McQueary Testifies in Penn State Sex Abuse Hearing: 'I Thought I Was Talking to the Head of Police'
Penn State assistant football coach Mike McQueary testified Friday that he is sure he saw former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky molesting a 10-year-old boy in 2002, but is not positive whether it was sexual intercourse. He is, however, sure that he relayed the atrocity he witnessed to two administrators accused of lying to a grand jury about McQueary's disclosure. The hearing today is important, as it delves into the lack of accountability that allegedly allowed Sandusky to use his position of power to sexually assault 10 boys over the course of 15 years.
McQueary testified that he entered the locker room at around at around 9pm, at which point he saw Sandusky standing behind a young boy, with his arm's around his waist. This boy's hands were against the wall he was facing, McQueary said.
McQueary said "I believe he was sexually molesting the boy," but added said, "I did not see insertion nor was there any protest, screaming or yelling."
Still, he says, "I heard rhythmic slapping sounds, two or three slaps that sounded like skin on skin."
McQueary said he was silent, but "I know they saw me. They looked directly in my eye, both of them."
Sandusky's position with the boy was "sexually oriented," he said, but could not determine with "100 percent certainty it was forced."
McQueary was testifying at a court hearing determining whether there was sufficient evidence against the former Penn State athletic director Tim Curley and finance official Gary Schultz, accused of lying to a grand jury about McQueary's alleged disclosures, to take the case to court.
According to NBC:
McQueary then testified that he called Paterno early the following morning and told him he needed to speak with him about something.
"I don't have a job for you if that's what it's about," McQueary quoted Paterno as saying. When McQueary then told him it was about something much more serious, NBC reported from the courtroom, Paterno had him come over to speak with him in person.
He said he did not give Paterno explicit details of what he believed he'd seen, saying he wouldn't have used terms like sodomy or anal intercourse out of respect for the longtime coach.
Paterno told him, "I'm sorry you had to see that" and that he had "done the absolute right thing," McQueary said. The head coach appeared shocked and saddened and slumped back in his chair, McQueary said.
Paterno told McQueary he would talk to others about what he'd reported.
Nine or 10 days later, McQueary said he met with Curley and Shultz and told them he'd seen Sandusky and a boy, both naked, in the shower after hearing skin-on-skin slapping sounds.
"I told them that I saw Jerry in the showers with a young boy and that what I had seen was extremely sexual and over the lines and it was wrong," McQueary said. "I would have described that it was extremely sexual and I thought that some kind of intercourse was going on."
McQueary said he was under the impression that both understood the gravity of what he had seen. He said he did not go to the police because Schultz was vice president at the university and oversaw the campus police.
"I thought I was talking to the head of the police, to be frank with you," he said. "In my mind it was like speaking to a (district attorney). It was someone who police reported to and would know what to do with it."
Carry and Schultz are charged with lying to a grand jury and failing to report what McQueary says he told them. They testified that McQueary never relayed the seriousness of what he saw in the locker room, and that they told the school's president, Graham Spanier, before advising Sandusky not to bring children on campus