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Piecing Together the Murder of Dr. George Tiller: Right-Wing Violence Rears Its Head
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Dr. George Tiller, one of the few OB-GYNs in the country who performed late-term abortions despite ongoing threats to his safety, was fatally shot yesterday while attending a church service in Wichita, Kan. Scott Roeder, 51, has been detained for questioning.
Roeder -- a registered Republican previously arrested for having bomb materials in his car -- posted this chilling message on an Operation Rescue Web site called Charge Tiller in 2007 (via the Daily Kos):
It seems as though what is happening in Kansas could be compared to the "lawlessness" which is spoken of in the Bible. Tiller is the concentration camp "Mengele" of our day and needs to be stopped before he and those who protect him bring judgement upon our nation.
Tiller had long faced the threat of right-wing violence. The Tiller Women’s Health Clinic clinic was bombed in 1985; in 1993, Tiller was shot in both arms by abortion protester Rachelle Shannon. The heavily fortified clinic was guarded by a private security team, and Tiller relied on a bodyguard outside of work.
Recently, Tiller had aired concerns about his safety to federal investigators. The Associated Press reports:
[Tiller's Attorney Dan] Monnat said Tiller had asked federal prosecutors to step up investigations of vandalism and other threats against the clinic out of fear that the incidents were increasing and that Tiller's safety was in jeopardy. [Wichita Deputy Police Chief Tom] Stolz, however, said police knew of no threats connected to the shooting.
In early May, Tiller had asked the FBI to investigate vandalism at his clinic, including cut wires to surveillance cameras and damage to the roof that sent rainwater pouring into the building.
Tiller had also long been the target of vicious attacks by conservative pundits like Bill O'Reilly, who often denounced Tiller on his show. Brad Reed writes on Brad Blog following Tiller's acquittal in March on charges that he had broken a Kansas abortion law:
O'Reilly continued his series of programs focusing on the Kansas physician, charging him with "operating a death mill" (video here), and alleging that he was "executing babies" (video here).
O'Reilly had previously been highly critical of the state's Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, charging, during his "Talking Points" commentary in 2007, that she was "allowing [Tiller] to continue the slaughter."
Writing for Salon, Gabriel Winant argues that O'Reilly's vicious slander of Tiller may well have served as a provocation for the shooting. Although O'Reilly certainly did not instruct his listeners to commit violence:
... there's no other person who bears as much responsibility for the characterization of Tiller as a savage on the loose, killing babies willy-nilly thanks to the collusion of would-be sophisticated cultural elites, a bought-and-paid-for governor and scofflaw secular journalists. Tiller's name first appeared on The Factor on Feb. 25, 2005. Since then, O'Reilly and his guest hosts have brought up the doctor on 28 more episodes, including as recently as April 27 of this year. Almost invariably, Tiller is described as "Tiller the Baby Killer."
Tiller, O'Reilly likes to say, "destroys fetuses for just about any reason right up until the birth date for $5,000." He's guilty of "Nazi stuff," said O'Reilly on June 8, 2005; a moral equivalent to NAMBLA and al-Qaida, he suggested on March 15, 2006. "This is the kind of stuff happened in Mao's China, Hitler's Germany, Stalin's Soviet Union," said O'Reilly on Nov. 9, 2006.
O'Reilly has also frequently linked Tiller to his longtime obsession, child molestation and rape. Because a young teenager who received an abortion from Tiller could, by definition, have been a victim of statutory rape, O'Reilly frequently suggested that the clinic was covering up for child rapists (rather than teenage boyfriends) by refusing to release records on the abortions performed.
When Kansas Attorney General Phill Kline, an O'Reilly favorite who faced harsh criticism for seeking Tiller's records, was facing electoral defeat by challenger Paul Morrison, O'Reilly said, "Now we don't endorse candidates here, but obviously, that would be a colossal mistake. Society must afford some protection for viable babies and children who are raped." (Morrison ultimately unseated Kline.)
This is where O'Reilly's campaign against George Tiller becomes dangerous. While he never advocated anything violent or illegal, the Fox bully repeatedly portrayed the doctor as a murderer on the loose, allowed to do whatever he wanted by corrupt and decadent authorities. "Also, it looks like Dr. Tiller, who some call Tiller the Baby Killer, is spending a large amount of money in order to get Mr. Morrison elected. That opens up all kinds of questions," said O'Reilly on Nov. 6, 2006, in one of many suggestions that Tiller was improperly influencing the election.
Despite ongoing threats of violence and constant right-wing media attacks, Tiller continued running Tiller’s Women’s Health Care Service, one of just three facilities in the country providing access to abortion after the 21st week of pregnancy.
According to a statement issued by Planned Parenthood, Tiller bravely performed an invaluable service:
He provided critical reproductive health care services, including abortion services to women facing some of the most difficult medical circumstances. He was continually harassed by abortion opponents for much of his career -- his clinic was burned down, he was shot by a health center protester, and he was recently targeted for investigation, only to be acquitted by a jury just a few months ago. None of this stopped George Tiller from his commitment to providing women and their families with compassionate care that others were unwilling to offer.
Tiller's slaying has also brought forth personal testimonials from the women he helped, not just in his role as abortion provider but as an OB-GYN. A diarist writes on the Daily Kos:
In 1980, I was pregnant with my first child. I had no insurance and couldn't afford a doctor's appointment until I was approved for a medical card. ... Mom told Dr. Tiller, and he brought me into his office where he examined me, free of charge. I can credit him with the very first picture taken of my son.
The last story I have to share is about my friends who could not have children. Dr. Tiller’s office worked with several attorneys in the Wichita area to provide adoption services for his patients who wanted this option. My friends have a 10-year-old boy now, who is loved and adored.
Nancy Keenan, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America aired her concerns about the chilling effect Tiller’s killing would have on women’s health providers throughout the country:
Dr. Tiller's murder will send a chill down the spines of the brave and courageous providers and other professionals who are part of reproductive-health centers that serve women across this country. We want them to know that they have our support as they move forward in providing these essential services in the aftermath of the shocking news from Wichita.
President Barack Obama also issued a statement denouncing the slaying: "I am shocked and outraged by the murder of Dr. George Tiller as he attended church services this morning. However profound our differences as Americans over difficult issues such as abortion, they cannot be resolved by heinous acts of violence."
