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Why Are People Obsessed with Their Kids?

By Vanessa Richmond, The Tyee. Posted June 29, 2009.


Our current interest in children and parenting is neither normal nor historical. Nor is it very healthy for kids, parents and society at large.
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Last week, America's two most famous parents filed for divorce. It's not really any surprise.

"As always, my first priority remains our children," said Kate last night. She's the mother on John and Kate Plus 8, a reality TV show about two parents' efforts to raise their twins and sextuplets.

"Our kids are still my number one priority... My job is being the best, most supportive and loving father that I can be to my kids, and not being married to Kate doesn't change that," said John.

Their divorce announcement was the main story in the tabloids, bumping the previous top story, "Gisele Bundchen, Tom Brady Expecting a Baby!" and other top-five stories, "Matthew McConaughey and His Girlfriend Expecting Second Baby," and "Report: Sarah Jessica Parker and Matthew Broderick Welcome Twins!"

Some people are starting to (unpopularly) point out that our current interest in kids and parenting is neither normal nor historical. The "parenthood" concept is, in fact, a recent invention, a type of obsession, and even a form of insanity. Some would say "parenthood" is responsible for divorces, like sweet Kate and John's, and other types of fallout, like, say, Kate's not-so-sweet temper. When humans can't stand the heat, sometimes we don't get out of the fire; we fan the flames and sometimes get burnt.

Blame Clara for 'Parenthood'

"I blame... Clara Savage Littledale, whose job it was to help invent American parenthood," writes Jill Lepore in this week's New Yorker. Littledale was the first editor of Parenting magazine, and helped create an industry that turned normal adults into parents, and normal parents into bad parents in need of saving.

"Stages of life are artifacts," writes Lepore. "Adolescence is a useful contrivance, midlife is a moving target, senior citizens are an interest group, and tweenhood is just plain made up." Lepore argues that parenthood at first seems different -- in that, duh, there have always been parents, and those parents have "always been besotted with their children, awestruck by their impossible beauty, dopey high jinks, and strange little minds." But she says "parenthood," the word, and our current understanding of it, dates only to the mid-19th century, and our idea of what it means is "historically in its infancy."

Life used to be like this, according to Lepore. You were "born into a growing family, you help rear your siblings, have the first of your own half-dozen or even dozen children soon after you're grown, and die before your youngest has left home." In the early 1800s, the fertility rate of American women was between seven and eight children (now it's just over two for American women, and about one and a half for Canadian women). Adults died by age 60, and almost every household had children in it. By 1920, only about 55 per cent of households had kids. Now, it's under a third.

Most people today don't grow up caring for young siblings or other kids, and don't know how to do even basic things like bathing or soothing babies. First-time parents can't count on grandparents anymore in most cases. And all of this means parenthood has become mystifying.


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The World is a Dangerous Place For Children...
Posted by: Uriahz on Jun 29, 2009 1:56 AM   
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Well, not really. The world is actually a generally delightful place with very few dangers for even young children, even more so in this country.

Most parents in this country are psychotic, fearful television drones who somehow fail to understand that their lack of a meaningful personality and constant over-protectionism is the surest way to cripple a child emotionally. Fortunately, that aseptic horror of a childhood does set you up nicely to arrange to be comfortable in a meaningless job, while spending all of your free time tuning out reality, robotically consuming and raising more boringly average children, just like your parents did. Now remember, unscheduled free time will inevitably make your children lazy, so you can't have any of that if you can help it. And unsupervised play is completely out of the question. Lord only knows what they'd get into.

I ain't saying there's not a lot of really bad parents out there in the classic sense, abusive, absentee, generally neglectful, obsessive, domineering, alcoholic, all that shit everyone's afraid of being thought of as. That's out there and I've known a bunch of people (and dated too many) who were seriously messed up by poor parenting. But damn, there's a world of difference between that and giving your children the space and the encouragement to be themselves!

Send your children to play out in the woods by themselves. Train them right and they should have no problem with this by the time they're 8 or 9, easily. Throw out your television. Move somewhere with a local school system that doesn't follow the Alcatraz model of education. Take the time to be an interesting person yourself! You want them to be creative, capable and interesting people as adults? YOU HAVE TO SET THE EXAMPLE. You have to take the time for yourself. Develop your hobbies, and as your kids get older they can take part. Cook damn good food as often as you possibly can, and share it with friends and family, and that also means taking the time to build real honest friendships with other people.

Someone who says that their children are their life has no life to speak of. You might as well just kill them and get it over with-- they're not adding anything to anyone's life that couldn't be better accomplished by watching television and smoking pot. Worthless, the lot of them.

Problem is, it costs too much to own your own house. We spend too much time at work, and too much time commuting, and too much time shopping, and too much time in front of a screen. Health care is an unbearable expense. There's all this shit getting in the way of what I would take to be actual good parenting, not least of which is Dateline specials on all the million billion things you have to be afraid about, constantly pushed on unsuspecting parents as a conformation method. It makes me sick.

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Children are the couple's 'higher power'
Posted by: weathered on Jun 29, 2009 2:35 AM   
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The child becomes a center of gravity to fill a hole, to validate the parent's purpose. That is never good, it's disproportionate and ultimately selfish.

People, places and things will fail us, they're built to. Unless we forge a meaningful spiritual relationship w/God or a power outside of self, we're f-ked.

Tolle teaches us why? Ego will do anything to keep itself busy. The child becomes a BMW w/a teething ring, an object.

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Kids
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jun 29, 2009 3:16 AM   
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If your kids are the center of your life, then it's probably time to get a life.

Good article, and some good comments so far.

