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Armed Radical 'Minutemen' Kill Father and 9-Year-Old Daughter in Anti-Immigrant Hate

By Sally Kohn, Center for Community Change. Posted June 18, 2009.


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A week after a white supremacist attacked the Holocaust Museum in Washington, and on the day three teenagers are being sentenced in Shenandoah, Pa., for brutally beating to death a Mexican immigrant, it's time we confront the fact that behind violently anti-immigrant and supremacist rhetoric is a real urge and a real encouragement for actual violence.

On May 30, 2009, a group of armed men and women killed 9-year-old Brisenia Flores and her father in Arivaca, Ariz. The vigilantes were Minutemen, members of a "civilian defense corps" that polices the U.S.-Mexico border for undocumented immigrants. When Jason Bush, 34, Shawna Forde, 41, and Albert Gaxiola, 42, allegedly busted down the front door of the Flores home and killed Raul Junior Flores and his daughter, and seriously injured Flores' wife, the armed gang was supposedly looking for drugs and cash to fund their anti-immigrant organization.

Arizona police allege Shawna Forde was the ringleader. Forde was the executive director of Minuteman American Defense and a spokeswoman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, often touted as a "mainstream" voice opposing immigration. But if Forde was indeed involved, the bloody acts in Arivaca reveal the true hatred and contempt behind anti-immigrant organizations in our country.

Many well-meaning, average Americans who have understandable concerns about our economy and how they're going to support their families have been convinced that anti-immigrant organizations are on their side and feel their pain. But the reality is, organizations like the Minutemen and FAIR are only co-opting our economic insecurity (an insecurity that's shared by immigrants and citizens alike) to mask their real agendas, motivated purely by hatred for those who are different.

It was the same thing in Nazi Germany. Adolf Hitler started by talking about how Jews were threatening the German economy and should all be expelled from the country. And then he killed 6 million.

Are we really so naïve as a nation to think that the anti-immigrant fervor, from Lou Dobbs to the Minutemen, is anything about our economy or our well-being or our way of life? After all, our nation was built by immigrants, our strongest economic times in recent years have been driven by high rates of immigration, and even now, our economy actively lures low-wage workers from across the border to get back on firm footing. Do we really think we'd be reacting as negatively if the immigrants coming here had light skin and spoke French?

Jason Bush, one of the other Minutemen charged in the Arizona homicides, was charged in another slaying in 1997 in Washington state. He allegedly bragged to a police informant about "killing a Mexican." The man Bush killed was a 29-year-old homeless man who had been sleeping under a blanket near a parking lot when Bush stabbed him several times with a knife.

Regarding the Arizona slayings, the Minutemen American Defense group has placed the following statement on its Web site:


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Sally Kohn is the director of the Movement Vision Project of the Center for Community Change, which is interviewing hundreds of activists across the country to determine the progressive vision for the future of the United States.

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Ideology and values are two completely different categories.
Posted by: pelican beak on Jun 18, 2009 12:37 AM   
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We've recently witnessed enough crashing failure and violence and from ideological zealots driven by really screwed-up values - in religion, nationalism, business and finance, foreign relations, and elsewhere, to justifiably decide ideology is a menace to our well-being.

Maybe we should swear off ideology and stick to pragmatically-driven methodology like science for a while, instead.

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When is this right-wing murderous BULLSHIT
Posted by: Quannah on Jun 18, 2009 12:38 AM   
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going to STOP? I mean, really! Enough! Enough!

First of all, MAD has an appropriate acronym. I see absolutely nothing sane about their thinking or their behavior.

Secondly, these are vigilantes. They purposely put on the uniforms of law enforcement, and were, according to the article, impersonating police officers in order to gain entry to the home. They are armed thugs. They are racists who hate brown people.

Thirdly, I absolutely do not feel sorry for this ringleader, this so-called spokeswoman for this group, MAD. She deserves to spend the rest of her miserable life in prison, as do her cohorts. Their militaristic, militant extremism has led them where they find themselves today. And they do not deserve any pity, in my book. They deserve our disgust and shame.

Fourthly, anyone not seeing the tie between the rise in this type of crime and the crazy rantings of people like Lou Dobbs, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage and anyone else out there spreading lies and racist rhetoric about immigrants and particularly Hispanics, needs to open their eyes.

