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Rihanna and Domestic Violence: How We Are Messing Up a Teachable Moment

Rihanna's abuse has sparked a national discussion about domestic violence. Unfortunately, most of it is offensive and unproductive.
March 19, 2009  |  
 
 
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Pop star Rihanna's beating by boyfriend Chris Brown sparked a national conversation about intimate partner abuse, a tragic issue that rarely makes it into the national spotlight despite the millions of women (and some men) who fall victim to domestic violence every year.

According to the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, women are the victims of about 4.8 million physical assaults and rapes by their partners every year. Less than 20 percent of battered women seek medical treatment following an injury.

According to the Journal of the American Medical Association:

 ... domestic violence is the leading cause of injury to women between the ages of 15 and 44, more common than automobile accidents, muggings, and cancer deaths combined. Other research has found that half of all women will experience some form of violence from their partners during marriage, and that more than one-third are battered repeatedly every year.

Rihanna's celebrity pushed the issue to the forefront of our national conversation; unfortunately, most of the dialogue surrounding the incident hasn't done much to advance an intelligent, empathetic discussion about the problem.

In fact, when news first broke, a number of celebrities lined up behind Brown with glib statements of support for the alleged abuser.

Rapper T.I. said, "Hey man, you people gotta remember, we celebrities and we entertainers but we still human. All of us...Don't expect us not to make mistakes 'cause we will."

Soulja Boy blamed the media for the incident, saying, "I hope everything works out for the best! Chris hold it down homie, you know how the media gets!!"

Kanye West also urged fans to give Brown a pass. "Can't we give Chris a break? I know I make mistakes in life."

When a leaked photo of Rihanna's battered face hit the scene, many of Brown's erstwhile supporters backpedaled. But, as many feminist commentators pointed out, the release of the photo itself was a breach of Rihanna's privacy and yet another symptom of our culture's insensitivity to domestic violence. Cara at Feministe wrote:

On the subject of all of this: Just Stop It. It's bad enough that her name was released, when it should not have been. This woman was clearly attacked, in what is very strongly believed to be an intimate partner violence incident.

She is dealing with more than enough, and more than she or any other woman should ever have to deal with.

Every woman deserves some sense of privacy in a situation like this, no matter how famous she is. Every woman in this situation deserves our support.

And every woman in this situation should get to decide for herself how public she wants to be about it and whether or not she is portrayed in this way.

Not you. Not me. Not some stupid entertainment Web site that clearly just wants to make a profit.

Just her. Her, and only her.

But Rihanna's celebrity, combined with our screwed-up ideas about gender and domestic violence, appears to have made a reasoned dialogue -- one that looks at the issue seriously and is also respectful to Rihanna's humanity --- difficult to find.

Amid reports that Rihanna returned to Chris Brown, much of the conversation shifted to the question "Why doesn't she just leave?" It seem reasonable enough to wonder why a battered woman would stay with an abuser. But it's also essential to consider the complicated power dynamics undergirding abusive relationships, which make it difficult for victims to leave their abusers; on average, it takes a battered women six attempts to escape her partner for good.

Amanda Marcotte further explains why this is the wrong question to ask in domestic violence situations, writing:

A major reason men beat women is because we ask, "Why doesn't she leave?" In fact, abusers often taunt their victims with just this question, because they grasp the psychological power of it, the sexism and the self-esteem erosion behind it, and they are happy to use it as a part of their arsenal to demoralize the victim and make her think she doesn't deserve better. So every time we ask that, we have to ask ourselves why we don't believe that society coddles batterers, when we are engaging in batterer assistance ourselves.


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Does a couple fighting merit more media-attention than Iraq-deaths?
Posted by: Ullern on Mar 19, 2009 1:23 AM   
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Does a couple fighting merit more media-attention than Iraq-deaths? - I don't know what's happened there. Did she do anything to him? Was the response in or out of proportion? How can we really judge, from sensationalist reports?

I don't even really know who these people are, Rihanna whatever and this Chris Brown. I'm sure I never met them. Rihanna looks pretty - should that guarantee my pity? Why should I care what they do to each other at home? If they have an S/M-streaked relationship, is it anyone's business to intrude? Am I being un-PC asking that? In a society as extrovertly violent as the USA, should there be a surprise people are violent to each other? Doesn't it rather follow? What's best/worst of physical violence and other forms of confrontation or lack or confrontation? I know I'd prefer an honest slap in the face to a deceptive betrayal in revenge, is that wrong of me? Who's to judge my preference but me? Why should anyone know better than Rihanna herself what's best for her?

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Worse than useless...
Posted by: Q30 on Mar 19, 2009 2:43 AM   
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...is when one pays attention *only* to feminists on the issue of domestic violence.

They refuse to acknowledge about 20 years of research on the matter because it contradicts the ideological worldview they cling to.

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A Deeply Entrenched Acceptance
Posted by: Todd Kimmell on Mar 19, 2009 4:34 AM   
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From my personal observance and not from studies or statistics, I sense a deeply entrenched acceptance of a level of domestic violence within the African American community that would not be and is not tolerated in non African American ethnic groups.

