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Why It's Not Smart to Call Women Conservatives 'Whores'
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When Alan Grayson called a female corporate lobbyist a "K-Street whore" -- and was attacked as crude and sexist at the same time that he was lauded as gutsy and honest -- he played a role in a familiar script: hero of the left (MSNBC's Keith Olbermann, Bill Maher) attacks female villain (Hillary Rodham Clinton, Sarah Palin, Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin) using sexist language. Progressive feminists soul-search about liberal misogyny. Mainstream media talk about sexism for 5 seconds. Then the media move on, and no one learns a thing. Repeat.
It happened again just two weeks ago, when Olbermann called Malkin a "big mashed-up bag of meat with lipstick on it" during the "Worst Person in the World" segment of Countdown. The creepily fleshy insult followed Olbermann's rendition of Malkin's e-mails, which he read in a Valley Girl voice to signal her presumed Barbie-doll vapidity. Megan Carpentier pointed out at the time, "A liberal, progressive critique of Malkin need not, and should not, resort to an attack on her looks or her gender or rely on silly stereotypes or imagery that brings to mind victims of domestic violence."
Malkin, who is actually the worst person in the world, wasted no time decrying Olbermann's sexist remarks. Needless to say, Malkin is not usually a passionate defender of feminism.
So there's obvious problem No. 1 with leftist firebrands dipping into sexist imagery and language to bash conservative women: nothing's more fun than highlighting the hypocrisy of your opponents. That's why when a family-values conservative gets caught doing prostitutes, guys or underaged pages, it's party time for progressives.
Olbermann's gendered attack allowed the terrible Malkin, who called Clinton a "gyno-candidate" during the presidential primaries, to ascend the feminist high ground: "The 'M' in MSNBC stands for misogyny", she happily announced on her blog.
Making themselves vulnerable to charges of hypocrisy is just one way that gendered attacks can hobble progressives. Grayson's outburst also undermined his larger point, an essential one about K Street greed allowing a very bad person -- Enron's former chief lobbyist, who had attacked Grayson for trying to push an audit of the Federal Reserve -- look like a victim.
Grayson's comment helped conservatives in others ways. Since Grayson burst onto the scene, conservatives have been trying to tar him as an extremist on par with the town-hall screamers, Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck. It didn't really work, because, you know, the things he was saying are actually true. But the backlash for his "whore" comment gave them the opening they needed to paint him as outside the mainstream.
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Posted by: Spellsinger on Nov 2, 2009 1:41 AM
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» RE: As a Progressive, Liberal Woman, respectfully
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» It's sexist to claim that all whores are women
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» I totally agree
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» AMEN. It's not GOP. It's GOW. Grand Old Whores.
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» RE: As a Progressive, Liberal Woman, respectfully
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» K-Street Lobbyist are All Generic Whores
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Posted by: Spellsinger on Nov 2, 2009 1:46 AM
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Nov 2, 2009 2:23 AM
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Of course, that's no excuse be any harsher on them than on fat, white, male wing-nuts--if that's indeed what Olbermann and others are doing--but I think that's where it comes from.
To be honest, I just think it's a matter of principal: staying on moral high ground, even as you criticize and make fun of your opponents. I don't think it's a matter of giving ammo to the other side, because we all know they'll find something nasty to throw at you, even if they have to make it up.
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Posted by: chirho33 on Nov 2, 2009 4:33 AM
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Posted by: Magginkat on Nov 2, 2009 4:52 AM
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As for Alan Grayson, I wish we had a couple hundred versions of him in that spineless Democratic side of the Congress. We are constantly bombarded with the likes of Mitch McConnell, John 'Boner', Michelle Bachman, Lindsey Graham, etc, so why is it such a big deal when Grayson tells the truth?!!
Sorry Ms. Tana Ganeva, but you are just dead wrong on this issue. When Keith Olbermann referred to Malkin as a "big massed-up bag of meat with lipstick on it" he was being way too kind to that nasty little excuse for a human being. Ms. Malkin couldn't "ascend the feminist high ground" if her life depended on it.
I hope that Alan Grayson encourages a few more of those spineless wonders to speak out for We The People.
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Posted by: sdz on Nov 2, 2009 5:11 AM
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Wuss = wimp + pussy
A whore is a prostitute. And men can "whores" in this sense of the word. They can also be unscrupulous, which is an other meaning conveyed by the word, "whore."
Grayson's use of this word was not inappropriate per se.
Yet even if one gave Grayson the benefit of one's doubt it remains the case that he erred by giving his enemies a free and easy shot at his character.
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Posted by: Phred42 on Nov 2, 2009 5:19 AM
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This is accurate and perfectly acceptable.
On American dies every 12 mins for lack of Health care. Anyone against changing this is a murdering whore
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Posted by: Prinzowhales on Nov 2, 2009 5:24 AM
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Of course, for those with more perverse cravings, you can grease up and knock on Congressman Barney Frank's door and get some of that sweet child flesh from the underage boy toys that he claimed his 'room mate' ran out of his town house without his knowing it (wink, wink, nod, nod) Isn't he with the banking committee?--good to know we have statesmen like 'Barnyard' Frank to look out for our corporate interests...I just can't imagine anyone trying to blackmail him.
Most of the whores in the world are male, I think, and a goodly portion of them are members of the 'second oldest' profession who just wanted to distance themselves from the first by changing their names. So, the next time you are in Washington stop by the 'Best Little Whorehouse' in Washington--The Demopublican--pick out one of the strumpets and enjoy...just stuff the cash in the G-string when you're finished...if you can find it under the rolls of fat.
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Posted by: Gabba_Gabba_Hey on Nov 2, 2009 5:46 AM
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Hey, she used to be a real whore. She married a rich gay guy just for his money, and she used to say some really ludicrous Republican stuff. Now she's what passes for a prominent lefty.
As Alec Baldwin's (Republican) character said to Liz on "30 Rock": "You have a firm grasp of the obvious, telling me what I already know. You should write for the Huffington Post."
So there's hope even for Michele Malkin, I guess.
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» Arianna is still an attention whore.
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» RE: Arianna is still an attention whore.
