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The Psychology of the Right-Wing's Anti-Government 'Death-Panel' Delusions

By Michael Bader, AlterNet. Posted September 5, 2009.


Calling people brainwashed, racist or stupid feels good but doesn't really explain the heart of their irrational fear and hatred of government.
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A lot of heavyweight thinkers have offered explanations of the irrationality of modern political behavior -- you know, behavior like Medicare recipients at town halls screaming about the evils of government-run health care, or otherwise-reasonable people likening President Barack Obama's plan to Nazi eugenics.

George Lakoff theorizes that conservatives interpret reality through metaphors and meta-narratives modeled after authoritarian family structures.

Drew Westen argues that they interpret facts according to emotional investments in conclusions they already hold, bypassing cortical centers of reason altogether.

These and other analyses are powerful and helpful. But they aren't satisfying to me because they aren't specific enough to account for both the passionate urgency and self-destructiveness of the right-wing rejection of a program that will obviously benefit them.

In both my consulting room and my writing and teaching about organizational and political change, my focus is on understanding the often unconscious causes of irrational and self-destructive thinking and behavior.

However, whenever I ascribe such motivations to political attitudes, I often encounter two types of negative responses: First, the people I'm "studying" -- in this case, the Right -- feel demeaned (much like campus radicals did in the 1960s and 1970s who were told they were simply working out their "issues" with authority). And second: People on my side of the political aisle tell me that I'm using psychological mumbo-jumbo to unnecessarily complicate something quite simple. In this case, the simple truth turns out to be some throwaway line like "They're just racist idiots," or "They've been manipulated by the radical right."

While I personally share the anger at the right of my progressive detractors, I would point this out to them: Just because we all have unconscious minds that irrationally interpret and react to the world, it doesn't mean that we aren't motivated by other feelings and attitudes as well, or that we shouldn't be held accountable for the damage we do in the process.

It simply means that when people routinely act against their own best interest, it's worth understanding all levels of their motivation. Progressives, by the way, aren't immune to unconscious self-sabotage; they display such irrationality all the time when, for example, they launch quixotic campaigns against the "enemy" that don't stand a chance of winning.

But in the case of health care reform and the anti-government rage we see in town halls and "tea party" events, the irrationality seems to me more prominent on the right.

I'm not talking about the behavior of people who have a vested interest in the status quo or are shilling for them. I'm talking about ordinary folks who are currently acting against their best interest.

Of course, they don't think that this is what they're doing. When people do or say irrational things, they always think they're being reasonable. I'm arguing that it's patently against their best rational interests to fight against health reform, to vilify government when it helps and protects them every day, and do so in ways that insure that the folks who are screwing them continue to be able to do so.

For example, at a recent tea party demonstration in Sacramento, Calif., a participant, Walter Branson, was interviewed. Branson said that he had worked for many years in the lumber industry but hadn't worked at all this year. His unemployment benefits were about to run out and, he added, "winter is coming."

He further reported that a lumber company executive had just spoken at the rally and claimed that business was down because of environmental regulations. Now, I don't know Branson but his anti-government zeal interests me because he clearly benefits from what he hates. Among the myriad ways he depends on government is his unemployment insurance, a government program, and one that has recently been extended by that same government as part of Obama's stimulus package.

And it's widely accepted that the timber industry is depressed primarily because of a slow down in new-home construction, international competition, and rapidly vanishing old-growth trees -- none of which were caused by government. Protecting the spotted owl was only the icing on the cake.

Arguing that Branson is brainwashed, racist or stupid feels good but doesn't really explain the heart of his irrational fear and hatred of government.

So, I'd like to offer another theory, another narrative about the psychology of angry conservatives. It's a narrative that hopefully will deepen our understanding, and, therefore, our ability to politically respond.

The current language of the right in this debate is all about the perils of government taking over our lives, robbing us of freedom, and even threatening our survival (or that of our aging parents).

After wending its way through our minds and picking up steam from hot-button symbols like Nazi Germany and communism, the picture of government that emerges looks increasingly like a tyrannical parent who wants to control us. It's not simply an authoritarian parent, but one who wants to suffocate and rob us. Lakoff has argued that we need to redefine this metaphor into one of a family based on care, and he's right.


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Michael Bader is a psychologist and psychoanalyst in San Francisco. He is the author of Arousal: The Secret Logic of Sexual Fantasies, and Male Sexuality: Why Women Don't Understand It -- and Men Don't Either. He has written extensively about psychology and politics.

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S 2028 house bill 108
Posted by: LillianB on Sep 5, 2009 1:44 AM   
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Before judging right wing paranoia (I'm a registered Independent), please read the new bill in Massachusetts that could ultimately affect us all, S 2028, house bill 108.

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» RE: S 2028 house bill 108 Posted by: philosimphy
» RE: S 2028 house bill 108 Posted by: Ray Duray
Authority
Posted by: philosimphy on Sep 5, 2009 2:27 AM   
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~~~

Look at it from the Winger’s point of view:

When the dems come into power the wingers start to test their boundaries by acting out. If the acting out is tolerated, they start to wonder if there is anything the (A)uthority (F)igure won’t tolerate. Will the AF tolerate threats from outside sources?If the AF doesn’t have the balls to tell his own citizens to stop making trouble, will he have the balls to stop true enemies from making trouble? At the base of it is the worry that if the AF can’t even stand up to *us*, then he won’t have the balls to protect *us*.



They respect authority. They expect authority to keep people in line. ALL people, themselves included. That’s what I think a lot of people don’t realize.

The Authoritarians

Respect Mah Authoritah!

