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47,000 Women Could Die As a Result of the New Mammogram Guidelines

Cost-benefit analysis can kill. Scaling back on mammograms, as a government task force suggested, could result in 47,000 unnecessary deaths.
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Cost-benefit analysis can kill. The failure to distinguish statistics from arithmetic can kill. In the current debate over mammograms, the number of women projected to be at risk of death due to cost-benefit analysis is about 47,000.

That is the approximate number projected to die by the United States Preventive Services Task Force (USPSTF), if its recommendations on scaling back mammograms had been accepted. It is the task force's number, if you do the arithmetic, which it apparently did not.

USPSTF statistics say that the life of “only” one woman in 1,900 will be saved if mammograms start at age 40 instead of age 50. In other words, a 40-year-old woman’s “risk” of dying from breast cancer in the next 10 years is only 1 in 1,900. That seems like no risk at all. 1 divided by 1,900 equals .000526. About half a woman per 1,000. Minuscule, right?

Now, how many women in America would be affected?

The most recent (July 2008) census figures say there are about 304,000,000 Americans, of which 50.7 percent are female. That’s about 154,000,000 females. Roughly 80,000,000 of them are under 40 and about another 20,000,000 between 40 and 50. Of the 80,000,000 under 40, each one, under the proposed guidelines, would not get a mammogram until age 50. If “only” 1 in 1,900 die as a result, that would be .000526 times 80,000,000, which equals about 42,000.

In short, moving the mammogram age from 40 to 50 would result in the deaths of 42,000 women now 40 or under, according to the statistics of the Preventive Services Task Force. Of the 20,000,000 between 40 and 50, it could mean the deaths of as many as 10,500 women, though the figure may be somewhat lower because half are more than halfway through the critical period. There might be as few as half, say, 5,000 deaths. Adding 42,000 and 5,000, we get a ballpark figure of 47,000 of currently living American females who would die needlessly under the proposed task force restriction on mammograms. Of course, as more are born, the absolute numbers would go up.

What is at issue is called “framing.” The Preventive Services Task Force chose the probability of risk frame: only 1 in 1,900. But the arithmetic frame reveals the more important truth.

Framing, in this case as in so many others, is a matter of life and death. Take the framing in the New York Times (Nov. 18, 2009) in the front-page news analysis by Kevin Sack and in the op-ed by Robert Aronowitz. Sack frames the mammogram debate as the “science of medicine” versus “medical consumerism.” Aronowitz calls it “wishful thinking” that early mammograms could help, and speaks of “the very small numbers of lives potentially saved.”

You can see why cost-benefit analysis can kill. Its use isn’t science. Real scientists do arithmetic as well as statistics. Medical science is about real people, not percentages or statistics, especially when large numbers of real people are involved and small differences in risk can produce large numbers of deaths.

The Preventive Services Task Force also uses the “harm” frame. The task force observes that more mammograms mean more false positives and claims that false positives do “harm.” But no science is presented showing that the harm done is greater than the deaths of 47,000 women.

What is the "harm"? Anxiety and unnecessary biopsies from false positives are listed as the harms. My wife had such a false positive. The anxiety came for economic reasons: she had to wait for a biopsy because no one who could perform one was present when the mammogram was done, due to economic restrictions. The biopsy when it came was simple: a needle inserted to withdraw fluid, like taking a blood sample. No harm. If the biopsy had been done immediately, there would have been no need for anxiety. But the task force does not recommend immediate biopsies as a way to eliminate such “harm.”

Aronowitz also claims the figures show that mammograms haven’t helped prevent breast cancer. He observes that the rate of 28 breast cancer deaths per 100,000 people has not changed substantially since the 1950s, despite more mammography and better treatments. But that could mean, and probably does mean, that there has been an increase in breast cancer offset by earlier detection and better treatment, saving tens of thousands of lives, but not affecting the overall rate. But he did not consider the possibility that the occurrence of breast cancer might have increased, while the rate of deaths did not change because of earlier detection due to mammograms.

I suspect that the real harm intended is economic harm – the costs of the “unnecessary” mammograms and biopsies. But the task force gives no figures weighing the economic costs versus the human cost of the deaths of 47,000 women. Now, in cost-benefit analysis, a commonly cited figure for the value of an American life is $6.5 million. Forty-seven thousand times 6.5 million is $305,500,000,000. That is, 305 billion 500 million dollars. Of course, that would be spread over the next 40 years, but it’s not clear that such a cost-benefit analysis would make this less than the cost of mammograms and biopsies, all moral issues and human costs aside. Unfortunately, the Preventive Services Task Force doesn’t do the calculation, so my figures may be off. The exact figures are not the point. The point is to go beyond rates to numbers.


George Lakoff is the author of Don't Think of an Elephant: Know Your Values and Frame the Debate' (Chelsea Green). He is Professor of Linguistics at the University of California at Berkeley and a Senior Fellow of the Rockridge Institute.
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Framing? or a cynical ploy to enrich the medical industrial complex?
Posted by: cplot on Nov 25, 2009 1:23 AM   
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You claim this cost benefit analysis is merely about framing and that the proper way to frame things is in terms of the absolute numbers and not the rates. However, everywhere else the comparison is made in terms of the rate. So the absolute numbers come out to 42,000 women? It might also be that tens of thousands will die because they received to many x-ray mammograms. So this simply looks to be another ploy to enrich the medical industrial complex by pretending that anytime we don't enrich them we are callously killing women.

Another thing right-winger like you like to sweep under the rug is that we somehow do not ration healthcare in America because we leave it to the free market. However, markets are a method of rationing. Markets ration products and services by granting those products and services tot hose willing and able to pay the most for them. So while we can provide all the mammograms these women might want and save all 42,000 of them, we are undoubtedly diverting resources from elsewhere that could result in hundreds of thousands or millions of deaths.

But in your framing to bolster the already wild profits of the medical industrial complex you can't be troubled to consider that wholesale slaughter of human life, can you.

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I wonder how many women get cancer FROM mammograms?
Posted by: rafaeltoral on Nov 25, 2009 2:22 AM   
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As to opposed to how many die from not getting mammograms.

I hear wearing pink ribbons is a good way to prevent breast cancer. Or at least that is what it would appear many people think.

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Rather Myopic
Posted by: Purple Girl on Nov 25, 2009 4:06 AM   
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Granted Breast cancer is a major issue for woman, but so is Ovarian cancer. Where is all the screaming about developing a test for that?
Womans healthc issues have also changed as our Role in society has. We are now at high risk for Heart disease. But I hear no one demanding regular echocardiograms. And what about the wave of Pancreatic and Colon cancers?
Heres the thing- Women are not the onlyy ones with Breasts- so should men also get annual mammograms as well?
I've had about 5 experiences with the Tit vice and all came back 'Inconclusive'- So how effective is it, anyway.
Frankly I, personally, would be better served with a yearly chest X ray since I'm a smoker.

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It remains a personal choice.
Posted by: PJAW on Nov 25, 2009 4:18 AM   
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Despite all the studies that have been done, it appears that it is inconclusive whether regular mammograms begun at 40 result in any benefit to the population generally. Certainly some lives are saved by early detection while others may be damaged by frequent exposure to ionizing radiation.

The correct position to take is, they help some and injure others and the choice of whether to undertake them should belong to the individual, using personal family history and statistical studies for guidance. And certainly those who choose to have them should enjoy the comfort of knowing that the procedure is covered by their insurance.

It appears to me that many Americans tend to want to establish procedures and processes that remove the burden of thinking and personal responsibility from their lives. At least that's how they behave, with little thought and no responsibility. When this is blended with an overriding obsession about money, dysfunction ensues. But we have the "best health care in the world", right?

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» only partly personal Posted by: mgmyers79

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Taking only one thing into account...
Posted by: heid on Nov 25, 2009 4:31 AM   
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...as is done in this article, skews the truth. Only one piece of the puzzle is used to give an impression that many will die if mammograms are not routinely used in women before age 50. There's so much more to it than that.

How many will die of breast cancer from mammography radiation? How many will suffer, and even die, from unneeded treatment? How much angst will happen for false positives? How many who would have survived early stage cancer will die from the extremities of modern medical mill cancer treatment?

Doesn't the author realize that one of the most significant factors in reaching the decision not to recommend mammography before age 50 has been studies that indicate many early-stage cancers are cured by the body?

In fact, the single most important issue in all this is the claim that early detection equates to longer survival. When you consider that the survival rates are based on the date of diagnosis, not on the degree of cancer, it becomes obvious that the whole thing is a scam. Comparing only those with early diagnosis against those with late diagnosis, as the medical establishment is doing, produces no meaningful information. It certainly doesn't mean that lives are actually extended, because it doesn't take into account how long those who are never diagnosed will live. There is no evidence showing that mortality is lower with early cancer detection (with the possible exception of a couple of blood and lymph based types).

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Hey there, Georgie Boy!
Posted by: NowAge on Nov 25, 2009 4:37 AM   
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It's interesting, and at the same time distressing to me that so many friends on the Left take to suckling from the breast of mainstream, conventional, science-driven medicine. As if the latest technology is always the best, because it's the latest. What about recent studies that have demonstrated that some cancers disappear as fast as they appear? I'm in the camp that thinks women are terrorized into fearing that they MAY be stricken by something they're unlikely to experience. Read my article: http://nowagepress.com/commentaries.html

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Death Panels!!
Posted by: Lloydmillerus on Nov 25, 2009 4:40 AM   
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Ah! No death panels, huh? Obamacare slates the mammogram panel to be an official panel with power to DETERMINE, not just recommend!

