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In Search of the "Perfect" Vagina: Women Spend and (Spread) to Achieve Porn Ideal
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"It doesn’t look right," said forty-two-year-old Carla Westman*. "Like I’m uneven, like one side is larger than the other and as I’ve gotten older, I think one side is stretching. Before I could close my legs and you couldn’t see anything but now one side peeks through just a tiny bit more than the other, and that just bothers me."
To clarify, Westman, a pharmaceutical rep from Phoenix, Arizona is feeling old. More to the point, she’s blaming her vagina, or labia to be exact. And bizarre as it may sound, she is not necessarily alone.
According to the American Society of Plastic Surgeons, approximately a thousand "vaginal rejuvenations" were performed in 2006 -- the most current year for which U.S. statistics have been compiled -- up 30 percent from 2005. In the United Kingdom, the number of labiaplasties performed doubled between 2000 and 2005, reaching over eight hundred procedures per year. While these accounts may be nothing to write home about yet, the limited data available (no one database records all instances of Female Genital Cosmetic Surgery) do suggest that the procedures, and the demand for such, are growing exponentially.
"The search term labiaplasty is one of the highest searched things that lead to somebody finding me on the Internet," confirmed Dr. Scott W. Mosser, a board certified plastic surgeon based in San Francisco, who has been performing labiaplasties for the past four years. But despite the high traffic to his website, Dr. Mosser only performs about a dozen labiaplasties per year, leading him to speculate that people are less than comfortable with the procedure.
Said Dr. Mosser, "When we look at all the other procedures [that I do], the amount of individuals who search them is pretty proportionate to the actual amounts of individuals who come in for a consult. That tells me that labiaplasty may be a little bit in the dark; that women are nervous about it; or maybe it’s an area that’s perceived to be a little bit of taboo."
What is labiaplasty?
For those still unfamiliar with the procedure, labiaplasty involves the surgical reduction and "beautification" of the labia. Women typically request the procedure for a triad of reasons. These include both visual and physical complaints ranging from discomfort during exercise and vaginal intercourse, to discomfort simply from wearing clothing, in particular when the labia minora get caught between the elastic folds of underwear, to complaints like Westman’s, where women are dissatisfied with a lack of symmetry, discoloration, or the appearance of their labia in general.
Dr. Mosser admits that while there is no true dirtiness to having labia hypertrophy, there does seem to be a psychological desire amongst women to have their genitals look organized or clean. "There is a real trend towards sort of a perception of a clean look, whatever that means, that is associated with youth," said Dr. Mosser. Nonetheless, he is adamant that anything that is distracting enough to interfere with a person’s quality of life or lifestyle is something that should be addressed.
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Others, however, are not so convinced.
"Society has changed across the last little while to a context in which cosmetic surgery in general and cosmetic procedures in general have become incredibly normalized," said Dr. Virginia Braun, a psychologist from the University of Auckland specializing in women's health and sexuality, and the current co-editor of Feminism and Psychology. "But our knowledge of women’s genital anatomy is still not -- we’re not a hundred percent there yet."
Dr. Braun is one of a handful of doctors and professionals who are adamantly, and radically, opposed to labiaplasties as well as other forms of FGCS like vaginoplasties and hoodectomies. Both vaginoplasties, which involve the "rejuvenation" or tightening of the vagina, and hoodectomies, also called clitoral unhooding, are meant to enhance sexual pleasure (and neither, it bears mentioning, are performed by Dr. Mosser).
To hear Dr. Braun explain it, there is a huge lack of knowledge surrounding genital diversity for women. "Women who have nose jobs or breast enlargements have a huge pool of comparison to draw from. They’ve seen probably thousands of noses every day, and even though we maybe don’t [often] see naked breasts, we certainly know what breasts look like."
