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Monopoly Capitalism Is the Root of All of America's Problems
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Something is rotten in the state of American capitalism, and if you agree with Barry C. Lynn, almost all stinky paths lead to the monopolization of our economy. The rise of behemoths like Wal-Mart and Viacom are not only lowering the quality and safety of the products you use, but also undermining our so-called democracy.
I had a chance to speak to Lynn about just how bad things are -- and what we might be able to do about it. Lynn's new book, Cornered: The New Monopoly Capitalism and the Economics of Destruction, from Wiley Press, will be out in January.
Q: In the book you say we have no choice but to reverse the process of monopolization in our economy. How can we practically achieve that, at this stage of the game?
Barry C. Lynn: We can achieve it and there’s proof we can because we’ve done it in the past. In the late 19th century there was a really incredible process of monopolization. In the Guilded Age, you ended up with really tight concentration of control over finance in Wall Street. Think of Standard Oil, of U.S. Steel. There was some effort to break up those companies in the early 20th century but the real change took place after what people call the Second New Deal. The Roosevelt administration ended up breaking up a number of companies. What they did most successfully is stop the growth of massive companies and created space for new companies to grow.
In the middle of 20th century century, again there was a case in which we actually undid many of the powers and protected the entrepreneur. It was policy that at least three or four companies had to be competing with each other in each industry -- and preferably eight or ten. There’s the Alcoa case, for example. They had a 100 percent monopoly through the end of World War II. After the war, the government created opportunities for new companies and forced Alcoa to share its technology with new companies.
We have a lot of experience with this, we’ve done it on a whole-scale in the past, and doing so would be creating a lot of interest in these companies. There are lot of managers in Wal-Mart, for example, who won’t rise up in the ranks in such a large system, but if there’s 30 smaller Wal-Marts, lots of individuals can reach their full potential. Companies aren’t monolothic in nature. They’re made of people, and lots of these people have an interest in breaking them up.
Q: What about shareholders’ and board members’ interests? They surely wield more power and sway over these kinds of decisions than associates at a huge company like Wal-Mart.
BL: Right. Well, Alan Greenspan was one of the engineers of the roll-up of modern monopolization over the past 30 years. As a student, he studied the Standard Oil case, in which there was this argument that pretty much went: “Let’s not break up Standard Oil because it’s so much more efficient than the little pieces if they were separated.” The Supreme Court at the time said that didn’t matter, because we must have competition and broke Standard Oil up anyway.
Greenspan went on to use the flawed argument that big things are more efficient to aid in overturning antitrust law in 1981. After the near-collapse of the financial system in 2008, he woke up to see all these too-big-to-fail banks. Greenspan has since been one of the people to say we have to break up the banks. We shouldn’t be afraid of this because, as we found with Standard Oil, after we broke it up, all the constituent pieces were actually worth much more for the investors than what Standard Oil had been valued at when it was a single entity.
Q: So what happens if we don’t reverse the monopolization of our economy?
BL: There’s two main types of problems. One is that antimonopoly law is a political law -- not economic, as you might suspect. You prevent monopolies because you don’t want a concentration of economic power that gives beneficiaries political power. So monopolies are a huge political problem.
Look at things now. We essentially have a merger of Goldman Sachs and the Treasury Department. So we don’t actually know who’s running the Treasury. We have a political crisis, in which we’ve had a coup by the bankers. And the bankers don’t only control banks but also all the large corporations. The way governance has been changed, we give financiers direct control over our largest corporations.
In Europe, when people invest $1 billion in Airbus, they get new machinery, new plants, new skills, and create jobs. When we invest in Boeing, a huge portion of that money goes straight out the backdoor and into the financiers who run the company.
The second [problem] is that our systems become more and more fragile. What we saw on Sept. 15, 2008, after the failure of Lehman Brothers, was how the entire financial system was tied together in such a way that unless a major infusion of money came at once, basically everything was going to go down. If you’re not able to move money around, you can’t move product around -- potentially a lights-out event. It’s pretty amazing that we would run our financial system so poorly, really.