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» RE: Kids Posted by: mr. joshua
» RE: Kids Posted by: tangus
the invention of childhood...
Posted by: ellie on Jun 29, 2009 3:39 AM   
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first time in a while to see an article that actually takes a shot at this invention of childhood and parenthood ideal type model in today's world... it's based in the middle class model of parental expectations, and all are held to the same model, with no consideration of socio economic status, parental age of first child, culture and education...

it begins differently for girls and boys... girls are encouraged to play with dolls at a very young age and boys are discouraged to do the same, but to imitate work and 'fixing things'...

not everyone is cut out for parenting in the first place and we shun those that choose not to participate labeling them 'selfish, immature, and sometimes deviant...

heard a line the other day where a woman of 20 was accusing another 24 year old woman as having 'dried up ovaries' because she has chosen not to give birth already!!! the 20 year old had 3 kids already... realized that in this exchange, both were lower SES with few prospect available, with motherhood being the only acceptable role...

back to coffee...

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» refusing to admit mistakes? Posted by: luzmejor
» Babies are a gift from Jebus. Just ask Bristol. Posted by: Honky the Nihilist IX
Motherhood is the only way for mediocre woman to aggrandize themselves.
Posted by: Honky the Nihilist IX on Jun 29, 2009 3:53 AM   
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Why aren’t you a CEO, A Doctor, an astronaut? Is it because you’re mediocre? Oh. It’s because you’re a mother. How noble of you to give up your dreams, which you never had the ability to accomplish, to push out the 7th billion ape in this overcrowded planet.

I don’t care about your kids. I will not make concessions for your kids. Everyone from the gun control nuts, the Religious Right, the Greenies/ Vegans, love to wave their hands and implore we “Think of the children”. Fuck the children and fuck the parents.

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» haha. I'm not M. Jackson. Posted by: Honky the Nihilist IX
» RE: haha. I'm not M. Jackson. Posted by: tony_opmoc
» Fearless post. Posted by: abbadon2007
Quantity versus Quality Time
Posted by: taxidriver on Jun 29, 2009 4:03 AM   
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I wonder how many parents are so busy with work, etc., that they spoil their kids with material goods and other disposable items, while supposedly spending "quality" time with them?

The moments I cherish with my father were "quantity" time: time spent fishing, or playing cards, or tossing a football, even watching sports on TV together and talking about the game.

It just seems too much "kid-time" today is overly structured, and guilty and obsessive parents compensate with material gifts to placate the kids. Meanwhile, the kids exploit parental guilt, doing basically nothing around the home.

It's sad.

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The Title Should Be "Why Aren't People Obsessed With Their Kids?"
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Jun 29, 2009 4:35 AM   
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The vast majority of people have no idea what Babies really are, until they have one of their own. Even then many parents do not do what they are naturally programmed to do.

They should be obsessed with their little bundle of joy, because Baby is the most phenomenally intelligent learning creation they will ever hold in their arms.

Humans learn more in their first few years than they will throughout the rest of their life. How long does it take an adult to learn a new language? A child can learn multiple languages all at the same time, whilst also learning a multiplicity of other skills.

This learning should be a natural unstructured process that just happens because Parents Love The Child - and are completely Amazed with them.

But in the modern World, most Mother's go to work, or their Fathers are not around. The Child ends up being dumped off on someone else. Parenting is effectively outsourced, subcontracted, offloaded elsewhere. The Dog is often treated far better than the Child.

Kids are enrolled into the Rat Race in Nurseries to be Controlled and Programmed, when they should be playing with Mum and her Friend's Babies or Brothers and Sisters.

Once in School, the Structure and Control usually results in the real learning progress grinding to a halt. People simply do not like being controlled - and if forced to learn something will put up every resistance possible.

The entire educational and social system is designed to keep Mothers working and away from their Children, and for Children to be trained to pass tests. The content is almost irrelevant, all that is required is to learn the skills to pass the Tests.

The result is a society of control freaks and sociopaths. The most ruthless end up in the positions of dominance throughout society - yet are so ignorant and mindless they do not have even the most basic understanding of humanity and what we could actually achieve if we escaped their chains of control.

Tony

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Excellent Article - A few extra points..
Posted by: strahlungsamt on Jun 29, 2009 5:07 AM   
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Let me add a few points here. This is all from my own experience growing up, from what my parents did and didn't do, and how I will correct it if I ever have kids.

1. BURN ALL SELF-HELP BOOKS NOW!!!!
Instead ask your parents or grandparents how they did it. Common sense is a far more important asset than anything done in a "recent study". I'm sick of kids with no sense of responsibility, who have achieved nothing but who think they are the most important thing since fried bread. Guess what? you're not! You're only as good as what you accomplish in life and by how you treat others. Not because you're your father's sperm.

2. SEND THEM TO WORK.
I don't care how shitty the job is. Flipping burgers or filling ice-cream cones all day gives the person a sense of what working is like. Also, they have their own money so teach them about saving and budgeting. Make them put some of it back into the home so they appreciate how hard you work to feed them.
Also, work with them, as in know what shifts they need to do and make sure they arrange any holidays in advance. These are real-world skills and any kid who doesn't understand them now will have a lot of problems in later life.
Sorry, but I watched too many college kids sign up for unlimited credit with no thought of how they will ever repay it and thereby ruining their lives. Don't make your kid's future a gift to MBNA.

3. MAKE THEM PLAY SPORT!!!
This is another thing I see too much of today. Kids patting themselves on the back for getting out of gym class.
At the same time, parents are panicking because of school bullying. Let me tell you something, competitiveness is a fact of life. The kid who can't fight because is the kid who gets picked on first. If he is strong and can fight back, he won't be picked on. That's just the way it is, the way it always was and the way it will always be. If I hear another parent saying "violence doesn't solve anything" I will personally smack that parent in the face. Violence solves everything in the playground. Anyone who doesn't agree was never a kid.
Sport also builds a sense of comradeship. It teaches kids how to work in teams and look out for each other. And it helps combat obesity. Forget all that Goth and Emo crap. You don't have to be a football jock or a cheerleader but nobody ever got hired by a corporation for being a Marilyn Manson fan.
Remember: THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR KIDS NOT TO PLAY SPORTS!!