YES! The free market rations. . . but we do have a government safety net: medicaid and medicare to soften or eliminate that rationing.

Obamacare will give DEATH PANELS the power to KILL! Give me the alternatives and chances of freedom. NO POWER TO BUREAUCRATS! Their "recommendations" are bad enough!

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Is this what we voted for?
Posted by: mrbillwilson on Nov 25, 2009 4:45 AM   
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so how is that hope and change working out now?

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Gina D
Posted by: GinaDCG on Nov 25, 2009 4:52 AM   
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Why does every discussion now end up being somehow about "Obama?"

Whether or not breast (and prostate) screenings are advisable for asymptomatic public with no risk factors has been debated in the health care field for years. Can we just look at this argument on it's own merit without putting on those tin hats that tell us anything and everything that happens these days has something to do with politics?

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Screening for cancer
Posted by: chrysalis124812 on Nov 25, 2009 5:35 AM   
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The huge industry of screening healthy (insured of course)people for cancer to "protect" them is so bogus. If we had healthy unadulterated diets and unpolluted air and water cancer would not be stalking the land. Do you see the health care leaders coming out strong on any of these issues?
Meanwhile poor ( AKA working class) people go without the benefit of even basic health clinics.

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This is just wrong
Posted by: pharmawatcher on Nov 25, 2009 5:34 AM   
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Wrong on the guidelines; wrong on the math; and wrong on public health.

Wrong on the guidelines: they didn't call for eliminating all mammograms under 50; they called for discussing the issue with your doctor, and recommended against annual screening for women without other risk factors for breast cancer, which include family history, smoking and obesity.

Wrong on the math: It wouldn't cost $500 million to screen all women under 50 annually; it would cost an extra $2 billion (about half of women are getting screened now, so that's 10 million x $200 per mammogram). But the mammography doesn't save 1 out of 1,900 for each year of screening. Those 1,900 women would have to be screened for 10 years to save that life. So it's a 10-year, $20 billion program in addition to the $20 billion being spent now to save those 47,000 lives (I'm assuming the $2 billion being spent annually now is saving half those lives). That's $40 billion or nearly $1 million per life saved. I wouldn't adopt Great Britain's threshold of $50,000 per life saved for endorsing medical technologies. But it is worth pointing out that their universal health care system has longer life expectancy than ours.

Which gets to the bottom line, which is that Mr. Lakoff is dead wrong on public health. Imagine what you could do with an additional $4 billion spent on cancer prevention. You could offer free smoking cessation programs to the nation's 20 million smokers. You could offer free gym memberships and dietary counseling to the obese. You could spread the word among women that artificial hormone therapy after menopause is a significant cancer risk. This would be some of the components of a real cancer prevention program.

Instead, Alternet contributes to a media frenzy that has made it almost impossible to talk about what works and what doesn't in health care. Here's my read on where Mr. Lakoff's "frame" will take us: Health care costs will continue to skyrocket. Rationing will become inevitable. And when rationing comes, it will be by price and income, not by what works and what doesn't.

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Sebelius, Bovine droppings and mammograms--none of these fight cancer.
Posted by: Prinzowhales on Nov 25, 2009 6:03 AM   
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Mammograms are an expensive public nuisance that provide a great deal of profit for the machine makers and the quacks who peddle the service. Many tumors disappear spontaneously. Catching them early leads to costly interventions that may well not be necessary and could very well lead to cancer--since Tamoxifen is a major carcinogen that the quacks use against breast cancer.

Instead of touting mammography, Sebelius and the clown brigade in Washington should be publicizing the proven benefits of Vitamin D, C, iodine and a properly functioning thyroid, and Omega 3s...The only thing is that there is no real money in these...there is no money for 'health' care providers in good health.

America's 'health' care system is broken from the top, down and needs to be fixed, neutered, sterilized, stomped on and flushed. Remember who approved Vioxx? The same jackasses peddling mammograms.

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women/mammograms
Posted by: rose448 on Nov 25, 2009 7:08 AM   
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Well you know the insurance companies must be behind this suddenly new finding. that way, they won't have to pay for a multitude of mammograms, nor will poor women qualify for free ones. Get ready for the insurance companies to punish their customers in any ways they can due to "getting us back" for what piss poor 'health care reform' we will end up getting!

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The last two comments are spot on!
Posted by: mtnprivy on Nov 25, 2009 7:14 AM   
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Prevention equals living healthy!

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Wrong two
Posted by: mtnprivy on Nov 25, 2009 7:21 AM   
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Of course I meant the comments of prinzowales and pharmawatcher. Spot on!

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Squealing the loudest
Posted by: wolfbite on Nov 25, 2009 7:23 AM   
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those making the most noise about this mammogram issue appear to be the ones who may lose the most money in terms of customers and/or donations.......or the truely ignorant!

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DAnnara
Posted by: DAnnara on Nov 25, 2009 7:41 AM   
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For me, cancer screenings are a total waste of money. I refused to let the Dr.s fill me with untested drugs (birth control) decade after decade. I breast fed 5 babies as my body was designed to do. I am confident that my body is not lurking around breathlessly waiting to kill me.
Pap smears are looking for cells that MIGHT become cancerous in 10 or 20 years. (Can the same crystal ball come up with winning lottery numbers?)
Mammograms look for tissue changes. Get real. My breasts go through changes every month. They get tender just before every period. I see no reason to panic over normal stuff. What I find to be dangerous is smashing them in a machine and then having needles inserted just to be sure. How dumb is that?
Want to live longer???? Live without fearing your own body. A positive attitude will do wonders.
Those of you monthly making health insurance shareholders richer year after year are free to do so. I'll spend my $ on my family and stay away from the madness.

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No, 47,000 women could follow their doctor's advice and ignore the new guidlines.
Posted by: moloko velocet on Nov 25, 2009 7:52 AM   
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YET NOT ONE WORD ABOUT THIS~~~~
Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on Nov 25, 2009 8:22 AM   
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THE OTHER BREAST CANCER

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Obama the Doctor
Posted by: McGovern72! on Nov 25, 2009 9:45 AM   
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Hey, this is exactly what all the Left spent 2008 promoting & voting for. These guys are up there thanks to you.

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The US Preventative Services Task Force
Posted by: harpy on Nov 25, 2009 9:53 AM   
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is an independent panel of private sector experts, according to http://www.ahrq.gov/clinic/USpstfab.htm. They are recommending, not mandating. Also, mammograms do not PREVENT cancer, they detect. The panel was considering preventative measures, which radiating breasts certainly does not do. What part of radiation danger does Lakoff not realize? Would he place his balls between 2 pieces of metal which squeeze them flat and then dose them up good with radiation every year? How about an MRI or thermography?

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There's a danger from too much screening, too
Posted by: katinmn on Nov 25, 2009 10:06 AM   
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Radiation accumulates in the body. Some aren't troubled by small amounts of radiation but others are.

I agreed with the panel's other points as well. The controversy shows how important screening guidelines are to public health and policy making.

AHRQ is one of the more reputable government agencies. The organization is research-based and their conclusions are based on scientific evidence. Most doctors I know agree with the stats in the recommendations but they reserve the right to advise women on an individual basis based on their own set of risks.

However, the make-up of the panel is of concern. While the panel did not have even one radiation or cancer specialist, it had some members with ties to insurance companies which is a clear conflict of interest. Government entities will only win back trust if they kick the industry folks off these public advisory panels. They have to be cleaner than clean.
Flesh & Stone

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George Lakoff out of his depth on this one
Posted by: CJC on Nov 25, 2009 10:16 AM   
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George Lakoff is an intelligent linguist and has contributed insights on how rhetoric shapes ("frames") what we understand from what we hear and read.

But he is not a statistician nor a medical scientist with expertise in public health policy.

In any case, to the extent that mammography screening is sometimes useful in detecting tumors that would continue to grow at an early stage so that a woman lives to an older age (not just more years from diagnosis to death) than she would if her cancer were detected later, more would be gained, ie # of deaths prevented, by increasing the proportion of women who get mammography - now less than 60%, I believe - than screening the same group of women more often. This too is arithmetic.

These new guidelines have unleashed a lot of hysteria from women believing that once again we are being dissed by a sexist society to Democrats convinced that it's a kind of right-wing or corporatist effort to save $$ at the expense of lives.

And by the way, a lot of the epidemiologists involved in analyzing the effect of screening programs on public health are both female and generally politically progressive.

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This Post Is Filled With Misinformation
Posted by: maggiemahar on Nov 25, 2009 10:28 AM   
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First, the Task Force did Not tell women ages 40-50 to avoid mammograms.

Here is what it actually said:

"USPSTF recommends against routine screening mammography in women aged 40 to 49 years. The decision to start regular, biennial screening mammography before the age of 50 years should be an individual one and take patient context into account, including the patient's values regarding specific benefits and harms."

"So, what does this mean if you are a woman in your 40s? You should talk to your doctor and make an informed decision about whether a mammography is right for you based on your family history, general health, and personal values."

