What I said.

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The security chain of command was such that I knew I could get the attention of high level cabinet members by speaking as I do, I had the added advantage of what I was saying being true.

I really am a witch. That is not such a big thing if only a few people know about it, but the power of magic is in belief, so the more people believe it, the stronger it is. When the president believes in it, it gets a little uncontrollable.

I think congress has been asleep at the switch. Because they failed their duty of war oversight, I fault them for the war crimes they allowed to happen. I can see many of them are fooled and mindless twits, but there are lots of evil ones too. They all did it, very few failed to vote for the war.

When it comes to lack of balance it is hard to beat the torture debate, the latest from NYTimes, President’s Detention Plan Tests American Legal Tradition is all about the prisoners. It really shocks me to hear how unbalanced that is compared to the NYTimes treatment of the mass murders who put them there.

The 'intent' to kill Americans?

Cheney, Rummy, Bush, etc actually killed Americans, threaten our security, squandered our resources, etc, and we can't even talk about them being arrested for their actual mass murdering crimes?

Where is the balance?!

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Poor semi-literate, Business-major W. Had he concentrated a bit more in Humanities he would have realized that Erich Auerbach, with his 1946 classic, _Mimesis_, pretty much demolished the literature-as-prophecy mythos in early Western and Middle-Eastern lit.
I suppose people will believe what they choose to believe. What is it with this anti-existential fear of death that drives so many otherwise rational individuals to embrace organized religion?

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This is of course very instructive, just for one minute pretend that you have just heard this story from your favorite homeless person wearing that tin foil hat. You would not find one right winger defending crazy charlie, but there will be thousands jumping to the defense of silly George. How often do we need to hear this sort of idiocy before we can finally agree there is nothing coming from these people worthy of a response.

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i know you alternets do not like ufos but cmon, it is just as tantalizing as gog and magog ... in any event, i hears they come from inside the earth too ...

good holiday (conspiracy) reading.

we are cogs in the overlords wheels ....


The Gods of Eden

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If somebody says this and throws their children off a bridge, we call 'em crazy and lock them up somewhere; Bush says it, then has other people's children thrown off bridges and the RR calls him a hero. Go figure.

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Sorry Mr Shrubbery, You certainly have your prophetic understanding 1000 years out of kilter. It is beyond the imagination just how much folks can fudge around with things to back up their desire to do the wrong thing. As a matter of fact, it seems that there are many who do the same thing and all in the name of "Christianity". That's not christianity, thats Bushtianity and absolutely missing the fact that he was pushing very hard to become the second beast in Revelation 13. The Lamblike beast. He did everything towards fulfilling the whole thing but obviously it was not time yet. BUT it is coming.
Gog and Magog are mentioned only after the second resurrection when every person who has ever lived will have been resurrected to face their final court appearance and satan does his final act in trying to get all the resurrected sinners to take the City of God.
He is certainly way out of his time slot. But folks, Bush will probably be there on that occasion because they will all get their just deserts.

I guess it is also a wake up call to me to make sure MY call and election is sure or I too will be with dubba yu. Or maybe he might have a change of heart and be forgiven and I finish up in the wrong place. I am not the final judge.

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that will believe the "evil" is actually good.
There can be no GOD. Just lies created and perpetuated by man ( the seekers of power), for psychological manipulation and control (to force or bend the will) of the masses.

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....for they shall be called sons of God"

I wonder how George W. Bush would have reacted if Donald Rumsfeld had sent him verses from the Sermon on the Mount?

"The Rant"

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Thats the problem, much organised religion is just a front for power over the people. "If you don't do what I tell you then your soul will burn in hell". That is the falsity. So is there any truth in the Bible at all?

For one thing, nearly all religion is false. On the other hand one should check out this Jesus Christ who called himself GOD. Either He is an idiot or else He IS the Messiah. He did not leave that hanging in the balance. So called Christianity has tried to rip the guts out of His claims.

One mathematician went to the trouble of working out the possibilities of all those Old Testament prophecies being fulfilled in just one person. For just 8 to be fulfilled in just one person is 1 to 10 to the power of 17 or in other words 10 with 17 zeros. The claims that Jesus made for himself and the prophecies fulfilled in him is beyond the comprehension of humanity. At 48 the ratio goes up to the power of 179 and there were some 300 odd prophecies about the Messiah that were all fulfilled in the one called Jesus the Christ.
To bring it into a closer inspection, Scientists have calculated that there is only 10 to the power of 80 molecules in the universe.

I think Bush was using the Bible totally out of its context and for his own financial gain, just like all the false christians do all the time.

Talk is cheap to say that someone "proved" that there was nothing in the Bible that could be taken with anything better than a grain of salt. All they have to do is prove that Jesus did not even exist, but there is too much evidence to prove that point. UNLESS,of course, one refuses to accept the obvious evidence.

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If I were Chirac, I would have backed out of the war immediately if I heard that remark, even if I was all for it before.

The French, Germans and Spanish had good sense.

If Bush were not president or a diplomat, I would have called for white coats and a straitjacket.

Only Born-Again Blair bought into the Biblical nonsense.

It all makes sense now.

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This is HOW TRAGICALLY OUT OF TOUCH --ALMOST PSYCHOPATHICALLY SO- Bush and his band of elites that harangue for the New World Order and think that they, like their royal British ancestors, have THE DIVINE RIGHT OF KINGS to rule over all of us USELESS EATERS!

Now BUSH NOT ONLY THINKS HE IS GOD, HE IS INTERPRETING THE BIBLE FOR US WITHOUT ANY DOCUMENTED THEOLOGICAL TRAINING! HE REALLY THINKS HE IS GOD!

ELITES HAVE USED RELIGION TO SURPRESS AND CONTROL THE MASSES FOR YEARS AND A GOD WHO LOVINGLY CREATED US ALL AND GAVE US A NICE PLANET TO LIVE SUDDENLY BECAME THE STERN JUDGE AND BRINGER OF HELLFIRE AND DAMNATION ON ANYONE WHO DIDN'T KISS THE RULER'S FAT, LAZY ASS! AND AN IGNORANT, SUPERSTITIOUS PEASANTRY SHOOK IN FEAR AS THEY WERE BRAINWASHED WITH ILLOGICAL, NONSENSE BACKED UP BY TORTURES OF THE INQUISITION!AN EXCUSE FOR THE S& M BOYS TO REVEAL WHAT THEIR SECT WAS REALLY ALL ABOUT!
Without the brainwashing and fear of transition to the next life, people figured out that all of this hell and damnation MYTHOLOGY was just a fiction designed to keep them divided and having to pay tithes for their own oppression. What a cool racket!
MORE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED, TORTURED,MAIMED IN THE NAMES OF THE RELIGIONS, ESPECIALLY BY THEIR WILD-EYED MORE IGNORANT, LESS INTELLIGENT FUNDAMENTALISTS WHO CLAIM TO BE PRACTITIONERS OF AND DEFENDERS OF THE "FAITH."
I WISH THAT THE REAL GOD WOULD DO SOMETHING TO STOP THESE RABID, FANATICS BEFORE THE PLANET HE LOVINGLY CREATED FOR US IS BLOWN TO BITS...AND OUR DNA IS SPATTERED THROUGHOUT THE UNIVERSE TO EVOLVE INTO THE SAME HELL WE HAD HERE...
MAYBE THAT IS HOW WE GOT HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

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...and pass the ammunition!