4. REALITY BEFORE FANTASY!!!
OK, this is a hard one for some people to grasp but today we live in a world saturated with advertising, fashion, religion, new age, ancient prophesies etc.. Make sure your kids are firmly grounded in reality. If the Bible says the World is flat and science has long proved the opposite, make sure they know which one is right. Also, make sure they know enough science to distinguish flim-flam from reality.
Science invented rockets and airplanes. Flim-flam invented nothing.

5 DON'T HOME SCHOOL!!
If Michael Jackson left one overriding message from his life, it is the error of isolating someone from the real world. I personally believe that if he had mixed with normal kids and had normal experiences as a child, he would never have had all the plastic surgery he did nor would he have had kids sleep over.
Your kids should not be isolated either. Academic grades are important but socializing with others is even more important.
Locking your kids away in a bubble is the single worst thing you could do to them. I would even argue that parents who beat their kids are doing them a favor in comparison. At least they are giving them a taste of the real world.

The World is not a perfect place. It never will be. If a person can't survive in an imperfect world, they cannot survive at all.

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» And another thing... Posted by: tulugaq
» Item #3 ....... Posted by: nearblindjames
» "2. SEND THEM TO WORK." Posted by: xvictor
» Sport? Screw that. Posted by: Eddie Van Helsing
Parenthood
Posted by: playitsam on Jun 29, 2009 5:34 AM   
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I'm not sure that quoting "Kate" saying that their first priority is their children is "obsessing" about them. I agree that, in some cases, parents can be obsessively overprotective. Most parents that I know do not fall in that category. The writer talks about how it was in the past. Sorry, I don't buy the idea that kids were better off in previous generations. In many cases parents did not "obsess" about their kids enough. They were treated as mini-adults who were expected to carry burdens that caused a lot of problems. Many of the adults of the WWII generation don't have great memories of their childhoods and not because of the Depression. Yes, some parents are obsessive and over-protective. Most are pretty normal despite what you see on television.

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lacking
Posted by: astralman on Jun 29, 2009 5:46 AM   
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ask anyone why they want a child, and they can't give you an answer other than, "I just want one." people should spend more time developing themselves instead of being overbearing neurotics, which is ultimately selfish and inconsiderate towards the child.

parenthood is a badge of honor people martyr themselves for to the detriment of themselves and the people they know.

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» RE: lacking Posted by: mr. joshua
» RE: lacking Posted by: astralman
Otto
Posted by: otto on Jun 29, 2009 5:50 AM   
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This article makes a point...but there are also so many other factors involved in modern society, some of which are blown off too easily. Our whole cultural atmosphere - too materialistic and consumer-commercial-corporate influenced - has led to a break down in family life and loss of many good traditional values.

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» RE: Otto Posted by: Live Gently
obsession with kids explains a lot
Posted by: pennagal on Jun 29, 2009 5:59 AM   
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One thing it explains is the crazy, inverted priorities of adoption practice in the USA. Instead of being about finding homes for children who need one, it's about finding a child for parents who want one. Too often adopted children are must-have accessories.

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refreshing
Posted by: sureshot45 on Jun 29, 2009 6:01 AM   
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as a parent of twin 2 year olds, i really enjoyed this article. i often times feel like i dont measure up in terms of what being a 'good mom' is. i dont obsess over my kids. i have plenty of other thinks to talk about with adults and i do. even my friends who are also parents..i really hate talking about our kids. so what? unless there is a hysterical story (a lot of times there are) then dont waste your time. no one cares when your baby girl first rolled over. no one cares how many hours you were awake last night with your infant.

it is much healhier (and happier!) to lead your own life, raise your kids the best you can, set an example of a grounded, well rounded invididual with interest and hobbies outside of your own home.

i was reading some parenting magazine at the dentist office the other day..with tips and ideas on what to do with your kids on a rainy day. this thing actually suggested all kinds of arts and crafts that would require about an hour of prep time from the parents. why not just play with your kids instead??!

it is hard to work (both my husband and i have to) and raise a family. my parents actually watch our kids at least one night a week overnight. we party, sleep in, have sex. i think more people should utilize their extended families for help. it builds relationships and gives you and your spouse a much needed break. and i dont think its a sign of weakness accepting so much help, but a sign of strength. i still do me..and so does my husband. and our kids are (well..they seem) quite happy. so far..

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» RE: refreshing Posted by: badmonkey
Just more reason why there are too many
Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on Jun 29, 2009 6:31 AM   
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breeders, etc.
Abstinence does NOT work.
The brain dead anti choicers ONLY want to force births and desert the brats after they're out.
Too goddamn many additions to the world population.
Never made one and, never missed it.

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What a refreshing article from AlterNet!
Posted by: Quist on Jun 29, 2009 6:47 AM   
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Now this is some progressive independent thinking. This is the kind of article and thinking that keeps me reading AlterNet. I'm looking forward to discussing this topic further when I get some time later.

BTW, there are a lot of great responses/posts that I truly agree with.

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I swear
Posted by: solrev on Jun 29, 2009 7:03 AM   
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I am sure glad I do not live on your planet. We had a picnic last month and we set up the valley ball net, there were three generations playing in the game, and a forth generation holding a fifth generation watching the game. Kids are the most important things in my family, just come to one of our picnics and you will see five generations of them. We never grow up it takes all the fun out of life.

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» RE: I swear Posted by: astralman
some of you are too young to know ...
Posted by: lindawageck1 on Jun 29, 2009 7:13 AM   
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Come on people. Some of you are too young to know what we're talking about here. No,
the problem is not materialism, blah blah.

As everybody over the age of 65 KNOWS is that the invention of the birth control pill is what changed everybody's view of children.[NO, I'm not criticizing The Pill. I'm just saying thats what caused the big attitude change over time.]

Back in the 50s and early 60s little babies were NOT some bundle from heaven as much as now. Believe me. You have to believe me. Even parents who wanted children did not see kids as these perfect little creatures to be obsessed with.

