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How Can We Stop the Epidemic of Killing Women and Children By Returning Soldiers?

No society that sends its men abroad for war can expect them to come home and be at peace, as returning Iraqi vets are proving in alarming numbers.
April 6, 2009  |  
 
 
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Wake up, America. The boys are coming home, and they're not the boys who went away.

On New Year's Day, the New York Times welcomed the advent of 2009 by reporting that, since returning from Iraq, nine members of the Fort Carson, Colorado, Fourth Brigade Combat team had been charged with homicide. Five of the murders they were responsible for took place in 2008 when, in addition, "charges of domestic violence, rape and sexual assault" at the base rose sharply. Some of the murder victims were chosen at random; four were fellow soldiers -- all men. Three were wives or girlfriends.

This shouldn't be a surprise. Men sent to Iraq or Afghanistan for two, three, or four tours of duty return to wives who find them "changed" and children they barely know. Tens of thousands return to inadequate, underfunded veterans' services with appalling physical injuries, crippling post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), and suck-it-up sergeants who hold to the belief that no good soldier seeks help. That, by the way, is a mighty convenient belief for the Departments of Defense and Veterans Affairs, which have been notoriously slow to offer much of that help.

Recently Republican Senator John Cornyn from Texas, a state with 15 major military bases, noted that as many as one in five U.S. veterans is expected to suffer from at least one "invisible wound" of war, if not a combination of them, "including depression, post-traumatic stress disorder and mild traumatic brain injury." Left untreated, such wounds can become very visible: witness, for example, the recent wave of suicides that have swept through the military, at least 128 in 2008, and 24 in January 2009 alone.

To judge by past wars, a lot of returning veterans will do themselves a lot of damage drinking and drugging. Many will wind up in prison for drug use or criminal offenses that might have been minor if the offenders hadn't been carrying guns they learned to rely on in the service. And a shocking number of those veterans will bring the violence of war home to their wives and children.

That's no accident. The U.S. military is a macho club, proud of its long tradition of misogyny, and not about to give it up. One decorated veteran of the first Gulf War, who credited the army with teaching him to repress his emotions, described his basic training as "long, exhausting marches" and "sound-offs [that] revolved around killing and mutilating the enemy or violent sex with women." (The two themes easily merge.) That veteran was Timothy McVeigh, the unrepentant Oklahoma City bomber, who must have known that blowing up a government office building during business hours was sure to kill a whole lot of women.

Even in the best of times, the incidence of violence against women is much higher in the military than among civilians. After war, it's naturally worse -- as with those combat team members at Fort Carson. In 2005, one of them, Pfc. Stephen Sherwood, returned from Iraq and fatally shot his wife, then himself. In September 2008, Pvt. John Needham, who received a medical discharge after a failed suicide attempt, beat his girlfriend to death. In October 2008, Spc. Robert H. Marko raped and murdered Judilianna Lawrence, a developmentally disabled teenager he met online.

These murders of wives and girlfriends -- crimes the Bureau of Justice Statistics labels "intimate homicides" -- were hardly the first. In fact, the first veterans of George Bush's wars returned to Fort Bragg, North Carolina, from Afghanistan in 2002.

On June 11, 2002, Sgt. First Class Rigoberto Nieves fatally shot his wife Teresa and then himself in their bedroom. On June 29th, Sgt. William Wright strangled his wife Jennifer and buried her body in the woods. On July 9th, Sgt. Ramon Griffin stabbed his estranged wife Marilyn 50 times or more and set her house on fire. On July 19th, Sgt. First Class Brandon Floyd of Delta Force, the antiterrorism unit of the Special Forces, shot his wife Andrea and then killed himself. At least three of the murdered wives had been seeking separation or divorce.

When a New York Times reporter asked a master sergeant in the Special Forces to comment on these events, he responded: "S.F.'s [Special Forces members] don't like to talk about emotional stuff. We are Type A people who just blow things like that off..."

The killings at Fort Bragg didn't stop there. In February 2005, Army Special Forces trainee Richard Corcoran shot and wounded his estranged wife Michele and another soldier, then killed himself. He became the tenth fatality in a lengthening list of domestic violence deaths at Fort Bragg.