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know your enemy, teach them to think for themselves...
Posted by: swansong on Sep 5, 2009 3:30 AM   
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Century of the Self Episode 4

The politics of psychological manipulation... very fascinating series by Adam Curtis. Watch episode 4 on Reagan/Thatcher and Clinton/Blair eras and their methodological and ideological transformations.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?
docid=1122532358497501036&hl=undefined#

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The Trap

How did we get into this conspicuous situation, with its imbalances of power and wealth, and the populace brainwashed as docile consumers... This film expounds upon the deception that we are "free," and the insidious framework inherited from Cold War thinkers John Nash and RAND analysts that has undermined our very humanity. His use of historical footage and primary sources is impeccable.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?
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The Power of Nightmares

Incredible insight into the parallel rise of the Neoconservative and Islamic Fundamentalist movements, incredible footage and interviews as usual.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?
docid=4933960062431353720
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FOR LINKS TO MORE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js39hh9OkpQ
http://www.rewtube.com

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» Yes, you are right... Posted by: wmholt
the democrats of the right wing want to bring rule by the mob
Posted by: jonodavidson on Sep 5, 2009 3:43 AM   
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I don't think the right-wing hates government, or they would not be so politically active. They do like to experience being politically active, and they challenge anyone who wishes to provide a direction for them to follow without their direct consent. They are the democrats of the republican party, and they demonstrate why Aristotle described democracy as rule by the mob.

I would think that a true republican would support the right of their elected officials to represent the interests of the people in their various districts in the Congress. A democrat would support the direct rule of the majority in all decisions of the state in law. At least a republican form of government is one in which elected officials represent the people of their district in a general congress in a legislative assembly. A democratic form of government is where the people rule by the majority.

Having political parties claiming names describing a form of government really makes it difficult to understand the issues that are actually dividing a party. The parties are obviously agreed upon the form of government under which they are operating, so their names are not descriptive of their purposes. That means we elect people who are not representing anyone, and they pursue power for their own interests. Maybe the right wingers should be scared. Heck, I never know what our government will do next, but I am not being surprised.

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» RE: the right wing Posted by: SteveA
Self Delusion
Posted by: ender on Sep 5, 2009 5:30 AM   
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People's capacity to see what they want to is almost limitless.

Normally we can reject that which conflicts with our worldview with subconscious ease. When we are confronted with irrefutable proof or a logical argument, the parts of the brain associated with rational thinking will shut down (we get angry or fearful and start yelling) as a defensive measure because something that challenges a person's worldview is a direct threat against one's core identity. It is *much* easier to yell or ignore than it is to listen and reevaluate.

The GOP specifically targets and cultivates members who place high importance on the value of unquestioning faith (religion) and tradition (conservatives). Both religion and tradition inherently insulates it's members, leading to distrust and xenophobia that limits exposure and/or acceptance of new information with similar dogmatic exercises social reinforcement. The rules of social reinforcement - like the thought construct imposed on the followers - are reassuringly well defined, and are of course designed to self-perpetuate.

These people have been faced with a double whammy: their trusted good ol' boy fucked up the country so badly that a black man was elected by a landslide over a POW hero.

A more direct frontal assault on their collective psyche is hard to imagine, and at this point they are willing to believe anything: Sarah Palin is qualified, Obama is a secret Muslim, hates America, the birthers, the teabaggers, the Texas secessionists, the tenthers - who knows what crazy du jour we'll see tomorrow but I suspect rational people will continue to be horrified.

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» RE: Self Delusion Posted by: SteveA
» RE: Self Delusion Posted by: ender
» Well said! Posted by: wmholt
Psychology
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Sep 5, 2009 5:51 AM   
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If wing nuts are subconsciously afraid of their dependence on others, why do they support a larger military, more government spying, and more government control of their private lives?

The trouble with progressives is not their quixotic campaigns. In fact, I have some respect for their energy and determination to do the right thing, despite the odds. Even if you fail, at least you've done the right thing.

What I find a waste of time and energy is their obsessive need to understand their enemies through reason and social science. And at the root of that appears to be an desperate need to have faith in the goodness of mankind and our intellects...and perhaps a latte-liberal need to feel intellectually superior.

Sometimes evil is just evil. And sometimes an idiot is just an idiot. Anyone who wastes his time fighting against his own interests and the legitimate interests of others can be safely written off as an evil idiot, regardless of whether his father didn't hug him enough...or hugged him too much...I'm sure many progressives didn't have nice childhoods either.

If you find getting into the heads of wing-nuts interesting and fun, that's cool. But I think doing so in order to "humanize" them or make excuses for their behavior is quixotic in a bad way. Hitler might have been a frustrated artist who had a fear of intimacy and a soft spot for animals and children, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a piece of crap.

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» RE: who can be safely written off? Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Psychology Posted by: DaBear
Americans Do NOT Trust their Government
Posted by: SteveA on Sep 5, 2009 6:31 AM   
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The federal gov't keeps showing us (2009 version: Cash for Clunkers payments) that it not only cannot do most things well, but burns through money like a bunch of drunk teenagers while screwing up everything it touches.

Most of today's conservatives were right there with Jimmy Carter, or Geo. McCovern, or Adlai Stevenson, or even FDR, until they learned better. Your time WILL come, I promise.

If you are not liberal when you're young, you have no heart! But - if you are not conservative when you are older, you have no brain!

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» RE: Lauren Posted by: SteveA
» RE: Ever heard of Fouad Ajami? Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Nice Talking Point Posted by: LeaderofMen
» RE: Leader of Men Posted by: SteveA
Victimhood
Posted by: LeaderofMen on Sep 5, 2009 7:10 AM   
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Michael, you might have missed the obvious. These psychopaths have a foundational emotional basis of being VICTIMS. They adhere to a religion based on victimization. The authority structures of their families are based on power-abuse structures (perpetuating victimization), they wield weapons and brandish them constantly, and they are the ones who feel so victimized that they have a deep-seated need to drag blacks behind trucks in chains, beat up gay appearing people in the streets, and tell the entire nation that they can't believe a black man is occupying the WH and THEY aren't.

I say they are genetically programmed to be victims and follow their genetics to a T.

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» RE: teaching discrimination Posted by: Sister_Lauren
At the heart of our national problems...
Posted by: L5 on Sep 5, 2009 7:37 AM   
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The fact wing-nut-loons get elected to any public representative office in the first place is at the heart of the problems our country is facing. I propose the following requirements for ballot placement of any public representatives:

Mandatory application process requirements for all elected public representatives before having their name placed on any public voting ballot would include;

All applicants applying for election to any office of public representation would be required to publicly disclose their medical, educational, military, tax, investment holdings, criminal arrest records and employment history before their name could be placed on any ballot.

All applicants would be required to meet the same psychological stability and physical fitness requirements that nuclear missile silo launch crew personnel are required to meet before being allowed near missile launch control panels.