Diana Petitti, MD, MPH
Vice Chair, U.S. Preventive Services Task Force
November 19, 2009"

The key word here is ROUTINE.
The Task Force says that women 40-50 should not Automatically have mammograms. They should talk to their doctor, and together, make a decision, taking CONTEXT into account.

Context includes family history. IF your sister and mother both had breast cancer that is going to affect your decision.

Secondly, the "harm" that comes from mammograms is not, as Lakoff speculates, merely "anxiety."

Here is what the largest study that reviews mammogram reserach reveals:

"“For every 2,000 women invited for screening throughout 10 years, one will have her life prolonged. In addition, 10 healthy women who would not have been diagnosed if there had not been screening, will be diagnosed as breast cancer patients and will be treated unnecessarily."

Unncessary treatment includes lumpectomies, mastectomies and radiation.

Often, mammograms detect tiny lesions in healthy women. If undetected, many of these lesions would go away on their own, without every hurting the woman.

Lakoff's post is filled with anecdotes, personal experience and "I suspects . . " No where does he cite medical evidence.

The truth is that if you are ages 40-49, your chances of dying of breast cancer over a 10 year period are .33% if you don't go for annual screening, .28% if you do. (Dr. Steve Woloshin.)

(By the way, mammograms are relatively cheap.
None of this is about the cost of mammogragram.
The Task Force does "Comparative effectiveness" reserach that looks at the effectiveness of treatments, regardless of cost. "Cost effectiveness reserach" is something entirely different.

Finally who is Geroge Lakoff?

He is not a M.D., not a medical reserach, not even a scientist.

He is a linguist who admires the way conservatives "frame issues" to persuade -- much the way advertisers use words to mislead.

Reading Lakoff's post, I am reminded of this statement by Dr. Adriane Fugh-Berman MD of Georgetown University Medical Center, and director of PharmedOut.org and Alicia M. Bell, project manager of PharmedOut and member of the board of directors of the National Women's Health Network,, talking about much of the criticism of the Task Force's statement:

"Vague, fact-free, emotionally charged statements are the language of public relations, not scientific discourse."

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A More Scary Title Would Have Been, "Gov Death Panels Are Real?"
Posted by: gnat on Nov 25, 2009 11:44 AM   
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Maybe Sarah Palin was not so nuts after all?

Relax wingers - only kidding (sort of).

However, if simply changing mammograms to bi-annual instead of annual checks on 40 to 50 year old ladies would save 4% of our overall annual medical cost (say $100 billion annually) will some future Gov Health Panel and numbers crunchers decide that *might* be worth the trade off of an extra few thousand middle age ladies dying from breast cancer?

Hmmmmm.

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WHERE ARE THE REST OF THE MAMMOGRAM STATISTICS?
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 25, 2009 12:08 PM   
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How many women have developed breast cancer as a result of annual mammograms? The new 'guidelines' have no basis at all. This is all about cost cutting. The equipment has long since been bought and paid for. The radiologists have to be paid for reading the results. Why did it take so long to come up with the number 47,000? This entire article is loosely woven and highly questionable. The timing couldn't be worse. ANNA

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1 in 1900 and medical consumerism...and a little perspective amongst the creationism.
Posted by: franklyspanking on Nov 25, 2009 12:44 PM   
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While 1 in 1900 women, on average, can reasonably be expected to be saved as a result of moving routine mammography to 50, consider the number of times you decrease your risk by altering life style choices.

Drinking, smoking, insisting on a bacon topping for three out of your five meals during the day all contribute massively to your risk of dieing from breast cancer, in addition to genetics and environmental exposures. Thus, the prAggressive war on McDonalds on behalf of all things breastly makes much sense.

...but, considering "teh maths", as the author does, if you're really into saving lives on an equal-opportunity basis, you'd do well to look into those nasty automobiles, what with their ~40 fold higher risk of death over the same time period and 220 fold higher probability of causing your demise over your lifetime (1:84!!!).

And they're almost all 100% preventable, unless you've found a 'bad driving gene*'.


*No jokes about...nevermind...it's all tai hao la. :P

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Senorita Bonita
Posted by: Senorita Bonita on Nov 25, 2009 12:49 PM   
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The recent mammogram facts have to be balanced against other information issued by the government.
http://www.cancer.gov/bcrisktool/
Other factors may also affect risk and are not accounted for by the tool. These factors include previous radiation therapy to the chest for the treatment of Hodgkin lymphoma or recent migration from a region with low breast cancer rates, such as rural China. The tool's risk calculations assume that a woman is screened for breast cancer as in the general U.S. population. . A woman who does not have mammograms will have somewhat lower chances of a diagnosis of breast cancer.

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A wayyyy better alternative
Posted by: sundi on Nov 25, 2009 12:57 PM   
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Why in the world women continue to abuse themselves with mammograms is beyond me when a better, safer, painless method is available? Digital Infrared Thermal Imaging (DITI) has been around for a long time now. It does not emit radiation (which causes cancer), it does not compress the breast (which causes cancer), and it provides a more accurate screening than its dangerous, industry-driven alternative. I have zero interest in this industry, but have been using it as a screening tool for over 10 yrs now and recommended it to everyone I know. I'm disappointed that Lakoff would not know about DITI - but then again, mainstream is never gonna tell you about it.
Anybody that wants to know more can do a simple search... here's one site:
www.ditiimaging.com .

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I had a mammogram once
Posted by: wireup on Nov 25, 2009 1:11 PM   
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about 20 years ago. The doctor lied to me about the amount of radiation I took in as a result of this "test". Also, it hurt like hell.

After thinking about it, I decided NEVER to have another one of these miserable "tests".

Think about it. When you go to the dentist and he/she takes xrays, what's the first thing that is done before taking the xrays? You are covered with a lead apron, from chest to crotch. Why? To protect the vulnerable parts of your body from the xray, to protect you from inducing cancer.

So, you're then telling me that it's perfectly okay to irradiate the chest to determine if you have cancer? Does this make any sense? Not to me it doesn't!

It seems to me that this "test" is simply a way to create fodder for the CANCER INDUSTRY of this country. And INDUSTRY it is. There are many many cures for cancer which are not acknowledged in this country because they make no money for the INDUSTRY. As far as I'm concerned, the INDUSTRY can go to the devil. I'll take care of myself, thank you very much, without this "test"!

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BRING BACK THE OLD GEORGE LAKOFF !!
Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 25, 2009 2:38 PM   
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I don't get all this. Before the world of modern medicine, mammograms and biopses were unheard of and women were doing just fine, sort of. So Sebelius has all the time to put out some complicated "cost-benefit analysis" but what about saving lives thanks to other factors such as lack of insurance, bad medicine, bad doctors, bad lawyers, etc...?

Where is the old George Lakoff ?!?!?

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Why on earth would women subject themselves to mammograms?
Posted by: djstyle25 on Nov 25, 2009 3:21 PM   
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Do they have a mammography machine that smashes men's testicles together in search of the almighty testicular cancer? OF COURSE NOT

Why not build a mammography machine that smashes your head together so we can maybe find some brain cancer? Oh wait, we don't have that either.

Seriously if women want to have two cold, robotic like structures callously fondling their breasts they should call their husbands.

Women do not need mammograms...they need exercise, vitamin d, and healthy living.

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big picture
Posted by: jegnj on Nov 25, 2009 3:48 PM   
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You are missing the big picture. Many women suffer from excess radiation due to these clumsy, inefficient, inaccurate tests. Ten years of radiation can CAUSE a breast cancer. The answer isn't who should and shouldn't get them - but to come up with a better test that does not involve radiation. 70%, yes 70% of breast cancers are found by palpating the breast, not from these 50+ yr old tests.
You are ignoring the fact that breast x-rays miss many cancers as well - if you have dense breasts then x-rays are more than a waste of time - they give false negatives.
Of course the ACS is against this. They have hawked mammograms for over 50 yrs with no scientific evidence of their effectiveness. Of course many board members of the ACS are radiologists who profit handsomely from these antiquated tests.

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Stop the Hysteria
Posted by: qwertyu on Nov 25, 2009 7:34 PM   
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all other industrialized countries start mammograms on women 50 and over and their breast cancer rates are about the sam. All of this sounds and fury over these recommendations comes from hysteria, and from people not being informed, including this author.

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I knew margarine wasn't good for us
Posted by: Berynice on Nov 25, 2009 7:47 PM   
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and I know that mammograms aren't so good either. The data clearly shows that it helps catch cancer in women over 50 and doesn't help/harms women under 50. Sending a bunch of x-rays through our breasts on an annual basis from 30+ years old is probably not that good for their chances of contracting cancer. Duh. More of the same fix it after it happens rather than prevent it mentality.

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Grateful for Mammograms
Posted by: Urstrly on Nov 25, 2009 9:23 PM   
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I've had routine mammograms for years, beginning in my forties with a "baseline" and more regularly into my fifties. Because I have lumpy breasts (with calcium deposits) these were scrutinized carefully. When my radiologist found something several years ago and told me to get a biopsy, I comforted myself that it was probably just calcium.

But it wasn't. The tiny tumor was malignant and estrogen positive. I had a lumpectomy and I'll take tamoxofen for five years. No radiation, no heavy chemo.