Ann Jones is a journalist and the author of a groundbreaking series of books on violence against women, including Next Time She'll Be Dead, on battering, and Women Who Kill, a contemporary classic to be reissued this fall by the Feminist Press, with a new introduction from which this post is adapted. She serves as a gender advisor to the UN.
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Consequences of a Militarized Society
Posted by: DrBrian on Apr 6, 2009 12:52 AM   
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Dave Grossman, a retired lieutenant colonel, wrote On Killing to describe how military training was improved over the years to increase the number of soldiers who actually fired at the enemy from about 15% in WWI and WWII to 80+% today. Desensitization to killing is one of the techniques used. But the Pentagon's concerns about the effect of training effectively begin and end on the battlefield, and neither the military brass nor politicians are very concerned about the long-term effects.

Increased domestic violence, along with massive budget deficits, loss of civil liberties and trust in government, and increased hatred of Americans around the world are the prices we pay for our military adventurism.

Although most conservatives, especially religious ones, are delighted with these changes, many of us aren't.

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These guys need a good month in a theraputic community when they get home
Posted by: RR#1 on Apr 6, 2009 1:36 AM   
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so they can be debriefed properly. Write Michelle Obama she said she wanted to help military families this is the best thing I can think of, and it's a good idea. Just like a treatment centre. It would save alot of heartache in the long run.
Cheers,
RR

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Send Israel the bill
Posted by: weathered on Apr 6, 2009 3:07 AM   
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they only take.

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the unseen injury
Posted by: jbro434 on Apr 6, 2009 4:07 AM   
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The military barely took care of the returning soldiers who came back missing arms and legs. It took a lot of hell raising to get them to treat these soldiers with proper care. The ones returning after long tours of duty are suffering psychological damage that can't be seen with the naked eye. When they come home and commit violent acts it is too late. They will wind up in private prisons with the other victims of America's sick society....the poor, minorities, non violent drug offenders, immigrants. In the meantime, the wall street crooks will walk away with their wrist slapped and in the worst case, country club prison. The war profiteers will get rich, innocent humans will die abroad and we will all be the worse for it.

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Why not let them kill the enemy instead?
Posted by: Honky the Nihilist... on Apr 6, 2009 5:58 AM   
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If you are going to send soldiers to war, send them out with an enemy to kill and an objective to accomplish. Do not hand them a bag full of soccer balls and tell them to “go win hearts and minds” of a neighborhood that delivered mortars the night prior.

Americans are bipolar. We want to deploy our forces to go kick ass but we want the people in the affected by it to like us.

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» Theft for Oil & Israel Posted by: weathered
» Because the enemy is you ! Posted by: GrantBurkeVT
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The treatment by the military
Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on Apr 6, 2009 6:08 AM   
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of its veterans hasn't changed much since they did what they did to the "Bonus amry".
Use them and ignore them.

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It's not just the boys. Girls in the military are also suffering from PTSD.
Posted by: GrantBurkeVT on Apr 6, 2009 6:16 AM   
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We are living in a time where both men and women are serving. Could we please keep it fair for both genders?

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» Not true Posted by: suprmark

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why do we need a military?
Posted by: J4761 on Apr 6, 2009 6:45 AM   
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there are better ways to defend ourselves

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» And those are? Posted by: HLbuchanan

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THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN ARE NEARBY AND CONVENIENT
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Apr 6, 2009 7:12 AM   
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The men in question aren't likely to get in the car and drive to shoot up the local convenience store. They harm what's nearby and convenient. I agree with 'Weathered' and the above comment. A month to adjust to being back home would help, even for those who don't appear to need it. If the military made it mandatory no one would have reason to feel like a malingerer or a wimp. As for affordability - if we can't afford to bring them home we shouldn't send them in the first place. The cost of a war is projected out about 50 years. Some veterans require care and housing for the rest of their lives. That's part of the deal. We owe them. thanks, ANNA

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As pointed out earlier, it doesn't matter if the soldier is a man or woman.
Posted by: Benn_Miller on Apr 6, 2009 7:51 AM   
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The article gets it wrong by pointing to men being the bigger culprits than women. Ok, so my wife is a softheart but so am I. If my wife and I were to be put into the same army climate these soldiers are put into, we would both be suffering from PTSD. Perhaps, the dispute lies in the perception that women are likely to be more subdued and not as impacted by the war zone because the Venus side is more dominant than the Mars side in most of them while in men it is supposedly the opposite. While the results would confirm this in the open, it's fair enough to say that man or woman, put them in a war zone and their mental stability is affected for the worse. In fact, I've seen women coming back from the army abusing both their husbands and children. Just two weeks ago, I had to report my neighbor to the police for getting into a fight with her husband after coming back as she turned out to be very violent minded. Before Obama thinks of deploying more troops overseas, he may want to consider supporting the idea of funding army programs to keep the troops' minds in mental stability.