Some anti-choice groups were quick to distance themselves from Tiller’s killing, while reiterating their opposition to Tiller's work. The president of Operation Rescue, the group best known for organizing sometimes-violent protests outside abortion clinics in the 1980s, said the following, according to the New York Times:
"Our prayers go out to his family and the thousands of people this will impact," [Troy] Newman said in a telephone interview from his home in Wichita.
"Operation Rescue has worked tirelessly on peaceful, nonviolent measures to bring him to justice through the legal system, the legislative system," Mr. Newman said. "I'm a tireless advocate and spokesman for the pre-born children who are dying in clinics every day. Mr. Tiller was an abortionist. But this wasn’t personal. We are pro life, and this act was antithetical to what we believe."
But statements by other extremist abortion opponents went so far as to blame Tiller for his own killing, including one by Randall Terry, the founder of Operation Rescue. Randall stated:
George Tiller was a mass murderer. We grieve for him that he did not have time to properly prepare his soul to face God. I am more concerned that the Obama administration will use Tiller's killing to intimidate pro-lifers into surrendering our most effective rhetoric and actions. Abortion is still murder. And we still must call abortion by its proper name; murder.
Those men and women who slaughter the unborn are murderers according to the law of God. We must continue to expose them in our communities and peacefully protest them at their offices and homes, and yes, even their churches.
Meanwhile, Father Frank Pavone, the national director of Priests for Life, issued a statement questioning the link between Tiller’s slaying and abortion opponents:
I am saddened to hear of the killing of George Tiller this morning. At this point, we do not know the motives of this act, or who is behind it, whether an angry post-abortive man or woman, or a misguided activist, or an enemy within the abortion industry, or a political enemy frustrated with the way Tiller has escaped prosecution ...
Tiller leaves behind a wife, four children and 10 grandchildren. In a statement issued several hours after the shooting, Tiller’s family said:
Our loss is also a loss for the City of Wichita and women across America. George dedicated his life to providing women with high-quality heath care despite frequent threats and violence. We ask that he be remembered as a good husband, father and grandfather and a dedicated servant on behalf of the rights of women everywhere.
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Posted by: drsivana99 on Jun 1, 2009 2:01 AM
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Anyway, his knowledge of history is breathtaking in its non-existence. Actually, in Hitler's Germany abortion was highly illegal-- a capital crime, I think. If you were an Aryan, of course, whatever the hell that word actually means, if anything. Maybe O'Reilly is one of those. That's how come he is so superior to everyone else in the whole entire world that he can give "news" "broadcasts" without bothering to find out what the hell he's talking about. Such omniscience is stunning, and a trait he shares with a certain former head (job) of state who never bothered to read or study anything, and whom I doubt ever figured out how to wipe his own ass.
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Posted by: SwampFox-82nd on Jun 1, 2009 2:26 AM
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Ain't "Freedom from Truth" swell?
Airborne All The Way... SwampFox-82nd, I was trained to shoot back -- and them???
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Posted by: RICHARD RALPH ROEHL on Jun 1, 2009 3:46 AM
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These radio wackos are the same KKKristian folks who recently claimed that bee-ewe-tee-fool "Zionist war planes had to kill the evil Palestinian children in Gaza" to maintain world peace.
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Posted by: jmmartin on Jun 1, 2009 4:00 AM
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The web site has a "Tiller Watch." The very name, "operation," suggests militancy and crypto-terrorist intentions and beliefs. They've made Dr. Tiller the embodiment of all their hatred for freedom of choice. Whereas Bill O'Really is just a goofball entertainer with a penchat for childish temper tantrums, Randall Terry is a murderous hate monger who exhorts his followers to take the law into their own hands, casting abortionists as holocaustic madmen who exterminate innocent children. Lay the blame where it is due.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Jun 1, 2009 4:40 AM
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O'Reilly Knows he is playing with fire since these type of murderous terrorist attacks have happened in the past- Ignorance can not be claimed as a Defense.
Spending 4 yrs accusing and verbally assualting a person, who is ultimately murdered constitutes an intention to incite violence.BillO is Culpable in 1st Degree Murder.Was this man attempting to appease and please BillO?
as for these so Called 'Faithfuls' they have no Faith in God, nor respect God's Will. Pray Tell Holely Rollers-Why does the Almighty require your assistance to punishing a 'sinner'? Why do you feel compelled to supercede His decisions- Isn't it true if God was angered by this MD's actions He could easily kill him Himself? Then Damn him to Hellfor Eternity as a 'sinner'. Perhaps God was not angered. Or perhaps God was using him as a test for others who might be compelled to 'sin'or for some other purpose. How is it YOU are suddenly the Decider of Fate and Judgement, when to take a life Because YOU have judge it 'sinful'? Hasn't this murderer of Tiller, not only committed the Same Deadly Sin- but worse, by usurping and seizing the Powers of God?
This murderer took a life not only Granted by birth (since God performs his own Abortions- miscarriages and still births), but also health and even possibly Divine intervention (spared after previous attacks).
You do not know Gods Grand Design, understand the reasons for HIS Decisions over Life & Death. Perhaps this MD would have been the slayer of the AntiChrist before he was able to exit the Womb to Ultimatley Deceive and Enslave Mankind,Destroy God's Green Earth!
Oh yea of Little Faith- or Reverence or Respect! And what Entity is legendary for such Arrogance,and interloping? "Could It Be Satan?"
Are the murderous anti abortionist sure it is not them 'who knows not what they do'?
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Posted by: xvictor on Jun 1, 2009 5:18 AM
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Posted by: Anthhh on Jun 1, 2009 5:20 AM
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-They sit in front of their tv's wearing American flags around their shoulders
-Fertile ground for the implanting of murderous capability, ie. They don't know too much, but deeeeep inside they know one thing: ..that they have no life. That they will never have a life
- They think they would like to make some kind of stand before they croak...even if the only stand available is in the form of hate
-They will settle for that. It serves a dual purpose ..
..#1 Of concentrating all the bad energy (guilt from awareness of being loser)that they have building up inside towards a 'useful' purpose..
..#2 they are happy when their leaders like ORiley help and support them feel bigger than their target by feeding their capacity for hate and YES .>EVEN ACTUAL VIOLENCE
Even actual violence.