It's the generation of women who have always had birth control and perhaps their mother did too.

That means Gen X'ers espec-ially have been taught to coo and coo over their 'perfect' babies.

The advent of birth control has made a HUGE differenct. The article above? I noticed the change in parents attitudes back in the early 1980s. And 18 years later (1998) it had gotten so sick-ening sweet that it's just not healthy.

These cooing parents were taught by their own mother who was probably the first generation in her family to actually CHOOSE to have a baby [and/or knock herself out getting pregnant.]

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How did we survive ??
Posted by: cmaukonen on Jun 29, 2009 7:14 AM   
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Being one the the last to experience some of these things,
I wonder what young people do for fun. It seems that most of it has been determined to be to dangerous.

Oh and remember when chemistry sets had real chemicals in them ??

Chris

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Who's obsessed?
Posted by: lunk on Jun 29, 2009 7:43 AM   
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Judging from some of the comments here, it seems like there are also lots of people obsessed about NOT having children...Who will help them?

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» RE: Who's obsessed? Posted by: NoKidding
» RE: ...and yours too Mr. Joshua. Posted by: mr. joshua
So much anger and judgement.
Posted by: Live Gently on Jun 29, 2009 8:28 AM   
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Quite a bit of insipid judgement and misplaced anger in this post today. It appears that none of you have suffered the loss of a child or for that matter experienced a child's love.

My view on being a parent is this:

Children are a gift to us from God. (feel free to insert whatever wording works for you here)
How we raise and guide those children and the values we insist in them is our gift to the world.

Teach your children to be kind and empathetic, give them appropriate responsibilities, guide them to problem solve, show them that materialism is vacuous and irresponsible, be involved in their life, volunteer at their school, let them know that they are valued, and most importantly LOVE them.

We, as a society, have a long way to go - as evidenced by so many of the callous and distressing comments that have been posted.

Children are the future, and perhaps the future will be brighter for everyone if we can open our hearts to them.

You don't have to be a parent to love or support a child - and your life will be enriched on more levels than you can imagine.

Time to stop judging and start caring.

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» RE: So much anger and judgement. Posted by: sunnywater
» RE: So much anger and judgement. Posted by: Live Gently
» RE: ALL LIFE IS A GIFT Posted by: Live Gently
We are
Posted by: Archie1954 on Jun 29, 2009 8:47 AM   
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obsessed with our kids because we want to be. My wife and I had children with the full expectation of being obsessed with them. The fact that our two boys were great looking, very intelligent kids and are now handsome men (both mining engineers) made it extremely easy to get obsessed and stay obsessed. We did everything we could to make it easier for them, including moving to the "right" neighbourhood, accessing the "right" schools, cultivating the "right" friends etc. Funny thing is, after doing all that and knowing full well that we were, I wouldn't change a thing, not one thing. We have a fantastic relationship with our boys and their friends, and their friends parents who are now our friends. It's amazing how today's youth gets around. Because of our kids we have friends who are high powered CEOs, members of the nobility, national politicians, entertainers, artists etc. It is very exciting to say the least.

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» RE: We are Posted by: NoKidding
» RE: We are Posted by: pjbs
» RE: We are Posted by: sunnywater
» RE: "Because of our kids Posted by: armorypk
Am I too obsessed with my kids?
Posted by: MatthewSavage on Jun 29, 2009 8:53 AM   
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Dammit! Now I have to become less obsessed with my kids?! Is there some kind of self-help book on this topic? Where are the experts to help me make sure my children turn into perfect little angels and then well-adjusted, healthy adults?

I mean, my kids are the most important thing in my life, and I want only the best for them. If being the perfect parent means becoming less obsessed with being the perfect parent, sign me up for the course. Money is no object, of course. Anything for my kids.

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The children worshippers are starting to come out of the woodwork.
Posted by: Quist on Jun 29, 2009 9:25 AM   
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Parents who worship their kids, from my observations, always take great offense when you question this unhealthy worship, obsession, and coddling.

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More divisiveness - greeaaat
Posted by: chrish on Jun 29, 2009 9:58 AM   
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I had no idea there was so much hostility from so many people without children towards people with children. I can only say don't knock it until you'be tried it. What you see as "obsession" is caring, concern, guidance, teaching, etc.

The fleeting time with we have with our kids - and time does fly! - is precious and treasured. we have friends and careers and social lives in addition, but they will endure after these moments with our children are over. Think of it rather as a wholehearted immersion.

Put it on a par with a vaunted yogi or gourmet, perhaps more to your approval, and respect the time, effort, and self-education child-rearing requires. We all want to be good at what we love, and we all want an excellent outcome.

There are excesses and extremes, of course, but most parents just love our kids.

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"...the public is fascinated with stories of celebrity parents.."
Posted by: xvictor on Jun 29, 2009 9:59 AM   
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Yeah, like, WHY?? Don't they have a life of their own? Dwelling on total stranger's private lives is an irrational obsession in itself.

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Wrong, Wrong and just plain Wrong
Posted by: stellabloo on Jun 29, 2009 9:59 AM   
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The idea of the perfect bundle of joy, wrapped in white and lovingly laid in a lace-covered bassinet in a spotless nursery, nutured and protected exclusively by the stay-at-home mom ....

... is a victorian pipe dream, invented entirely by sexually-repressed and male-dominated victorian society. The working mother IS the historical norm. In the traditional extended family, daycare was built in, that's all. And in the rest of the world, the babies still sleep with their mothers, no matter how many times Parenting Today tells us this is THE worst thing any parent can do.

The "ideal" mother - as depicted in a lovely but saccherine Edwardian watercolour we inherited - differs in the present day only in having a glamorous career on the sideburner. She possibly has her roots in the nobility of old - back to the roots of the word "wet nurse" and the concept that noble-born women were too important or too delicate to nurse their own children. In the gentrified victorian ideal, the life of all women was supposed to revolve around home and husband - but the nanny became a domestic staple of "better" homes.