THIS WAS A NINE-YEAR-OLD GIRL! A nine year old girl and her father were killed. Her mother was gravely injured. What is wrong with people today that they think that it's okay to try to rob these people, and then to shoot and kill them so they can't testify?

Jeeeezus. This isn't my country anymore.

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» Still No Answer? Posted by: johnwinthrop
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Article seems very misleading.
Posted by: centure7 on Jun 18, 2009 12:52 AM   
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The Minuteman movement is officially led by Chris Simcox. Maybe this "MAD" faction, which may be a small band of lunatics, is a racist offshoot of the main project. But why doesn't Alternet list them as an offshoot in the article?

The Minuteman website says NOTHING even remotely negative about Hispanics, Africans, or race whatsoever. Therefore, the article is misleading at best.

http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/aboutus.php

I strongly suspect that Minuteman consists mostly of very non-racist patriotic people and therefore its sad that Alternet choses to smear the whole group based on some random story. Yet when an eco-terrorist burns a Hummer you aren't going to see Alternet write an apology piece for "their people being so violent". And they shouldn't, because one crazed lunatic means little, and frankly its not news.

The economy is clearly pushing up the crime rate... that is where the real story is.

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Only a Pawn in the Game?
Posted by: artie on Jun 18, 2009 12:56 AM   
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While I agree with most of the observations expressed, pitying the poor anti-immigrant is beyond my threshold of moral sentiment - not in these times, not when the plethora of history's tragedies are so thick they drip off the multiplicity of media: newspapers, magazines, music, DVDs, videos, TV, .... like someone's not knowing that slavery is wrong ....
The words Dylan wrote nearly 45 years ago are as true today as when they were written:

"The deputy sheriffs, the soldiers, the governors get paid,
And the marshals and cops get the same,
But the poor white man's used in the hands of them all like a tool.
He's taught in his school
From the start by the rule
That the laws are with him
To protect his white skin
To keep up his hate
So he never thinks straight
'Bout the shape that he's in....

But, nearly 45 years later now, it IS him blame.

(What I cannot understand is how, in light of the transparency of its truth, the DHS would apologize for its recent report. Where is Obama's backbone? Where is the courage and self-determination that drove him from Hawaii to LA to NY to Harvard and on to Chicago, now that his country desperately needs him to act accordingly?)

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» RE: Only a Pawn in the Game? Posted by: Quannah
always the rotten apples
Posted by: johnwinthrop on Jun 18, 2009 1:13 AM   
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In the sixties and seventies criminals joined leftist groups. murders and robberies were done in the name of blackliberation or antiimperialist struggle. Now criminals try to hide their crimes by activism in America's movement to enforce laws.

Alternet's proillegal immigrant campaign stoops to justify the takeover of Southwest and other communities by illegals by identification of criminal elements in a proAmerica movement of millions. A moveement shouldn't be judged by actions of a pathetic or manipulative few. Let's discuss the issue of whether we need tens of millions of immigrants over and above those with legal papers and green cards. We do have the right to curb immigration.

The actions of sociopaths does not change our right and duty to defend ourselves. European nations see that right, as do China and Russia. Why does Alternet insist America adopt a Trotskyite open borders, noncitizenship policy. We are different from other nations. That is good, not bad. You like Mexico or Iran? Move there.

