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Moyers: 'Democracy in America Is a Series of Narrow Escapes, and We May Be Running Out of Luck'

By Bill Moyers, Doubleday. Posted May 17, 2008.


For all of America's shortcomings, we keep telling ourselves, "The system works." Now all bets are off.
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The following is an excerpt from Bill Moyers' new book, "Moyers on Democracy" (Doubleday, 2008).

Democracy in America is a series of narrow escapes, and we may be running out of luck. The reigning presumption about the American experience, as the historian Lawrence Goodwyn has written, is grounded in the idea of progress, the conviction that the present is "better" than the past and the future will bring even more improvement. For all of its shortcomings, we keep telling ourselves, "The system works."

Now all bets are off. We have fallen under the spell of money, faction, and fear, and the great American experience in creating a different future together has been subjugated to individual cunning in the pursuit of wealth and power -and to the claims of empire, with its ravenous demands and stuporous distractions. A sense of political impotence pervades the country -- a mass resignation defined by Goodwyn as "believing the dogma of 'democracy' on a superficial public level but not believing it privately." We hold elections, knowing they are unlikely to bring the corporate state under popular control. There is considerable vigor at local levels, but it has not been translated into new vistas of social possibility or the political will to address our most intractable challenges. Hope no longer seems the operative dynamic of America, and without hope we lose the talent and drive to cooperate in the shaping of our destiny.

The earth we share as our common gift, to be passed on in good condition to our children's children, is being despoiled. Private wealth is growing as public needs increase apace. Our Constitution is perilously close to being consigned to the valley of the shadow of death, betrayed by a powerful cabal of secrecy-obsessed authoritarians. Terms like "liberty" and "individual freedom" invoked by generations of Americans who battled to widen the 1787 promise to "promote the general welfare" have been perverted to create a government primarily dedicated to the welfare of the state and the political class that runs it. Yes, Virginia, there is a class war and ordinary people are losing it. It isn't necessary to be a Jeremiah crying aloud to a sinful Jerusalem that the Lord is about to afflict them for their sins of idolatry, or Cassandra, making a nuisance of herself as she wanders around King Priam's palace grounds wailing "The Greeks are coming." Or Socrates, the gadfly, stinging the rump of power with jabs of truth. Or even Paul Revere, if horses were still in fashion. You need only be a reporter with your eyes open to see what's happening to our democracy. I have been lucky enough to spend my adult life as a journalist, acquiring a priceless education in the ways of the world, actually getting paid to practice one of my craft's essential imperatives: connect the dots.

The conclusion that we are in trouble is unavoidable. I report the assault on nature evidenced in coal mining that tears the tops off mountains and dumps them into rivers, sacrificing the health and lives of those in the river valleys to short-term profit, and I see a link between that process and the stock-market frenzy which scorns long-term investments -- genuine savings -- in favor of quick turnovers and speculative bubbles whose inevitable bursting leaves insiders with stuffed pockets and millions of small stockholders, pensioners, and employees out of work, out of luck, and out of hope.

And then I see a connection between those disasters and the repeal of sixty-year-old banking and securities regulations designed during the Great Depression to prevent exactly that kind of human and economic damage. Who pushed for the removal of that firewall? An administration and Congress who are the political marionettes of the speculators, and who are well rewarded for their efforts with indispensable campaign contributions. Even honorable opponents of the practice get trapped in the web of an electoral system that effectively limits competition to those who can afford to spend millions in their run for office. Like it or not, candidates know that the largesse on which their political futures depend will last only as long as their votes are satisfactory to the sleek "bundlers" who turn the spigots of cash on and off.

The property qualifications for federal office that the framers of the Constitution expressly chose to exclude for demonstrating an unseemly "veneration for wealth" are now de facto in force and higher than the Founding Fathers could have imagined. "Money rules Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us." Those words were spoken by Populist orator Mary Elizabeth Lease during the prairie revolt that swept the Great Plains slightly more than 120 years after the Constitution was signed. They are true today, and that too, spells trouble.

Then I draw a line to the statistics that show real wages lagging behind prices, the compensation of corporate barons soaring to heights unequaled anywhere among industrialized democracies, the relentless cheeseparing of federal funds devoted to public schools, to retraining for workers whose jobs have been exported, and to programs of food assistance and health care for poor children, all of which snatch away the ladder by which Americans with scant means but willing hands and hearts could work and save their way upward to middle-class independence. And I connect those numbers to our triumphant reactionaries' campaigns against labor unions and higher minimum wages, and to their success in reframing the tax codes so as to strip them of their progressive character, laying the burdens of Atlas on a shrinking middle class awash in credit card debt as wage earners struggle to keep up with rising costs for health care, for college tuitions, for affordable housing -- while huge inheritances go untouched, tax shelters abroad are legalized, rates on capital gains are slashed, and the rich get richer and with each increase in their wealth are able to buy themselves more influence over those who make and those who carry out the laws.

Edward R. Murrow told his generation of journalists: "No one can eliminate prejudices -- just recognize them." Here is my bias: extremes of wealth and poverty cannot be reconciled with a genuinely democratic politics. When the state becomes the guardian of power and privilege to the neglect of justice for the people as a whole, it mocks the very concept of government as proclaimed in the preamble to our Constitution; mocks Lincoln's sacred belief in "government of the people, by the people, and for the people"; mocks the democratic notion of government as "a voluntary union for the common good" embodied in the great wave of reform that produced the Progressive Era and the two Roosevelts. In contrast, the philosophy popularized in the last quarter century that "freedom" simply means freedom to choose among competing brands of consumer goods, that taxes are an unfair theft from the pockets of the successful to reward the incompetent, and that the market will meet all human needs while government itself becomes the enabler of privilege -- the philosophy of an earlier social Darwinism and laissez-faire capitalism dressed in new togs -- is as subversive as Benedict Arnold's betrayal of the Revolution he had once served. Again, Mary Lease: "The great evils which are cursing American society and undermining the foundations of the republic flow not from the legitimate operation of the great human government which our fathers gave us, but they come from tramping its plain provisions underfoot."

Our democracy has prospered most when it was firmly anchored in the idea that "We the People" -- not just a favored few -- would identify and remedy common distempers and dilemmas and win the gamble our forebears undertook when they espoused the radical idea that people could govern themselves wisely. Whatever and whoever tries to supplant that with notions of a wholly privatized society of competitive consumers undermines a country that, as Gordon S. Wood puts it in his landmark book The Radicalism of the American Revolution, discovered its greatness "by creating a prosperous free society belonging to obscure people with their workaday concerns and their pecuniary pursuits of happiness" -- a democracy that changed the lives of "hitherto neglected and despised masses of common laboring people."

I wish I could say that journalists in general are showing the same interest in uncovering the dangerous linkages thwarting this democracy. It is not for lack of honest and courageous individuals who would risk their careers to speak truth to power -- a modest risk compared to those of some journalists in authoritarian countries who have been jailed or murdered for the identical "crime." But our journalists are not in control of the instruments they play. As conglomerates swallow up newspapers, magazines, publishing houses, and networks, and profit rather than product becomes the focus of corporate effort, news organizations -- particularly in television -- are folded into entertainment divisions. The "news hole" in the print media shrinks to make room for advertisements, and stories needed by informed citizens working together are pulled in favor of the latest celebrity scandals because the media moguls have decided that uncovering the inner workings of public and private power is boring and will drive viewers and readers away to greener pastures of pabulum. Good reporters and editors confront walls of resistance in trying to place serious and informative reports over which they have long labored. Media owners who should be sounding the trumpets of alarm on the battlements of democracy instead blow popular ditties through tin horns, undercutting the basis for their existence and their First Amendment rights.

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Bill Moyers is the author of "Moyers on Democracy" (Doubleday, 2008) and the host of the PBS show, Bill Moyers Journal.

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Why not "take the money and run"?
Posted by: Sojourner on May 17, 2008 12:57 AM   
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The PBS “American Experience” program on FDR credits him with changing the role of the federal government, as a consequence of his New Deal and the war effort. It seems that American business quickly adapted by learning how to get the best politicians money can buy and turning the tax system of enlarged government to the advantage of the rich and powerful.

Plato saw that as the weakness of democracy 2500 years ago. Voters are willing to sell out, thinking that if they are on the winning side, it will be in their self-interest. The art of lying, which we call advertising, perpetuates the mystification that those who win deserve it.

It may have been necessary to lose power in order to purge the Democratic Party of racism. We are paying a terrible price. We are currently seeing one of our American history’s most flagrant examples of the abuse of political power. By electing CEOs who are oil barons, no less, our government has been run as if it were just another special interest group, one more gigantic corporation, whose welfare derives from crushing all opposition by any means necessary—politics as warfare.

At the conclusion of the Constitutional Convention in 1787 we were told, “We have given you a republic, if you can keep it.” We have lost large elements of it in the last 30 years. Only time will tell whether we have the life affirming vigor to get back what we have lost.

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» From PLATO to BUSH Posted by: pirugenia
Don't trust the press (left, right, or center) on faith... think for yourself instead!
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on May 17, 2008 1:39 AM   
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Who is in control of the instruments, then? Well first, what are the instruments? What is the symphony ensemble? Video, radio, and the written word? There's also word of mouth and buzz marketing - but just for the journalists, who controls the output?

Editors, executives, and public relations professionals who directly serve the corporate board of the given media corporation are the ones with final say over what goes out (it works the same here at Alternet). Those boards are heavily interlocked with other corporate boards in fossil fuels, pharmaceuticals, telecommunicions, weapons, and other media corporations.

What is needed is truly independent and democratic media where the journalists themselves get to say what they think is important. This does not typically extend to any criticism of the media company for which they are working, as I learned this past weekend when Alternet scrubbed my comments pointing to what I think are serious flaws in both their news coverage and that of the Huffington Post. (http://www.alternet.org/ story/85312/#comments).

I think my main point was that the lack of Iraqi war video and news footage on Alternet mirrored that seen within the corporate American press, and their analysis of the food crisis were completely bogus and were ignoring the role that financial speculators were playing - criticism of the centrist and right wing media is appreciated and applauded here, but of the left- wing press? That's not allowed, apparently.

There's a word for that - "slanted journalism" - and when you do it, people lose faith in your stories. However, my point here is that ALL journalism is slanted and biased in one way or the other, so the concerned citizen should NEVER trust any single news source, but should always try and look around at a wide variety of sources.