The lyrics of AIN'T NOBODY'S BUSINESS are often cleaned up, as in Susan Tedeshci's version, but the original looks the issue straight in the eye as a common reality and doesn't blink...

Well I'd rather my man would hit me
Than to haul right up and quit me.
It ain't nobody's business if I do.

I swear I won't call no copper
If I gets beat up by my poppa.
It ain't nobody's business if I do, Lord no.
Well, it ain't nobody's business if I do.

Also from my observance and not from a career spent studying the issue, there are simply abusive men who are sick and sadistic, and take that out on those around them when given whatever excuse they feel justifies their foray into violence. Then there are couples who fight in a way that is like a dance they've rehearsed, that they've likely learned by watching others over the years, others who were never counseled to expect different from each other. The dance is made of equal partners going at each other, until it is ended in a way both know is coming. The man beats up the woman. Dance over.

It is the latter example that the rappers quoted can draw from their personal and cultural experience and say perhaps it is not just the man hitting the woman. Perhaps up until the moment of physical violence, both partners were full participants in exactly the kind of dance that both know will end in the culturally prescribed violent finish.

This is not to say it is in any way acceptable, but the mostly non African American readership of this newsletter needs to see it from their perspective, and know that change must come from the African American community.

I have not been following Oprah and others' reaction, though I believe they have attempted to seize the moment as a teaching moment.

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You ain't seen nothing yet
Posted by: fred_53_99 on Mar 19, 2009 5:19 AM   
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I coached in two inner city high schools for 7 years. I noticed that the young men liked to wrestle , body slam and box the girls. Mind you this is ages 14 to 18. Over the years I noticed this seems to be a trend, at least amoung Black teens the idea of violence against women.There's a twist a girl doesn't even have to be in a realationship to be manhandled by a young man.I have no reasons, perhaps it's resentment of perceived power women have or maybe it's the 24/7 obectification of women as sexual slaves in rap music(quick name a women rapper).This I do know there once was a feminists movement in this country where the Hell is it now. Hey Im a guy here's a clue "if a man hits you once , it's a habit"

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» Saw it as well... Posted by: BCcovers

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Rihanna's just a richie rich whore. She'll do fine.
Posted by: Zipidee DooDah & Dipidee DooDog on Mar 19, 2009 5:28 AM   
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Besides, there are also a growing number of men being subjected to spousal abuse by their bullying wives. Fuck, Abraham Lincoln was abused by his wife Mary Todd Lincoln but then again he was nice and skinny while she was rude and fat !

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Leslie Morgan Steiner
Posted by: Leslie Morgan Steiner on Mar 19, 2009 6:14 AM   
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I hope Rihanna can leave for good, but I know it's hard.

It took me four years to leave my abuser.

My story is on YouTube under Leslie Morgan Steiner.

link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEsElsHrvC0

I wanted to use my real name because I don't think anyone should be ashamed of being an abusive love victim.

If you want to share your story (anonymously or with your real name), visit the Crazy Love Project by coming to my website at www.lesliemorgansteiner.com

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» WRONG question. Posted by: CarlaWaters
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Blaming African Americans
Posted by: Ladydog on Mar 19, 2009 6:48 AM   
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For Christ's sake! I just love the bigots here pointing the finger at black people only for domestic violence. DV and the misogyny it stems from happen in all classes and among all races and ethnicities and religious groups.

I came from a working to middle class WHITE town, and saw and heard too many stories of friends, neighbors and acquaintances suffering from DV. Unfortunately, the common response from people was, "She must have done something to deserve it", outright denial, or in one particularly gruesome case of a good friend, her parents (devout Catholics) admonishing her in her hospital bed that her place was with her husband, and to go home and make things better so he wouldn't do it again (not an uncommon sentiment among my townies, either).

And we wonder why so many women return to their abusers with attitudes still prevalent like that. There is tremendous social pressure exerted by all these groups, for different reasons, perhaps, on the woman to return to her abuser. This is a factor often overlooked, as we like to completely "personalize" the reasons why a women would go back to an abuser. God forbid we collectively examine our own complicity for the continuing violence. Thus, like poverty, lack of health insurance, costly and immoral wars where your kids aren't drafted and other societal maladies, DV continues to be yet another "not my problem" issue for most Americans, until it hits home.

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Our problem is Universal disrespect for females
Posted by: luzmejor on Mar 19, 2009 7:47 AM   
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Marriage is an imitation of a buyer/slave arrangement, so none of us should be surprised that women are terrified to see what has actually happened to them in bad marriages.

Who wouldn't be terrified to know that whatever happens to them, they are the victims who will always be despised and blamed?

Most of our children are growing up with those same nasty attitudes that people who care for others are simply dunces, so they conclude it is reasonable to treat them like dirt.

But, we all have raised our children with the proper respect for human beings, haven't we?

Wake up, folks. Your children are being raised with the so-called morality of kids in High School, so how can we be surprised when their marriages turn out like this?

In reality, males in every family are generally treated like visiting royalty and the girls are the servants of everyone, even strangers. You can blame this on everyone and anyone in our culture, but at least don't be afraid to know that it is not the fault of any of the victims.