I really don't watch tv but happened to catch 10 minutes of "Real Desperate Housewives of NYC" (whatever) and this mom was telling me it costs $1 000 000 to raise a child "properly" in NYC - to me, this symbolizes pretty much everything wrong with this article and the world in general - no, we don't care too much about children. We don't care ENOUGH about children, period. We only care about OUR children, because they are OURS. Being parents, even with all our good intentions, has generally not turned us into better people. This is a big FAIL, people.

TWENTY-FIVE THOUSAND CHILDREN DIE EVERY DAY. Mostly from preventable causes. Meanwhile, here in the "first world", we fret about letting little Johnny CYO (cry it out) or whether Suzie is properly dressed for her debut. Whether we should be reading parenting magazines or whether we are becoming obsessed with our children.

No, the "ideal" mother has been around to haunt women for at least 150 years. No, we are not reading too much about parenting - parenting, good or bad, influences the entire life of another human being - we are reading too many crappy articles on parenting. The Magical Child gives a whole new meaning to "next" generation. And no, no, no, we are not too obsessed with children. We are too obsessed with our own material well-being and comfort.

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» Not my kids? Not my problem. Posted by: Eddie Van Helsing
My daughter's driving me nuts
Posted by: willymack on Jun 29, 2009 10:01 AM   
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She treats her five-year old son as if he's on a higher plane than us mere mortals.
She feeds him crap because "he won't eat anything else". I asked her if she remembered how I solved that problem with her, and of course, she didn't.
The kid is a one man wrecking crew, and breaks everything he gets his hands on. He'd probably break a cannonball if given enough time. Needless to say, he has to be watched like a hawk, and if I bring him up short for some misbehavior, my daughter has a fit.
I don't claim to be a model parent. On the other hand, all my children are successful and well-to-do adults, so I must've done SOMETHING right.
I've told my daughter that if she doesn't use a little heavier hand now, her godlike son will be an incourigible lout by the time he's sixteen years old. Her husband seems to agree with me, so maybe there's hope.
It'll be interesting to see what happens in the next eleven years, if I don't go nuts first.

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» 'heavier hand' Posted by: Ayla87
Kids or Opoids?
Posted by: Jaffe on Jun 29, 2009 10:18 AM   
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How about fewer kids, but easier access to opoids?

That translates to fantasy-kids--with a hangover.

Ain't that the way it oughta be?

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No Longer Quivering ‹(ô¿ô)›
Posted by: deni_haven on Jun 29, 2009 10:37 AM   
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Talk about parents being obsessed with their kids ~ ever heard of the Quiverfull movement?

"Lo children are an heritage from the Lord ..."

I lived that lifestyle wholeheartedly ~ until my oldest daughter attempted suicide because of the abuse she suffered under such a system ~ that was the wake-up call I needed to get out and save my six younger children from suicide watch on the psych ward.

No Longer Quivering ~ for the full story

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Even W.C. Fields liked children
Posted by: Gabba_Gabba_Hey on Jun 29, 2009 11:21 AM   
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"I enjoy children, if they are properly cooked."

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» No,no,no,no,no!!! Posted by: zigy
» RE: No,no,no,no,no!!! Posted by: MyLeftFoot
Wisdom
Posted by: archivistIII on Jun 29, 2009 11:27 AM   
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My wife and I accidently got pregnant six years ago. It made me quickly realize that all the crap I thought I cared about when I was a kid (Pre-parent) was absolutly meaningless.

I also quickly realized that people who have never had to shoulder the responsibility of parenting dont know shit about anything. I now listen to the opinions of young people about things and I just smile knowing that they don't know shit and all their little theories about life are a complete joke.

I also realized how (responsible) parents do not respect anyone who does not have children themselves. It is an instant bond between parents of different families who know they have a shared experience and responsibility to themselves, their children and society. Again, I'm talking about reponsible good people, not the ones who are messed up materialistic narcicistic sociopaths with no hope of self-education or discipline.

In other words, if your are not a responsible active involved parent then save yourself the embarassment and keep your mouth shut.

Propagation is one of the main purposes of your exsistance.

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yeah
Posted by: xmvince on Jun 29, 2009 11:37 AM   
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yeah I'm definitely not having kids anytime soon (i'm 20).

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» RE: yeah Posted by: mr. joshua
Kids are the latest status symbol
Posted by: Sympa on Jun 29, 2009 11:59 AM   
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Why? Oh, well, that's complicated. But look anywhere people feel they're in the "upper crust", and you'll find the worst parenting and the most spoiled kids. In other words, if the parents can let their kids run amok whilst others have to cater to them, the feel their power over the working class.

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It's Very Simple .. It Stems From Female Self Loathing
Posted by: rastaman on Jun 29, 2009 12:52 PM   
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after engaging in stupidity, consumerism and narcissism for most of their young lives, the princesses of this country find themselves with an empty head and empty soul.


most of them aren't satiated because they are so lacking in judgement that they are trapped in a loveless marriage perpetuate by their own ignorance. their need for meaning is then projected onto whatever spawn they can produce to desperately seek some kind of purpose for their lives.


the result of these empty shell idiots is smothered children who grow up resenting their overbearing mothers and feeling guilty about it when they rebel.


thus perpetuating the next generation of arm candies and the circle of destruction continues.

