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A Tale of Two Speeches: Obama Uplifts, Cheney Uses Old Arsenal of Fear-Mongering

By Leslie Savan, The Nation. Posted May 23, 2009.


While we're enthralled by Obama's elegance and reason, Cheney waits like a troll under a bridge, watching for the slightest misstep.
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As rational, soaring, and adult-ready as Barack Obama's speech before the shrine of the Constitution in the National Archives was -- and, in contrast, as full of retreaded lies as Dick Cheney's Personal Prosecution Protection Plan before the rightwing American Enterprise Institute was -- the former vice was already hanging ten on a fear wave. The day before, the Republicans drew a blind fear response from the Democratically controlled Senate, which voted 90-6 against funding the closing of Guantanamo.

With that vote, the Dems returned to their customary defensive crouch. But it's not entirely their fault. Obama's White House made a basic mistake when it failed to recognize that if you leave a bunch of beaten dogs alone in the backyard for a week with the person who beat them, they'll whine and mewl and suck up to that abusive master all over again.

It doesn't matter that Cheney is on the other side of the fence now and can no longer hurt them. Old habits die hard, and it takes a firm hand to get a yellow dog up out of the middle of the road and home where it belongs.

Where was Obama as video of orange-garbed Gitmo prisoners were being splayed across TV for the past few weeks? The fandango about the suspected terrorists (or simply "the terrorists," as most media call them) spiraled into deeper and deeper sinkholes of illogic with each passing day. Gitmoers, we were told, are going to bust outta the local jail, or worse, assemble Islamofacist gangs while in Supermax solitary lockdown; then they'll hold a habeas corpus carved out of soap to some hapless guard's head and walk out into the sunny suburbs, scot-free. Never mind that they're not U.S. citizens and have not a scintilla of a chance to be legally released among the citizenry.

Nonetheless, the cowed Dems ran at the very prospect of ads like the Senate Republican web spot that went up earlier this month (and that Rachel Maddow skewered beautifully), or this one, a sort of Daisy Girl Goes to Gitmo, released today by RNC:

In his speech, Obama sympathized with the quaking souls of his fellow Party members, saying, "These issues are fodder for 30-second commercials and direct-mail pieces that are designed to frighten. I get it."

Get a grip, European-style socialists! There's plenty of evidence that the American people want to turn the page on all that fear and doubt. A vast majority desperately wants Barack Obama to be their knight in shining armor, hoping he will modestly rewrite the social contract in a way that eases their economic burdens, gets us out of wars we can't afford, and moves toward the universal health care that every other developed country takes for granted.

But if we're supposed to have his back, then he's got to have ours as well. And as long as Obama lets bankers and their friends, like Timothy Geithner and Larry Summers, stay in power, Americans will have nagging doubts about who's on whose side.

This is where domestic and national security issues come together in a single Gordian Knot. Watching Cheney's sneering performance, the thought hit home that the real power in America doesn't come from the barrel of a gun but from the threat of a pink slip. Sure, Wall Street is unpopular now, resented and derided around the world, but Cheney's very persistence on the stage (and the lickspittle obeisance he got from much of the media, which raised him to be Obama's -- and not, say, Bobby Jindal's -- split-screen equal) was a warning that FDR's "malefactors of great wealth" are still standing just behind the curtain.


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Leslie Savan is the author of Slam Dunks and No-Brainers: Language in Your Life, the Media, Business, Politics, and, Like, Whatever.

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Cui Bono?
Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy on May 23, 2009 12:18 AM   
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Obama doesn't have a "boogie man" figure in his administration. How do we know all this kayfabe with Cheney hasn't been carefully prearranged?


FREE AMERICA

TURN OFF YOUR TV

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» RE: Cheney kept alive by Satan! Posted by: sasquuatch55
» RE: Cheney kept alive by Satan! Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy
You Can Fool Some of the People...
Posted by: DrBrian on May 23, 2009 12:28 AM   
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The author has been completely bamboozled. Honey may drip from Obama's lips, but venom drips from his pen; the author hasn't convinced me that what he says far outweighs what he actually does--which is, in large measure, what Cheney did. Other than building a legal firewall around himself by theoretically abolishing torture, he's doing exactly what the previous administration did.