I blame most of it on the so-called mores of the industrial revolution that popularized money-worship but the victim-blaming started with Adam and Eve.

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leaving the abuser
Posted by: sureshot45 on Mar 19, 2009 7:55 AM   
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i have no personal experience with domestic violence, but from what i have read and seen it is incredibly difficult for women to escape the cycle of abuse. often times these women are cut off slowly from friends and family and do not have any money of their own. also..the old 'if you leave me, ill kill you' threat that often times comes true for these women.

even if a woman is being abused by her husband or boyfriend, often times this is the lesser of two evils..if the other choice for her and her children is a womens shelter or homelessness or the threat of death.

the whole situation with rhianna is slightly different than for that of the average women. she has her own money. her own bodyguards. her own incredibly successful career. if she were to leave, she would not find herself in financial hardship whatsoever. she would not find herself without a support group. she could leave and never look book and live a long successful life. ive never been in her situation, so i cant say..but in my opinion she does have a better situation that the majority of victims of dv.

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Rihanna should shut up and buy a gun and learn to self-defend herself like I did and I'm not rich !
Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Mar 19, 2009 8:01 AM   
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Never mind. Money clouds judgement. Like pols like celebrities !

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dory
Posted by: dorym930 on Mar 19, 2009 8:02 AM   
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unless this has happened to YOU...you have NO idea what happens!....i was attacked by my ex-husband....he tried to kill me.... 3 times....oh, i got the restraining orders....and he got bail....and came after me WORSE...each time... we went to trial...and since he was a former professional baseball player... and hometown "boy made good"..(ha!)....i was branded and evil witch, who made it all up...and he got away with it....long story short....people believe what they want to believe....and, we victims don't have a prayer....from the first 911 call...it was always HIS rights....not mine....i had to get a schutsund attack dog, a fancy alarm system...(which didn't work when he cut my phone lines)...and have to live in fear....every single day of my life.... the victims are victimized further by the "justice system"....the press...and ignorant people....the victim is forced to "hide" or leave....WHY?????...why doesn't the attacker have to change his whole life... intead of the victim.... this horror will continue...as long as the dynamic repeats itself....we have a LONG way to go here!

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FYI
Posted by: wesymurray on Mar 19, 2009 10:16 AM   
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Domestic violence is a two way street. My ex-girlfriend slapped, punched, kicked, and threw things at me on numerous occassions...one time in front of police officers who tried to get me to press charges and when I wouldn't arrested her for drunk and disorderly. It bothers me greatly that DV is only ever talked about from the woman's perspective when numerous studies show nearly as many men report having experienced DV which, as it was in my case, is further compounded by a males sense of honor and reluctance to report such abuse.

Women are just as capable of violence as men as anyone who keeps up with the news should be well aware yet it's millions of women and "(some men)" when it should read millions of women and men. Also, because of mandatory arrest laws, where I to call 911 on a married spouse and claim she was abusing me it would most likely be me that winds up going to jail as there's always the assumption that the man is the concern even if he was the one who called the police.

I've noticed a disturbingly anti-male bias to Alternet's articles and a tendency to take their facts from organizations, such as NOW, that clearly have agendas and many of which's studies have been disproven by highly reputable universities such as Harvard and Regent University (just kidding). Go to Glennsacks.com to read further about these issues.

I'm not trying to downplay womens risks regarding spousal abuse I just think its absurd to pretend it only ever happens to women when I can recall numerous instances of females slapping and punching males, me included, with nary a word issued regarding that sort of behavior and that I personally have only ever seen DV from the female on to the male. My brother in law has been attacked by my sister also. I love Alternet but there really needs to be some balance to these articles, half of the population is male, yet it's always women this and women that and I know the tired line about womens oppression etc. but I personally have never oppressed a women and all of this male privilege is lost on me when I've spent nearly two years unemployed despite a solid work record and have never seen any privilege extended my way that I can think of, and I'm a white male, whodda thunk it?

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Domestic abuse is rampant in this nation,thanks to apathy and narcissism
Posted by: theblackgeorgecarlin on Mar 19, 2009 10:31 AM   
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I go to a college in Massachussetts right, and I have to tell you, domestic abuse is rampant. I'm a sophmore right know, and have already seen many instances of domestic abuse. In my first year as a freshman, one of my dormmates was a hotheaded midget punk who spoke with a thick Boston accent, who would, every night without fail,argue with his girlfriend loudly and occasionally hit her,because he believed she was cheating on her(even though he was cheating on her). Someone would always end up having to call the cops or the room advisor. I really considered confronting this asshole myself and beating him down. No one cared about this, even though most people knew it was happening, and I must admit, I was apart of the problem.
The next year, the current one, as a sophmore, my roommate was one of those asshole predatory "players" who seen it as a game to sleep with multiply girls. I don't know why,but I always been repulsed by that whole hooking up thing, not on religous grounds or anything, sex is just not that important to me,,not important enough to play some disgusting "numbers" game,I'm a tad bit asexual. This punk would always cheat on his girlfriend, and she knew it, and she would always stay over in my room, trying to make him "love" her again so he wouldn't cheat, not that it would work, he obviously doesn't love her, and he even hit her once. It was depressing, I even had to call the room advisor sometimes. Thankfully, he moved out at the end of the semester.
I think the reason domestic violence,but not just DV, all our relationship problems, are the result of our narcissistic and apathetic culture. Most people only care about themselves and maybe their immediate family,never about their neighbors, their community,and are willing to screw over anyone in their way to material success. Plus, our society portrays men as immature-sex obsessed horndogs, and that men shouldn't care about a relationship,just as much shallow sex as possibly(and increasingly,its the same for women). So for most people, a relationship isn't about because you actually like the person, its to feed their egos, about what their supposed to be as dictated by American pop culture. Our society, with its narcissism and materialism and apathy and cynicism,makes love,not just romantic,but also love of fellow citizens impossible,love and respect for human dignity, impossible.