This is pretty important here in the U.S., where blanket propaganda is the norm. If you don't think that's true, try reading the 1996 version of the Joint Psyops Manual: www.iwar.org.uk/psyops /resources/us/jp3_53.pdf

"The use of PSYOP forces and assets is predicated on political, military, economic, cultural, and psychological or social conditions. PSYOP planners must possess a thorough and current knowledge of these conditions to develop PSYOP targeted at selected foreign groups to influence their objective and emotional reasoning."

Use of such programs against the U.S. public is illegal - but apparently not if done by private contractors hired with government funds, based on Blackwater's immunity from prosecution. Entirely private concerns can also carry out PSYOPS.

Of all the conspiracy theories discussed over the past years, there are only a few that seem plausible - one is that the 911 Truth Movement is a PSYOPS operation aimed at causing dissent within anti-war groups as well as smearing anti-war groups by association with ridiculous notions. The other is that much of the left-wing, centrist, and right-wing press are wholly controlled propaganda outlets, run by people with PSYOPS training from the CIA or other sources.

Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to tell which is which, or to tell the difference between a gullible fool and a clever deceiver, so all news stories should be treated with caution, and no journalist should EVER be "trusted". (And by the way, I hope you recognize that that goes double for anonymous posters on internet message boards who use ridiculous titles like thoughtcriminal - tho it does make you think of thoughtcrime and George Orwell, doesn't it? - yes, that was the idea. How many times do I have to tell you not to think of a blue elephant? See - you're doing it again - yes, that's how the propaganda system works!).

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Enough hot air & blabbering......where's the coach?
Posted by: Smiggsy on May 17, 2008 2:16 AM   
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The system running the USA makes me sick & nauseated. Where's the REAL action. Time for some real push & shove people. GWBush has been in power for almost 2 full terms & the whole nation is culminating towards the largest apathetic cluster f@ck on the face of the planet. Burger barns, Cable TV & moronic SUVs won't save your fat assess.

Didn't you people make revolution famous or something? So don't just sit there blowing hot air over your keyboards.....sitting on your opinions & staring in to a PC monitor waiting for your coffee to cool won't do diddly shit to fix the problems. America is dying & she badly needs your action today.

What sort of serious motivation do the yanks need. Your economy is in the toilet, your government is ruined by endemic corruption, your national health & education is the poorest of the developed world. Something else about illegal spying of citizens & unwinnable wars......I wouldn't live in the USA for all the gold in China (which used to be your gold btw).

ACTION SPEAKS VOLUMES louder than words & opinions.

Come on people....grow some balls already (shakes clenched fist politely in your general direction)

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Revolution? In America? Surely You Jest!
Posted by: kegbot1 on May 17, 2008 4:02 AM   
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This is in response to Smiggsy above.

Let's get it out into the open:

Power grows out of the barrel of a gun. And violence is the only thing the American corporate state will respect.

You can beg and plead and march around in circles all you want. But until the people are ready to start monkeywrenching the works and burning things down, nothing will change. Nothing. All else is interpreted as a sign of vacillation and weakness and will be treated as such. The last 25 years in this country are a testament to that. We whined and moaned as our jobs were sent overseas. We were told the global economy dictated that and if we didn't like it, we must be commies or ignorant of the Grand Law of Economics - rapacious free market capitalism give to us by God through his prophet Adam Smith.

We moan about gas prices and our falling standard of living and look to political saviors to deliver us. As if.

If not rebellion now, when?

But the American people, on their knees hoping for just one more crumb from the rich man's table, don't have it in them anymore.

We have Obama. He'll take care of everything for us. Never mind his campaign coffers are stuffed with Wall Street cash and he genuflects in the direction of AIPAC.

Elections are giant cons in this country.

With a rising fascist national security state all around us, we fear more being detained at the border, landing up on a no fly list, and losing our jobs, than cashiering our freedoms. I even had a high school teacher many years ago tell us, in regard to the Soviet Union: "you can't eat freedom." This is the lesson American have inculcated into their consciousness.

We have been trained to be stupid, self-centered and dependent. And the operant conditioning has worked beautifully.

We still have a myriad of bread and circuses to distract and entertain us while we slip inexorably into debt slavery and helplessness, much of it learned behavior.

Hell, most people would be afraid to simply type what I'm typing now, lest some government Internet sniffer take notice and implant some device in my computer. The state is everywhere. But it's wrapped in the flag, claims the mantle of Jesus, and we must pay homage. Why do you think Obama now wears the damned flag lapel pin?

No, I don't have much faith in my fellow countrymen. They have grown stupid, complacent and pleasure seeking and no longer have any love for those things real patriots were willing to die for a couple of hundred years ago.

But soon we'll be on our knees with little left to lose.

But we live in the kind of country in which people are so unversed in the tactics of rebellion (because it's been beaten out of them) that they'll crawl into bookstores looking for a copy of "Revolution for Dummies" to tell them how to do it.

I would simply tell them, light a match, lock and load, and follow the money.

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Historically, we never learn from our history
Posted by: bryangalt on May 17, 2008 4:20 AM   
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Human beings are a strange bunch to say the least. As a collective, we are capable of bringing about tremendous progressive changes to our societies, while simultaneously working to destroy them from within. What is the reasoning behind this kind of behavior?

Well, I think Bush's speech in Isreal said it best when he had the nerve to imply someone back home could be 'pandering' to the alleged terrorist organizations in the same way that it was done at the outset of WW2 (NOTE: Bush's grand dad was a Nazi sypmathizer. He made a fortune doing business with the Nazi party...look it up if you don't believe me).

Bush and his cronies in the shadows have been using the Nazi play book from the outset. They knew what it would take to create an environment of fear in our society, and it wasn't too hard after all. A quote from the X-Files: "the government keeps us looking at each other so we aren't looking up at them" comes to mind.

When the "bottom line" became more important that humanity, democracy, the Earth and the Sea, our fates became attached to the ride that this ideal will be taking us all on. When the "bottom line" dictates how our government views its citizens as 'potential threats' we are already on the course for revolution, one that will rock the world in retrospect because the final analysis will reveal the American citizen who was so lazy, spoiled and whipped, that he couldn't get it together enough to change his selfish ways until it became so critical that he had to resort to tearing down the immense gift of the Founding Fathers in an effort to restore some sense of sensibility in his life, could have acted when there was an opportunity to MAKE SOME CHANGES.

Yes, the corporations don't give a frack about the little people that made them who they are. The little people don't give a frack about the even smaller people they pass on the street every day.

And, the people on the street, well, their numbers just keep growing, thanks in no small part to the average American citizen, who votes Republican while the Republican's sell this country and its assets to the highest bidder.

The average American who votes Republican even though the Republicans don't care about the average American. What an ironic situation that the average American has placed themselves in.

Unlike the Founders, I am very skeptical that the average American can break away from his selfish consumerism long enough to save our Republic. Ironically, the fact that the corporations got so rich, the government got so sneaky and the average American got so lazy is directly related to the fact that we used to be free, we used to value the little people, we used to care about our country.

Now, we only care if the stock marker USA drops below our sell price...

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» RE: The revolution of 2012 Posted by: solrev
Thank you Bill Moyers
Posted by: packofwolves on May 17, 2008 4:43 AM   
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I am thankful that there is someone out there who recognizes what's happening in our country who has the ability to put our dilemma into words that sing. I expect a revolution in this country within the not too distant future, where those struggling to survive finally realize what has happened to them. Our country is sinking fast and it is the greed and corruption of power that has ruined us. I still don't understand why we keep electing the same people over and over again, maintaining the status quo. Perhaps it is denial that our ship is sinking but by the time we see the water rising it will be too late. I believe it is already too late. Although I am already mourning for this country, the reality is, we have no one to blame but ourselves.

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» RE: Thank you Bill Moyers Posted by: Zeugitai
Bill Moyers -- A National Treasure
Posted by: phshafe on May 17, 2008 4:53 AM   
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While we live in a dysfunctional age, we still have some assets left in the form of Bill Moyers, James Kunstler, Amy Goodman and selected others who are the closest thing we have to prophets in our time. If we don't have masses protesting grievous wrongs the way we did in the 1960's, it's because of the many factors Moyers and the commenters above have described that have atomized our society and caused individuals to deeply believe that they must look to themselves for survival and aid and not to any collective action with their fellows.

I can remember as a boy in the Kennedy era, walking the streets of Washington, D.C., and sensing the beacon unto the world that emanated from there during that time. How have the mighty fallen!

As Toffler pointed out in the Third Wave, the locus of real government has been gravitating from national to both local and international for some time now. And as Kunstler points out in his many works, the move from national to local government will accelerate as society reorganizes due to energy armageddon we now face. So I don't look to the issues of national democracy that Moyers, et. al., cite to be rationally resolved so much as overcome by events. Too soon, we'll all be looking away from Washington and toward our localities for a redress of our concerns, and since resources will be dear, we'll need to relearn what it means to pay in to those localities so that we can get something out in return.

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The EVIL GREEDIA gets to Rape and Pillage yet another Day!
Posted by: williameon on May 17, 2008 4:57 AM   
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The See NO, Hear NO and Speak NO- EVIL FAUX GREEDIA!

The FAUX Media is an affront to Democracy.

Out with the Corporations and
In with American Citizens.

Bill when are you going to put some common Bloggers on your show?
Some of the disenfranchised millions communicating on the web.
Time to let the new school have a voice.
How about some Blogger time on T.V.
We have a new and different message to propose!
Pick up on the chatter.
The GAME is a foot.
Diversity is the message.
Alternate viewpoints
The
Last Wave.
A totally diversified, self sufficient and self reliant local Economy.

Stop the waste!
Create
Recycle
Grow
Manufacture and
Produce it
Right here.

Corporations are machines.
Capital Appendages of the Super Rich.
Eliminate the Company right as a Person.
People are Citizens.
Corporations are machines.

Why should a multi National Corporation have the same rights of an American Citizen?
The owners of these Conglomerates have voting rights already, in the Country that they live.
This causes undue pressure on our Democracy.
Eliminate lobbying in Washington and in the State capitals across America.

Break up The Media Monopolies.
One outlet in one market.
Open local airwaves to local Independent Media.

The Fundamental Fatal Flaw in Government.

Lawyers should hold office only in the
JUDICAL Branch of Government and excluded from holding Office in all others.

How can you have a balance of power when one Profession/Fraternity runs all the Branches of Government?