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Sick
Posted by: willymack on Apr 6, 2009 8:41 AM   
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So, the poor slobs returning from the brutal and illegal occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan are sick, are they? Wounded, often beyond repair? Any hope for a normal, happy life ripped away from them? And THEY'RE sick? What about those why so casually and breezily sent them into harm's way? What's their state of mind? How do they rationalize their heinous crimes? Do they seek help from thousand dollar an hour therapy sessions while denying even the most basic care to those they used? Can they be described as "normal" by ANY stretch of the imagination?

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Maybe You Should Start With Iraqis
Posted by: rastaman on Apr 6, 2009 9:00 AM   
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they're the ones that have lived through decades of American puppethead dictators, war, torture, rape, pedophilia, murder and pillaging.


the mindset of American supremacists never cease to amaze the world. they are completely convinced of their own delusional narcissism, racism, bigotry and superiority.


and Obama dares to castigate Europe for being "anti-American"? spoken like a true NAZI

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WELL...........
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Apr 6, 2009 10:05 AM   
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Firstly we stop making military people out of our children. You do that by not being so quick to support the idea of 'Terrorist threats' that only seem to be vague appeals to our 'fear' centers of the brain pertretrated by the mass media for the Gov't.

At home we must monitor all who had the job of 'sniper', 'sni[per killer', special forces or members that survived a 'suicide mission',of which there are many,and keep tabs on how well they are adujusting to civillian life. Yes, I agree it's sad to think we'd have to watch the hero's that kept the illusion of Freedom alive, but the fact is, as soon as you squeeze off a round and weatch someone's face explode from your shot and you know it. You're not the same person. Killing does that to people. You can't put people into 'kill or be killed' situations and NOT have repercussions at home.

We had it after WW2, Korea, Vietnam Desert storm and we'll have them from Iraq2 and Afghanistan.Obnly Afghanistan will have more opium heads. We import tons of the shit from there while we pretend to hate the stuff but we make metric tons of money off the shit,so get ready for opium addicted mindless government trained highly efficeient killing machines coming home as the sons, daughters, husbands, wifes, brothers, sisters, Aunts, Uncles,and cousins you used to know and is now on top of some clock tower blasting everything that moves.

The real point is...If we teach our kids that vilence is good and sometimes necessary,they will become killers without remorse.

We must start now,today to teach Peace. It's a hell of a lot harder but it's a much better lifestyle. Stop making your kids sign up for the draft when they're 18. IT'S BULLSHIT!! Congress hasn't declared War and that's the only reason the need to sign up for the draft.

Stop telling your kids it's the best way to get money for college. It's not!! A 4.0 GPA is,they give money to kids that get good marks for higher education. Much better than training them to blow the shit out of a house.

Have your church become 'draft free zone'. Didn't Jesus tell us to make brother's of our enemies?

Learn to extend Peace all over your neighborhood. To every neighbor,on every side. Extend Peace inside your house, To yourself,your spouse,and your kids.Even if this was the fifth time junior has chucked his spaghetti O's across the floor. It's in our homes where we first learn violence might be used,and it's in our homes that we must stop showing it's so easy to drop down to.

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I've never met...
Posted by: Cybershaman on Apr 6, 2009 10:19 AM   
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...a military person who I would consider sane. I've known vets and active duty personel from every conflict since WWII and NOT ONE has remained whole through the experience. The ones that do not have that haunted look have an over the top bravado to mask their pain. Even so their eyes remain empty, devoid of that glint that says there is more than a body here.

THAT is the legacy of Boot Camp and the battlefield. Why do you think they call it 'breaking the spirit'? Hunting used to provide us with peak experiences, but as we became more dependent on agriculture we invented wars as a means to have those same experiences. Killing for food does not injure the spirit like killing for sport does, though. To take a child and to train them to be able to kill on command is the best way to make a 'demon' out of them. It is a self-propagating system...

I better stop this post. I could write a book on this subject and there just isn't enough room to post everything I want to say. War is our greatest stupidity and not being able to turn the warriors off after they have finished their 'mission' is as old as war is.

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How Can We Stop the Epidemic of Killing Women and Children By Returning Soldiers
Posted by: Dr. P. Mooney on Apr 6, 2009 10:35 AM   
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That's an easy one; quit sending soldiers off to wars in the first place. It seems we are involved in some form of war every twenty years. It's almost like it is worked into the main frame of this country, its economy, and some game for the rich to play when they become bored. We all know that oil was the main reason we went into Iraq and Saddam Hussein was an excuse as well as WMDs. It is hard to fathom the loss of over 4,000 of our soldiers so the rich could get a better contract with the oil refineries in Iraq.