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I liked both speeches, to be honest.
Posted by: rickiey on May 23, 2009 2:17 AM   
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Obama's was, once again, candid and inspiring. And

Cheney's on the other hand, was candid, but not inspiring. His was a simple, "this is what we did, and this is why".

Although I disagree with about 90% of what Cheney did, I do that that Cheney makes a good point when he asks why Obama makes public everything about the waterboarding except the results of it.

We have a right to know.

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» Look out for the bus!!! Posted by: 2thepoint
WHERE IS ALL OF THIS HOPE AND CHANGE AND HELP FOR WORKING PEOPLE WHO LOST THEIR JOBS?
Posted by: joeocho88 on May 23, 2009 2:30 AM   
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PRESIDENT OBAMA PROMISED HE WOULD HELP STIMULATE EH ECONOMY SO THAT THERE WOULD BE MORE JOBS!

SO FAR THE ONLY PEOPLE I HAVE SEEN BEING HELPED ARE ALL OF THESE CROOKED FINANCIAL PEOPLE WHO WERE FRIENDS OF BUSH AND CHENEY AND OBAMA AGREED TO PART TWO OF EH BAILOUT.

JUST WHAT SORT OF GAME IS GOING ON HERE?

I LIKED OBAMA AND I BELIEVED IN HIM BUT I DON'T LIKE WHAT I HAVE SEEN SO FAR.

HE TALKS A GOOD GAME BUT HIS ACTIONS BELIE HIS WORDS.

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As long as Emanuel/Likud infects
Posted by: weathered on May 23, 2009 3:14 AM   
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the oval office, well-choreographed deceit and selfish agenda at the expense of others will prevail.

There's is reason why Emanuel raised his thumb to his nose and wiggled his fingers? Integrity has no place for him, distrust is his home.

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Differences Can Be Obvious if You Stop Painting Over Them.
Posted by: kanekoa64 on May 23, 2009 3:55 AM   
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Fickle bunch, aren't we?
Comparing Obama and Cheney's speeches as if there was a similar level of impetus or credibility. As if a man who is our current President, in office for less than a year and proving himself to be more than competent, who's dealing with cleaning up the misdeeds of the other man, an ex Vice President with a less than reputable record and a less than shining character bordering on evil, who's unbridled greed failed attempt to build an empire of fear and lies has put us near the edge of extinction, can even be considered relevant or non-ridiculous!
Obama tries to make this a better country. He missteps or concedes ground to gain an inch and nay-sayers throw him under the bus along with those of so little patience, they give up and whine about it. He's fixing our country for all of us.
Cheney is an as of yet unconvicted criminal covering his tracks with what little clout and connections he has left. He has NEVER had our best interests in mind from the days before he took office and helped construct the lie machine he thinks still keeps him safe. Bush seems to have the sense to keep quiet.
Amazing. Cheney has spread evil and won't be stopped until he has to face a court where his lies can be held up for even him to see how hollow they sound.

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Come Hell or High Waterboard
Posted by: Tom Degan on May 23, 2009 3:59 AM   
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For the record: "Waterboarding involves strapping some poor bastard down, taping a piece of cloth over his face, and pouring torrents of water over him. He then gets the overwhelming sensation that he is drowning. When an investigator asked the CIA to perform the procedure on him, even though he knew he was in no danger of dying, he found the duration of the ordeal unbearable and extremely frightening. His conclusion? Waterboarding is torture. PERIOD. Sixty years ago, several Japanese military commanders were sent to prison for many years for committing the same crime. Some were even executed! You see where I'm headed here, don't you. Okay, I'll stop.

And you thought the only thing George W. Bush was torturing all those years was the English language! And do you remember the word Alberto Gonzalez used in describing the international laws against torture? "Quaint".

"Did you see that, Lester? That there feller's entire respiratory system just shut down! Aw, sheeeit! Ain't that quaint?"