I cannot say I am surprised, the reports were floating around Europe for awhile but I thought it was mostly venting of anti-american feelings.

The only worse thing would probably be imbecile in chief that listens that talks to pixies. Obama is the member of the same oligarchy as Bush but probably not fantical enough to enact the nuclear war because Lord told him so.

Then again you never know. Since WWII US presidents are getting worse and worse by the decade. It tells you something about the current political system in US. Idiot with enough cash and connections will become a president no matter the competencies. Methinks it is time for a reform or even something more bloody.

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And this surprises people because?

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... on TV. Yes, I do think Bush believed God was on his side because we heard him say so. But this story sounds like misinformation built on to Bush's delusional beliefs, to discredit the ex-President even further than he had done to himself!

This kind of story has the smell of that falsehood that was once spread about the British Prime Minister, Harold Wilson, who it was claimed had said to the Russian President that anyone who criticised the Russian Government must be insane and deserving to be locked up and treated in a mental asylum. That was a lie probably spread either by some members of MI5 or the CIA who fervently believed Wilson was a Soviet agent because the KGB defector Gordievsky allegedly told them it was so.

Until I see and hear Chirac confirm this, I will remain deeply skeptical.

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Here is a prime example of why loosening the separation of church and state is so dangerous. And even President Obama, who is supposedly an intelligent man, panders to religious superstition.I wonder if he believes expanding the Af-Pak war is part of his metaphysical destiny?
George Bush's fervent believe in fulfilling apocalyptic mythology, is the modern day equivalent of Caligula taking up war against Neptune, only in the ancient case it was sea shells, rather than weapons of mass destruction, that was the bone of contention.

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I'm not positive about this since I haven't done a thorough study, but my memory pulls up a lot of prophecy for which the purpose was not to make it happen but to warn people to change their ways. And the purpose was not for the "godless" to change, but for the "people of God" to change.

I'm with harryf200 in being very skeptical of this story. Another story in the past year indicated that Bush never said he was born again. I'd need to see rock-hard evidence. But I don't need that to know that Bush was not good for the country.

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It has become quite clear that Bush has totally lost his mind. This explains a LOT.

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Pick any prophecy and choose yourself as the representative of the one which is said to be victorious. Small Flaw- No way to KNOW you are that One- if prophecy is actually true.
And truely who's objective perspective is this story supposed to be Related by- God's. and who dare claims they have such Divine knowledge as to which Team 'jersey' they have been given? Both believe they are the 'winning' team, both think they are the ones on the side of 'blessedness'- Yet they are not the Ultimate Judge.
W also failed to recognize that Gog apparently is the one who Invades enmasse- desimating and plundering- so doesn't that sound more like the Act of the Bushies? Isn't it ironic in the Attempt to pre-emptively determine which is Good and which is Evil- He DECIDED to take Actions of the aggressor, then claim it was Good- That's the Logic of a Deciever, or an Idiot.What 'booty' did AQ take on 9/11- none. And what 'booty' had Saddam acquired? None.And what did W's actions secure ...the Lucrative Poppy and Oil fields.
In Prophecy, which is which is not determined merely by making a claim- it's determined by the actions taken that fit the prediction. so W may have fancied himself the justified defender, Magog- but his VP, Sec of defense & Deputy were instigating and committing the Acts of Gog.It's not what you think - it's what you do that determines your part in a prophecy.Consider the "Ma" a misspoken stutter W.- perhaps that's why the names are so close-easy to get the two confused in the minds of Self Righteous Idiots.

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It's really frightening that a third of Americans, and a majority of Republicans, would read this story and be filled with admiration for Bush.

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Hey, Alternet. How about a little less editorializing in the headlines. You're sounding more and more like supermoarket tabloids. Besides, it is doubtful that most of your readers, myself included, would be "shocked" by any further revelations of the bone-headed stupidity of George W. Bush.

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Much too much credit bestowed on George, here. A Biblical prophet, even if a fool? A voice crying in the Parisian wilderness? Images of archetypal monsters swirling through the dry Judean hills/ products of an imagination/ soaked in the gospel/ launched by history?

No.

He was drunk. He always was drunk. He never stopped consumption of alcohol. The ultimate failure of pathetic journalists like David Gregory and Andrea Mitchell. So zonked themselves from constant Washington partying, they coudn't smell or see the endless liters of booze sloshing through the Decider's glassy eyes.

Cheers, suckers.

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scare me totally... to fully take verbatim a book (new testament) that was originally a collection of oral histories printed finally on a press to support the status quo... who made the final editing choices of what was going to be printed??? there will always be differences in stories emphasis when humans are doing the 'exact word copying by hand', it's in the handwriting...the elite of the day is the answer for the final cut!!!

and no, if you're an ordinary person, you can't learn to read it yourself and NEED a professional (ministers and priests) to interpret it for you... compare Torah to the old testament and you'll see some stark differences...

wonder if Cherac ran for the roll of tin foil to protect himself from wombat's craziness before he told him to take his brainstorm of war down the road... then we have the 'backlash' of freedom fries in the capitol instead of french fries...

back to coffee...

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Jake and Elwood might have been on a mission from God, George and Dick weren't.

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After all, Puppet Bush announced to the World through a British interviewer that God told him to invade Iraq and remove Hussein. In other words, the Puppet wanted it known that he was doing God's Will---that God was/is on our side.

As a result the Dupes and redneck evangelicals went wild in their praises for Our Leader and their contempt for "them libruls." Fox News and the crackpots of rightwing radio saw their audience ratings skyrocket.

A commentator (I can't recall his name) later said that the voice the Puppet heard was that of Osama bin Laden, because the invasion of secular Iraq and infidel Hussein's removal from power constituted a victory for bin Ladin and his followers across the Muslim world.