This systemic risk is a result of monopolists preaching efficiency because they want to take cash out of the system. For example, let’s say they have two machines, and sell one. They get money for the machine they sell, and then the one left over will be more expensive to use so they can charge more for its use. They pocket the money from the machine they sell and get more money off the one machine they have left. The problem, though, is they only have one machine left. If something goes wrong, we can have huge systemic failures, especially if, say, the product this machine makes is something like semiconductors or chemicals that go into many products. If all production of these keystone items is in one place, it looks efficient -- financiers and economists will tell you this, and do -- but they have created the potential for catastrophic failure if something happens that takes that one machine or one plant or one foundry out of operation.
If we don’t do anything we have a truly massive political challenge. We can pretend we’re living a democracy, in a republic, but if you look at Obama’s background he was adopted by and promoted by the ruling machine, which was set up at [the Brookings Institution’s] Hamilton Project. Those were the people who vetted this man and who’ve surrounded this man. Though I have huge admiration for him and retain faith in his potential to stand up these people, he is still essentially inside this circle.
The other problem is the longer we wait the greater the chance that we’ll have another event like what happened last year. And the next event could be much worse. We could see truly catastrophic crashes affect our system. We have no choice but to fix the concentration of power. It’s politically unacceptable and it’s unacceptable from an engineering perspective.
Q: The Obama administration has been cautious to aggressively confront too-big-to-fail banks. Do you observe the administration taking actions to address monopolies in other areas of our economy?
BL: Well, recently the FCC brought charges against Intel. That was a pretty easy move because against Intel you’ve already had the Japanese and South Korean government take action, as well as the the EC in Brussels, and even New York State. Even the Bush administration almost did. But now they actually pulled the trigger. And that’s a good thing.
I’m hearing very good things in agriculture. Part of the problem with the Obama administration, which is the same problem with the Clinton adminisration, is that even though you’d think they’d be more aggressive on antitrust issues, they buy into the basic framework of interpreting antitrust law as was put into place by Reagan. Before 1981, law ensured competition for the sake competition -- to protect the market system and to prevent the consolidation of control. Since 1981, they switch it to this consumer welfare test, which was defined basically as price. If the merger will bring a lower price, it’s approved. The Clinton people and now the Obama people -- who are largely the Clinton people -- accept the same framework. The idea to go after something like Wal-Mart in the near term is unlikely. We’re not likely to see a lot of action there because the framework they believe in doesn’t allow them to.
But as I was saying, the Department of Agriculture has not really been indoctrinated by the consumer welfare framework. The concentration of power over such activities as farming pigs or chickens, or growing corn, is so extreme it amounts to debt peonage. So extreme it’s hard to ignore. Some interesting work appears to be on the move there.
Generally though, this administration appears to be willing to accept any merger that will deliver a lower price to the consumer.
Q: You alluded to this, but what is the price of the mad rush for “lowest prices guaranteed?” In other words, what is the price of cheap?
BL: One price of cheap is that you end up with less safe products. If you get to cheap through real competition and an open market system, in which you have a bunch of different independent companies competing to find a better way to do something, and you have regulation that doesn’t allow you to cut quality in order to cut prices, then you’ll end up with both increasing quality and safety and lower cost over time. That was the old system.
What we have now is lower prices delivered by brute power forced downwards onto producers. A company like Wal-Mart exercises authoritiarian power. “Last year,” they tell producers, “we paid you $100 for that grill, this year we’re only going to pay $90 and it’s up to you to figure out what you cut.” So over time that grill is going to be less and less sturdy. The food will become more and more adulterated. T-shirts will become thinner and thinner and made by children somewhere.
The price that we pay for lower cost is less safe, cheaper quality products that end up wearing out sooner -- at best. At worst, even death. You saw the concentration in the spinach or peanut industries where people died.
The thing with [such power] being concentrated is you can give the monopoly a fine but you can’t shut them down because then you don’t have spinach anymore. The only way you can really have safety and higher quality is true competition.