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Posted by: Cory.Goodman on Jun 1, 2009 5:31 AM
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Divorce? you know how women are...
Him cheating? She probably couldn't satisfy him
Spousal abuse? she provoked him
Abortion? THE DOCTOR DID IT!!
How desperate they are to absolve women from the choice they make to willfully walk into the clinic. It's not like the doctor was on infomercials or street corners convincing women to get pregnant and have abortions.
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Posted by: dragonlady620 on Jun 1, 2009 5:41 AM
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The are NOT pro-life-they HATE life.
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Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on Jun 1, 2009 5:43 AM
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"[Wichita Deputy Police Chief Tom] Stolz, however, said police knew of no threats connected to the shooting."
They're crazy kansans, including this type.
Did this guy and his gangsters want to NOT "find" any threats??
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Jun 1, 2009 6:24 AM
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And...Mr O'Reilly...you bear DIRECT responsibility for what happened!
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Posted by: Ms. DuFontagne on Jun 1, 2009 6:45 AM
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This will have the forced-motherhood crowd's desired effect on future would-be abortion service providers. Sometimes I wonder if the Christian Taliban will succeed after all.
Meanwhile, get active! Our side, of course, does not like to take up arms and start shooting down our enemies in their churches, but here's something we can do. Give as generously as you can afford to organizations like Planned Parenthood. And here's another good one:
National Network of Abortion Funds - see nnaf.org.
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Posted by: dragonlady620 on Jun 1, 2009 7:09 AM
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Posted by: sausage on Jun 1, 2009 7:17 AM
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To my way of thinking that attitude is hypocritical as well as stupid. Abortion, after all, in this country and most other "enlightened," industrialized societies (China perhaps being the exception,) is elective surgery. I know of no instance of any girl or woman in this country being forced into having an abortion against her will.
However many liberals also take an equally hypocrisy and stupid position in regard to children which, I think, fuels the rage of the reactionary right.
Let's us consider the case of 13-year-old Hodgkin's lymphoma patient Daniel Hauser and his mother Colleen. I guess the poor little bastard couldn't take anymore puking and hair loss from his chemotherapy so it was off to Mexico for some herbal enemas while U.S. authorities spend a bazillion bucks trying to drag the little s.o.b. and his goofy mom back to Minnesota.
I discussed this case with my attorney buddy the other day. My position being that the authorities of the Minnesota county where the apparently fundamentalist Christian Hausers farmstead really should not have wasted taxpayer dollars fetching young Mr. Hauser and his mother home. If Maw and Paw Hauser wanted to withhold modern medical treatment from young Daniel and he subsequently died, so what?
My lawyer buddy, who is a stereotypical "bleeding-heart" liberal, took exception to this, saying that it is in the interest of the state to protect the life of the child and preserve the family.
Ah! that's the conundrum!
Think about this like a reactionary pinhead, not like a weepy, bleeding heart liberal:If, on the one hand, the state has the duty to protect and preserve the life of the "born" child then it should follow, as least in the logic of reaction, that the state has the duty to protect and preserve the life of the "unborn" child. Therefore, abortion should be illegal.
It's flawed logic and the concept of the "unborn," "life" beginning at the moment of conception, does not have any foundation in the fundamentalists' holy book of fable, fantasy and fear. Yet what I think particularly sticks in fundy craws is their perception that the modern "bleeding heart" state has taken away their right to follow Proverbs 23:13,"Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.and 23:14,Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell."
So I say, back off, bleeding hearts! If fundy Christians want beat their kids, shun vaccination and give their kids laetrile and coffee enemas to treat cancer, let them.
Then, as the graveyards fill with fundy progeny, women who want legal abortions and the doctors who provide them might be left in peace.
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Posted by: Crazy H on Jun 1, 2009 7:24 AM
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So - wingnuts, if you have the right to decide who lives and who dies, then we do too.
Therefore, even if a fetus *is* a human being, then we have a right to decide whether it lives or dies, don't we?
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Posted by: godsbreath64 on Jun 1, 2009 8:16 AM
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What an ugly, shameful, achievement.
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Posted by: LTBROWN on Jun 1, 2009 8:46 AM
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Off topic: NO MAN IS GOING TO LEGISLATE MY BODY! LADIES I GUESS IT WON'T BE BRAS WE BURN THIS REVOLUTION. LOL
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Posted by: bklyn on Jun 1, 2009 9:46 AM
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Also, women are not forced into having abortions; it's a matter of choice. So why is the doctor, who performs a medical service at the request of the woman choosing to end her pregnancy, responsible?
As far as Bill O'Reilly is concerned ... he is a hate monger who feeds off the fanaticism of other hate mongers; he is a coward who hides behind a microphone because without it, he is powerless!
Everything he says is designed to get the adrenaline pumping and boost his ratings. It's all for show. It's just a shame that some are being fueled by his fire and take it a step further than words.
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Posted by: KeplerView on Jun 1, 2009 9:48 AM
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There are few Doctors who will kill a baby after the first trimester, because they understand that these children can and do feel pain, and just look at premature babies who can and do survive and are the same number of weeks old, as the ones Dr. Tiller was killing.
It is too bad the Justice system did not work to put this murderer behind bars. I have read that people were offended that someone would kill him in a house of peace, but he should never have been in Church, as he obviously was against everything that Christ stood for. He shall know how wrong he was for eternity now. A killer is no longer allowed to do his work. I know many people disagree with this, but that is the way of the world. He killed for profit and has reaped his reward of death and damnation. I know I sound harsh, but I have had to make life choices and have to live with them as well. My girlfriend was raped and we aborted that child, and had to abort one other child, because of our life circumstances at the time, and we have to live with those two deaths forvever, so it is not that I am right to lifer, nor a Christian, but I can see when there is evil in the world and Tiller was evil, just as I am, and we'll still be judged, whether we believe or not, on our actions throughout our lives.
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Posted by: zepher on Jun 1, 2009 9:57 AM
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Fact is, progressive talk show hosts are being threatened with death by the automatons produced by hate talk. Today, right now. Sometimes it isn't ok to have free speech available to all when it can harm someone, i.e. kill someone. We are faced with somehow stopping cultism and hypnotic preying on the easiest emotions to enflame - hate and rage. And keeping within the Constitution. Lots of work to be done.
