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We Are in the Midst of a Cultural Explosion Tied to 'Improving' the Body
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The following is an excerpt from the new book, "Bodies" by Susie Orbach (Picador, 2009).
Every day, my inbox, like most people's, fills with invitations to enlarge the size of my penis or my breasts, to purchase the pleasure and potency booster Viagra and to try the latest herbal or pharmaceutical preparation to lose weight. The exhortations have fooled the spam filter and the popular science pages, which too sing of implants and pills to augment body or brain and new methods of reproduction which bypass conventional biology. Meanwhile young girls can go on the Miss Bimbo website to create a virtual doll, keep it "waif" thin with diet pills and buy it breast implants and facelifts. They are being primed to be teenagers who will dream of new thighs, noses or breasts as they peruse magazines which display page after page of a look that only ten years ago still had the power to evoke horror in us as we recoiled at skeletal models reminiscent of famine victims. Simultaneously, government pronouncements grimly warn of an epidemic of obesity. Your body, all these phenomena shout, is your canvas to be fixed, remade and enhanced.
Join in. Enjoy. Be part of it.
As a practicing psychotherapist and psychoanalyst, I see the impact of calls for bodily transformations, enhancements and "perfectibility" in the consulting room. People do not necessarily come in with particular body troubles, but whatever their other emotional predicaments and conflicts, concern for the body is nearly always folded into them, as though it were perfectly commonplace to be telling a story in which body dissatisfaction is central. Like many of us, the people I work with wish to and do reshape their bodies in both small and dramatic ways. They find fault with their bodies and say it makes them feel better, more in control, to improve them. Like most of us, they do not like to believe that they are being unduly influenced by outside pressures and may disdain such an idea, with its crude sense of manipulation. Whether followers of fashion or health trends or not, we take for granted that looking good for ourselves will make us feel good. And yet there is a subtle tracery of outside urgings which works on us, creating a new and often dissatisfied relationship with our bodies.
The sense that biology need no longer be destiny is gaining ground and so it follows that where there is a (perceived) body problem, a body solution can be found. A belief in both the perfectible body and the notion that we should relish or at least accede to improving our own body has not, however, solved the problem. On the contrary, it has exaggerated the problem and contributed to what we observe today -- a progressively unstable body, a body which to an alarming degree is becoming a site of serious suffering and disorder.
Our bodies are increasingly being experienced as objects to be honed and worked on. Men are targeted with steroids, sexual aids and specific masculine-oriented diet products. Children's bodies, too. Photographers now offer digitally enhanced baby and child photos-correcting smiles, putting in or removing gaps between the teeth, straightening out wobbly knees, turning little girls into facsimiles of china dolls. The web addresses of these conjurors show no sense of irony, since they believe that enhancing photos is a version of natural beauty, the real thing. Girlie-sexy culture now entrances more rather than fewer of us. Putting the body on show and making it appear "attractive" are presented as fun, desirable and easily accessible.
Body beautiful and the goal of perfectibility have been democratised: invitingly set out as available to everyone in any country whatever their economic situation, the right body is trumpeted as a way of belonging in our world today. This democratic call for beauty, disconcertingly, wears an increasingly homogenised and homogenising form, with the images and names of the global style icons pressed on the lips and the eyes of the young and the not so young. While some people may be able to opt in and do so joyfully, a larger number cannot. For the democratic idea has not extended to aesthetic variation; instead the aesthetic has paradoxically become narrower over the last few decades. The slim aesthetic-with pecs for men and ample breasts for women-bedevils those who don't conform, and even those who do happen to fit can carry a sorrowful insecurity about their own bodies.
A constant fretfulness and vigilance take hold for many from the moment they wake until the time they fall asleep. Their bodies are on high alert. The norm has become to worry. In another time, we would have called such anxieties an illness and, seeing how many suffer, we would have called it an epidemic. But we don't. We have become so implicated in variants of body preoccupation ourselves, and girls and women in particular so colonised by it, that the preoccupation has become second natured-almost "natural" and invisible.