Q: Could you address how monopolization plays into health care politics and the chances for reform?
BL: Congress seems to have unfortunately gone through this whole process without really focusing on the fact that they’re engineering competition. They have just bought this Wal-Mart idea that you concentrate power so you can manipulate the doctors, the nurses, and the aides top-down. They’re so fixated on lowering the price and extending protections as swiftly as possible that they have essentially rejected the public option. They’ve gone for something even worse which is private directorship of the system.
What we’re moving to is a government option of sorts -- but it’s a private government option. People have a really hard time understanding that a corporation is an institution we have licensed to govern a particularly economic activity. You create these institutions so you can govern a particular industry. In this sense, Wal-Mart is a goverment that is approaching the magnitude of the Soviet state in that it wields top-down authority. It tells every employee at each company under its sway what to do. That includes every company that delivers food, consumer products, media products. Wal-Mart is the Soviet system growing up right in the middle of the American system. It is top-down, authoritarian, non-democratic. It leads to the stripping out of all the systems, and it’s rationalization without thought, purpose, or understanding.
Q: Wal-Mart is aware of its historically bad name in the liberal sphere. It seems like they're trying to change that, aren't they?
BL: Oh, Wal-Mart has done an incredible job of buying off really well-intentioned people by advertising their power. For example, they’ve bought off enviros [by saying], “We’re going to green the world together.” What do they actually do? Let me give an example.
Wal-Mart decreed compact fluorescent bulbs in every home in the U.S. They decreed to all lightbulb makers, “This is how many you’re going to make, at which price, and by this date.” Their decree was simply too much for these manufacturers so they shipped lots and lots of junk. The practical effect is Americans who’ve never seen these kinds of bulbs is they used them for the first time, but they were junk and died out after a few months. So now people don’t want to use them anymore. This created the exact opposite effect of what [Wal-Mart] was selling to the enviros.
Now it’s true that if you get Wal-Mart to get Procter & Gamble to use smaller cardboard boxes [for their products], that’s good for our environment but we have a better way to do this. We can use our local and federal governments. When you create a law it’s law, with Wal-Mart it’s just Wal-Mart’s whim. They can change their mind any time and they don’t even need to tell anyone if they start sourcing unsustainable fish or lightbulbs from China -- it just happens. Their only purpose is to make cash and they’re very honest about that. Managers of corporations are legally obliged to lie if it helps their shareholders. So they’ll tell enviromentalists anything they want to hear.
Q: You argue that free-market fundamentalists paved the way for the monopolization of the U.S. economy, and as a result, the current economic recession. Does the recession mark the end of such fundamentalism or are they reframing?
BL: This recession hasn’t ended this fundamentalism. What’s behind it is private governance of the political economy and eventually the politically system. That’s what free-market fundamentalism aims at. As a belief system, it was put out to trick people to allow this [bankers’] coup to take place, this privatization of governance and control. Among the elites especially, there are all of these beliefs in these different mechanistic forces people see out there. Some think of the free-market as a mechanical apparatus that yields certain outcomes and we can’t do much about what the market decides. Others see globalization as a natural force that leads us to an interconnected world where we will be increasingly tied to China or India.
None of these forces actually exist. What you actually see are people using human-created institutions to manipulate others. We need wake up to the fact that Tom Friedman’s view of globalization is a lie, that Milton Friedman’s vision of the free-market as a mechanical apparatus is a lie, that Robert Reich saying that technology will lead us to a land of milk and honey is a lie. They really patronize the little folks, it’s just disgusting.
The first step to emancipating ourselves is to emancipate ourselves from those metaphysical lies -- these ideas that outside forces are controlling us. Haven’t seen much of a move in that direction in our country, unfortunately.
The indoctrination is that we live in a market economy that determines globalization and everything else. I don’t know why this generation of Americans was more gullible. I can’t understand that. But it’s just a fact and we need to wake up.