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I doesn't suprise me that Bush believed this. Let's not forget that this is politics at its finest. (Create a beast, then spend loads of money to slay it.) Read Esekiel 38:2. Gog was a king and Magog was his kingdom. They were hostile to Isreal then as many are today.
This is just G.W. putting another spin on Biblical prophecies to justify his course of action. Now the real question is what is Obama going to do to correct this action? Hasn't he been referred to as "The Savior"?.

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George W. Bush was a Dominionist, as was Rep. Tom DeLay (R-TX.), the former House majority whip. They are insightfully portrayed in Chris Hedges' book, American Fascists. They believe that the Book of Revelations (along with the rest of the Bible) is the literal word of "God." Bush let his beliefs slip when he spoke of the "war on terror" as "our crusade," betraying a 12th century mindset coupled with Armageddon wish-fulfillment that is nothing short of hair-raising.

There is no difference between these dangerous lunatics and the jihadists. Both are working to bring about the End Times. Both believe "God" is on their side. Sam Harris examined the whole mess in The End of Faith, pointing out that an enemy who believes that taking one's own life simultaneously with decimation of infidels takes one to paradise renders his virtually invincible. Similarly, if the "Rapture" is devoutly to be wished, there's everything to be gained from holocaustic annihilation. The war on terror is that cannot be won.

We only get the leaders we deserve.

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Magog was a son of Japheth (brothers were Shem-the Semite- and Ham-the Hamite- the sons of Noah [grandson Cush] who repopulated earth after the Great Deluge), not a "creature."
And he was a apparently a pretty big guy of the Philistinian kind because he was known as a "giant" (bigger than the average man).

Gog was the chief priest of Meshech and Tubal, not a creature. Their homelands were named after them, so they were actually kingdoms surrounding Israel, not big scary "creatures." However, they were indeed, as tribesmen, trying to conquer Israel for its mineral wealth, as America has also attempted to do.

Magog is not apocalyptic, he (his tribe of people) is symbolic and representative of those of the time who were doing exactly what America is trying to do now, rule and overrun Israel (or what we refer to as "the middle east") for its mineral and oil wealth.

Indeed, it is America that has tried to notoriously set itself out as "gog and magog" (Ez.: "You will say, "I will go against a land of unwalled villages…12. To take plunder and booty…"[7]")

I'm going to venture a guess, since we're delving into Bible prophecy here, that the reason Cheney and Bush had to be taken out of office is because the USA plays no role whatsoever in end times prophecy and there were people in office in the USA trying to play themselves out to the world as the "one" who would save Israel, or the redeemers or rescuers of their fate. The reason we know what they were up to? Because God wasn't going to allow that to happen. If it was meant to be per scripture, we'd have never known until it played out and Cheney and Bush would still be in command. But they're not.

Problem is, there is only one Savior over Israel and it ain't America. They got it wrong, so God removed them from office--just to let them know they will not be interfering with the Lord's work in Israel. True Israel is a tribe, not a piece of land. The people of Israel dwelt IN those lands, particularly Canaan, Egypt, et al, and the surrounding areas.

America will be long destroyed before biblical prophecy comes to pass in the middle east, or at least substantially weakened on the global front, which is happening even as we speak.

The Bible does not speak of any role for America in end time prophecy. This country is too young and immature and too weak to deal with the bigger things of the Lord that will come to pass over there.

That is a fact.

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Has anyone asked?

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Disturbing as it is, it makes some sense out of the madness behind the quagmire in Iraq.

Although raised a Roman Catholic, I don't pretend to have any deep understanding of Catholicism. I gave up the ghost long ago. It does make me wonder, however, exactly how Shrub could overlook Christ's title as the "Prince of Peace;" specifically his instruction to "Turn the other cheek." This Gog/Magog stuff is obviously Old Testament, in-line with "An eye for an eye," which Christ refuted with the aforementioned.

In any event, this isn't the only account of lives ruined by Shrub's blind faith. Untold thousands of women died due to his insistance that condoms and abortion not be provided or mentioned in overseas family planning programs funded by the U.S., and untold thousands of women in the U.S. had their careers curtailed by abstinance-only education. This story is but another argument for the separation of Church and State.

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Yeah! Gog and Magog, dude. Excellent source of heavenly information on how to run a country and win wars. Yeeeeeeeeeeeeee.......Hawwwwwwwww! And after total victory in Eye-rack and Af-gannastan, ole Gog showed W how to fix the economy and provide freedom for his oppressed people. Magog was workin' on tha End-Times, but darn Obama messed it up by "fixin'" the "election" and becoming "president". So now W's pickin' up dawg-shit in Dallas and the Apocalypse is once again postponed.

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Do we really need more evidence of this mans delusional behavior?

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Bush is the victim of hypocritical, stupid, lying, vapid, and mentally ill, anti-christ advisors cloaked in the garb of "christians" by the "Christian" "Right" of (which they are neither Christian nor Right).

The Apocalypse for those privileged to read/write Archaic Languages, is NOT a prophesy of the fictional "End of Days" and even if it were there would be nothing mortals could do about it. What the "Revelations" The Apocalypse is, is a form of archaic Prayer Curse against the then enemy Rome. That is relatively easy to discern by anyone who is capable of translating from archaic Greek, or Latin, or Archaic Hebrew. It has nothing whatsoever, to do with any silly, modern "End of Days." Christians frustrated by their impotence and suffering under Rome, were ranting through "John" or whomever it was that Wrote the Apocalypse which was given John's name to lend the Hate-Prayer, even some small measure of credence.

According the the New Testament, Jesus own words, "No one knows the end, but the father..." and by the "Father" he did not mean Bush, to whom God has NEVER spoken.

Only those who are incapable of translating from the Greek using archaic Greek not modern Greek, or liars, could mistranslate, or misinterpret, or believe such obvious nonsense.

There may someday be an end, an extinction of Homo sapiens sapiens, as have other animals, but the planet will go on until is is also extinguished by natural causes further on.

It is my opinion that God Himself is quite alert to the reality that His idea for the creation of man, except for the BRIGHTEST and the BEST, was by and large, a massive failure without which Planet Earth would be much better off.

When this generation of prophets, (all 36 of them) are gone, the END OF DAYS will come for those Blasphemers known as the "CHRISTIAN RIGHT" of which they are neither. They are, however, the true, Gog and Magog for murdering 1 million Muslims and 5,000 of our own men and women just to profit from oil. The world will be a safer place when Bush/Cheney and their followers join Hitler in Hell.
God Bless the 36 and those who know them.

