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Naomi Klein: The Shock Doctrine Got Shot Down in Canada

By Kim Elliott, rabble.ca. Posted December 8, 2008.


Canada's Bush-imitating prime minister gets a political smackdown for trying to ram through radical policies.
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Kim Elliott: As you outline so well in your book and in various interviews in the U.S. media, the current financial crisis holds the possibility of being one of those moments when the shock doctrine can best be applied. Can you comment on both the Harper government's economic and fiscal statement introduced last week, and on the Opposition's response to that -- that is, the formation of a coalition -- in the context of the shock doctrine?

Naomi Klein: Yes, absolutely. What I think we are seeing is a clear example of the shock doctrine in the way the Harper government has used the economic crisis to push through a much more radical agenda than they won a mandate to do.

At the same time we are seeing an example of what I call in the book a "shock resistance," where this tactic has been so overused around the world and also in Canada that we are becoming more resistant to the tactic -- we are on to them -- and Harper is not getting away with it.

What I think is really amazing about this moment is whatever happens next -- whether we end up with this coalition or not, we will have an extremely chastened Harper. So the attempted shock doctrine has failed. I think we can say that decisively.

Just to be clear, what I mean by the shock doctrine, as you know, is the use of crisis to push through unpopular pro-corporate policies. This bundling of a whole package of policies: denying the right of public sector workers to strike, the attack on public financing of political parties, with the economic program -- that is what failed, and people were offended by the opportunism of it.

This is what so many of us were worried about during the election -- the context of a Tory victory in an economic crisis, because we know that there is this pattern of using an economic crisis to push through policies that were nowhere during the campaign.

KE: This coalition gives us lots of opportunities, but it also poses some risks if it is successful. I'd like to ask you about that. In an interview you had on Democracy Now!, you said that part of the reason that Obama was appointing a host of neo-liberal economists was because there was a lack of "intellectual honesty" among progressives about the real legacy of the Clinton years. Does the Canadian left, in a Liberal-led coalition, risk losing our understanding of the neo-liberal legacy of the Liberals, who during those same Clinton years were ripping up Canada's welfare state, cutting social spending etc?

NK: I think it is really important to remember, and I've written about this in the book, and Linda McQuaig has written about it extensively, that it is the Liberals who actually implemented what I'm describing in Canada.

They were elected on an economic stimulus platform in 1993, with a huge mandate. The Tories were wiped out in those historic elections. And then they caved to pressure from Bay Street, from the corporate media and from the right-wing think tanks in the face of the debt crisis. They turned around and broke their election promises when it came to NAFTA, when it came to job creation, and the famous 1995 Paul Martin budget came down which did so much damage to unemployment insurances (which makes it particularly interesting that a key piece of the agreement for the coalition is about strengthening unemployment insurance). So we need to have long memories about the Liberals, because they have done exactly what Harper has just done, in terms of using an economic crisis for a neo-liberal about turn.

That said, what I find most exciting about what is going on right now -- beyond just getting rid of Harper, which is exciting in and of itself -- is that we have this opportunity to show what proportional representation (PR) would look like, because all of this talk that this is a coup is a joke.

What is being proposed by this coalition is much closer to representative democracy than what we have right now, which is a government that has [slightly more than] 35 per cent of the popular vote in a turnout that was historically low, of 59 per cent of Canadian voters, which means that even though the Tories won more seats they had fewer actual votes than in the last election.


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The Shock Doctrine a horor novel
Posted by: ROCCO on Dec 8, 2008 1:25 AM   
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I am a constant reader of Stephen King and love the horror novels to escape the human monsters, but The Shock Doctrine and the Long Emergency are 2 of the most intense horror novels to date. I could not sleep, because once again it proves that we must not fear the monsters in the closet, we must fear the monster of greed.

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Liberal waterboy John Manley nixes co-alition
Posted by: Petrus on Dec 8, 2008 4:29 AM   
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The coalition will die this week, as Bay Street's water boy to the Liberal party, John Manley, pronounces it must be so.