So where are women like Westman, who yearn for their vulvas of yesteryear, drawing their comparisons from? As Dr. Deborah Tolman, a professor of social welfare at Hunter College School of Social Work and author of Dilemmas of Desire: Teenage Girls Talk about Sexuality puts it, "What happened in the last three years to make women’s labias so big that they can’t walk around with them?"
If the accounts from surgeons and the media are to be believed, pornography is a major influence in what women believe is desirable. While women might not be trading notes on their vaginal proportions, they have become increasingly comfortable with mainstream pornography and that leads to one dimensional representations of what vulvas look like. Add to that the phenomenon that is the Brazilian Bikini wax, where all but the smallest trace of pubic hair is removed, and women are getting the HD version of their vulvas outside of a biology class for the first time.
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Posted by: Eat Politicians on Apr 17, 2009 1:06 AM
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Posted by: cordas on Apr 17, 2009 1:20 AM
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My 36 year old male body is a mess, its covered in scars from operations, its lumpy and lopsided due to the causes of the operations that have covered it in scars, my belly is starting to grow despite my best efforts at the gym, but I still love it cos its the only I have (although I do wish it was healthy), it constantly amazes me that my partner finds my body hot n sexy, well until I think its ME she finds hot n sexy, my body is just the packaging that I come in.
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Posted by: imaskeptic on Apr 17, 2009 2:14 AM
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Let's assume for arguments sake that men do indeed demand that women look a certain way and that it's not inherent in women, as it is in men, to compete with each other for the attention of the opposite sex... Why then, is it so bad for men to make such demands, yet perfectly ok for women to demand of men that they be more sensitive, more understanding, more compassionate, more in touch with their feelings, etc, etc, ad nauseum...
It amuses me that women seem to want their men to become less like men and more like women, whilst men only ever want women to be like women.
I'm beginning to think that most women would prefer to have relationships with other women, and relegate men to the roles of sperm donor and cash machine.
If you think some part of you is ugly, it probably is. But don't blame men for your desire to improve it. It's YOUR desire. Most men would give you one either way...
Let's remember we evolved into our "roles" over aeons and it got us to the top of the food chain. We compliment each other. We are not meant to be the same.
And if you don't agree with me, you can throw those massive labia over your shoulder and just fk off! lol
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» only asking women to be like women? huh?
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Posted by: drricklippin on Apr 17, 2009 2:20 AM
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The patients who do this are as nuts as the doctors who are participants.
Biology provides diversity of ALL body parts
Also 1000 women per yer is a very small number
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Ask yourself: What two groups of people just absolutely hate pornography?
Feminists and sexually , repressed, (supposedly) under-the-thumb-of-their-old-men, church ladies.
I mean, really now, the one of thing that both the fundamentalist religious right, of all three sick monotheistic traditions, and the ideologically pure left can agree is the corrupting influence of pornography on society in general. Utter f*cking nonsense.
Look, the woman cited as an example of all women seeking "labiaplasty," as a pharmaceutical rep--a true parasite on body politic--has the money to do to her body what she wants. I'm also quite sure that young, poor women have never heard of the procedure, and even if they did, could not afford one.
Should we not be asking if penile implants, Viagra, Enzyte and bogus penis enlargement surgeries are symptoms of our culture's need to assert control over men's bodies and sexuality also?
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Posted by: Cybershaman on Apr 17, 2009 6:25 AM
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And the reverse is also true, if you have inner beauty shining through, all the scars and warts and bald spots become irrelevant.
On the other hand, using surgery to enhance or improve ones sexual experiences is understandable if not taken to ridiculous extremes.
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Posted by: AJR Journal on Apr 17, 2009 7:04 AM
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Good luck, girls.
I hope it works for you.
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Posted by: Ayla87 on Apr 17, 2009 7:30 AM
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What kind of hippy bullshit is that!? For Christ's sake, grow a pair of ovalries and get the hell over it.
I've walked this earth for 21 years and I've never felt the 'need' of our culture to assert control over my body.
The closest I've ever felt was when I was 13. And I left that peer pressure mentality back in middle school, where it belongs.