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» You are the rotten apple Posted by: Quannah
» johnwinthrop Posted by: pelican beak
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» RE: johnwinthrop Posted by: johnwinthrop
» RE: johnwinthrop Posted by: pelican beak
» now the tree blossoms Posted by: johnwinthrop
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» RE: always the rotten apples Posted by: IRIQUOIS227
Jason and Shawna relations of G. W. & Gerald ?
Posted by: Purple Girl on Jun 18, 2009 4:25 AM   
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Interesting coincidence if not.
What part of 'Given me your Tired, Your Poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breath Free...Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to Me' Eludes these people? Is it that they can not comprehend the name 'Statue of Liberty'. Can't phathom why she stands in NY harbor? The relationship in history and significance with Ellis Island?
I'll bet that these 'Minutemen' know little of this country's true history and even less about their own ancestoral history. Do they think once the first boats had landed, we became a closed gene pool? Do they think they are descendants of those first English to disembark? Possible but not Proabable.Both names have origins from England, but also Ireland and Denmark/Germany.
If find most racists have no clue about their own family's immigration to the US, Know nothing of the situation or conditions which drove them across the 'Big Pond', know nothing of the persecution, discrimination or hatred they faced once here.
These type of people have not only lost their own cultural identity, but also their ancestors poltical and religious identities. How many know what a Jacobite, a Covenant, a Dunker, a Moravian or Waldensian is anymore? Hell do they even know what the Still practiced, Mennonite or Amish doctrines expound? Yet these are some of the Religious Ideologies which their ethnic group followed which caused their migration to the Land of the Free.
Is it just fear and hatred of these 'new' immigrants, or jealousy? Envious of their knowledge and adherence to their cultural identities? The Anglo- Saxons of the US, have lost their own ancestorial identities. So now we see them dressing up in other cultures garb, speaking alternative cultural 'slang', Singing and dancing to teh music. Explain Eminem, Vanilla Ice, Or the Shoe Bomber. It seems not to be just an attempt to find a Cultural identity, but to steal one.
Perhaps it's time the Anglo saxons descendants follow the lead of the African- American community and begin educating our people on Our History. It's not only enlightening, but Humbling.
Being of Scottish- Irish descent, I realize my ancestors not only faced political and religious persecution (Scotland), but economic hardships (Potato famine) which made the risks of the voyage over to the USA worth the gamble.Much like the risk the illegal immigrants are taking now to come over the border. A Good American, who honors their ancestors, always offers a Helping hand to others who are 'Tired, Poor,and merely yearn 'to breathe free'

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well
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Jun 18, 2009 4:57 AM   
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"allegedly busted down the front door of the Flores home and killed Raul Junior Flores and his daughter, and seriously injured Flores' wife, the armed gang was supposedly looking for drugs and cash to fund their anti-immigrant organization."

That is organized crime, plain and simple. And of course, if there had been drugs, the cops would likely just assume it was another group of dealers who did it.

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Armed Radical Government Employees kill a HUNDRED THOUSAND Iraqis
Posted by: dover23 on Jun 18, 2009 6:26 AM   
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http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

"My first priority would be to end the war in Iraq"
- Barack Obama, 2008

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Minutemen in Arizona
Posted by: arthur_ide on Jun 18, 2009 6:34 AM   
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The governments of the USA and AZ must try Jason Bush, 34, Shawna Forde, 41, and Albert Gaxiola, 42, in an open court these miscreants for the crime of murder spawned by hate. The federal government can, by law, execute them--but sadly will not do as as these thugs slew the father and daughter. Why burden taxpayers with feeding them or supporting them in any way?

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Don't blame the immigrants
Posted by: littlepitcher on Jun 18, 2009 7:39 AM   
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Many of the immigrants are here because they want jobs.
An important percentage, though, are here to sell meth and brown heroin, physical and social poisons.
The problem is not the average immigrant, it's the corporate CEO and HR man who want to cut wages, manufacture carcinogenic or unhealthy products under carcinogenic or unhealthy conditions, and who intend to pocket a tidy sum wholesaling the meth and brown heroin.
I'm a descendant of a Flores immigrant. I am appalled at violence against the innocent of any race or color. I do, though, want the border sealed to prevent further violence, to restrict imports of poison, and to impel the corrupt CEO's and Human Resources rogues to hire local personnel first and foremost, to support our local economies. I simultaneously support legalizing and taxing marijuana as a means of decreasing demand for other drugs and for drugs sold by crime cartels.

Check the current economic state of the emerging nations, especially China. Our power to uplift these, and to do good worldwide, is based on consumption, thereby employing these people in their own local economies. If America's not working, sweetheart, the rest of the world will be out of work as well.

Forde, Bush, and their ilk used a respectable organization for their own private agenda. No-one suggested that the Boys Club should be disbanded after two pedophiles were caught using that organization for their own private ends. No-one accuses the Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts of vigilantism when they address illegal or unsafe utilization of our nation's campgrounds--the Minutemen who legally assist the Border Patrol should be accorded the same respect.

We have immigration laws which allow people to enter the country legally. Supporters of illegal immigration have the hidden agenda of seeking to undercut this country's wage structure and evade hiring inside their community, and they want their drugs, never mind the social and economic costs. Sympathy for a pretty face who commits ugly murders is another facet of this social damage.