When I compare the relatively light treatment I received with that of friends who have had larger tumors, radical surgery, and rounds and rounds of treatment, I am so grateful to have had a top-notch radiologist.

Mine was a slow-growing tumor and my oncologist says I would not have detected it for several years with self-examination. But if it had not been discovered when it was, my treatment would have been far more extensive and expensive, not to mention debilitating.

I worry that this study is going to mean that a lot of women of moderate means will not have access to mammograms, and that's too bad. The technology has improved over the years, emitting far less radiation than initially, and we can assume that it won't continue to improve if funding stops.

I side with Lakoff and Sebelius.

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Again, the ACS aren't even supporting mammograms anymore!
Posted by: jparsons on Nov 25, 2009 11:03 PM   
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Here's an analysis by a doctor who has been commenting on this difficulty for decades.

Mammograms?

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Its all about...
Posted by: Romans1 on Nov 26, 2009 6:22 AM   
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...controlling the cost of the public option. You think this will be the only thing for which early detection will be discouraged? Think of all the cancers (prostate, colon, etc). The government run option will not pay for any of those tests because they know that is an easy way to control costs. And if people die, all the better because dead people dont cost ANYTHING to take care of.

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Get Real
Posted by: qwertyu on Nov 26, 2009 6:46 AM   
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All other industrialized countries start mammograms for women who are 50 and over, this is NOT linked to the current health care debate as this has been argued by health professionals for the past ten years.

People are getting hysterical because they are ill-informed.

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Lakoff simplifies and polarizes
Posted by: rgramenz on Nov 26, 2009 7:16 AM   
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I think George Lakoff has some excellent ideas and his analysis of "framing" can be very helpful. His article here regarding mammography is baffling. Mammograms have risks (they may cause radiation induced cancer and may lead to all kinds of other risks once a woman is reeled into the medical industrial complex), and benefits (finding a cancer earlier). Lakoff doesn't bother with exploring the complexity of the situation, he seems to use the recommendations of the USPS Task Force as a springboard for arguing "mammogram always good, trying to spend money in health care wisely always bad". I definitely will read him with skepticism from now on.

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Just as many could die from the cancer caused by the radiation
Posted by: judette on Nov 26, 2009 7:54 AM   
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It's one thing if you absolutely HAVE to have an x-ray of any kind. But they all carry risks. The risks were weighed against the benefits and MOST women at that time of life are not as apt to NEED one. If you want to take the risk you are welcome to, but I don't think scare tactics should be used to sell them. Anyone at any age can have a cancer ravage their bodies. And..should be allowed to benefit from ANY of the forms of treatments available. It should be their preference. Remember... doctors make kickbacks from the pharmaceuticals they prescribe and everything else related, I'm sure. Also, doctors are not taught about the alternatives to conventional chemical medicine. The companies producing these TOXIC substances are funding the schools. Can you connect the dots? It could be a matter of life and death.

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"Treatment" and $$$
Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Nov 26, 2009 12:33 PM   
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Most cancer "treatment" isn't about cure. Most cancer "treatment" is about $$$.

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Breastfeeding cuts cancer risk 59 % in high risk women
Posted by: plantland on Nov 26, 2009 5:01 PM   
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According to a fall study in Annals of Internal Medicine by Allison Stuebe, an analysis of women with close female relatives who had had breast cancer revealed that women who managed to breastfeed for a mere three months, cut their risk of breast cancer.

She speculated that engorgement that did not lead to breastfeeding correlated to later breast cnacer, since women who took drugs(to dry them up) had somewhat less cancer than those who didn't take those drugs.

But looking at older women considered high risk due to sisters or mothers, the ones who breastfed were more likely not to have had breast cancer.

Stuebe now has a lactation center in Chapel Hill NC.

This is a good way to prevent cancer and should be emulated.

Secretary Sibelius shoud vist there, learn more, and report back to the Cabinet that they should explore ways to help women stay home for three months after childbirth.

This should not be a gender equity concern.

Of course,breastfeeding helps the baby's health as well.

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Orwellian, Machaiavelleian and Kafkaesque
Posted by: coeurl on Nov 26, 2009 6:08 PM   
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This well-meaning essay into elementary math makes a distressing and widespread assumption, which shows both how medical empiricism has been corrupted by market forces, and popular thinking on these topics has been warped out of logic and critical judgment by market-vitiated medical ideology. It's made worse by how researchers and medical commentators avoid, at all costs and with textbook hysterical indifference, public awareness of widespread iatrogenic damages. Few even recognize the word, but more every day...

One of the neater tricks the consent engineers on this particular project have pulled off is to lump useful, innocuous pap testing with mammography, which is neither -- dramatically the contrary! People die and are maimed, physically and emotionally, after false-positive mammograms, but that's just the tip of a septic, mucilaginous iceberg toward which we steer, titanically insouciant how silly we are not to understand that squeezing a woman's breasts in a vise and blasting them from all sides with high-energy ionizing radiation causes 22% more breast cancers than occur in un-irradiated controls, according to an enormous study.

Zahl P. “The Natural History of Invasive Breast Cancers Detected by Screening Mammography”. Archives of Internal Medicine. 2008;168(21):2311-2316.

Scariest of all -- and one of the reasons we're not hearing it trumpeted on the late-night class-action law-firm commercials where the next medico-pharmaceutical mega-blunder always breaks water -- the people whose study generated this data (and who or close pals of whom, I'm guessing, still owe close to full capital on the mortgages of a huge array of mammography devices) decided in the face of these results, which fairly shrieked "radiation damage!" in their faces, that it must instead be that a lot of untreated breast cancers are getting better spontaneously, and "the natural history of breast cancer" needs to be looked into more closely.

Many people who blather on this issue mean well, or are just scared witless, but far and growing too many others are blinded by their profit motive or, worse, their inability to face up to the heinous truth their guilt and complicity entail.

caveat emptor

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Bill
Posted by: mycuz on Nov 26, 2009 8:06 PM   
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Mr. Lakoff is proof of the old saying " there are three kinds of lies, lies, damned lies and statistics" The facts do not bear out all the mathematical crap that he posited. There are numerous studies that show that "ionizing radiation " mammography causes more cancer. Cumulative radiation over a period of ten years increases the risk of breast cancer significantly. For those that are really interested they should take the time to do their research, and not depend on some one that wants to skew numbers. Mammography is big business, and if you will note the hue and cry about the new guidelines, the loudest voices are radiologists and equipment makers.
the information is there and women should not be subjected to cancer causing radiation

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Mammograms for women in China but not in Liechtenstein?
Posted by: RedAaron on Nov 26, 2009 11:13 PM   
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By Lakoff's argument in favor of considering the total number of women's lived saved and not the probability in an individual case, it would make sense to start mammograms for women in China or India from birth, but never give mammograms to women in Liechtenstein, and certainly not in Palau, Nauru or Tuvalu.

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Utter nonsense.
Posted by: Reality Lover on Nov 28, 2009 8:34 AM   
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Lakoff isn't a right winger. Worse. He's the kind of leftie that wants to pontificate on every topic, whether or not he understands it. The US Preventive Service has not recommended that women under 50 be prohibited from receiving mammograms. The service has recommended that routine mammograms for women under 50 not be automatic, but rather a decision made by an ADULT WOMAN, with her doctor, and taking into account her risk factors and other aspects of her personal medical history and preferences. Certainly we can trust ADULT WOMEN to make appropriate decisions on their own behalf, can we not?

I'm a progressive adult female and I resent the intrusion of George Lakoff and his 'three R's' into this conversation. I am not a child. I am going to discuss this with my physician, not a political marketing specialist or, God forbid, a politician.

Lakoff, why don't you go out and sell universal single payer health care and leave the details of what care to request to the individual?

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Cancer is a Curable Fungus.
Posted by: EmilyCragg on Nov 28, 2009 7:24 PM   
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Mammagrams do not cure cancer.

Macrobiotics [correcting acid-base balance] cures cancer.

Duh. Allopathic medicine is SO FUNDAMENTALLY ignorant, they couldn't relieve the pain of a hangnail.

When we abandon allopathic medicine, big Pharma and secondary Insurance policies, we will begin healing.

The current "Health Care Reform" Bill is just another scam.

MECRagg, BS, MA, webmaster

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There are other factors.
Posted by: Ewatch on Nov 28, 2009 11:28 PM   
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The ten years of xrays, the squishing of fragile lesions, the spreading of cancer cells if a biopsy needle does hit a target - these seem to me to be additional ways one might be harmed.

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George Lakoff is absolutely wrong
Posted by: jcfried on Nov 30, 2009 10:18 PM   
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Here are the numbers and the arithmetic executed properly.

According to the 2000 US Census there are 21,515,659 women aged 40-49.

According to http://www.imaginis.com/breasthealth the probability of a women in the 40-49 age group contracting breast cancer is 1/68, so the expected number of breast cancers in this age group is 316,407.

According to United States Preventive Services Task Force (USPSTF) dropping automatic mammograms for the 40-49 age group ONLY will increase the risk that 1/1900 of those contracting breast cancer will die from it because they missed the automatic mammogram. This is the key point. The 1/1900 does not apply to ALL women in the 40-49 age group, only to that subgroup (316,407) that are [on average] expected to contract the disease.