All applicants would be required to reveal all domestic and foreign donors.

All applicants would be screened for sexual predatory/pedophile preferences and traits.

All applicants would be screened for fanatical religious, racist or cult beliefs.

Upon being elected all public representatives would be required to;

All elected representatives would be banned from all communications with any lobbyists, con-men, known liars, thieves, perverts, religious fanatics, corporation CEO’s, hookers and criminals, either directly or indirectly.

All elected representatives would be required to read in entirety…and pass a test on the content of each bill, with a grade of B+ or higher, before they can cast a vote for any legislation.

All elected representatives would be required to pass urine and breathalyzer tests before each vote they cast for any legislation and be subject to random substance abuse testing at all other times.

All elected representatives would be required to live in public housing while in Washington DC and public housing in their own districts when there, for the first year of their term.

All elected officials would be required to take public transportation and pay for all travel needs, local, national and international.

All elected officials would be required to pay for the most expensive and least effective health insurance plan with the highest co-payments available when they enter office.

All elected officials would be paid based on meeting quarterly performance requirement goals.

All elected officials would be exempt from obtaining any taxpayer supported pension plan while holding office…etc., etc., etc.

…Sort of sounds like what the rest of us have to go through when we apply for a job or what we have to endure to keep the jobs we have.

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For years, George Lakoff has warned progressives against framing in the wrong direction.
Posted by: maxpayne on Sep 5, 2009 8:18 AM   
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The conservatives are not as strong as the reactionaries in the fake "left" would have us believe. For example, if the Democrats in Congress would have used their power to stop Bush from getting everything he wanted in 2007 and 2008 and had pushed their progressive and liberal values out there on the offensive, the party would have been known as bold and even Bush would have conceded. Instead, it's all giving Bush everything he wants and more and making themselves weaker. The same thing on health care. This one is even worse. The Democrats have a strong veto proof majority and the White House so they cannot blame the Republicans for obstructing their plans and what do they do? First, they force single payer off the table and get on the wrong track with Taxachussetts care. If you think I'm a Republican for saying this, you're not paying attention. Next, they put up this so-called "public option" which is still a win-win for Big Insurance. Then, it's a matter of watering it all down and engaging in Bush style negotiations with Big Pharma and keeping the ban on Cannabis intact. Finally, they drop the public option and look what a fucked up bill is about to come ! No wonder the guns and ammo sales keep shooting up and the unpopularity of the White House and Congress are spilling into local races such as this year's gubernatorial races in Virginia and New Jersey. Call me another "cassandra of troy" but when smoke is coming out from underneath your garden, chances are a volcanic eruption will destroy your land one week later and that you had better plan and evacuate before it's too late.

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Pay Backs Are a Crazy bitch
Posted by: Purple Girl on Sep 5, 2009 8:38 AM   
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The Bushies crowd is pissed not only becuase we said the same things about W, but more annoyed by the fact we're being proven right.
'00 was stolen, '04 rigged. Cheney & Rummy Highjacked the Exec Branch.Now That has to piss the Righties off, to have your Pres called an Idiot and your VP essentially agree. Cheney pulled off a Coup the 1st 4 yrs.
Beyond that we called his admin Nazi's,Fascists and even compared him to Hitler (Cheney as Darth- destroyer of Planets).Worse we are beginning to see the Left was not too far off the mark. Controlling Media, Undermining Congress' Oversight and powers, Rendition, Black Sites, Torture , Domestic Spying, Rejecting Federal laws and International treaties, Invading a country without cause, and of course absolutely no regard for the planet...
Bush and Cheney are not only the Worst Top dogs this country's ever seen, they are the most criminal. They have the potential to face numerous high crimes- domestically and internationally. These Right Wingers cheered them on all the way. Called those who opposed their criminal activities "Unpatriotic".But that didn't suffice, they had to take it a step further and justify the atrocities with 'Christian' passages.
The Revelations coming out about the Conspiracy of lies during the last admin has not only blown their political minds, but also their religious minds."Crusade", Bible passages on miltiary Ops. If Bush and Cheney are found guilty of Treason,War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity (etc etc)-It will also be an indictment against those who wholeheartedly supported their action with Scripture!
The only way to rectify the situation, or at least lessen the mental blow, (since they can not stop investigations and prosectuions) is to make the Next Pres and Admin look as bad or worse.
These Townhollers, teabagger,'deathers' and 'Birthers' are people on the verge of a fundmental psychiatric breakdown.
Come on they are already showing signs of schizophrenia- Medicare is Gov't run, everyone knows this. LBJ, a democrat, Created the program- everyone knows this too. yet these 'seniors' hate gov't run programs?
Further proof is in the Fact these 'Christians' are calling for 'soldiers' and 'Armies' of Christ?? Ahhhh- Dudes Christ never weilded a weapon, nor recruited soldiers or mounted armies....That was the Romans.In fact if you believe Revelations He doesn't need such things in the 'final battle' either.So who ya 'packin' For??
These folks are collectively in a mental meltdown- everything they believed has been proven wrong- treasonous, criminal, heretical. So they are trying to double down on the 'Old song & dance'in hopes they can convince everyone else they are still the most patriotic and Devote.
Two thing separate the Bat shit Left from the Bat shit Right- First Lefties no longer resort to violence.Even though we like to act like we would, we are not avid Gun enthusiasts, in general. Second we are not motivated, collectively, by a Religous doctrine, which determines our eternal salavation or damnation.
Lets Be honest, Some of Us were getting a lil' crazy during Cheney's reign of terror- looking over our shoulders, sure our PC's were under surveillance (who knows we may still be proven rational on some of these 'paranoias'). But the Election of Obama helped ease our fears, and even some hatreds.
These Right Wingers need someone in leadership to counsel them on how to square the last 8 yrs in their own minds. How to live with the realization that they had all been duped and in ways complicite by failing to perform the duties of a citizen in a democracy. To be informed, to question 'authority' and demand real answers. But instead of asking this of the ones who decieved them, they have turned this new found civics exercise on the Next Admin, instead.