If, however, we do look, we see that the preoccupation with the body is disturbing in its capacity to affect almost an entire life, from childhood through to old age. Young boys' yearnings to emulate a great sportsman's agility are now focused on the desire for the look of a six-pack. Girls as young as four have been made bodily self-conscious and are striking sexy poses in their mirrors which are more chilling than charming, while greater numbers of women in old age homes are showing signs of long-term eating disorders. Few would say that such concerns come only from outside pressures. We experience the wish for more perfect bodies as our own desire, as indeed it is, yet it is hard to separate out the ways bodies are seen, talked about and written about and the effect of that on our personal perception of our own bodies and other bodies. In essence, this kind of focus makes the body today no longer something secure or ordinary in itself.
The body has become a new focus in both women's and men's lives. A new rhetoric of detox, weight training, brushing, irrigation, cleansing is proposed, inclining us to watchfulness and determination where our body is concerned. Those who had previously paid little heed to fashion or health now find themselves caught up in attempts to make the best of themselves and to take responsibility for their health and well-being. The individual is now deemed accountable for his or her body and judged by it. "Looking after oneself" is a moral value. The body is becoming akin to a worthy personal project.
Feature writers fill endless column inches with advice about how we should care for ourselves. Television programmes focus on the bonuses, the necessity and the moral superiority of paying attention to individual health and beauty. Politicians urge us to take personal responsibility. Meanwhile our visual world is being transformed through an intensification of images which represent the body and parts of the body in ways that artfully convey a sense that our own bodies are seriously in need of reshaping and updating. Without even noticing we may willingly accept the invitation, eager to stay up to date.
The preoccupation with thinness and beauty which has been eroding individual self-worth for years has recently been joined by another fixation: the rising rate of obesity. An ordinary reliance on one's body to signal its dietary needs appears to have evaporated, to be replaced by scrutiny and despair as one struggles to control a body now designated as rapacious. Diet companies are growing, with a newcomer, NutriSystem hitting the Fortune 500 fastest-growing companies as it moved from profits of $1 million in 2004 to $85 million in just two years. New gyms and health bars keep opening. New foods keep being invented. Magazines devoted to weight, shape and health expand their circulation. A relentless desire to reshape the body is evident everywhere. Cosmetic surgical procedures are occupying more of our television screens and our purses (with a growth rate of $1 billion a year), implying that resculpting is easy and an expression of self-worth. On top of all this, reproduction is being reconfigured: young women are freezing embryos for future use, having access to IVF at ever-younger ages, and a new phenomenon, the transgendered man, is reproducing.
Late capitalism has catapulted us out of centuries-old bodily practices which were centred on survival, procreation, the provision of shelter and the satisfaction of hunger. Now birthing, illness and ageing, while part of the ordinary cycle of life, are also events that can be interrupted or altered by personal endeavour in which one harnesses the medical advances and surgical restructurings on offer. Our body is judged as our individual production. We can fashion it through artifice, through the naturalistic routes of bio-organic products or through a combination of these, but whatever the means, our body is our calling card, vested with showing the results of our hard work and watchfulness or, alternatively, our failure and sloth. Where once the body of the manual worker could be easily identified through brawn and muscle, now it is the middle-class body that must show evidence of being worked on at the gym, through yoga or any number of body practices which aim to display what the individual has achieved through diligent exercise. For young people it is very much a case of take care or beware. Users of social networking sites often post unflattering pictures of individuals which are then "snarked" and negatively commented on. The rise of public bitching about the body is accompanied by the dissemination of images throughout the World Wide Web.
Commercial pressures delivered today by celebrity culture, branding and industries which make their profits by destabilizing the late-modern body have eradicated most of our prior feeling towards and understanding of the body. Our bodies no longer make things. In the West, robotics, mechanized farm equipment, pre-prepared goods from food to building packs, motorised transport, high-tech warfare and so on have replaced much ordinary physical activity and labour. We don't tend to repair things either, for mass production means it is cheaper to replace them. Our relations to the physical and physical work are shifting. Where working-class bodies were shaped by the musculature of heavy physical work, low-paid jobs in the service industry and computer-based jobs across the class spectrum leave no such physical indicators. Indeed, many of us have to make an effort to move about during the day or as we work. In an updating and democratising of the habit of the leisured classes (who didn't do physical labour) of decorating themselves as amusement and social marker, we are invited to take up this activity too. Thus we can observe something new occurring. Our bodies are and have become a form of work. The body is turning from being the means of production to the production itself.