Therefore the number of possible deaths due to missing the automatic annual mammogram for women in the age group 40-49 is the number expected to contract the disease divided by 1900 [the USPSTF number]. That count is 167, not in the tens of thousands as this author estimated.

And it is this number 167, or 1/1900, that must be compared against the increase risk of cancers for all of the 21,515,659 women due to the x-rays. The point that the USPSTF group was trying to raise was that the x-ray cancer deaths due to annual mammograms of 21,515,659 may exceed the 167 deaths due to missing the annual mammograms.

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One more important point
Posted by: jcfried on Nov 30, 2009 10:31 PM   
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First of all Mr. Lakoff's 47,000 number of additional deaths cannot be correct because there are only 30,824 deaths due to breast cancer in the US total. Dropping mammograms for women in the 40-49 year age group can only affect them. While its true that the effect can stretch into additional cancers in the 50+ age group, it cannot be that great an addition given the overall total.

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The Silence About Thermography is Deafening
Posted by: arroyowash on Dec 1, 2009 7:42 AM   
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This bru-ha-ha over the mammography guidelines is an opportunity for women to rethink the programming they have received for years about mammography, and make the switch to thermography.

Thermography is the safer form of screening. No radiation, no painful compression. And best of all, earlier detection.

Cancer cells are typically in the body 10-20 years before the mass gets large enough to be noticed. As a tumor forms, it develops its own blood supply to feed its accelerated growth and this increased blood flow can increase the surface temperatures of the breast. Pre-cancerous tissues can start this process well in advance of the cells becoming malignant. Thermography measures the skin's autonomic response to that inflammation – its "heat signature."

Modern thermography can detect suspicions of cancer's formation sometimes 10 years earlier than mammography.

It is also time to talk more about the fact cancer is preventable. Two years ago, the Susan G. Komen organization quietly issued a study that found breast cancer to be an environmental disease, one brought on in great part by exposure to toxic chemicals. Prevention is the best medicine. Let us demand that those pink ribbons not be put on water bottles containing BPA and toxic air fresheners. Let us stop raising money for "research" and start demanding that the Komen org, the American Cancer Society etc, do the work that no one else will do because it makes money for no one - educate women about the environmental and dietary contributions to illness.

Breast cancer is preventable. Thermography is a better screening tool. Women, demand that your doctor divest himself of his relationship with the mammography screening centers and use the technology that is better for the patient. It is your life. Be in control.

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Framing? or a cynical ploy to enrich the medical industrial complex?
Posted by: cplot on Nov 25, 2009 1:23 AM   
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You claim this cost benefit analysis is merely about framing and that the proper way to frame things is in terms of the absolute numbers and not the rates. However, everywhere else the comparison is made in terms of the rate. So the absolute numbers come out to 42,000 women? It might also be that tens of thousands will die because they received to many x-ray mammograms. So this simply looks to be another ploy to enrich the medical industrial complex by pretending that anytime we don't enrich them we are callously killing women.

Another thing right-winger like you like to sweep under the rug is that we somehow do not ration healthcare in America because we leave it to the free market. However, markets are a method of rationing. Markets ration products and services by granting those products and services tot hose willing and able to pay the most for them. So while we can provide all the mammograms these women might want and save all 42,000 of them, we are undoubtedly diverting resources from elsewhere that could result in hundreds of thousands or millions of deaths.

But in your framing to bolster the already wild profits of the medical industrial complex you can't be troubled to consider that wholesale slaughter of human life, can you.

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I wonder how many women get cancer FROM mammograms?
Posted by: rafaeltoral on Nov 25, 2009 2:22 AM   
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As to opposed to how many die from not getting mammograms.

I hear wearing pink ribbons is a good way to prevent breast cancer. Or at least that is what it would appear many people think.

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Rather Myopic
Posted by: Purple Girl on Nov 25, 2009 4:06 AM   
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Granted Breast cancer is a major issue for woman, but so is Ovarian cancer. Where is all the screaming about developing a test for that?
Womans healthc issues have also changed as our Role in society has. We are now at high risk for Heart disease. But I hear no one demanding regular echocardiograms. And what about the wave of Pancreatic and Colon cancers?
Heres the thing- Women are not the onlyy ones with Breasts- so should men also get annual mammograms as well?
I've had about 5 experiences with the Tit vice and all came back 'Inconclusive'- So how effective is it, anyway.
Frankly I, personally, would be better served with a yearly chest X ray since I'm a smoker.

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It remains a personal choice.
Posted by: PJAW on Nov 25, 2009 4:18 AM   
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Despite all the studies that have been done, it appears that it is inconclusive whether regular mammograms begun at 40 result in any benefit to the population generally. Certainly some lives are saved by early detection while others may be damaged by frequent exposure to ionizing radiation.

The correct position to take is, they help some and injure others and the choice of whether to undertake them should belong to the individual, using personal family history and statistical studies for guidance. And certainly those who choose to have them should enjoy the comfort of knowing that the procedure is covered by their insurance.

It appears to me that many Americans tend to want to establish procedures and processes that remove the burden of thinking and personal responsibility from their lives. At least that's how they behave, with little thought and no responsibility. When this is blended with an overriding obsession about money, dysfunction ensues. But we have the "best health care in the world", right?

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Taking only one thing into account...
Posted by: heid on Nov 25, 2009 4:31 AM   
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...as is done in this article, skews the truth. Only one piece of the puzzle is used to give an impression that many will die if mammograms are not routinely used in women before age 50. There's so much more to it than that.

How many will die of breast cancer from mammography radiation? How many will suffer, and even die, from unneeded treatment? How much angst will happen for false positives? How many who would have survived early stage cancer will die from the extremities of modern medical mill cancer treatment?

Doesn't the author realize that one of the most significant factors in reaching the decision not to recommend mammography before age 50 has been studies that indicate many early-stage cancers are cured by the body?

In fact, the single most important issue in all this is the claim that early detection equates to longer survival. When you consider that the survival rates are based on the date of diagnosis, not on the degree of cancer, it becomes obvious that the whole thing is a scam. Comparing only those with early diagnosis against those with late diagnosis, as the medical establishment is doing, produces no meaningful information. It certainly doesn't mean that lives are actually extended, because it doesn't take into account how long those who are never diagnosed will live. There is no evidence showing that mortality is lower with early cancer detection (with the possible exception of a couple of blood and lymph based types).

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Hey there, Georgie Boy!
Posted by: NowAge on Nov 25, 2009 4:37 AM   
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It's interesting, and at the same time distressing to me that so many friends on the Left take to suckling from the breast of mainstream, conventional, science-driven medicine. As if the latest technology is always the best, because it's the latest. What about recent studies that have demonstrated that some cancers disappear as fast as they appear? I'm in the camp that thinks women are terrorized into fearing that they MAY be stricken by something they're unlikely to experience. Read my article: http://nowagepress.com/commentaries.html

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Death Panels!!
Posted by: Lloydmillerus on Nov 25, 2009 4:40 AM   
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Ah! No death panels, huh? Obamacare slates the mammogram panel to be an official panel with power to DETERMINE, not just recommend!

YES! The free market rations. . . but we do have a government safety net: medicaid and medicare to soften or eliminate that rationing.

Obamacare will give DEATH PANELS the power to KILL! Give me the alternatives and chances of freedom. NO POWER TO BUREAUCRATS! Their "recommendations" are bad enough!

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Is this what we voted for?
Posted by: mrbillwilson on Nov 25, 2009 4:45 AM   
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so how is that hope and change working out now?

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Gina D
Posted by: GinaDCG on Nov 25, 2009 4:52 AM   
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Why does every discussion now end up being somehow about "Obama?"

Whether or not breast (and prostate) screenings are advisable for asymptomatic public with no risk factors has been debated in the health care field for years. Can we just look at this argument on it's own merit without putting on those tin hats that tell us anything and everything that happens these days has something to do with politics?

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Screening for cancer
Posted by: chrysalis124812 on Nov 25, 2009 5:35 AM   
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The huge industry of screening healthy (insured of course)people for cancer to "protect" them is so bogus. If we had healthy unadulterated diets and unpolluted air and water cancer would not be stalking the land. Do you see the health care leaders coming out strong on any of these issues?
Meanwhile poor ( AKA working class) people go without the benefit of even basic health clinics.

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This is just wrong
Posted by: pharmawatcher on Nov 25, 2009 5:34 AM   
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Wrong on the guidelines; wrong on the math; and wrong on public health.

Wrong on the guidelines: they didn't call for eliminating all mammograms under 50; they called for discussing the issue with your doctor, and recommended against annual screening for women without other risk factors for breast cancer, which include family history, smoking and obesity.

Wrong on the math: It wouldn't cost $500 million to screen all women under 50 annually; it would cost an extra $2 billion (about half of women are getting screened now, so that's 10 million x $200 per mammogram). But the mammography doesn't save 1 out of 1,900 for each year of screening. Those 1,900 women would have to be screened for 10 years to save that life. So it's a 10-year, $20 billion program in addition to the $20 billion being spent now to save those 47,000 lives (I'm assuming the $2 billion being spent annually now is saving half those lives). That's $40 billion or nearly $1 million per life saved. I wouldn't adopt Great Britain's threshold of $50,000 per life saved for endorsing medical technologies. But it is worth pointing out that their universal health care system has longer life expectancy than ours.