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» Attention whores... with hedge fund accounts
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Posted by: crackbaby2 on Nov 2, 2009 6:07 AM
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As long as the liberal weenies continue to squeak about words, we'll be ineffective. Go after these people. Make them pay a social price for their actions. Don't play the stupid game of "we can't sink to their level"; it is a losing strategy that ignores how people behave.
Grow up, liberals. Let's get after these republipigs in any legal way we can.
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Posted by: leafsong1 on Nov 2, 2009 6:39 AM
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Another way she is saying this is by demonstrating her own craven feminine weakness in the face of the turbulence of political bickering; she wants all of us to cower in fear of what the likes of Malkin and Beck might do to us if we fight too dirty for their preferences.
Not only has she failed to make the case that political misogyny is unacceptable, she has done just the opposite; she has made the case that such contempt of women in politics is justified.
I've got half a mind to call her an ignorant slut.
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 2, 2009 6:44 AM
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Posted by: littlepitcher on Nov 2, 2009 6:48 AM
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Using sexist terminology to insult Malkin will assure that she will dump any good message because of the messenger's attitude.
Malkin, as a Filipina, comes from a country where 30% of the population lives on under $2 a day, where running water is a luxury most only dream of, where a US military base assured that, in a country colonized by the shamefully sexist Catholic church, the only way out of poverty for many of these families was, for sure, whoring their pretty, usually underaged daughters. And it was our military men who purchased and degraded them. Now that the base is gone, the majority of foreign women on chat rooms are Filipinas seeking American men.
Call Malkin a piece of meat and look like a reject male who can't get a woman. Call her a whore and make an enemy for life because of your nationality and your lack of understanding of the limited employment options available to women in Catholic countries, where whores, like Magdalene, are forgiven but where uppity working women are killed or ostracized.
If you have to resort to a sexist retort,
just shut up.
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Posted by: ETSpoon on Nov 2, 2009 7:04 AM
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In my opinion this business of dealing with a bully by trying to understand his "feelings" is crap! The best way to deal with a bully is to punch him in the nose. You may lose the fight in the short run but in the long run he'll leave you alone. In fact he may come to respect you because you stood up to him.
Before the Sixties progressivism and populism where tough, aggressive and the conservatives there truly what they are, the genteel upper class who wanted nothing but everything for them and serfdom for everybody else.
Well now the upper class still wants everything for themselves and serfdom for everybody else but they've re-modeled themselves as tough, masculine, rugged-individualists who get things done. And they have successfully re-framed liberals, with complicity from within, as soft, effete and ineffective wimps who won't fight back.
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» RE: most of the 'liberals' prefer the tag "wimp" to the truth...
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Nov 2, 2009 8:01 AM
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Maybe if they don't appreciate being called WHORES, they shouldn't act like WHORES! Frankly, I have more respect for the women that walk the street, at least they are straight up and honest about what they are doing (trying to survive)! A psychologist might say they have self-hate, but at least they are not betraying their nation, just themselves! These mouth-pieces have no such scruples as they push this ideology, they not only betray themselves they also betray their nation by promulgating policies that they have to see aren't working for most Americans!
WHORES THEY ARE, WHORES THEY SHALL BE CALLED!!!
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» You gotta let a Hoe be a Hoe
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Posted by: UnEasyOne on Nov 2, 2009 8:04 AM
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For those who (possibly like me) also missed it, Grayson did apologize - abjectly.
Personally, I think he shouldn't have.
Ms Geneva - by implicitly denying the existence of millions of male whores - is the sexist here.
And simply because lipstick was mentioned, doesn't mean that Olberman's comment was sexist. It was gender specific, as it would have been if he referred to some guy as a "mashed up bag of meat in a jock strap" would have been. Sorry, "gender specific" is not the same as sexist.
I, for one, am really tired of this PC bullshit. There is real sexism out there to get "het up" about. This nonsense of pouncing on an incautious word or phrase simply distracts from the real issue, makes it all look a bit silly.
Why not write an article about sexism in the workplace instead, Ms Geneva? My wife has been banging her extremely competent head against a glass ceiling for years. Women are being brutalized because of their sex by the thousands (millions?) daily. I could name dozens of real, gut-wrenching issues that affect every woman - but especially poor women.
Instead, you choose to get your bowels in an uproar about what a couple of real allies to your cause have to say about a corrupt rich bitch.
And yes, I used the term bitch. Had it been a guy, I would have said bastard. Although there are technically as many illegitimate females as males, the insult "bastard" is almost exclusively reserved for male assholes, and "bitch" for the female.
Why not get in an uproar about something that matters?
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Posted by: felipe on Nov 2, 2009 8:38 AM
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1: A prostitute -v.i.
2: to act as a whore
3: to consort with whores
Not a single gender reference in the whole definition. As a writer one would expect Ms. Ganeva to have some knowledge and respect for the the proper usage of the English language (or at least a dictionary to reference).
By definition Rep. Grayson did not say anything improper or wrong here, nor were his comments 'sexist'.
Your ignorance of the word Ms. Ganeva, is the problem here. You assign to the word 'whore' an incorrect, biased meaning. It is your ignorance that has turned this K-Street whore into a 'victim', at least in your mind, not Rep. Grayson.
You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to create your own definitions of words.
If an Alternet staffer responds with an address, I will send Ms. Ganeva a dictionary if she does not already have one. If she does, I hope she'll begin to reference it next time she chooses to twist somebody's words into something they do not actually mean.
Why this matters. It is no different than the Republicans turning 'liberal' into a dirty word. Look up the definition, there is no way any rational person would not want to be a liberal, by definition.
Words are important. Use them properly.
BTW- Prostitute reference both males and females. Yes, I looked it up.
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» Using words properly is obtuse?
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» What don't you understand about the 'connotation'
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» You folks have a lock on obtuse arguments
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» So we should kowtow to the ignorant?
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» "We"?
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» The societal "We"
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» You just don't understand, Filipe.
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» Hey, Josh, here's a word for you:
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» Context
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» I see your point, but...
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Posted by: goldmarx on Nov 2, 2009 9:11 AM
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The track record should be a minumum of 3 times. A "three strikes" rule, if you will.
Female politicians of the Left should not be similarly encumbered. Why? because, frankly, it would be extremely entertaining to see, say, Barbara Boxer call say, Ann Coulter a whore - or worse. My kind of "distaff/distaff" action!