Copyright 2009 by Susie Orbach. All rights reserved.
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Posted by: ladyoracle on Mar 6, 2009 2:32 AM
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But while it is important that we be aware of these transformations and thus take control over the extent to which we buy into them, I wonder if it's actually a problem if our bodies have become products rather than means of production? What else would we be other than products or means? We aren't a farm-based society anymore. My job is cerebral, and my body is incidental. If not a work of art that I mean through which to reflect something about myself, what else would my body be? Just nothing? You can't say "just you," because that's the problem right now. If our bodies are ourselves, these reflections of what we want the world to see of us, then we will most certainly continue to perfect them to the best of our ability, as we are always trying to also improve ourselves (I hope!).
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Posted by: Honky the Misanthrope on Mar 6, 2009 2:58 AM
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I’m sure someone will post some “diets don’t work” link. They’re right. Those “lose 20 pound per month while eating all of the crap you want” diets don’t work. Only by incorporating healthy eating habits and exercise into your life will you be able to have a non-revolting body.
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Posted by: nerissa on Mar 6, 2009 4:48 AM
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Or save the time and money of doing this experiment and read the statistics about plastic surgeries, weight loss, etc. For example, about 90% of women who have breast augmentation report satisfaction from the procedure. What about the 10% not satisfied? They see specialists like Dr. Orbach who erroneously considers them typical of the norm.
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Posted by: Gravitas on Mar 6, 2009 5:42 AM
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If that were not bad enough, there is the mass delusion achieving body "perfection" will solve all our problems. No need to organize, research, demonstrate, change the system. Once we are thin, or younger looking, or buffed, everything will magically fall into place. And since perfection won't happen for most people, if their lives don't get better, it is their own fault for not trying hard enough. Guilty, distracted populations that spend more time on the physical than the emotional or spiritual are far more easily manipulated. And if they are transferring billions to the power-elite in the process, all the better. Sometimes I really think I am on the wrong side! But that is only when I get dogged tired of gentile poverty!
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Posted by: Gravitas on Mar 6, 2009 5:56 AM
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BTW, judging is also a sin!
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Posted by: PaulK on Mar 6, 2009 6:27 AM
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If you don't want to listen then go smoke your cigarette.
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Posted by: artifax on Mar 6, 2009 6:31 AM
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What you've termed a "new rhetoric" has in fact been around for some of us for 30, 40, 50 years and is associated more (by us) with the normal needs and workings of the human body that most (including medical professionals) have ignored or been ignorant about. The common sense of detoxification, working out, nutrition, etc. is inescapable and, considering the costs of maintaining/treating the myriad breakdowns of the body resulting from neglect, our efforts at staying healthy are worth a go. Medicine offers little prevention, many questionable treatments and lots of expense, so why shouldn't we take responsibility for our health?
As a psychotherapist, I'm sure you see a lot of the insecure, obsessive extremes of this, but don't lump everyone in that category. Most of us are just doing what we can to keep doing what we can.
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Posted by: navy-vet on Mar 6, 2009 7:41 AM
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Aren't we here not for ourselves but to preserve the earth and its living beings, improve what we can, and join with others to help achieve the greatest good for the greatest number? So far as I know, we have only one life to do our stuff. So it seems more sensible to relax, be generally but not fanatically moderate in habit, and "follow our bliss" for fun. My bliss happens to be intellectual research and hands-on creativity; yours could be entirely different. When I'm not having fun, my attention is attracted a whole lot more on the world, not on my failures or sins or lapses of good sense or time-outs or dilettante tendencies, and occasionally I recall that the fate of us all is to die sooner or later.
"Que sera, sera, whatever will be, will be" was Mom's motto, and "Grudges are dumb, so don't stay angry at anyone" was Dad's. Both were sensible. I guess my motto is the opposite of Timothy Leary's. It's "Turn on to who's hurting, tune into what's helpful, drop IN." I'd rather be a do-gooder than a do-badder or do-nothing, and keep "doin'" every day for Mom's 85 years or Dad's 78, than worry about my own shortcomings for 100 robust years of youthful beauty. That's the only bit of wisdom I know, but it seems enough.