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Posted by: GuitarBill on Dec 31, 2009 12:50 AM
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Intellectual dishonesty is pure poison to academia, business, economic analysis and law.
For example, the decision handed down by the "Supreme" Court in Bush v. Gore is pure intellectual dishonesty.
The logic-defying rational for more tax cuts, which were advocated by Ronald Reagan and his ideological stepchild, George Walker Bushit, is a textbook example of non-reasoning reinforced by intellectual dishonesty.
Why is intellectual dishonesty so prevalent in American society?
The answer is quite simple: We, the American people, have given up the search for truth, in exchange for victory at all costs.
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» RE: "..Monopoly Capitalism Is the Root of All of America's Problems." Sorry, but I must disagree.
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» RE: "..Monopoly Capitalism Is the Root of All of America's Problems." Sorry, but I must disagree.
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» RE: "..Monopoly Capitalism Is the Root of All of America's Problems." Sorry, but I must disagree.
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» Respectfully, Intellectual Dishonesty Is A Symptom Of Money Capitalism
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» Respectfully, Intellectual Dishonesty Is A Symptom Of Money (Oops Monopoly) Capitalism...Con't.
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Posted by: kedikat on Dec 31, 2009 1:39 AM
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Monopoly capitalism turns into the worst aspects of USSR type planned economy. You work at the company, it built your house and lent you the mortgage, you buy your stuff at the company mall. And as the song goes, you owe your soul to the company store.
Your choices in products and life are what the company offers. At some point the concept of best price and product for the consumer is only what the company says it is.
You truly become just a piece of the machine. There is no other machine to even choose to become a part in. What is good for the company is good for you. there is nothing else.
This is the reality we are heading for. With every merger, every giant shareholding hedge fund, every global free trade agreement.
An all inclusive, worldwide, shade of gray life.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Dec 31, 2009 2:24 AM
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And to prop up our hollowed out economy, banksterism to generate profits out of thin air ... Only possible because of our reserve currency status and the privately owned and operated Federal Reserve System that masks the bankster monopoly of currency and credit creation ...
Then every major special interest group gets their slice of the carcass that was the American economy ... whether it be special tax treatment, regulation set asides, over zealous patent protection, professional group monopolies or direct subsidies ...
It goes way past just Monopoly Capitalism. The whole system has been gamed and gutted by the Special Interests, the Oligarchs, the US Chamber of Commerce, the Banksters and our beloved White House and Congress.
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» What worries me is the 100,000,000 + greedy self righteous pricks that call themselves Americans!
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Dec 31, 2009 3:26 AM
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In the first century of our existence, anyone proposing to start a corporation was required to show how that corporation would support the common good.
OMYGOD, the Founding Fathers were crazed regulators!
They also knew that the Merchant class have a tendency to game the system in their favor. Jefferson warned:
"Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country."
Since those times, the Merchant class have succeeded in gaming the U.S. system heavily in their favor, and that's why we're in the soup today.
The Reagan Revolution was the apotheosis of the belief that Merchants are the super-race. Thirty years of letting them call all the shots suggest--as Karl Marx warned--the free enterprise system is inherently self-destructive.
Far from being the perfect system, capitalism can't last five minutes without government support, and it has a massively destructive effect on everything it touches. If left to run free, it will pretty much destroy the whole world. Karl Marx was right.
Unfortunately, these facts are known to everyone in the world--except the Obama Administration, who are the last neocons.
Video: Mr. Logan searches vainly through Obama's Brain, looking for a single progressive neuron.
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» Here you go.
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» Corporate charters
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Posted by: s.duplantier on Dec 31, 2009 3:53 AM
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At least since WWII, and well before, the very word "capitalism" was a shibboleth. Yes, it was the economic system imposed on us (there never a plebiscite to adopt it), but just to say the word meant you were thinking about the deep structure of the ways things were (something that would get you into trouble).
The most commonly used euphemism for capitalism—incredibly--was "democracy." The ideological battle of the 20th century was billed as the Cold War mano a mano contest between Communism and Democracy! And, so the story goes, democracy won.
