. By the way, god forbid "Juno" and "Knocked-up" will encourge young women to give birth to their babies should they accidentally get pregnant. There will be no happy ending to that narrative, the movies notwithstanding; I can guarantee it from my mother's experience.

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It's only a movie
Posted by: sausage on Jan 3, 2008 9:25 AM   
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But I wish Hollywood would stop promoting the idea that bastardy is cute.

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Missing the Point?
Posted by: newtype_alpha on Jan 3, 2008 9:46 AM   
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I think the author of this article may have overlooked one important point, one that unfortunately is OFTEN overlooked in the abortion debate. It has been my observation that the vast majority of Americans who ARE pro-choice (myself included) also feel that abortion is the least-desirable solution to an unwanted pregnancy. Truly a woman should have the right to choose whether or not to go through with an abortion, in the same way and for the same reasons that a government should have the right to choose whether or not to declare war on its neighbors. It is not something that should be entered into lightly, nor should it be encouraged, romanticized or normalized.

The professionals at your local Planned Parenthood clinic, interestingly enough, have much the same attitude: "Have you considered all your options? Have you examined your finances? Have you discussed this with relatives or the baby's father? You, know, we have a list of really good adoption agencies..."

A whole slew of movies about unwanted pregnancies that do NOT end with an abortion... personally, I find that to be a pretty good sign as far as our society is concerned. It would be like releasing a series of movies about a presidents who successfully negotiate their way out of shooting wars.

"Abortion as a last resort" is something Americans should take very seriously. The fact of the matter is, for the overwhelming majority of us, it isn't really a last resort; most middle-class families could easily afford to care for a new addition, or at the very least, could afford to screen suitable foster parents for a baby. Making the choice out of convenience or fear of public stigma or the loss of one's preferred lifestyle would be doing a serious injustice to one's own legacy. Still, as long as we live in a free society, we should live in a society that values a person's right of choice, even if many of us from time to time disagree with those choices.

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This article is just mean-spiritedness
Posted by: 060730 on Jan 3, 2008 10:01 AM   
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sometimes people need to climb off their high-horses and get among the rest of the world so they don't confuse the propaganda they believe and spin with what other people live day-to-day. Ivory tower liberalism is yucky.

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Difference Between Legal And Moral
Posted by: NoPCZone on Jan 3, 2008 10:21 AM   
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I support the legal right of a woman to make medical decisions regarding her pregnancy in private, with the consultation of her doctor. However, I view the practice of using abortion for birth control as barbaric.

Spare me all of the Planned Parenthood claptrap- the truth is that virtually any healthy baby can find an adoptive home. For someone to choose abortion over carrying the baby and giving it up for adoption, while not illegal, seems very selfish and hard-hearted to me.

I do not support the intrusion of the state into what is essentially a private medical decision, but view those who see abortion on demand as just another birth control option in a very negative light. It is not a political statement.

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Poor little Juno
Posted by: Blue Heron on Jan 3, 2008 10:45 AM   
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Oh yeah, Juno is a breakthrough film alright. This girl, with her loser boyfriend is supposed to be cooler than your average teen girl with the loser boyfriend because she likes Indie music and is a smart Alec? Give me a break! A really cool teen girl would make some efforts to smash this sad little stereotype, like staying in school, or I dunno, maybe having aspirations for college.

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never happen in real life
Posted by: particle61 on Jan 3, 2008 11:26 AM   
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Hey american culture fans,

I saw knocked up and, wheter or not you want to make a point about 'safe and rare' (as bclinton used to say) abortions, one has to admit that the story line in that film is so divorced from reality it does not make sense.

The pregnant woman is portrayed as celebrating her new job as an on camera anchor for a network celebrity gossip TV show on the night she gets 'knocked up' - who decides to keep the baby ?!?

The stoner daddy in the movie is moved to 'get a real life' by the experience...so sad that the producers, directors and cameo actors of this film are all alumnus of Second City TV and Saturday Night Live (kinda think that all of these people 'got a real life' by being stoner comics in the 1970's and now are putting forth a 'message movie' that buttresses the mindset message and cultural warfare of the Christian Broadcasting Network instead of SCTV.)

As Ms. Goodman points out (and Harold Ramis should know) when you sell out for the big bucks you should understand that the cultural consequences of making a pile of cash could be bad decisions by pregnant kids to keep unwanted children in situations of instability...