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» RE: Pay Backs Are a Crazy bitch Posted by: wagnerrocks@gmail.com
Robert Wales Ph.D.
Posted by: Robert Wales, Ph.D. on Sep 5, 2009 9:54 AM   
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Good article. Well thought out for a change. Thank you. Three brief items I wish to add: 1.) Psychology has largely been passed over and supplanted by law and medication. Both sectors profit by rendering psychology moot. Psychological positions are frequently met with disbelief and termed 'liberal apologists' and the like. No thought required.
2.) We, as a fundamentally Christian nation are susceptible to guilt, as in original sin etc. Many issues involving our government are couched in such a way as to tap into that guilt,eg., 'save water-take short showers' when, in fact, industry and agriculture utilize over 90% of available potable water. 'Support the troops' is another one of many shining examples of this dynamic.
3.) Divergence between culture and government is a widening chasm wherein we-the-people struggle for more civility while the government continuously becomes more aggressive and intolerant of our very existence and that of other countries. These may very well lead to our final unraveling.

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» RE: obert Wales Ph.D. Posted by: Morell
» RE: obert Wales Ph.D. Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: obert Wales Ph.D. Posted by: DaBear
DISTRUST AND FEAR OF GOVERMENT IS QUITE RATIONAL...
Posted by: Prinzowhales on Sep 5, 2009 10:22 AM   
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...or did Mr. Bader perhaps find the weapons of mass destruction that were 'north, east, south and west of Baghdad'?...Has he suddenly found a warm and fuzzy place in his heart for the Third Reich?...the USSR?...perhaps he can place his trust in the war criminals ensconsed in the goverment of Israel...

And, is mercury so good for your children that it must be injected into their little arms? YOUR goverment thinks so...YOUR goverment thinks that wars based on lies are necessary for your freedom...YOUR goverment tells you that Osama bin Laden is alive and well...YOUR goverment tells you that a kerosine fire in the WTC can pulverize concrete and melt steel...YOUR goverment told you that the air was fine after 9-11...YOUR goverment tells you that free trade is great for the economy...

Trust goverment? Are you kidding? Millions dead under the Communists in China....Millions dead in the gulags...Millions dead in the concentration camps...Syphillis tested on black men...US soldiers radiated watching atomic bomb explosions...Sephardic Jewish children murdered and maimed by Ashkenazi Zionist Regime in Tel Aviv with X-ray machines provided by the US...

TRUST GOVERMENT??!! That is quite irrational... It could well be described as insane.

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» you are not rational Posted by: Juven
The Future
Posted by: magistre on Sep 5, 2009 10:52 AM   
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On a psychological basis the article has merits and in some instances turns a blind eye. What worries me is that the "Astro-Turf Movement" is being used to provoke some gun-wielder to shoot the President or at the President so that nation-wide marshal law may be proclaimed. The real story here is to pay attention to "the little man behind the curtain"!

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I suppose an similar issue on the left is Big Industry
Posted by: suprmark on Sep 5, 2009 12:38 PM   
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People want money and respect and control. Lots of people on the left hate anything to do with money - especially corporate welfare and "selling out."

Interesting piece. I didn't really appreciate that the only viable solution seemed to be to simply fight though.

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Too Complicated
Posted by: Portlyric on Sep 5, 2009 12:38 PM   
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The simple truth is that they are bullies who are addicted to rage, anger, greed and selfishness. Anyone perceived to be liberal,
(their code word for weak)get's attacked just like a bigger animal attacks and dominates a smaller one. They only resent their abusers because they cannot be the abuser themselves. By aligning themselves with loud, hate infused power they feel powerful. They are Darwinian throwbacks who walk on their hindlegs. They receive education but are never educated. Corporations know exactly how to manipulate them by appealing to their ruling base instincts. They measure their happiness and success primarily by the comparative suffering of others. That is why they don't object when someone else's kid gets killed in Iraq or others die because they lack healthcare. They have chosen to behave like selfish animals instead of humans who possess a spark of divinity. Even my dogs behave better. Read John Gray's, Strawdogs. I don't agree with everything Gray says but it's certainly a reality check.

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Bill Brown, SLC, UT
Posted by: bill6117 on Sep 5, 2009 1:21 PM   
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Sir: Let me say first that you are full of more shit than a Christmas goose.You are the typically over educated, over credentialed little freak that has no idea of the real world. The average man/woman is not some frightened little worm trying to blame all their problems on others and excuse their own conduct. I am 82 years old, with four 'loving' children and grandchildren. I don't think they owe me anything. In fact it is I, who still owe them whatever I can furnish. And SIR I believe that most of us at my time of life feel exactly the same. Don't lump me with the 'handicapped' and 'incompetents'. That is the place where YOU belong.

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Our governments have gotten up to bad
Posted by: sdz on Sep 5, 2009 1:53 PM   
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A brief list:

1. Enslavement
2. Ethnic and racial cleansing, aggressive war-making and other Crimes against humanity
3. Development and use of WMD
4. Torture
5. Unlawful and unnecessary surveillance
Etc.

There are, then, reasons to check a state's power. After all, what would we expect the well-placed paranoids to do when they get massive and unchecked power? Act like Bush and Cheney, the neocons, etc.! And yet, how often does an individual's paranoia reflect realistic concerns about the world? One may wonder about this given the irrationality of the reactionary right who believe a cautious and conservative President like Obama has it in for them! This is what makes them dangerous: They wish to look into the vanity mirror to see their own reflection while holding all of the cards. "That way madness lies," Lear exclaimed. He, at least, opted to remain sane. But the same cannot be said about America's reactionaries.

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RE:post -Quite right Professor Wales, except for one detail! It's not 'pure' government which acts
Posted by: blurider on Sep 5, 2009 2:40 PM   
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against the people! It's corporations and corporate influence within the government and within the process - from campaign finance, electioneering and distortion of election results to the totally fucked up influence of lobbying in day to day political life!.

To any real degree that government isn't 'by and for' the people as expressed in our ideal of democracy - to any degree that the concerns of the left OR the right (as ordinary citizens) are left unattended, it's because of the influence of corporations.

I submit that there are NO totally 'pure' pols on either side - as demonstrated by the mere fact that they got elected in this corporate run world - and that the differences are only a matter of degree! That the left is only a little more virginal because they caught on to how to compete in that environment later than the right.