Which gets to the bottom line, which is that Mr. Lakoff is dead wrong on public health. Imagine what you could do with an additional $4 billion spent on cancer prevention. You could offer free smoking cessation programs to the nation's 20 million smokers. You could offer free gym memberships and dietary counseling to the obese. You could spread the word among women that artificial hormone therapy after menopause is a significant cancer risk. This would be some of the components of a real cancer prevention program.

Instead, Alternet contributes to a media frenzy that has made it almost impossible to talk about what works and what doesn't in health care. Here's my read on where Mr. Lakoff's "frame" will take us: Health care costs will continue to skyrocket. Rationing will become inevitable. And when rationing comes, it will be by price and income, not by what works and what doesn't.

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Sebelius, Bovine droppings and mammograms--none of these fight cancer.
Posted by: Prinzowhales on Nov 25, 2009 6:03 AM   
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Mammograms are an expensive public nuisance that provide a great deal of profit for the machine makers and the quacks who peddle the service. Many tumors disappear spontaneously. Catching them early leads to costly interventions that may well not be necessary and could very well lead to cancer--since Tamoxifen is a major carcinogen that the quacks use against breast cancer.

Instead of touting mammography, Sebelius and the clown brigade in Washington should be publicizing the proven benefits of Vitamin D, C, iodine and a properly functioning thyroid, and Omega 3s...The only thing is that there is no real money in these...there is no money for 'health' care providers in good health.

America's 'health' care system is broken from the top, down and needs to be fixed, neutered, sterilized, stomped on and flushed. Remember who approved Vioxx? The same jackasses peddling mammograms.

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women/mammograms
Posted by: rose448 on Nov 25, 2009 7:08 AM   
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Well you know the insurance companies must be behind this suddenly new finding. that way, they won't have to pay for a multitude of mammograms, nor will poor women qualify for free ones. Get ready for the insurance companies to punish their customers in any ways they can due to "getting us back" for what piss poor 'health care reform' we will end up getting!

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The last two comments are spot on!
Posted by: mtnprivy on Nov 25, 2009 7:14 AM   
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Prevention equals living healthy!

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Wrong two
Posted by: mtnprivy on Nov 25, 2009 7:21 AM   
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Of course I meant the comments of prinzowales and pharmawatcher. Spot on!

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Squealing the loudest
Posted by: wolfbite on Nov 25, 2009 7:23 AM   
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those making the most noise about this mammogram issue appear to be the ones who may lose the most money in terms of customers and/or donations.......or the truely ignorant!

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DAnnara
Posted by: DAnnara on Nov 25, 2009 7:41 AM   
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For me, cancer screenings are a total waste of money. I refused to let the Dr.s fill me with untested drugs (birth control) decade after decade. I breast fed 5 babies as my body was designed to do. I am confident that my body is not lurking around breathlessly waiting to kill me.
Pap smears are looking for cells that MIGHT become cancerous in 10 or 20 years. (Can the same crystal ball come up with winning lottery numbers?)
Mammograms look for tissue changes. Get real. My breasts go through changes every month. They get tender just before every period. I see no reason to panic over normal stuff. What I find to be dangerous is smashing them in a machine and then having needles inserted just to be sure. How dumb is that?
Want to live longer???? Live without fearing your own body. A positive attitude will do wonders.
Those of you monthly making health insurance shareholders richer year after year are free to do so. I'll spend my $ on my family and stay away from the madness.

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No, 47,000 women could follow their doctor's advice and ignore the new guidlines.
Posted by: moloko velocet on Nov 25, 2009 7:52 AM   
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YET NOT ONE WORD ABOUT THIS~~~~
Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on Nov 25, 2009 8:22 AM   
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THE OTHER BREAST CANCER

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Obama the Doctor
Posted by: McGovern72! on Nov 25, 2009 9:45 AM   
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Hey, this is exactly what all the Left spent 2008 promoting & voting for. These guys are up there thanks to you.

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The US Preventative Services Task Force
Posted by: harpy on Nov 25, 2009 9:53 AM   
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is an independent panel of private sector experts, according to http://www.ahrq.gov/clinic/USpstfab.htm. They are recommending, not mandating. Also, mammograms do not PREVENT cancer, they detect. The panel was considering preventative measures, which radiating breasts certainly does not do. What part of radiation danger does Lakoff not realize? Would he place his balls between 2 pieces of metal which squeeze them flat and then dose them up good with radiation every year? How about an MRI or thermography?

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There's a danger from too much screening, too
Posted by: katinmn on Nov 25, 2009 10:06 AM   
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Radiation accumulates in the body. Some aren't troubled by small amounts of radiation but others are.

I agreed with the panel's other points as well. The controversy shows how important screening guidelines are to public health and policy making.

AHRQ is one of the more reputable government agencies. The organization is research-based and their conclusions are based on scientific evidence. Most doctors I know agree with the stats in the recommendations but they reserve the right to advise women on an individual basis based on their own set of risks.

However, the make-up of the panel is of concern. While the panel did not have even one radiation or cancer specialist, it had some members with ties to insurance companies which is a clear conflict of interest. Government entities will only win back trust if they kick the industry folks off these public advisory panels. They have to be cleaner than clean.
Flesh & Stone

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George Lakoff out of his depth on this one
Posted by: CJC on Nov 25, 2009 10:16 AM   
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George Lakoff is an intelligent linguist and has contributed insights on how rhetoric shapes ("frames") what we understand from what we hear and read.

But he is not a statistician nor a medical scientist with expertise in public health policy.

In any case, to the extent that mammography screening is sometimes useful in detecting tumors that would continue to grow at an early stage so that a woman lives to an older age (not just more years from diagnosis to death) than she would if her cancer were detected later, more would be gained, ie # of deaths prevented, by increasing the proportion of women who get mammography - now less than 60%, I believe - than screening the same group of women more often. This too is arithmetic.

These new guidelines have unleashed a lot of hysteria from women believing that once again we are being dissed by a sexist society to Democrats convinced that it's a kind of right-wing or corporatist effort to save $$ at the expense of lives.

And by the way, a lot of the epidemiologists involved in analyzing the effect of screening programs on public health are both female and generally politically progressive.

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This Post Is Filled With Misinformation
Posted by: maggiemahar on Nov 25, 2009 10:28 AM   
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First, the Task Force did Not tell women ages 40-50 to avoid mammograms.

Here is what it actually said:

"USPSTF recommends against routine screening mammography in women aged 40 to 49 years. The decision to start regular, biennial screening mammography before the age of 50 years should be an individual one and take patient context into account, including the patient's values regarding specific benefits and harms."

"So, what does this mean if you are a woman in your 40s? You should talk to your doctor and make an informed decision about whether a mammography is right for you based on your family history, general health, and personal values."

Diana Petitti, MD, MPH
Vice Chair, U.S. Preventive Services Task Force
November 19, 2009"

The key word here is ROUTINE.
The Task Force says that women 40-50 should not Automatically have mammograms. They should talk to their doctor, and together, make a decision, taking CONTEXT into account.

Context includes family history. IF your sister and mother both had breast cancer that is going to affect your decision.

Secondly, the "harm" that comes from mammograms is not, as Lakoff speculates, merely "anxiety."

Here is what the largest study that reviews mammogram reserach reveals:

"“For every 2,000 women invited for screening throughout 10 years, one will have her life prolonged. In addition, 10 healthy women who would not have been diagnosed if there had not been screening, will be diagnosed as breast cancer patients and will be treated unnecessarily."

Unncessary treatment includes lumpectomies, mastectomies and radiation.

Often, mammograms detect tiny lesions in healthy women. If undetected, many of these lesions would go away on their own, without every hurting the woman.

Lakoff's post is filled with anecdotes, personal experience and "I suspects . . " No where does he cite medical evidence.

The truth is that if you are ages 40-49, your chances of dying of breast cancer over a 10 year period are .33% if you don't go for annual screening, .28% if you do. (Dr. Steve Woloshin.)

(By the way, mammograms are relatively cheap.
None of this is about the cost of mammogragram.
The Task Force does "Comparative effectiveness" reserach that looks at the effectiveness of treatments, regardless of cost. "Cost effectiveness reserach" is something entirely different.

Finally who is Geroge Lakoff?

He is not a M.D., not a medical reserach, not even a scientist.

He is a linguist who admires the way conservatives "frame issues" to persuade -- much the way advertisers use words to mislead.

Reading Lakoff's post, I am reminded of this statement by Dr. Adriane Fugh-Berman MD of Georgetown University Medical Center, and director of PharmedOut.org and Alicia M. Bell, project manager of PharmedOut and member of the board of directors of the National Women's Health Network,, talking about much of the criticism of the Task Force's statement:

"Vague, fact-free, emotionally charged statements are the language of public relations, not scientific discourse."

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A More Scary Title Would Have Been, "Gov Death Panels Are Real?"
Posted by: gnat on Nov 25, 2009 11:44 AM   
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Maybe Sarah Palin was not so nuts after all?

Relax wingers - only kidding (sort of).