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Posted by: jrmart on Apr 17, 2009 7:45 AM
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but-- a cock runs a close second!!
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Posted by: jstepp590 on Apr 17, 2009 7:51 AM
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Last time I checked, guys just weren't that picky. We have other things on our mind when we're looking at them. ;-P
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So long as you've got a kitty, the boys and their doggies will come running.
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they will literally FIND something wrong with themselves. they define their "SELF" through their own suffering or own low self esteem.
how pathetic and childish
that said, if they ever come up with a REAL male enhancement solution.....women are going to need reconstructive surgery like NEVER before!
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Posted by: jbitch on Apr 17, 2009 11:33 AM
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Oh, and then there's the issue of gynomasticia, 'man boobs' which apparently, although 60-70% of men have or are 'afficted'with them, is considered a 'correctable' condition. Oh, the shame of your boobies boys.
Last and not least by any means are the crossdressers whose obsession with all things female finally lead them to multiple surgeries on all parts of their bodies to look like the ideal female.
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1. Availability
2. Narrowness of channel
3. Odor free
The face and age of the owner has some importance but it is only secondary.
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About the topic, I can understand that a very small number of women would have a legitimate need to 'trim' their labia. I had one GF in college with the largest labia minora I have ever sucked on! But as long as hers were, she hasn't (we are still friends) felt a need to have them surgically altered.
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Posted by: getoverit07 on Apr 19, 2009 12:46 PM
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As a woman, I certainly do not condone mainstream pornography, the objectification or degradation of women or their bodies. However, by trying to deny women the knowledge or access to any safe, well researched, elective procedure is denying freedom of choice; (which gee, I thought all us modern, education women have been fighting for the past 5,000 years or so).
If young girls were shown their true value and worth as individuals, (which sadly most are not) we wouldn't be arguing the point of cosmetic surgery on the basis of societal standards alone. Any procedure that alters physical appearance should be based on the individual's personal needs and desires for themselves and NO ONE should influence that choice if it does no harm to themselves or their self esteem.
Sure, there are plenty of women and men who've mutilated themselves trying to fit into an unrealistic ideal or because of self loathing. However, if I or any other psychologically sound and self respecting individual want to change their appearance, everyone else should keep their own damn morals to themselves.
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Posted by: cherylsass123 on Apr 19, 2009 10:22 PM
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but if you are a biologically born female this really does not make sense, as you've already got your ' vadge' complete with labia; so why not be happy with it. if it is so big that it rubs up against your pants/jeans, why not wear a more comfortable pair of jeans rather then those moronic " skinny jeans" or those fashion jeans which fit super tight and, like those stupid pencil skirts like 30-rock's " Liz lemon" [ tina fey]wears; have their "waist" halfway up to your fucking tits! ever hear of Lee Riders, ladies????
as for the swimsuit? well they've now got both the boyleg style as well as the skirted bottom with built-in loose fitting panty; the skirted type which I wear.
as for women doing this because of men's demands, I think every guy in here I've read said it best. I like the guy whom said about the three things he cared about, the " odor" part being just a little bit crass, maybe.
women are definitely their own worst enemies! many feel the need to have the perfect vagina/labia/body because this is the horseshit that society feeds them. this mostly from all the shitty women's magazines that tell women they must buy this kind of makeup, have this " essential" article of clothing, got on this new fad diet and eat overpriced Stacy's fucking chips; as well as every fucking bimbo female movie star/pop singer like angelina jolie.