Historically corporations were the merchant class's way to compete in commerce, against the ruling elites who had 'cornered' all resources and markets. Then after some serious success and total intimidation of the ruling class, they saw that they'd better get on the side of the corporate world. It's been downhill ever since as the power of that 'partnership' grew and the glimmer of democracy has only shown a little, in the deceived citizen's eyes since then!

Today, the farmer, teacher, artist, artisan or blue collar worker who favors the right is deluded alright but only a little more so than the left leaning citizen who is at a severe disadvantage to try to change things.

Just a few moments of thought leads to the conclusion that without this influence there is simply no reason why government wouldn't, couldn't or doesn't literally fall all over themselves to, serve the people precisely as we have so naively, come to expect!

If it weren't for the corporate world we'd be the power behind OUR government.

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Conservatives are united. Progressives and liberals aren't.
Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Sep 5, 2009 2:54 PM   
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Framing is a great idea and I have read various works of George Lakoff. The more I understand Lakoff, the more I understand that even those who look like they are conservative share some progressive and liberal values and sentiments. I know some people on this site look at us queerly for actually reaching out to those who aren't rabid rightwingers but have some things in common with us. For example, at least 60% of those who oppose HR3200 which is becoming more like mandatory care with the likelyhood of no public option actually support HR676 aka single payer. And the spectrum ranges from social conservatives to strong progressives and liberals. If single payer were put on the table instead of this clumsy convulated bloat designed to benefit Big Insurance/Pharma, there would be fewer holes to poke at and people like Sarah Palin would be unable to invoke "death panels" frame. It's time to stop making it too easy for the conservatives to frame us.

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crowepps
Posted by: crowepps on Sep 5, 2009 3:59 PM   
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This was really illuminating, and the part about "vicariously defending their own right to feel innocent, to be dependent, to get some care and protection" might explain the otherwise irrational passion focused on the abortion debate which is also about "those who are indisputably dependent and to whose defense they can safely come."

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» RE: crowepps Posted by: Sister_Lauren
THESE PEOPLE ARE CHILDREN
Posted by: drricklippin on Sep 5, 2009 4:17 PM   
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They were fed the mind poison of a vengeful all powerfull God in their first decade of life. And these pathologic neurotracks became permanant.

Their world view is one of fear- not hope

They have an immature and extreme fear of death which pervades all of their politics.

They really never grew up. And actually they can't.

That is why we must focus on future generations. Our only hope?

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa

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» RE: THESE PEOPLE ARE LIBERALS!! Posted by: Sister_Lauren
An Observation
Posted by: westomoon on Sep 5, 2009 8:29 PM   
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As soon as panicky talk of "death panels" and "killing Grandma" surfaced, I had a powerful flashback to the 70's, when abortion was still being hotly debated and "right to lifers" were still carrying around pickled fetuses in jars. A fiery young feminist like I was then was irresistible to the anti-choice folks, so I spent a lot of time trying to make these folks see reason, while they did the same to me.

It always turned out that the fear of abortion was a thin skin over the fear of euthanasia -- the "right to lifers" deep passion was a passion for saving their own lives. Nearly every single one of these hundreds of discussions devolved very quickly into "abortion leads to euthanasia and my children will kill me when I'm old."

I am not offering conclusions here, just wanted to share this observation -- the fear of killing unwanted adults has been vivid for along time among these folks, and they have been assuming all along that they'd be the unwanted adults. I guess it's easier to slam on as many controls as they can, rather than exert themselves to be likable.

And really, when you look at people like Tom DeLay, Ted Haggard, and Turd Blossom, how wrong do you suppose they really are in assuming that the people who are stuck with them want them dead?

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The root of the problem is in the government
Posted by: jonodavidson on Sep 6, 2009 2:36 AM   
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You know, we will never fix the problems in our government unless we discover the means for uniting the open-minded liberals with the right wing fanatics in a common effort to establish justice. The founding fathers were joined in a unified effort to address the problems they were experiencing under the form of government which they had grown accustomed to by defining justice in such a manner that they all agreed it to be true.

The problem we are having in our society is that there is no respect for the authority of God over his creation by the liberals who live here. They deny that America is a Christian nation and persuade themselves that God had nothing to do with this nation's founding. They have convinced themselves that God is only an idea that people have propagated through custom and practice.

If a liberal were willing to consider the facts concerning the bonds that unite us as a people with an open-mind in order to discover the true nature of those bonds, then he would discover the means by which he can become empowered by God to take action.

The British had the finest infantry in the world, supported by the most powerful navy. They had defeated all challengers to the rights to control the east india company. The empire was at the height of power and a superpower to be reckoned with by any nation on earth. The loss of the American colonies did not diminish its power as a nation state after America had established its independence, for they were still capable of defeating Napoleon for control over Europe.

The colonists, on the other hand, did not have any formal army of its own. They had fought their previous battles on the frontier by forming militias in support of the British war machine. They had not tried to provocate the British into battle, but they had resisted government infringements upon their rights for over a decade prior to the first fights in 1775. The British invaded Massachusetts and occupied Boston in response to the Boston Tea Party on December 16, 1773.

The manner in which the colonial militias challenged the British forces for control in Boston is remarkable. For they did not try to seize Boston back by force. Nor did they even seek to engage the British forces who occupied Boston in battle. Instead, they stole onto Breed's Hill under the cover of night and spent the night digging field fortifications from which to defend the hill on the outskirts of Boston. The British soldiers attacked the Colonists, while dressed in full parade uniform and carrying over a hundred pounds of gear. They took the hill on the second charge when the colonists ran out of ammo.

The Declaration of Independence was drafted and signed about two weeks later. They called upon the Supreme Judge of the World for the rectitude of their intentions. God answered their call. He heard them pray. He empowered them to overcome their enemies. He established them by his might, so that America was not simply annexed back into the British Empire after the British burned the White House down to the ground. The founding fathers sailed to Europe so quickly seeking to sue for peace that they never heard the news of the British defeat in New orleans.

You liberals establish an understanding of the basic principles that were stated in the declaration of independence, and you appeal to the far-right using those principles as the basis for unifying our entire nation, and we will bring the government under our own sovereign control. You must believe in the principles even if you cannot believe in God. That is the path to power that has been our birthright and heritage, and your refusal to accept that God is almighty undermines your own authority.