I hate be a party pooper here, but I have a funny feeling that in an international court of law, none of Cheney's defenses regarding torture would hold much water (No pun intended). I've always had this quaint notion that the United States is bound by tradition - and honor - to abide by the Geneva Conventions. To say that these so-called "enhanced interrogation techniques" (Paging Dr. Orwell) were successful is, to put it as politely as I can, disingenuous. Were they able to extract any reliable information from these guys via the use of torture? It depends on whom you ask. But this much may be ascertained beyond a shadow of a doubt: a waterboardee will eventually tell the waterboarder anything and everything he or she wants to hear - anything to stop the extreme pain and terror. Human beings (being human beings) are kind of funny that way, you know?

Under the right (or wrong) conditions, a person in duress will confess to damned near anything. When I was a kid, I once admitted to a guy who was twisting my left index finger, that late at night when no one was watching, I liked to sing Smoke Gets In Your Eyes while dressed in a Coco Chanel negligee. Hey! A guy's gotta go what a guy's gotta do! As you can imagine (and has been proven beyond a doubt) most of the information the CIA received during these interrogations was absolutely bogus.

I have this really scary feeling that Cheney was given intelligence that another attack is right around the corner and he is positioning himself to be able to say, "I told you so". Maybe (hopefully) I'm wrong, but I wouldn't put it past the hideous little thug.

It's Base, Stupid!

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

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Who are the moral relativists now?
Posted by: smendler on May 23, 2009 4:51 AM   
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Hmmm - the Cheney argument seems to be "it's OK because it worked" - which sounds to me an awful lot like situational ethics, doesn't it?

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» RE: great Posted by: Carol Burns
Strange
Posted by: james108 on May 23, 2009 6:51 AM   
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Obama definitely is a smoother talker. I still can't get people who seem enthralled by him but can't see the obviousness of his elite, war mongering actions, or his suppression of basic civil rights and racial justice, as he did with the Durbin II conference. Obama supported the Bush energy bill and FISA. He supports the Patriot Act. I think he supports a presidential prerogative to dismiss the constitution at will.
Obama gave the war and corruption a new face, but it's still just as bad if not worse. He managed to squeeze a military budget bigger than Bush and trillions more for his elite backers than Bush could have. He brings in elite health care lobbyists to define our future, excluding single payer advocates, and people applaud his new style.
So we can increase troop deployments and call it peace making again. We can threaten other countries and call it freedom fighting again when they don't listen. We can stage pretexts for war. We can hire mercenaries, and pretend they won't torture.
Whew. That was close. People almost woke up.

An attack would probably by spun well by both sides. Obama can brush off these people asking for civil rights, privacy, and constitutional law, because he's just been so darn liberal, and look what happened. Cheney can say I told you so. Problem solved, if you don't care about anything good anymore.

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» Who's in thrall to what? Posted by: hagwind
» Splitting Hairs Posted by: james108
How is pit bull Cheney making noise and not Bush?
Posted by: xvictor on May 23, 2009 7:29 AM   
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Our former so-called President has remained very silent since his disgraceful departure from the White House. It's his former criminal neocon-in-chief vice-president that's making all the noise. Methinks it's a confirmation of who was the real puppet string manipulator during those overlong nightmare Repug years.

Just as well Bush says nothing.

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Obama fails to "uplift" or educate about EMPIRE
Posted by: amacd on May 23, 2009 8:16 AM   
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Leslie Savan misses the real message of Obama's speech --- which was that Obama referred to the Empire that America fought to gain its independence and values, but Obama did NOT go on to educate his audience about the guileful modern Empire that America must now fight to keep its independence and values.

Yes, Leslie, Obama's speech was "uplifting" --- but it was uplifting precisely for the Empire that he failed to address!

This is what I wrote to the NYT editorial comments (and all other blogs) regarding my extreme hope, then followed by immediate disappointment, with Obama's speech:

"The Real Path to Security" [NYT Ed title] is to just stop digging the hole that leads us and the U.S. to the abyss and ineluctable death-spiral of EMPIRE.

In the film "Jerry Maguire" Renée Zellweger says to Tom Cruise, "Shut up, just shut up. You had me at 'hello'".

Yesterday watching the beginning of Obama's speech I found myself wanting to shout, "Shut up, just shut up, you had me at 'EMPIRE'".

What had my hopes up was Obama's early history lesson at the beginning of his speech when he said:

"Fidelity to our values is the reason why the United States of America grew from a small string of colonies under the writ of an empire to the strongest nation in the world."