I read this in Ms. magazine as well as in the N.O.W. online magazine called " below the belt". don't believe me, just read the shit spewed forth from magazines such as www.realsimple.com; www.instyle.com ; www.womansday.com ; www.marieclaire.com ; and yes, the Queen Bimbo shit- rag of them all- WWW.COSMOPOLITAN.COM
garbage in, garbage out, as they say, I loved it when kim gandy, the national organization for women president; literally told her femininst women readers to throw out all their degrading to women's self esteem fashion magazines! read more at www.nowfoundation.org/loveyourbody/
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Posted by: jonestown kool-aid on Apr 24, 2009 11:14 AM
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From my own life experience I can easily say the best vaginas I've ever felt had some extra lip to them, esp. inner lips. It amazes me how many men & women don't even understand the difference between labia majora & labia minora... well, I guess it's not that hard to comprehend this lack of understanding since many people don't even believe women can ejaculate. Before anyone considers plastic surgery do about 2-3 years of SERIOUS research, and then reconsider. We're ALL imperfect, and what you don't like about yourself somebody else will love, no joke.
An ideal vagina is pleasing to the 5 senses, and the idea of perfection is created by peoples bullshit notion that 'perfection' actually exists- it doesn't...
I've seen thousands of vaginas in my life,and I've felt dozens,and the only thing that I've ever found 'gross' about a vagina was bad odor. This can be cured with a visit to the gyno and a metranidozol (sp?) prescription. Ladies, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE don't worry about what your vagina looks like. And NEVER use porn as a measuring stick for anything visual (lighting, camera angles and make-up NEVER reveal the true picture). Without watching porn the only way to understand the utter beauty of the vagina is through direct experience. Size, shape, and other criteria are entirely individual preference, finding the right fit takes a lot of time, finding the right fit attached to someone special takes even longer.
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This is similar. The only people I have known in my life who were that obsessed with their "naughty bits" (just being funny) were people who were unhappy in their sexual situation. When one is having great sex with a great partner, one does not tend to be concerned with such things. (On a side note, this is also true about such things as homosexuality - most people I have known with a healthy sex life could give a rat's ass what other people are doing).
It would be much cheaper and much more healthy in most situations to change an attitude or situation than to put oneself in danger and potentially waste of bunch of money. Any man who insists upon a particular vaginal design is probably neurotic and not worth our time.
I really don't care what people do with their bodies if it's on their own terms. As a woman, I deeply get the pressure we are under (and I agree, it's not from men- at least not from healthy normal men) from ADVERTISERS.
They hit men up for fancy cars. They hit us up with our faces/bodies.
Sad, though that people feel that surgery is the answer. Like a lot of plastic surgery, they think it's going to change their lives and seldom does it change much but one aspect of their physique.
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And also, he said he does about a dozen a year, and the article said 1000 a year for the entire US?
That is a tiny number, not some huge trend.
To me, that sounds like truly outside of "normal variation" women getting the help they choose, and maybe a few rich insecure women "fixing" themselves, but not some issue that can be generalised to 150 million women in US.
That is what- I think 0.00067 percent of US women getting this done?
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My 36 year old male body is a mess, its covered in scars from operations, its lumpy and lopsided due to the causes of the operations that have covered it in scars, my belly is starting to grow despite my best efforts at the gym, but I still love it cos its the only I have (although I do wish it was healthy), it constantly amazes me that my partner finds my body hot n sexy, well until I think its ME she finds hot n sexy, my body is just the packaging that I come in.
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Let's assume for arguments sake that men do indeed demand that women look a certain way and that it's not inherent in women, as it is in men, to compete with each other for the attention of the opposite sex... Why then, is it so bad for men to make such demands, yet perfectly ok for women to demand of men that they be more sensitive, more understanding, more compassionate, more in touch with their feelings, etc, etc, ad nauseum...
It amuses me that women seem to want their men to become less like men and more like women, whilst men only ever want women to be like women.
I'm beginning to think that most women would prefer to have relationships with other women, and relegate men to the roles of sperm donor and cash machine.
If you think some part of you is ugly, it probably is. But don't blame men for your desire to improve it. It's YOUR desire. Most men would give you one either way...
Let's remember we evolved into our "roles" over aeons and it got us to the top of the food chain. We compliment each other. We are not meant to be the same.
And if you don't agree with me, you can throw those massive labia over your shoulder and just fk off! lol
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The patients who do this are as nuts as the doctors who are participants.