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» RE: you lost me at god Posted by: Sister_Lauren
It may be something more fundamental
Posted by: TSGuy on Sep 6, 2009 6:38 AM   
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Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments

"It is one of the essential features of such incompetence that the person so afflicted is incapable of knowing that he is incompetent. To have such knowledge would already be to remedy a good portion of the offense. ( Miller, 1993 , p. 4)

"In 1995, McArthur Wheeler walked into two Pittsburgh banks and robbed them in broad daylight, with no visible attempt at disguise. He was arrested later that night, less than an hour after videotapes of him taken from surveillance cameras were broadcast on the 11 o'clock news. When police later showed him the surveillance tapes, Mr. Wheeler stared in incredulity. "But I wore the juice," he mumbled. Apparently, Mr. Wheeler was under the impression that rubbing one's face with lemon juice rendered it invisible to videotape cameras ( Fuocco, 1996 ).

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Perhaps more controversial is the third point, the one that is the focus of this article. We argue that when people are incompetent in the strategies they adopt to achieve success and satisfaction, they suffer a dual burden: Not only do they reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their incompetence robs them of the ability to realize it. Instead, like Mr. Wheeler, they are left with the mistaken impression that they are doing just fine."

The rest of the article details the testing and results.

In short, people who are incompetent at a task also lack the 'metacognitive' ability to recognize they are incompetent at a task. Paradoxically, the skills required to gain that metacognitive ability come from an increased knowledge of the topic:

"Study 4 also revealed a paradox. It suggested that one way to make people recognize their incompetence is to make them competent. Once we taught bottom-quartile participants how to solve Wason selection tasks correctly, they also gained the metacognitive skills to recognize the previous error of their ways. Of course, and herein lies the paradox, once they gained the metacognitive skills to recognize their own incompetence, they were no longer incompetent."

Not only do these people fail to understand they are working against their own best-interests, they may not even have the ability to see that as a problem.

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Here are some rational reasons to distrust alternet and our corporate state tyranny
Posted by: mtcloud on Sep 6, 2009 6:48 AM   
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Note how alternet promotes obedience to mainstream corporate themes.

Click Here For Waking Up From the Trance of
Social and Scientific Orthodox Propaganda


- 9/11 had no corporate federal, local government planning, funding and participation
-less freedom of speech,thought and action
-government access to all of our financial records in lieu of "health care reform". Which is the same insurance companies with a new look.
-government control of the internet. The government can shut down the internet immediately for what say is an emergency. The hardware is being installed for this RIGHT NOW.
-personal gun ownership is wrong. Yet our federal and local police forces now regularly kill people with tasers and increased firepower.

Wake Up before your loved one is burned alive, blown to death like my brother (Geoffrey Cloud WTC 9-11) was by our corporate federal, local government of murderers, liars. Once you have the guts to believe the truth, you won't accept anything the government says through mainstream news like FOX,CNN and Alternet

Michael Cloud

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Liberal Blinders
Posted by: Lilly on Sep 6, 2009 7:25 AM   
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Last night we had a visit with a much-loved nephew we don't see often. He has spent the past 18 years on the campuses of various northern United States universities as he pursues specialized medical training, and I'm sure he doesn't have as much time as his retired auntie, namely me, does to peruse right-wing websites, so it's reasonable to assume that he lives mostly in a liberal cocoon. Still I was surprised, as we chatted, to hear him not take the US right wing people seriously and just laugh them off as a small extremist fringe.

This Jerry Springer Show-type gang of rabid screamers has certainly derailed national health care and may have shut it down. They have effected the resignation of some of Obama's appointees. They have been instrumental in the watering-down of policies put forth by an administration that currently controls Washington. They have been gloriously successful in painting the President as Socialist, Communist, Black Militant, non-citizen, Muslim, and Anti-Christ. They have convinced much of the nation that Obama intends forcible vaccination and mercy-killing, to name only two of many preposterous claims. Right now they are controlling the debate around whether or not the President of the United States may advise our youth to stay in school and study hard, so pernicious an image has the right wing succeeded in giving a democratically elected President.

To me this has been a watershed summer when mainstream media and Congressmen began picking up the right-wing message and broadcasting it in prime time. In the 1960's the John Birchers were generally regarded as nuts. Now, statements more bizarre than anything stated then are given respect and serious media coverage. A development which, BTW, Robert Paxton defines as Stage Three in the development of a Fascist society---when the words of Rush Limbaugh are seriously repeated on the floor of the United States Congress and the inmates begin taking over the asylum.

I wonder how many liberals still believe, along our nephew and Anne Frank and Dr Pangloss, that people are basically good and that we live in the best of all possible worlds. And I find myself remembering a passage in Elie Weisel's "Night" when young Elie's father says, "So we have to wear a yellow armband? So what? You don't die of that." Weisel reports this memory of his long-ago past. Then he steps back into the present to muse, "Poor father: of what, then, did you die?".

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» RE: Liberal Blinders Posted by: SteveA
Robert Wales Ph.D.
Posted by: Robert Wales, Ph.D. on Sep 6, 2009 7:51 AM   
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The rush to blame is of no real value. Of course, big business and our government are one. Frequently there is no distinction between the two. More important is the ability to see how, in our society, we are manipulated to think in terms that frame arguments in such a way as to facilitate a desired outcome. We see this routinely in the form of patriotism trumping Constitutional rights, fabricated 'wars' that feed industry, diverting attention from real issues at home and keep citizens squarely in place under increased police control, eroding rights and all while many witness the loss of stability in their personal lives and that of the future for their children. There is money in all the positions taken by our government. These are fine themes and can barely be developed here in a comment. So, any objections might simply be due to the nature of simple comments. Many of your responses are right, I think, drugs, race, religion, money.,.all play a big role whether we like it or not. However, the rise of drug use, race relations and tensions, religion and the like are all facilitated by our government. Their hands are truly dirty. One last point, distasteful as it may be, we have to acknowledge that many Americans simply like war. Wearing a uniform, being on the more powerful side, camaraderie,the insatiable desire to display courage and even the desire to experience killing another human being are all aspects of many people that most of us find shocking and stand in utter disbelief when viewed without waving flags &c. Patriotism is used as a disguise to control the masses as is religion. Powerful tools handed down from centuries of practice.