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Posted by: Juven on Jun 1, 2009 12:22 PM
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We are at last equal here in the land of the free--all capable of being called terroists and of all having words and ideas censored in order to prevent those who would use the justification of those words and ideas as an excuse to commit murder.
Watch out--once they censor due to the actions of people like this guy, it is only a matter of time before everyone is censored for any possible future action and since Obama approves of prolonged detention (new name for what Bush had set up) for anyone even thought of as being a potential future "criminal", it appears as though Winston Smith will still have a job erasing the past and all the ideas associated with it.
BTW these "Christians" who approve of killing doctors (!) are the reason I have nothing to do with that "faith", but I would still beware of censoring anyone--it cannot lead to anything better, that is for sure.
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Posted by: nobyjingo on Jun 1, 2009 12:49 PM
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Dr. Tiller was doing dangerous work killing children just before they were born for money and suffered collateral damage from his dangerous work. I am sure his family and friends will miss him, but his benefit to society was nil.
O'Reiley is conservative pond scum, but IMHO, this Dr. Tiller was pond scum as well, acting like a follower of Jesus.
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OReilly
Limbaugh
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Savage
Beck
Good hunting
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Posted by: Ayla87 on Jun 1, 2009 1:45 PM
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And what's the reason many of these women cite for LT abortions? Oh, right, they didn't know they were pregnant
Excuse me if I don't shed a tear.
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Posted by: jaylindberg@hotmail.com on Jun 1, 2009 2:19 PM
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IF you are not willing to fight dirty and go for the throat, they will continue to slit yours. The only way to deal with these types of people is to kill them. If you don't have the stomach for it, stay out of the fight.
A little quote from my book. The more I learn about the government, the more I appreciate the French Revolution. That is what it will take to clean up this puppet show we call government.
(If we don't clean it up, this species will probably die in a radioactive waste cloud this government created.)
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Author of Drug War Economics
Send me an email address and I will send you a copy of it as a PDF file for free.
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Posted by: Anthhh on Jun 1, 2009 2:45 PM
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MY RABBIT HAD BABIES AND ATE THEM
So I found out that they do this for several reasons
- first of all rabbits can't avoid mating because they are natural, healthy, animals..just like PEOPLE ARE.
-When a rabbit who cant for whatever reason (..immaturity, insecurity, incompetence..to name a few), gives birth, she eats them alive.
BUT WHY EAT THEM? Not for nutrition, but for the instinct to hide it. hide it from self and others. Do away with it all. it's just stuff. stuff no other bunnies wants to, or should have to, deal with. weather it's their business or not.
Anti-choice fanatics are SELFISH and just dont want to SEE any one's freaking abortions.
The inconsistency that they are pro-war and against everything else that lives..tells us that this is true.
-They dont want to know this thing exists in the world they live in.
-They dont want it in their face.
-They would like it if dimwitted pregnant girls ran away in the woods ..and hid all the stuff
.......like the rabbit ..!
phenomena solved
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Posted by: mikeblack on Jun 1, 2009 4:14 PM
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But they weren't the ones stalking Dr. Tiller, it was Randal Terry and his thugs.
I know having a famous right wing pundit's name in the headline gets more clicks than if the story was "Operation Rescue Rears Its Ugly Head", which would leave most people going "What, is that some kind of pet rescue organization?" But tossing out big-names you don't happen to like to increased web traffic, who had absolutely no link in this is high irresponsible journalism. Let's make those who stalk, harass and threaten abortion providers daily the focus of our energy.
Instead of trying to tie television and radio hosts to this, let's press our government to enforce the 1993 law that gives better security to abortion providers and limits access of anti-abortion activists to their clinics and homes. It is a law that went practically ignored over the years, spend your energy trying to press your congress-person to focus on it.
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pro abortion? C'mon, be honest. If she was pro choice, you probably
would not be here.
I am against murder of all kind. Even abortionists. God does work in mysterious ways though, doesn't He?
When an abortionist gets murdered, he does not get a chance to repent and tell Our Lord how sorry he/she were. janet
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Posted by: weslen1 on Jun 1, 2009 5:56 PM
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If the MEN can't get any woman PREGNANT they will NOT have to worry about what she does with her BODY other than being an incubator for some GUYS progeny.
I'm really SICK of all these "men" who scream "no abortion" but abandon the baby soon as it's born or denies it's his at all. So let's put the burdon where it belongs. NO PREGNANCY NO ABORTION! Bet those "Pro-Life/Nuke em all for JESUS freaks will change their mind some kind of FAST.
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Posted by: The Cynical Skeptic on Jun 1, 2009 6:03 PM
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1 Life begins at the moment of conception,and
2 Overwhelmingly, conceptions occur in the Fallopian tube, and
3 Often (who knows with what frequency) the fertilized ovum (zygote) fails to implant itself into the uterine wall, and
4. Is thus "flushed out" in the subsequent menstrual cycle to be absorbed into/onto a tampon or sanitary pad, then
5. The high priests, self appointed shamans and other assorted (sordid) fanatic misanthropes should be preaching to their ovine flocks and bovine herds that every used tampon and used sanitary pad of the sexually active of child bearing age,MUST HAVE A PROPER BURIAL IN HALLOWED GROUND - JUST IN CASE THERE'S A LIFE BABY PRESENT. Anything less than this is indicative of the paucity of their rationality and the nimiety of their absurdity.
If they are not prepared to do this I'd suggest they STFU!
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But make no mistake. These neanderthals want to impose total ban on reproductive rights and right to privacy.
If you look at the legal history of Roe v. Wade, it goes back to the issue of using contraception and beyond.
These assholes can't be appeased or reasoned with; they operate under the god delusion.
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Posted by: Aposterioriperception on Jun 1, 2009 7:37 PM
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In a more enlightened society, we would give these lunatics a choice, stay on your pyschotropic medications OR we lobotomize the entire area of your brain that's causing you to act upon the voices you think are commanding you to kill in direct violation of your own decalogue.
Of course, we could never actually force people to be rational in a free society, the ACLU would be forced to defend the rights of these lunatics to be crazy and follow the assassination orders they hear being repeated over & over again by like-minded sociopaths.