It became obvious to me when Bush/Cheney made sure the Oil Revenue Building in Iraq was secure with armed troops protecting it whilst the Museum of Antiquities, which held some of the oldest artifacts of the human race were left unattended to the crowds that went in destroying priceless objects and stealing others that could be sold on the black market.

Our soldiers still do not have enough counseling in place to help them wind down from being in "war-mode" and transitioning into "civilian-mode." I remember my Vietnam experience; one day I was in the jungle and the next, on the streets of San Francisco without any period of adjusting to the change. I was lucky a could adapt but many can not. Is it any wonder these generally great soldiers flip into what comes natural for their survival? My first answer is very true, just stop sending our men and women off to wars that have no effect on whether our country has been attacked or not. Stop the corporate wars.

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If the people don't help our troops, nobody will
Posted by: AndersonConnor on Apr 6, 2009 12:35 PM   
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We can't expect the same broken system, that let our troops down in the first place by sending them to Iraq to commit war crimes, to help them adjust to peaceful life upon their return. This is one of the many areas where those who "support the troops" will be tested. We need immediate action- not only with returning troops, but also with those yet to be shipped off, and all the way down to those being recruited to join. Support the troops with more than a magnetic ribbon. Help spread the truth by supporting CAMMMO.org

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Violence and Rape
Posted by: IMPACT Boston on Apr 6, 2009 1:47 PM   
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Thanks for this article and keeping the focus on the links between sexual violence and war. I was at a trauma conference a few years back and went to a session presented by several VA psychologists who were working with women soldiers who were raped by commanders and fellow soldiers. I remember asking what is being done to prevent or respond to sexual violence and at the time very little was. Judging from this article it appears that this is the case across the board-- denying the links between preparing for war and all the other epidemics of violence.

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A few suggestions
Posted by: Crazy H on Apr 6, 2009 3:01 PM   
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First & foremost - as other posters have suggested, is to stop going to voluntary wars. That in itself sends the message, "it's okay to shoot first." There's a big difference between attacking and defending. The soldiers in Iraq know the score, they know they're not defending us from anything.

Second, integrate women more thoroughly into the service when it is necessary to go to war. If that means putting a rapist in front of a firing squad: do it. Let women into combat as well. In every way, shape and form, stop encouraging males to think of their fellow fighters as inferior simply because of their gender.

ENFORCE the rules of engagement. Under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, rape is punishable by death. Yes, even the 'enemy.' Shooting at civilians, same difference.

We've spent a lot of time on the psychology of soldiers. Spend some of it enforcing the idea of protecting civilians. Reinforce the idea that the only legitimate target is someone who is trying to kill you. Instead of 'high fives' for shooting any "hadji" - heap shame on anyone who shoots a non-combatant. Refer to them as "Mothers" "Fathers" and "Children" instead of "hadjis." Okay, it's probably necessary to dehumanize enemy soldiers, but make a hard and fast distinction between soldiers and civilians.

Also spend some of that psych research time figuring out how to deprogram soldiers and turn them back into civilians.

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Ann propogates Another Liberal Lie
Posted by: EagleX on Apr 6, 2009 4:39 PM   
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121 murders committed by war veterans represent about a 7.08/100,000 rate” at the low end and 10/100,000 at the high end.

Placed into context, “the US offender rate for homicide in the 18 - 24 yo range is 26.5/100,000. For 25 - 34, it’s 13.5/100,000.”


The automatons that believe everything that these liberal handwringers and propagandists spew should try verifying this nonsense through factual and logic means.

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Lessons from history
Posted by: jimbee on Apr 6, 2009 4:52 PM   
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This is a very old story; here's a few tidbits from a book I read a while back:

"The return of demobilized troops after the Treaty of Ryswick produced a crime wave just as the eighteenth century commenced ... After the Treaty of Utrecht in 1713, and the release of a fresh horde of ex-soldiers, an even greater crime wave built up in London and the home counties, reaching a crest in the early 1720s. ... The next outburst of hyperactivity by highwaymen came at the end of the War of Austrian Succession in 1748. Ex-soldiers, their skills honed in eight years of international warfare, returned to plague the capital. It was the boldness of the new breed of highwaymen that so astonished and frightened the wealthy burghers. ... Yet it was the war with the American colonists that produced arguably the century's greatest efflorescence of highway robbery. This conflict had more serious consequences for English society than the continental wars with France ..." [Crime and Punishment in Eighteenth-Century England, by Frank McLynn, p. 78-80]

More recent wars have had similar consequences.