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Isn't this now alternet's 3rd article about Rihanna?
Posted by: logansafi on Mar 19, 2009 10:34 AM   
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Pardon me, but I don't give a hoot one way or the other about her. I care more about if Oprah can keep that weight off, or not? I care more about if Rush can stay drug free, or not? I care more about OJ's safety in prison even!

What The Hell's wrong with alternet anyway? Inquiring minds would like to know? How many articles are you people going to run about Rihanna before you finally stop?

Are you going to discuss Milani Rose next and her current boyfriends? I hear she is a prostitute? ...oooh.. Can you keep us informed?

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Seems that the good citizens...
Posted by: Pirate1 on Mar 19, 2009 12:36 PM   
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Here are ambivalent about spousal abuse. Calling the victim a whore in one case, suggesting maybe they are an S&M couple, claiming that men can be abused by women, insinuating that it has something to do with race... nice. The point is, spousal abuse, no matter what the gender of the perpetrator, is wrong.

This woman, Rhianne, I know little about except for pictures of her on the tabloids by the check out counter at the store where I shop... I see no joy on her injured face... the fact that she went back to him shows she is caught up in that dynamic syndrome where the battered partner returns. I hope she gets into therapy and releases whatever nonsense makes her feel she desrves it or that she can somehow "help" the batterer by staying with him. He's probably told her "he can change", that he'll kill himself if she doesn't come back... all the classic bullshit. Run baby run or live with the pain.

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Dotted Line
Posted by: MSharp on Mar 19, 2009 8:55 PM   
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Is Rhianna becoming the Nancy Sykes
of music by constantly making excuses
for her own Bill Sykes, Chris Brown?

Will she do a cover of the classic
"As Long As He Needs Me?"

IMHO, the reconciliation is all about
business. Rihanna and Chris Brown
are commodities far beyond the fistacuffs.

They represents millions in investments
and there are those who have determined
that an outburst of violence and a serious
character flaw revealed will not stop
the money from flowing.

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We just don't admire weakness...
Posted by: Snurpa on Mar 24, 2009 2:03 AM   
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Well, I think it is just human nature to admire the strong and pity the weak. And what makes a person seem more pitiful than not standing up for herself? It is just asking too much of the public to not be critical of such sad sad weakness. Also, if a person doesn't like herself enough to protect herself and punish those who have hurt her, why are we supposed to like her?

It goes without saying that Chris beyond weak and pitiful...

I know I sound very harsh but the only way women can protect ourselves is to...PROTECT OURSELVES. 'Cause no one else cares.

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HERE IS A (rare) HATE CRIME 4 YA
Posted by: reelman on Mar 24, 2009 1:16 PM   
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Nine inmates charged with hate crimes after white prisoners beaten in Lafourche jail
02:08 PM CDT on Tuesday, March 24, 2009
Thomas Planchet / Eyewitness News

GALLIANO, La. - Nine inmates have been charged with hate crimes after two incidents that left a couple of white prisoners beaten unconscious in the Lafourche Parish Detention Center.

Lafourche Parish Sheriff's Office
James Ingram

Sheriff Craig Webre said that internal investigation showed that the attacks, which occurred on Monday, March 10 and Friday, March 13, were motivated solely by race. He said the investigation showed that a 28-year-old inmate, James Ingram, had made a statement that several white boys had to leave the cellblock "on their own or through the hospital."

According to the investigation, two inmates were beaten by a gang of eight shortly before midnight in the first attack and three were beaten by a group of seven prisoners in the second instance. In both cases, Webre said that the victims were immediately given medical attention.

Webre said one of the main issues facing the Detention Center is overcrowding. He said that the facility has a maximum population of 245 and that as many as 100 inmates have been parceled out to nearby parishes.


Those (BLACKS) charged in the beatings include:

- Antoine Baptiste (B/M, DOB 11/5/1975), 1 count hate crime/1 count 2nd degree battery

- Prentiss Davis (B/M, DOB 2/24/1975), 2 counts hate crimes/2 counts 2nd degree battery

- Scottywade Gisclair (W/M, DOB 2/4/1986), 1 count hate crime/1 count 2nd degree battery

- James Hester (B/M, DOB 2/6/1981), 2 counts hate crimes/2 counts 2nd degree battery

- James Ingram (B/M, DOB 5/9/1982), 3 counts hate crimes/3 counts 2nd degree battery

- Trent Robertson (B/M, DOB 12/9/1989), 3 counts hate crimes/3 counts 2nd degree battery

- Cadarren Turner (B/M, DOB 9/23/1988), 3 counts hate crimes/3 counts 2nd degree battery

- Ryan Zeringue (W/M, DOB 2/17/1985), 2 counts hate crimes/2 counts 2nd degree battery

- Calvin Hester (B/M, DOB 11/2/1979), 2 counts hate crimes/2 counts 2nd degree battery


Webre said two of those charged were white prisoners who claim they were intimidated into joining the beating or face a similar fate.