It is a conflict of interest.

End the One Party System.
The Demo-Repug Dichotomy is a sham.

We need an inclusive system with representing the true Diversity of the Citizenry.

Take the money out of politics.

Totally level the playing field by
Publicly finance all elections.

The Media shall provide equal air time to all candidates free of charge as a public service.

Free the Media!

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We The People
Posted by: kepstein7777 on May 17, 2008 4:57 AM   
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I like Moyers' show, but this article is mostly drama and self-indulgence. We know how the system works. We know about all the dirty money, the media, the crooks...Tell us about something useful and within our control. Tell us we're idiots because we keep voting for the wrong people.

Well, I usually like the show. One exception was that couple last night, arguing about whether Hillary or Obama is better. Meanwhile, the giant pink elephant is right next to them, rolling on the floor laughing.

Think about it, Bill. Your article says the system is a mess, yet you devote a big chunk of your show to a discussion over which representative of the system is better. Do you really think more spineless, slick-talking, mainstream Democrats with lots of money are going to fix things?

On the plus side, I liked the bit on the pharmaceuticals. Juicy!

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The fourth and unchecked branch of government
Posted by: hagwind on May 17, 2008 5:00 AM   
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Don't know about anybody else, but when I studied the U.S. government in (pretty good) primary and secondary schools, the checks and balances were all about the executive, the legislative, and the judiciary keeping an eye on each other so that none could throw the system too seriously out of whack. I didn't start paying serious attention to corporate power till I got to college and the anti-Vietnam War movement. That was also when I first made the acquaintance of Karl Marx and other critics of capitalism. Though I never became a Marxist, I immediately understood that I'd been missing something big: the material underpinnings of political values -- including "liberty and justice for all." Freedom of the press belongs to them who own the presses. How free is your speech likely to be if you can lose your livelihood or your life for telling the truth?

Checks on corporate/economic power weren't written into the U.S. Constitution, and that's not surprising because corporations as we know them didn't exist. I think it's just now dawning on many USians that we've got this unelected shadow government that's accountable to no one but its shareholders (and only a very few of them), and the constitutionally delineated executive, legislative, and judicial branches can't do much about it. Don't want to do much about it, in many cases, because you see what you can afford to see and many government officials, elected and otherwise, can't afford to see who's calling their tune and writing their script.

In retrospect, it's easy to see: In a market economy, anything is for sale if buyers and sellers can agree on a price, and the only values that count are monetary. (Shifty word, that: value. And while we're at it, "priceless" is another word for "worthless.") Votes have probably been bought and sold for as long as there have been elections, and politicians likewise. We could use some checks and balances there, but who's making the clean election laws anyway?

Bill Moyers knows all this. I'm interested to read what suggestions he has to help us find our collective way out of this mess.

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» Corporations are 'persons,' too - now. Posted by: photon's feather
it's simplistic to think that the current state of affairs is of recent origin
Posted by: Suzon on May 17, 2008 5:18 AM   
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There have always been two mindsets--elitist and egalitarian--in American history. The elitists have certainly racheted things up in the past 30 years. I believe that has more to do with fear than greed.

Those who encourage a dog-eat-dog world have to be even more afraid than we are. Why? Even though our resources are less impressive than theirs, they are still vulnerable unless they want to live in a panic room for the rest of their lives. For an example of the wealthy man's nightmares, look no further than Howard Hughes.

We have to break the link between public office and corporate purse. How can it be done? A good simple narrative wouldn't go amiss. Every corporation is a cheat. Special treatment for corporations comes from the divine right of kings and is therefore anti-American. Every American politician who is an enabler of corporate despotism has betrayed their oath to uphold and defend the constitution.

I'm almost more interested in impeaching Pelosi than Bush and Cheney. But that's continuing to play the ancient game of winners and losers. Maybe we should offer them an amnesty.

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» Several good points... Posted by: kepstein7777
choke the pig
Posted by: grmartin on May 17, 2008 5:44 AM   
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The first step would seem to be severe limits on election campaign contributions, as done in other democracies including Canada. Too bad even that modest measure not achievable in corporate-controlled USA.

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The rich have a right to suffer too
Posted by: daw13 on May 17, 2008 6:23 AM   
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Last night I dreamed that a million ordinary young people of all sizes and shapes and genders and colors (a few of the 90% whose fathers AREN’T getting richer while most get poorer nowadays) marched – no, not on Washington, on Westchester County New York.

This locale includes one of the enclaves of the upper-class. Those to whom the rest of us are basically… well, pissants. In my dream this mass of nicely dressed, scrubbed and groomed young citizens arrived from many directions in a caravan of busses. They debussed in an orderly manner and waltzed into Westchester County. Tucked under each of their arms was – no, not a Gideon Bible, but a copy of Howard Zinn’s A People’s History of the United States.

Before Westchester police realized what was happening, the first wave spread out and began knocking on doors. To every upper-class local under thirty they offered a People’s History and a little speech. About what a shame it was that their parents deliberately empowered a president dedicated to trashing ordinary citizens, so that upper-class families could remain comfortable as the country faced various crises. Crises the upper-class had caused and that might logically make ordinary citizens mad at them. Citizens not very different from themselves as people. Wouldn’t it be better if upper-class elders would consider reaching out to their fellow citizens with a little decency, the visitors asked?

Many young Westchestrians were rather moved, in my dream. In spite of having been carefully and diligently socialized concerning the despicableness of ordinary citizens (pissants), they had not had a chance yet to behave really cruelly toward them. They were still dependent on their elders to lie, repress and persecute in order to maintain oligarchy behind a façade of justice and fairness. Actually, young Westchesterians were fairly innocent. Consequently, they still possessed some empathy and compassion for people they felt kinship with -- in spite of the training they had received. Some, in fact, felt so empathetic that they joined the visitors striding from door to door armed only with Zinn.

Before long, hordes of police arrived and begin bashing heads and breaking ribs, leaving rich people’s lawns all bloody. Young upper-class men and women watched this mayhem more in horror than with approval, to their parents’ deep chagrin. Bruised and battered visitors kept talking and offering Zinns --even while being dragged by the hair to waiting police vans -- as a second wave of visitors debussed. The now prepared police intercepted many, but the more they intercepted the more arrived.

On and on it went, in my dream, from dawn to dusk, day after day. Upper-class elders grew concerned. Those who formed the core and majority of the nation’s Power Elite met in churches and mansions and clubs to discuss a potential social control crisis. Was it possible any longer to ensure that pissant oppression, repression and if need be extermination could be guaranteed to occur only outside of the boundaries of upper-class enclaves? Must they now physically enfortress themselves? What would this mean? How would their families feel? Life wouldn’t be fun anymore.

They decided, at length, that the current situation was unacceptable. This was NOT the way things were supposed to be. Soon the incumbent president, whom they regarded as a factotum, began receiving angry phone calls and visitors, telling him to DO SOMETHING!

But the only something the Incumbent knew how to do was break heads, incarcerate and torture. Unfortunately, these techniques did not work well to deal with a mass of citizens who were not an angry, violent mob. But who WERE extremely well organized and ready to suffer a good deal in order to educate the people of Westchester County that whatever happened in the U.S.A. would happen to all.

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Moyers IS NOT in Denial...BUT....
Posted by: drricklippin on May 17, 2008 6:40 AM   
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....many other US leaders and citizens are.

History teaches us that by the time we reach consensus that we are in deep-possibly irreversible- trouble it is often too late!

One expression of this phenom is the concept of "bounded rationality". Meaning we actually protect our brains by not not perceiving or imagining the worst case or in this case REALITY.In other words it is too overwhelming for some.

It may not be too late for the US of A but we cannot afford not to perceive and act on what Moyers is saying without any further delay.

Thanks Bill Moyers- an intelligent and moral force in our formally great nation.

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa
http://medicalcrises.blogspot.com

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Big horah for Moyers
Posted by: The Big Raven on May 17, 2008 6:51 AM   
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Just putting it in our faces where we cant hide the truth Lady Liberty was just a passing fancy die you old greedy biatch DIE!

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only fix=publicly financed campaigns
Posted by: scott.gregory on May 17, 2008 7:08 AM   
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That's the whole story. As long as we rely on "bribery-based campaign financing" the wealthy corporate state will continue to rule, the structures of separated powers and elections notwithstanding.
I think it was Lenin who said,"it's not how the votes are cast, it's who counts them." And to which Stalin said "it's not who counts the votes, it's who pickes the candidates."
There we are...the wealthy corporate elite picks the candidates; low and middle income Americans only get to choose from candidates "selected" by the rich. Public campaign financing would close that down and end the lobbyists power in D.C.
Of course, how do we get there? How do the people gain enough political control to put in place a structure of publicly-financed campaigns? Sadly, I'm not sure it can happen within the existing constitutional framework. The alterntive is not desirable. Time will tell.

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Bill M and Bill O
Posted by: Grandma Crabby on May 17, 2008 7:41 AM   
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Bill Moyers is wonderful, and one of the best journalists in America.

Good old Bill O'Reilly on the other hand, refers to Moyers as "that far left PBS guy," so a large percentage of the population will never listen to Bill M.

Bill O has a bigger audience and MOST of the corporate owned media is biased right so they will speak of Moyers in the same disparaging terms.

Therefore, Bill M. will largely be ignored and the idiots like Bill O will continue to rule.

Damned pitiful situation.

I can't STAND Bill O. I made a video making fun of him and his loofah fetish. Pass it around. Nothing feels better than humiliating this jerk!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKu8iqIuXHM

Let's all make fun of Bill O together!

Luv,
Granny

I also have a video about some dog poop that looks just like Dick Cheney. What a miracle.

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» RE: Bill M and Bill O Posted by: bdcroan
This is not New News but....
Posted by: picket on May 17, 2008 7:57 AM   
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The last seven years dealt a death blow to USA. Just notice the demeanor of GWB around the Saudi Kings a few days ago. Just those pictures of his arrogance would seem to be the last straw for all who can pay attention.

It has become easy for those in power to control the masses now because as Maslow wrote regarding Human Needs, the basic needs the most primitive such as food, water shelter safety and security and lack of love affection and belonging are severely lacking for millions of Americans. When the most basic human needs are never met how many will EVER rise up the ladder to reach a high regard for their being???

What has been done to the the "least of these my brethren" will in the end hurt all. Some may not live long enough to see this travesty of inhumanity reach the top BUT it surely will do so.