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Or a drunk tank.

What a worthless, frightening piece of shit he's proven to be. It's a miracle we survived his reign.

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Noun: prophecy (what a prophet says/writes)

Verb: prophesy (what a prophet does)

Hear endeth the reeding of the lessin'.

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Today is Memorial Day. What could be more fitting than a useless discussion about the drunk who got over four thousand of them killed. He was allowed to go on because all of his backers were too damned embarassed to admit that Bush was a poor choice of a leader. And he was CHOSEN by The Supreme Court. I'd like to think that they all feel a little guilty today, but I doubt it. I hope Old George is having one of his crying jags. I'd cry if I were George's father. It's always more comfortable to search around for 'reasons'. Analyze, quote the bible, etc. It's just a short step to the truth. The wrong guy in the White House surrounded by cowards happily making excuses for him. This is not worth dying for. Sorry. ANNA

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All this carzy religious stuff, conspiracy stuff, rigged elections all could be the truth.
When these guys sit back and watch us squabble amongst ourselves calling them fools, evil, corrupt and many more things, they will be counting the money, the money and the power that it brings with it is the why. They have more of the money now and it will not be given back..ever. All the religion and talk of security or freedom or any of propaganda that spouts fourth from their corporate megaphone is just the way buisness is done. To get most of us to go along and keep the money flowing up to them. They may be all the things they are called, they do not care, they have the money and that is how they win.. so call em crazy!

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Strict non-violence is what Jesus preached and what the early Christian Church followed until Roman Emperor Constantine and Augustine of Hippo (St Augustine) corrupted Jesus' teaching.
Jesus said in Luke 6:26-30 "But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back."

The Early Christian Church position ruled out violence as an option, even in self-defense.
Early Christian Church leader Cyprian of Carthage wrote:
"Wars are scattered all over the earth with the bloody horror of camps. The whole world is wet with mutual blood. And murder–which is admitted to be a crime in the case of an individual–is called a virtue when it is committed wholesale. Impunity is claimed for the wicked deeds, not because they are guiltless, but because the cruelty is perpetrated on a grand scale!"

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Would not change his socks without Cheney's permission, who is and was the point man for
the Military/Industrial Complex.

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Some persons are so fit for hell that they are referred to as smoking flax in scripture. If George were a Christian, then he would know and believe as Christians do that God the Father, to whom he refers so self-righteously, is not the active agent in the world. The Son of God "...is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers." [Colossians 1:15,16] Anyone who would wage war in the name of Jesus Christ, the Prince of Peace, is quite insane. The Old Testament was superseded by the New.

Here's a more pertinent prophecy for our time: "Then I saw another beast (government) coming up out of the earth (secular realm), and he had two horns like a lamb (ostensibly Christian) and spoke like a dragon (Satan--the personification of evil)." A government that calls itself Christian but slaughters like the devil. What government might that be?

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I thought that Iraq was supposed to be all about oil? Any student of Biblical prophecy knows that Gog and Magog were not "creatures" but represent the militaries of nations of people. And it is God, not man that destroys them after they attempt to destroy Israel. Also, Armageddon can not be stopped by man, but only shortened by God. Therefore, I doubt the truthfulness of this story that Bush would believe such nonsense. Probably just another attempt to smear Bush. Stick with "war criminal" and "oil tyrant" as it is a better sell. Best to move on and keep an eye on Obama's "war mongering" activities and his obsession to invoke the tyranny of the federal government on American citizenry.

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So, if Bush Sr. was "Magog"does that mean Bush Jr. was actually waging war against his father?

This is all too disturbing. We have met the enemy and he is us.

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On the sixth day God turned to Archangel Gabriel and said: "Today I am going to create a land called Canada, it will be a land of outstanding natural beauty. It shall have tall majestic mountains full of mountain goats and eagles, beautiful sparkling lakes bountiful with bass and trout, forests full of elk and moose, high cliffs over-looking sandy beaches with an abundance of sea life, and rivers stocked with salmon."

God continued, "I shall make the land rich in oil so as to make the inhabitants prosper, I shall call these inhabitants Canadians, and they shall be known as the most friendly people on the earth."

"But Lord," asked Gabriel, "don't you think you are being too generous to these Canadians?"

"Not really," replied God, "just wait and see the neighbours I am going to give them."

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The invasion and occupation of Iraq-nam and other $ovreign nations by Amerikan military forces is based, primarily, on two things:

1. corp-rat war profiteering and resource usurpation.

2. suppressing the adherents of All-ahh and the prophet Mohammad-mad-mad-mad for the $ake of... (a) Jeeezasss and the almightee, white male, father skygod man who supposed-lie rules Planet Over-Birth-Earth from his golden throne in the dictator-ship of heaven... and (b) for the ethno-racist Zionist policies of Israel.

Nuts is nuts! It doesn't matter if it's us or them. Nuts is nuts!

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well

fuck me gently.

damn, folks.

you should be very seriously concerned about what US culture has wrought in the World.

very, very concerned.




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Lo, ye Bible-thumpers hath been deceivethed!

For, behold the REAL TRUTH:

Lo, there will be-ith a MULTITUDE of incarnations of Satan to curse your world. Four of these satanic beasts will be-ith:
Ciagog, Wgog, Cheneygog, and Rummygog, who shall devour the innocent of our world.

Oh, despair will be begotten by these beasts, and great horrors will sprout from their cursed mouths!

O, great misery will come to any who dare counter these hideous demons. For, righteousness shall be overwhelmed by wickedness. Only truth and judgement shall eventually triumph, but only if mankind allows such virtues to complete their divine purposes, which, alas, may never be.

Stay tunethed!...

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It's time to look at the destruction of the Twin Towers as the SYMBOLIC event they might have been DESIGNED TO BE.

Were they designed to be a BURNT OFFERING to the GREAT LIGHT BEING HIMSELF, LUCIFER?

And who are the TWINS?

My speculations are that are that the events of 911 were some sort of Pagan Ritual encorporating various religious themes.

The TWINS can be understood symbolically as the Gemini Twins, or as the Angel Michael(representing GOD) and Satan, as they wrestle, a theme from the Old Testament.

In the struggle, Satan is mortally wounded, with a fatal head wound, and wounded in the side, and BLOOD (AKA, Thermite) pours from his wounds. He is thrown to the Earth, but RISES again (the "Freedom" Tower, now 1 WTC (read ONE WORLD TRADE CENTER).