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If you think education is expensive
Posted by: willymack on Sep 6, 2009 9:21 AM   
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Try ignorance.
What we have here is one group of people whining because some meanie or meanies stole their candy, and another afraid to confront the meanie(s) because that would CHANGE everything.
It's the CHANGE-even for the better-that's feared.
The fear is born of IGNORANCE, ignorance of even the most basic knowlege of what's in our Constitution, our history, and how our government works, or fails to work.
Any real and lasting solution to our self-inflicted woes MUST begin with a first-rate education for ALL. This must be sustained on a constant basis until our people are as educated as those of, let's say Japan or France, to name two well-educated nations.
Ignorance, especially willful and arrogant ignorance was warned against and predicted by George Orwell in his prophetic book "1984".
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength

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Two helpful things here...
Posted by: Tim V on Sep 6, 2009 9:46 AM   
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1. Even though those who rant-and-rave at Town Hall meetings are clearly acting like jerks, it's important to point out that they're not misbehaving badly enough to place themselves beyond redemption. For example, the woman who called Obama a nazi at recent town hall meeting deserved to be asked "what planet do you spend most of your time on?" by Barney Frank. However, her ignorant song-and-dance shouldn't be held against her, say, 20 yrs from now.

2. If someone is blaming himself for strictly self-destructive behavior (or is projecting this blame onto others) a good therapeautic technique might be to point out that the harm they've caused themselves is often a more-than-adequate penalty for their erroneous behavior, so they should cease the blame game entirely.

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Death panels are real...but not in the bill
Posted by: reelectnoone on Sep 6, 2009 10:11 AM   
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There are death panels already

I know you have read the stories of people denied live saving drugs by their insurance companies because it was too expensive.

Isn't this the real "Death Panel" we want so hard to blame on Obama and Congress? It is real but it is the very people who don't want change who sit on those panels. Now they are sitting on another panel to bring death to reform.

These people can't get enough death...they want more !

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"It's almost as if you have to take care of them in spite of themselves"
Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Sep 6, 2009 10:57 AM   
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It's almost as if you have to take care of them in spite of themselves, in ways that allow them the maximum amount of freedom and the maximum autonomy to say "No."

Unfortunately to many maximum freedom means relatively little freedom at all. In the case of a patient, they can refuse treatment, citizens are not so free to decide when it comes to their government.

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» RE: Also a note on codependency Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
Korten's states of consciousness applies too
Posted by: DaBear on Sep 6, 2009 4:51 PM   
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Most right-wingers including conservatives with and without paranoia and the RWA zealots alike all come from a place of Imperial Consciousness. Even a Socialized Consciousness experiencing the pains that Bader aptly describes are prone to the paranoid projection typical of their Imperial Consciousness comrades.

That's the missing ink in all of this. Bader's final few paragraphs sums up the solution. Toss in a little Sara Robinson and viola, we have the delicious dish we've all been smelling from the dining room but had no idea what it could be.

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It's much more simple than that
Posted by: pincheguru on Sep 6, 2009 9:57 PM   
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With all due respect to the author, and George Lakoff, I think what really drives the modern right in this country are personal inferiority complexes. People who follow the likes of Beck and Limbaugh are extremely insecure, and are merely desperate for something to be proud of about themselves. It really is as simple as that.

Yeah, they may not be the sharpest knives in the drawer, but they're at least smart enough to be aware that a) they are unequipped to make sense of the world around them, b) they aren't as attractive as they think they should be in a society that over-values appearance, c) they can't buy most of the shiny stuff that have become symbols of success in America, d) they aren't well liked in social circles, or e) all of the above. In short, they feel pretty crappy about themselves. A lot of it has to do with advertising, I think. Each day these people get inundated with ads and TV sitcoms that make them feel that they are, well, "losers". Each day brings another punishing blow to their self-worth. It eats away at a man (and lets face it - most of these people are males).

And then comes Beck, Rush, Hannity, and the rest of these vultures... and suddenly these otherwise dumpy, loathsome ninnies who have never been allowed to run the deep fryer unsupervised now have been entrusted with a mission of utmost importance: save America from the fascist/terrorist/communist threat!

In their everyday real lives, they may just be poor white trash with nothing going for them, no hope of a future, and no accomplishments to be proud of. But when they listen to wing-nut hate radio, they are told they are the "salt of the earth", "the Real Patriots", "the Good Citizen with a Morally Just Cause." It is all very flattering.

Having not much to be proud of personally, the movement conservatives take great pride in being Americans... and being white. Nothing helps lagging self-esteem more than to perceive oneself a member of group supposedly superior to another group. The Southern Poverty Law Center understands this psychology well.

Wing-nut radio and TV feeds this innate need for something to be proud of, adding large doses of melodrama that are as addictive as crack to those who have been starving for anything of real substance in their otherwise numbingly dull existences.

When they listen to wing-nut media, they are transformed from dim, weak, insecure, and unaccomplished losers who find themselves utterly lost in a world incomprehensibly complex to them... into Confident, Proud, White American Patriots, entrusted to honorably defend Freedom and God's Law. It's an irresistable formula.

We can talk all night about what it is about our society that produces so many folks who feel such low self-worth. That's a more complex issue. But what's far less complex is that movement conservatism in this country is simply about lending a sense of pride - however false - to people who desperately need it.

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the government must go
Posted by: Juven on Sep 7, 2009 3:39 PM   
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since it only seems to be serving itself and seeking every possible way to generate revenue off those who work. It no longer listens to its citizens and has become a mafia not much different in that regards, than ever, but the time is coming when they will have to pay the piper. It is not paranoid to hate your government and love your country.

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» RE: the government must go Posted by: Morell
The Elephant on the psychology couch...
Posted by: jlowelld on Sep 8, 2009 2:59 PM   
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From a psychological perspective the article has a certain sensibility. But I wonder if a broader argument might be found within the context of a political explanation? For example, the oppressed worker knows that they are alienated from the power base--and that there must be a reason. The big capital holders understand the danger posed by labor in potentially changing the balance of power (and the exploitive economic apparatus which big capital controls), and therefore use their monopoly of the media to shift the focus from the actual threat to wage earners (big capital) to the government--which ironically is also controlled by big capital. Ultimately, change in favor of the wage-earner class (which in the broadest terms includes psychologists) only occurs when big capital determines that the cost of holding on to a particular control mechanism is greater then making concessions. The exception to this rule is when labor unions effect change by seizing power through controlling the exploitive apparatus in favor of the worker (such as striking for the 40 hour work-week). However, with the co-opting of labor unions (in the post-WWII era by big capital), wage-earners have been left without a mentoring entity. This I would suggest is how they have become such pawns of the conservative agenda, and why they so often seem to act against their own best interests.