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Posted by: jstepp590 on Nov 2, 2009 9:34 AM
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Would "corporate prostitute" work better for you, more politically correct? All of the above are accurate.
Sorry you can't get your gender goggles off but I back his statement, and the reality of our lobbying hijacking it represents, 100%.
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Posted by: logansafi on Nov 2, 2009 9:35 AM
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By Logansafi
While I am not a fan of mindlessly decrying the Republicans as being stupid when they are not any more so than most Democrats, we on the Left side of the political landscape still run just as often into people telling us to tone it down. Don’t show hate in your voice, don’t shout, don’t use sexist language, and be polite with those we oppose, these centrist Blue liberal types will all always say. Who are they and what are they talking about?
The two most common types of these milquetoast PC fellows are those who are really are into their own supposedly responsible lobbying mindset of seeking to ’speak truth’ to Power. Adopt the polite, city council sort of vocabulary and volume of voice. Smile; don’t shout! …if you want to be heard and listened to…blah,blah,blah.
It’s all the sort of thing a Middle School counselor might tell a student who has an obnoxious teacher ruling over them. These counselors get paid to do that job, don’t they? But the professional PC milquetoast liberal is usually only aspiring to be listened to by Democratic Party reps in government. If they can hunt down a grant or two or a paid position for themselves, they must simply be the ‘polite’ type and they try to police those around them on it, too.
The other constant PC type on the the Left side are the religious pacifists who believe that turn the other cheek is about as ‘violent’ as one should ever get. They too are always seeking ‘access’ to Democratic Party government reps (POWER) and their supposed moral consciences though they never seem do, because they are way too wimpy milquetoast as they try to worship Jesus and Gandhi so endlessly and religiously. They simply don’t like it when they hear bad words in the church like ambience they try to always maintain.
Alternet has this article online right now, Why We Shouldn’t Call Women Conservatives ‘Whores’, and it has some discussion of this issue.
To this, I say it is not only OK to call Conservatives whores, but it is also OK to call Hillary Clinton a frustrated lesbian whore. Or just a lesbian or just a whore. After all believe me, in Hillary’s circles they call the common folk much worse than this! Trust me on this, won’t you? Time to get angry about it, too! And angry is never PC in some angst torn circles.
The whole problem with the ‘you need to tone it down’ PC types out their in our midst, is that this tone and mindset is totally wrong to use in confronting bullies, and our society is replete with bullies ruling from their perches. The rich bullies even hire profession corporate media bullies to verbally smash into The People. You going to say ‘purty please’ back to that? It simply doesn’t work. It doesn’t work with Police State bullies at all.
Right now, supposedly ‘politically correct’ verbal wimpiness has been killing the Left for some time. If we’re going to fight it out with The American Right we need to discard some of our pretty little manners, and to do it soon. That doesn’t mean that we will be acting like the Mindless Zombies that we oppose when we do so. It simply means we will stop acting like we are servile peasants asking our Lords for mercy. It simply don’t work. It never will.
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Posted by: GuitarBill on Nov 2, 2009 10:15 AM
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"...What universities are saying by these codes, special protections and double standards, to women, to blacks, to Hispanics, to gay and lesbian students is, 'You are too weak to live with freedom; you are too weak to live with the First Amendment.'
"If someone tells you that are too weak to live with freedom, they have turned you into a child."
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» "...Multi-millionaires = anti-tax = libertarian = Ayn Rand = survival of the fittest = Ted Nugent."
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Posted by: chariotdrvr14 on Nov 2, 2009 10:23 AM
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It's not what they say but how they mean it.
All K-Street lobbyists are whores, regardless!
I understand the point the writer tries to make here.
When a women is too aggressive in politics she's called 'a dragon lady' and if a man is it's called 'being tough and agressive'.
The double standards of course are quite glaring and the press traditionally injects a certain Freudian sexual innuendo into every political event.
Nonetheless, that doesn't mitigate what these weasels who subvert the "democratic process" do to suit the ends of their corporate clients and they aren't above sexual favors even if they're buying it for their favorite congressperson.
The even greater question is ...who is the biggest whore in Congress? Any GOP might get that one but for my money right now it's Max Baucus.
I eschewed the sexist attributions a long time ago. For instance, I have never refered to women as 'sluts'...but on the other hand I always thought 'all men are sluts'...let's face it... come on, dudes admit it, we're easy.
And I admit it,... I am most definitely a slut.
Just waiting for the right women to notice.
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Posted by: angryblkman on Nov 2, 2009 10:31 AM
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Posted by: westomoon on Nov 2, 2009 11:24 AM
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Don't you remember the Sarah Palin campaign? Any criticism of the candidate was decried as sexism and misogyny, just because it was aimed at a woman. (Unfortunately, they learned this trick from Hillary Clinton's primary campaign.) Letting yourself be sidetracked to debate whether it was or wasn't was exactly what they wanted.
Grayson is a brilliant man, and his genius lies in boiling things down to their essence. All K Street lobbyists - most of whom are men -- are corporate whores. Do we have to euphemize that simply because a given lobbyist is female? No, we don't. The right went bugfuck and demanded apologies when Grayson [accurately] described the Republican healthcare plan as "Don't get sick; die quickly". Are we going to let their hypertrophied sensibilities define civil discourse? Craziness.
Take it from a front-line foot soldier of the Second Wave of feminism -- these examples aren't sexism. And trying to be so perfect that the troglodytes of the right can't criticize us is a doomed strategy -- no one can be that perfect, not even their fellow "conservatives", as the upstate NY Congressional race has demonstrated. Save the feminist critique for the real issues, wouldja?
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» RE: Faux "Feminism" - On target as usual, West
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» *grinning* Oh, I'll still jump ya for the real thing
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» Fine ;)
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Posted by: GuitarBill on Nov 2, 2009 11:45 AM
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Second Amendment:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Third Amendment:
No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Fourth Amendment
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Fifth Amendment
No person shall be held to answer for any capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
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In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.