Yes, this looks like some sort of BLOOD SACRIFICE, if one looks at the former WTC as a type of Temple of Satan or a pair of astrological TWINS like the Gemini Twins Castor and Pollux, the Celestial Brethren, or Star Twins. I find it VERY INTERESTING that the sacrifice of 3000 human lives including many Fire-Fighters SEEMS to follow this pattern from other religious text sources as well...

"...THE MORNING SACRIFICE WAS KILLED BY THE NORTH-WESTERN CORNER OF THE ALTAR AT THE SECOND RING, WHILE THE EVENING SACRIFICE WAS KILLED BY THE NORTH-EASTERN CORNER AT THE SECOND RING. WHILE ONE SLAUGHTERED ANOTHER RECEIVED THE BLOOD.

THE LATTER PROCEEDED TO THE NORTH-EASTERN CORNER AND CAST THE BLOOD ON THE EASTERN AND NORTHERN SIDES; HE THEN PROCEEDED TO THE SOUTHWESTERN CORNER AND CAST THE BLOOD ON THE WESTERN AND SOUTHERN SIDES.

THE REMNANT OF THE BLOOD HE POURED OUT AT THE SOUTHERN BASE OF THE ALTAR."

I tried to work out the DIRECTION portion of this text, and oddly they relate to the directions the WOUNDS were delivered to the TWINS, who can be seen as the morning and evening sacrifices...and the part about the BLOOD pour out of the South is creepy...

Is all this just speculation? I don't know but I think that the SYMBOLIC aspect MUST be considered. This IS, after all, primarily a RELIGIOUS BATTLE isn't it? The destruction of the TWINS in the final analysis WAS a SYMBOLIC ACT, everybody agrees with that, right? Why won't you accept that they SYMBOLIC ACT might just be the ACTUAL MOTIVE?

Once again. the events of 911 can be interpreted as a PAGAN BLOOD SACRIFICE using various themes from history, this is NOT MEANT to single out a particular religion.
Regards,
Chance

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IT'S A POEM - NOT A SONG and gog and maybe gog aka vug or dog any other three letter word will do in a pinch,just as long as it's not a 2 or 4 ,(being how thats a square) letter preloaded acronymn aka word-patent pending and divisatured,congratulations you'ev been un hippnotized ya retared brainwashed manchurian tool,as ya quote the words" of the english version of horsesOOt & god around the local pinhead area around the brain about yer flies and the war disease your creed stand's for as ya cower and evade the draft and manifest,spawn that thing to the lifestyle yer accustomed to cuz yer idiots of the capitol degree,that as a maggots version of freedom for ya, the parasit that walks behind and reacts only to it's" own vain and carnal self interest,skull and bones ,thats' close enough for i-doalive- HAPPY HAPPY MEMORIAL EVENT-doa,out PS whOOm cares if it rhymns

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The entire reason G.W. Bush was selected, and not his brother Jeb, was to push the meme that his administration was a bunch of incompetent idiots who can't get anything right.

This was to sell the American people the fiction that everything the administration did was due to incompetence and not calculated venality, and so far many Americans still buy the sham.

Step back and look at the facts and see how the incompetence cover story masks what actually took place.

Incompetent people don't steal two elections and get away with it.

Incompetent people don't participate in the single largest false flag event in world history and stay in power.

Incompetent people don't have 7,000 pages of legislation all ready to ram through Congress, enabling them to re-write the constitution and further accumulate power at the expense of the people.

Incompetent people don't invade and occupy two countries with next to no opposition, with no credible evidence, and then go on to enrich their cronies with billions in no-bid contracts.

Incompetent people don't commit war crimes and torture, openly admit it and remain free at large, collecting large speaking fees.

This latest chapter of the "crazy bible thumping" Bush is just one more spin to reinforce the incompetence con job put over on the American people, those who still buy it anyway.

Alternet continues to do their job supporting the left side of the propaganda matrix.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

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Seems that Bush had more than wealthy family connections with Bin Laden. They are both fighting a religious war, both jihadists. Different gods, same theme.

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We all knew he believed this. But when you see it spelled out in front of you it's terrifying.

Most Christians don't like talking about the "Revelations" side of their beliefs (unless they're in the "Left Behind" crowd) to the outside. Because they aren't self-important enough to believe that they know exactly what's going to happen (and more importantly when.)

So the fact that Bush was rambling on about it to a fellow leader is incredibly disturbing. Like when you pass a crazy guy on the street rambling about armageddon, only that crazy guy had unlimited power.

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Bush and his regime.

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I have a feeling that the following will surprise the Trotskyists, Maoists, anarchists, and miscellaneous progressive riffraff who read AlterNet:

Reliable sources (they insist on anonymity) confirm that Dubya was in fact on a mission from God; and that his charge was to rid the globe of infidels (read: fanatical Muslims) who contested Israel's violent (but moral) apartheid.

Evidently Bush had an epiphany after viewing The Blues Brothers (which he found offensive), with Aykroyd and Belushi.

And for those of you who might think it banal, remember that Martin Luther had his own epiphany about contesting Roman Catholicism while he was squatting (hopelessly constipated as usual) on his privy (see Erik Erikson: Young Luther).

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as far as complaining about anonamayous comments go why do ya ask,a tendancies to track for whats it matter anyway ,did i ever tell ya i'm confused about my home countris tribe of orgin ? , i'ev not received a reply in over 10'000 thousand years,whatta ya do keep track and count the queers , ya can start with #1 and ya probably don't have to lOOk to far,snake,,,doalive out

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From its nefarious inception religion at all times has been the enemy of reason, democracy, and peace. Its leaders (priests, pastors, rabbis, mullahs, etc) have long fed off the ignorance of those who seek spiritual comfort, demanding tithes, free-will offerings, and other gifts. And in return, the religious leaders support tyrants, dictators, and worse--as seen in Martin Luther's "Address to the German Nobility," the Spanish Inquisition, the fires to burn heretics kindled by Knox, Calvin, etc, to the hangings launched by Shaira in Islam, to the Sufi killings of Hinduism, and more. Religions has brought about more suffering than all the wars combined, and not until it is erased from the minds of mortals will there ever be peace. W. Bush is but one of many miscreants who, like UK's Tony Blair and the leaders of Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, the Vatican, etc., will quote scripture to justify slaughter, carnage (Abu Gharib prison), and theft.

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>There is a curious coda to this story. While a senior at Yale University George W. Bush was a member of the exclusive and secretive Skull & Bones society. His father, George H.W. Bush had also been a "Bonesman", as indeed had his father. Skull & Bones' initiates are assigned or take on nicknames. And what was George Bush Senior's nickname? "Magog".