The only problem is that this is what we could call a Grim Fairy Tale.
The real workings of Capitalism and his tag team buddy, Imperialism, were just not up for discussion.
Mr. Lynn is helping to fill in the gaps in our flawed civics textbook mental model of How Things Work.
A final thought: if Wal-Mart is the apotheosis of the monolithic Soviet-style authoritarian system, then the future battles to crush the monster will amount to a new Cold War every bit as traumatic as the late unlamented ideological battle of the 50s through the 80s.
Who knew that the Red-scare propaganda of McCarthy and Hoover and HUAC about the silent enemy cells, spies, and secret agents who had infiltrated America and were preparing to topple our Way of Life and crush us under their boots were not the Communists, but the Capitalists!
The Red Menace was a charade for the Monopoly Capitalists who have done a better job of bringing down the country than the Soviet Commissars ever could have done.
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» "Sobering" BS - it's a Fascist POLICE STATE economy not "capitalism"
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Posted by: rds2301 on Dec 31, 2009 6:43 AM
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By Robert Singer
Maybe it’s the smoke from Mt. Vesuvius that keeps Arianna Huffington and the financial community from seeing that the economic collapse has nothing to do with the Fed "missing" the warning signs leading up to the October meltdown.
“Things do not happen. Things are made to happen.” John F. Kennedy
The Fed didn’t miss anything; the October meltdown was an inside job.
Capitalism never made sense
Professor Ebeling, the Ludwig von Mises professor of Economics at Hillsdale College, understood something was wrong when he wrote: "the perverse development and evolution of historical capitalism, the institutions necessary for a truly free-market economy have been either undermined or prevented from emerging."
But when he claimed, "it is the principles and the meaning of a free-market economy that must be rediscovered" in order to overcome the burden of historical capitalism and save liberty, he should have written that principles must be rediscovered in order to prevent the planet from attempted murder (ecocide).
American "capitalism" and our consumer economy never made economic, environmental or common sense—unless the goal was ecocide.
Capitalism and a not-so-free market economy based on consumer products, that is, products we are manipulated to want, not need, was never sustainable. Consumers consume…the resources of the planet.
Read the rest at The Market Oracle
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Posted by: FoonTheElder on Dec 31, 2009 6:48 AM
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This has been going on for 30 years to the point where most markets are controlled by very few large companies who have destroyed the free market.
http://www.oligopolywatch.com/stories/
2003/04/21/basicPrinciplesOfOligopolies.html
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Posted by: kedikat on Dec 31, 2009 9:16 AM
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Having only two viable companies to choose from neither one has to work very hard for a sizable market share. The products they offer need differ only slightly. The quality is low. Collusion and price fixing. Able to crush small upstart companies to avoid real competition and consumer choice. With free trade and global agreements, they can even offshore any governing work that actually has to be done.
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Posted by: wjfaust on Dec 31, 2009 10:07 AM
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Making that happen would require our elected representatives to truly act on our behalf and lose, in the process, the major source of their campaign funding. Given their willingness to emasculate the health care reform act, in spite of overwhelming public support for real change, it seems to be unimaginable that they would take these steps.
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Posted by: willymack on Dec 31, 2009 10:43 AM
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Oh, I know how it's praised to high heaven for elevating so many of us out of serfdom and poverty and into a brave new world, but you can save that crap for those who'd buy snake oil at a county fair.
The elevation is real enough, but only occurred after a lot of brave union organizers and their followers got their heads bashed in by company goons, and the political leadership actually had some backbone and a CONSCIENCE. Teddy Roosevelt comes to mind.
While it's true that capitalism has no peer in creating wealth, that wealth is not equally shared, and those working class people who made it possible are left out in the cold, again and again, while the top two percent hog almost all the material benefits for themselves.
It isn't that we have no historical example to compare our current situation to, we DO.
History also provides us with a remedy as well.
Problem is there are apparently no Teddy Roosevelts around this time.
