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How Can We Stop the Epidemic of Killing Women and Children By Returning Soldiers?
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Wake up, America. The boys are coming home, and they're not the boys who went away.
On New Year's Day, the New York Times welcomed the advent of 2009 by reporting that, since returning from Iraq, nine members of the Fort Carson, Colorado, Fourth Brigade Combat team had been charged with homicide. Five of the murders they were responsible for took place in 2008 when, in addition, "charges of domestic violence, rape and sexual assault" at the base rose sharply. Some of the murder victims were chosen at random; four were fellow soldiers -- all men. Three were wives or girlfriends.
This shouldn't be a surprise. Men sent to Iraq or Afghanistan for two, three, or four tours of duty return to wives who find them "changed" and children they barely know. Tens of thousands return to inadequate, underfunded veterans' services with appalling physical injuries, crippling post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), and suck-it-up sergeants who hold to the belief that no good soldier seeks help. That, by the way, is a mighty convenient belief for the Departments of Defense and Veterans Affairs, which have been notoriously slow to offer much of that help.
Recently Republican Senator John Cornyn from Texas, a state with 15 major military bases, noted that as many as one in five U.S. veterans is expected to suffer from at least one "invisible wound" of war, if not a combination of them, "including depression, post-traumatic stress disorder and mild traumatic brain injury." Left untreated, such wounds can become very visible: witness, for example, the recent wave of suicides that have swept through the military, at least 128 in 2008, and 24 in January 2009 alone.
To judge by past wars, a lot of returning veterans will do themselves a lot of damage drinking and drugging. Many will wind up in prison for drug use or criminal offenses that might have been minor if the offenders hadn't been carrying guns they learned to rely on in the service. And a shocking number of those veterans will bring the violence of war home to their wives and children.
That's no accident. The U.S. military is a macho club, proud of its long tradition of misogyny, and not about to give it up. One decorated veteran of the first Gulf War, who credited the army with teaching him to repress his emotions, described his basic training as "long, exhausting marches" and "sound-offs [that] revolved around killing and mutilating the enemy or violent sex with women." (The two themes easily merge.) That veteran was Timothy McVeigh, the unrepentant Oklahoma City bomber, who must have known that blowing up a government office building during business hours was sure to kill a whole lot of women.
Even in the best of times, the incidence of violence against women is much higher in the military than among civilians. After war, it's naturally worse -- as with those combat team members at Fort Carson. In 2005, one of them, Pfc. Stephen Sherwood, returned from Iraq and fatally shot his wife, then himself. In September 2008, Pvt. John Needham, who received a medical discharge after a failed suicide attempt, beat his girlfriend to death. In October 2008, Spc. Robert H. Marko raped and murdered Judilianna Lawrence, a developmentally disabled teenager he met online.
These murders of wives and girlfriends -- crimes the Bureau of Justice Statistics labels "intimate homicides" -- were hardly the first. In fact, the first veterans of George Bush's wars returned to Fort Bragg, North Carolina, from Afghanistan in 2002.
On June 11, 2002, Sgt. First Class Rigoberto Nieves fatally shot his wife Teresa and then himself in their bedroom. On June 29th, Sgt. William Wright strangled his wife Jennifer and buried her body in the woods. On July 9th, Sgt. Ramon Griffin stabbed his estranged wife Marilyn 50 times or more and set her house on fire. On July 19th, Sgt. First Class Brandon Floyd of Delta Force, the antiterrorism unit of the Special Forces, shot his wife Andrea and then killed himself. At least three of the murdered wives had been seeking separation or divorce.
When a New York Times reporter asked a master sergeant in the Special Forces to comment on these events, he responded: "S.F.'s [Special Forces members] don't like to talk about emotional stuff. We are Type A people who just blow things like that off..."
The killings at Fort Bragg didn't stop there. In February 2005, Army Special Forces trainee Richard Corcoran shot and wounded his estranged wife Michele and another soldier, then killed himself. He became the tenth fatality in a lengthening list of domestic violence deaths at Fort Bragg.
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Posted by: DrBrian on Apr 6, 2009 12:52 AM
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Increased domestic violence, along with massive budget deficits, loss of civil liberties and trust in government, and increased hatred of Americans around the world are the prices we pay for our military adventurism.
Although most conservatives, especially religious ones, are delighted with these changes, many of us aren't.
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Posted by: RR#1 on Apr 6, 2009 1:36 AM
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Americans are bipolar. We want to deploy our forces to go kick ass but we want the people in the affected by it to like us.