They are also members of Bohemian Grove where every July, around the 15th, they, and other members, do a ceremony where they sacrifice an effigy of a baby to a 40 foot stone owl called Moloch. They call it the "Cremation of Care". In ancient times, there was such an idol worshipped where actual babies were sarificed, first borns, probably males. It was in the middle east. The only thing is that it had a head of a bull. It didn't look like an owl. Just google "Bohemian Grove", and you'll see that I am not making this up.

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The type of things Bush said to Chirac, which is kind of naive, considering that France was one the top Catholic countries of all time and are now very cynical when it comes to religion, are the kind of things that turned me off from those shows as far back as when I was in high school; back when all people talked about was playing records backwards and "hearing" the Satanic message in them. Over the years I came to one conclusion--THEIR PREDICTIONS DON'T MATCH ANYTHING IN EVEN THE WORST NEWSPAPERS.

Finally, Christianity remains one of the dumbest, most neglectful to the individual religions on this planet. Ever since it stopped being the religion of persecuted slaves, it lost the only thing it had--pity for the social outcast. Let's face it, Republicans are out to elect puppets. Cheney, as funny as it may sound to this day, was the real president but he was too much of a grouch to be allowed in front of the public. Then they came up with Bush.

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Christians think they are no longer under Mosaic Law, because Paul referred to his background as a former Pharisee and previous adherence to Mosaic Law as "so much garbage."

Nothing in the synoptic gospels suggests a break with Judaism. Jesus was called "Rabbi," meaning "Master" or "Teacher," 42 times in the gospels. Jesus' ministry was a rabbinic one. He went to the synagogue (Matthew 12:9), taught in the synagogues (Matthew 4:23, 13:54; Mark 1:39), expressed concern for Jairus, "one of the rulers of the synagogue" (Mark 5:36) and it "was his custom" to go to the synagogue (Luke 4:16).

Jesus himself said, "Do not suppose I have come to abolish the Law and the prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill...till heaven and earth pass away, not one jot or tittle pass from the Law till all is fulfilled. Whoever, therefore, breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven...unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:17-20)

Jesus also upheld the Torah in Luke 16:17: "And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for the smallest portion of the Law to become invalid."

Nor do these words refer merely to the Ten Commandments. Jesus meant the entire Torah: 613 commandments. When a man asked Jesus what he must do to inherit eternal life, Jesus replied, "You know the commandments." He quoted not just the Ten Commandments, but a commandment from Leviticus 19:13 as well: "Do not defraud." (Mark 10:17-22)

Jesus' disciples were once accused by the scribes and Pharisees of violating rabbinical tradition (Matthew 15:1-2; Mark 7:5), but not biblical law. Jesus never says anywhere in the entire New Testament that the Law is abolished; this was Paul's theology.

Sometimes Christians cite Matthew 7:12, where Jesus says "Do unto others..." and this "covers" the Law and the prophets. But Jesus was merely repeating in the positive what Rabbi Hillel taught a generation earlier. No one took Hillel's words to mean the Law had been abolished--why should we assume this of Jesus?

If Jesus really came to abolish the Law and the prophets, Simon (Peter) would not have resisted a divine command to kill and eat both "clean" and "unclean" animals (Acts 10), nor would there have been a debate in the early church as to what extent the gentiles were to observe Mosaic Law (Acts 15). When Paul visited the church at Jerusalem, James and the elders told him all its members were "zealous for the Law," and they were worried because they heard rumors Paul was preaching against Mosaic Law (Acts 21).

None of these events would have happened had Jesus really come to abolish the Law and the prophets.

Paul says if anyone has confidence in the Law, "I am ahead of him."

Would that mean Paul places himself ahead of Jesus, who said he did not come to abolish the Law and the prophets? Would that mean Paul places himself ahead of Jesus, who said whoever sets aside even the least of the Law's demands shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 5:17-19)?

Would that mean Paul places himself ahead of Jesus, who taught that following the commandments of God is the only way to eternal life (Mark 10:17-22)? Would that mean Paul places himself ahead of Jesus who said that it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for the smallest portion of the Law to become invalid (Luke 16:17)?

Paul may have regarded the Law as "so much garbage," but it should be obvious JESUS DIDN'T THINK THE LAW WAS "GARBAGE"!

Christians believe in Paul, not Jesus. Bertrand Russell called Paul the "inventor" of Christianity.

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Since last fall when all the financial institutions failing I have found it harder to attend church in recent months simply because its all about the 'end times'. This happened back on the 80's as well. Anytime economic times get tough and you have flare ups in the middle east, one sees so many end times preaching.

What makes me sad as well as mad is that since G W Bush started his Iraq war the number of Christians in Iraq which is a country that goes back to Biblical times and the time of Christ specifically, have diminished by over 60% and the Iraqi Christians that are left fear for their lives.

Wonder if GWB ever thought about them. Or did he simple see them as part of Gods plan and that they would be the martyrs of his war? Thing is, as a Christian I see to many humans playing God or at least trying to help God out.

And as a Christian if there was one lessons I learned was I am not God and sometimes you just have to mind your own business. And this goes for non Christians as well, since I see the same behavior in new-agers as another example.


~Beth~

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"There can be little doubt now that President Bush's reason for launching the war in Iraq was, for him, fundamentally religious. He was driven by his belief that the attack on Saddam's Iraq was the fulfilment of a Biblical prophesy in which he had been chosen to serve as the instrument of the Lord."

No way.

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Christians who entertain such notions are a threat to national and international security.

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We must bless Rouge Nations.The arms industry loves North Korea and Iran for creating fear in the world. Without rogue nations there would not be any need for a large military or weapons production. If our enemies layed down their arms millions would become unemployed. It is the reason that rouge nations are allowed to exist.

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I can't think of a better argument for SEP A RA TION - one of the primary reasons The United States of America was founded!!!!!

And an excellent argument for psychological testing of all presidential candidates at the very least, if not everyone running for public office.

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Great piece! Jacques Chirac warned Tony Blair that a vicious civil war would result from a US/UK invasion of Iraq. Blair suffered from the same sort of religious zealotry as George W. Bush, and the catastrophe in Iraq is the direct outcome of their application of religious belief to a political/military situation. Who needs facts, or even basic knowlege of the Middle East under such circumstances?

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What a story. And where oh where are those liberal-biased mainstream media when we need them to print this? Oh, sorry. They're all busy kissing ass to Cheney and giving him co-equal billing with President Obama.