I'll admit, with my older hearing, that I thought Obama had said "colonies under the (grip) of empire", rather than the "writ" of empire, but to my ear the taboo and dangerous word that Obama was about to use as his teaching example was that we were under an 'EMPIRE'.

My heart jumped, I perked up my old ears, and got ready to listen to this most educated and educating president explain to his American students that the British Empire that had so oppressed and tyrannized our forefathers was, like all Empires, not merely a form of political oppression by the governmental monarchy of George III, but also was an indivisible economic tyranny of the British royally chartered East India Corporation, which caused the real Boston Tea Party against this combined political economic Empire.

I waited in rapt attention to Obama's every word waiting for him to speak truth to the oppressive power of Empire and explain, to we his students, how Empire is a pathology of both the political and economic (as well as social and military) spheres of our lives, and then to really lower the boom on Empire by explaining how one sphere of Empire (typically the economic) perverts all other spheres and actively seeks to take over all of the elements of a democratic society and 'democratic thinking' with the tyranny and deceit of an out-of-control ruling-elite that usurps 'democratic thinking' with their own private hierarchy of 'Empire thinking' --- just as Ben Franklin feared and knew when he said, "Now, we have our Republic, if we can keep it" (protected from Empire).

Not only did Obama not fulfill my 'hope' in his ability to 'change' our maelstrom driven course from one headed toward Empire, back to the safe course of democracy, but he then broke my heart by lying the 'white lie of politics' which Bill Clinton's deadly 'triangulation' has already shown always turns as black as death in the hands of Empire.

Obama said, not once, but twice, in describing the measures taken by the Bush/Cheney regime after the 'shock' of 9/11, "I believe that many of these decisions were motivated by a sincere desire to protect the American people." ----- Bull Shit!


Alan MacDonald
Sanford, Maine

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Cheney should be in Prison not on TV
Posted by: Outspokengrandmother on May 23, 2009 8:59 AM   
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Cheney is a war criminal and he should be in lock down for the rest of his life....for the rest of two lives if he had them.

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Indict Cheney
Posted by: RTH on May 23, 2009 9:32 AM   
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If Dick Cheney is going to keep himself in the public eye, it's time to investigate and indict him for war crimes. That would put an end to his butting in where he doesn't belong and put his treasonous rantings in perspective.

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Unbelievable
Posted by: QQOblivion on May 23, 2009 10:13 AM   
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Great article.
I want to stress that the Cheney-is-the-Devil crowd is not making an adequate retort in the media to the anti-truth spewed by that piece of shit -- Yes, Cheney's poll numbers are RISING as we speak!

Fewer Americans now, as compared to a few months ago, realize that Dick Cheney is PURE EVIL, believe it or not.

And Cheney would laugh evilly about Americans' gullibility, if he could laugh! So, he'll just sneer instead.

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» RE: Unbelievable Posted by: amacd
Unfair and Balanced
Posted by: dumdumboy on May 23, 2009 10:15 AM   
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This controversy highlights how, in trying to be balanced as a centrist, Obama is doing us a disservice.

If the prisoners at Guantanamo are guilty of war crimes, then they should be easily prosecuted and sentenced. If there isn't any evidence against them that would stand up in a court of law, then they should be released to their home country.

Moving the prisoners, sans trial, to another prison is simply smoke-and-mirrors. A skunk by any other name, or in any other location, would stink just as bad.

Just as Obama is selling-out the production workers in this country, as John Nichols has documented in the pages of THE NATION, so too is he selling-out the civil libertarians, by his half-assed measures concerning the Guantanamo prisoners.

One wonders how much more of his base he can continue to offend, without it biting him in the ass. In other words, when is a wake-up call actually perceived as a wake-up call?

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BA
Posted by: mnstra on May 23, 2009 10:57 AM   
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Great article. I must express public concern about the former Vice President.
Cheney's actions, speech, rhetoric and overall demeanor is one of somebody planning to somehow unseat a duly elected official through force.
He has done far worse in the good old USA. And just because this is a democracy with elections, it does not mean that it can't happen here. I think his public appearances-speeches are ominous and threatening to the stability of the Obama administration, Look what has happened to politics since 2000.I would not put it past him and his bizarre cabal!!!!!!!!!