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In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
Eight Amendment
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
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The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Tenth Amendment
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
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Posted by: MT512 on Nov 2, 2009 2:01 PM
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but in politics the context is most likely unisex, and thus not sexist
my governor and senators are whores, and men
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Posted by: GuitarBill on Nov 2, 2009 3:26 PM
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"Olbermann's gendered attack allowed the terrible Malkin, who called Clinton a 'gyno-candidate' during the presidential primaries, to ascend the feminist high ground: 'The "M" in MSNBC stands for misogyny', she happily announced on her blog."
%^)
Is this the same Michelle Malkin--anchor baby and conservative columnist of Asian descent--who defended Japanese internment and anti-Muslim racial profiling?
Hmmmmmm...
Is this the same Michelle Malkin who made her name opposing political correctness and identity politics, and now, suddenly, she's playing the [cough] victim card?
Hmmmmmm...
Does anyone else find it amusing that Michelle Malkin is attacking Kieth Olbermann FROM THE LEFT?
Hmmmmmm...
Am I the only person who recognizes how untenable--not to mention hypocritical--her position is?
Got logic?
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I thank you
Firozali A mulla
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Posted by: westomoon on Nov 2, 2009 5:34 PM
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Here's the ActBlue website for the "money bomb" project, and here's what DFA had to say:
When Democracy for America endorsed Alan Grayson for Congress last year conventional wisdom in DC said Grayson was a long-shot at best. No one thought he would win. No one, that is, but DFA members on the ground who were working hard every day to deliver results.
Alan Grayson hasn't looked back since Election Day. He's not afraid to say what it takes to get the message across and fight back against Republican lies and misinformation.
Now, one year from today, Alan Grayson is up for reelection and Republicans have put a giant target on his back. It's pretty straight forward why -- they're afraid of him. They're going to pull out all the stops to defeat him. We can't let that happen.
So today, DFA members are joining with others across the progressive movement for a one-day contribution "money bomb" in support of Alan Grayson. If we raise $400,000 today, we'll send chills down the spine of every single right-wing blowhard around the county.
So why DO the Republicans hate Grayson so much?
Well, Republicans spent the whole summer yelling lies about "Death Panels" and how President Obama was going to pull the plug on grandma. And all August, Democrats in Congress went from town hall to town hall playing defense and trying to figure out what hit them. Alan Grayson had enough. There is no Republican plan on healthcare. They would rather do nothing, than fix it. Recognizing that over 42,000 Americans a year die because they don't have health insurance under our current system, Representative Grayson decided it was time to go on the attack and put the Republicans on defense.
"The Republican's healthcare plan: 1) Don't get sick 2) if you do, Die Quickly"
One sentence and Rep. Grayson reclaimed the debate. Everyone was talking about it. How many Americans don't have insurance? How many Americans die each year because of it? What actually IS the Republican plan?
Republicans aren't used to Democrats attacking back, but they immediately went on the war path. They demanded Grayson apologize. He was already a step ahead of them.
Rep. Grayson took to the floor of Congress and apologized to the dead. To every American who had died while Republicans held up the healthcare debate and Congress waited to enact reform. Suddenly, it's the Republicans who didn't know what hit them. First a Democrat stands up and then he won't shut up and sit down when Republicans yell at him? You can imagine their surprise.
Thanks to Alan Grayson, for the first time all summer, Republicans were finally playing defense.
But that won't last forever. Congressional Quarterly recently downgraded Rep. Grayson's reelection race from a "toss-up" to "leans Republican." That's why we need to have Grayson's back. If we raise $400,000 in one day, we'll send a message to Republicans nationwide they won't miss.
Sorry to be late in posting this -- but I'm sure they'll allow for stragglers.
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Posted by: Smartcookie on Nov 2, 2009 6:14 PM
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In short the left walks on eggshells hoping not to hurt anyone's feelings, that is why they were so roundly defeated IMHO. Too nice and too politically correct.
With so much at stake at least Castro and Che guevera knew where they stood.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_Guevera
Capitalism cannot be reformed without getting severe like those in the great depression knew and those who fought for the 8 hour work day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8_hour_day
IMHO alternet should be publishing stories from those era's to inspire the left to get off it's ass and cause mischeif en masse.
Most current people on theleft are a ballsless generation.
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Posted by: thicky on Nov 2, 2009 8:12 PM
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The etymology of the word whore may have been associated more with one gender rather than the other in many cultures(but not all), and while today the word may have sexual connotations, that in itself does not make use of the word whore, sexism.
To call use of the word whore sexism is a personal/tribal judgment. What is so disappointing is the myopic view of inside the beltway reporters who seem to be trying to maintain the "official Washington liberal" point of view. Just because one parrots the absurdities of the word gender/sex police in order to stay in the good graces of "the right people" in Washington D.C. doesn't make it right.
Everything in this world is about the duality of sex. The world as we know it would not exist without sex; even the pollination and fertilization of plants is sexual(most of us have been taught about the birds and the bees). Though there are asexual beings/creatures/things they all exist in an essentially sexual world. The asexual have just found a niche in our fully sexual world. Trying to make everything fit into a completely asexual neutral world is unnatural.
Unlike the asexual right-wingers who have found their narrow niche in the taint of a teabagger, I would hope that the good reporters here at Alternet would stop trying to neuter their readers into an asexual liberal niche and support the overwhelming sentiments of their readers and commenters in the real world outside The Washington Beltway. The rich use of words, images, and metaphors in describing our world and the whores in it makes the planet Earth a better place.
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» Very well said. It's time to quit squabbling amongst ourselves AND KICK SOME REDNECK ASS!
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Posted by: ZZinn on Nov 2, 2009 10:17 PM
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Should we all have not used charged words like "redneck" with George W.? NO of course not, it means very little.
Women's rights should be at the forefront of the left agenda, but bitching (uh oh how sexist of me) about someone using the word "whore" in this context isn't really doing much for women's rights, it's just focusing on trivialities when there are much more important things to care about.
I can't believe that progressive journalists and pundits have the time to waste on this tripe.
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Posted by: Doubtom43 on Nov 2, 2009 10:34 PM
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We are seen as liars and hypocrites by much of the world, in our stated claim to being a democratic Republic, when in fact, we are a ruthless empire, that will brook no opposition whatsoever. We back dictators and assassinate those who oppose our imperialistic ventures. That's our record and it is not enhanced by the caliber of the scumbags we have in Congress.