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Posted by: stellabloo on Mar 6, 2009 8:51 AM
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There is a difference between beauty and physical fitness but they are not mutually exclusive. As someone who used to be physically un-fit I can tell you I enjoy being able to do the things I want to do, not to mention all the other benefits. Fitness happens when you push your physical limits. We are not encouraged to push our mental and/or physical limits because that would decrease consumer spending!
What IF we didn't need a personal trainer and menu plan from Jenny Craig? Perish forbid! What IF we could just do some calisthenics at home and cook our own simple meals using seasonal vegetables? ACK! What IF women considered themselves attractive even without makeup and jewelry and high heels? Society as we know it would implode.
We are obsessed with our superficial appearance because we are spiritually bankrupt. We are not taught to believe in inner resources, only outside authority (be it the company president or the priest or the psychoanalyst). Our self-esteem is based, not on self-worth but the worth given to us by others. Gnawing insecurity is the chief hallmark of the perfect consumer rat.
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Posted by: Libertine on Mar 6, 2009 10:25 AM
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Oddly enough, however, there is no similar hue and cry about the declining level of mental fitness in our country; at least, not anywhere near the level of hand-wringing that goes on about physical fitness.
You can't go through a supermarket checkout line without seeing tabloids and magazines ragging on the physically unfit on a weekly basis. But you never see headlines about the dumbing down of our schools, the decline of science education during the Bush years, the decline of reading for pleasure, and so on.
While eating right and regular moderate exercise are both good things worth pursuing, they are not moral issues and they are most certainly not more important than maintaining one's mental fitness. The brain, like the body, also is a "use it or lose it" kind of a deal.
After eight years of a dimwitted president and a decline in education, it's time that mental fitness was put back on the front burner again. While people can get by with a moderate level of physical fitness -- not everyone needs to train to the level of a triathlete -- there's no such thing as too much mental fitness.
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Posted by: TheLimit on Mar 6, 2009 12:24 PM
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We also embrace the concept of perfect health, not to mention immortality, if you would believe the health insurers. They are certain that if only we behaved in a more virtuous manner, they'd never have to pay a cent out on health care, much less death benefits.
Ironically, this obsession with the perfect body and perfect health comes after fifty years of environmental poisons, refined foods, sedentary employment and other difficult to avoid health pitfalls.
But the problems all derive from the immoral behaviour of the victims. If we'd only shape up, we could be perfect in all possible ways. We'd never cost the insurers anything, we'd never waste our employers' time with sick days, we'd never be such poor skiiers as to break bones.
And If we were really virtuous, we'd spend all our hard earned cash on beautifiers, makeup, designer food and plastic surgery, so we could all look exactly like Jane Fonda.
What a wonderful world it would be.
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Posted by: jimidee on Mar 8, 2009 4:58 PM
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The author throws plastic surgery, anorexia, compulsive disorder, obesity, Jenny Craig, et. al., diet plans, gyms, playing physical sports, running, exercising all into the same category. Nothing could be further from the truth.
It is not a mental disorder to want to stay healthy...in fact the opposite is true. It is not an emotional problem to be athletic for one's entire life and taking pride in THAT...in fact the opposite is true. However, you could never tell it from the author's (and many poster's) sedentary perspective.
The author would have us believe that accepting sloth, being obese, exercising the brain while the body goes fallow, is perfectly natural instead of a symptom of emotional problems. The author seems to have convinced herself that any excess movement that may create perspiration is obsessive compulsive behavior. What a load of malarkey.
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Posted by: colleenwhalen on Mar 9, 2009 10:26 PM
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I absolutely am against eating disorder starvation fasting - but dating back to before recorded history - light cleanses in tune with the change of seasons. Aryuvedic Medicine, Traditional Chinese Medicine, Native American, Pacific Islander indigenous cultures ALL recommended lite fasting and sweat lodges to purify and cleanse the body. This has been going on for milleniums.
"Detox, weight training, brushing, cleansing" dates back to Ancient Greece and most indigenous wisdom cultures. I suppose the author never heard of Native American sweat lodges, ancient traditions in Scandinavia and Eastern Europe/Russian steam baths/eucalyptus leaves sweats. The science of modern Natural Hygiene began in the turn of the 19th-20th century in protest to the beginning of refined, processed foods created with the advent of the Industrial Revolution.