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help us help ourselves
Posted by: using on May 17, 2008 8:01 AM   
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so..now, Bill Moyers has made it official. We are all trapped in the quicksand of our times.

However, there are branches that we can grab that will save us individually from marching distracted backwards into the forgotten dark and dismal ages. And if there are enough of us -- we can overthrow the short sighted self-above-all-else diseased segment. What can the helpless journalists do....they can dare to point the way. They can educate us of the options available to us,scrutinize the movements so we are not so fearful of innocently throwing our energy to yet another scam for personal power. They can help us connect and nurture the change that will help us break with the stranglehold on our best interests and ironically, ultimately the best interests of even those that are currently gaining from this process of defeating us and chewing up our earth for the holy dollar. WE can create an under-culture, a media that will speak to the highest, long range interests of mankind -- but we need champions that are smart and knowledgeable, and can guide us. And who is in the best position as champions of truth than our capable, knowledgeable, intelligent, compassionate journalists?????
What can a young journalist do? He has to grin and bear it so he can become a force. And what can a secure insider journalist do once he has become a force? Why he has to grin and bear it so he can hold his position before some young "willing to do it" steals his thunder. And with such thinking -- well -- lets stop blaming ourselves and each other...and lets shed light on the positive fledgling efforts that are struggling to emerge. There are many of us that are capable and willing to stand for the greater good.
PS as for the good old Kennedy days...they were the days of hope and joy. A handsome young invigorating leader who with this focus and poetic speech brought us hope for the future, a beautiful cultured young wife who openly favored European designers, a charming Caroline in her mother's high heeled shoes.....and with hope in our hearts...we were marched into Vetnam and tricked into the bay of pigs. Do not forget, that even while our sun was rising, it was symultaneously setting. We need to find a new way to live together and prosper before the quicksand sucks us all under.
And then what will be left for the high and mighty distroyers?

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Divine Primates
Posted by: Earon on May 17, 2008 8:19 AM   
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Thanks, Bill, for your clarity. I've been trying to get a publisher for a book I've written to tell a different story about human intelligence and culture. "Divine Primates" is a hopeful view of human nature that helps free us from the fundamentalist and ideological and economic absurdities that have become part of our culture.

Any ideas? Please look at http://www.divineprimates.com and give comments and suggestions on how I can get this perspective out there to the public.

Peace and hope,

Earon Davis

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» RE: Divine Primates Posted by: reval
Show the status quo the door!
Posted by: alternetrose on May 17, 2008 8:25 AM   
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I cannot think of a more compelling argument to support the candidacy of Cindy Sheehan, in her effort to unseat Nancy Pelosi, than this article.

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Part of the problem
Posted by: Maryanne on May 17, 2008 8:17 AM   
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is that Americans have not been taught history, geography, civics or economics. (Have you seen Jay Leno's "Jaywalking?")

These subjects have now all been watered down into something called "social studues" which originally was supposed to help students integrate the content from one subject to all the others. However, the time is spent on the integrating, rather than on the content. So you learn very little.

One young lady I worked with a number of years ago was unable to attend school or have a tutor for a semester. I asked the school for the content of a course she needed to learn in order to take the exam in June. The content consisted on one sheet of paper, handwritten on both sides. Anyone could learn this in half an hour, but the course taught in the classroom covered one high school semester!

We need to take out schools back. We need to teach history, geography, economics, and civics with a strong emphasis on the constitution , the bill of rights and the decisions of the Supreme Court. (As well as the basics of reading, math and real science of course, etc.)

Americans are not in a position to know what to do when they are uninformed, not only by the lack of acurate information in the corporate media, but also the failures of their schooling. They are anestethized with moronic television (althoug there is a great deal of value in TV if you look for it, but the question is, how many do?), and when a problem arises, such as our housing crisis, the rise in prices,etc. they are at a loss as to how to handle this. Had they been taught to live within a budget, to save, to not accumulate debt with things that are unnecessary? Have they even been taught to think? Emphasis on participation in classrooms has been the norm, but you cannot intellegently discuss anything unless you have all the facts, and accurate facts.

Forget the charter schools, get better training and support for teachers and get back to basics. Maybe then, we would have an informed populace that can protect democracy.

We need to take out schools back.

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You lose your Freedom by increment most often...
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on May 17, 2008 8:32 AM   
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So people are not aware it is slipping away until it's too late..

Of course this is also due to them being willfully blind and largely ignorant..

The press refusing to mention the existence of dangerous groups such as the Federalist Society the Bilderberg Group, The Tri-Lateral Commission and even the Council on Foreign Relations and their undo influence and subterfuge as usurpers of our Republic and democracy itself contribute to this as they are inculcated and accessories in this fascist conspiracy to form a One world government of fascist bankers and corporate oligarchs...

Remember JFK spoke out against these secret groups then he was primarily referring to the Council on Foreign Relations and two weeks later he was Dead..!

Have you heard one Candidate even those who are describing themselves as agents of change mention any one of these groups..?

Doesn't Barack Obama know The Bilderberg Group exists you can bet McCain does but he's one of their puppet clowns and more so everyday..

The documents and degrees to end this the greatest dream man ever dreamed are already written and signed NSPD-51 HSPD-20 Executive order 14348..and others the Warner Defense Act..and more..

One morning we'll wake up and the sun will have set on this great experiment and it will be because we gave it away and allowed a rotten little fool to take it..as his Grandfather dreamed and conspired 68 years ago..

Simple as that..

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» NOT SO FAST, MCGILLICUDDY! Posted by: edgeofnowhere
» RE: NOT SO FAST, MCGILLICUDDY! Posted by: TJ-stars4peace
Karl Marx was RIGHT
Posted by: Gravitas on May 17, 2008 8:36 AM   
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At least about the idea of false consciousness. That is a belief a class holds that works against its best interest. Americans don't even know there is a class war going on! We still have the Horatio Alger myth anyone can make it. Folks still have in the back of their minds that someday it might be them. These delusions cause the average Joe to protect the system. They also experience the illusion that they live better than they do with a whole host of imitations that allow them to pretend they are living the good life. They can buy cars that look like what the rich drive, clothes that imitate what the beautiful people wear. (All financed on sky high interest of course.) They sit glued to the television and vicariously identify with celebrities, often investing as much emotion in peoples' lives as their own.

Asked what she would MOST change about her life, the average woman says her weight!!!! They are convinced that there is some magical life waiting for them if they can just get down to the size of their celebrity idols. And if they never get there, it is their own fault their life doesn't work. The power-elite is only too happy to capitalize on their guilt, how many articles have turned up blaming obesity for the faultering economy? And if it is not fat people, it is illegal immigrants they blame. They have NO IDEA who is really working against them, and have seemed to have lost the will and the intellectual capacity to even find out. I wonder if Marx was alive today, if he would say it was not the media and not religion that was the opium of the people!

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» On Line Communities Posted by: Gravitas
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This is a Great Article and Whilst Articles Like This Continue To Be Published There is Still Hope
Posted by: opmoc on May 17, 2008 9:31 AM   
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Western society has been lurching towards its current Fascist dictatorship, for a considerable time. Whether the process can be gracefully reversed without complete systemic failure is still very much in the lap of the gods.

Most news media censors everything of which the owners and paymasters do not approve. Society generally is dumbed down by wall to wall dross on TV. The education system has stopped teaching practical understanding of how things work. Science in no longer taught - just the story of science. The workforce has been deskilled and their quality jobs have been exported.

Things do look pretty bleak, but people are starting to wake up and complain. The internet does make a difference and that influence will continue to grow.

A landslide for Obama - if it happens - could signal real change. A further slide to the right could be terminal except that...

Other societies have reached similar stages of oppression and recovered from them. Political systems tend to operate like a pendulum. It could be that recovery cannot occur before collapse. Or it could be that the extreme point has already been reached and things have already started to improve. The pendulum maybe moving so slow that we have not yet noticed the change.

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» Landslides can be dangerous........ Posted by: edgeofnowhere
forget the inheritance tax and start taxing the corporations
Posted by: e rice on May 17, 2008 10:13 AM   
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at the same rate as the early 50s. corporations have been decreasing their tax rate since at least the mid-50s, the gao has published the percentages for decades, and no one has done a damned thing to correct this--all the while crying about his individual taxes, which wouldn't be as high if the corporations were taxed fairly.

the reason many of these huge estates exist is that their owners milked their corporations. these people can easily avoid leaving a large estate through trusts and other legal methods, so inheritance tax is nothing more than a distraction from the real problem--uncontrolled corporations.

reinstate the laws controlling corporations and the banking industry. the eurpoean union does not allow pharmaceutical companies to gouge their customers, but america defends the 'right' of companies to do as they please.

according to one article i read in the early 90s, at the beginning of the 80s, the ratio between the income of an entry level employee (the article didn't define whether this was the mail room boy or a junior executive) and the ceo as 30:1; by the end of the 80s, it was 300:1. that money had to come from somewhere, and it came from the salaries of middle and lower level employees. it came from r&d funds. it came from the untaxed profits.

reinstate the laws forbidding monopolies. there was a time in this country that every area had a republican newspaper and a democratic newspaper, at least. in large urban areas, there were independent stations, radio and tv. the progamming was determined by the station, not an executive a thousand miles away.

return educational standards to the levels of the 1920s, and stop letting ignorant rednecks decide what their children should learn. an aside: it would be really exciting if some of the people commenting on this site would learn to spell--all it requires is a dictionary; and learn how to use the language properly. of course, many of them will proclaim that standards are unfair and arbitrary--becasue they don't understand how societies function.

we're in this situation because too many people sat back and let the country be stolen. they ignored the problems, or they let themselves be distracted by side issues, like inheritance tax.

demand that congress break up the monopolies as they broke up ma bell, demand that candidates take a stand against the corporations before they're voted in, and pay attention to what they do once their voted in. if they don't, vote them out.

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» Using the language Posted by: LeeAnnG
We Have Become A Fascist State
Posted by: wgriff3245 on May 17, 2008 10:42 AM   
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By definition, Corporations are allowed to dictate government policies, that is Fascism. Our politicians have been bought off by the major corporations and unfortunately it maybe time for a "French Revolution" in this country. We as a nation are dommed for the most part.