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Shut up, Cheney
Posted by: Griminy on May 23, 2009 12:23 PM   
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Aren't there already compelling reasons to just lock Cheney away?

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Why this war criminal
Posted by: Pirate1 on May 23, 2009 12:44 PM   
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Cheney is alowed to even speak on national network TV countering a Presidential address speaks volumes about how creepy everything has become. Never does someone like Chomsky or Kucinich get such an opportunity... the media is still owned and operated by people alligned with the world view of the Cheneys of the world... don't kid yourself because you've elected a centrist believing him to be a left candidate that anything like real change is about to even be discussed, let alone happen.

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Last time I checked...
Posted by: Quannah on May 23, 2009 4:51 PM   
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Obama was President of the United States, and Cheney is simply a common citizen, with no powers whatsoever. Not to mention he is one of the most distrusted and disliked (I think hated) man in the country.

So why should they EVER be considered EQUAL?

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» $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Posted by: godsbreath64
POTUS
Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy on May 23, 2009 5:31 PM   
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We are exactly one major terrorist incident away from Dick Cheney being the next President of the United States.


FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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Deadeye Dick
Posted by: travelertoo on May 23, 2009 6:19 PM   
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The Bush Presidency should be known as the disappearing presidency. When the twin towers were hit Bush DISAPPEARED. The Iraq nuclear missiles DISAPPEARED. The CIA tapes of interrigation DISAPPEARED. Bush was nowhere to be found when 'shotgun Dick' disclosed that Valerie Plame was a (covert) CIA agent which was classified information. When our embassy in Serbia burned Bush DISAPPEARED. Bush's Robber Baron presidency has made our money DISAPPEAR. With Voodoo Economics Georgie has made most of our jobs DISAPPEAR. But what would happen if Bush really disappeared? Can you imagine 'Deadeye Dick' with his finger on the nuclear trigger? If that were to happen everyone might just DISAPPEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He did manage to APPEAR just long enough to lobby for CORPORATE WELFARE for the international banks. Goodbye Goofball Georgie, have fun in Texass.

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Because It Needs Repeating...
Posted by: kanekoa64 on May 24, 2009 12:05 AM   
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It's funny, but not in that, "Hah hah!" kind of way...
People who determined to dislike Obama have the same amount of vitriolic condemnation for his efforts of less than half a year as people who it took at least a couple of years until they had it up to the eyeballs with the previous criminal Administration. The effort to detract and defame Obama not only happened before he was elected, but has surpassed any Liberal efforts aimed similarly at W and the evil bastard, Cheney in it's violent rhetoric and unfathomable level of hatred and acceptance in the mainstream media. It will be to our embarassment when future generations have to watch morons on the Right say things like, "He's really Kenyan!" and "Obama is the Anti-Christ!"
Not to mention, "Kill That Nigger President!". Fucking lovely.
All in some lame attempt to vilify him to make Republicans Right Wing conservatives feel better about getting us into the mess and lying, cheating and stealing (because they are the party of morally and ethically superior patriotic Americans!) to triumphantly entrench two of the worst leaders this country has ever had and who's evil almost sank the whole country into chaos and ruin. All for profiting their singular generation with our money and ransacking the planet without a care that their own children might not get to see old age, let alone inherit those ill gotten gains. They became a self parody of the Rich, White, "The worm better watch out when I bite the apple!" greedy beyond all logic, cartoons.
Making up fantastic stories and conjecture so you can say,
"See, see?!! He's as bad as Bush!!!" doesn't fly no matter how many of you want to believe it so bad, you readily swallow any and all fictional Obama "Secret Agenda's" or watch like vultures for the slightest misstep to slap another cooked up, un-American and traitorous label to justify calling for armed rebellion because you crybaby's can't accept a Black man as President, despite having no solid evidence whatsoever. It doesn't erase your part in getting us here, either. You got duped. Face facts, rejoin America and stop the long winded, double quoted, linked to other sites that lie to appear legitimate, steeped in Racial hate, fairy tales for sore losers.
In losing, we ALL have won back our country from the insane attempt to rebuild AND destroy Rome for the REAL ELITISTS.
Obama has managed by being really careful and smart, to pull our collective asses out of the Right Wing nose dive the greedy, sick, delusionist empire builders put us in at full throttle, smiling, Bible thumping and flag waving the whole time. Your compounding being fooled by being pissed off and too arrogant to admit it. He's not the guy you want him to be. Look for Boogie Men somewhere else, or better, start being pissed off at the right people.
It's a little late to be afraid of Black people, besides that "Black Mans Revenge" White southerners have been whispering about isn't coming.
It's time to stop pretending your the real Americans and become one of them.
Man up, Chump.