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Immigrants Did Not Build This Country
Posted by: MarcGarvey on Jun 18, 2009 7:50 AM   
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For certain this isn't a big deal for most alternet people but this constant quipping off that immigrants built this country is one of the most ignorant, base insults a white person can deliver to Black Americans and other victims of the maafa (African Holocaust).

It's pretty ignorant and hurtful to keep saying this obviously untrue statement. Slaves are not immigrants.

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Lefties can be homocidal maniacs too, like your beloved Slick-Willie Clinton!
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Jun 18, 2009 7:55 AM   
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WTF happened in Waco, Texas??? Bill & his grotesque amazon, Janet Reno, murdered innocent men, women, & children in the Waco, TX, Massacre!

Slick Willie still has blood on his hands from Serbia, too!

Lefties are just more sneaky when violently spreading imperialism/fascism around the world, as in the “Clinton doctrine”!

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News versus...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Jun 18, 2009 7:55 AM   
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...the status quo, or hate, normalized amongst a population.

Both are horrific, and the perpetrators deserve their fair punishment, but only one is real news to prAggressives?

P.S. That just happened to be one of the first stories on the first paper I looked at to try and understand these violent acts a bit more. Please, though, carry on with your sexy news, that which emphasizes your view of the world.

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This is a horrible crime but
Posted by: Old Skeptic on Jun 18, 2009 8:02 AM   
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it doesn't necessarily follow that being opposed to illegal aliens is to blame. These people sound like a bunch of nuts or even criminals. Their criminal behavior does not automatically implicate all of us who are opposed to illegal immigration and feel that even legal immigration needs to be scaled back unless we really want to live in a third world country. We need to seal our borders and deport illegal aliens. People who come legally and obey the law are welcome, but we need to manage the numbers so that we don't hit half a billion population by mid-century.

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» RE: This is a horrible crime but Posted by: Old Skeptic
Alternet...
Posted by: jbitch on Jun 18, 2009 8:16 AM   
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...doesn't waste a minute when they sniff an opportunity to twist facts & use outright lies to promote their agenda here. Answering this continuous bullshit is a glorious waste of time but one that must be done to make sure that no one buys this load of crap.

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» RE: Alternet... Posted by: redhead1954
immigrants yes, border-jumpers no
Posted by: superiorryan on Jun 18, 2009 8:18 AM   
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these criminals deserve the full extent of the sentencing hearing. they won't be welcomed by all the other illegals in our jails and may wind up dead them selves. they were chasing money from who they thought had it, that is all.
vanbrunn(sp) socialist.
and these crim.s were from wash state, i assumed that all the hate would have been brainwashed from them by the time they moved out of there. also interesting that the authors name was at the top of most of the google page for this.
you here don't want to hear the conservative talking points?huh free and open discussion.im not derailing here it's only interesting to me ,myself

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» vanbrunn socialist wrong Posted by: superiorryan
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The U.S.-Mexico Problem - Why Does Anybody Have to Die?
Posted by: tlwinslow on Jun 18, 2009 8:21 AM   
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Racism between the U.S. and Mexico is so sad. We are next-door neighbors. Why does anybody have to die?

The age-old pesky U.S.-Mexico border problem has taxed the resources of both countries, led to long lists of injustices, and appears to be heading only for worse troubles in the future. Guess what? The border problem can never be solved. Why? Because the border IS the problem! It's time for a paradigm change.

Never fear, a satisfying, comprehensive solution is within reach: the Megamerge Dissolution Solution. Simply dissolve the border along with the failed Mexican government, and megamerge the two countries under U.S. law, with mass free 2-way migration eventually equalizing the development and opportunities permanently, with justice and without racism, and without threatening U.S. sovereignty or basic principles.

To see how, Google "Megamerge Dissolution Solution", or click
Megamerge Article.

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It's all about deflecting the blame.
Posted by: cberkland on Jun 18, 2009 8:49 AM   
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Just as the article points out, the real source of our problems are things implemented by the elites starting with Reagan. So what do you do if you are an elite and the masses are getting angry? You redirect their anger toward someone else, in this case the immigrants. It's not surprising that those who spread that message such as talk radio are owned and funded by the right wing elites. The scary thing is how many heavily armed and ignorant people will believe whatever they hear and act out on their frustrations. It's our version of suicide bombers.