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COMPETITIVE PARENTING
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jun 29, 2009 1:08 PM   
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I read about it recently. Parents competing for the child's approval. They seem to be doing what they think is right. The pressure on them from the media and other sources is unbelievable. Everything has to be 'good ' for the children. Everything is a group activity, even sitting on the sofa. Children sleep with their parents. They no longer cherish time alone with each other. There is no more intimacy. Not everything is a 'family activity'. As far as I can see this inclusion of children in everything has had an impact on married sex. Gotta draw a line. I think marriage is suffering because of it. It presents a very unreal world to the children. It's not all about them. ANNA

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This author
Posted by: Robba29 on Jun 29, 2009 1:15 PM   
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is a complete idiot. Yes, parenting has changed, no shit sherlock. Yes, it has been "rationalized" via the same mid-1800's BS that gave us psychology, sociology, modern economics, etc, and really took fruit during the Victorian era. But, like she says, the means in which we are exposed to child rearing and our preparedness for such a responsibility (which it is, and I don't see how you can get around that) is through some kind of community. These magazines, while normalizing things that may be excessive, also give good advice, otherwise they'd be long out of business. They also give a sense of community to first time parents who are trying to figure things out--sometimes without support. You worry, fear, for your children, and that's normal. If you didn't then you don't deserve to have your kids. You love, nurture, cherish your kids, or don't breed. Fucking retard author.

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» are you even a parent? Posted by: Robba29
» RE: This author Posted by: tangus
Children are often "narcissism-by-proxy" for the parents.
Posted by: pelican beak on Jun 29, 2009 1:18 PM   
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Another Inane Article
Posted by: LMS on Jun 29, 2009 1:19 PM   
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Last time you ran an article by Ms. Richmond it seems that due to the outrage expresed in the comments you had to pull it before I could get my chance to lambast her narrow-minded arrogance. It's time to stop giving this woman a platform like Alternet and relegate her to her own like-minded blog circle.

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Paid to play Little League
Posted by: badmonkey on Jun 29, 2009 1:51 PM   
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I am so pleased to know I am not the only one out there who is sick of the celebrity and suburban mother obsession with their children. My sisters dote on their kids to the point I cannot have a rational discussion with them. It seems that once conception takes place their brains retire and them become PARENTS. I raised my daughter but was not obsessed with her. She is now a responsible, educated, kind hearted adult and I am very proud of her. I see this generation happening around here that is spoiled, rude, materialistic and narcessistic but their parents think they are god-like. I was recently at a little league game in our area and they paid these little princes to play. $2.00 if they caught a pop fly or caught anything while playing catcher. Not sure what the pay out for home runs were. Ugh - it was disgusting. Patents - get a life outside your children. Have some interests that do not include breast feeding, diapers, pre-school, IVF and little league.

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» RE: Paid to play Little League Posted by: badmonkey
With 7 billion people on the planet
Posted by: politicky on Jun 29, 2009 1:56 PM   
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and US citizens being 6% of the world population, yet using 25% of the world's resources and providing 45% of the world's pollution, is us breeding really that important?

One more thing, the US military is the biggest polluting organization on the planet.

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Freakonomics
Posted by: gGreen on Jun 29, 2009 2:15 PM   
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Freakonomics is a pretty good book that uses hard data instead of platitudes and beliefs to find out what does not work.

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Live conciously . . . and with a conscience
Posted by: Uncle John on Jun 29, 2009 2:57 PM   
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CONTRACEPTION is the "gift from god" if anything is.

At 7 billion-ish, the "miracle" of life has been done to death. (Professional punster on a closed course. Do not attempt.)

Consider: of all the species on this planet, of all the times in history, only one has come up with a way to have sex without reproduction.

Do as you will. Have kids. Have none. Adoption's a very good option. I personally don't care.

I might add, though that at a planet-wide 7 billion-ish, the odds of anyone's genes being all that interesting or important to the species are slim. YOU may think your kids are special, but you might be genetically programmed to do that.

With 20,000 dying of starvation daily, don't try to pass off procreating as a "selfless" act. You need a better rationalization than that. A simple "I just wanted to" is good enough for me.

Personally, I don't buy that procreation is the prime directive. I think it is to live conciously . . . and with a conscience.

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A bad parent can't pay for what a child needs to be employable today a Ph.D
Posted by: RR#1 on Jun 29, 2009 4:37 PM   
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So all the guilt is laid at the feet of the parents when society should be taking care of most of these needs without a question. Now do you get it?
Cheers,
RR

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People who don't already have kids...
Posted by: PaulD on Jun 29, 2009 7:50 PM   
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...please say so, so we have an educated guess about how inexperienced and naive your comments are.

And when you do have kids, we'll be happy to accept your admission that today you were completely, vapidly clueless.

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» An inconvenient question Posted by: PaulD
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» Generalize much? Posted by: Quist
Kids are much less expensive now
Posted by: PaulD on Jun 29, 2009 8:03 PM   
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If our children never have and never will count, that pretty much puts to rest the argument that we need billions for new programs to save the planet for them, doesn't it?

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Folks, I'd like to introduce...
Posted by: PaulD on Jun 29, 2009 9:46 PM   
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...two of the more frequent commenters here. They appear above.

One of them has no children, and the other has so far evaded a direct answer.

Parents, if they have commented on your posts, you are encouraged to take this into account in evaluating their points of view.

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Being a Parent Is the Most Wonderful Experience You Can Have (Most of the Time)
Posted by: bessie on Jun 29, 2009 10:40 PM   
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Who wrote this article? A parent? Most of what is stated, from what I've seen and known, is the exact opposite. Having children is the time not to think about yourself especially when you rate like 2 hours of sleep per night for a couple of years! But the chance not to think about yourself is a tremendous relief - the idea that you aren't the center of the universe and some little being is depending on you to take care of their needs etc., is the real wake up call. That's being a parent for starters. In society today, a far more serious problem are the parents who can't cope with the idea of being 'obsessed' - the parents who can't or won't deal with the pressures of taking care of their children. It's a huge, overwhelming task that requires a parent -male and female - to demonstrate all they have in terms of love, patience, intelligence, and compassion. The benefits? It's the most wonderful experience anyone can have in terms of knowing unconditional love and joy. A better subject for this author might be ... why are people obsessed with their mates? their pets? their Jobs? their hobbies? This is what we do - we concentrate on what we have.