I thought we had one in the person of Barack Obama, but so far he looks a lot like a pussycat.
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Posted by: chetdude on Dec 31, 2009 11:20 AM
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Our species was wired by evolution to operate as communitarian tribes and groupings NOT as separate "individualistic" freebooting pirates.
Capitalism is the latest, possibly most egregious process that's counter to our essential wiring.
Trying to "fix capitalism" is a waste of time. We must abolish it and the perverted system of human relationships that demand it and rebuild our relationships to each other and nature to conform to what Nature demands of us.
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Posted by: IndyElliott on Dec 31, 2009 12:51 PM
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News to me. Alcoa is an acronym for Aluminum Company Of America. They are now and always have been in the Aluminum business. Where was US Steel through this period?
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Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy on Dec 31, 2009 4:29 PM
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FREE AMERICA
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Posted by: chlamor on Dec 31, 2009 4:32 PM
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Just more talk from the liberal fetish cult of a kinder-gentler form of capitalism which always exists just around the corner and nowadays ya' gotta have a Prius to get there.
Sorry folks but the bodies are piled a mile high from the real Beast, CAPITALISM, and all the the above imagined "variants" are nothing more than the standard operating principles of this Beast.
You'll have better luck trying to reform sharks into vegans.
Here's some advice from a friend:
"Everything has to be overturned. There aren't any half-measures that are going to accomplish anything. Those are being thrown out there by people so they can avoid the truth and distract others from the truth. There is not going to be any health care reform, global warming is not going to be stopped, jobs are not coming back, wages are not going to improve. There is no way to reform the system, there is no way to make it work, there is no way to fix things.
The degree to which critical commentary on any issue leads people to see that it all must come down, it is constructive and powerful to that degree. The degree to which it leads people to think that we are or could be "doing something" to "solve" that particular problem in isolation, without challenging the entire system, is the degree to which it is destructive and reactionary.
There are not some good things about the system that we need to worry about saving, with some bad things that need to be "regulated" or overcome through "doing something" or making personal changes. The self-censorship (or denial) that so many are indulging in, supposedly in order to persuade people without "offending" them, to avoid "alienating potential friends and allies," and the whole idiotic "winning friends and influencing people" approach must end.
It all has to come down, and there is no reason to hesitate or be cautious in our critical commentary, no reason to entertain the "on the other hand" stuff that people put out there to mitigate our criticism - actually to oppose our critical view in a covert and deceptive way. Attack every aspect of it everyday everywhere with everyone. Capitalism has distorted, corrupted, and perverted all of our social relations and arrangements, everywhere. Nothing is free from its clutch. Nothing positive can exist within it. It all has to come down, it all must be overturned.
All of the "OK I see what you are saying, and agree with you, but what is your plan?" responses are also covert opposition and are reactionary. Here is the plan - it all must come down. Would we tell people to not treat pneumonia until and unless they have a plan for the rest of their lives, or a guarantee that the disease will be eliminated once and for all by their plan and that everything will then be perfect? The society is ill, the disease is Capitalism, and it has spread to all parts and is destroying everything.
"But can't we just keep a few slaves, and ban whipping and shackles?" No. It all must come down."
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Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Dec 31, 2009 5:30 PM
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an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and distribution of goods, characterized by a free competitive market and motivation by profit
Encarta® World English Dictionary ©
(free markets with free market democracy and self-determinism required)
Fascism
any movement, tendency, or ideology that favors dictatorial government, centralized control of private enterprise, repression of all opposition, and extreme nationalism
Encarta® World English Dictionary ©
(free markets with free market democracy and self-determinism absent)
Socialism
a political theory or system in which the means of production and distribution are controlled by the people and operated according to equity and fairness rather than market principles
Encarta® World English Dictionary ©
(socialism has never existed)
Care to guess which system the U.S. and the west is ruled by? “Democracy” and “capitalism” are a sham used by Washington and its MSM corporate squawk box to confuse the already gullible.