As if the above were not enough of an insult to the electorate, we are expected to believe that all the money, which the lobbyists are spreading, like manure, does not in fact influence our "whores" to do their bidding.
Well, tell you what, the American people probably could use some help identifying party membership, or the home of record of these people, but they damn sure don't need help identifying WHORES!
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Posted by: Doubtom43 on Nov 2, 2009 10:48 PM
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There's probably an unwritten book somewhere entitled "I was a male whore for the CIA".
Some of our male whores in Congress even go so far as to hire other male whores.
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Posted by: Red State Gal on Nov 3, 2009 1:44 PM
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Feminism is a lot bigger tent than Blue State Feminists would like it to be.
Are you a Red State Feminist? Take this quiz and find out:
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Posted by: cdmsr on Nov 3, 2009 10:04 PM
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The problem is that progressive women like you and Adele jump in with both feet and reflexively buy into the gyno-American bullshit, thereby legitimizing it. You are always ready to make or acknowledge accusations of sexism in a fashion that implies the accusation alone warrants conviction.
You need to grow a pair.
Now, was that sexist? Or is it allowed because I have heard -- many times -- women being described by women as having 'balls' or being 'ballsy'?
This is sexist: My friend and I were arguing the other day. I said that I thought excess estrogen hindered intellectual development. He disagreed. He said the problem was insufficient testosterone.
See the difference?
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Posted by: rational_moderate on Nov 4, 2009 4:10 PM
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It just seems too much like junior high school name calling.
I think it detracts from the important points to be made when criticising political opponents.
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Posted by: davmills on Nov 10, 2009 7:11 AM
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More seriously: calling a conservative/right-wing politician a "whore" is galling and in one sense inappropritate: they're uniformly against promiscuity.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Nov 2, 2009 2:23 AM
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Of course, that's no excuse be any harsher on them than on fat, white, male wing-nuts--if that's indeed what Olbermann and others are doing--but I think that's where it comes from.
To be honest, I just think it's a matter of principal: staying on moral high ground, even as you criticize and make fun of your opponents. I don't think it's a matter of giving ammo to the other side, because we all know they'll find something nasty to throw at you, even if they have to make it up.
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Posted by: chirho33 on Nov 2, 2009 4:33 AM
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Posted by: Magginkat on Nov 2, 2009 4:52 AM
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As for Alan Grayson, I wish we had a couple hundred versions of him in that spineless Democratic side of the Congress. We are constantly bombarded with the likes of Mitch McConnell, John 'Boner', Michelle Bachman, Lindsey Graham, etc, so why is it such a big deal when Grayson tells the truth?!!
Sorry Ms. Tana Ganeva, but you are just dead wrong on this issue. When Keith Olbermann referred to Malkin as a "big massed-up bag of meat with lipstick on it" he was being way too kind to that nasty little excuse for a human being. Ms. Malkin couldn't "ascend the feminist high ground" if her life depended on it.
I hope that Alan Grayson encourages a few more of those spineless wonders to speak out for We The People.
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Posted by: sdz on Nov 2, 2009 5:11 AM
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Wuss = wimp + pussy
A whore is a prostitute. And men can "whores" in this sense of the word. They can also be unscrupulous, which is an other meaning conveyed by the word, "whore."
Grayson's use of this word was not inappropriate per se.
Yet even if one gave Grayson the benefit of one's doubt it remains the case that he erred by giving his enemies a free and easy shot at his character.
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Posted by: Phred42 on Nov 2, 2009 5:19 AM
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This is accurate and perfectly acceptable.
On American dies every 12 mins for lack of Health care. Anyone against changing this is a murdering whore
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Posted by: Prinzowhales on Nov 2, 2009 5:24 AM
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Of course, for those with more perverse cravings, you can grease up and knock on Congressman Barney Frank's door and get some of that sweet child flesh from the underage boy toys that he claimed his 'room mate' ran out of his town house without his knowing it (wink, wink, nod, nod) Isn't he with the banking committee?--good to know we have statesmen like 'Barnyard' Frank to look out for our corporate interests...I just can't imagine anyone trying to blackmail him.
Most of the whores in the world are male, I think, and a goodly portion of them are members of the 'second oldest' profession who just wanted to distance themselves from the first by changing their names. So, the next time you are in Washington stop by the 'Best Little Whorehouse' in Washington--The Demopublican--pick out one of the strumpets and enjoy...just stuff the cash in the G-string when you're finished...if you can find it under the rolls of fat.
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Posted by: Gabba_Gabba_Hey on Nov 2, 2009 5:46 AM
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Hey, she used to be a real whore. She married a rich gay guy just for his money, and she used to say some really ludicrous Republican stuff. Now she's what passes for a prominent lefty.
As Alec Baldwin's (Republican) character said to Liz on "30 Rock": "You have a firm grasp of the obvious, telling me what I already know. You should write for the Huffington Post."
So there's hope even for Michele Malkin, I guess.
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Posted by: crackbaby2 on Nov 2, 2009 6:07 AM
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As long as the liberal weenies continue to squeak about words, we'll be ineffective. Go after these people. Make them pay a social price for their actions. Don't play the stupid game of "we can't sink to their level"; it is a losing strategy that ignores how people behave.
Grow up, liberals. Let's get after these republipigs in any legal way we can.
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Posted by: leafsong1 on Nov 2, 2009 6:39 AM
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Another way she is saying this is by demonstrating her own craven feminine weakness in the face of the turbulence of political bickering; she wants all of us to cower in fear of what the likes of Malkin and Beck might do to us if we fight too dirty for their preferences.
Not only has she failed to make the case that political misogyny is unacceptable, she has done just the opposite; she has made the case that such contempt of women in politics is justified.
I've got half a mind to call her an ignorant slut.
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Posted by: littlepitcher on Nov 2, 2009 6:48 AM
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Using sexist terminology to insult Malkin will assure that she will dump any good message because of the messenger's attitude.
Malkin, as a Filipina, comes from a country where 30% of the population lives on under $2 a day, where running water is a luxury most only dream of, where a US military base assured that, in a country colonized by the shamefully sexist Catholic church, the only way out of poverty for many of these families was, for sure, whoring their pretty, usually underaged daughters. And it was our military men who purchased and degraded them. Now that the base is gone, the majority of foreign women on chat rooms are Filipinas seeking American men.