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micko
Posted by: micko on Jun 18, 2009 8:53 AM   
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When Clinton pushed NAFTA through without those "side agreements" protecting workers and the land, he opened the door for corporate exploitation in Mexico beyond all reason. NAFTA allowed US corporations to take over land owned and used by Mexicans, to pollute at will, destroying aquifers, among other things. Mexican wages dropped far below the poverty level, even by Mexican standards, across the land. So Mexicans headed for the US in order to survive. For this, we demonize and persecute THEM?

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There will
Posted by: Archie1954 on Jun 18, 2009 10:15 AM   
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always be extreme right wing morally challenged people to be dealt with. We musn't let them set the agenda. This is a criminal matter and should be dealt with as such. To prevent it from becoming a regular occurence it is important to deal with the underlying circumstances that caused it in the first place. Illegal immigration should be curtailed legally. Companies and organizations that require cheap Mexican labour should have legal ways of acquiring it, should be required to care for and house their employees and should make sure all of them are returned to Mexico once their work is accomplished. If illegals are found to be working for any company that company should pay huge fines to make sure they don't continue to scam the system.

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And I got permanently banned from commenting...
Posted by: sausage on Jun 18, 2009 10:36 AM   
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on my local newspaper's Web site for calling the anti-immigrant hate group the Minutemen "wussies."

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» banned Posted by: YogiBear
A question
Posted by: jackyD on Jun 18, 2009 11:21 AM   
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The article states that in 1997 Jason Bush was charged with stabbing a sleeping homeless man to death. Was he convicted of this murder? If he was he spent little time in prison. He was cut loose to cold-bloodedly kill again. You notice the pattern of these hate killers. They only pick the weak, unarmed and vulnerable to attack. You won't ever see these creepy crawlies go mano a mano.

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Place the blame where it belongs.
Posted by: karlas55 on Jun 18, 2009 11:22 AM   
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It is interesting to me that the author cites CNN as a source for hate speech but fails to mention the FOX network.

There are no greater promoters of hate, misinformation, and lies than Hannity, O'Reiley, Beck, etc. Yet, the author singles out CNN.

If we really want to affect broadcasts, let's stop supporting the programing by boycotting the advertisers and writing to let the advertisers know that we are boycotting their shows and why.

In the meantime, why don't we all admit where the real hate is coming from instead of ignoring reality?

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» this site is facsinating Posted by: superiorryan
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Don’t Confuse Hate-Crimes with Crimes - Even When the Suspects Are Racists…
Posted by: Marshalldoc on Jun 18, 2009 11:22 AM   
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I follow hate-crimes and the right-wing very carefully & I’ve been following the evolution of this story for about a week now.

It was initially reported as a home-invasion for money & drugs (the father was reportedly ‘in the business’) with murder of the occupants to prevent witnesses to the crime. A scenario that is, unfortunately, all too familiar. I’ve seen nothing regarding their immigration-citizenship status.

To date, however, nothing in the mainstream press (upon which all the blog commentary is based) has reported any overt racist or terroristic motivation despite the suspect’s participation in an overtly racist organization that would likely approve of anti-immigrant terrorism.

In this piece the author’s reference for the crime as a hate-crime or terrorism perpetrated to ‘fund their anti-immigrant organization” links to a Wonkroom post: Minuteman Leader Allegedly Kills 9-Year-Old And Father To Finance Hate Group , in which that charge is made without any supporting evidence (e.g.; statement from police, suspects, arrest records, or other source) and which has been echoed in other blog posts.

But, the fact that the victims of this heinous crime were Latino, and the suspects are members of an anti-Latino hate group does not create, ipso facto, terrorism or a hate-crime.

Arguing against such motivations is the lack of any attempt to “take credit” for the crime or to “rationalize” it as some kind of defensive action on behalf of the “white-race” which is exactly what the anti-abortion terrorists do and, before their defense attorneys council them otherwise, is what other hate crime perpetrators do, because they see themselves as heroes, not criminals. These suspects denied guilt or connection from the get-go.

One must ask, “what value does a terroristic act have if nobody understands the motive?”

The issue here is being accurate in describing what’s really happening rather than letting the confluence of multiple recent terrorist hate crimes propel us into seeing every crime as a hate crime. The facts may show this atrocity is merely what it appears to be, an attack upon a family by a small school of society’s piranhas not because of who they were but because of what they had.