Also wanted in connection with the beatings are two prisoners who were released from jail on March 18. Webre said that arrest warrants would be issued for Jason Alexander, 29, and Sherrick Every, 21.

The Sheriff's Office said that the hate crime charges stem from the fact that the group 'banded together' to attack their victims.

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Half of Boston Teens Think She Deserved It?
Posted by: eyejam on Mar 26, 2009 11:13 PM   
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What kind of asinine survey is that? Any indication that these teens had a reasonably informed opinion? Or did they just watch Fox News? The greater offender in this case was the media outlet, not the teens.

One point the above author doesn't acknowledge: People hate those who (are perceived) to enable their own abuse, whatever the subtleties of the situation. Remember Hedda Nussbaum? Joel Steinberg's battered domestic partner who watched as he beat their adopted 6 year old daughter to death? Not before she allowed the child to lay dying on the bathroom floor for 8-10 hours. She may've been beaten to insanity--how else can you explain it?--yet, she still did not act. The public had little sympathy for her. Call it passive abuse on her part.

Maybe what Rhianna is doing to herself is also a kind of passive abuse. At some point, the victim has to act. This article seems to say that surrender is forgivable under any circumstances. That a (female) victim can reach a point beyond responsibility. I don't agree. For Rhianna, all she has to do is reach out.

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Does a couple fighting merit more media-attention than Iraq-deaths?
Posted by: Ullern on Mar 19, 2009 1:23 AM   
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Does a couple fighting merit more media-attention than Iraq-deaths? - I don't know what's happened there. Did she do anything to him? Was the response in or out of proportion? How can we really judge, from sensationalist reports?

I don't even really know who these people are, Rihanna whatever and this Chris Brown. I'm sure I never met them. Rihanna looks pretty - should that guarantee my pity? Why should I care what they do to each other at home? If they have an S/M-streaked relationship, is it anyone's business to intrude? Am I being un-PC asking that? In a society as extrovertly violent as the USA, should there be a surprise people are violent to each other? Doesn't it rather follow? What's best/worst of physical violence and other forms of confrontation or lack or confrontation? I know I'd prefer an honest slap in the face to a deceptive betrayal in revenge, is that wrong of me? Who's to judge my preference but me? Why should anyone know better than Rihanna herself what's best for her?

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Worse than useless...
Posted by: Q30 on Mar 19, 2009 2:43 AM   
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...is when one pays attention *only* to feminists on the issue of domestic violence.

They refuse to acknowledge about 20 years of research on the matter because it contradicts the ideological worldview they cling to.

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A Deeply Entrenched Acceptance
Posted by: Todd Kimmell on Mar 19, 2009 4:34 AM   
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From my personal observance and not from studies or statistics, I sense a deeply entrenched acceptance of a level of domestic violence within the African American community that would not be and is not tolerated in non African American ethnic groups.

The lyrics of AIN'T NOBODY'S BUSINESS are often cleaned up, as in Susan Tedeshci's version, but the original looks the issue straight in the eye as a common reality and doesn't blink...

Well I'd rather my man would hit me
Than to haul right up and quit me.
It ain't nobody's business if I do.

I swear I won't call no copper
If I gets beat up by my poppa.
It ain't nobody's business if I do, Lord no.
Well, it ain't nobody's business if I do.

Also from my observance and not from a career spent studying the issue, there are simply abusive men who are sick and sadistic, and take that out on those around them when given whatever excuse they feel justifies their foray into violence. Then there are couples who fight in a way that is like a dance they've rehearsed, that they've likely learned by watching others over the years, others who were never counseled to expect different from each other. The dance is made of equal partners going at each other, until it is ended in a way both know is coming. The man beats up the woman. Dance over.

It is the latter example that the rappers quoted can draw from their personal and cultural experience and say perhaps it is not just the man hitting the woman. Perhaps up until the moment of physical violence, both partners were full participants in exactly the kind of dance that both know will end in the culturally prescribed violent finish.

This is not to say it is in any way acceptable, but the mostly non African American readership of this newsletter needs to see it from their perspective, and know that change must come from the African American community.

I have not been following Oprah and others' reaction, though I believe they have attempted to seize the moment as a teaching moment.