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what happen?
Posted by: om7buss on Apr 6, 2009 6:59 PM   
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with support your (our) troops? they are being drugged to the extremed, make head sugeries that they don't need; all these in order that they come home, they would be in-defense, against the real power of satan...www.henrybook.com

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THey're coming back?
Posted by: Philor on Apr 7, 2009 4:33 AM   
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Oh, so the people who signed up to go kill ill-equipped third world people, the same ones I witnessed having fun, yes having fun killing dogs in Iraq, not properly identifying theirs targets are back?
Good, I think I can buy an AK-47 for $ 700 in this country. Good thing. As soon as a guy who thought it was OK to go kill people just because King George said so is out of line I'll fire first.
Give me a break people! How do you deal with animals who think killing is a job? You control them, you don't try to save them. Naiveness at his worse here.

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It's the military, what can one expect...
Posted by: bigbry65 on Apr 7, 2009 9:57 PM   
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It truly takes a feeble mind, that can be easily reprogrammed and remolded into a desensitized killing machine. And these are the sad drawbacks of doing such, and as far as the military is concerned, these are just some of the negatives in creating the ultimate soldier. It is an organization who specializes in VIOLENCE, inflicting pain...absolutely nothing is gained by war. The cost is far greater than the blood shed on the battlefield

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These "side-effects" were very easy to predict.
Posted by: Burtonger on Apr 8, 2009 9:31 AM   
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Many people knew this would happen remembering the Vietnam vets and it's logical because when "soldiers" are designed to kill so effectively and are sent to an immoral,illegal and criminal war they come home severely damaged physically and mentally.
How can they be deprogrammed from the hell they have experienced and KARMA will prevail,"do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
The machine eats itself and I'm not being insensitive because I wish these wars did not ever happen.

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Easy way to Stop the Killing
Posted by: Pop on Apr 10, 2009 8:27 PM   
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The easiest and best way to stop the killing is to stop training our soldiers to kill innocent people in the Middle East that are only fighting to defend themselves from the US invading Armies. A good example also would be to hold the Bush Regime responsible for their lies and manipulation of intelligence in their conspiracy to invade both Afghanistan and Iraq.

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Consequences of a Militarized Society
Posted by: DrBrian on Apr 6, 2009 12:52 AM   
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Dave Grossman, a retired lieutenant colonel, wrote On Killing to describe how military training was improved over the years to increase the number of soldiers who actually fired at the enemy from about 15% in WWI and WWII to 80+% today. Desensitization to killing is one of the techniques used. But the Pentagon's concerns about the effect of training effectively begin and end on the battlefield, and neither the military brass nor politicians are very concerned about the long-term effects.

Increased domestic violence, along with massive budget deficits, loss of civil liberties and trust in government, and increased hatred of Americans around the world are the prices we pay for our military adventurism.

Although most conservatives, especially religious ones, are delighted with these changes, many of us aren't.

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These guys need a good month in a theraputic community when they get home
Posted by: RR#1 on Apr 6, 2009 1:36 AM   
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so they can be debriefed properly. Write Michelle Obama she said she wanted to help military families this is the best thing I can think of, and it's a good idea. Just like a treatment centre. It would save alot of heartache in the long run.
Cheers,
RR

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Send Israel the bill
Posted by: weathered on Apr 6, 2009 3:07 AM   
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they only take.

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the unseen injury
Posted by: jbro434 on Apr 6, 2009 4:07 AM   
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The military barely took care of the returning soldiers who came back missing arms and legs. It took a lot of hell raising to get them to treat these soldiers with proper care. The ones returning after long tours of duty are suffering psychological damage that can't be seen with the naked eye. When they come home and commit violent acts it is too late. They will wind up in private prisons with the other victims of America's sick society....the poor, minorities, non violent drug offenders, immigrants. In the meantime, the wall street crooks will walk away with their wrist slapped and in the worst case, country club prison. The war profiteers will get rich, innocent humans will die abroad and we will all be the worse for it.

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Why not let them kill the enemy instead?
Posted by: Honky the Nihilist... on Apr 6, 2009 5:58 AM   
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If you are going to send soldiers to war, send them out with an enemy to kill and an objective to accomplish. Do not hand them a bag full of soccer balls and tell them to “go win hearts and minds” of a neighborhood that delivered mortars the night prior.