“Capitalism” by definition requires competition to exist. Hence, any system or nation run by monopoly CANNOT be said to be “capitalist”. By definition it is FASCIST.
Welcome to Amerika, the Fascist con state.
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» Talking out of both sides of your mouth, asshole?
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» Sorry, jerk, but you're still wrong. Read it and weep, you lying bastard.
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» Quote mining, lair? Here let's consult your source and include the stuff you conveniently omit.
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» Quote mining again, assface?
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» Have you ever heard of the Pledge of Allegiance, twit?
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» From www.house.gov: A Republic, Not a Democracy
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» From WikiAnswers.com:
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» From YouTube: America is a Republic NOT a Democracy.
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» Here's what James Madison had to say about "democracy."
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» It's called a "NATURAL MONOPOLY"
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» No.... it's called FASCISM
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» RE: No.... it's called FASCISM
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Posted by: mlrobbs on Dec 31, 2009 7:41 PM
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Unregulated capitalism has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that it serves only the interests of the uber wealthy.
Until We the People toss out the crooks in the Congress and the White House - and that includes every incumbent Republican and Democrat - our nation cannot begin to heal itself. A government of the corporations, by the corporations and for the corporations must perish from the Earth.
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Posted by: rational_moderate on Dec 31, 2009 7:44 PM
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» article didn't "enrich" a thing. It's a DECOY that blames "capitalism" for Police State Fascism
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Posted by: AJR Journal on Dec 31, 2009 10:23 PM
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1) US Government. I have no choice but to deal with them.
2) The State of Wisconsin Government. I have no choice but to deal with them.
3) The City of Milwaukee Government. I have no choice but to deal with them.
4) WE Energies. If I want gas and electricity, I have no choice but to deal with them.
That's it. Every other decision is my life has choices.
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Posted by: Man_vs_Kleptocracy on Dec 31, 2009 11:47 PM
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First of all capitalism has to have competition to work or even survive. There should be some kind of democracy over capitalism that also requires public competition. If you have monoply rule and therefore no competition there is no "capitalism" at all (and no valid democracy either). It's something else. Namely Fascism.
Mussolini coined the word "Fascism" but the idea was around well before he became a dictator. Anytime you have rich criminal oligarchs hijacking government and everything else in sight - you have Fascism.
It may be true that real capitalism can be corrupted into monopoly rule. But what honest government is about (or should be about) is to prevent Fascists from taking over and bleeding the people dry under constant propaganda and extortion that is no better Mafia rule.
We obviously have not had honest government for a very long time!
"The Fascist State lays claim to rule in the economic field no less than in others; it makes its action felt throughout the length and breadth of the country by means of its corporate, social, and educational institutions, and all the political, economic, and spiritual forces of the nation, organised in their respective associations, circulate within the State." (p. 41).
—Benito Mussolini, 1935, "The Doctrine of Fascism", Firenze: Vallecchi Editore.
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Posted by: PointMan on Jan 1, 2010 12:47 AM
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By the way, the “Red” Bolshevik coup (not revolution) was financed lock stock and barrel by FASCISTS – not “capitalists” – from the U.S. and Europe including J.D. Rockefeller, Paul Warburg (a.k.a. Daddy War Bucks the "father" of the "Federal Reserve" Corp) J.P. Morgan and of course, the Rothchilds through Max Warburg in Germany and out of Kuhn Loeb & Co in America (Felix Warburg, Jacob Schiff and other Rothschild monopoly family banking members).
JD Rockefeller was quite of saying “Competition is a sin.” No capitalist would ever say that. A Fascist would. And did.
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» Word phrases like "war on terror" & "too big to fail" are tools to deceive. This is not quibbling...