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Some obsessive parents are actual showing their true colors right here on this forum.
Posted by: Quist on Jun 30, 2009 1:27 AM   
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Just examine their responses. Notice how they make their experiences about parenting and/or their children themselves as the greatest, most noble, most selfless, most informed, most knowledgable, most God-like, and/or most wonderful things on Earth.

These certain posters have demonstrated what the author was talking about. The sad thing is that the obsessive parents (not the reasonable parents) cannot even see the irony.

Here are few examples from this forum...

"People who don't already have kids please say so, so we have an educated guess about how inexperienced and naive your comments are."

"It's the most wonderful experience anyone can have in terms of knowing unconditional love and joy"

"I mean, my kids are the most important thing in my life, and I want only the best for them."

"Children are a gift to us from God."

"The vast majority of people have no idea what Babies really are, until they have one of their own."

"I also quickly realized that people who have never had to shoulder the responsibility of parenting dont know shit about anything. I now listen to the opinions of young people about things and I just smile knowing that they don't know shit and all their little theories about life are a complete joke."

"We are obsessed with our kids because we want to be. My wife and I had children with the full expectation of being obsessed with them. The fact that our two boys were great looking, very intelligent kids and are now handsome men (both mining engineers) made it extremely easy to get obsessed and stay obsessed. We did everything we could to make it easier for them, including moving to the "right" neighbourhood, accessing the "right" schools, cultivating the "right" friends etc."


I think these quotes demonstrate my point fairly clearly.

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» Straw man, indeed Posted by: PaulD
» Good job. Posted by: PaulD
Parenting Hah!
Posted by: messedup on Jun 30, 2009 6:05 AM   
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Because they are already obsessed with themselves. I won't even marry one of these entitlement queens, I get to listen to my neighbors, brothers, friends, wives and kids and it's more than enough for me.

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competition
Posted by: sureshot45 on Jun 30, 2009 6:27 AM   
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people are competitive by nature. and as parents, it only gets worse. especially moms in the early years. there seems to be an unspoken (or sometimes shouted out loud) competition between stay at home moms vs. working moms. of course. when i talk to my stay at home mom friends..its the 'right, best, most wonderful' thing to be doing...until they go back to work. then working and putting the child in daycare is the best option and most beneficial to the child. i have a friend whose 6 month old has already competed in several baby beauty pageants. its sick. taking babies for professional portraits is also sick. moms have nothing else going on...no more 'whose shoes are the cutest and whose husband is the hottest'..so it turns into who loves their kids the most and how can i show it?

it really is american culture that is this obsessed. my husband is from central america, and still has young brothers. while their mother takes great care of them, stays at home, cooks cleans etc..she is not obsessive. or gushing. have kids..take care of them. thats it. stop bothering the rest of the world with silly stories and turning your kids into monsters who believe the world revolves around them.

also competition between the way a women gives birth. natural, c section, with meds. its not a personal choice anymore but one to be talked about and ridiculed and judged by friends and family. that is just the beginning.

my kids are awesome, cute, and fun. they are also the biggest pain in my ass i have ever experienced. and guess what? no one cares.

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Obviously the author isn't a parent.
Posted by: MamaPantz on Jun 30, 2009 10:07 AM   
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And I'm sure plenty of the commentors aren't either. What a stupid article!!! How vicious and jealous can you be?

Wow, I guess we should just let them roam the streets and let them learn the hard way about survival. Heaven forbid we give a DAMN about them or how they turn out!!

Yeah, being an attentive and thoughtful parent means we're OBSESSED? It sounds like you are all a bunch of angry teens that like to make fun of families cuz they're so not cool, like you!

I can't even believe this is a real article.

And please don't bother attacking me, cuz I'm not gonna come back and check. I make a comment and move on. You know why? I have 2 kids that I spend time taking care of. How obsessive of me, I know!

Ya'll need to grow up!

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Having kids is WAY overrated
Posted by: beancounter on Jun 30, 2009 7:22 PM   
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I'm a parent ~ I'll state it up front lest that concept be the basis of replies. I'll also state that the following is my opinion based on my personal experiences and not based on any scientific source that I can cite.

I believe that I'm a good parent, but I also believe that it is not the be-all, end-all of my life. My theory is that I've done a good job with my son ~ yes, one is plenty ~ if he hits the ground running when I kick his ass out the door, it's a WIN. He is not the "most important thing in my life", my family is. Yes, that means him, but it also means my husband, myself, and our marriage as well as the extended family of relatives (by blood or by choice). I must(!) put at least as much effort into my marriage as I do raising my son. Of course being a parent involves sacrifices, delayed gratification, dissapointment, and the like, but also absolute joy, amazement, and pride. He continually blows me away to see the individual he is. However, I do not think my life would be any less fulfilled had I chosen not to have children, mainly because being a parent is not a source of fulfillment for me, it's simply one part of who I am, which is much more than a progenitor. I am sick and tired of other parents ~ including dear friends ~ wax fantastical about how wonderful it is to be a parent. Yeah whatever...more than anything it's a pain in the ass and it's a damn good thing that the act of rearing young is an instinct for [most of] us or there'd be a hell of a lot more abandoned kids out there. The process and being successful at it is another thing completely and there will always be debate on what is right. But I will hold to my dying day that making them the center of your universe is not it.

My apologies on this becoming a bit of a rant, it was not my intention.

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"old-fashioned" parenting was wrong
Posted by: vlsci on Jun 30, 2009 7:23 PM   
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No, parenting was abusive, throughout the last few hundred years, and the current developments are extremely progressive; it was neglectful, cruel, abusive, and wildly irresponsible to have older siblings 'raise' their younger siblings, stunting the childhood and life of each. Furthermore, it was abusive to the planet, contributing to massive overpopulation, while one child per family has the power to heal the earth and heal people.