I grew up in Los Angeles. I went hiking in the San Gabriel Mountains with my dog and he got quite sick from thin air in the mountains and extremely polluted air - my dog was vomiting and dehydrated - I tried to help my dog - giving him water - but it didn't help. Then my dog started chewing LOTS of wild grasses. He had one last big regurgitation and detoxified all the smog/crud which had collected in the dog's body from breathing heavily polluted air.
Detox is a natural, unconscious HEALTHY life enhancing impulse. When we eat heavier, saltier foods in cold winter weather - it is natural to clean out our system with a lite spring fast - or juice fast - or eating dark, bitter greens like dandelion greens, dock, mustard. Spring leeks are a blood cleanser. Now WHAT is "new" and "Faddish" about that?
Considering all the toxic crud crap in the American junk food diet - 85% of supermarket food is GMO genetically engineered. 100% of it is sprayed with petrochemical based pesticides, herbicides, fungicides, trans fat, hydrogenated fat, high fructose corn syrup. About 36% of Americans are morbidly obese. A nation of lard buckets, sedentary - so what the heck is wrong with adopting holistic health paradigms and trying to cleanse our bodies?
I'd much rather take herbal medicine, go to yoga, tai chi, aerobics class, eat organic food than have a face pumped full of Botox, liposuction and plastic surgery.
Although the article does make some re-hashed tired, hackneyed old arguments against our cultural obsession with finding flaws in our bodies - this article completely is off base by trivializing holistic health modalities.
A classic "detox diet" is comprised by eating lots of fresh, organically grown, locally grown, in season fruits, vegetables, herbal teas - and a spring water/lemon juice/cayenne pepper/honey cleansing drink. Heck, any time I'd rather do THAT than go to HMO Western MD doctors who are just going to recommend pharmaceutical medications, highly invasive surgical procedures.
The author clearly knows next to nothing about holistic health. The biggest problem is it is a hackneyed, cliched article - bringing up issues that feminists have already covered quite succinctly and more articulately than this article. Dating back to the early 1960's, the feminist movement already addressed most of the issues in this poorly conceived article.
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Posted by: ladyoracle on Mar 6, 2009 2:32 AM
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But while it is important that we be aware of these transformations and thus take control over the extent to which we buy into them, I wonder if it's actually a problem if our bodies have become products rather than means of production? What else would we be other than products or means? We aren't a farm-based society anymore. My job is cerebral, and my body is incidental. If not a work of art that I mean through which to reflect something about myself, what else would my body be? Just nothing? You can't say "just you," because that's the problem right now. If our bodies are ourselves, these reflections of what we want the world to see of us, then we will most certainly continue to perfect them to the best of our ability, as we are always trying to also improve ourselves (I hope!).
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Posted by: Honky the Misanthrope on Mar 6, 2009 2:58 AM
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I’m sure someone will post some “diets don’t work” link. They’re right. Those “lose 20 pound per month while eating all of the crap you want” diets don’t work. Only by incorporating healthy eating habits and exercise into your life will you be able to have a non-revolting body.
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Posted by: nerissa on Mar 6, 2009 4:48 AM
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Or save the time and money of doing this experiment and read the statistics about plastic surgeries, weight loss, etc. For example, about 90% of women who have breast augmentation report satisfaction from the procedure. What about the 10% not satisfied? They see specialists like Dr. Orbach who erroneously considers them typical of the norm.
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Posted by: Gravitas on Mar 6, 2009 5:42 AM
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If that were not bad enough, there is the mass delusion achieving body "perfection" will solve all our problems. No need to organize, research, demonstrate, change the system. Once we are thin, or younger looking, or buffed, everything will magically fall into place. And since perfection won't happen for most people, if their lives don't get better, it is their own fault for not trying hard enough. Guilty, distracted populations that spend more time on the physical than the emotional or spiritual are far more easily manipulated. And if they are transferring billions to the power-elite in the process, all the better. Sometimes I really think I am on the wrong side! But that is only when I get dogged tired of gentile poverty!
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Posted by: Gravitas on Mar 6, 2009 5:56 AM
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BTW, judging is also a sin!