However, if simply changing mammograms to bi-annual instead of annual checks on 40 to 50 year old ladies would save 4% of our overall annual medical cost (say $100 billion annually) will some future Gov Health Panel and numbers crunchers decide that *might* be worth the trade off of an extra few thousand middle age ladies dying from breast cancer?

Hmmmmm.

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WHERE ARE THE REST OF THE MAMMOGRAM STATISTICS?
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 25, 2009 12:08 PM   
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How many women have developed breast cancer as a result of annual mammograms? The new 'guidelines' have no basis at all. This is all about cost cutting. The equipment has long since been bought and paid for. The radiologists have to be paid for reading the results. Why did it take so long to come up with the number 47,000? This entire article is loosely woven and highly questionable. The timing couldn't be worse. ANNA

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1 in 1900 and medical consumerism...and a little perspective amongst the creationism.
Posted by: franklyspanking on Nov 25, 2009 12:44 PM   
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While 1 in 1900 women, on average, can reasonably be expected to be saved as a result of moving routine mammography to 50, consider the number of times you decrease your risk by altering life style choices.

Drinking, smoking, insisting on a bacon topping for three out of your five meals during the day all contribute massively to your risk of dieing from breast cancer, in addition to genetics and environmental exposures. Thus, the prAggressive war on McDonalds on behalf of all things breastly makes much sense.

...but, considering "teh maths", as the author does, if you're really into saving lives on an equal-opportunity basis, you'd do well to look into those nasty automobiles, what with their ~40 fold higher risk of death over the same time period and 220 fold higher probability of causing your demise over your lifetime (1:84!!!).

And they're almost all 100% preventable, unless you've found a 'bad driving gene*'.


*No jokes about...nevermind...it's all tai hao la. :P

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Senorita Bonita
Posted by: Senorita Bonita on Nov 25, 2009 12:49 PM   
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The recent mammogram facts have to be balanced against other information issued by the government.
http://www.cancer.gov/bcrisktool/
Other factors may also affect risk and are not accounted for by the tool. These factors include previous radiation therapy to the chest for the treatment of Hodgkin lymphoma or recent migration from a region with low breast cancer rates, such as rural China. The tool's risk calculations assume that a woman is screened for breast cancer as in the general U.S. population. . A woman who does not have mammograms will have somewhat lower chances of a diagnosis of breast cancer.

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A wayyyy better alternative
Posted by: sundi on Nov 25, 2009 12:57 PM   
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Why in the world women continue to abuse themselves with mammograms is beyond me when a better, safer, painless method is available? Digital Infrared Thermal Imaging (DITI) has been around for a long time now. It does not emit radiation (which causes cancer), it does not compress the breast (which causes cancer), and it provides a more accurate screening than its dangerous, industry-driven alternative. I have zero interest in this industry, but have been using it as a screening tool for over 10 yrs now and recommended it to everyone I know. I'm disappointed that Lakoff would not know about DITI - but then again, mainstream is never gonna tell you about it.
Anybody that wants to know more can do a simple search... here's one site:
www.ditiimaging.com .

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I had a mammogram once
Posted by: wireup on Nov 25, 2009 1:11 PM   
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about 20 years ago. The doctor lied to me about the amount of radiation I took in as a result of this "test". Also, it hurt like hell.

After thinking about it, I decided NEVER to have another one of these miserable "tests".

Think about it. When you go to the dentist and he/she takes xrays, what's the first thing that is done before taking the xrays? You are covered with a lead apron, from chest to crotch. Why? To protect the vulnerable parts of your body from the xray, to protect you from inducing cancer.

So, you're then telling me that it's perfectly okay to irradiate the chest to determine if you have cancer? Does this make any sense? Not to me it doesn't!

It seems to me that this "test" is simply a way to create fodder for the CANCER INDUSTRY of this country. And INDUSTRY it is. There are many many cures for cancer which are not acknowledged in this country because they make no money for the INDUSTRY. As far as I'm concerned, the INDUSTRY can go to the devil. I'll take care of myself, thank you very much, without this "test"!

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BRING BACK THE OLD GEORGE LAKOFF !!
Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 25, 2009 2:38 PM   
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I don't get all this. Before the world of modern medicine, mammograms and biopses were unheard of and women were doing just fine, sort of. So Sebelius has all the time to put out some complicated "cost-benefit analysis" but what about saving lives thanks to other factors such as lack of insurance, bad medicine, bad doctors, bad lawyers, etc...?

Where is the old George Lakoff ?!?!?

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Why on earth would women subject themselves to mammograms?
Posted by: djstyle25 on Nov 25, 2009 3:21 PM   
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Do they have a mammography machine that smashes men's testicles together in search of the almighty testicular cancer? OF COURSE NOT

Why not build a mammography machine that smashes your head together so we can maybe find some brain cancer? Oh wait, we don't have that either.

Seriously if women want to have two cold, robotic like structures callously fondling their breasts they should call their husbands.

Women do not need mammograms...they need exercise, vitamin d, and healthy living.

Check out more of my riffs at

www.satirejones.com

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big picture
Posted by: jegnj on Nov 25, 2009 3:48 PM   
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You are missing the big picture. Many women suffer from excess radiation due to these clumsy, inefficient, inaccurate tests. Ten years of radiation can CAUSE a breast cancer. The answer isn't who should and shouldn't get them - but to come up with a better test that does not involve radiation. 70%, yes 70% of breast cancers are found by palpating the breast, not from these 50+ yr old tests.
You are ignoring the fact that breast x-rays miss many cancers as well - if you have dense breasts then x-rays are more than a waste of time - they give false negatives.
Of course the ACS is against this. They have hawked mammograms for over 50 yrs with no scientific evidence of their effectiveness. Of course many board members of the ACS are radiologists who profit handsomely from these antiquated tests.

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Stop the Hysteria
Posted by: qwertyu on Nov 25, 2009 7:34 PM   
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all other industrialized countries start mammograms on women 50 and over and their breast cancer rates are about the sam. All of this sounds and fury over these recommendations comes from hysteria, and from people not being informed, including this author.

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I knew margarine wasn't good for us
Posted by: Berynice on Nov 25, 2009 7:47 PM   
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and I know that mammograms aren't so good either. The data clearly shows that it helps catch cancer in women over 50 and doesn't help/harms women under 50. Sending a bunch of x-rays through our breasts on an annual basis from 30+ years old is probably not that good for their chances of contracting cancer. Duh. More of the same fix it after it happens rather than prevent it mentality.

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Grateful for Mammograms
Posted by: Urstrly on Nov 25, 2009 9:23 PM   
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I've had routine mammograms for years, beginning in my forties with a "baseline" and more regularly into my fifties. Because I have lumpy breasts (with calcium deposits) these were scrutinized carefully. When my radiologist found something several years ago and told me to get a biopsy, I comforted myself that it was probably just calcium.

But it wasn't. The tiny tumor was malignant and estrogen positive. I had a lumpectomy and I'll take tamoxofen for five years. No radiation, no heavy chemo.

When I compare the relatively light treatment I received with that of friends who have had larger tumors, radical surgery, and rounds and rounds of treatment, I am so grateful to have had a top-notch radiologist.

Mine was a slow-growing tumor and my oncologist says I would not have detected it for several years with self-examination. But if it had not been discovered when it was, my treatment would have been far more extensive and expensive, not to mention debilitating.

I worry that this study is going to mean that a lot of women of moderate means will not have access to mammograms, and that's too bad. The technology has improved over the years, emitting far less radiation than initially, and we can assume that it won't continue to improve if funding stops.

I side with Lakoff and Sebelius.

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Again, the ACS aren't even supporting mammograms anymore!
Posted by: jparsons on Nov 25, 2009 11:03 PM   
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Here's an analysis by a doctor who has been commenting on this difficulty for decades.

Mammograms?

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Its all about...
Posted by: Romans1 on Nov 26, 2009 6:22 AM   
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...controlling the cost of the public option. You think this will be the only thing for which early detection will be discouraged? Think of all the cancers (prostate, colon, etc). The government run option will not pay for any of those tests because they know that is an easy way to control costs. And if people die, all the better because dead people dont cost ANYTHING to take care of.

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Get Real
Posted by: qwertyu on Nov 26, 2009 6:46 AM   
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All other industrialized countries start mammograms for women who are 50 and over, this is NOT linked to the current health care debate as this has been argued by health professionals for the past ten years.

People are getting hysterical because they are ill-informed.

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Lakoff simplifies and polarizes
Posted by: rgramenz on Nov 26, 2009 7:16 AM   
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I think George Lakoff has some excellent ideas and his analysis of "framing" can be very helpful. His article here regarding mammography is baffling. Mammograms have risks (they may cause radiation induced cancer and may lead to all kinds of other risks once a woman is reeled into the medical industrial complex), and benefits (finding a cancer earlier). Lakoff doesn't bother with exploring the complexity of the situation, he seems to use the recommendations of the USPS Task Force as a springboard for arguing "mammogram always good, trying to spend money in health care wisely always bad". I definitely will read him with skepticism from now on.