But the die has been cast. The cooperation between the Social Democrats of English Canada, the NDP, and the Social Democrats of Quebec, the Bloc Quebecois, is a historic breakthrough. Taken together, the two parties hold 86 seats in the Commons, which is 86 more than Social Democrats hold in the US Congress. That might not be enough for political power, but it is enough to exercise some serious political clout, and to stymie the real Conservatives and the other Conservatives, the Liberal Party.

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The current suspension of the Canadian Parliament gives the Impression that Democracy still exists
Posted by: opmoc on Dec 8, 2008 4:37 AM   
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in Canada - which is somewhat ironic.

Not surprisingly this news has hardly registered in the UK, and I only discovered it from a most obscure blog.

In the UK - all the main political parties agree about almost everything - and it doesn't really matter what they say - because most laws are now made by an unelected European Bureaucratic Dictatorship based in Brussels or Luxembourg or somewhere else. Incidentally to demonstrate how irrelevant National Government is considered - Belgium haven't actually bothered having one for most of the past couple of years. Virtually no one noticed any difference.

When exactly are Canada, the US and Mexico going to be deleted? Apparently Bush has already agreed it - and you are soon to be called the North American Union. Your new unit of currency is called the Amero.

Has anyone asked the Canadian politicans who have just locked themselves outside of their own Parliament what they think - or is this just a part of the process of the New World Order in its drive to World Government?

Who's the main man by the way?

Surely not this bloke?


Canada halts parliament amid row


Canada and Bush's North American Union Project

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Using 'Shock Doctrine 'To right some Long standing Wrongs
Posted by: Purple Girl on Dec 8, 2008 6:01 AM   
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Since 'So goes the USA,so goes the World' seems to be relevant considering the cascade effect of this Global Economic Meltdown..I suggest we use it to set something straight for Humanity.
Pull All 'Life Sustaining' Resources OFF the Stock Markets, esp Food and Energy.
These Two are Essential to human life..High energy cost = High food costs. High Costs not only reduces the amount produced by also the amount consumed (circular negative feed back for producers and consumers- Not to mention the Humanitarian aspects- Famine and short & Long Term disease related to poor nutrition).
These Two Items are 'Gifts' given to US by God or nature to aid Us in our respsonsilbity as the Stewards of the planet and to Our Fellow 'Co Workers'. Take Corn, Beef ,Swine etc; take Crude Oil (and all other 'Free' resources off the markets and set Fair consistent pricing (adjust as need fro inflastion) so boththe Corps and their workers are capable of making money from 'retrival'.any other processing- ie making into Corn chips or heating oil, be available for Gambling..Will this company make more money selling it's corn chips or will that. But the Basic Ingredients are not Gambled, NOR SPECULATED On. Speculation is a Built in mechanism to use to Drive Up Prices- and when they 'Win' Humanity Loses, and when they 'lose' Humanity (YOU) Lose.
I am not agaisnt the Free Market but if dog shit becomes the next big energy source, How much should I charge to Poopy Scoop? In fact I should get a better rate since I must pay to feed her, Oil corps Replensih Nothing. and Poopy scooping cleans the enviroment, not destroys it.anther 'Value added'bonus, I should get Huge Tax Deductions for being Environmentally conscience.
My Point, first Oil (energy) Corps take free resources from all Of Humanity, past,preent and Future..do a little production and transport and they are able to hold the entire planet Hostage, by limiting the amount of energy 'available' and increasing the cost which intern reduces food production and increases Famine.
We will never be 'energy Independent' until we Claim natural Resources the property of all Humanity. Charge for production, but not for the 'Poop' of an otherwise FREE Gift. At this Point they are Stealing Resource and Pilfering the village.
If Alternative Fuels take over Oil, it will be nothing more than sludge (Poop).But if that source is Wind, solar or electric and the cost is able to be manipulated too, we are no better off.
It's time Corporations be put in their place. THEY Work for Us, They are mere tools to assist Us in managing this Planet and it' sinhabitants, Not the other way around. What profits and benefits they get are related to the services the provide for Humanity to perpetuate the Stewardship. Whether you believe in God or Not, We are the only species who can effect the planet. We need to not only take back our Repsonisblities to it, but also Our Rights to it.