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You ain't seen nothing yet
Posted by: fred_53_99 on Mar 19, 2009 5:19 AM   
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I coached in two inner city high schools for 7 years. I noticed that the young men liked to wrestle , body slam and box the girls. Mind you this is ages 14 to 18. Over the years I noticed this seems to be a trend, at least amoung Black teens the idea of violence against women.There's a twist a girl doesn't even have to be in a realationship to be manhandled by a young man.I have no reasons, perhaps it's resentment of perceived power women have or maybe it's the 24/7 obectification of women as sexual slaves in rap music(quick name a women rapper).This I do know there once was a feminists movement in this country where the Hell is it now. Hey Im a guy here's a clue "if a man hits you once , it's a habit"

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Rihanna's just a richie rich whore. She'll do fine.
Posted by: Zipidee DooDah & Dipidee DooDog on Mar 19, 2009 5:28 AM   
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Besides, there are also a growing number of men being subjected to spousal abuse by their bullying wives. Fuck, Abraham Lincoln was abused by his wife Mary Todd Lincoln but then again he was nice and skinny while she was rude and fat !

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Leslie Morgan Steiner
Posted by: Leslie Morgan Steiner on Mar 19, 2009 6:14 AM   
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I hope Rihanna can leave for good, but I know it's hard.

It took me four years to leave my abuser.

My story is on YouTube under Leslie Morgan Steiner.

link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEsElsHrvC0

I wanted to use my real name because I don't think anyone should be ashamed of being an abusive love victim.

If you want to share your story (anonymously or with your real name), visit the Crazy Love Project by coming to my website at www.lesliemorgansteiner.com

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Blaming African Americans
Posted by: Ladydog on Mar 19, 2009 6:48 AM   
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For Christ's sake! I just love the bigots here pointing the finger at black people only for domestic violence. DV and the misogyny it stems from happen in all classes and among all races and ethnicities and religious groups.

I came from a working to middle class WHITE town, and saw and heard too many stories of friends, neighbors and acquaintances suffering from DV. Unfortunately, the common response from people was, "She must have done something to deserve it", outright denial, or in one particularly gruesome case of a good friend, her parents (devout Catholics) admonishing her in her hospital bed that her place was with her husband, and to go home and make things better so he wouldn't do it again (not an uncommon sentiment among my townies, either).

And we wonder why so many women return to their abusers with attitudes still prevalent like that. There is tremendous social pressure exerted by all these groups, for different reasons, perhaps, on the woman to return to her abuser. This is a factor often overlooked, as we like to completely "personalize" the reasons why a women would go back to an abuser. God forbid we collectively examine our own complicity for the continuing violence. Thus, like poverty, lack of health insurance, costly and immoral wars where your kids aren't drafted and other societal maladies, DV continues to be yet another "not my problem" issue for most Americans, until it hits home.

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Our problem is Universal disrespect for females
Posted by: luzmejor on Mar 19, 2009 7:47 AM   
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Marriage is an imitation of a buyer/slave arrangement, so none of us should be surprised that women are terrified to see what has actually happened to them in bad marriages.

Who wouldn't be terrified to know that whatever happens to them, they are the victims who will always be despised and blamed?

Most of our children are growing up with those same nasty attitudes that people who care for others are simply dunces, so they conclude it is reasonable to treat them like dirt.

But, we all have raised our children with the proper respect for human beings, haven't we?

Wake up, folks. Your children are being raised with the so-called morality of kids in High School, so how can we be surprised when their marriages turn out like this?

In reality, males in every family are generally treated like visiting royalty and the girls are the servants of everyone, even strangers. You can blame this on everyone and anyone in our culture, but at least don't be afraid to know that it is not the fault of any of the victims.

I blame most of it on the so-called mores of the industrial revolution that popularized money-worship but the victim-blaming started with Adam and Eve.

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leaving the abuser
Posted by: sureshot45 on Mar 19, 2009 7:55 AM   
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i have no personal experience with domestic violence, but from what i have read and seen it is incredibly difficult for women to escape the cycle of abuse. often times these women are cut off slowly from friends and family and do not have any money of their own. also..the old 'if you leave me, ill kill you' threat that often times comes true for these women.

even if a woman is being abused by her husband or boyfriend, often times this is the lesser of two evils..if the other choice for her and her children is a womens shelter or homelessness or the threat of death.

the whole situation with rhianna is slightly different than for that of the average women. she has her own money. her own bodyguards. her own incredibly successful career. if she were to leave, she would not find herself in financial hardship whatsoever. she would not find herself without a support group. she could leave and never look book and live a long successful life. ive never been in her situation, so i cant say..but in my opinion she does have a better situation that the majority of victims of dv.

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Rihanna should shut up and buy a gun and learn to self-defend herself like I did and I'm not rich !
Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Mar 19, 2009 8:01 AM   
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Never mind. Money clouds judgement. Like pols like celebrities !

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dory
Posted by: dorym930 on Mar 19, 2009 8:02 AM   
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unless this has happened to YOU...you have NO idea what happens!....i was attacked by my ex-husband....he tried to kill me.... 3 times....oh, i got the restraining orders....and he got bail....and came after me WORSE...each time... we went to trial...and since he was a former professional baseball player... and hometown "boy made good"..(ha!)....i was branded and evil witch, who made it all up...and he got away with it....long story short....people believe what they want to believe....and, we victims don't have a prayer....from the first 911 call...it was always HIS rights....not mine....i had to get a schutsund attack dog, a fancy alarm system...(which didn't work when he cut my phone lines)...and have to live in fear....every single day of my life.... the victims are victimized further by the "justice system"....the press...and ignorant people....the victim is forced to "hide" or leave....WHY?????...why doesn't the attacker have to change his whole life... intead of the victim.... this horror will continue...as long as the dynamic repeats itself....we have a LONG way to go here!