Americans are bipolar. We want to deploy our forces to go kick ass but we want the people in the affected by it to like us.

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The treatment by the military
Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on Apr 6, 2009 6:08 AM   
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of its veterans hasn't changed much since they did what they did to the "Bonus amry".
Use them and ignore them.

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It's not just the boys. Girls in the military are also suffering from PTSD.
Posted by: GrantBurkeVT on Apr 6, 2009 6:16 AM   
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We are living in a time where both men and women are serving. Could we please keep it fair for both genders?

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why do we need a military?
Posted by: J4761 on Apr 6, 2009 6:45 AM   
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there are better ways to defend ourselves

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THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN ARE NEARBY AND CONVENIENT
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Apr 6, 2009 7:12 AM   
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The men in question aren't likely to get in the car and drive to shoot up the local convenience store. They harm what's nearby and convenient. I agree with 'Weathered' and the above comment. A month to adjust to being back home would help, even for those who don't appear to need it. If the military made it mandatory no one would have reason to feel like a malingerer or a wimp. As for affordability - if we can't afford to bring them home we shouldn't send them in the first place. The cost of a war is projected out about 50 years. Some veterans require care and housing for the rest of their lives. That's part of the deal. We owe them. thanks, ANNA

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As pointed out earlier, it doesn't matter if the soldier is a man or woman.
Posted by: Benn_Miller on Apr 6, 2009 7:51 AM   
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The article gets it wrong by pointing to men being the bigger culprits than women. Ok, so my wife is a softheart but so am I. If my wife and I were to be put into the same army climate these soldiers are put into, we would both be suffering from PTSD. Perhaps, the dispute lies in the perception that women are likely to be more subdued and not as impacted by the war zone because the Venus side is more dominant than the Mars side in most of them while in men it is supposedly the opposite. While the results would confirm this in the open, it's fair enough to say that man or woman, put them in a war zone and their mental stability is affected for the worse. In fact, I've seen women coming back from the army abusing both their husbands and children. Just two weeks ago, I had to report my neighbor to the police for getting into a fight with her husband after coming back as she turned out to be very violent minded. Before Obama thinks of deploying more troops overseas, he may want to consider supporting the idea of funding army programs to keep the troops' minds in mental stability.

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Sick
Posted by: willymack on Apr 6, 2009 8:41 AM   
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So, the poor slobs returning from the brutal and illegal occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan are sick, are they? Wounded, often beyond repair? Any hope for a normal, happy life ripped away from them? And THEY'RE sick? What about those why so casually and breezily sent them into harm's way? What's their state of mind? How do they rationalize their heinous crimes? Do they seek help from thousand dollar an hour therapy sessions while denying even the most basic care to those they used? Can they be described as "normal" by ANY stretch of the imagination?

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Maybe You Should Start With Iraqis
Posted by: rastaman on Apr 6, 2009 9:00 AM   
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they're the ones that have lived through decades of American puppethead dictators, war, torture, rape, pedophilia, murder and pillaging.


the mindset of American supremacists never cease to amaze the world. they are completely convinced of their own delusional narcissism, racism, bigotry and superiority.


and Obama dares to castigate Europe for being "anti-American"? spoken like a true NAZI

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WELL...........
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Apr 6, 2009 10:05 AM   
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Firstly we stop making military people out of our children. You do that by not being so quick to support the idea of 'Terrorist threats' that only seem to be vague appeals to our 'fear' centers of the brain pertretrated by the mass media for the Gov't.

At home we must monitor all who had the job of 'sniper', 'sni[per killer', special forces or members that survived a 'suicide mission',of which there are many,and keep tabs on how well they are adujusting to civillian life. Yes, I agree it's sad to think we'd have to watch the hero's that kept the illusion of Freedom alive, but the fact is, as soon as you squeeze off a round and weatch someone's face explode from your shot and you know it. You're not the same person. Killing does that to people. You can't put people into 'kill or be killed' situations and NOT have repercussions at home.

We had it after WW2, Korea, Vietnam Desert storm and we'll have them from Iraq2 and Afghanistan.Obnly Afghanistan will have more opium heads. We import tons of the shit from there while we pretend to hate the stuff but we make metric tons of money off the shit,so get ready for opium addicted mindless government trained highly efficeient killing machines coming home as the sons, daughters, husbands, wifes, brothers, sisters, Aunts, Uncles,and cousins you used to know and is now on top of some clock tower blasting everything that moves.

The real point is...If we teach our kids that vilence is good and sometimes necessary,they will become killers without remorse.