Biology provides diversity of ALL body parts
Also 1000 women per yer is a very small number
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Ask yourself: What two groups of people just absolutely hate pornography?
Feminists and sexually , repressed, (supposedly) under-the-thumb-of-their-old-men, church ladies.
I mean, really now, the one of thing that both the fundamentalist religious right, of all three sick monotheistic traditions, and the ideologically pure left can agree is the corrupting influence of pornography on society in general. Utter f*cking nonsense.
Look, the woman cited as an example of all women seeking "labiaplasty," as a pharmaceutical rep--a true parasite on body politic--has the money to do to her body what she wants. I'm also quite sure that young, poor women have never heard of the procedure, and even if they did, could not afford one.
Should we not be asking if penile implants, Viagra, Enzyte and bogus penis enlargement surgeries are symptoms of our culture's need to assert control over men's bodies and sexuality also?
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And the reverse is also true, if you have inner beauty shining through, all the scars and warts and bald spots become irrelevant.
On the other hand, using surgery to enhance or improve ones sexual experiences is understandable if not taken to ridiculous extremes.
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Good luck, girls.
I hope it works for you.
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What kind of hippy bullshit is that!? For Christ's sake, grow a pair of ovalries and get the hell over it.
I've walked this earth for 21 years and I've never felt the 'need' of our culture to assert control over my body.
The closest I've ever felt was when I was 13. And I left that peer pressure mentality back in middle school, where it belongs.
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but-- a cock runs a close second!!
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Last time I checked, guys just weren't that picky. We have other things on our mind when we're looking at them. ;-P
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So long as you've got a kitty, the boys and their doggies will come running.
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they will literally FIND something wrong with themselves. they define their "SELF" through their own suffering or own low self esteem.
how pathetic and childish
that said, if they ever come up with a REAL male enhancement solution.....women are going to need reconstructive surgery like NEVER before!
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Oh, and then there's the issue of gynomasticia, 'man boobs' which apparently, although 60-70% of men have or are 'afficted'with them, is considered a 'correctable' condition. Oh, the shame of your boobies boys.
Last and not least by any means are the crossdressers whose obsession with all things female finally lead them to multiple surgeries on all parts of their bodies to look like the ideal female.
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1. Availability
2. Narrowness of channel
3. Odor free
The face and age of the owner has some importance but it is only secondary.
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About the topic, I can understand that a very small number of women would have a legitimate need to 'trim' their labia. I had one GF in college with the largest labia minora I have ever sucked on! But as long as hers were, she hasn't (we are still friends) felt a need to have them surgically altered.
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As a woman, I certainly do not condone mainstream pornography, the objectification or degradation of women or their bodies. However, by trying to deny women the knowledge or access to any safe, well researched, elective procedure is denying freedom of choice; (which gee, I thought all us modern, education women have been fighting for the past 5,000 years or so).
If young girls were shown their true value and worth as individuals, (which sadly most are not) we wouldn't be arguing the point of cosmetic surgery on the basis of societal standards alone. Any procedure that alters physical appearance should be based on the individual's personal needs and desires for themselves and NO ONE should influence that choice if it does no harm to themselves or their self esteem.
Sure, there are plenty of women and men who've mutilated themselves trying to fit into an unrealistic ideal or because of self loathing. However, if I or any other psychologically sound and self respecting individual want to change their appearance, everyone else should keep their own damn morals to themselves.