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romantic unreality
Posted by: amysultan on Jan 3, 2008 12:32 PM   
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"Juno", "Knocked Up"...What a strange and perverse turn of events. I am old enough to remember when abortion was not a legal and safe option for young women, when birth control was not readily available to boys or girls. I remember friends going off to give birth and leave the baby for adoption and I will never forget their heartbreak. I also live in the world of now with a 17 year old son of my own. I am also a poetry teacher and mentor to scores of teenagers, many of whom have gotten pregnant and have kept their children in the romantic belief that a baby will heal some essential wound, that the "baby daddy" will love them and miraculously turn into real grown up men who will care for them, like the charcater in "Knocked Up". NOT! Instead their lives are derailed and asperations that might have led them to independent adult lives in which they could become great parents 10 years on are lost. And let's not forget the very real emotional plight of the children born to teenage girls. It is not a happy or romantic scenario.

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Why not a comedy about abortion?
Posted by: BobS on Jan 3, 2008 1:14 PM   
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Hello: Frankly, I'd like to see a romantic comedy that has an abortion in it. Why not?

It would take a very smart feminist film maker who doesn't mind overcoming a million and one obstacles. But a few obstacles certainly never stops determined film makers.

It wouldn't even require a high budget. Surely there are some Hollywood "stars" who would work for union scale. Or just forget the stars and work with some ambitious hungry talented unknowns.

Come on, there have to be some creatives out there with the moxie to at least try ...

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Hollywood trembles
Posted by: Upset on Jan 3, 2008 1:54 PM   
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Avoiding abortion on film is not about conservatives or their agenda. Hollywood has long ignored that market niche. Rather it reflects a much broader public perception that worries the film industry. Unlike so many other countries who have matter-of-factly accepted abortion as a “medical matter,” America is different.

Hollywood trembles because of the American people’s deep ambivalence about abortion. Despite all the rhetoric about “celebrating choice,” feminists have been unable to erase the tragedy that often follows abortion. They cannot shake the stigma that comes attached. Even the most ardent pro-abortion political candidates must cast abortion as a sad and unfortunate necessity that is best avoided.

This happened because an “extremely active and vocal” anti-abortion movement has kept abortion before the public. In so doing, abortion has taken on a moral dimension that has divided the nation. However, even more importantly, it has divided the pro-abortionists and their sympathizers who now express misgivings and doubts about the practice.

I think the battle over abortion is far from over, but the silence in “no-choice” Hollywood speaks volumes.

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Fantasyland
Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Jan 3, 2008 2:34 PM   
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Once again, a movie tries to portray a controversial issue as entertainment. And the answer? Teenage girls will get pregnant-with some help from boys. It takes two, you know.
Anyway, cinema is saying today that "it's okay for teens to have babies out of wedlock"-but I don't buy that.
I knew girls who became pregnant in high school and I felt bad for them. The guys were nowhere to be found.
In the end, cinema tries to fantasize a world where teen pregnancies COULD have a happy ending, but the reality is far from anything depicted in Knocked Out.

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» RE: The real fantasyland Posted by: Fade
How else would she get gravy train child support?
Posted by: cjohnson44 on Jan 3, 2008 2:36 PM   
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The right choice IS to keep the baby. Shoes, clothes and vacations aren't cheap.

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Oh come on...
Posted by: Pirate1 on Jan 3, 2008 6:07 PM   
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It's about CHOICE, isn't it? Last I knew choice is a wide open arena... that is why I support a woman's right to choose. Choice includes abstinence, contraception, abortion, pregnancy ending in adoption or pregnancy ending in raising the child. It is up to the woman involved and it is her business alone. I hate these attitudes that fume over a movie (a MOVIE, for gawd sake) in which a character makes a choice they wouldn't... like it is somehow part of some conspiracy to undermine their rights. Better we work to create a world where no woman is shamed or shunned for decisions she makes around childbirth... be that choice for motherhood or not. Get a life.

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mememe
Posted by: mememe on Jan 3, 2008 6:38 PM   
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The movie industry is like any other industry; it relies on future consumers to perpetuate itself. If they started encouraging abortions, where will the next generation of popcorn-eaters come from?

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» RE: mememe LMAOROTF Posted by: DaBear
LAY OFF THE STRIPPERS
Posted by: bellabelial on Jan 3, 2008 7:51 PM   
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I enjoyed and agreed that abortion is not getting a fair shake in Hollywood and I liked this article... to a point.

