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The Democratic Party: Whose Team Is It, Anyway?
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You know what I don't want to hear right now about the Stupak-Pitts amendment banning abortion coverage from federally subsidized health insurance policies? That it's the price of reform, and prochoice women should shut up and take one for the team. "If you want to rebuild the American welfare state," Peter Beinart writes in the Daily Beast, "there is no alternative" than for Democrats to abandon "cultural" issues like gender and racial equality. Hey, Peter, Representative Stupak and your sixty-four Democratic supporters, Jim Wallis and other antichoice "progressive" Christians, men: why don't you take one for the team for a change and see how you like it?
For example, budget hawks in Congress say they'll vote against the bill because it's too expensive. Maybe you could win them over if you volunteered to cut out funding for male-exclusive stuff, like prostate cancer, Viagra, male infertility, vasectomies, growth-hormone shots for short little boys, long-term care for macho guys who won't wear motorcycle helmets and, I dunno, psychotherapy for pedophile priests. Men could always pay in advance for an insurance policy rider, as women are blithely told they can do if Stupak becomes part of the final bill.
President Obama, too, worries about the deficit. Maybe you could help him out by sacrificing your denomination's tax exemption. The Catholic Church would be a good place to start, and it wouldn't even be unfair, since the blatant politicking of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops on abortion violates the spirit of the ban on electoral meddling by tax-exempt religious institutions. Why should antichoicers be the only people who get to refuse to let their taxes support something they dislike? You don't want your tax dollars to pay, even in the most notional way, for women's abortion care, a legal medical procedure that one in three American women will have in her lifetime? I don't want to pay for your misogynist fairy tales and sour-old-man hierarchies.
Women Democrats have taken an awful lot of hits for the team lately. Many of us didn't vote for Hillary Clinton in the primary because the goal of electing a woman seemed less important than the goal of electing the best possible president. Only a self-hater or a featherhead didn't feel some pain about that. And although women are hardly alone in this, we've seen some pretty big hopes set aside in the first year of the Obama administration. The Paycheck Fairness Act, which would expand women's protections against sexism in the workplace, is on the back burner. Meanwhile, the Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships is not only alive and well; it's newly staffed with antichoicers like Alexia Kelley of Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good, who, as Frances Kissling notes in Salon, has compared abortion to torture.
I know what you're thinking: conservative Democrats like Stupak took Republican districts to win us both houses of Congress. Thanks a lot, Howard Dean, whose bright idea it was to recruit them, but those majorities would not be there, and Obama would not be in the White House, if not for prochoice women and men--their votes, talent, money, organizational capacity and shoe leather. We knocked ourselves out, and it wasn't so that religious reactionaries like Stupak--who, as Jeff Sharlet writes in Salon, is a member of the Family, the secretive right-wing Christian-supremacist Congressional coven--would control both parties. Elections have consequences, you say? Exactly: Obama, the prochoice, prowoman candidate, won. Stupak didn't put him in the White House, and neither did the Catholic bishops or the white antifeminist welfare staters of Beinart's imagination. We did. And we deserve better from Obama than sound bites like "this is a healthcare bill, not an abortion bill." Abortion is healthcare. That's the whole point.
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Nor of anyone of good will since 1944 when Roosevelt replaced vice president Henry A. Wallace with Harry S Truman as his [Roosevelt's] running mate.
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Posted by: truthteller on Nov 14, 2009 6:34 AM
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The solution(s) to this is to truly open up the electoral process nationally to however many parties of whatever bent can come up with a reasonable number of signatures to get on a ballot, coupled with a fair run-off election system. It has to be the same as for the Democrats and Republicans, and we MUST take the money out of the system and truly level the field. Then you will have a system that is for "The People" and not for the rich, or the corporations. Oh, and EVERYONE eligible must be allowed, nay required to vote. That is what the ACORN uproar is really about - they are good at getting the poor and dispossessed registered to vote and to the polls. We can't have that!
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Posted by: elaine46 on Nov 14, 2009 8:31 AM
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I will send money to Kuchinich, both for his 2010 race and any presidential bid he chooses in the future. He is the only one that makes sense to me, and I wish I had given my small political gifts to him in 2008.
I was a Hillary supporter, partly because I really wanted a woman president, and mainly because I thought she would do a better job than Obama. I don't think she will challenge him in 2012, but I would certainly be with her if she did.
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Posted by: Lilly on Nov 14, 2009 8:33 AM
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Last week we saw this with Stupak, but it's been going on for years. Remember that, even though both Glenn Beck and Lou Dobbs have now left CNN, CNN actually HIRED them at some point. Yesterday in a doctor's waiting room I had time to read through two recent issues of Newsweek, both of which featured articles defending various conservative ideas. When my most recent issue of the Atlantic arrived, I thought it had been written and edited by Michelle Malkin. The Washington Post now has a regular column on faith issues. The New York Times regularly publishes conservative op-ed columnists. Rachel Maddow has all the conservative guests she can rope in. But FOX, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington Times do not return these favors, and the whole right-wing gang just keeps complaining that the media are left-biased.