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xvet
Posted by: xvet on May 17, 2008 10:49 AM   
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Thanks Bill for your incite. What are we to do when you are gone? The great problem we have is that people with your backbone and knowledge don't have the audience they deserve and are constantly attacked by those who do, as being leftist. Well if being leftist means putting your finger on what is wrong with this country, than I'm leftist I quess.
Bring back the Fairness Doctrine and uphold the constitution (corporations with 1st admendment rights how ridiculous) and a lot could be achieved towards bringing this country back from the abyss.
xvet

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PROGRESS: alive & kicking, though Gravitas is right
Posted by: pirugenia on May 17, 2008 12:03 PM   
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The American Experience of Progress includes the freedom to live and prosper under one's set of beliefs. "Western" and "Christian" are the main components of our idea of Progress- within-Capitalism, which pervades in the face of decline in other areas of our life as a nation. US: a Christian nation motivated by the work ethic and profit goals of capitalism.

It is as a "Christian" nation of Progress (not as an Asianized nation, a semitized one, or an agnostic one) that we build our identity, develop solidarity toward other peoples, choose our friends, and perceive our enemies. In each generation we unify, above our divisions, against one enemy: savage Injuns, primitive Latin Americans, Godless Communists, radical Islam, ruthless China. The Neocons, neither Christian nor Western (Perle and Co., low profile but still pernicious), use the common-enemy idea against our common good: the idea of Progresus Americanus. We have endured SO FAR.

Other civilizations are not our enemies and have and could be again the nutrient force of our Progress. Our enemy is the one that forces us to fight everybody else, and to throw our energies and resources into this endless pursuit of war and its accompanying appropriation of peoples' resources and minds.

Our "independent" media (no quotes needed for PBS’s Moyers here) should keep on showing Americans that: other civilizations work, i.e. the health care systems in places as different as Taiwan, Germany or Chile; the superpower US has a global role in education, i.e. through American Schools from Qatar to El Salvador.

The "spell of money", when not accompanied by "faction" and "fear", but by the need to preserve our own internal differences and shared values, is a powerful magnet for the peoples of all the continents. They see us as Christians, Jews, Agnostics, etc. and they admire us for the fact that we have, within the realms of power and wealth, people of all the races, walks of life, and persuasions. Countries long dominated by a royal family or by an elitesque groupuscule of families, such as the Central Americans, do admire our FDR, Kennedy, Obama, Condoleeza, Solís, Zinn, even Kissinger. They long for our US-assembled Toyotas, as much as they long for US to rejoin the club of civilized nations.

One possible solution for Americans —and the World— is that our young college people, revitalized by Obama, will undertake new majors such as UCLA's Civic Engagement.

Young people are the proverbial hope if they are guided by those who share, and not by the octopus of international financiers with media, PharmaCorp, WMDs and war tentacles. We are accomplishing a lot through: blogging, YouTubing, posting, writing, marching, dancing, cooking, watching films, or simply turning off the daily hero program on our TardView (one should watch over programs funded by the Pentagon, transnational corps and foreign interests).

Signs of hope. The German President denounced the Hedge Fund "MONSTERS” to which the world economy almost succumbed.

Our young ones live in a world of marketing and legal drugs. They must be helped to survive this NeoPlantational system. They should become citizen thinkers, not a mob of detached shoppers.

One antidote is joy and face to face human warmth. This as effective as denouncing from rooftops, or preaching in the prairies.

Not that there is no social role for the occasional prophet.

This is a great country. Life here is invigorating. Though the US is turning into an empire (Buchanan dixit), it is a rewarding place to live for this barely-middle class Lat Amer Maria married to an Anglo. There is hope in American Progress, thanks to the diversity of people's voices in the US, and specially thanks to the young ones that Daw13 dreams.

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It's Too Late
Posted by: WizardX on May 17, 2008 12:13 PM   
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This complex system we call globalised nation states is heading for a massive transformation. The old received wisdoms (such as hierarchical power and the concept of authority that supported it) are starting to turn on their heads [see John Robb's Brave New War].
In this context ailing democracies everywhere are simply going to collapse anyway (the power/authority part of the equation not the demo-cracy part). The rest of us are going to walk out into the sunshine from under the this immense rock, in a lawless space. And we are going to ask: how do we rebuild our communities and political structures so that this shit does not happen again.
And I predict that there won't be enough mercenaries in the world then to protect the thieving corporate whores from plebs like me.
I suggest that perhaps one way to ameliorate the effects of the final meltdown is right now to start making it abundantly clear that all those criminals against humanity - Ward Churchill's 'Little Eichmann's' - who have presided at a distance over so much human suffering over the past few decades, that we can see them, we know who they are, and come the revolution they will be standing at the Crimes Against Humanity tribunals when we the people, the victors, can start dispensing some speedy and appropriate victor's justice: Mr Corporate Sociopath, you have not convinced me of anything with your Right Wing Authoritarian rhetoric, and so I have no choice but to send you to solitary in a cage on Guantanamo Bay for the rest of your life. That is, if there's any room left.

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Retired AIr Force Officer and Engineer
Posted by: bflove on May 17, 2008 12:37 PM   
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Of course we have many problems as noted above. The first step in solving a problem is to identify the problem. Our economics problems are identified as "Supply Side Economics" as championed by the Republicans. There have been 9 recessions since 1950, excluding the current "rough patch". Eight of them have occurred during Republican administrations. This is an 89% correlation factor, which pretty well indicts the Republican Party. They cause most recessions!
Econ. 101 teaches that there is a delicate balance between Supply and Demand for the most efficiency. The point where the Supply and Demand curves cross is the most efficient and affords the greatest GDP. One definition of a Recession is two consecutive monthly decreases in the GDP. Any adjustment of either the Supply or Demand parameters will result in changes to the GDP. Once the GDP is in optimal equilibrium, one must make equally favorable adjustments to both supply and demand to maintain maximum efficiency.
Republican administrations hit the GDP with a double whammy. On the one hand, they champion Supply such as large Corporations providing goods or services. On the other hand they disparage demand (we consumers).
They afford tax breaks for the rich suppliers and even legislate to provide greater profits for those suppliers who support them. They jocky the interest rates and bail-outs in favor of large suppliers and donors. They reduce regulations on suppliers such as letting them take their Coperate offices overseas to avoid taxes. They fail to enforce existing regulations designed to maintain fair markets. They jockey the value of the dollar to where it is not worth much, hurting consumers. Republicans have only presented balanced federal budgets on two occassions out of their past 17 budgets. All these "Supply-Side" perks shift the Supply curve and reduces efficiency for the GDP.
The Republican strategy reverses for the "Consumer-Side. They reject pay raises, medical benefits, social security, vacations, pregnancy leaves, unions, and retirement benefits for the working consumer. They send jobs overseas, and reduce unemployment benefits. All these anti-demander actions also reduce the GDP by shifting the Demand curve negatively.
When Republicans rule, they try to grab all the benefits for themselves and their supporters. By neglecting the consumers, they are killing the Goose that lays the golden eggs they cherish.
Democracy suffers anytime either Supply or Demand is given special favors. They must be treated equally. We cannot demand something for which there is no supply. We should not supply something unless there is demand.
Supply-Side economics has gone overboard. It is now time for Demand-Side economics to restore the balance in our economy. One clue to this need is the attempt by this administration to restore the consumer by giving us money to spend. It would have much less painless if they would only have shared some of the wealth with the consumers, just as they did for the suppliers!

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rn
Posted by: mnatra on May 17, 2008 1:04 PM   
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Great article Bill. You are a guiding light in a time of darkness.America has been in a dark age since the 1990s;Presided over by the Clinton's and their corporations and now up to the present day ruled by the gangsters in Washington. All intellectual inquiry is suppressed.
.The way to turn back this tide is to stop driving our cars today, en mass, for one day.... we would set the ruling elite back on its ASS... without
being violent.

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» RE:Let's do it! Posted by: goldenta
elijah
Posted by: Elijah on May 17, 2008 1:11 PM   
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Bill Moyers is 1000% right!...money and greed has supplanted doing what is right for society...put bush and his cronies in prison..how about Gitmo for shrub..

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The Pirori of Democracy
Posted by: bjluchion on May 17, 2008 1:50 PM   
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We have forgotten that The Priori of Democracy is "The Security of the Demos" i.e. Human Security. In other words the objective of Governance is to secure the well being of the people...Clearly the people are not secured in these times, and with no protocols for Human Security on the agenda.

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The truth
Posted by: yesman on May 17, 2008 3:08 PM   
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"extremes of wealth and poverty cannot be reconciled with a genuinely democratic politics." This statement is completely true. However you may define "democracy," if it means anything at all, it cannot be reconciled with our present situation. A genuinely participatory, inclusive system cannot produce untold and unimaginable wealth for a few, and grinding, life-destroying poverty for a steadily-growing number of hard-working citizens. Yet, that is the situation we have.

Instead of this truth being loudly and insistently proclaimed from every outlet of mass communication, however, it is almost never stated in public. Thanks to Bill Moyers for being astute and courageous enough to speak this truth.

The only politician in recent memory who was courageous enough even to come close to this truth was John Edwards, and we saw how the corporate media shamefully destroyed his campaign as quickly as possible.

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Factotum in Fact
Posted by: kfho on May 17, 2008 4:03 PM   
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I favor discourse which is philosophic. I've admired Bill Moyers' insights and analysis for years. He introduced me through PBS to Joseph Campbell whose ideas are interwoven inextricably now into my own worldview. In the court of intrepid, exemplary, free-thinking, honest social commentators (a vanishing species in America, in my view), I count Moyers with thought-craftsman such as Edward R. Murrow, Frank Norris, John Steinbeck among a few others and, of late, Howard Zinn and Keith Olbermann. This piece is a gem from this jeweler among stone masons.