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FYI
Posted by: wesymurray on Mar 19, 2009 10:16 AM   
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Domestic violence is a two way street. My ex-girlfriend slapped, punched, kicked, and threw things at me on numerous occassions...one time in front of police officers who tried to get me to press charges and when I wouldn't arrested her for drunk and disorderly. It bothers me greatly that DV is only ever talked about from the woman's perspective when numerous studies show nearly as many men report having experienced DV which, as it was in my case, is further compounded by a males sense of honor and reluctance to report such abuse.

Women are just as capable of violence as men as anyone who keeps up with the news should be well aware yet it's millions of women and "(some men)" when it should read millions of women and men. Also, because of mandatory arrest laws, where I to call 911 on a married spouse and claim she was abusing me it would most likely be me that winds up going to jail as there's always the assumption that the man is the concern even if he was the one who called the police.

I've noticed a disturbingly anti-male bias to Alternet's articles and a tendency to take their facts from organizations, such as NOW, that clearly have agendas and many of which's studies have been disproven by highly reputable universities such as Harvard and Regent University (just kidding). Go to Glennsacks.com to read further about these issues.

I'm not trying to downplay womens risks regarding spousal abuse I just think its absurd to pretend it only ever happens to women when I can recall numerous instances of females slapping and punching males, me included, with nary a word issued regarding that sort of behavior and that I personally have only ever seen DV from the female on to the male. My brother in law has been attacked by my sister also. I love Alternet but there really needs to be some balance to these articles, half of the population is male, yet it's always women this and women that and I know the tired line about womens oppression etc. but I personally have never oppressed a women and all of this male privilege is lost on me when I've spent nearly two years unemployed despite a solid work record and have never seen any privilege extended my way that I can think of, and I'm a white male, whodda thunk it?

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Domestic abuse is rampant in this nation,thanks to apathy and narcissism
Posted by: theblackgeorgecarlin on Mar 19, 2009 10:31 AM   
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I go to a college in Massachussetts right, and I have to tell you, domestic abuse is rampant. I'm a sophmore right know, and have already seen many instances of domestic abuse. In my first year as a freshman, one of my dormmates was a hotheaded midget punk who spoke with a thick Boston accent, who would, every night without fail,argue with his girlfriend loudly and occasionally hit her,because he believed she was cheating on her(even though he was cheating on her). Someone would always end up having to call the cops or the room advisor. I really considered confronting this asshole myself and beating him down. No one cared about this, even though most people knew it was happening, and I must admit, I was apart of the problem.
The next year, the current one, as a sophmore, my roommate was one of those asshole predatory "players" who seen it as a game to sleep with multiply girls. I don't know why,but I always been repulsed by that whole hooking up thing, not on religous grounds or anything, sex is just not that important to me,,not important enough to play some disgusting "numbers" game,I'm a tad bit asexual. This punk would always cheat on his girlfriend, and she knew it, and she would always stay over in my room, trying to make him "love" her again so he wouldn't cheat, not that it would work, he obviously doesn't love her, and he even hit her once. It was depressing, I even had to call the room advisor sometimes. Thankfully, he moved out at the end of the semester.
I think the reason domestic violence,but not just DV, all our relationship problems, are the result of our narcissistic and apathetic culture. Most people only care about themselves and maybe their immediate family,never about their neighbors, their community,and are willing to screw over anyone in their way to material success. Plus, our society portrays men as immature-sex obsessed horndogs, and that men shouldn't care about a relationship,just as much shallow sex as possibly(and increasingly,its the same for women). So for most people, a relationship isn't about because you actually like the person, its to feed their egos, about what their supposed to be as dictated by American pop culture. Our society, with its narcissism and materialism and apathy and cynicism,makes love,not just romantic,but also love of fellow citizens impossible,love and respect for human dignity, impossible.

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Isn't this now alternet's 3rd article about Rihanna?
Posted by: logansafi on Mar 19, 2009 10:34 AM   
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Pardon me, but I don't give a hoot one way or the other about her. I care more about if Oprah can keep that weight off, or not? I care more about if Rush can stay drug free, or not? I care more about OJ's safety in prison even!

What The Hell's wrong with alternet anyway? Inquiring minds would like to know? How many articles are you people going to run about Rihanna before you finally stop?

Are you going to discuss Milani Rose next and her current boyfriends? I hear she is a prostitute? ...oooh.. Can you keep us informed?

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Seems that the good citizens...
Posted by: Pirate1 on Mar 19, 2009 12:36 PM   
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Here are ambivalent about spousal abuse. Calling the victim a whore in one case, suggesting maybe they are an S&M couple, claiming that men can be abused by women, insinuating that it has something to do with race... nice. The point is, spousal abuse, no matter what the gender of the perpetrator, is wrong.