The concept of “hate crime” is under too much attack by the right-wingnuts who refuse to consider any crime a hate crime (unless one of their own‘s a victim), to provide real fodder to further obfuscate the picture by hysterically screaming “hate crime” or “terrorism” when the facts don’t support it.

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Who are the real law breakers?
Posted by: bandofotters on Jun 18, 2009 1:13 PM   
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No brainer!

Answer: All illegal immigrants and the 3 murders of those two people.

It is not against the law to wear camouflage or to sport a registered/legal firearm.

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Routine murder case
Posted by: willymack on Jun 18, 2009 2:28 PM   
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Arrest the murdering thugs
Remand them without bail
Try and convict them, and
Put them away for life without parole
Same as you would any other murderers.

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Nice turn of phrase
Posted by: Stupidscript on Jun 18, 2009 3:49 PM   
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"...the lies we swallow to make the bigger pill of America's real, shared problems seemingly dissolve but in truth get stuck in our collective throats as we're looking the other way."

Just great. Post that puppy in your cubicle.

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white trash
Posted by: IRIQUOIS227 on Jun 18, 2009 5:06 PM   
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This is the very reason for some serious sane gun control. It isn't like this is a once a great while occurrence. Especially since the economy is in ruin thanks to the rich garbage. Now these roaches are crawling out of the sewers. Predicting all manner of insanity. They are stupid, racist, white trash. There lives have no meaning nor use in a civilized society. I say, kill em all, mass graves are easy to make.

tedbohne

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just a thought
Posted by: IRIQUOIS227 on Jun 18, 2009 5:24 PM   
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There is nothing peaceful, nor socially responsible, or of any use atall about you and your group of vigilantes. We have armed forces to defend the borders. You want to do something responsible, lobby for sane gun control, and more border protection. People like you are largely uneducated, certainly unsophisticated, and of no value in human society whatsoever. I live within in a few miles of the Mexican border. Out in the sticks. I know I don't need any of your sorry asses. In fact, I'd be inclined to put a bullet through your eye. Those animals that killed those innocents whilst robbing them? That's YOU! That's exactly the type of roach you people are. Minutemen. Yeah right. Is that the length of time your sexual encounters last? You're a disease, a sick bunch of perverse degenerates that hate people of color. Your buddy George spent twice as much as has been spent on welfare since the turn of the last century. You don't seem to mind that. Now all Muslim people are terrorists to people like you when, in fact, the US lit the fuse on 911. Why do you think no effort was made to find and arrest Osama Bin Laden? How many times did his 'second in command" get killed by Americans? The US Government needs mental defects like yourselves. Easily scared, certain to jump to guns, and most of you've never killed a human being in your unnatural pointless lives. I know, a quick lesson in the use of a rifle. Always remember the end of the gun with the little dark hole?, that goes up your ass. Use a stick of sufficient length to push that little thing that looks like a cut fingernail. You'll never go wrong.

best of luck!
Remember our lesson now
tedbohne

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» RE: just a thought Posted by: lively56
Hang on...
Posted by: Tankerdeath on Jun 18, 2009 6:56 PM   
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Read the AP article that the author cites.

The suspects were a radical splinter group of "minutemen," not members of the larger and better-known Minutemen Civil Defense Corps.

To quote the AP article:

'Forde is well known in the anti-illegal immigration community, said Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University-San Bernardino.

"She's someone who even within the anti-immigration movement has been labeled as unstable," Levin said. "She was basically forced out of another anti-immigrant group, the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, and then founded her own organization."'

Also, the man of the house was involved in the drug trade, according to Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik.

More from the AP:

'"The husband who was murdered has a history of being involved in narcotics and there was an anticipation that there would be a considerable amount of cash at this location as well as the possibility of drugs," Dupnik said.'

The tragedy here is that a little girl got killed in a firefight between, allegedly, her criminal father and and a band of organized thugs--nothing more, nothing less.

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» RE: Hang on... Posted by: Quannah
SCANDAL
Posted by: Wang on Jun 18, 2009 7:45 PM   
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Speaking of right-wing hate groups: George W. Bush would like to join a right-wing hate group.
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SCANDAL! SCANDAL! SCANDAL!

EMERGENCY! EMERGENCY! EMERGENCY!

George W. Bush continuously criminally stalked Margie Schoedinger to the point that she could not get away from it, and she committed suicide in desperation to escape: he murdered her.