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Posted by: rastaman on Apr 6, 2009 9:00 AM
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the mindset of American supremacists never cease to amaze the world. they are completely convinced of their own delusional narcissism, racism, bigotry and superiority.
and Obama dares to castigate Europe for being "anti-American"? spoken like a true NAZI
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Apr 6, 2009 10:05 AM
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At home we must monitor all who had the job of 'sniper', 'sni[per killer', special forces or members that survived a 'suicide mission',of which there are many,and keep tabs on how well they are adujusting to civillian life. Yes, I agree it's sad to think we'd have to watch the hero's that kept the illusion of Freedom alive, but the fact is, as soon as you squeeze off a round and weatch someone's face explode from your shot and you know it. You're not the same person. Killing does that to people. You can't put people into 'kill or be killed' situations and NOT have repercussions at home.
We had it after WW2, Korea, Vietnam Desert storm and we'll have them from Iraq2 and Afghanistan.Obnly Afghanistan will have more opium heads. We import tons of the shit from there while we pretend to hate the stuff but we make metric tons of money off the shit,so get ready for opium addicted mindless government trained highly efficeient killing machines coming home as the sons, daughters, husbands, wifes, brothers, sisters, Aunts, Uncles,and cousins you used to know and is now on top of some clock tower blasting everything that moves.
The real point is...If we teach our kids that vilence is good and sometimes necessary,they will become killers without remorse.
We must start now,today to teach Peace. It's a hell of a lot harder but it's a much better lifestyle. Stop making your kids sign up for the draft when they're 18. IT'S BULLSHIT!! Congress hasn't declared War and that's the only reason the need to sign up for the draft.
Stop telling your kids it's the best way to get money for college. It's not!! A 4.0 GPA is,they give money to kids that get good marks for higher education. Much better than training them to blow the shit out of a house.
Have your church become 'draft free zone'. Didn't Jesus tell us to make brother's of our enemies?
Learn to extend Peace all over your neighborhood. To every neighbor,on every side. Extend Peace inside your house, To yourself,your spouse,and your kids.Even if this was the fifth time junior has chucked his spaghetti O's across the floor. It's in our homes where we first learn violence might be used,and it's in our homes that we must stop showing it's so easy to drop down to.
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Posted by: Cybershaman on Apr 6, 2009 10:19 AM
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THAT is the legacy of Boot Camp and the battlefield. Why do you think they call it 'breaking the spirit'? Hunting used to provide us with peak experiences, but as we became more dependent on agriculture we invented wars as a means to have those same experiences. Killing for food does not injure the spirit like killing for sport does, though. To take a child and to train them to be able to kill on command is the best way to make a 'demon' out of them. It is a self-propagating system...
I better stop this post. I could write a book on this subject and there just isn't enough room to post everything I want to say. War is our greatest stupidity and not being able to turn the warriors off after they have finished their 'mission' is as old as war is.
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Posted by: Dr. P. Mooney on Apr 6, 2009 10:35 AM
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It became obvious to me when Bush/Cheney made sure the Oil Revenue Building in Iraq was secure with armed troops protecting it whilst the Museum of Antiquities, which held some of the oldest artifacts of the human race were left unattended to the crowds that went in destroying priceless objects and stealing others that could be sold on the black market.
Our soldiers still do not have enough counseling in place to help them wind down from being in "war-mode" and transitioning into "civilian-mode." I remember my Vietnam experience; one day I was in the jungle and the next, on the streets of San Francisco without any period of adjusting to the change. I was lucky a could adapt but many can not. Is it any wonder these generally great soldiers flip into what comes natural for their survival? My first answer is very true, just stop sending our men and women off to wars that have no effect on whether our country has been attacked or not. Stop the corporate wars.
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Posted by: Crazy H on Apr 6, 2009 3:01 PM
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Second, integrate women more thoroughly into the service when it is necessary to go to war. If that means putting a rapist in front of a firing squad: do it. Let women into combat as well. In every way, shape and form, stop encouraging males to think of their fellow fighters as inferior simply because of their gender.
ENFORCE the rules of engagement. Under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, rape is punishable by death. Yes, even the 'enemy.' Shooting at civilians, same difference.
We've spent a lot of time on the psychology of soldiers. Spend some of it enforcing the idea of protecting civilians. Reinforce the idea that the only legitimate target is someone who is trying to kill you. Instead of 'high fives' for shooting any "hadji" - heap shame on anyone who shoots a non-combatant. Refer to them as "Mothers" "Fathers" and "Children" instead of "hadjis." Okay, it's probably necessary to dehumanize enemy soldiers, but make a hard and fast distinction between soldiers and civilians.
Also spend some of that psych research time figuring out how to deprogram soldiers and turn them back into civilians.
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Posted by: EagleX on Apr 6, 2009 4:39 PM
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Placed into context, “the US offender rate for homicide in the 18 - 24 yo range is 26.5/100,000. For 25 - 34, it’s 13.5/100,000.”