"...story only slightly less plausible than the actual transformation of its author, Diablo Cody, from stripper to screenwriter."

No, your not a fuddy-duddy. You're just a critic run out of ideas, happy to take a cheap-shot at the author for being a stripper. As if it matters in " Juno", or the article.

Judge the movie, not Diablo Cody's previous profession.

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setfreebyChrist
Posted by: Realliberal87 on Jan 3, 2008 7:52 PM   
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It's a good thing that Hollywood is reconizing that only where there is life can there be any real choice and any possible story.
Like it or not there is a real sea change going on in America that will someday mean the end of baby killing and other horrors

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I'm with ya Ellen
Posted by: DaBear on Jan 3, 2008 8:56 PM   
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It's a conundrum indeed. The reality is in the difficulties a mass-market film has telling the kind of story real progressives (or "liberals" in Ellen's terms) would prefer to see. The abortion scenario as a good thing doesn't work for an obvious, on-the-nose rom-com which is the exclusive medium of Hollywood, most so-called "indies" included (I'll have to look it up but I seriously doubt Juno is really an indie). It's the age old Kapitalista dilemma: You wanna make escargot for the millions or PB&J? PB&J masquerading as escargot wins every time in Kapitalism-on-crack (a.k.a.- 'Merkuh).

OTOH there's the cultural mirror issue with the incredibly high stakes re: the conflicting and conflicted social messaging and lived experiences involved. That's where my stomach churns late at night even after I've lauhed along with everyone else. Lived experience shows over my 40 years that 90% of the time abortion is ALWAYS the right answer and the rest are anamolies. The fantasy a la Hollywood NEVER happens. OTOH, mass-market films are pure fantasy and the sheeple who live in this train-wreck called 'Merkuh actually DO NOT know the difference, no matter their vocal protestations... just look at how the average person lives vs. what they say their lives are like. Come on... we're a nation of pathological liars and confabulators.

A serious drama to handle a story with abortion as the right answer might be the ticket for folks of the more enlightened ilk. I don't see that happening in 'Merkuh any time soon. It's a shame. We do indeed live under the iron heel of the fundie 'Merkaaner cult. But I'd still like to see it happen.

I watched Knocked Up and laughed my ass off, but I only watched it because my sister-in-law forced me to take the DVD home. It'll be the same with Juno and I anticipate another howling from my living room. At the same time, I'll share Ellen's hangover knowing the real cultural damage being wrought because the fundies do rule our Nation-cult, while the fantasy Hollywood (or "indie") ending when it comes to teen or unplanned pregnancies NEVER happens regardless of the delusionals involved. Yay.

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I don't think Ellen G. saw Juno
Posted by: leighsure on Jan 3, 2008 9:22 PM   
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Juno is a modern-day screwball comedy, relying on fastpaced, snappy patter with an edge. It was FUNNY about an unfunny situation. If this had been about getting an abortion, there would not have been the situations that allowed for much of the two-edged sword skewering within.
As someone above noted, the real world should be about choice, and not to have an abortion is one of those choices. Yes, it would have been a little more realistic if the "abortion clinic" had been a real setting like Planned Parenthood, but then maybe I'm too used to the educated populace in my environs.
This is a film about sixteen-year-olds, not exactly the most mature demographic. Juno allowed the two parties involved in the pregnancy to actually grow up some in unpredictable ways, but they were mature enough to know that KEEPING the baby was never an option. I'm sorry that some people or their mothers grew up in an era where that was not even a choice, but that was then.

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Being pro=choice doesn't mean...
Posted by: Fade on Jan 4, 2008 10:12 AM   
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That I don't know which is the really more responsible thing to do. I'm all about having the choice to get rid of the baby before it is born and becomes an actual human being. But that doesn't mean its the "right" thing.

And before you start, spare me the violent daddy rape scenarios...

I have experienced 4 kids, five abortions, and three miscarriages in my life. Now, no, I didn't have to get on the table and have the baby sucked out of me, cause yep- I am a guy. But I was there, I was ready to stand responsible for my part in the pregnancy, and I deferred to the woman's choice in each instance, because hey- it's her body. Do I wish those unborn possibilities were my kids now? Hell no. I have 4 great kids, who, although perhaps unplanned- were a decision we decided to follow through with.

So, even though it was smarter, easier, and financially better to abort those five kids, it doesn't mean it was the right thing to do. I know that. I accept it. Am I party to murder? Of course not. But all those abortions occurred a decade ago, when I was running around