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article interesting but more emphasis on what can be done
Posted by: whealeydj on Sep 8, 2009 5:02 PM   
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to persuade the gullible that Murdoch and Reaganism has hoodwinked them. Blue Dogs are bad but Republicans are worse

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You are completely right
Posted by: Ahimsa on Sep 8, 2009 7:40 PM   
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Still, those people are brainwashed, racist and stupid. And a rosary of other things.
Let them eat shit.

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george
Posted by: georgekat on Sep 9, 2009 4:39 AM   
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what a lot of drivel.
Provides good reason to get rid of psychotherapy and psychotherapists.

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» RE: george Posted by: Morell
Hitler's Frames From Hitler's Playbook Used By Right EXTREMISTS
Posted by: nobyjingo on Sep 12, 2009 2:18 PM   
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Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMISTS are following Hitler's Playbook of Political Frames:

Adolph Hitler's frame in "Mein Kampf": "“At that time I (Adolph Hitler) adopted the standpoint: It makes no difference whatever, whether they laugh at us or revile us, whether they represent us as clowns or criminals; the main thing is that they mention us, that they concern themselves with us again and again, and that we gradually in the eyes of the workers themselves appear to be the only power that anyone reckons with at the moment. What we really are and what we really want, we will show the wolves of the Jewish press when the time comes.”

Adolph Hitler's frame in "Mein Kampf": “One can never count on protection on the part of the authorities; on the contrary, experience shows that it always and exclusively benefits the disturbers. For the sole actual result of intervention by the authorities—- that is, the police—- was at best to dissolve, in other words, to close the meeting. And that was the sole aim and purpose of the hostile disturbers.”

Adolph Hitler's frame in "Mein Kampf": “If through some sort of threats it becomes known to the authorities that there is danger of a meeting being broken up, they do not arrest the threateners, but forbid the others, the innocent, to hold the meeting, and what is more, the run-of-mill police mind is mighty proud of such wisdom. They call this a ‘precautionary measure for the prevention of an illegal act.’ Thus, the determined gangster is always in a position to make political activity and efforts impossible for decent people. In the name of Law and Order, the State Authority gives it to the gangster and requests the others please not to provoke him.”

"Mein Kampf" the Playbook used by Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMISTS in the United States is not being used innocently against the liberals -- the Right-Wing is trying to do a Weimar thing on President Obama and the liberals. President Obama and the liberal legislators using Neville Chamberlain type appeasement of the Right-Wing EXTREMISTS will only be thought of as weakness by the Hitleresque Right-Wing EXTREMISTS, just the same as happened to Neville Chamberlain when he thought he had negotiated "Peace in our time" for England --- the Right-Wing EXTREMISTS are after power and nothing else will do..

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Interesting Theory but, I feel there is something else
Posted by: lafrance on Sep 13, 2009 9:02 PM   
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We saw the view of government by the parents and grandparents of the now older conservatives.
They saw government as benevolent. They grew up during the depression and saw the benefits of government.
The generation that now fights so hard against government are baby boomers.
They came of age when anti establishment, evil government that does war and is big brother was the thinking.
Government in the form of FBI, CIA and those abuses being uncovered.
Government and the 68 riots.
Government and Nixon.
This the generation that changed society grew into one that is overly timid and cautious and clings to the status quo.
However, they never lost their fear and hate of the government and are the generation that embraced conspiracy theories the most.
Baby boomers were the generation that if it came into vogue or was better known of back in the 60s and 70s, most would have embraced: Libertarianism.
But, it not being a well known political movement, in the 70s became more and more republican and worshipping conservativism and Reagan.

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I KNEW IT!!
Posted by: aichbe on Sep 14, 2009 12:38 AM   
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I've thought for years that being Republican was actual indication of a certain level of mental illness, or, at the very least, a social disorder. Just being raised in a conservative home environment would tend to make a child more militaristic and superstitious (ie, a Christian Soldier-type), in some cases.

It always seemed that the Republicans I knew had formed strong opinions based on not much information, and had problems understanding, let alone accepting, a different perspective, even if legitimate proof was offered. I have frequently tried to lend books, tapes, and other media which had relevance to the discussion and which expressed a progressive point of view, but got a "no thanks" numerous times. It was sort of,"I'm not even looking because I know what I'll find" attitude.

I am, as are many others on the left, able to honestly see the other side of an issue, and if the new data I perceive is better than what I had, I'll adjust my position. I have improved my levels of tolerance of some things, and am less tolerant of others. I can even watch FOX without flinching, for a while. I guess it's hard to understand why conservatives can't even see another way to look at things, and DON'T fucking want to talk about it. Turns out, they're fucking NUTS! Who knew??

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Bush's Legacy - something for the right to hold tight
Posted by: timenotonmyside on Sep 14, 2009 5:38 AM   
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Thursday's annual Census Bureau report on income, poverty and access to health care-the Bureau's principal report card on the well-being of average Americans-closes the books on the economic record of George W. Bush.


It's not a record many Republicans are likely to point to with pride.


On every major measurement, the Census Bureau report shows that the country lost ground during Bush's two terms. While Bush was in office, the median household income declined, poverty increased, childhood poverty increased even more, and the number of Americans without health insurance spiked. By contrast, the country's condition improved on each of those measures during Bill Clinton's two terms, often substantially.


The Census' final report card on Bush's record presents an intriguing backdrop to today's economic debate. Bush built his economic strategy around tax cuts, passing large reductions both in 2001 and 2003. Congressional Republicans are insisting that a similar agenda focused on tax cuts offers better prospects of reviving the economy than President Obama's combination of some tax cuts with heavy government spending. But the bleak economic results from Bush's two terms, tarnish, to put it mildly, the idea that tax cuts represent an economic silver bullet.

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