Religion has always given people carte blanche to be certifiably crazy and continue to live freely among us, since anti-abortion, anti-freedom types continue to have the full support of "keep the rich rich and the poor ignorant" corporate friendly government, it will be in someone else's lifetime before religion is ever reined in and regulated like any addictive drug usually is, making religion illegal only makes idiots desire it more, let people with their limited abilities to decide which drug they want to place inside their head or bloodstream, the government should regulate these drugs, (yes, religion is a drug, look what it makes some people do to abortion doctors, to each other and to their women/children) and religionista's have the gall to claim that society has no morals, WTF!!
Decalogue hypocrisy notwithstanding, since their god is consistently proven to be powerless to prevent harm or restrict "free will" to only the wise, when will those who claim to be doing "god's work" stop pretending to "play god" tell their god (whichever one out of 15,000+ he/she/it might be) to stop goldbricking and start doing the job these crazy humans claim they're doing on it's behalf?
I'm tired of all these god posers doing their pet deity's "dirty work", and if the religionista's insist on forcing the decalogue into state/federal and other government buildings/memorials, stop playing the "do as I say" crap and follow your own decalogue, if it's mandatory for us to be violated by your pet rules, how come religionista's haven't a clue as to how to actually apply the decalogue to their own inimical hypocrite saturated sociopath infested "lifestyles"?????
Methinks the weeds in their own yard has taken over the entire planet and the religionista's are still complaining about their neighbor's daughter having to many freedoms, like abortion.
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Posted by: mom'z the word on Jun 2, 2009 11:55 AM
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The First Amendment DOES give us the right to speak our mind. However, that does not mean that there are not consequences to those actions. Speaking is an action. And there is always a reaction to every action.
Use words to tell a lie or defame and that is slander. Use print to tell a lie or defame and that is libel. Free speech does not prevent anyone from telling a lie. Free speech says you can tell all the lies you want however there are consequences for lying and you will pay.
Yelling fire in a crowded room when, in fact there is no fire, is not a free speech issue, it is an intent to cause harm and injury. That is a crime. The words are spoken with the clear intent to cause harm and damage to anyone that hears it. It is a call to action. The speaker is the actor and is responsible for the results of the words spoken.
It is not a crime to yell Fire in a crowded room, if in fact, there is a fire. Again, this is not a free speech thing. This is an intent thing. Yelling fire when there is a fire is telling the truth with the intent of saving lives.
Now ask yourself who is telling the truth? What is the intent? And what was the result?
There are a lot of sick people out there. Murdering someone because you don't believe in murder does not make any sense at all. Using sick unstable people to carry out your own wishes and desires by inciting and playing on their fears and desire to do the right thing is the same as a general ordering his troops to shoot and kill. The general's order is the same as if he himself pulled the trigger on every single round that was fired on his orders.
Again, we are looking at intent. If the general's order was to save the village from murder and mayhem then thank goodness his troops followed the order to shoot. Now the general is a hero. You know the other side of the story.
You can talk all you want, that is why we have the First amendment. However, the First amendment never never gives you the right to do a wrong thing. Lying, slander, libel, intent to incite harm, is wrong. And there are laws to protect the innocent from wrongdoers.
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Posted by: BurrDeming on Jun 2, 2009 7:13 PM
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Dr. Tiller was killed by idealism. He encountered the most dangerous creature on earth: the man who knows that God is on his side.
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Posted by: Bibsisis on Jun 2, 2009 8:28 PM
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What does he say now, about the killer of Tiller? Does he have a new slogan? No, he says he is not responsible for what others do just because he made these broadcasts from Fox (faux noise). This is not FREE speech. This is costly speech.
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There should be laws requiring all of us who allow such stupidity to wear a dunce cap in public so as to warn people of the stupidity of each stupid sourse of nonsese. So when people say things that are objectively and logically, demonstratively stupid, they should be charged and tried and convicted by a jury of their peer for inciting people to stupidity by telling them things like thsat the 2nd Amendment guarantees the right to have and use personal weapons rather than just military weapons in the line of duty in the "well-regulated militia," or that "a fetus is a person" whose civil rights are protected by our Bill og Rights which specifies that it applies only to people born or naturalized!There is a whole additional cadre of stupid right wing claims for which they should be charged and convicted of stupidy and sentenced to wear dunce hats! Until we sal stop letting them get away with spouting stupidity, we are just as guilty as they are!
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Anyway, his knowledge of history is breathtaking in its non-existence. Actually, in Hitler's Germany abortion was highly illegal-- a capital crime, I think. If you were an Aryan, of course, whatever the hell that word actually means, if anything. Maybe O'Reilly is one of those. That's how come he is so superior to everyone else in the whole entire world that he can give "news" "broadcasts" without bothering to find out what the hell he's talking about. Such omniscience is stunning, and a trait he shares with a certain former head (job) of state who never bothered to read or study anything, and whom I doubt ever figured out how to wipe his own ass.
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Posted by: SwampFox-82nd on Jun 1, 2009 2:26 AM
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Ain't "Freedom from Truth" swell?
Airborne All The Way... SwampFox-82nd, I was trained to shoot back -- and them???
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Posted by: RICHARD RALPH ROEHL on Jun 1, 2009 3:46 AM
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These radio wackos are the same KKKristian folks who recently claimed that bee-ewe-tee-fool "Zionist war planes had to kill the evil Palestinian children in Gaza" to maintain world peace.
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The web site has a "Tiller Watch." The very name, "operation," suggests militancy and crypto-terrorist intentions and beliefs. They've made Dr. Tiller the embodiment of all their hatred for freedom of choice. Whereas Bill O'Really is just a goofball entertainer with a penchat for childish temper tantrums, Randall Terry is a murderous hate monger who exhorts his followers to take the law into their own hands, casting abortionists as holocaustic madmen who exterminate innocent children. Lay the blame where it is due.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Jun 1, 2009 4:40 AM
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O'Reilly Knows he is playing with fire since these type of murderous terrorist attacks have happened in the past- Ignorance can not be claimed as a Defense.
Spending 4 yrs accusing and verbally assualting a person, who is ultimately murdered constitutes an intention to incite violence.BillO is Culpable in 1st Degree Murder.Was this man attempting to appease and please BillO?
as for these so Called 'Faithfuls' they have no Faith in God, nor respect God's Will. Pray Tell Holely Rollers-Why does the Almighty require your assistance to punishing a 'sinner'? Why do you feel compelled to supercede His decisions- Isn't it true if God was angered by this MD's actions He could easily kill him Himself? Then Damn him to Hellfor Eternity as a 'sinner'. Perhaps God was not angered. Or perhaps God was using him as a test for others who might be compelled to 'sin'or for some other purpose. How is it YOU are suddenly the Decider of Fate and Judgement, when to take a life Because YOU have judge it 'sinful'? Hasn't this murderer of Tiller, not only committed the Same Deadly Sin- but worse, by usurping and seizing the Powers of God?