I have been actively participating in (as reader and poster) hard-right websites every day since the week Bush invaded Iraq---going on eight years now. Believe me, those folks will NEVER be satisfied with any concessions the left makes. The day is never going to come when they will be happy with bipartisan compromise. First, they are into control, and in the instant one accepts a gift, one loses control, so control freaks never say "thank you, and what a nice gift you have given me"---this will not happen---they will deny the gift or deny its value or just ask for different or better gifts. Second, their objective is to run the social and political agenda of the United States---absolutely.
Right this minute, on townhall and WorldNetDaily, nobody is praising Stupak. Nobody is praising a single concession of the left. It was telling the other day when a townhall.com thread devoted itself to angry predictions that Obama, Nidal Hasan's fellow Muslim, would never allow Hasan to be charged with murder. The next day, when Hasan was charged with 13 counts of murder, posts to townhall ran "Why not 14 counts---this disrespects the unborn" and "See? See what Obama did? No accusation of terrorism".
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Posted by: franklyspanking on Nov 14, 2009 9:08 AM
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Did you think chope and hange would come because the same folks in Washington moved to a slight predominance of "D"'s behind their monikers?
The really interesting question, in my mind, is exactly how much a Congresscritter of my own would cost me.
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Posted by: Rusty Shackleford on Nov 14, 2009 9:24 AM
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There really isn't.
We have a conservative party, and a moderate party, that is more sympathetic to the whims of the conservatives than to the unorganized, yet large numbers of liberals.
The democrat party in this country is NOT liberal.
Let me repeat that...
THE DEMOCRAT PARTY IS NOT LIBERAL!!!!!!
There are a few liberals in congress who keep using the term "democrat," just so they can keep getting elected, because they know that if they use some 3rd party term, they'll be ousted. But otherwise, no, there is no official representation for liberals in congress.
This country is owned and operated by conservatives, and moderates who sell out to conservatives. And worse still is that one of those moderates who sells out to conservatives is Obama himself.
Before he ran for president, he was pro choice, pro single payer, pro this, anti that... a real stand-up-for-the-little-guys kind of guy.
Now, he's little to no different from Bush.
Thanks a lot, asshole.
You betrayed your base with false promises of gingerbread houses and lollipop dreams.
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Posted by: oregoncharles on Nov 14, 2009 9:41 AM
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Pollitt and the rest of the whiners COULD have voted and campaigned for a woman who is a real, outspoken progressive and feminist. Instead, they suckered themselves yet again. Now the sticker shock is setting in, and I'm getting tired of the whining. Don't get mad, get even, and vote for the party you should have supported in the first place.
The real problem here is gutless voting. Progressives love to say their Dem politicians should "grow a spine" and vote their "principles." (Snicker.) Well, how about you, in the voting booth? Every 2 years, the Dems wave the big, scarey Republican boogeyman at you and you go limp as a mollusk, voting for another closet neocon. One who'll sell you out just so they can claim a "victory."
Whose team is it? Goldman Sachs's, obviously, and they don't give a flying fig about you - just so long as you cave in every election year and vote for them despite everything.
So don't get mad, get even, and vote for real feminists and progressives. You can look us up at www.gp.org.
"Spoilers?" Damn straight - but we didn't make the rules, the Democrats did. You ain't seen nothing yet. It might be clear, above, that my patience, at least, is wearing out. What about yours?
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Posted by: truthteller on Nov 14, 2009 11:00 AM
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Their true objective is the total subjugation and repression of women. They hate women having any rights and freedoms, starting with control over their reproduction. It shows in their opposition to the one thing that would reduce the number of abortions in this country - effective contraception and sex education about it.
What this fringe element wants is to punish women for having any enjoyment of their sexuality, and personal freedom to not need to be dependent on men. They want to force them to be pregnant and have lots of unwanted children. They really don't care about the babies once they are born, or they wouldn't object so strongly to providing healthcare for all children or a decent public education for them, and they certainly would be all for giving massive amounts of money to prenatal care of, and feeding the children of poor women, who can least afford the babies that they are forced to bear because they lack contraceptive education, access to contraceptive and abortions. However, we know that is not true and infant mortality rates for this group are at third world levels.
So this is really about control and punishment, not the rights of the "unborn".
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Posted by: scremf on Nov 14, 2009 7:31 PM
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A strong third party would be one that attracts not only "progressives", but the working poor of America. The republicans owe a large part of their success to reaching out (albeit in a disingenuous fashion) to white working class poor. While we're on the subject perhaps it would help if we "progressives" started talking and behaving to the working poor as if they were our equals, not our serfs.