We must start now,today to teach Peace. It's a hell of a lot harder but it's a much better lifestyle. Stop making your kids sign up for the draft when they're 18. IT'S BULLSHIT!! Congress hasn't declared War and that's the only reason the need to sign up for the draft.

Stop telling your kids it's the best way to get money for college. It's not!! A 4.0 GPA is,they give money to kids that get good marks for higher education. Much better than training them to blow the shit out of a house.

Have your church become 'draft free zone'. Didn't Jesus tell us to make brother's of our enemies?

Learn to extend Peace all over your neighborhood. To every neighbor,on every side. Extend Peace inside your house, To yourself,your spouse,and your kids.Even if this was the fifth time junior has chucked his spaghetti O's across the floor. It's in our homes where we first learn violence might be used,and it's in our homes that we must stop showing it's so easy to drop down to.

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I've never met...
Posted by: Cybershaman on Apr 6, 2009 10:19 AM   
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...a military person who I would consider sane. I've known vets and active duty personel from every conflict since WWII and NOT ONE has remained whole through the experience. The ones that do not have that haunted look have an over the top bravado to mask their pain. Even so their eyes remain empty, devoid of that glint that says there is more than a body here.

THAT is the legacy of Boot Camp and the battlefield. Why do you think they call it 'breaking the spirit'? Hunting used to provide us with peak experiences, but as we became more dependent on agriculture we invented wars as a means to have those same experiences. Killing for food does not injure the spirit like killing for sport does, though. To take a child and to train them to be able to kill on command is the best way to make a 'demon' out of them. It is a self-propagating system...

I better stop this post. I could write a book on this subject and there just isn't enough room to post everything I want to say. War is our greatest stupidity and not being able to turn the warriors off after they have finished their 'mission' is as old as war is.

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How Can We Stop the Epidemic of Killing Women and Children By Returning Soldiers
Posted by: Dr. P. Mooney on Apr 6, 2009 10:35 AM   
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That's an easy one; quit sending soldiers off to wars in the first place. It seems we are involved in some form of war every twenty years. It's almost like it is worked into the main frame of this country, its economy, and some game for the rich to play when they become bored. We all know that oil was the main reason we went into Iraq and Saddam Hussein was an excuse as well as WMDs. It is hard to fathom the loss of over 4,000 of our soldiers so the rich could get a better contract with the oil refineries in Iraq.

It became obvious to me when Bush/Cheney made sure the Oil Revenue Building in Iraq was secure with armed troops protecting it whilst the Museum of Antiquities, which held some of the oldest artifacts of the human race were left unattended to the crowds that went in destroying priceless objects and stealing others that could be sold on the black market.

Our soldiers still do not have enough counseling in place to help them wind down from being in "war-mode" and transitioning into "civilian-mode." I remember my Vietnam experience; one day I was in the jungle and the next, on the streets of San Francisco without any period of adjusting to the change. I was lucky a could adapt but many can not. Is it any wonder these generally great soldiers flip into what comes natural for their survival? My first answer is very true, just stop sending our men and women off to wars that have no effect on whether our country has been attacked or not. Stop the corporate wars.

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If the people don't help our troops, nobody will
Posted by: AndersonConnor on Apr 6, 2009 12:35 PM   
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We can't expect the same broken system, that let our troops down in the first place by sending them to Iraq to commit war crimes, to help them adjust to peaceful life upon their return. This is one of the many areas where those who "support the troops" will be tested. We need immediate action- not only with returning troops, but also with those yet to be shipped off, and all the way down to those being recruited to join. Support the troops with more than a magnetic ribbon. Help spread the truth by supporting CAMMMO.org

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Violence and Rape
Posted by: IMPACT Boston on Apr 6, 2009 1:47 PM   
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Thanks for this article and keeping the focus on the links between sexual violence and war. I was at a trauma conference a few years back and went to a session presented by several VA psychologists who were working with women soldiers who were raped by commanders and fellow soldiers. I remember asking what is being done to prevent or respond to sexual violence and at the time very little was. Judging from this article it appears that this is the case across the board-- denying the links between preparing for war and all the other epidemics of violence.

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A few suggestions
Posted by: Crazy H on Apr 6, 2009 3:01 PM   
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First & foremost - as other posters have suggested, is to stop going to voluntary wars. That in itself sends the message, "it's okay to shoot first." There's a big difference between attacking and defending. The soldiers in Iraq know the score, they know they're not defending us from anything.