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Posted by: PaulK on Mar 6, 2009 6:27 AM
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If you don't want to listen then go smoke your cigarette.
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Posted by: artifax on Mar 6, 2009 6:31 AM
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What you've termed a "new rhetoric" has in fact been around for some of us for 30, 40, 50 years and is associated more (by us) with the normal needs and workings of the human body that most (including medical professionals) have ignored or been ignorant about. The common sense of detoxification, working out, nutrition, etc. is inescapable and, considering the costs of maintaining/treating the myriad breakdowns of the body resulting from neglect, our efforts at staying healthy are worth a go. Medicine offers little prevention, many questionable treatments and lots of expense, so why shouldn't we take responsibility for our health?
As a psychotherapist, I'm sure you see a lot of the insecure, obsessive extremes of this, but don't lump everyone in that category. Most of us are just doing what we can to keep doing what we can.
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Posted by: navy-vet on Mar 6, 2009 7:41 AM
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Aren't we here not for ourselves but to preserve the earth and its living beings, improve what we can, and join with others to help achieve the greatest good for the greatest number? So far as I know, we have only one life to do our stuff. So it seems more sensible to relax, be generally but not fanatically moderate in habit, and "follow our bliss" for fun. My bliss happens to be intellectual research and hands-on creativity; yours could be entirely different. When I'm not having fun, my attention is attracted a whole lot more on the world, not on my failures or sins or lapses of good sense or time-outs or dilettante tendencies, and occasionally I recall that the fate of us all is to die sooner or later.
"Que sera, sera, whatever will be, will be" was Mom's motto, and "Grudges are dumb, so don't stay angry at anyone" was Dad's. Both were sensible. I guess my motto is the opposite of Timothy Leary's. It's "Turn on to who's hurting, tune into what's helpful, drop IN." I'd rather be a do-gooder than a do-badder or do-nothing, and keep "doin'" every day for Mom's 85 years or Dad's 78, than worry about my own shortcomings for 100 robust years of youthful beauty. That's the only bit of wisdom I know, but it seems enough.
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Posted by: stellabloo on Mar 6, 2009 8:51 AM
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There is a difference between beauty and physical fitness but they are not mutually exclusive. As someone who used to be physically un-fit I can tell you I enjoy being able to do the things I want to do, not to mention all the other benefits. Fitness happens when you push your physical limits. We are not encouraged to push our mental and/or physical limits because that would decrease consumer spending!
What IF we didn't need a personal trainer and menu plan from Jenny Craig? Perish forbid! What IF we could just do some calisthenics at home and cook our own simple meals using seasonal vegetables? ACK! What IF women considered themselves attractive even without makeup and jewelry and high heels? Society as we know it would implode.
We are obsessed with our superficial appearance because we are spiritually bankrupt. We are not taught to believe in inner resources, only outside authority (be it the company president or the priest or the psychoanalyst). Our self-esteem is based, not on self-worth but the worth given to us by others. Gnawing insecurity is the chief hallmark of the perfect consumer rat.
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Posted by: Libertine on Mar 6, 2009 10:25 AM
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Oddly enough, however, there is no similar hue and cry about the declining level of mental fitness in our country; at least, not anywhere near the level of hand-wringing that goes on about physical fitness.
You can't go through a supermarket checkout line without seeing tabloids and magazines ragging on the physically unfit on a weekly basis. But you never see headlines about the dumbing down of our schools, the decline of science education during the Bush years, the decline of reading for pleasure, and so on.
While eating right and regular moderate exercise are both good things worth pursuing, they are not moral issues and they are most certainly not more important than maintaining one's mental fitness. The brain, like the body, also is a "use it or lose it" kind of a deal.
After eight years of a dimwitted president and a decline in education, it's time that mental fitness was put back on the front burner again. While people can get by with a moderate level of physical fitness -- not everyone needs to train to the level of a triathlete -- there's no such thing as too much mental fitness.
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Posted by: TheLimit on Mar 6, 2009 12:24 PM
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We also embrace the concept of perfect health, not to mention immortality, if you would believe the health insurers. They are certain that if only we behaved in a more virtuous manner, they'd never have to pay a cent out on health care, much less death benefits.