Call Malkin a piece of meat and look like a reject male who can't get a woman. Call her a whore and make an enemy for life because of your nationality and your lack of understanding of the limited employment options available to women in Catholic countries, where whores, like Magdalene, are forgiven but where uppity working women are killed or ostracized.
If you have to resort to a sexist retort,
just shut up.
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Posted by: ETSpoon on Nov 2, 2009 7:04 AM
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In my opinion this business of dealing with a bully by trying to understand his "feelings" is crap! The best way to deal with a bully is to punch him in the nose. You may lose the fight in the short run but in the long run he'll leave you alone. In fact he may come to respect you because you stood up to him.
Before the Sixties progressivism and populism where tough, aggressive and the conservatives there truly what they are, the genteel upper class who wanted nothing but everything for them and serfdom for everybody else.
Well now the upper class still wants everything for themselves and serfdom for everybody else but they've re-modeled themselves as tough, masculine, rugged-individualists who get things done. And they have successfully re-framed liberals, with complicity from within, as soft, effete and ineffective wimps who won't fight back.
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Nov 2, 2009 8:01 AM
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Maybe if they don't appreciate being called WHORES, they shouldn't act like WHORES! Frankly, I have more respect for the women that walk the street, at least they are straight up and honest about what they are doing (trying to survive)! A psychologist might say they have self-hate, but at least they are not betraying their nation, just themselves! These mouth-pieces have no such scruples as they push this ideology, they not only betray themselves they also betray their nation by promulgating policies that they have to see aren't working for most Americans!
WHORES THEY ARE, WHORES THEY SHALL BE CALLED!!!
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Posted by: UnEasyOne on Nov 2, 2009 8:04 AM
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For those who (possibly like me) also missed it, Grayson did apologize - abjectly.
Personally, I think he shouldn't have.
Ms Geneva - by implicitly denying the existence of millions of male whores - is the sexist here.
And simply because lipstick was mentioned, doesn't mean that Olberman's comment was sexist. It was gender specific, as it would have been if he referred to some guy as a "mashed up bag of meat in a jock strap" would have been. Sorry, "gender specific" is not the same as sexist.
I, for one, am really tired of this PC bullshit. There is real sexism out there to get "het up" about. This nonsense of pouncing on an incautious word or phrase simply distracts from the real issue, makes it all look a bit silly.
Why not write an article about sexism in the workplace instead, Ms Geneva? My wife has been banging her extremely competent head against a glass ceiling for years. Women are being brutalized because of their sex by the thousands (millions?) daily. I could name dozens of real, gut-wrenching issues that affect every woman - but especially poor women.
Instead, you choose to get your bowels in an uproar about what a couple of real allies to your cause have to say about a corrupt rich bitch.
And yes, I used the term bitch. Had it been a guy, I would have said bastard. Although there are technically as many illegitimate females as males, the insult "bastard" is almost exclusively reserved for male assholes, and "bitch" for the female.
Why not get in an uproar about something that matters?
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Posted by: felipe on Nov 2, 2009 8:38 AM
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1: A prostitute -v.i.
2: to act as a whore
3: to consort with whores
Not a single gender reference in the whole definition. As a writer one would expect Ms. Ganeva to have some knowledge and respect for the the proper usage of the English language (or at least a dictionary to reference).
By definition Rep. Grayson did not say anything improper or wrong here, nor were his comments 'sexist'.
Your ignorance of the word Ms. Ganeva, is the problem here. You assign to the word 'whore' an incorrect, biased meaning. It is your ignorance that has turned this K-Street whore into a 'victim', at least in your mind, not Rep. Grayson.
You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to create your own definitions of words.
If an Alternet staffer responds with an address, I will send Ms. Ganeva a dictionary if she does not already have one. If she does, I hope she'll begin to reference it next time she chooses to twist somebody's words into something they do not actually mean.
Why this matters. It is no different than the Republicans turning 'liberal' into a dirty word. Look up the definition, there is no way any rational person would not want to be a liberal, by definition.
Words are important. Use them properly.
BTW- Prostitute reference both males and females. Yes, I looked it up.
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Posted by: goldmarx on Nov 2, 2009 9:11 AM
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The track record should be a minumum of 3 times. A "three strikes" rule, if you will.
Female politicians of the Left should not be similarly encumbered. Why? because, frankly, it would be extremely entertaining to see, say, Barbara Boxer call say, Ann Coulter a whore - or worse. My kind of "distaff/distaff" action!
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Posted by: jstepp590 on Nov 2, 2009 9:34 AM
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Would "corporate prostitute" work better for you, more politically correct? All of the above are accurate.
Sorry you can't get your gender goggles off but I back his statement, and the reality of our lobbying hijacking it represents, 100%.
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Posted by: logansafi on Nov 2, 2009 9:35 AM
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While I am not a fan of mindlessly decrying the Republicans as being stupid when they are not any more so than most Democrats, we on the Left side of the political landscape still run just as often into people telling us to tone it down. Don’t show hate in your voice, don’t shout, don’t use sexist language, and be polite with those we oppose, these centrist Blue liberal types will all always say. Who are they and what are they talking about?
The two most common types of these milquetoast PC fellows are those who are really are into their own supposedly responsible lobbying mindset of seeking to ’speak truth’ to Power. Adopt the polite, city council sort of vocabulary and volume of voice. Smile; don’t shout! …if you want to be heard and listened to…blah,blah,blah.
It’s all the sort of thing a Middle School counselor might tell a student who has an obnoxious teacher ruling over them. These counselors get paid to do that job, don’t they? But the professional PC milquetoast liberal is usually only aspiring to be listened to by Democratic Party reps in government. If they can hunt down a grant or two or a paid position for themselves, they must simply be the ‘polite’ type and they try to police those around them on it, too.
The other constant PC type on the the Left side are the religious pacifists who believe that turn the other cheek is about as ‘violent’ as one should ever get. They too are always seeking ‘access’ to Democratic Party government reps (POWER) and their supposed moral consciences though they never seem do, because they are way too wimpy milquetoast as they try to worship Jesus and Gandhi so endlessly and religiously. They simply don’t like it when they hear bad words in the church like ambience they try to always maintain.