The automatons that believe everything that these liberal handwringers and propagandists spew should try verifying this nonsense through factual and logic means.
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Posted by: jimbee on Apr 6, 2009 4:52 PM
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"The return of demobilized troops after the Treaty of Ryswick produced a crime wave just as the eighteenth century commenced ... After the Treaty of Utrecht in 1713, and the release of a fresh horde of ex-soldiers, an even greater crime wave built up in London and the home counties, reaching a crest in the early 1720s. ... The next outburst of hyperactivity by highwaymen came at the end of the War of Austrian Succession in 1748. Ex-soldiers, their skills honed in eight years of international warfare, returned to plague the capital. It was the boldness of the new breed of highwaymen that so astonished and frightened the wealthy burghers. ... Yet it was the war with the American colonists that produced arguably the century's greatest efflorescence of highway robbery. This conflict had more serious consequences for English society than the continental wars with France ..." [Crime and Punishment in Eighteenth-Century England, by Frank McLynn, p. 78-80]
More recent wars have had similar consequences.
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Posted by: Philor on Apr 7, 2009 4:33 AM
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Good, I think I can buy an AK-47 for $ 700 in this country. Good thing. As soon as a guy who thought it was OK to go kill people just because King George said so is out of line I'll fire first.
Give me a break people! How do you deal with animals who think killing is a job? You control them, you don't try to save them. Naiveness at his worse here.
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Posted by: Burtonger on Apr 8, 2009 9:31 AM
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How can they be deprogrammed from the hell they have experienced and KARMA will prevail,"do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
The machine eats itself and I'm not being insensitive because I wish these wars did not ever happen.
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Posted by: DrBrian on Apr 6, 2009 12:52 AM
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Increased domestic violence, along with massive budget deficits, loss of civil liberties and trust in government, and increased hatred of Americans around the world are the prices we pay for our military adventurism.
Although most conservatives, especially religious ones, are delighted with these changes, many of us aren't.
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Posted by: RR#1 on Apr 6, 2009 1:36 AM
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Cheers,
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Posted by: Honky the Nihilist... on Apr 6, 2009 5:58 AM
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Americans are bipolar. We want to deploy our forces to go kick ass but we want the people in the affected by it to like us.
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Posted by: rastaman on Apr 6, 2009 9:00 AM
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the mindset of American supremacists never cease to amaze the world. they are completely convinced of their own delusional narcissism, racism, bigotry and superiority.
and Obama dares to castigate Europe for being "anti-American"? spoken like a true NAZI
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Apr 6, 2009 10:05 AM
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At home we must monitor all who had the job of 'sniper', 'sni[per killer', special forces or members that survived a 'suicide mission',of which there are many,and keep tabs on how well they are adujusting to civillian life. Yes, I agree it's sad to think we'd have to watch the hero's that kept the illusion of Freedom alive, but the fact is, as soon as you squeeze off a round and weatch someone's face explode from your shot and you know it. You're not the same person. Killing does that to people. You can't put people into 'kill or be killed' situations and NOT have repercussions at home.
We had it after WW2, Korea, Vietnam Desert storm and we'll have them from Iraq2 and Afghanistan.Obnly Afghanistan will have more opium heads. We import tons of the shit from there while we pretend to hate the stuff but we make metric tons of money off the shit,so get ready for opium addicted mindless government trained highly efficeient killing machines coming home as the sons, daughters, husbands, wifes, brothers, sisters, Aunts, Uncles,and cousins you used to know and is now on top of some clock tower blasting everything that moves.
The real point is...If we teach our kids that vilence is good and sometimes necessary,they will become killers without remorse.
We must start now,today to teach Peace. It's a hell of a lot harder but it's a much better lifestyle. Stop making your kids sign up for the draft when they're 18. IT'S BULLSHIT!! Congress hasn't declared War and that's the only reason the need to sign up for the draft.
Stop telling your kids it's the best way to get money for college. It's not!! A 4.0 GPA is,they give money to kids that get good marks for higher education. Much better than training them to blow the shit out of a house.
Have your church become 'draft free zone'. Didn't Jesus tell us to make brother's of our enemies?
Learn to extend Peace all over your neighborhood. To every neighbor,on every side. Extend Peace inside your house, To yourself,your spouse,and your kids.Even if this was the fifth time junior has chucked his spaghetti O's across the floor. It's in our homes where we first learn violence might be used,and it's in our homes that we must stop showing it's so easy to drop down to.
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Posted by: Cybershaman on Apr 6, 2009 10:19 AM
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THAT is the legacy of Boot Camp and the battlefield. Why do you think they call it 'breaking the spirit'? Hunting used to provide us with peak experiences, but as we became more dependent on agriculture we invented wars as a means to have those same experiences. Killing for food does not injure the spirit like killing for sport does, though. To take a child and to train them to be able to kill on command is the best way to make a 'demon' out of them. It is a self-propagating system...