Ironically, this obsession with the perfect body and perfect health comes after fifty years of environmental poisons, refined foods, sedentary employment and other difficult to avoid health pitfalls.
But the problems all derive from the immoral behaviour of the victims. If we'd only shape up, we could be perfect in all possible ways. We'd never cost the insurers anything, we'd never waste our employers' time with sick days, we'd never be such poor skiiers as to break bones.
And If we were really virtuous, we'd spend all our hard earned cash on beautifiers, makeup, designer food and plastic surgery, so we could all look exactly like Jane Fonda.
What a wonderful world it would be.
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Posted by: jimidee on Mar 8, 2009 4:58 PM
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The author throws plastic surgery, anorexia, compulsive disorder, obesity, Jenny Craig, et. al., diet plans, gyms, playing physical sports, running, exercising all into the same category. Nothing could be further from the truth.
It is not a mental disorder to want to stay healthy...in fact the opposite is true. It is not an emotional problem to be athletic for one's entire life and taking pride in THAT...in fact the opposite is true. However, you could never tell it from the author's (and many poster's) sedentary perspective.
The author would have us believe that accepting sloth, being obese, exercising the brain while the body goes fallow, is perfectly natural instead of a symptom of emotional problems. The author seems to have convinced herself that any excess movement that may create perspiration is obsessive compulsive behavior. What a load of malarkey.
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Posted by: colleenwhalen on Mar 9, 2009 10:26 PM
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I absolutely am against eating disorder starvation fasting - but dating back to before recorded history - light cleanses in tune with the change of seasons. Aryuvedic Medicine, Traditional Chinese Medicine, Native American, Pacific Islander indigenous cultures ALL recommended lite fasting and sweat lodges to purify and cleanse the body. This has been going on for milleniums.
"Detox, weight training, brushing, cleansing" dates back to Ancient Greece and most indigenous wisdom cultures. I suppose the author never heard of Native American sweat lodges, ancient traditions in Scandinavia and Eastern Europe/Russian steam baths/eucalyptus leaves sweats. The science of modern Natural Hygiene began in the turn of the 19th-20th century in protest to the beginning of refined, processed foods created with the advent of the Industrial Revolution.
I grew up in Los Angeles. I went hiking in the San Gabriel Mountains with my dog and he got quite sick from thin air in the mountains and extremely polluted air - my dog was vomiting and dehydrated - I tried to help my dog - giving him water - but it didn't help. Then my dog started chewing LOTS of wild grasses. He had one last big regurgitation and detoxified all the smog/crud which had collected in the dog's body from breathing heavily polluted air.
Detox is a natural, unconscious HEALTHY life enhancing impulse. When we eat heavier, saltier foods in cold winter weather - it is natural to clean out our system with a lite spring fast - or juice fast - or eating dark, bitter greens like dandelion greens, dock, mustard. Spring leeks are a blood cleanser. Now WHAT is "new" and "Faddish" about that?
Considering all the toxic crud crap in the American junk food diet - 85% of supermarket food is GMO genetically engineered. 100% of it is sprayed with petrochemical based pesticides, herbicides, fungicides, trans fat, hydrogenated fat, high fructose corn syrup. About 36% of Americans are morbidly obese. A nation of lard buckets, sedentary - so what the heck is wrong with adopting holistic health paradigms and trying to cleanse our bodies?
I'd much rather take herbal medicine, go to yoga, tai chi, aerobics class, eat organic food than have a face pumped full of Botox, liposuction and plastic surgery.
Although the article does make some re-hashed tired, hackneyed old arguments against our cultural obsession with finding flaws in our bodies - this article completely is off base by trivializing holistic health modalities.
A classic "detox diet" is comprised by eating lots of fresh, organically grown, locally grown, in season fruits, vegetables, herbal teas - and a spring water/lemon juice/cayenne pepper/honey cleansing drink. Heck, any time I'd rather do THAT than go to HMO Western MD doctors who are just going to recommend pharmaceutical medications, highly invasive surgical procedures.
The author clearly knows next to nothing about holistic health. The biggest problem is it is a hackneyed, cliched article - bringing up issues that feminists have already covered quite succinctly and more articulately than this article. Dating back to the early 1960's, the feminist movement already addressed most of the issues in this poorly conceived article.
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