Alternet has this article online right now, Why We Shouldn’t Call Women Conservatives ‘Whores’, and it has some discussion of this issue.
To this, I say it is not only OK to call Conservatives whores, but it is also OK to call Hillary Clinton a frustrated lesbian whore. Or just a lesbian or just a whore. After all believe me, in Hillary’s circles they call the common folk much worse than this! Trust me on this, won’t you? Time to get angry about it, too! And angry is never PC in some angst torn circles.
The whole problem with the ‘you need to tone it down’ PC types out their in our midst, is that this tone and mindset is totally wrong to use in confronting bullies, and our society is replete with bullies ruling from their perches. The rich bullies even hire profession corporate media bullies to verbally smash into The People. You going to say ‘purty please’ back to that? It simply doesn’t work. It doesn’t work with Police State bullies at all.
Right now, supposedly ‘politically correct’ verbal wimpiness has been killing the Left for some time. If we’re going to fight it out with The American Right we need to discard some of our pretty little manners, and to do it soon. That doesn’t mean that we will be acting like the Mindless Zombies that we oppose when we do so. It simply means we will stop acting like we are servile peasants asking our Lords for mercy. It simply don’t work. It never will.
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Posted by: GuitarBill on Nov 2, 2009 10:15 AM
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"...What universities are saying by these codes, special protections and double standards, to women, to blacks, to Hispanics, to gay and lesbian students is, 'You are too weak to live with freedom; you are too weak to live with the First Amendment.'
"If someone tells you that are too weak to live with freedom, they have turned you into a child."
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Posted by: chariotdrvr14 on Nov 2, 2009 10:23 AM
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It's not what they say but how they mean it.
All K-Street lobbyists are whores, regardless!
I understand the point the writer tries to make here.
When a women is too aggressive in politics she's called 'a dragon lady' and if a man is it's called 'being tough and agressive'.
The double standards of course are quite glaring and the press traditionally injects a certain Freudian sexual innuendo into every political event.
Nonetheless, that doesn't mitigate what these weasels who subvert the "democratic process" do to suit the ends of their corporate clients and they aren't above sexual favors even if they're buying it for their favorite congressperson.
The even greater question is ...who is the biggest whore in Congress? Any GOP might get that one but for my money right now it's Max Baucus.
I eschewed the sexist attributions a long time ago. For instance, I have never refered to women as 'sluts'...but on the other hand I always thought 'all men are sluts'...let's face it... come on, dudes admit it, we're easy.
And I admit it,... I am most definitely a slut.
Just waiting for the right women to notice.
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Posted by: westomoon on Nov 2, 2009 11:24 AM
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Don't you remember the Sarah Palin campaign? Any criticism of the candidate was decried as sexism and misogyny, just because it was aimed at a woman. (Unfortunately, they learned this trick from Hillary Clinton's primary campaign.) Letting yourself be sidetracked to debate whether it was or wasn't was exactly what they wanted.
Grayson is a brilliant man, and his genius lies in boiling things down to their essence. All K Street lobbyists - most of whom are men -- are corporate whores. Do we have to euphemize that simply because a given lobbyist is female? No, we don't. The right went bugfuck and demanded apologies when Grayson [accurately] described the Republican healthcare plan as "Don't get sick; die quickly". Are we going to let their hypertrophied sensibilities define civil discourse? Craziness.
Take it from a front-line foot soldier of the Second Wave of feminism -- these examples aren't sexism. And trying to be so perfect that the troglodytes of the right can't criticize us is a doomed strategy -- no one can be that perfect, not even their fellow "conservatives", as the upstate NY Congressional race has demonstrated. Save the feminist critique for the real issues, wouldja?
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» *grinning* Oh, I'll still jump ya for the real thing
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Posted by: GuitarBill on Nov 2, 2009 11:45 AM
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Second Amendment:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Third Amendment:
No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Fourth Amendment
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Fifth Amendment
No person shall be held to answer for any capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Sixth Amendment
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.
Seventh Amendment
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
Eight Amendment
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Ninth Amendment
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Tenth Amendment
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
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Posted by: fredhb on Nov 2, 2009 1:04 PM
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Posted by: MT512 on Nov 2, 2009 2:01 PM
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but in politics the context is most likely unisex, and thus not sexist
my governor and senators are whores, and men
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Posted by: GuitarBill on Nov 2, 2009 3:26 PM
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"Olbermann's gendered attack allowed the terrible Malkin, who called Clinton a 'gyno-candidate' during the presidential primaries, to ascend the feminist high ground: 'The "M" in MSNBC stands for misogyny', she happily announced on her blog."
%^)
Is this the same Michelle Malkin--anchor baby and conservative columnist of Asian descent--who defended Japanese internment and anti-Muslim racial profiling?
Hmmmmmm...
Is this the same Michelle Malkin who made her name opposing political correctness and identity politics, and now, suddenly, she's playing the [cough] victim card?
Hmmmmmm...
Does anyone else find it amusing that Michelle Malkin is attacking Kieth Olbermann FROM THE LEFT?
Hmmmmmm...
Am I the only person who recognizes how untenable--not to mention hypocritical--her position is?
Got logic?
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Posted by: flymulla on Nov 2, 2009 5:14 PM
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I thank you
Firozali A mulla
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Posted by: westomoon on Nov 2, 2009 5:34 PM
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Here's the ActBlue website for the "money bomb" project, and here's what DFA had to say:
When Democracy for America endorsed Alan Grayson for Congress last year conventional wisdom in DC said Grayson was a long-shot at best. No one thought he would win. No one, that is, but DFA members on the ground who were working hard every day to deliver results.
Alan Grayson hasn't looked back since Election Day. He's not afraid to say what it takes to get the message across and fight back against Republican lies and misinformation.
Now, one year from today, Alan Grayson is up for reelection and Republicans have put a giant target on his back. It's pretty straight forward why -- they're afraid of him. They're going to pull out all the stops to defeat him. We can't let that happen.