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» Thanks from Dhaka Posted by: DrBrian
The Complicit MSM
Posted by: Lilly on May 24, 2009 3:18 AM   
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I am horrified by the way the mainstream media are treating Cheney's outbursts as co-equal in the "debate" with a sitting President. I am old enough to remember the last thirteen Presidents and do not recall the like of it. Just now for a post on townhall I looked up some dates and quotations re free speech, sedition, and treason. Briefly, during Clinton's Kosovo War the Right Wing gave Clinton hell and pleaded their patriotism. Then during Bush's Iraq War, the same figures called for the restoration of the Sedition Act so that Americans protesting Bush's war could be jailed. Now, with another Democratic adminstration in Washington, those same-old same-old guys are defending the Right's treasonous attacks on Obama as "free speech".

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All you people are missing the point
Posted by: leafsong1 on May 24, 2009 6:28 AM   
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Obama and Cheney just pissed on all of us. Yes, it was a travesty for the MSM to set the disgraced Cheney's comments up as having equivalent legitimacy to Obama's. BUT OBAMA WENT TO SOME TROUBLE TO PAINT US AS EQUIVALENT TO CHENEY. Didn't anyone notice that the MSM had an insane neocon debating a cowardly centrist who has embraced most neocon policies, and all three agreed that the leftists who have been the only ones consistently right in all of this idiocy are the only people who should not be allowed an equal platform for speaking to America? Didn't you notice that every time Obama disagreed with Cheney, he made sure to tell everyone that people who advocated the rule of law in these matters was just as wrong? Obama called all progressives fools and reccommended that they be ignored, and progressives weren't allowed to repond, and your problem is with Cheney? WAKE UP OBAMABOTS! OBAMA IS NOT ON OUR SIDE.

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THE DUFUS: comments abou are spot on
Posted by: reelman on May 24, 2009 6:39 AM   
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from lucianne.com under OUT OF MONEY article by The American Thinker:
Reply 10 - Posted by: Jebediah, 5/24/2009 8:02:48 AM (No. 5543603)

Does this man take responsibility for ANYTHING? The pre Cheney speech the other day was another good example: he was irritated, angry and, above all, sure that the "terrible mess" (?) we were in via Gitmo was someone else's fault: Bush, us being nasty to Muslims in the past, the Crusades, you name it? This is a man who relies on his charm and when he doesn't get his way holds his breath and turns blue, as steam comes out of his ears.
What he often says is illogical (with a HUGE debt how do you add the huge debt of healthcare...in any case, you know Obama and Congress won't be rationed in terms of health services.) Just disgusting that this is a country that voted someone in based on rhetoric that was never examined, Chicago deals and friends never parsed, and some pat on the back Chris Matthews types thrilled they had elected a black man. THAT is called racial discrimination.

Reply 11 - Posted by: sinic, 5/24/2009 8:19:39 AM (No. 5543639)

"This is a consequence of the crisis that we've seen and in fact our failure to make some good decisions on health care over the last several decades."
Yeah, health care, that's the ticket! And Bush, yeah - that's the ticket, too!! I hope the airheads, fruits, nuts, cowards, and dope smokers that elected this incompetent moron get a good dose of hurt from his "hope and change" vision. They're gonna need univeral health care, alright. Because they'll be dehydrated from throwing up hourly after they realize that the "We" in "We're out of money" is THEM!! The people on this site are quite aware of it already.