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If they are on to it in Canada
Posted by: QuestionAuthority on Dec 8, 2008 6:17 AM   
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If they are on to it in Canada, it's because of Ms. Klein and other journalists that have taken the battle to the neo-libs and neo-cons. I wish her influence had been greater in the US - We would hav ebeen spared so much grief.

Thank you, Ms. Klein!

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Stephen Harper
Posted by: RickW on Dec 8, 2008 7:46 AM   
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"we will have an extremely chastened Harper"
I don't think that is possible. The man will simply change tactics.

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» RE: Stephen Harper Posted by: Gisele
» RE: Stephen Harper Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Stephen Harper Posted by: suprmark
Too Bad Canadians Support Harper
Posted by: smalldave on Dec 8, 2008 9:18 AM   
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Unfortunately, Naomi, a majority of Canadians appear to be supporting Harper and the Conservatives. They will only realize the error of their ways when they lose their national health care system and their high paying jobs and are forced to live like the majority of Americans. I am an American living in Canada. I'm constantly shocked that Canadians know so little about the free market hell that the United States has become. Pray that they wake up soon. Where else can educated Americans go to live?

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» RE: Too Bad Canadians Support Harper Posted by: thereginamom
Canadian politics
Posted by: Archie1954 on Dec 8, 2008 9:30 AM   
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Handled correctly this whole brouhaha could be a win win situation. I never trusted Mr. Harper fully so that in the last election I voted Liberal not because I wanted the Liberals to form the government, I didn't, but because I wanted the Conservatives to maintain a minority government. If we go to a new election I will probably vote Conservative. Minority governments have been good for Canada and force all parties to work together to get business done. Letting Harper have full rein would be dangerous. He is too much like the outgoing reprobate in the US to have unlimited power. Let's keep the same government we have and let's work together shall we to make it function.

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» RE: Canadian politics Posted by: babs
Shock Doctrine again?
Posted by: daniel1982 on Dec 8, 2008 9:50 AM   
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Naomi Klien exemplifies perfectly the old adage (quote?) "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.". Jesus Christ, the parliamentary manoeuvrings of the parties in Canada have very little to do with any particular ideology, but rather politicians grabbing or clinging to power. But of course, Naomi Klien, thinking herself very clever for coming up with a catchy phrase, now tries to fit it to *everything*.

And where is the Socialist version of the 'Shock Doctrine'? I mean, is it not the case that whenever there is misery, socialists and communists swoop in to further their ideological agenda? Is that not how Karl Marx saw the advancement of communism?

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» oopse Posted by: daniel1982
» "I'm not a Marxist." -- Karl Marx Posted by: GuitarBill
» RE: Shock Doctrine again? Posted by: End The Echo
NDP and PR
Posted by: suprmark on Dec 8, 2008 10:06 AM   
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So outraged over the political opportunism Harper has shown Ms Klein suggests that the NDP also ignore the financial crisis and use the shock that the Conservatives did not plan to stimulate the economy in order to form a government - but then focus on its pet projects!

I'm glad this article got here so late. It really is disappointing to find out an important political voice was not excited that three parties decided to work together for the good of Canadians - just excited about how her party could use its advantage to push through a controversial change to government.

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» RE: NDP and PR Posted by: fork
Wake up Ms. Klein
Posted by: Gisele on Dec 8, 2008 10:42 AM   
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Your political bias is front and center - but before you espouse the ideals of the wondermuss Layton, would you please tell me why he met and agreed with NAU/SPP policies in secret...when he supposedly opposed them publicly?

As much as I dislike Layton's ways (firing an MP for voting as her constituents asked her to, rather than as he told her to for a start)..I dislike Harper even more. But facts are facts - neither one of them is there to serve the people. They're there to serve their masters, and thereby serve themselves.

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» RE: Wake up Ms. Klein Posted by: babs
Nice to see it spreading
Posted by: willymack on Dec 8, 2008 12:21 PM   
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We rejected More of the Same when we elected Obama. Maybe we can more easily discard NAFTA, now.