“In her suit, Margie Schoedinger states that George W. Bush committed sexual crimes against her, organized harassment and moral pressure on her, her family members and close relatives and friends. As Schoedinger said, she was strongly recommended to keep her mouth shut. . . . Furthermore, she alleges that George Bush ordered to show pressure on her to the point, when she commits suicide” (blog of drizzten).

“One of those ‘very leasts’ [was] George Bush’s personal complicity in the death (murder to be precise) of my friend Margie Schoedinger in September of 2003. Determining the exact whereabouts and contacts of [then] president-elect George Bush on September 21 thru 22, 2003, should be entirely lacking in difficulty” (Leola McConnell—Nevada Progressive Democratic Candidate for U.S. Senate in 2010).

McConnell is correct: Bush applying pressure (continuously criminally stalking Margie Schoedinger) purposefully to force Schoedinger to commit suicide does in fact constitute murder where it culminated in her death.

Bush is a racist hate criminal and hates black people (please feel free to see my “GEORGE W. BUSH IS THE WORST PRESIDENT IN U.S. HISTORY” blog andrewyu-jenwang.blogspot.com). (Schoedinger was an African-American woman.)

BEWARE: If the president of the United States hates one—for whatever reasons—he can continuously criminally stalk one to the point that one cannot get away from it, and one ultimately commits suicide in desperation to escape. He can murder people in this way.

Bush is getting away with his murder of Schoedinger—with no sheriff, prosecutor, or court willing to uphold the rule of law.

Bush’s method of murdering Schoedinger cannot exist in a vacuum: he must have murdered other people in the same way.

Bush should confess, come out with the names of all of the people whom he murdered in the disgusting way he murdered Schoedinger, undergo execution, and accordingly find himself at the intersection where he would be free.

(There are thousands of copies of the information above on the Internet. It exists very extensively in all major search engines. Please feel free to go to any major search engine, type “George W. Bush continuously criminally stalked Margie Schoedinger to the point that she could not get away from it, and she committed suicide in desperation to escape: he murdered her” or “Bush applying pressure (continuously criminally stalking Margie Schoedinger) purposefully to force Schoedinger to commit suicide does in fact constitute murder where it culminated in her death,” hit “Enter,” and find innumerable results.)
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Andrew Y. Wang
(a.k.a. “THE DISSEMINATING MACHINE”)
B.S., Summa Cum Laude, 1996
Messiah College, Grantham, PA
Lower Merion High School, Ardmore, PA, 1993

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» RE: SCANDAL Posted by: Quannah
What me racism?
Posted by: dissentisgood on Jun 18, 2009 9:20 PM   
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I love the commenters who claim to be surprised by anyone who criticizes how racist the anti-immigrant movement is, "oh why does anyone say our movement is racist all we do is assume al brown people are undocumented and dress up like commandos and try to capture them" Let's face it they are just not the best and the brightest.

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» RE: What me racism? Posted by: Old Skeptic
» RE: What me racism? Posted by: YogiBear
Well, whaddya know...
Posted by: Quannah on Jun 19, 2009 12:46 PM   
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From Crooks and Liars:

On Saturday, Arizona detectives were pursuing tips that members of Forde's group may have staged a home invasion robbery in Shasta Lake, Calif., on Monday.

The victims, friends of Forde's mother, reported being robbed at gunpoint of nearly $12,000 by two men who showed up at the door and presented badges claiming they were U.S. Marshals.

Truck driver Peter Myers, 48, said he recognized one of men who robbed him after he saw news reports about Forde's arrest and photographs of her co-defendants.

He said the man who directed the robbery in his home was Jason Eugene Bush, 34. The ex-convict from Eastern Washington is a Forde associate now accused of being the gunman in the Arivaca killings.

"That is the guy. He pointed a gun right at us," Myers said.


Seems these people think they are The James Gang, or Bonnie and Clyde, or some other gang of criminals.

Stay tuned...

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From OpEdNews...
Posted by: Quannah on Jun 19, 2009 12:53 PM   
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"Meanwhile, the Colorado Independent links Forde to former Colorado congressman and immigration firebrand Tom Tancredo, observing that Tancredo's 2008 presidential campaign participated in a July 2007 event in Washington State organized by Forde's group, Minuteman American Defense (MAD), in association with conservative group The Reagan Wing. Minuteman Project founder Jim Gilchrist delivered a speech at the event, as did Forde herself, and California congressman Duncan Hunter spoke to the audience by phone (Everett Herald). Representatives of Fred Thompson's 2008 campaign were also slated to participate.