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The system is a bucket of shit and this is why.....
Posted by: jeffrey7 on May 17, 2008 4:36 PM   
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Middle Class died when Nixon got elected!!! Now it's become 'middle income', which is an even bigger farce! Why do I say that? Let me run it down to you.
This comes straight form the govt's own figuring. Say you live in a place like Appleton Wisconsin,pop. 69.000+. What Uncle Pissy Pants calls 'Medium Level LOW INCOME for this area is 42,000/yr. Yes, $42,000/yr. That's with a family with 2 children, if it's just you and your mate, $ 36,000 per year.
So the TOP 1% of LOW INCOME with a family would be $125,000/yr or approximatly $85,000/yr. for a couple. Now remember this is LOW INCOME for a town 60,000+
If you live in NYC,LA, of any other BIG city it's $ 53,000, $44,000 and $ 145,000 respectivly, all LOW INCOME for those areas.
Now think about this.....60% of Americans are LOW INCOME. This is unthinkable in a country that used to pride itself on the opinion that a person who had a family of 5,working a 40 hour week,making $35,000/yr, could own a house,have a good car and a vacation spot, pay all the household bills and keep the kids in the latest of things without being 'showy'. I don't know anyone making $35,000/yr. with three kids that has that kind of ability today.
According to the feds, MID-LEVEL MIDDLE INCOME, 350,000/YR!!!!! That's barely good enough to get you an efficency appt. to 'own', as a fixer-upper, that costs $500,000 in the Big City. This is also unthinkable.
For 60% of us the cost of Living is almost unbearable. They don't factor in food and gas when they tell us 'prices have gone up only slightly'. They don't tell us the 100% utility increase was due to the fines the Power Company had to pay for over pollution fines. Try asking your boss for a 100% raise the next time you've got a ticket to pay.
60% of us are having the money sucked out of our wallets faster than a hoover in overdrive. 60% of us are still waiting for the light to even flicker in the tunnel or even see the 'end' we're supposed to meet. We're the people that need the most from any sort od governance,NOT the Coperations or Upper Middle Income and Upper Income People. They hoard the wealth of the Nation on the backs of the LOWER INCOME.
60% of us have the absolute power to change the way the system works!
60% of us can be the change we want to see in the world. There's one small hangup though. 60% of don't have the money. That's true. That's why there needs to be an Executive Order written that relieves all taxes on the Low Income. Think of what you could do with NO TAXES ON LOW INCOMES ON FAMILIES MAKING UNDER $55,000 PER YEAR AND $35,000 IF YOU'RE SINGLE.
Then we stop the second drain on your monies,compound interest rates.
The banks steal your money for doing nothing. The house you own will cost three times as much in 'interest payments' as you paid for it. You are being robbed buy the banks! They should only be allowed to charge a 'Flat Rate Interest' no matter how long you had to pay it off.
60% of us can make these things happen. 60% of us can build a better society. 60% of us can bring Peace to the World.
Draft Jeffrey7 for Prez, It's the only vote that counts!!!

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high thinking
Posted by: sirios on May 17, 2008 4:59 PM   
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amazing, with all the soaring intellectuals on alternet , it is still believed that taking a side or attempting to cleverly orate a unified mankind through exclusion or some kind of fairness in govt. is endlessly pusued. a simple law of relativity is that it is always in opposition to itself. unity cannot be achieved by gathering up all the knowledge and experiences in the universe. fortunately it is not necessary because what is unified is and always has been in a completely unified state with itself. just stop for one moment the incessant search and what is already here will be realized. this stopping is not an action or a practice, but a williingness to notice what is appearing in mind without following or giving any direction to thoughts. This common ground is awake to itself and sees all objects appearing in, it as nothing other than itself. the practice of taking sides or excluding becomes obsolete,unless one chooses to reindentify with ones "story". this is real freedom not just safety from verbal, emotional or physical attacks. has any form of govt. ever created this kind of freedom? I think not. i am not suggesting anyone give up their lashing out on alternet or alter their lifestyle, but realize intellectually at least that attempting to rearrange the world through words or actions is temporary and fleeting. wait long enough and someone will challange your safety zone, which will endlessly have to be reformed. how excruciatingly painful and exhausting. I can't wait to be verbally lambasted, it is soooo entertaining!

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» RE: high thinking- Okay I bite Posted by: Purple Girl
And ultimiately their Own profit margin
Posted by: Purple Girl on May 17, 2008 5:08 PM   
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The 'Four Horsemen' are the TOOLS developed by man to assist in our Organizing and coordinating The Collective.Religion was to be a place we shared out personal experience and Our Hypothesis on the Unknown.Commerce was to help us be able to exchange goods with out having to lug them around with (dragging a Goat to by wheat) and allowed those who did not have Products to share could offer services.So if he did not need another gaot he copuld get something in value to trade from the one he did a service for a go to another and but a pig - He didn't need to wait until the man with a Pig needed his aprticualr servcie ( he'd starve or have to eat his milk producing Goat) Govt was form to set doen basic guidelines to be followed while in the Collective- 'Laws' which in and Of themselves helped keep the clooective Together.And Just as the Siren call of Birds in a flock- mass communication was deveolped to be a Warning , A beacon or Knowledge to assit Us In managing the other Three tools. All VERY Elementry- but obvious Facts which are overlooked, ignored, or Disregarded. These were as Much Tools as the knife and the Bow with as little real power behind them unless wielded by mankind!
However, Through Trickery of Self promoting Self centered and self indulged humans these 'creations' have evolved into the Plagues Of mankind .Four Horsemen are Not 'Coming' They are here! What appears to have appened is th at we have neglected them as Tools and Hung them in High Places as Decoration.They need to be taken Down - Strip of Rust & Debris and Returned to the Tool Box!!

Bless You Bill - You are one of very very few true journalists remaining, You bring Down my blood pressure- because I Know I am not alone In thei sEver increasingly maddening World.
Thank you also for your help with the Exposing the "personal Assasination" attempt on Rev Wright. I am OUT RAGED and ashamed at the relentless persecution of this man who only wishe dto remind US of what we all hav known for decades.he was Correct about WHO's 'chickens'came to Our Land to Roost-Wh used our people & country acamoflage and Human shields.It is a LIE that most Americans thoght then or think Now the attacks of 9/11 were attacks against our 'Freedoms'- they were Attacks on the MIC. Nor have Most Americans frogotten the Role the Reagan adminsitration Played (by actively ignoring) in the spread of AIDS (We remember GRID and the pleading for help) ALLOWING IT TO REACH EPIDEMIC PORPORTION! What is a far bigger crime Inventing a Deadly disease or allowing It to BECOME A DEADLY disease by not trying to control it's spread, funding Reserch and Education and Doing so because of Prejudcie against certain segments of society - he caused undue suffering ,Deaths and endangered the rest of mankind!Inventing it is a Mute Point!thank God For You and the Rest of the PBS News Hour Staff and of course all their other great programming - Love Nova, Frontline,Amer. Exper.....I can Not thank You enough (and I try to donate when I can)

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Democracy in the U.S. has ALWAYS been a MYTH
Posted by: dragonfly on May 17, 2008 5:18 PM   
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Contrary to popular belief the U.S. has never employed the system known as 'democracy' - notwithstanding people like Moyers perpetuating that myth. 2600 years ago the Greeks created democracy to ELIMINATE a Ruling Elite, the common people voting directly on the laws and issues that concerned them - not voting for people (or 'representatives' as we were taught to call them), but voting directly on laws without any Ruling Elite at the top, elected or otherwise, concentrating all the power in their hands. The U.S. has ALWAYS had a government known as a REPUBLIC - which is what you have when the people ELECT RULERS - and not a 'democratic' republic which is a contradiction in terms.

For the 'Founding Fathers' to refer to their new government as a 'democracy' because it shares a couple components with the republican system (voting and majority rule) is as ludicrous as calling a lawnmower an airplane because they share a few components: engine, wheels and spinning blade. Ben Franklin along with those who wrote the Pledge of Allegiance ("...and to the republic for which it stands...") understood the U.S. has a republican government - and apparently there are few others who understand that simple fact, including Moyers and other respected commentators. Curiously the Mindless Mouth who roared - Rush Limbaugh - understands this simple fact.

Just one of many inane myths we've been conditioned to unquestioningly believe - like Earth rotates on a 'vertical' axis and north is 'up' making the north pole the 'top' of the planet.

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» which greeks? Posted by: e rice
reverend
Posted by: paul sawyer on May 17, 2008 5:26 PM   
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Not a bad piece from Moyers---though as usual too much enphasis on the motive of immediate PROFIT on part of "power elite" who dominate the government and propaganda system at the expense of the holding of POWER motivating them. It is their Power which has to be stripped----and taken "of,by and for the people." (Theodore Parker's definition of Democracy) Profit and Power of course go together, yet the slanting and censorship of information is not immediately motivated by the profit motive in terms of what people want to see and read-----rather the motive of the"power elite" is to hold onto power so that their whole political/economic situation can be preserved--- In the short run people would prefer to watch and read the "truth (that) shall make you free." yet they are fed in the main slush and falsehood and tittilation.

"the fried ice cream," as Ken Kesey put it.

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reverend
Posted by: paul sawyer on May 17, 2008 5:26 PM   
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Not a bad piece from Moyers---though as usual too much enphasis on the motive of immediate PROFIT on part of "power elite" who dominate the government and propaganda system at the expense of the holding of POWER motivating them. It is their Power which has to be stripped----and taken "of,by and for the people." (Theodore Parker's definition of Democracy) Profit and Power of course go together, yet the slanting and censorship of information is not immediately motivated by the profit motive in terms of what people want to see and read-----rather the motive of the"power elite" is to hold onto power so that their whole political/economic situation can be preserved--- In the short run people would prefer to watch and read the "truth (that) shall make you free." yet they are fed in the main slush and falsehood and tittilation.

"the fried ice cream," as Ken Kesey put it.

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Moyers is What Amounts to a "Limited Hangout"
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on May 17, 2008 8:22 PM   
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A “limited hangout” is a status quo actor who pretends to bust an obvious sham but goes nowhere near the core crime. For that would actually threaten the ruling class that runs the “left” and “right” like a mob don runs his capos, whores and moles.

"It is not for lack of honest and courageous individuals who would risk their careers to speak truth to power -- a modest risk compared to those of some journalists in authoritarian countries..."

This is a cheap crock.

Taken as a whole, the MSM of this nation is corrupt as any that has existed. Integrity is less than zero anywhere you care to look. The media betrayal in its propaganda ramp-up to a completely bogus 9/11 cover-up into 9/11 “war on terror” verifies this beyond doubt whatever.

Another example:

When Moyers interviewed Walter Pincus of the Washington Post he didn't even touch on CIA "Operation Mockingbird" that Pincus was a known shill for. And who knows how many thousands more MSM carny barkers work under the Pentagon for its “Information Operations Roadmap” liars nest.

Moyers is virtually mum about all this. An oversight?

Hardly.