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a different shock, the housing bubble
Posted by: Lauren on Dec 8, 2008 12:22 PM   
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Question for Economic Experts: Can You Say "Housing Bubble"?
Monday 08 December 2008
by: Dean Baker, t r u t h o u t | Perspective

Before Paulson is allowed to carry through with his scheme to use public money in an attempt to reinflate the housing bubble, he should be forced to publicly explain how he thinks this policy will work. There are clearly people who will be badly harmed by temporarily reinflating the bubble. Unless Paulson can explain how the benefits will outweigh this harm, he should not be allowed to pursue his blanket policy of providing 4.5 percent mortgages everywhere.

As it is, Paulson and other people in policy positions have not even acknowledged that we have a housing bubble that is in the process of deflating. Paulson could not possibly be so incompetent that he still doesn't see the housing bubble, but for some reason he can't bring himself to talk about it.

If Paulson cannot bring himself to talk about the housing bubble in a serious way, then he does not deserve to be taken seriously in discussions of economic policy. The same is true of any other person in either the Bush or Obama administration. In this period of crisis, we can't afford to waste any more time with policymakers so clueless that they can't see an $8 trillion housing bubble.


I think he has a terrific point. How can a person in denial of the problem find a workable solution? I don't think they can. I also don't think they are even trying, they are just shoveling money at their 'friends' hoping that works.

It is the Bush example: every time things get tight, pay somebody off. It is his pattern, his prose and his political philosophy.

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Mr.
Posted by: robigreg on Dec 8, 2008 4:56 PM   
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I'm on a campaign to restore the original meaning of "radical." Neither the shock doctrine, nor anything else likely to come from the right wingers, are worthy of the description. That meaning lies in the concept of eradication; of getting at the roots of a problem. People who use it to refer to something extreme, wild, crazy, or what have you, are, in effect, making the meaning of eradication unavailable when we are aiming to institute reform that is something more than piecemeal, band-aid or incremental.

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» RE: Mr. Posted by: crazy carlos
Good cop, bad cop.
Posted by: doubter on Dec 8, 2008 10:14 PM   
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The hell of it is that while the tories are nasty neocons, the grits (liberals) can't be trusted. They were against Free Trade until they were for it. As Ms. Klein mentioned, the grits savagely attacked social and health care spending in order to make themselves look good by balancing the federal budget. This forced provincial and municipal governments to cut spending, raise taxes, or both. Sometimes I think that the tories and grits and just two branches of the same party who are running a scam on the public. The grits have a habit of adopting just enough socialism to marginalize the real socialists in the NDP. In addition, the grits have more than their fair share of scandals and corruption. Google adscam.

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Harper screwed the Progressive Left GOOD...
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Dec 9, 2008 9:08 AM   
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but the Progressive Left wouldn't know how to play the game if they landed on their snouts in it.

1. They apparently have no idea how the government functions, because they walked RIGHT INTO getting trumped with the GG.

2. The GG performs a valuable function: she provides a 'cooling off period' for stupidity. Unfortunately, the Coalition didn't even clue to her clearly predictable actions. THEN they stupidly put themselves into TWO moronic positions:
- being the asses who are on the wrong side of the economic stimulus delay in the New Year.
- being the asses who are suddenly SUPPORTING Harper's sloppiest wetdream: gutting Canadian traditional solutions to social equity challenges. Every society & nation has fought for the positions of rules & controls that provide a framework for justice & power equity. Harper LOVES the idea of removing those traditional controls. He's gutting the Senate, wants to remove the GG... & now because the Coalition didn't get what they wanted (because they couldn't do their homework) their supporters will start whinging that they want to 'Republic' the beautiful system which has been evolving in our Dutch/UK/French-originating culture since HABEAS CORPUS...