This murderer took a life not only Granted by birth (since God performs his own Abortions- miscarriages and still births), but also health and even possibly Divine intervention (spared after previous attacks).
You do not know Gods Grand Design, understand the reasons for HIS Decisions over Life & Death. Perhaps this MD would have been the slayer of the AntiChrist before he was able to exit the Womb to Ultimatley Deceive and Enslave Mankind,Destroy God's Green Earth!
Oh yea of Little Faith- or Reverence or Respect! And what Entity is legendary for such Arrogance,and interloping? "Could It Be Satan?"
Are the murderous anti abortionist sure it is not them 'who knows not what they do'?
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-They sit in front of their tv's wearing American flags around their shoulders
-Fertile ground for the implanting of murderous capability, ie. They don't know too much, but deeeeep inside they know one thing: ..that they have no life. That they will never have a life
- They think they would like to make some kind of stand before they croak...even if the only stand available is in the form of hate
-They will settle for that. It serves a dual purpose ..
..#1 Of concentrating all the bad energy (guilt from awareness of being loser)that they have building up inside towards a 'useful' purpose..
..#2 they are happy when their leaders like ORiley help and support them feel bigger than their target by feeding their capacity for hate and YES .>EVEN ACTUAL VIOLENCE
Even actual violence.
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Posted by: Cory.Goodman on Jun 1, 2009 5:31 AM
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Divorce? you know how women are...
Him cheating? She probably couldn't satisfy him
Spousal abuse? she provoked him
Abortion? THE DOCTOR DID IT!!
How desperate they are to absolve women from the choice they make to willfully walk into the clinic. It's not like the doctor was on infomercials or street corners convincing women to get pregnant and have abortions.
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The are NOT pro-life-they HATE life.
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Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on Jun 1, 2009 5:43 AM
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"[Wichita Deputy Police Chief Tom] Stolz, however, said police knew of no threats connected to the shooting."
They're crazy kansans, including this type.
Did this guy and his gangsters want to NOT "find" any threats??
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And...Mr O'Reilly...you bear DIRECT responsibility for what happened!
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This will have the forced-motherhood crowd's desired effect on future would-be abortion service providers. Sometimes I wonder if the Christian Taliban will succeed after all.
Meanwhile, get active! Our side, of course, does not like to take up arms and start shooting down our enemies in their churches, but here's something we can do. Give as generously as you can afford to organizations like Planned Parenthood. And here's another good one:
National Network of Abortion Funds - see nnaf.org.
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To my way of thinking that attitude is hypocritical as well as stupid. Abortion, after all, in this country and most other "enlightened," industrialized societies (China perhaps being the exception,) is elective surgery. I know of no instance of any girl or woman in this country being forced into having an abortion against her will.
However many liberals also take an equally hypocrisy and stupid position in regard to children which, I think, fuels the rage of the reactionary right.
Let's us consider the case of 13-year-old Hodgkin's lymphoma patient Daniel Hauser and his mother Colleen. I guess the poor little bastard couldn't take anymore puking and hair loss from his chemotherapy so it was off to Mexico for some herbal enemas while U.S. authorities spend a bazillion bucks trying to drag the little s.o.b. and his goofy mom back to Minnesota.
I discussed this case with my attorney buddy the other day. My position being that the authorities of the Minnesota county where the apparently fundamentalist Christian Hausers farmstead really should not have wasted taxpayer dollars fetching young Mr. Hauser and his mother home. If Maw and Paw Hauser wanted to withhold modern medical treatment from young Daniel and he subsequently died, so what?
My lawyer buddy, who is a stereotypical "bleeding-heart" liberal, took exception to this, saying that it is in the interest of the state to protect the life of the child and preserve the family.
Ah! that's the conundrum!
Think about this like a reactionary pinhead, not like a weepy, bleeding heart liberal:If, on the one hand, the state has the duty to protect and preserve the life of the "born" child then it should follow, as least in the logic of reaction, that the state has the duty to protect and preserve the life of the "unborn" child. Therefore, abortion should be illegal.
It's flawed logic and the concept of the "unborn," "life" beginning at the moment of conception, does not have any foundation in the fundamentalists' holy book of fable, fantasy and fear. Yet what I think particularly sticks in fundy craws is their perception that the modern "bleeding heart" state has taken away their right to follow Proverbs 23:13,"Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.and 23:14,Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell."
So I say, back off, bleeding hearts! If fundy Christians want beat their kids, shun vaccination and give their kids laetrile and coffee enemas to treat cancer, let them.
Then, as the graveyards fill with fundy progeny, women who want legal abortions and the doctors who provide them might be left in peace.
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So - wingnuts, if you have the right to decide who lives and who dies, then we do too.
Therefore, even if a fetus *is* a human being, then we have a right to decide whether it lives or dies, don't we?
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What an ugly, shameful, achievement.
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Posted by: LTBROWN on Jun 1, 2009 8:46 AM
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Off topic: NO MAN IS GOING TO LEGISLATE MY BODY! LADIES I GUESS IT WON'T BE BRAS WE BURN THIS REVOLUTION. LOL
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Also, women are not forced into having abortions; it's a matter of choice. So why is the doctor, who performs a medical service at the request of the woman choosing to end her pregnancy, responsible?
As far as Bill O'Reilly is concerned ... he is a hate monger who feeds off the fanaticism of other hate mongers; he is a coward who hides behind a microphone because without it, he is powerless!
Everything he says is designed to get the adrenaline pumping and boost his ratings. It's all for show. It's just a shame that some are being fueled by his fire and take it a step further than words.
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Posted by: KeplerView on Jun 1, 2009 9:48 AM
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There are few Doctors who will kill a baby after the first trimester, because they understand that these children can and do feel pain, and just look at premature babies who can and do survive and are the same number of weeks old, as the ones Dr. Tiller was killing.