I better stop this post. I could write a book on this subject and there just isn't enough room to post everything I want to say. War is our greatest stupidity and not being able to turn the warriors off after they have finished their 'mission' is as old as war is.
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Posted by: Dr. P. Mooney on Apr 6, 2009 10:35 AM
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It became obvious to me when Bush/Cheney made sure the Oil Revenue Building in Iraq was secure with armed troops protecting it whilst the Museum of Antiquities, which held some of the oldest artifacts of the human race were left unattended to the crowds that went in destroying priceless objects and stealing others that could be sold on the black market.
Our soldiers still do not have enough counseling in place to help them wind down from being in "war-mode" and transitioning into "civilian-mode." I remember my Vietnam experience; one day I was in the jungle and the next, on the streets of San Francisco without any period of adjusting to the change. I was lucky a could adapt but many can not. Is it any wonder these generally great soldiers flip into what comes natural for their survival? My first answer is very true, just stop sending our men and women off to wars that have no effect on whether our country has been attacked or not. Stop the corporate wars.
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» RE: quit sending soldiers off to wars in the first place - THANK YOU !
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Posted by: AndersonConnor on Apr 6, 2009 12:35 PM
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Posted by: IMPACT Boston on Apr 6, 2009 1:47 PM
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Posted by: Crazy H on Apr 6, 2009 3:01 PM
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Second, integrate women more thoroughly into the service when it is necessary to go to war. If that means putting a rapist in front of a firing squad: do it. Let women into combat as well. In every way, shape and form, stop encouraging males to think of their fellow fighters as inferior simply because of their gender.
ENFORCE the rules of engagement. Under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, rape is punishable by death. Yes, even the 'enemy.' Shooting at civilians, same difference.
We've spent a lot of time on the psychology of soldiers. Spend some of it enforcing the idea of protecting civilians. Reinforce the idea that the only legitimate target is someone who is trying to kill you. Instead of 'high fives' for shooting any "hadji" - heap shame on anyone who shoots a non-combatant. Refer to them as "Mothers" "Fathers" and "Children" instead of "hadjis." Okay, it's probably necessary to dehumanize enemy soldiers, but make a hard and fast distinction between soldiers and civilians.
Also spend some of that psych research time figuring out how to deprogram soldiers and turn them back into civilians.
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Posted by: EagleX on Apr 6, 2009 4:39 PM
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Placed into context, “the US offender rate for homicide in the 18 - 24 yo range is 26.5/100,000. For 25 - 34, it’s 13.5/100,000.”
The automatons that believe everything that these liberal handwringers and propagandists spew should try verifying this nonsense through factual and logic means.
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» You Limbaugh dittoheads need to get a grip already !
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» Sorry Jennifer but EagleX has a point
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Posted by: jimbee on Apr 6, 2009 4:52 PM
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"The return of demobilized troops after the Treaty of Ryswick produced a crime wave just as the eighteenth century commenced ... After the Treaty of Utrecht in 1713, and the release of a fresh horde of ex-soldiers, an even greater crime wave built up in London and the home counties, reaching a crest in the early 1720s. ... The next outburst of hyperactivity by highwaymen came at the end of the War of Austrian Succession in 1748. Ex-soldiers, their skills honed in eight years of international warfare, returned to plague the capital. It was the boldness of the new breed of highwaymen that so astonished and frightened the wealthy burghers. ... Yet it was the war with the American colonists that produced arguably the century's greatest efflorescence of highway robbery. This conflict had more serious consequences for English society than the continental wars with France ..." [Crime and Punishment in Eighteenth-Century England, by Frank McLynn, p. 78-80]
More recent wars have had similar consequences.
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» It's the kind of war - partly.
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Posted by: om7buss on Apr 6, 2009 6:59 PM
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Posted by: Philor on Apr 7, 2009 4:33 AM
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Good, I think I can buy an AK-47 for $ 700 in this country. Good thing. As soon as a guy who thought it was OK to go kill people just because King George said so is out of line I'll fire first.
Give me a break people! How do you deal with animals who think killing is a job? You control them, you don't try to save them. Naiveness at his worse here.
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Posted by: bigbry65 on Apr 7, 2009 9:57 PM
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» It takes a feeble mind to denigrate the sacrifice of our troops.
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Posted by: Burtonger on Apr 8, 2009 9:31 AM
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How can they be deprogrammed from the hell they have experienced and KARMA will prevail,"do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
The machine eats itself and I'm not being insensitive because I wish these wars did not ever happen.
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