I'm a *huge* supporter of playing The Game within the Rules. NeoCons are always about 'changing the Rules to get the advantage'. Harper *hates* the current Canadian system (remember what he said in Australia? "you have a better system than we do" Gee, thanks Harper, that's what we pay you for... to disparage our system & change everything into a Republic... yeah, that's it... we hired a man who hates everything about Canada except Alberta & what he can sell off to foreign agencies)

3. The NDP were the REASON that Harper was elected in the first place. I love the NDP, but Layton was less interested in getting a legal ruling for the (relatively chump change) corruption charges of the Liberal scandal before grandstanding... no, he had to bring down the gov't for the Conservatives... Layton is more interested in himself & his party than he is about fixing what ails the nation. He damned well knew that removing the Liberals would put the freaky CONservatives into power.


I WANT BOB RAE for Prime Minister: now there is a man who got screwed by his own selfish supporters & is still willing to give & give & give... & he's got the maturity, skills & cojones to do the job right.



Spread Love, not corporate dependence...

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And yet, and yet ....
Posted by: Pilcher25 on Dec 9, 2008 12:22 PM   
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The polls here in Canada indicate a preference for Harper's Conservatives over the coalition, so tend to agree strongly that many Canadians have been 'shock doctrined' to take the easy way out. In other words, don't bother to consider the long term effects of a majority Con. govt., just give them a mandate to carry on while the thoughtless and lazy millions carry on with their little lives. After all, it seems it was easy to persuade Canadians that an illegal 'coup' was about to occur when in fact the coalition represents the MAJORITY of the people and is perfectly legal and proper as a no-confidence measure.
Got to get rid of this first-past-the-post voting system; may mean permanent minority governments but that is a good thing.

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LET THE LIES BEGIN
Posted by: reelman on Dec 9, 2008 12:36 PM   
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Dec 9, 2:28pm CST:
Hannity just played a clip where Axelrod on TV said Obama "was in contact with the Governor" (topic was new senator appt)...then he played today's Obama
clip where Obama said, "I have not been in contact with the Governor". This, of course, will not be a major area of investigation by the network (diaper-changing)
news folks.

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from failing hands we pass the torch ....
Posted by: adamskiinasia on Dec 10, 2008 6:10 AM   
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Naomi Klein is, in my estimate with no overstatement, one of the few people who could take the mantle of Noam Chomsky.

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Who needs Rove?
Posted by: doubter on Dec 10, 2008 11:41 AM   
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I take issue with the term "Bush-imitating" in the subtitle. Canadian politicians have never needed lessons in sleaze from foreigners. My earliest political memories are of the 1974 election, where Trudeau campaigned against wage and price controls, then imposed them after winning the election. Imagine how his opponent felt.

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Maybe Harper is as dumb as Cheney ever was?
Posted by: bifheart on Dec 11, 2008 6:46 AM   
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First order of business as a minority government, the Conservatives offer to (1) delay action re the worst ever economic crisis, (2) prevent women from advancing towards pay equity, (3) deprive public service employees of the right to strike, and (4) financially cripple their political opponents (who are the Parliamentary majority). I find it very difficult to imagine how the Honourable Members of the Loyal Opposition could possibly pretend they still have confidence in this government. I really doubt that any of Harper's strategists could imagine a reaction appreciably different from the one they got. ~ So, the Harper Gang did something surprising, something quite unexpected, and their opponents, clearly shocked by the offensiveness of it, reacted predictably...

Naomi Klein writes, "What everyone agrees with is that he made a massive error..." Well, I'm not so sure - and indeed, I'm astonished that she is so sure. I keep remembering how people howled about what blunders the Bushies were making, even as they piled up wealth and power for themselves - and it went on and on like that!

I suspect the Conservatives have set a trap for all their opponents, whom they intend to grind into the dust - while their opponents remain pathetically preoccupied with naive, old-fashioned, romantic notions, such as, oh, governing the country! Very sad!

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Canadian Politics, like watching moss
Posted by: DaBear on Dec 11, 2008 11:33 AM   
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It's fascinating but it still doesn't make any sense.

What is troubling to me is that wherever there appears to be a nation-state and an owning class, there's a conservative gubamint. Hmmm.... Correlation? Causation?

Okay, back to moss....