So today, DFA members are joining with others across the progressive movement for a one-day contribution "money bomb" in support of Alan Grayson. If we raise $400,000 today, we'll send chills down the spine of every single right-wing blowhard around the county.
So why DO the Republicans hate Grayson so much?
Well, Republicans spent the whole summer yelling lies about "Death Panels" and how President Obama was going to pull the plug on grandma. And all August, Democrats in Congress went from town hall to town hall playing defense and trying to figure out what hit them. Alan Grayson had enough. There is no Republican plan on healthcare. They would rather do nothing, than fix it. Recognizing that over 42,000 Americans a year die because they don't have health insurance under our current system, Representative Grayson decided it was time to go on the attack and put the Republicans on defense.
"The Republican's healthcare plan: 1) Don't get sick 2) if you do, Die Quickly"
One sentence and Rep. Grayson reclaimed the debate. Everyone was talking about it. How many Americans don't have insurance? How many Americans die each year because of it? What actually IS the Republican plan?
Republicans aren't used to Democrats attacking back, but they immediately went on the war path. They demanded Grayson apologize. He was already a step ahead of them.
Rep. Grayson took to the floor of Congress and apologized to the dead. To every American who had died while Republicans held up the healthcare debate and Congress waited to enact reform. Suddenly, it's the Republicans who didn't know what hit them. First a Democrat stands up and then he won't shut up and sit down when Republicans yell at him? You can imagine their surprise.
Thanks to Alan Grayson, for the first time all summer, Republicans were finally playing defense.
But that won't last forever. Congressional Quarterly recently downgraded Rep. Grayson's reelection race from a "toss-up" to "leans Republican." That's why we need to have Grayson's back. If we raise $400,000 in one day, we'll send a message to Republicans nationwide they won't miss.
Sorry to be late in posting this -- but I'm sure they'll allow for stragglers.
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Posted by: Smartcookie on Nov 2, 2009 6:14 PM
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In short the left walks on eggshells hoping not to hurt anyone's feelings, that is why they were so roundly defeated IMHO. Too nice and too politically correct.
With so much at stake at least Castro and Che guevera knew where they stood.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_Guevera
Capitalism cannot be reformed without getting severe like those in the great depression knew and those who fought for the 8 hour work day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8_hour_day
IMHO alternet should be publishing stories from those era's to inspire the left to get off it's ass and cause mischeif en masse.
Most current people on theleft are a ballsless generation.
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Posted by: thicky on Nov 2, 2009 8:12 PM
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The etymology of the word whore may have been associated more with one gender rather than the other in many cultures(but not all), and while today the word may have sexual connotations, that in itself does not make use of the word whore, sexism.
To call use of the word whore sexism is a personal/tribal judgment. What is so disappointing is the myopic view of inside the beltway reporters who seem to be trying to maintain the "official Washington liberal" point of view. Just because one parrots the absurdities of the word gender/sex police in order to stay in the good graces of "the right people" in Washington D.C. doesn't make it right.
Everything in this world is about the duality of sex. The world as we know it would not exist without sex; even the pollination and fertilization of plants is sexual(most of us have been taught about the birds and the bees). Though there are asexual beings/creatures/things they all exist in an essentially sexual world. The asexual have just found a niche in our fully sexual world. Trying to make everything fit into a completely asexual neutral world is unnatural.
Unlike the asexual right-wingers who have found their narrow niche in the taint of a teabagger, I would hope that the good reporters here at Alternet would stop trying to neuter their readers into an asexual liberal niche and support the overwhelming sentiments of their readers and commenters in the real world outside The Washington Beltway. The rich use of words, images, and metaphors in describing our world and the whores in it makes the planet Earth a better place.
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» Very well said. It's time to quit squabbling amongst ourselves AND KICK SOME REDNECK ASS!
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Posted by: ZZinn on Nov 2, 2009 10:17 PM
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Should we all have not used charged words like "redneck" with George W.? NO of course not, it means very little.
Women's rights should be at the forefront of the left agenda, but bitching (uh oh how sexist of me) about someone using the word "whore" in this context isn't really doing much for women's rights, it's just focusing on trivialities when there are much more important things to care about.
I can't believe that progressive journalists and pundits have the time to waste on this tripe.
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Posted by: Doubtom43 on Nov 2, 2009 10:34 PM
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We are seen as liars and hypocrites by much of the world, in our stated claim to being a democratic Republic, when in fact, we are a ruthless empire, that will brook no opposition whatsoever. We back dictators and assassinate those who oppose our imperialistic ventures. That's our record and it is not enhanced by the caliber of the scumbags we have in Congress.
As if the above were not enough of an insult to the electorate, we are expected to believe that all the money, which the lobbyists are spreading, like manure, does not in fact influence our "whores" to do their bidding.
Well, tell you what, the American people probably could use some help identifying party membership, or the home of record of these people, but they damn sure don't need help identifying WHORES!
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Posted by: Doubtom43 on Nov 2, 2009 10:48 PM
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There's probably an unwritten book somewhere entitled "I was a male whore for the CIA".
Some of our male whores in Congress even go so far as to hire other male whores.
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Posted by: Red State Gal on Nov 3, 2009 1:44 PM
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Feminism is a lot bigger tent than Blue State Feminists would like it to be.
Are you a Red State Feminist? Take this quiz and find out:
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Posted by: cdmsr on Nov 3, 2009 10:04 PM
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The problem is that progressive women like you and Adele jump in with both feet and reflexively buy into the gyno-American bullshit, thereby legitimizing it. You are always ready to make or acknowledge accusations of sexism in a fashion that implies the accusation alone warrants conviction.
You need to grow a pair.
Now, was that sexist? Or is it allowed because I have heard -- many times -- women being described by women as having 'balls' or being 'ballsy'?
This is sexist: My friend and I were arguing the other day. I said that I thought excess estrogen hindered intellectual development. He disagreed. He said the problem was insufficient testosterone.
See the difference?
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Posted by: rational_moderate on Nov 4, 2009 4:10 PM
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It just seems too much like junior high school name calling.
I think it detracts from the important points to be made when criticising political opponents.
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Posted by: davmills on Nov 10, 2009 7:11 AM
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More seriously: calling a conservative/right-wing politician a "whore" is galling and in one sense inappropritate: they're uniformly against promiscuity.
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