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Posted by: cherylsass123 on Apr 19, 2009 10:22 PM
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but if you are a biologically born female this really does not make sense, as you've already got your ' vadge' complete with labia; so why not be happy with it. if it is so big that it rubs up against your pants/jeans, why not wear a more comfortable pair of jeans rather then those moronic " skinny jeans" or those fashion jeans which fit super tight and, like those stupid pencil skirts like 30-rock's " Liz lemon" [ tina fey]wears; have their "waist" halfway up to your fucking tits! ever hear of Lee Riders, ladies????
as for the swimsuit? well they've now got both the boyleg style as well as the skirted bottom with built-in loose fitting panty; the skirted type which I wear.
as for women doing this because of men's demands, I think every guy in here I've read said it best. I like the guy whom said about the three things he cared about, the " odor" part being just a little bit crass, maybe.
women are definitely their own worst enemies! many feel the need to have the perfect vagina/labia/body because this is the horseshit that society feeds them. this mostly from all the shitty women's magazines that tell women they must buy this kind of makeup, have this " essential" article of clothing, got on this new fad diet and eat overpriced Stacy's fucking chips; as well as every fucking bimbo female movie star/pop singer like angelina jolie.
I read this in Ms. magazine as well as in the N.O.W. online magazine called " below the belt". don't believe me, just read the shit spewed forth from magazines such as www.realsimple.com; www.instyle.com ; www.womansday.com ; www.marieclaire.com ; and yes, the Queen Bimbo shit- rag of them all- WWW.COSMOPOLITAN.COM
garbage in, garbage out, as they say, I loved it when kim gandy, the national organization for women president; literally told her femininst women readers to throw out all their degrading to women's self esteem fashion magazines! read more at www.nowfoundation.org/loveyourbody/
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From my own life experience I can easily say the best vaginas I've ever felt had some extra lip to them, esp. inner lips. It amazes me how many men & women don't even understand the difference between labia majora & labia minora... well, I guess it's not that hard to comprehend this lack of understanding since many people don't even believe women can ejaculate. Before anyone considers plastic surgery do about 2-3 years of SERIOUS research, and then reconsider. We're ALL imperfect, and what you don't like about yourself somebody else will love, no joke.
An ideal vagina is pleasing to the 5 senses, and the idea of perfection is created by peoples bullshit notion that 'perfection' actually exists- it doesn't...
I've seen thousands of vaginas in my life,and I've felt dozens,and the only thing that I've ever found 'gross' about a vagina was bad odor. This can be cured with a visit to the gyno and a metranidozol (sp?) prescription. Ladies, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE don't worry about what your vagina looks like. And NEVER use porn as a measuring stick for anything visual (lighting, camera angles and make-up NEVER reveal the true picture). Without watching porn the only way to understand the utter beauty of the vagina is through direct experience. Size, shape, and other criteria are entirely individual preference, finding the right fit takes a lot of time, finding the right fit attached to someone special takes even longer.
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This is similar. The only people I have known in my life who were that obsessed with their "naughty bits" (just being funny) were people who were unhappy in their sexual situation. When one is having great sex with a great partner, one does not tend to be concerned with such things. (On a side note, this is also true about such things as homosexuality - most people I have known with a healthy sex life could give a rat's ass what other people are doing).
It would be much cheaper and much more healthy in most situations to change an attitude or situation than to put oneself in danger and potentially waste of bunch of money. Any man who insists upon a particular vaginal design is probably neurotic and not worth our time.
I really don't care what people do with their bodies if it's on their own terms. As a woman, I deeply get the pressure we are under (and I agree, it's not from men- at least not from healthy normal men) from ADVERTISERS.
They hit men up for fancy cars. They hit us up with our faces/bodies.
Sad, though that people feel that surgery is the answer. Like a lot of plastic surgery, they think it's going to change their lives and seldom does it change much but one aspect of their physique.
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Posted by: littlemanintheboat on Apr 27, 2009 11:42 AM
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Posted by: free2disagree on Apr 28, 2009 12:20 AM
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And also, he said he does about a dozen a year, and the article said 1000 a year for the entire US?
That is a tiny number, not some huge trend.
To me, that sounds like truly outside of "normal variation" women getting the help they choose, and maybe a few rich insecure women "fixing" themselves, but not some issue that can be generalised to 150 million women in US.
That is what- I think 0.00067 percent of US women getting this done?
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