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polito
Posted by: tonygleb on Dec 11, 2008 1:15 PM   
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Dear mrs Naomi Klein, you wrote about something you don't really know or you suppose it happens. if Bush had Harper's knowledges he would have the controle of the World politic. Maybe, you should come and live in canada, to see what happen to the liberal people you are supporting...Wrong democrats, selfishes, arrogant, haven't any respect for the voters decision...Coallition means+ anti-democratic power , like Zimbabwe, haiti...try to write the right things!

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» RE: polito Posted by: TERRIROBSON
» Have you... Posted by: bobtr900
harper detested by most of us Canadians
Posted by: TERRIROBSON on Dec 14, 2008 9:54 AM   
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Whatever the mainstream media is saying about the vast majority of Canadians supporting steve are NOT TRUE. A great deal of Canadians no matter what political stripe would have liked to see a coalition,in actual fact what many Canadians think our Parliament already is supposed to be, elected politicians setting policies and regulations that are inherently good for Canada and it's citizens TOGETHER. The sorry state of our election day voter turnout is the reason steve got in,in Canada we do not see ANY DIFFERENCE between Conservatives(of this particular brand) and Liberals, we see both as selling out this Great Country of Canada, and just as our brothers/sisters/cousins of the United States we are being shafted into a NorthAmerican Union as the only way for us to become truly global economically. Once Canada & United States citizens income level are closer to the Mexican citizen is when those that be will enact the Amero

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And yet......
Posted by: talkville on Dec 20, 2008 12:33 AM   
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"Those with Power do as they can; those without Power do as they must."

With the near-nihilistic, ever worsening conditions in a domestic economy (tied to a world-economy) already 'on the Ground' here in the USA (and I'm sure as well in Canada and other places), which would be Obama's real position of Power to begin with, and how much real time would it take to correct the damage done?

And I think those with the real Power are already safely out of reach in the Past and those he will confront are already well protected behind the plethora of legislations and laws and regulations which were embedded into Federal, State, County, and Local law-books over the last 40 years.

In real terms, anyone over the age of 50 or so is already written off and on their own in whatever position they may find themselves individually at present. We'll have to make do with whatever we can salvage for ourselves.

The youth being raised up will make it fine, yet will grow up in an increasingly less democratic and modern and more feudal and 'post-modern' authoritarian and technocratic or theocratic social forms. The Bourgeois Individual is already in fission and developing ever more Diverse and Multi-cultural forms (slyly, however, still ever so capitalist, except on the axis of Finance and Ethical Bondage-- Credit-Debt-- rather than Production/Consumption. Commodity will be Commodified. Even today, Wal-Mart is "selling" Christmas itself! as I saw on an ad recently: "Christmas is cheaper at Wal-Mart" was the slogan. Think about it! I think I'll get me 2 or 3 of them and save them for 2010 or so for a jim-dandy holiday!!

So I think that despite the immense inertia Obama has going forward, he still will have to do "as he must" not so much "as he can".

Perhaps a few select and generally egregious policies and punishments on the working classes might be reversed and corrected.

And that existing Power that has "done what it can" since day one, will remain barely scathed and continue its ways, maybe a little more out of the lime-light and attention of the ever increasing numbers of the "unwashed masses".

The Disaster has occurred already; the synchronic and diachronic transfer of wealth is occurring on plan for the Ruling Class (check out the interesting tangle of meanings, sense and sensibilities of the word Tradition; especially in its relations to the word Treason!-- as a Verb, not a Noun; as a process not a system).

After this great cohort of us baby boomers has faded off the world-stage -- gone 'ob-scene' so-to-speak -- and stops pestering them, this same Ruling Class will have raised up a whole new generation of well-ordered, well-behaved, obedient and mannered hierarchy and new forms of being rich as well as new forms of being destitute. Everything will have changed; and nothing will have changed.

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Canada shocked by NDP anti-war switch
Posted by: johnny canuck on Dec 23, 2008 11:04 PM   
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The coalition designed to unseat the Conservatives, has seen the New Democratic Party switch from an anti to a PRO WAR position. This is the SHOCK DOCTRINE which nobody expected:
http://www.canadaeast.com/news/article/500862

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