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As Louis Tully, AKA Vinz Clortho, Keymaster of Gozer stated in Ghostbusters: "Gozer the Traveller will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldronaii the Traveller came as a very large and moving Torb. Then of course in the third reconciliation of the last of the Meketrex supplicants they chose a new form for him, that of a Sloar. Many Shubs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Sloar that day I can tell you." Check it out: agiantslor . ytmnd . com

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Lets measure religion on the scales of justice. On the left scale we place the good that religion has accomplished in the last several thousand years. The scale goes down about an inch. On the right scale we place the bad that religion has caused in the same time frame. The scale drops to the floor and continues to the center of the earth. Religion is a form of porn for the mind, and not a very good form of porn.

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Remember, about that same time, Bill Moyers came out with a story about how a large number of people in Congress and in high government positions believe the RAPTURE is coming, and are willingly polluting the earth to bring about the apocalypse quicker. People laughed Moyers off, just like we seem to be laughing Bush off, but we really do need to ask politicians if they believe in the rapture (and now Gog and Magog, apparently). Also ask everyone who is polluting, killing, and otherwise trying to bring about an end to the world if they are doing it to bring about the rapture. They should be publicly ridiculed and taken down from their places of power.

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People need to take into account Israel was egging Bush on, and now they are egging Obama to go into a war with Iran.

Israel To U.S.: Don't Delay Iraq Attack

Three bills to provoke war with Iran quote Obama's AIPAC speech

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Gog and Magog were the Scythians and Cimmerians who lived in Crimea region.They came down from the North and robbed like the Vikings did many centuries later. Ezekiel was eyewitness to this. That was his prophecy. Prophecy is not fortune telling,but running commentary on ongoing events.Same with Revelation, it was ongoing commentary on Roman Empire.Remember, there was no such thing as freedom of speech or press, so people coached their commentaries in coded messages we call prophecies.

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The byline reads "Clive Anderson" but the mini-bio at the bottom reads "Clive Hamilton". Please confirm as I would like to reach the real author.

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OMG, what the hell is wrong with this country?

To allow this to happen?

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I'm a gog, I hope your agog, We all should be agog at the crazyness that surrounds us. Chirac was stupifide. The French must have been dumbfounded..."Let's just not talk about the fact that the most powerful man in the world is mad" ....PEOPLE!!! let's get hang out more and talk and vent and laugh and think and get ourselves together. We can no longer elect these troubled people to office....We can no longer dribble down the silly paths etched out for us by these silly corporate honcho's....Keep the faith! In each other ..not in gog proficies

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I'll take it that ex Dictator Bush has taken up smoking crack since leaving the White house?

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"Organized religion was invented to keep the poor people from killing the rich people"

E Abbey

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Gog. Magog. Just the kind of stuff Bush and Shrub would wander off into. I bet though, they did find time to think a bit about oil and its price in relationship to their pocket. Wonder if George holds membership in the Flat Earth Society?

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This kind of "thinking" has infected our military as well.

#@!

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Comparing various history, such as that of ancient Mesopotamia, Egypt, Assyria, Persia, etc, with early European history and continuing on through the 18th Century up until now (India or any can be included), there is on ongoing thread of wealth aggrandizement in relation to war and other human oppression.

For example, the often mis-represented by modern authors Crusades were not religious wars but rather, religion, nationalism, misguided patriotism, etc. were used as an excuse, like the current fiasco in Iraq, for taking wealth away from Muslim cultures. Richard Lion Heart was literally bribed by the pope, soldiers were promised much "booty", including rape, human slavery and all around human oppression against the "losers". The "Church" owned extensive property and sought enhancement and protection for it, as did also various kings, nobles and wealthy land lords and businessmen. Kings, prelates and wealthy business men and landlords are intricately entwined with war and violence tracing as far back as historical civilization itself, as is also science, education and technology intricately in bed with any and every culture and their wars, however advanced or rudimentary their "science" may be.

While I am no defender of religion, it is no more accurate to blame religion for war than it is to blame science and education for Hiroshima. Motivation for war is clearly human greed and human greed is clearly an individual action of individual human beings, multiplied in force when individuals become tribes, corporations, armies, religious adherents, scientists, intellectuals (American, French, Russian revolutions) etc., as noted in the video link below.

I don't like religion and I'm not defending it, but it is naive to blame war and violence on religion and it is clearly wrong to blame war and violence on belief in God, which is not at all the same as organized religion. For example, Gandhi, MLK, Rosa Parks, Cesar Chavez, Albert Schweitzer, Mother Teresa and Helen Keller all believed in God. The last time I checked, non of them engaged in war and as a matter of record, they all strongly opposed it.

Is War Caused by belief in God?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY4uBQ-KIvI


Richard Aberdeen
Free CD: Who Would Jesus Bomb?
www.FreedomTracks.com

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Thank you for all of the comments in response to my article.
Please note that Alternet mistakenly records my name as "Clive Anderson". Despite several emails and phone messages to Alternet no one seems to think it important enough to correct the mistake.
So please accept my apologies for all of the confusion it has caused.
Clive Hamilton

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“We train young men to drop fire on people. But their commanders won’t allow them to write “fuck” on their airplanes because it’s obscene!”
– Colonel Walter E. Kurtz


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I can't see anything surprising that Bush, his weak brain addled with drink, says things bordering on insanity. Racism is familiar among his old guard - you don't have to be anti-Jewish nor anti-African to be racist. Don't blame religion - I count myself religious as a Buddhist. Some of our friends here have a narrow view of religion, unsurprisingly, believing it something to do with an old man in the sky.

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All of these comments would be very funny if we weren't living here on planet Earth. The biggest problem I have with this God thing is; If God loves us so much, why doesn't he show himself. Even calling God a "him" or "father" is a bit of a misnomer, because we don't know what "he", "she", or "it" really is. And, the best he has to offer us are some very old "scriptures" written in languages that are obsolete and in many instances extremely hard to understand. If knowing the scriptures is the only way of knowing this God, then I don't think he cares enough for his creation. I mean, when was the last time any of you had an intelligent conversation with God, or had a prayer answered in no uncertain terms. I'll wait........

Then there is confusion. Confusion about everything. No one, it seems, can even agree on who this Jesus character was, or if he did what they said he did. Scripture has some very serious flaws and just as many apologists to try to explain away the errors and gapping holes that have confounded the best minds in this area of expertise.

I know the Gospel is a very simple story if taken at face value, but if you start thinking, there-in lies the rub. But, even the fundamentalists have trouble telling the story. As soon as you confront a fundamentalist with one of the many flaws in the story, they will either tell you to have "faith" (in what?) or they will make a hasty retreat, or get pissed off and accuse you of causing division. Then, that will bring you back to square one and hopelessly disappointed.