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Just as many could die from the cancer caused by the radiation
Posted by: judette on Nov 26, 2009 7:54 AM   
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It's one thing if you absolutely HAVE to have an x-ray of any kind. But they all carry risks. The risks were weighed against the benefits and MOST women at that time of life are not as apt to NEED one. If you want to take the risk you are welcome to, but I don't think scare tactics should be used to sell them. Anyone at any age can have a cancer ravage their bodies. And..should be allowed to benefit from ANY of the forms of treatments available. It should be their preference. Remember... doctors make kickbacks from the pharmaceuticals they prescribe and everything else related, I'm sure. Also, doctors are not taught about the alternatives to conventional chemical medicine. The companies producing these TOXIC substances are funding the schools. Can you connect the dots? It could be a matter of life and death.

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"Treatment" and $$$
Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Nov 26, 2009 12:33 PM   
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Most cancer "treatment" isn't about cure. Most cancer "treatment" is about $$$.

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Breastfeeding cuts cancer risk 59 % in high risk women
Posted by: plantland on Nov 26, 2009 5:01 PM   
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According to a fall study in Annals of Internal Medicine by Allison Stuebe, an analysis of women with close female relatives who had had breast cancer revealed that women who managed to breastfeed for a mere three months, cut their risk of breast cancer.

She speculated that engorgement that did not lead to breastfeeding correlated to later breast cnacer, since women who took drugs(to dry them up) had somewhat less cancer than those who didn't take those drugs.

But looking at older women considered high risk due to sisters or mothers, the ones who breastfed were more likely not to have had breast cancer.

Stuebe now has a lactation center in Chapel Hill NC.

This is a good way to prevent cancer and should be emulated.

Secretary Sibelius shoud vist there, learn more, and report back to the Cabinet that they should explore ways to help women stay home for three months after childbirth.

This should not be a gender equity concern.

Of course,breastfeeding helps the baby's health as well.

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Orwellian, Machaiavelleian and Kafkaesque
Posted by: coeurl on Nov 26, 2009 6:08 PM   
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This well-meaning essay into elementary math makes a distressing and widespread assumption, which shows both how medical empiricism has been corrupted by market forces, and popular thinking on these topics has been warped out of logic and critical judgment by market-vitiated medical ideology. It's made worse by how researchers and medical commentators avoid, at all costs and with textbook hysterical indifference, public awareness of widespread iatrogenic damages. Few even recognize the word, but more every day...

One of the neater tricks the consent engineers on this particular project have pulled off is to lump useful, innocuous pap testing with mammography, which is neither -- dramatically the contrary! People die and are maimed, physically and emotionally, after false-positive mammograms, but that's just the tip of a septic, mucilaginous iceberg toward which we steer, titanically insouciant how silly we are not to understand that squeezing a woman's breasts in a vise and blasting them from all sides with high-energy ionizing radiation causes 22% more breast cancers than occur in un-irradiated controls, according to an enormous study.

Zahl P. “The Natural History of Invasive Breast Cancers Detected by Screening Mammography”. Archives of Internal Medicine. 2008;168(21):2311-2316.

Scariest of all -- and one of the reasons we're not hearing it trumpeted on the late-night class-action law-firm commercials where the next medico-pharmaceutical mega-blunder always breaks water -- the people whose study generated this data (and who or close pals of whom, I'm guessing, still owe close to full capital on the mortgages of a huge array of mammography devices) decided in the face of these results, which fairly shrieked "radiation damage!" in their faces, that it must instead be that a lot of untreated breast cancers are getting better spontaneously, and "the natural history of breast cancer" needs to be looked into more closely.

Many people who blather on this issue mean well, or are just scared witless, but far and growing too many others are blinded by their profit motive or, worse, their inability to face up to the heinous truth their guilt and complicity entail.

caveat emptor

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Bill
Posted by: mycuz on Nov 26, 2009 8:06 PM   
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Mr. Lakoff is proof of the old saying " there are three kinds of lies, lies, damned lies and statistics" The facts do not bear out all the mathematical crap that he posited. There are numerous studies that show that "ionizing radiation " mammography causes more cancer. Cumulative radiation over a period of ten years increases the risk of breast cancer significantly. For those that are really interested they should take the time to do their research, and not depend on some one that wants to skew numbers. Mammography is big business, and if you will note the hue and cry about the new guidelines, the loudest voices are radiologists and equipment makers.
the information is there and women should not be subjected to cancer causing radiation

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Mammograms for women in China but not in Liechtenstein?
Posted by: RedAaron on Nov 26, 2009 11:13 PM   
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By Lakoff's argument in favor of considering the total number of women's lived saved and not the probability in an individual case, it would make sense to start mammograms for women in China or India from birth, but never give mammograms to women in Liechtenstein, and certainly not in Palau, Nauru or Tuvalu.

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Utter nonsense.
Posted by: Reality Lover on Nov 28, 2009 8:34 AM   
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Lakoff isn't a right winger. Worse. He's the kind of leftie that wants to pontificate on every topic, whether or not he understands it. The US Preventive Service has not recommended that women under 50 be prohibited from receiving mammograms. The service has recommended that routine mammograms for women under 50 not be automatic, but rather a decision made by an ADULT WOMAN, with her doctor, and taking into account her risk factors and other aspects of her personal medical history and preferences. Certainly we can trust ADULT WOMEN to make appropriate decisions on their own behalf, can we not?

I'm a progressive adult female and I resent the intrusion of George Lakoff and his 'three R's' into this conversation. I am not a child. I am going to discuss this with my physician, not a political marketing specialist or, God forbid, a politician.

Lakoff, why don't you go out and sell universal single payer health care and leave the details of what care to request to the individual?

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Cancer is a Curable Fungus.
Posted by: EmilyCragg on Nov 28, 2009 7:24 PM   
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Mammagrams do not cure cancer.

Macrobiotics [correcting acid-base balance] cures cancer.

Duh. Allopathic medicine is SO FUNDAMENTALLY ignorant, they couldn't relieve the pain of a hangnail.

When we abandon allopathic medicine, big Pharma and secondary Insurance policies, we will begin healing.

The current "Health Care Reform" Bill is just another scam.

MECRagg, BS, MA, webmaster

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There are other factors.
Posted by: Ewatch on Nov 28, 2009 11:28 PM   
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The ten years of xrays, the squishing of fragile lesions, the spreading of cancer cells if a biopsy needle does hit a target - these seem to me to be additional ways one might be harmed.

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George Lakoff is absolutely wrong
Posted by: jcfried on Nov 30, 2009 10:18 PM   
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Here are the numbers and the arithmetic executed properly.

According to the 2000 US Census there are 21,515,659 women aged 40-49.

According to http://www.imaginis.com/breasthealth the probability of a women in the 40-49 age group contracting breast cancer is 1/68, so the expected number of breast cancers in this age group is 316,407.

According to United States Preventive Services Task Force (USPSTF) dropping automatic mammograms for the 40-49 age group ONLY will increase the risk that 1/1900 of those contracting breast cancer will die from it because they missed the automatic mammogram. This is the key point. The 1/1900 does not apply to ALL women in the 40-49 age group, only to that subgroup (316,407) that are [on average] expected to contract the disease.

Therefore the number of possible deaths due to missing the automatic annual mammogram for women in the age group 40-49 is the number expected to contract the disease divided by 1900 [the USPSTF number]. That count is 167, not in the tens of thousands as this author estimated.

And it is this number 167, or 1/1900, that must be compared against the increase risk of cancers for all of the 21,515,659 women due to the x-rays. The point that the USPSTF group was trying to raise was that the x-ray cancer deaths due to annual mammograms of 21,515,659 may exceed the 167 deaths due to missing the annual mammograms.

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One more important point
Posted by: jcfried on Nov 30, 2009 10:31 PM   
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First of all Mr. Lakoff's 47,000 number of additional deaths cannot be correct because there are only 30,824 deaths due to breast cancer in the US total. Dropping mammograms for women in the 40-49 year age group can only affect them. While its true that the effect can stretch into additional cancers in the 50+ age group, it cannot be that great an addition given the overall total.

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The Silence About Thermography is Deafening
Posted by: arroyowash on Dec 1, 2009 7:42 AM   
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This bru-ha-ha over the mammography guidelines is an opportunity for women to rethink the programming they have received for years about mammography, and make the switch to thermography.

Thermography is the safer form of screening. No radiation, no painful compression. And best of all, earlier detection.

Cancer cells are typically in the body 10-20 years before the mass gets large enough to be noticed. As a tumor forms, it develops its own blood supply to feed its accelerated growth and this increased blood flow can increase the surface temperatures of the breast. Pre-cancerous tissues can start this process well in advance of the cells becoming malignant. Thermography measures the skin's autonomic response to that inflammation – its "heat signature."

Modern thermography can detect suspicions of cancer's formation sometimes 10 years earlier than mammography.

It is also time to talk more about the fact cancer is preventable. Two years ago, the Susan G. Komen organization quietly issued a study that found breast cancer to be an environmental disease, one brought on in great part by exposure to toxic chemicals. Prevention is the best medicine. Let us demand that those pink ribbons not be put on water bottles containing BPA and toxic air fresheners. Let us stop raising money for "research" and start demanding that the Komen org, the American Cancer Society etc, do the work that no one else will do because it makes money for no one - educate women about the environmental and dietary contributions to illness.

Breast cancer is preventable. Thermography is a better screening tool. Women, demand that your doctor divest himself of his relationship with the mammography screening centers and use the technology that is better for the patient. It is your life. Be in control.

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