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Wealthy Dems, Do your duty
Posted by: RrrandyWurst on May 17, 2008 8:32 PM   
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Moyers is brilliant, but sometimes he says what we already know, in this case, that corporations, including corporate journalism, have hijacked American-brand democracy and smothered not only dissent, but objective analysis. The formerly liberal or truly balanced news outlets (NY Times and WashPost being two glaring examples) can no longer be trusted to give us news and analysis uninfluenced by big money.

So, if that's the way our world is, what can be done about it? Where are the wealthy Democrats from "the good side?" Are there none willing to put their money into a national daily publication? Americans need a daily that would have reporters in places where important news is not being fairly covered, or covered at all, by the corporate/insider news. At least 40% (probably more) of Americans crave this.

Sounds to me like a yawning market niche, not to mention the good you'd be doing, not only for America, but for the entire downtrodden, threatened, fearful, and suffering planet. Where are you guys? Mrs. Kerry? Mr. Soros? Et al?

Rrrandy Wurst (wurstwisdom.com)

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Reform is not enough, the government must be replaced.
Posted by: tjkenn on May 18, 2008 6:46 AM   
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The two-party system is an abject failure.

Its time for a parliamentary system that requires coalition building between parties and factions. We won't be stuck with two barely distinguishable choices, who collude in efforts to consolidate their power-base.

We need a democracy, not a corporate oligarchy bent on sustaining an empire, as the populace is bled dry.

Its time to declare the current government "null and void," and begin writing a new constitution that puts citizens above corporations, recognizes the true costs of consumption including the environmental and moral costs, and restores the concept of the "common wealth."

The first thing to do is strip corporations of the protections they enjoy under the present system. Remove their legal standing as citizens. Step two is to outlaw lobbying, in all forms. Publicly funded elections would be third, including run-off elections. Let's restore term limits as the framers envisioned them, and do away with government as a profession. (Provide one, 6 year term for president and limit the congress to two 4 year terms.)

For this to happen, we need a movement, not to reform government but to abolish and replace it. Stop participating in the sham as it is and ask yourself what kind of country you want to live in.

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Thank you, Bill Moyers!
Posted by: sirios on May 18, 2008 7:46 AM   
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moyers maybe the only serious journalist worth watching on tv today. oberman and others are inciteful in their satirical format. i throughly enjoy satire, but how much of the laugh gets shifted away from the needed escape of entertainment and into ,enough is enough!

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Thomas Jefferson: Americas Baby Daddy
Posted by: anise on May 18, 2008 8:07 AM   
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Bill Moyers Must Have forgotten this countries origins;When you know origins you know outcomes and preditably the Origins of America speaks of where it is in this moment in time . Mr. Moyers Speaks of founding Fathers like this land was empty; yeh fathers Like you know ;Thomas Jefferson is this countries BABY DADDY be for real; at some point we are what we do

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two choices
Posted by: jstepp590 on May 18, 2008 11:33 AM   
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I agree with everything in this article. It will eventually lead to one of two things.

1) Implementation of a Clean Election system. This is the simplest and easiest choice, one that doesn't put our republic at risk. Read about it here.

http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/48405/?page=1

2) Our equivalent of the French Revolution. Eventually, if things don't change we will have to resort to violence to get rid of them. It may take 20-50-100yrs to reach that point but it will happen as sure as the sun comes up. It is written into our constitution that we have the right to replace our government when they no longer meet the needs of the people. This is the real reason our founding fathers gave us the right to bear arms. It could very well end our republic, but at least we will have the satisfaction of burning down the houses of the people responsible and shooting everyone running out.

Sound too extreme? Read your history, its happened over and over in the past. How do you think Communism and Democracy started in the first place? This is especially true considering our government is supporting a new election mechanism that discourages double checking voting accuracy, meaning that we have no idea whether our votes even matter as anything besides creating an illusion of democracy.

I hope the idiots in Washington and Wall Street are paying attention. It's their lives and their families lives at stake, as well as ours. Maybe they are, they just tried to buy Blackwater, which is essentially an illegal private mercenary army with it's own 3000+ acre training camp. For all the good it would do them when the hammer dropped.

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» RE: two choices Posted by: Dboy
a modest risk?
Posted by: Ghoulman on May 18, 2008 1:15 PM   
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... oh, journalists are at real risk from American authority. Don't think it can't happen. Everything fro being followed and beaten by cops for attending a peace rally to being UNembedded in Baghdad.

Whistle-Blower Points to Target List in US Attack on Hotel

Still, great sentiments offered from Moyers. Cheers. :)

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» RE: a modest risk? Posted by: Dboy
Not because news is boring, but revelatory....
Posted by: LMR998 on May 18, 2008 2:13 PM   
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I agree 99% with Mr. Moyers, but the last paragraph reveals his job-saver caveat.

Television (and print) media are not relegating news to tiny slots filled mostly with celebrity fluff because they fear losing viewers. No, the answer is much simpler: if the media allow the news to be told, their role in the destruction of the US government will be uncovered as well, their complicity with the sort of big business Mr. Moyers decries will be exposed, and they will be re-subjected to the same sort of regulation they fought so tooth-and-nail to abolish in the last 30 years.

It's not only big oil, it's Rupert Murdoch, too: the few, the proud, the ruling class.

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nothing's really happening
Posted by: sre on May 18, 2008 2:33 PM   
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Go back to sleep like good children.

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To Change the System Examine the Mythology that Makes it Work Against You
Posted by: NDK on May 18, 2008 2:39 PM   
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The Mythology of America that is taught from the cradle to the grave is the main enemy of the American people and their ability to manage the current crisis of their constitution and their freedom.

"The daze of bait-and-switch and bullshit are over. This is the 21st Century. Apple pie will kill you." - Enn

You are all bound up in Apple Pie. Imagine walking through a giant Apple Pie. Sticky sweet, trapped in a thick crust and baking in an oven. All that sweet sugar, clinging and clogging your system. Distracting you with 'sweetness' with sugar-coated crust and all the while whittling away your will and determination. The American Dream is not a 'dream' at all, it is a nightmare.

Bill Moyers is telling it like it is. That America has such a free articulator in place at all at this time is remarkable. That at least some of you continue to support him, and others like him, phenomenal.

But it's not enough to know how it is. You've got to be able to do something with that knowledge. To achieve a consensus is one thing, the second step of having the situation summated for you with a heavy dose of truth, however inconvenient, generates that consensus.

The third step is understanding the root causes of the problem and that problem is that unfortunately, as Americans you have been fed Apple Pie and from the cradle to the grave that's what you believe in. Apple pie.

What am I talking about? I'm not an American though I truly wanted to be, once. At least until I saw what Apple Pie had done to America and Americans. I'm talking about American Mythology, and a symbol of American Mythology is Apple Pie. You have many more symbols that are part of American Mythology, the mythology that is part of who you are. The problem of Americans changing their system is that to change their system they must first recognize that they are part of that system and they must then attack and oppose the very ideas and ideals that they've been taught, which have lead them into this paralyzed state of futility that is the illusion of freedom. The words of your highest ideals lack the substance of reality in your lives, which are under heavy threat. So the place to look to is the reality of the words and how they have come to lack substance. The lies will thus be exposed and with the lies exposed you can begin the process of making the words reflect in reality what they mean.

An article you can read to help get started is Marie Ourganjian's Exposing American Mythology (http://www.freearticulator.com/).

To activate minds that are dumbed down and sugar bombed into ill health and sticky sugar-high thinking ("Apple Pie, anybody?") you must first change the mythology but before that you must get a perspective on what that mythology actually is.

This is the most difficult thing to do. Because you must examine the very ideas you have been taught about your nation. Does the myth reflect the truth or not?

"The daze of bait-and-switch and bullshit are over. This is the 21st Century. Apple pie will kill you." - Enn

That's a statement to begin the the process. Start thinking with it, start examining "Apple Pie" look at the ingredients, realize how much sugar has taken over to disguise the fact that this apple pie that represents America is not necessarily the best diet to be raised on.

Apple pie will kill you? Stop eating apple pie. Balance your intellectual diet.

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Torches
Posted by: sre on May 18, 2008 3:10 PM   
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pitchforks, tar feathers.... What else?

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» RE: Torches Posted by: Dboy
Ringing the gongs
Posted by: Shenonymous on May 18, 2008 3:23 PM   
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thoughtcriminal, I haven’t read all the replies to your post because there are too many. It's too difficult to read them. But I want to say that I think you have made some excellent points. While it is absolutely necessary to sound the gong, which is what Moyers does and does well, we must hear the truth, we must be given the alarm. We also need constructive solutions. You are right about the need for “truly independent and democratic media...” because the American people need to hear and read the truth. Continuously. Getting that is another thing. There have to be people willing to invest money and time and skill into establishing such media. There are some media that is already in place but their voices have not been heard loud enough. It is going to take an entire movement to get anything substantial to work. It is starting to happen, see the sites listed below.

Next is to make the political system work for a government for the people and by the people. There has to emerge charismatic people who can make this happen. Thomas Jeffersons, Thomas Paines, and the like, who are real voices in our midst right now. Those American Revolutionary fellows were grand thinkers and government builders, but they are dead and only their words are left. We need people alive who are willing as Moyers indicates who will go to the wall for the good and will of the people. We have to elect progressive Democrats who have demonstrated, not just talked up a good storm, that they will make the right changes in Washington that will bring this country back to the people and take it away from the self-serving few. I say Democrats because this is essentially a two party system. Third-party candidates rarely get elected here. Multiparty politics does not work well here and won't unless we change our representational system similar to England's and Canada's multiparty politics. One step at a time.

Ironically enough there is a website produced by the U.S. State Department that publishes a “Handbook of Independent Journalism” posted July 2006 at http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/journalism/whatis.htm
How odd that there even exists such a document. It seems like good instructions. But it is a glamour page for a bogus we-the-people government. False faces like this is what keeps duping America and the world.

Conspiracy theories are useless without absolute hard proof. And even then you an only belief half of what you see or so the story goes. They are time wasters when time ought to be spent on inventing Jeffersonian type means, revolutionary type means of repairing this government. We have the most important election coming up in 50 years, if not ever. This country cannot let the status quo prevail. This country cannot suffer another day longer than January 1, 2009 under the totalitarian regime it has been so visible for the last eight years. Moyers talks about signs that the way of American government is coming to a point of volcanic eruption. Moyers is right to sound the gong. We the people, however, have to do something about it. Are you one who can provide at least one tangible solution. Pontificating about the situation is not enough and it is not good.