This woman, Rhianne, I know little about except for pictures of her on the tabloids by the check out counter at the store where I shop... I see no joy on her injured face... the fact that she went back to him shows she is caught up in that dynamic syndrome where the battered partner returns. I hope she gets into therapy and releases whatever nonsense makes her feel she desrves it or that she can somehow "help" the batterer by staying with him. He's probably told her "he can change", that he'll kill himself if she doesn't come back... all the classic bullshit. Run baby run or live with the pain.

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Dotted Line
Posted by: MSharp on Mar 19, 2009 8:55 PM   
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Is Rhianna becoming the Nancy Sykes
of music by constantly making excuses
for her own Bill Sykes, Chris Brown?

Will she do a cover of the classic
"As Long As He Needs Me?"

IMHO, the reconciliation is all about
business. Rihanna and Chris Brown
are commodities far beyond the fistacuffs.

They represents millions in investments
and there are those who have determined
that an outburst of violence and a serious
character flaw revealed will not stop
the money from flowing.

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We just don't admire weakness...
Posted by: Snurpa on Mar 24, 2009 2:03 AM   
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Well, I think it is just human nature to admire the strong and pity the weak. And what makes a person seem more pitiful than not standing up for herself? It is just asking too much of the public to not be critical of such sad sad weakness. Also, if a person doesn't like herself enough to protect herself and punish those who have hurt her, why are we supposed to like her?

It goes without saying that Chris beyond weak and pitiful...

I know I sound very harsh but the only way women can protect ourselves is to...PROTECT OURSELVES. 'Cause no one else cares.

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HERE IS A (rare) HATE CRIME 4 YA
Posted by: reelman on Mar 24, 2009 1:16 PM   
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Nine inmates charged with hate crimes after white prisoners beaten in Lafourche jail
02:08 PM CDT on Tuesday, March 24, 2009
Thomas Planchet / Eyewitness News

GALLIANO, La. - Nine inmates have been charged with hate crimes after two incidents that left a couple of white prisoners beaten unconscious in the Lafourche Parish Detention Center.

Lafourche Parish Sheriff's Office
James Ingram

Sheriff Craig Webre said that internal investigation showed that the attacks, which occurred on Monday, March 10 and Friday, March 13, were motivated solely by race. He said the investigation showed that a 28-year-old inmate, James Ingram, had made a statement that several white boys had to leave the cellblock "on their own or through the hospital."

According to the investigation, two inmates were beaten by a gang of eight shortly before midnight in the first attack and three were beaten by a group of seven prisoners in the second instance. In both cases, Webre said that the victims were immediately given medical attention.

Webre said one of the main issues facing the Detention Center is overcrowding. He said that the facility has a maximum population of 245 and that as many as 100 inmates have been parceled out to nearby parishes.


Those (BLACKS) charged in the beatings include:

- Antoine Baptiste (B/M, DOB 11/5/1975), 1 count hate crime/1 count 2nd degree battery

- Prentiss Davis (B/M, DOB 2/24/1975), 2 counts hate crimes/2 counts 2nd degree battery

- Scottywade Gisclair (W/M, DOB 2/4/1986), 1 count hate crime/1 count 2nd degree battery

- James Hester (B/M, DOB 2/6/1981), 2 counts hate crimes/2 counts 2nd degree battery

- James Ingram (B/M, DOB 5/9/1982), 3 counts hate crimes/3 counts 2nd degree battery

- Trent Robertson (B/M, DOB 12/9/1989), 3 counts hate crimes/3 counts 2nd degree battery

- Cadarren Turner (B/M, DOB 9/23/1988), 3 counts hate crimes/3 counts 2nd degree battery

- Ryan Zeringue (W/M, DOB 2/17/1985), 2 counts hate crimes/2 counts 2nd degree battery

- Calvin Hester (B/M, DOB 11/2/1979), 2 counts hate crimes/2 counts 2nd degree battery


Webre said two of those charged were white prisoners who claim they were intimidated into joining the beating or face a similar fate.

Also wanted in connection with the beatings are two prisoners who were released from jail on March 18. Webre said that arrest warrants would be issued for Jason Alexander, 29, and Sherrick Every, 21.

The Sheriff's Office said that the hate crime charges stem from the fact that the group 'banded together' to attack their victims.

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Half of Boston Teens Think She Deserved It?
Posted by: eyejam on Mar 26, 2009 11:13 PM   
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What kind of asinine survey is that? Any indication that these teens had a reasonably informed opinion? Or did they just watch Fox News? The greater offender in this case was the media outlet, not the teens.

One point the above author doesn't acknowledge: People hate those who (are perceived) to enable their own abuse, whatever the subtleties of the situation. Remember Hedda Nussbaum? Joel Steinberg's battered domestic partner who watched as he beat their adopted 6 year old daughter to death? Not before she allowed the child to lay dying on the bathroom floor for 8-10 hours. She may've been beaten to insanity--how else can you explain it?--yet, she still did not act. The public had little sympathy for her. Call it passive abuse on her part.

Maybe what Rhianna is doing to herself is also a kind of passive abuse. At some point, the victim has to act. This article seems to say that surrender is forgivable under any circumstances. That a (female) victim can reach a point beyond responsibility. I don't agree. For Rhianna, all she has to do is reach out.

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