I wish this God character would show himself and explain exactly what he wants from us instead of leaving everything to some half-baked, near-do-wells, who really don't have a clue.

But, some preachers seem to have their act together and become quite famous preaching the "Word". I say they "seem to have their act together"...on the surface. But, looking into their private lives reveals a different story, usually. How many preachers have been exposed as frauds because of their behavior. When they are exposed we find, many times, that they are doing exactly what they preached against. What the hell is that? If studying the scripture, praying and fasting and living full time "for the Lord" doesn't produce something better than this, then, what do we have beside, perhaps, another "Wizard of Oz".

Why don't we all say "enough" and call this God's bluff, and see what happens. If nothing happens, then he either doesn't exist, or he doesn't really care enough to show us the "way". What do you think about this proposition?

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Just to add to Sister_Lauren's comment;

"Obama has never even come close to serving in the military, except for serving up that batch of hash in Baghdad. And there he was with his wife in a soup kitchen for god sake! Things has got so bad that we've got soup kitchens all over this country now. So, two millionaires in their armored limo drop by a soup kitchen, and this is supposed to make me feel good about my country?"

The MSM also has a large role to play in this fiasco. If they had reported the facts and left out all the right-wing fear-mongering, then maybe those babies in Congress would have been more compelled to do what they should have. This is such a sad commentary on our political system. Instead of speaking out on what is right and just, they fear backlash caused by the MSM' stupid punditry. Congress is thinking in terms of the next election cycle, votes. They need to grow a spine and do the job they were elected to do. Even if that means speaking out about the lies and manipulations of the goverment and especially the MSM. They always seem to find surrogates to back up the fear mongering stories. Where are the surrogates to back up the truth?

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Beatitudes: A "Godless" Jesus?

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The article misstates that Bush believed that engaging Gog and Magog in battle would *prevent* the apocalypse.

Nothing that public-spirited, guys. I spent a long time in Fundie churches, and the Gog/Magog battle is supposed to *kick off* the Apocalypse, thereby hastening the Rapture (according to the Fundie sects that believe in it ... not all do) and the Return of the Lord (they all believe in *that*) and His reign of peace on Earth.

Yeah, that last part sounds pretty cool. But anyone who seeks to start the bloodbath and environmental disasters leading up to it is a monster the likes of which this world has not yet seen.

See how a nice stupid family man full of half-understood theology and loaded with plenty of money and power could have become the most dangerous person in history?

Glad we dodged that bullet. I used to hate Bush. Now I wish him better understanding and some real wisdom in his late life. But I still hate Cheney. That guy is Wormtongue.

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Jesus taught us not to apply the law of retaliation. No Christian invaded Afghanistan or Iraq. Look at the works of those who claim to be Christians, and you will know one when you see one. Jesus warned us to be careful in our practice of our faith, Jihad in the Islamic tradition, there will be many born again pagans.

Biblical prophecy, I hate to disillusion you but for Christians there is no such thing. Make no doubt about it, Prophets are messengers from God, but they speak to specific people at a specific time for a specific purpose. The Jewish prophetic tradition is how they communicated the messages it was a language. The Prophets of old are our past; they are how we got here not where we are going. Revelations the grand prophecy of the New Testament is nothing of the kind. John was a Jew and John was speaking to Jews. John took some of the old and some of the new, and in the old prophetic tradition of Daniel, John tried to bridge the gap between the old Jewish tradition and a new Jewish tradition, that became Christianity. John was trying to help Jews make the transition not speaking to us, hell we are already here. The question for us is which way do we go? Only God knows that answer, because not constrained by space and time, God can see those who will write of us as part of the ancient ones. So when the TV preachers who love to quote the old prophets and very seldom quote Jesus come on, turn them off. They have little to teach you and are there to deceive you. If you can not grasp prophecy you will never comprehend the Trinity, but that may be an understanding for a future time. In the mean time have a little faith, “forgive them Father for they know not what they do”.

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JESUS H. CHRIST!!

Most delusional people are easily identified and put on a 72 hour hold. How, then, do we know when a politician, who is a complete lunatic, is trying to act 'normal' -- with the blessings, support and funding of other lunatics -- in order to commit insane crimes against humanity??????

OVER ONE MILLION HUMAN BEINGS MURDERED AND TORTURED BY GEORGE W. BUSH AND DICK CHENEY WANT TO KNOW!!

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It's been awhile (2003) but if my memory serves me right, the Frogs were Frightened and reFused to Fight.

So we renamed French Fries, Freedom Fries.

I guess after this revelation it's time for another rename, let's try

Fools Fries, Fooled Fries, Foolish Fries, Foolhardy Fries, Feign Fries, Folly Fries, Farce Fries, Faulty Fries, Fanatics Fries.

And finally Pyrites Fries.(Check the dictionary)

Suggestions welcome!.

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This man is practically brain dead - whatever lickspittle comes out of his mouth is put there by his daddy and the Bilderberg mafioso:
"Are you ready for a new prophecy Georgie?" - pull his string and see what comes out.

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The great danger in the world is Religion - whether Muslim, Catholic, Scientology or whatever and the greater danger are the fundamentalists of any of them. The US got the President it deserved and the world is reaping the consequences. It would have been much more sensible to have elected an atheiest, but that is not likely to happen, is it?

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plain folks catch the result. Big money put themselves, their money and their power behind Adolf Hitler and we all received the results. It was clear in Moscow that the war between the Reds and the Whites was going to result in the collapse, disollution, or a marked shrinking of territory for what had been Czarist Russia. They put in a strong man to protect the vast size of Russia. They got the dictator Joseph Stalin and all freedom was lost. Did you notice how quickly it fell apart without the "power"?

The United States has the best government money can buy. We have government by big money and "strong" men (Henry Kissinger types). Unless we can revive democracy we are dead in the water. We are going nowhere.

Campaign finance reform must in fact completely divorce political campaigns from "contributions". If that does happen your and my vote might actually count. If it doesn't happen start learniung languages, get your passport up to date, and prepare yourself to leave the United States. The "smart" Germans left Germany in the thirties. Some returned. Some didn't live to return. Some didn't want to return.

The United States has now dropped to thirtieth place in the world in terms of quality of life. You must ask yourself if you will see it rise to the top ten in your lifetime.

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power and money. We may never know whether George Bush was sincere or just duped. He will say that he was sincere.

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Poor semi-literate, Business-major W. Had he concentrated a bit more in Humanities he would have realized that Erich Auerbachشات-العاب-

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