Children should be the parent's first priority, and criminal acts such as corporal punishment, circumcision, and all forms of neglect and emotional abuse, and punitive, life-crushing actions must be made illegal. People DO have to unlearn the abusive practices inflicted upon them by their own families and school life, DO have to learn new ways and attitudes beyond the ones of previous generations and centuries; doing so has, in fact, made this the least violent, most safe and gentle period in human history.

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wisdom...
Posted by: vlsci on Jun 30, 2009 7:32 PM   
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"Children throughout history have arguably been more vital, more gentle, more joyous, more trustful, more curious, more courageous and more innovative than adults. Yet adults throughout history have routinely called little children "beasts," "sinful," "greedy," "arrogant," "lumps of flesh," "vile," "polluted," "enemies," "vipers" and "infant fiends." Although it is extraordinarily difficult to believe, parents until relatively recently have been so frightened of and have so hated their newborn infants that they have killed them by the billions, routinely sent them out to extremely neglectful wet-nurses, tied them up tightly in swaddling bandages lest they be overpowered by them, starved, mutilated, raped, neglected and beat them so badly that prior to modern times I have not been able to find evidence of a single parent who would not today be put in jail for child abuse." - Lloyd Demause

"The evolution of culture is ultimately determined by the amount of love, understanding and freedom experienced by its children. Every abandonment, every betrayal, every hateful act towards children returns tenfold a few decades later upon the historical stage, while every empathic act that helps a child become what he or she wants to become, every expression of love toward children heals society and moves it in unexpected, wondrous new directions." -Lloyd Demause

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Place your bets
Posted by: PaulD on Jun 30, 2009 10:29 PM   
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Thanks to the internet, it ought to be possible to find the results of surveys asking people whether they were happier before or after having children.

From those results, we could predict rather precisely what proportion of people will find greater happiness as parents.

I haven't looked yet, but what do you think those surveys might show?

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» RE: Place your bets Posted by: Uncle John
What is really unnatural is everything else in modern life
Posted by: Glorypromo on Jul 1, 2009 5:25 AM   
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It is the most human thing we do, Normal life is what is really bizarre
ME

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Unless there is something psychologically wrong,
Posted by: freelyb on Jul 1, 2009 11:14 AM   
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it is in our nature to take care of our young. Some of you people are way out of touch with your creaturehood. You've convinced us that, no, you should not be parents. It's for the best.

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What's love got to do with it?
Posted by: jadedhope on Jul 1, 2009 5:30 PM   
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I'll tell you why parents are obsessed with their kids. Its because they love them. Something the author knows nothing about.

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» RE: What's love got to do with it? Posted by: TheNamelessCity
And now....
Posted by: PaulD on Jul 1, 2009 10:43 PM   
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Folks, a public proclamation deserves a public correction.

Earlier above, I said that one of my opposites in this discussion had yet to give a direct answer to a direct question. Well, after plenty of cajoling, he has now kinda, sorta implied that you could infer that, yes, for the sake of argument, he might…have….children.

Well. The Clarity Express is certainly rolling now.

Anyway, UJ, meet Q. As you know, Q has no children, a forthright admission for which he deserves applause. He also challenges the idea that one learns from experience.

So, UJ, I’ve been wanting to ask this. Whose opinions on raising children do you think should carry more weight? Yours? Or his?

Folks, on a side note, I know that some in the crowd are wagering that, instead of a direct answer, we’ll hear, a) complaints about the question, or b) complaints about the premise, or c) a complaints about sarcasm, logic, the spelling of “potato”, whatever; or else d) e) and f) another question. Please put all distractions behind you now and devote your attention to the stage.

Music up and out. UJ, the microphone is yours.

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» RE: And now.... Posted by: Uncle John
» Welcome, Quist Posted by: PaulD
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Take a breath
Posted by: cantankerousape on Jul 2, 2009 5:57 PM   
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Wow. The vitriol being spewed in this fourm is frightening.

I'm the first to argue that not everybody needs to have kids, and that some people overprotect their kids, and that we as a culture pamper and spoil our kids a lot because we spend so much time working and consuming.

That said, the tone of this forum is so over-the-top I am for the first time in years of reading Alternet embarassed to be associated with this community.

"If your kids are the center of your life you should get a life" !?!?! Since when is caring for another human being a bd thing? Some of the coolest, most interesting people I know are parents. They have more fun and do more interesting things than most people my age because they have kids.

Don't blame parents for having children - blame our culture for commoditizing parenting. And blame yourselves for letting this argument become a ridiculous caricature.

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The article isn't as unbalanced as the title, byline and most of the comments!
Posted by: jparsons on Jul 3, 2009 12:22 PM   
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Good parents are centered on their children because
otherwise, why bother?

Today, most of us have few
children, so if we lose one to the traffic, it matters.

We have few children, so we don't have a chain of
young aunties, uncles, cousins, siblings, and neighbor
kids to raise our tinies when we send them out to play
in the 'hood. So we send or take them to group care, where
they learn to socialise as they can't in an isolated
house (or a busy road full of cars). That's where all the kids are.

Most of us developed our careers and selfishness
before our childcare skills, so we have to work hard
to do the "natural" thing.

Adult life (minus kids) is just as skewed now compared
to previous history as the role of parenthood is
labelled here. Adults are strangely obsessed with
themselves. If, when you have kids, you can't
adjust for some serious kid time, you and your kids are the ones
with the problem.

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sex
Posted by: sex on Jul 4, 2009 1:56 AM   
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Progress Depends on Understanding Human Functionality
Posted by: indyfan2000 on Jul 4, 2009 4:54 PM   
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I agree with several of the points made in this article however, anyone who thinks the world is better place because of child negelct is delusional. The whole idea of an advanced society is to be able to devote more time to what matters. That doesn't mean screwing your children up with excessive attention - it does mean paying attention and understanding human fucntionality. Please the last thing we need is to encourgage more artcifical attention to kids needs while ignoring the real needs in the name of "they don't need anything'.

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» Well said and I agree. Posted by: Quist
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