It is too bad the Justice system did not work to put this murderer behind bars. I have read that people were offended that someone would kill him in a house of peace, but he should never have been in Church, as he obviously was against everything that Christ stood for. He shall know how wrong he was for eternity now. A killer is no longer allowed to do his work. I know many people disagree with this, but that is the way of the world. He killed for profit and has reaped his reward of death and damnation. I know I sound harsh, but I have had to make life choices and have to live with them as well. My girlfriend was raped and we aborted that child, and had to abort one other child, because of our life circumstances at the time, and we have to live with those two deaths forvever, so it is not that I am right to lifer, nor a Christian, but I can see when there is evil in the world and Tiller was evil, just as I am, and we'll still be judged, whether we believe or not, on our actions throughout our lives.
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Posted by: zepher on Jun 1, 2009 9:57 AM
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Fact is, progressive talk show hosts are being threatened with death by the automatons produced by hate talk. Today, right now. Sometimes it isn't ok to have free speech available to all when it can harm someone, i.e. kill someone. We are faced with somehow stopping cultism and hypnotic preying on the easiest emotions to enflame - hate and rage. And keeping within the Constitution. Lots of work to be done.
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We are at last equal here in the land of the free--all capable of being called terroists and of all having words and ideas censored in order to prevent those who would use the justification of those words and ideas as an excuse to commit murder.
Watch out--once they censor due to the actions of people like this guy, it is only a matter of time before everyone is censored for any possible future action and since Obama approves of prolonged detention (new name for what Bush had set up) for anyone even thought of as being a potential future "criminal", it appears as though Winston Smith will still have a job erasing the past and all the ideas associated with it.
BTW these "Christians" who approve of killing doctors (!) are the reason I have nothing to do with that "faith", but I would still beware of censoring anyone--it cannot lead to anything better, that is for sure.
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Posted by: nobyjingo on Jun 1, 2009 12:49 PM
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Dr. Tiller was doing dangerous work killing children just before they were born for money and suffered collateral damage from his dangerous work. I am sure his family and friends will miss him, but his benefit to society was nil.
O'Reiley is conservative pond scum, but IMHO, this Dr. Tiller was pond scum as well, acting like a follower of Jesus.
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OReilly
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Beck
Good hunting
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And what's the reason many of these women cite for LT abortions? Oh, right, they didn't know they were pregnant
Excuse me if I don't shed a tear.
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Posted by: jaylindberg@hotmail.com on Jun 1, 2009 2:19 PM
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IF you are not willing to fight dirty and go for the throat, they will continue to slit yours. The only way to deal with these types of people is to kill them. If you don't have the stomach for it, stay out of the fight.
A little quote from my book. The more I learn about the government, the more I appreciate the French Revolution. That is what it will take to clean up this puppet show we call government.
(If we don't clean it up, this species will probably die in a radioactive waste cloud this government created.)
Jay Lindberg
Author of Drug War Economics
Send me an email address and I will send you a copy of it as a PDF file for free.
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Posted by: Anthhh on Jun 1, 2009 2:45 PM
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MY RABBIT HAD BABIES AND ATE THEM
So I found out that they do this for several reasons
- first of all rabbits can't avoid mating because they are natural, healthy, animals..just like PEOPLE ARE.
-When a rabbit who cant for whatever reason (..immaturity, insecurity, incompetence..to name a few), gives birth, she eats them alive.
BUT WHY EAT THEM? Not for nutrition, but for the instinct to hide it. hide it from self and others. Do away with it all. it's just stuff. stuff no other bunnies wants to, or should have to, deal with. weather it's their business or not.
Anti-choice fanatics are SELFISH and just dont want to SEE any one's freaking abortions.
The inconsistency that they are pro-war and against everything else that lives..tells us that this is true.
-They dont want to know this thing exists in the world they live in.
-They dont want it in their face.
-They would like it if dimwitted pregnant girls ran away in the woods ..and hid all the stuff
.......like the rabbit ..!
phenomena solved
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But they weren't the ones stalking Dr. Tiller, it was Randal Terry and his thugs.
I know having a famous right wing pundit's name in the headline gets more clicks than if the story was "Operation Rescue Rears Its Ugly Head", which would leave most people going "What, is that some kind of pet rescue organization?" But tossing out big-names you don't happen to like to increased web traffic, who had absolutely no link in this is high irresponsible journalism. Let's make those who stalk, harass and threaten abortion providers daily the focus of our energy.
Instead of trying to tie television and radio hosts to this, let's press our government to enforce the 1993 law that gives better security to abortion providers and limits access of anti-abortion activists to their clinics and homes. It is a law that went practically ignored over the years, spend your energy trying to press your congress-person to focus on it.
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pro abortion? C'mon, be honest. If she was pro choice, you probably
would not be here.
I am against murder of all kind. Even abortionists. God does work in mysterious ways though, doesn't He?
When an abortionist gets murdered, he does not get a chance to repent and tell Our Lord how sorry he/she were. janet
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Posted by: weslen1 on Jun 1, 2009 5:56 PM
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If the MEN can't get any woman PREGNANT they will NOT have to worry about what she does with her BODY other than being an incubator for some GUYS progeny.
I'm really SICK of all these "men" who scream "no abortion" but abandon the baby soon as it's born or denies it's his at all. So let's put the burdon where it belongs. NO PREGNANCY NO ABORTION! Bet those "Pro-Life/Nuke em all for JESUS freaks will change their mind some kind of FAST.
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Posted by: The Cynical Skeptic on Jun 1, 2009 6:03 PM
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1 Life begins at the moment of conception,and
2 Overwhelmingly, conceptions occur in the Fallopian tube, and
3 Often (who knows with what frequency) the fertilized ovum (zygote) fails to implant itself into the uterine wall, and
4. Is thus "flushed out" in the subsequent menstrual cycle to be absorbed into/onto a tampon or sanitary pad, then
5. The high priests, self appointed shamans and other assorted (sordid) fanatic misanthropes should be preaching to their ovine flocks and bovine herds that every used tampon and used sanitary pad of the sexually active of child bearing age,MUST HAVE A PROPER BURIAL IN HALLOWED GROUND - JUST IN CASE THERE'S A LIFE BABY PRESENT. Anything less than this is indicative of the paucity of their rationality and the nimiety of their absurdity.
If they are not prepared to do this I'd suggest they STFU!