Now I know alot of us find it relatively easy to believe that an immigrant or an ethic minority is more deserving of our help than someone who say is a white middle age working stiff working 3 jobs and 84 hrs a week trying to make ends meet. After all they had "every opportunity" to better themselves in this level playing field we call a democracy.
It is true that we only have one party in America today and I didn't need Gore Vidal or Noam Chomsky to tell me that, it has been brutally evident to me since the day I entered the ranks of the working stiffs. Progressives, those are the people we need to enlist in our struggles. Time was when the socialist party was the working class party of America. I mean does the green party truly believe that mainstreet america is ever going to vote for a trustifarian with dreadlocks or Ralph Nader?
Progressives we need to get back to our roots and embrace the working class poor even if they are full of hate and spite from being mangled in the machinations of our ludicrous farce of a workforce. Even though they are spitting out the lasted racial/ethnic hate filled spew they heard from Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh, we still need to embrace them. This is something we never can win on the national playing field until we've won it on the steets of our home towns one on one. As unpleasant as it may seem, we need the working poor on our side, and we're going to have to get a bit dirty to get em there.
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Posted by: whoopingcrone on Nov 14, 2009 5:06 AM
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Nor of anyone of good will since 1944 when Roosevelt replaced vice president Henry A. Wallace with Harry S Truman as his [Roosevelt's] running mate.
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Posted by: moloko velocet on Nov 14, 2009 6:05 AM
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"Meet the New Boss; Same as the Old Boss"!
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Posted by: truthteller on Nov 14, 2009 6:34 AM
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The solution(s) to this is to truly open up the electoral process nationally to however many parties of whatever bent can come up with a reasonable number of signatures to get on a ballot, coupled with a fair run-off election system. It has to be the same as for the Democrats and Republicans, and we MUST take the money out of the system and truly level the field. Then you will have a system that is for "The People" and not for the rich, or the corporations. Oh, and EVERYONE eligible must be allowed, nay required to vote. That is what the ACORN uproar is really about - they are good at getting the poor and dispossessed registered to vote and to the polls. We can't have that!
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Posted by: Southern Gal on Nov 14, 2009 7:45 AM
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Posted by: elaine46 on Nov 14, 2009 8:31 AM
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I will send money to Kuchinich, both for his 2010 race and any presidential bid he chooses in the future. He is the only one that makes sense to me, and I wish I had given my small political gifts to him in 2008.
I was a Hillary supporter, partly because I really wanted a woman president, and mainly because I thought she would do a better job than Obama. I don't think she will challenge him in 2012, but I would certainly be with her if she did.
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Posted by: Lilly on Nov 14, 2009 8:33 AM
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Last week we saw this with Stupak, but it's been going on for years. Remember that, even though both Glenn Beck and Lou Dobbs have now left CNN, CNN actually HIRED them at some point. Yesterday in a doctor's waiting room I had time to read through two recent issues of Newsweek, both of which featured articles defending various conservative ideas. When my most recent issue of the Atlantic arrived, I thought it had been written and edited by Michelle Malkin. The Washington Post now has a regular column on faith issues. The New York Times regularly publishes conservative op-ed columnists. Rachel Maddow has all the conservative guests she can rope in. But FOX, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington Times do not return these favors, and the whole right-wing gang just keeps complaining that the media are left-biased.
I have been actively participating in (as reader and poster) hard-right websites every day since the week Bush invaded Iraq---going on eight years now. Believe me, those folks will NEVER be satisfied with any concessions the left makes. The day is never going to come when they will be happy with bipartisan compromise. First, they are into control, and in the instant one accepts a gift, one loses control, so control freaks never say "thank you, and what a nice gift you have given me"---this will not happen---they will deny the gift or deny its value or just ask for different or better gifts. Second, their objective is to run the social and political agenda of the United States---absolutely.
Right this minute, on townhall and WorldNetDaily, nobody is praising Stupak. Nobody is praising a single concession of the left. It was telling the other day when a townhall.com thread devoted itself to angry predictions that Obama, Nidal Hasan's fellow Muslim, would never allow Hasan to be charged with murder. The next day, when Hasan was charged with 13 counts of murder, posts to townhall ran "Why not 14 counts---this disrespects the unborn" and "See? See what Obama did? No accusation of terrorism".
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Posted by: franklyspanking on Nov 14, 2009 9:08 AM
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Did you think chope and hange would come because the same folks in Washington moved to a slight predominance of "D"'s behind their monikers?
The really interesting question, in my mind, is exactly how much a Congresscritter of my own would cost me.
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Posted by: Rusty Shackleford on Nov 14, 2009 9:24 AM
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There really isn't.