Reply 12 - Posted by: GraniteState, 5/24/2009 8:21:38 AM (No. 5543641)

Since Jimmy Carter, I have never, ever been wrong about why I did not vote for a candidate for President. Barack once again validates why I always vote for the better choice. (Not that McCain was much better, but we would not be in the situation we are currently in). I am so proud not to have voted for Mr.Hope and Change. And you know a very tragic thing? When I am in a group of people and I mention this these days, I can't find anyone who will admit they voted for him. Try it, you will be smiling in a few seconds, because all these droolers who did vote for him realize just how stupid a move that was now. Why are people so stupid and naive? That is the real question here. Why couldn't people see this during the election? Actually, he is even worse than I imagined he would be. Way worse. It is incredible how bad this guy is. Incredible. He makes Jimmy Carter look like a genius and that is going somewhere.

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No Magic Wands or Tooth Fairies Folks
Posted by: Purple Girl on May 24, 2009 6:59 AM   
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This Economic meltdown was inevitable after 3 decades of the feudalistic sysemt called 'Trickle Down'- it is so far ingrained into our system the infection is literally systemic. Exorcising it will require a scapel, not an Axe.
Far more long standing of an insideous disease is the Miltiary Industrial Complex- lest we forget Eisenhowers Forewarning- thus it was already up and operational in the '50's. Kinda why our foreign policies and actions have been intertwined with Industrial interests instead of 'We the People's interests for so long. who the hell do you think the CIA works for- not US, but the Multinationals corps and their foreign Overlords (Oil Royals wanted more oil fields and control over distribution routes- boots on the ground in Afghanistan and Iraq, of course).So Again a Scapel, not an Axe is needed to detangle this international conspiracy and treason.
I'm also amazed my fellow Humanitarians have failed to even ask the Question- 'Do the Detainees in those torture photos want them released for Global Consumption?' Isn't the demand for release victimizing them again by exposing their moments of suffering and humiliation nearly as egregious as the actual acts committed against them. Isn't that why we are always concerned that a Rape victim not be raped a second time by the Judical system- the public insatiable morbid facination with the 'gorey details' leaving the victim once again victimized.
the Left can not fall victim to the same overzealous blind rage and disregard that the Right showed when getting US into this Cluster fuck after 9/11. The Far left is just as prone to reckless Self Righteous indignation as the Right- leaving Logic,pragmatism and the potential adverse consquences behind in it's devatating wake.
Economic and Foreign policy problems we are facing did not suddenly happen over the last 8 yrs- they've been a slow steady infiltration and infestation- it's going to take some finesse and at times some continued 'dances with the devil' to sort them out without the entire system collapsing due to hast or Blind rage.
Under the Bushies we became the enemy we were combating, the Left should bear that in mind when waging their Battles too. We on the Left can not become the Right- driving the country into a head long catastrophe by operating purely off our gutteral Response.

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I no longer support Obama/Biden
Posted by: waterflaws on May 24, 2009 4:06 PM   
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That speech confirmed for me that Obama, like all the others (with VERY FEW exceptions), is a Corporatist masquerading as a Democrat. The Corporatists have spent the last 30-50 years co-opting the Democrat Party (they already had the Republicans). Fooled us at least twice; Shame On Us!

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"cowed Dems" are really "Covert Corporatists [Republicans]"
Posted by: waterflaws on May 24, 2009 4:18 PM   
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I think we ("Democrats") have been duped, just like the Republicans we scoff at. Neither of us get what we want and the Corporatists make a great game out of pointing out our differences and getting us to fight each other.

It's not what they say, it's how they vote (as a bloc). Do you really believe things would have been that much different under McCain? - dig deep! Look at the things/desires we have IN COMMON and realize that we don't get those, either.

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Cheney should be in Prison not on TV
Posted by: rjs on May 24, 2009 4:48 PM   
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I'll second this motion. The man should do life behind bars. Bottom line.

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POWELL: THE PANDERER
Posted by: reelman on May 25, 2009 6:40 AM   
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POWELL: THE PANDERING LIBERAL

“Rush will not get his wish and Mr. Cheney was misinformed – I am still a Republican,” Powell said in a much-anticipated interview on CBS’s “Face the Nation” two weeks after Cheney suggested on the same show that the retired general had left the party by endorsing Barack Obama last fall.

CRAWFISH NOTE: General Powell is simply wrong again. He was wrong to come out against the Republican candidate for president last year, wrong to mush mouth in Desert Storm when we could have taken out Hussein thugs and wrong by constantly pandering for (it seems a job or legacy) the liberal ideas of big gov-meant, higher taxes and secular values (like stopping unborn heartbeats).