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» RE: In the mode of Johnathan Swift - A Modest Suggestion
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» RE: In the mode of Johnathan Swift - A Modest Suggestion
Posted by: Bibsisis
» RE: In the mode of Johnathan Swift - A Modest Suggestion
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Posted by: Jeanne on Jun 1, 2009 6:14 PM
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Posted by: MeyravLevine on Jun 1, 2009 6:32 PM
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But make no mistake. These neanderthals want to impose total ban on reproductive rights and right to privacy.
If you look at the legal history of Roe v. Wade, it goes back to the issue of using contraception and beyond.
These assholes can't be appeased or reasoned with; they operate under the god delusion.
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» RE: Today, these religious fucktards are using violence to suppress
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Posted by: Alenna on Jun 1, 2009 6:45 PM
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» RE: There nothing in the Bible against abortion anyway
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» RE: There nothing in the Bible against abortion anyway
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» RE: There nothing in the Bible against abortion anyway
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Posted by: Aposterioriperception on Jun 1, 2009 7:37 PM
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In a more enlightened society, we would give these lunatics a choice, stay on your pyschotropic medications OR we lobotomize the entire area of your brain that's causing you to act upon the voices you think are commanding you to kill in direct violation of your own decalogue.
Of course, we could never actually force people to be rational in a free society, the ACLU would be forced to defend the rights of these lunatics to be crazy and follow the assassination orders they hear being repeated over & over again by like-minded sociopaths.
Religion has always given people carte blanche to be certifiably crazy and continue to live freely among us, since anti-abortion, anti-freedom types continue to have the full support of "keep the rich rich and the poor ignorant" corporate friendly government, it will be in someone else's lifetime before religion is ever reined in and regulated like any addictive drug usually is, making religion illegal only makes idiots desire it more, let people with their limited abilities to decide which drug they want to place inside their head or bloodstream, the government should regulate these drugs, (yes, religion is a drug, look what it makes some people do to abortion doctors, to each other and to their women/children) and religionista's have the gall to claim that society has no morals, WTF!!
Decalogue hypocrisy notwithstanding, since their god is consistently proven to be powerless to prevent harm or restrict "free will" to only the wise, when will those who claim to be doing "god's work" stop pretending to "play god" tell their god (whichever one out of 15,000+ he/she/it might be) to stop goldbricking and start doing the job these crazy humans claim they're doing on it's behalf?
I'm tired of all these god posers doing their pet deity's "dirty work", and if the religionista's insist on forcing the decalogue into state/federal and other government buildings/memorials, stop playing the "do as I say" crap and follow your own decalogue, if it's mandatory for us to be violated by your pet rules, how come religionista's haven't a clue as to how to actually apply the decalogue to their own inimical hypocrite saturated sociopath infested "lifestyles"?????
Methinks the weeds in their own yard has taken over the entire planet and the religionista's are still complaining about their neighbor's daughter having to many freedoms, like abortion.
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» RE: How can a non-viable parasite survive outside the female womb?
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» RE: How can a non-viable parasite survive outside the female womb?
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Posted by: mom'z the word on Jun 2, 2009 11:55 AM
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The First Amendment DOES give us the right to speak our mind. However, that does not mean that there are not consequences to those actions. Speaking is an action. And there is always a reaction to every action.
Use words to tell a lie or defame and that is slander. Use print to tell a lie or defame and that is libel. Free speech does not prevent anyone from telling a lie. Free speech says you can tell all the lies you want however there are consequences for lying and you will pay.
Yelling fire in a crowded room when, in fact there is no fire, is not a free speech issue, it is an intent to cause harm and injury. That is a crime. The words are spoken with the clear intent to cause harm and damage to anyone that hears it. It is a call to action. The speaker is the actor and is responsible for the results of the words spoken.
It is not a crime to yell Fire in a crowded room, if in fact, there is a fire. Again, this is not a free speech thing. This is an intent thing. Yelling fire when there is a fire is telling the truth with the intent of saving lives.
Now ask yourself who is telling the truth? What is the intent? And what was the result?
There are a lot of sick people out there. Murdering someone because you don't believe in murder does not make any sense at all. Using sick unstable people to carry out your own wishes and desires by inciting and playing on their fears and desire to do the right thing is the same as a general ordering his troops to shoot and kill. The general's order is the same as if he himself pulled the trigger on every single round that was fired on his orders.
Again, we are looking at intent. If the general's order was to save the village from murder and mayhem then thank goodness his troops followed the order to shoot. Now the general is a hero. You know the other side of the story.
You can talk all you want, that is why we have the First amendment. However, the First amendment never never gives you the right to do a wrong thing. Lying, slander, libel, intent to incite harm, is wrong. And there are laws to protect the innocent from wrongdoers.
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Posted by: BurrDeming on Jun 2, 2009 7:13 PM
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Dr. Tiller was killed by idealism. He encountered the most dangerous creature on earth: the man who knows that God is on his side.
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» RE: Was the murder inspired by O'Reilly?
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» RE: Was the murder inspired by O'Reilly?
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Posted by: Bibsisis on Jun 2, 2009 8:28 PM
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What does he say now, about the killer of Tiller? Does he have a new slogan? No, he says he is not responsible for what others do just because he made these broadcasts from Fox (faux noise). This is not FREE speech. This is costly speech.
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Posted by: osd on Jun 4, 2009 7:56 PM
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» RE: They just can't believe there WRONG.
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Posted by: dealemslim on Jun 7, 2009 12:38 PM
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Posted by: edromar2 on Jun 7, 2009 6:46 PM
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There should be laws requiring all of us who allow such stupidity to wear a dunce cap in public so as to warn people of the stupidity of each stupid sourse of nonsese. So when people say things that are objectively and logically, demonstratively stupid, they should be charged and tried and convicted by a jury of their peer for inciting people to stupidity by telling them things like thsat the 2nd Amendment guarantees the right to have and use personal weapons rather than just military weapons in the line of duty in the "well-regulated militia," or that "a fetus is a person" whose civil rights are protected by our Bill og Rights which specifies that it applies only to people born or naturalized!There is a whole additional cadre of stupid right wing claims for which they should be charged and convicted of stupidy and sentenced to wear dunce hats! Until we sal stop letting them get away with spouting stupidity, we are just as guilty as they are!
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