Robert Parry sounded the gong in 2005, Money, Media & the Mess in America, Naomi Klein, sounded the gong with Shock Doctrine, Moyers with books and TV. Maybe we need a list of gong bangers? But how many gongs do we need to hear before we get our asses in gear? The time for talk is not quite over but the time for action was yesterday!

Check out The Smirking Chimp site at http://www.smirkingchimp.com/
for liberal news, or The Free Press for objective news at
http://www.freepress.net/
and see The Media Reform Movement at http://www.freepress.net/get_involved
I will be posting a similar commentary on other websites.

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» RE: inging the gongs Posted by: Lincoln fan
» People Posted by: Shenonymous
» RE: People Posted by: Lincoln fan
Need for psychological analysis
Posted by: Robert K. MacDonald on May 18, 2008 4:44 PM   
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Progressives, like most other folks, generally neglect psychological analyses of problems like the escalating dangers of our national political and military policies.
For many Becker-based ultra-radical articles on the deep emotional dynamics driving these dangerous trends, Google psycho-imperialism.com
The most recent article is "We Need
Psychological Analysis."
Dr. Robert K. MacDonald

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There are none so enslaved as those who wrongly believe that they are free", Goethe.
Posted by: Lincoln fan on May 18, 2008 5:48 PM   
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For all of its shortcomings, we keep telling ourselves, "The system works."

This is one of the basic reasons that our system doesn't work. Until the politically active segment of the population realizes that the system is broken, they won't attempt to fix it. They will continue to vote for politicians who are working against the public's interest and in favor of the corporate interests.

A sense of political impotence pervades the country -- a mass resignation defined by Goodwyn as "believing the dogma of 'democracy' on a superficial public level but not believing it privately."

This is major reason number two for the failure of democracy. Despite the evidence and logic behind the idea of a democracy, paradoxically, the average voter is certain that the average voter is incapable of governing the country. The average voter would prefer to be governed by "experts" who are dedicated to destroying our way of life.

There are two books that I recommend that you at least read reviews of, "The Experts Speak" by Christopher Cerf and Victor S. Navasky and "The Wisdom of Crowds" by James Surowiecki. The first points out how far wrong experts can be. The second gives illustrations of how the "common sense" of a crowd is often superior to the opinion of the most intelligent member of that crowd.

These books may seem to present unusual viewpoints, but these are the views necessary in a democracy. There is solid logic behind both the skepticism toward experts and the faith in the wisdom of the multitude. In a word, the common sense of the crowd is often superior to the learning of the expert because of experience. No one expert can have the experience of even a group as small as 100 diverse "average" people.

One might argue that the expert is expert on a particular issue. Granted, but government is a panoply of diverse problems that are beyond the capability of any single individual's scope. While the leaders have access to the opinions of experts it still up to the leader to choose the correct opinion. The experience of the electorate is much better than any leader to make this choice.

Experts on any question usually disagree. Sooner or later one is proved to be right. When this happens all other experts lose their status and are no longer experts. Therefore, the "expert" is by definition always right.

One way our democracy could work is that the common sense of the voters would choose the expert or leader to follow. Unfortunately, this isn't practicable because it costs money to campaign. We are limited to choosing among candidates who are acceptable to the controlling corporate establishment.

Another way that the majority can rule, and I think that it's the best way, is that we be ruled by the majorities of numerous minorities. That is, each voter who has an all-important single issue, should tell both parties, before the election, that if his view on that issue isn't on their platform he will not vote for them; that if neither party represents him, he'll cast a protest vote. In this way we will have each issue settled before the election by the people most interested and most familiar with that issue. The people to whom that particular issue isn't vital will be ruled on that issue, by the majority of those who are interested.

We hold elections, knowing they are unlikely to bring the corporate state under popular control. Experience shows that this is more than unlikely it is absolutely certain that until we, the people, make our votes more valuable than their dollars; we will LOSE!

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"You need only be a reporter with your eyes open to see what's happening to our democracy."
Posted by: undrgrndgirl on May 18, 2008 8:51 PM   
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too bad there are only a handful of open-eyed journalists left...most of them are just pr and marketing shills...

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MOST OF THE TIME THE SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM IS MORE DEMOCRACY AND NOT
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on May 18, 2008 9:41 PM   
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less. This was Harry Truamn's position. I believe it to still be true.

Why is there no national outcry for a National Initiative Petition law? Twenty two states have them. Every time we step to the polls we should have to scramble through a myriad of issues. They really don't want us voting do they. From Alexander Hamilton to Pat Buchanan we have been told by the right that democracy was wrong and a republic was right. We still don't have democracy do we?

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RE:Tell us we're idiots because we keep voting for the wrong people.
Posted by: master09 on May 18, 2008 11:10 PM   
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Americans by a majority are idiots and the Bush administration proves it. You knew that they stole the first election and enough of you idiots voted so that they could steal the second election; and yes the whole world know that you are idiots. The biggest idiocy of all are the facts that the establishment and the press have convinced a large number of you idiots that black Americans are less of a patriot(flag pin) and are a enemy of this country; you will never solved the problem of this country and that of the world believing this bullshit. You want to know why I believe you are so willing to believe this crap because you are just here for the ride, a day by day person so to speak (if the stock market crash) some of you know what mean. Black people are not the enemy of this country; who was it that said " THE CONSTITUTION WAS JUST A GODDAM PIECE OF PAPER" it was neither a black person or a demoncrate, vote republicans again all you IDIOTS.

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YOU ARE ALL GOING TO BE LOCKED UP
Posted by: mindtrvlr on May 19, 2008 1:58 AM   
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hAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT WHERE YOU WILL BE LIVING IN THE FUTURE. CHECK THIS OUT..

http://www.uaff.us/deathcamps.htm

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CommonDreamer
Posted by: CommonDreamer on May 19, 2008 8:24 PM   
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Bill Moyers is entirely right - great article on the descent. The election and re-election of the worst right wing regime in history was the harbinger. It signaled some kind of strange will of the people to descend into the most selfish idiocracy possible...why, after America having been such a great country - why would people want this dumbed down, fascist, mindless consumerist society...after having had the Great Society?

Parents no longer do the job of teaching civics, morals, strength, intellectualism, wisdom, or anti-consumerism. The worship of stars has taken the place of worshiping morally great, interesting and intelligent heros. Selfishness was legislated as the new standard of behavior by the oafs in office. Not once has it been asked, as Kennedy did, "Ask not....". Instead the whiny, overpaid and underworked were indulged with giant cars, overblown mansions (for which they incredibly, receive tax breaks, and no one asked a damn thing of them for this "war", unlike for wars past, when the wealthy paid taxes to finance them). It was our "right" to steamroller the entire world with our food consumption, our energy consumption and our lack of sensitivity towards those less fortunate.

Now that we have entirely gone downhill, bankrupted the American consumer, middle and lower classes, and are morally and intellectually bankrupt and ripped off by the plutocracy, where else is there to go but up? The self indulgent me era - we can only hope - will implode as it must and perhaps we will have an attempt at another Great Society now that the emptiness and sordid results of the sole pursuit of profit as our God are so apparent.

It's up to the voters now...we can only hope.

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perplexed
Posted by: perplexed on May 21, 2008 2:22 PM   
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I have never read or heard what Bill Moyer has to say that I didn't like. It is a shame that more Americans don't or can't read him. This world would surely be a better place if they did. We Americans have to take a stand and boycott the sponsors of programs like FOX. Russert, Steffffaoplos, etc, BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT then maybe we can get more intellegent and unbiased news. We need another Ted Turner to start a new new network.

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There are NO practical ways to prevent this.
Posted by: Blair T. Longley on May 21, 2008 5:02 PM   
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I regard Moyer's statements above as obvious truisms.

I also skimmed through most of the comments made.

To actually be fully honest about this situation is to
admit there are no practical solutions to problems.

The only realistic "solutions" are for things to get worse.

The vicious spiral of lies and coercions
will spin out of control until there was
some collapse into chaos ...

Everything that proposes to be "solutions"
are things that shall precipitate collapses.

To defeat one system of lies and coercions
takes another system of lies and coercions.

To defeat the established dishonesty,
backed up with violence, would take a
greater dishonesty and violence, BUT,
that will only end up making it worse.

The people who publish their sanctimonious exhortations that

"WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING!!!"

only aggravate me with their bullshit solutions.

Violent revolution will make things get worse ...

Indeed, violent revolutions will only manifest
after things have gotten bad enough so that
fragmentation inside the military/police has
already happened enough for there to be
some real revolution and civil war ...

before that, rebellions will be suppressed,

before that, revolution will not work, and

when revolution finally does start working,

that will be because things have then gotten

bad enough for that degree of collapse to chaos.

Making "democracy" work sounds nice in theory ... BUT,

in practise it is not possible, for all of the reasons,

given by Bill Moyers, as to why democracy has died ...
________________________________________________

After the banksters gained enough control over governments,

to have the power to make new fiat money out of nothing, &

have been able to enslave the taxpaying population to have

to "repay" within that their endless money-as-debt" system,

then "democracy" is already dead, & the rest is some farce.

The banksters, & corporations that surround those banksters,

are already based on legalized lies, and have already got the

power to control the means of production and communication.

The fascist plutocracy already controls the police/army, and

already the fascist plutocracy can pay for any mercenaries.

The civilization is already controlled by its huge lies,
backed up with lots of violence, & must necessarily
spin out of control towards collapsing into chaos.

"Solutions" are going to be new systems
of lies and coercions that might be able to
survive through that and emerge thereafter.

Civilization always was and must be
some system of organized robberies.

American is headed for more revolution & civil war.

They will not make things get any better,
but will merely be signs of how extremely
bad the real situation has actually become.

If there is enough society left to survive after that,
then we should hope for a new, and better kind
of constitution that has better systems of the
division of powers and checks and balances ...

We would need a new constitution, & a new education,
that taught citizens of that republic that governments
must necessarily be the best organized criminal gangs,
and that all citizens had their responsibility to become
governing members of their gang of organized robbers.

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As Usual, Bill Moyers Is Right on the Money ....
Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on May 22, 2008 7:44 AM   
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No pun intended. And its refreshing to read something written above the usual eighth grade level here (not that I mean to elevate Marie Cocco).

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it is bad to come to a party late
Posted by: whealeydj on May 25, 2008 4:05 AM   
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such a good article. so many comments but most from last week. maybe if I read the book I will get answers to what is to be done now.

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