How is Powell been any different from a democrat the past few years? Tell us all how your positions are in any way mainstream Republican?
Powell is part of the problem, not the solution. He got a moderate Republican candidate then stabbed him and his Party in the back by coming out for a clueless radical secular socialist with no record of leadership. That alone should tell you something.

How’s the change working for you now, General? Checked your retirement investments lately?
Hey General Affirmative Action, join that other mush mouth Arlen…the Party does not need a millstone.
Powell has only the stale words of the socialists. Ever heard of a single new idea from the General? Sit down and shut up.
Just go away and stop begging for an admin job, its shameful.

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WHAT IF ?
Posted by: VZEQICVA on May 25, 2009 9:02 AM   
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Al Gore had stayed around to trash Bush in 2000? Funny thing about the Repubs, they are like a three ring circus and continue to get far too much attention from the rest of us. They are loyal to the point of stupidity, and it works. ANNA

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N. KOREA: POST OF THE WEEK
Posted by: reelman on May 25, 2009 6:39 PM   
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Posted by: Jebediah, 5/25/2009 6:51:58 AM (No. 5545672) off lucianne.com

I thought the whole point in electing the brilliant, charismatic Obama, and in fact HIS point, is that he could reach out and touch other nations and come to peaceful, reasonable agreements.
So far Old Europe will not only not take our Gitmo prisoners but they won’t spend the way the Won wants them to, there have been more missile tests in N. Korea and more insolent behavior from Iran than George Bush ever received and he has spent us so broke and in debt so China is no longer taking our calls and our kids will suffer—and has plans for more.

He has done and become what those of us who feared his election thought he would become:
an arrogant, short on experience Leftist with a checkered Acorn-Ridden, Saul Alinsky taught, Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers courtiere and a great big house thanks to Tony Rezko.
And, oh yes, that important $300,000 per year job wife Michelle held was SO important it has yet to be filled—guess her CONNECTIONS were the important part. How foolish are we as a Nation, and how absolutely vile the Press, who has covered for this man.

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» Silly person Posted by: leafsong1
Jebediah, git on back t' yer fishin' hole!
Posted by: waterflaws on May 26, 2009 5:34 PM   
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You're a Mynah Bird, just mimicing what you've been trained to say.

Support the troops!

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DECLASSIFIED SECRETS: DICK CHENEY, AFGHANISTAN WAR POLL, ETC.
Posted by: Robert61 on May 28, 2009 7:48 PM   
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The past few weeks of listening to Dick Cheney's remarks regarding the danger President Obama is supposedly putting us in disturbs me. As a member of the Association of Former Intelligence Officers (AFIO), I can honestly say that President Obama is on the right track in America's fight against radical Islamists who wish us nothing but extirpation.

Unfortunately, Dick Cheney continues to fall short of "knowing thy enemy," whereas our current president apparently has a better understanding of thier motivation and intent. I believe his dismantling of Gitmo, ending torture, and reshaping America's relations with unfriendly regimes in the Middle east are making the central al Queda organization uneasy.

It's all a matter of perception and ideas, not solely military might. To transform the hearts and minds of Muslims throughout the world, President Obama's new and steady policy will attentuate the captivating draw radical Islam exerts on Muslim youth. We are in a war of ideas in addition to one of military might...neither will succeed alone.

Dick Cheney’s myopic counter to President Obama's avant-garde dialogue on fighting radical Islam troubled me, as I'm sure it did to many retired and currently employed in the U.S. Intelligence Community (IC).

As a member of the Association of Former Intelligence Officers (AFIO), I was privy to hearing Michael Shuerer, former head of the CIA's bin Laden unit, say that it is "mathematically impossible" for us to win the war in Afghanistan. President Obama's strategy in Afghanistan seems to be a well-thought out one. But, will it succeed? Please visit the right-hand margin of this DECLASSIFIED SECRETS site at www.declassifiedsecrets.blogspot.com/ and scroll down to "POLL: OBAMA'S NEW TRILATERAL STRATEGY FOR AFGHANISTAN & PAKISTAN. SELECT WHICH FACTORS YOU AGREE WITH."

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