Second, integrate women more thoroughly into the service when it is necessary to go to war. If that means putting a rapist in front of a firing squad: do it. Let women into combat as well. In every way, shape and form, stop encouraging males to think of their fellow fighters as inferior simply because of their gender.

ENFORCE the rules of engagement. Under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, rape is punishable by death. Yes, even the 'enemy.' Shooting at civilians, same difference.

We've spent a lot of time on the psychology of soldiers. Spend some of it enforcing the idea of protecting civilians. Reinforce the idea that the only legitimate target is someone who is trying to kill you. Instead of 'high fives' for shooting any "hadji" - heap shame on anyone who shoots a non-combatant. Refer to them as "Mothers" "Fathers" and "Children" instead of "hadjis." Okay, it's probably necessary to dehumanize enemy soldiers, but make a hard and fast distinction between soldiers and civilians.

Also spend some of that psych research time figuring out how to deprogram soldiers and turn them back into civilians.

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Ann propogates Another Liberal Lie
Posted by: EagleX on Apr 6, 2009 4:39 PM   
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121 murders committed by war veterans represent about a 7.08/100,000 rate” at the low end and 10/100,000 at the high end.

Placed into context, “the US offender rate for homicide in the 18 - 24 yo range is 26.5/100,000. For 25 - 34, it’s 13.5/100,000.”


The automatons that believe everything that these liberal handwringers and propagandists spew should try verifying this nonsense through factual and logic means.

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Lessons from history
Posted by: jimbee on Apr 6, 2009 4:52 PM   
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This is a very old story; here's a few tidbits from a book I read a while back:

"The return of demobilized troops after the Treaty of Ryswick produced a crime wave just as the eighteenth century commenced ... After the Treaty of Utrecht in 1713, and the release of a fresh horde of ex-soldiers, an even greater crime wave built up in London and the home counties, reaching a crest in the early 1720s. ... The next outburst of hyperactivity by highwaymen came at the end of the War of Austrian Succession in 1748. Ex-soldiers, their skills honed in eight years of international warfare, returned to plague the capital. It was the boldness of the new breed of highwaymen that so astonished and frightened the wealthy burghers. ... Yet it was the war with the American colonists that produced arguably the century's greatest efflorescence of highway robbery. This conflict had more serious consequences for English society than the continental wars with France ..." [Crime and Punishment in Eighteenth-Century England, by Frank McLynn, p. 78-80]

More recent wars have had similar consequences.

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what happen?
Posted by: om7buss on Apr 6, 2009 6:59 PM   
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with support your (our) troops? they are being drugged to the extremed, make head sugeries that they don't need; all these in order that they come home, they would be in-defense, against the real power of satan...www.henrybook.com

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THey're coming back?
Posted by: Philor on Apr 7, 2009 4:33 AM   
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Oh, so the people who signed up to go kill ill-equipped third world people, the same ones I witnessed having fun, yes having fun killing dogs in Iraq, not properly identifying theirs targets are back?
Good, I think I can buy an AK-47 for $ 700 in this country. Good thing. As soon as a guy who thought it was OK to go kill people just because King George said so is out of line I'll fire first.
Give me a break people! How do you deal with animals who think killing is a job? You control them, you don't try to save them. Naiveness at his worse here.

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It's the military, what can one expect...
Posted by: bigbry65 on Apr 7, 2009 9:57 PM   
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It truly takes a feeble mind, that can be easily reprogrammed and remolded into a desensitized killing machine. And these are the sad drawbacks of doing such, and as far as the military is concerned, these are just some of the negatives in creating the ultimate soldier. It is an organization who specializes in VIOLENCE, inflicting pain...absolutely nothing is gained by war. The cost is far greater than the blood shed on the battlefield

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These "side-effects" were very easy to predict.
Posted by: Burtonger on Apr 8, 2009 9:31 AM   
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Many people knew this would happen remembering the Vietnam vets and it's logical because when "soldiers" are designed to kill so effectively and are sent to an immoral,illegal and criminal war they come home severely damaged physically and mentally.
How can they be deprogrammed from the hell they have experienced and KARMA will prevail,"do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
The machine eats itself and I'm not being insensitive because I wish these wars did not ever happen.

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Easy way to Stop the Killing
Posted by: Pop on Apr 10, 2009 8:27 PM   
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The easiest and best way to stop the killing is to stop training our soldiers to kill innocent people in the Middle East that are only fighting to defend themselves from the US invading Armies. A good example also would be to hold the Bush Regime responsible for their lies and manipulation of intelligence in their conspiracy to invade both Afghanistan and Iraq.

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