The Colorado Independent notes that Forde and Tancredo also share ties to the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), designated as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC). Forde participated in a televised 2006 town hall meeting in Yakima, Washington, at which she was repeatedly identified as a FAIR representative.

Additionally, the Arizona Daily Star reports statements from Forde's immediate family indicating that Forde was actively recruiting members of the Aryan Nations to rob "drug cartels" and to start "a revolution against the United States government."

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The real problem...
Posted by: bobtr900 on Jun 20, 2009 6:42 AM   
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...is that they GOP and their Religious Reich care nothing about people and human values. They all care only about money/greed and political power. These people talk about Pro-life and Family Values but that is nothing but misleading phony lip service. Their real agenda is as always maintaining their power over the lives of others. When we no longer matter they just kill us off, in some fashion or other. The killing of peoples spirits is just as bad as killing their bodies.

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» RE: The real problem... Posted by: rlasner@tampabay.rr.com
Hijacking what could have been a good idea
Posted by: rlasner@tampabay.rr.com on Jun 24, 2009 4:41 PM   
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Unfortunately, you sometimes have to think for yourself. Just because something starts out sounding like a good idea with charismatic leaders you still need to pay attention. If you don;t pay attention and think on your own then you end up like New Yorkers. They thought a Governor who rallied against prostitution and preached its evils would be good for thier state. Somewhere along the way, people just took his word for it and he started to change his views to NOT FOR YOU BUT ALRIGHT FOR ME!!! When will we learn to always, always keep questioning our leaders?

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More violence from the GOP supporters
Posted by: chief of okeefe on Jun 24, 2009 6:34 PM   
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When another repub governor from a fascist red state proposes secession, let's LET THEM SECEDE.

Then we will deport Tancredo, Savage, Dobbs, and half the white-cracker racist repubs to that new White-bread Racist country. Hell if we can get Texas to secede, we will be rid of Bush as a freebie!!

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It the attackers had been wearing badges
Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Jun 28, 2009 3:12 AM   
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the reactions would have been totally different.

"Oops. We thought they were selling drugs." (Which excuses all constitutional sins).

Ian

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In a Saner World
Posted by: ThinkingOpponent on Jul 3, 2009 2:15 PM   
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Job Protectionist Militia Murders Corporate Outsourcer!

The CEO of Sweatshops Overseas was murdered today in his home by masked gunmen. The Job Protectionist Militia took credit. Police are strangely reluctant to arrest and prosecute Militia members, possibly due to the impact of outsourcing on their own families.

Meanwhile, a corporate executive is convicted of littering after leaving 55 gallon drums of diesel fuel along the illegal desert trade route on the US-Mexico border. Executive Mitch Money exclaimed, "We lost three truckers this year when their vehicles ran our of fuel, leaving them stranded in the desert with nothing to drink and tens of thousands of dollars of cheaply made clothing and other goods bound for the US market. It's not littering, it's free market humanitarianism!"

And in other news, the CEO of Nikums, Bob Sandals, whose slogan is, "Made by their kids for your kids", remains hostage in his 30th floor office. A spokesman for Mr. Sandals pleaded with the unknown hostage takers to release Mr. Sandals and vainly attempted to blame illegal immigrants for skyrocketing unemployment rates in America.

One of the gunmen, in a recent interview, mocked Mr. Sandals feeble attempts at scapegoating.

"We know who is responsible for job loss in America, and it isn't the unions, and it sure isn't illegal immigrants. These CEO people, they could pay the import taxes on those goods, and pass the anti-sweatshop certification inspections to legally sell to US markets. Instead they smuggle goods in through the desert and block all attempts to prosecute them for human rights violations, tax evasion, and illicit trade. They're criminals, and they'll be treated as such."

He went on to say, "If we could only get back every job we ever lost because of a greedy, outsourcing scumbag like this guy, we'd have to beg people to come from other countries to work here in America with us. Patriotic Americans know who is responsible for the weakening of our nation's economy, and it's time we did something about it. It's time for Americans to stop putting corporate America first."

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