We have a conservative party, and a moderate party, that is more sympathetic to the whims of the conservatives than to the unorganized, yet large numbers of liberals.
The democrat party in this country is NOT liberal.
Let me repeat that...
THE DEMOCRAT PARTY IS NOT LIBERAL!!!!!!
There are a few liberals in congress who keep using the term "democrat," just so they can keep getting elected, because they know that if they use some 3rd party term, they'll be ousted. But otherwise, no, there is no official representation for liberals in congress.
This country is owned and operated by conservatives, and moderates who sell out to conservatives. And worse still is that one of those moderates who sells out to conservatives is Obama himself.
Before he ran for president, he was pro choice, pro single payer, pro this, anti that... a real stand-up-for-the-little-guys kind of guy.
Now, he's little to no different from Bush.
Thanks a lot, asshole.
You betrayed your base with false promises of gingerbread houses and lollipop dreams.
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Posted by: wireup on Nov 14, 2009 9:24 AM
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» Harumph! Another Nader Republican. Can you say "Bull Moose Party"?
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Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 14, 2009 9:33 AM
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Posted by: oregoncharles on Nov 14, 2009 9:41 AM
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Pollitt and the rest of the whiners COULD have voted and campaigned for a woman who is a real, outspoken progressive and feminist. Instead, they suckered themselves yet again. Now the sticker shock is setting in, and I'm getting tired of the whining. Don't get mad, get even, and vote for the party you should have supported in the first place.
The real problem here is gutless voting. Progressives love to say their Dem politicians should "grow a spine" and vote their "principles." (Snicker.) Well, how about you, in the voting booth? Every 2 years, the Dems wave the big, scarey Republican boogeyman at you and you go limp as a mollusk, voting for another closet neocon. One who'll sell you out just so they can claim a "victory."
Whose team is it? Goldman Sachs's, obviously, and they don't give a flying fig about you - just so long as you cave in every election year and vote for them despite everything.
So don't get mad, get even, and vote for real feminists and progressives. You can look us up at www.gp.org.
"Spoilers?" Damn straight - but we didn't make the rules, the Democrats did. You ain't seen nothing yet. It might be clear, above, that my patience, at least, is wearing out. What about yours?
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Posted by: truthteller on Nov 14, 2009 11:00 AM
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Their true objective is the total subjugation and repression of women. They hate women having any rights and freedoms, starting with control over their reproduction. It shows in their opposition to the one thing that would reduce the number of abortions in this country - effective contraception and sex education about it.
What this fringe element wants is to punish women for having any enjoyment of their sexuality, and personal freedom to not need to be dependent on men. They want to force them to be pregnant and have lots of unwanted children. They really don't care about the babies once they are born, or they wouldn't object so strongly to providing healthcare for all children or a decent public education for them, and they certainly would be all for giving massive amounts of money to prenatal care of, and feeding the children of poor women, who can least afford the babies that they are forced to bear because they lack contraceptive education, access to contraceptive and abortions. However, we know that is not true and infant mortality rates for this group are at third world levels.
So this is really about control and punishment, not the rights of the "unborn".
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» Translation from Nader Republicanspeak: Help the "Greens" elect Republicans to office.
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» RE: You mean like Gore and Kerry?
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» That's a laugh, because the Green's are finanaced by the GOP.
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Posted by: scremf on Nov 14, 2009 7:31 PM
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A strong third party would be one that attracts not only "progressives", but the working poor of America. The republicans owe a large part of their success to reaching out (albeit in a disingenuous fashion) to white working class poor. While we're on the subject perhaps it would help if we "progressives" started talking and behaving to the working poor as if they were our equals, not our serfs.
Now I know alot of us find it relatively easy to believe that an immigrant or an ethic minority is more deserving of our help than someone who say is a white middle age working stiff working 3 jobs and 84 hrs a week trying to make ends meet. After all they had "every opportunity" to better themselves in this level playing field we call a democracy.
It is true that we only have one party in America today and I didn't need Gore Vidal or Noam Chomsky to tell me that, it has been brutally evident to me since the day I entered the ranks of the working stiffs. Progressives, those are the people we need to enlist in our struggles. Time was when the socialist party was the working class party of America. I mean does the green party truly believe that mainstreet america is ever going to vote for a trustifarian with dreadlocks or Ralph Nader?
Progressives we need to get back to our roots and embrace the working class poor even if they are full of hate and spite from being mangled in the machinations of our ludicrous farce of a workforce. Even though they are spitting out the lasted racial/ethnic hate filled spew they heard from Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh, we still need to embrace them. This is something we never can win on the national playing field until we've won it on the steets of our home towns one on one. As unpleasant as it may seem, we need the working poor on our side, and we're going to have to get a bit dirty to get em there.
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