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Posted by: JayHaden on Jan 1, 2010 8:58 AM
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Posted by: CottonMan on Jan 1, 2010 11:16 AM
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For those who like a political thriller, about a small town in America that stands up to corporate greed, govt. tyranny, & ends up starting the 2nd American Revolution, then I recommend this one with the 2010 elections approaching. Americans have to unite & most everyone knows both political parties aren't going to do anything since they are a part of the problem. Great read.
www.booksbyoliver.com
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Posted by: chlamor on Jan 1, 2010 12:02 PM
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First:
This is one of the oldest friendly criticisms of capitalism that there is. It reaches back to the democratic revolutions, to the enlightenment, to Proudhon, and to the original American "reform" era well before the emergence of Theodore Roosevelt. It's statement of the obvious also stamps its class origin as the lament of the small entrepreneur, either real or potential. If only the storm tossed high seas of Capitalism could be replaced by a tranquil pond... well, then, opening a boutique in Taos, or becoming a one-man renovation contractor in Houston, might remain a practical option. 401Ks would grow, class divides would be eroded by the constant renewal of "the rich", and a certain amount of "stability" and leverage might be brought to the salary negotiation... all based on "competition".
It is remarkable how broadly this particular "criticism" is adopted. On the right, it is the ever rejuvenated basis of right populism and the only program of "left-fascism". On the left, it ranges from Lynn's mere figures of speech, to an actual intermingling of such ideas with naive socialism. It is probably the most long-lived of the reform fantasies. No matter how radical sounding it becomes, it remains a very conservative analysis. Certainly, dressing it up in "New Left" clothing during the 1960s didn't give it any new accuracy:
It is indisputable that there is a strong tendency towards monopoly in Capitalism, but there are also anti-monopoly tendencies, perhaps more accurately stated as tendencies to constantly "reorganize" monopoly. In our own times, the unblinking willingness of finance capital to dismantle moribund monopoly capital has been on constant display. No more than one or two of the poster children of "monopoly" in the 1950s remain today, let alone many of the "trusts" of 1900. Still, no calm has come to the pond for long. Quite the contrary, World War One and World War Two can be considered to be "anti-monopoly" tendencies, at another level.
The current narrative, above, seems to conflate a "deep" criticism of free enterprise with a "distrust of government" borrowed from the Libertarians. That makes it, not only a really old lament, but self-negating. The rap doesn't even begin to counter Mike's excellent rant on the subject... obviously true on the face of it.
These "new ideas" people don't have a clue (Lynn is yet another New America Foundation clown). They are going to have to reach much farther back into history. Maybe it's worth reading Henry James again, to prepare for the next "new" angle on what is wrong with "our system".
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Chlamor, it is amazing how much of this incredibly lame but, until recently, obscure bullshit got picked up on the old PopIndy, particularly in the Gallery of Assholes. That extends from the fresh-faced deer-in-headlights New Imperialism of Samantha Power:
to the "radical centrist" crappola of Mark Satin (of which Lynn is a part):
Perhaps you and I should start a new Think Tank: The non-Progressive fuck-Policy there-ain't-no-Institute not-really-New more-than-America anti-Foundation?
I bet we could attract a ton of not-Money...
- anaxarchos
Progressive Independent: Hey Anax- "Monopoly Capitalism Is the Root of All of America's Problems"
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Posted by: Nedtheredhead on Jan 1, 2010 3:23 PM
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It wasn't so much that George Warmonger was lying them into wars that they could never win.
It wasn't so much that the GOP lead media was deliberately keeping facts from the American people, and blatantly lying when questioned about their honesty.
It wasn't so much that the war machine, and war machine makers, were draining the taxpayers reserves at a frightening rate.
It was more that Americans believed they were the world.
They still do.
Reading any news report, or American based blog, one can only sit back in total disbelief at how, even after the world's worst economic collapse, Americans still talk as if they are the ones that will save the world.
America is past the point of saving anything, including itself.
And of course who better to blame that an African American President, even though it was a string of conservative Presidents that lead them into this mess in the first place.
In the meantime the BRIC economy is growing at a rapid rate. BRIC being Brazil, Russia, India and China.
Some of those nations are certainly suffering under the weight of debt created by their investing in America, but China and India are so strong as to be able to pull those, and other nations, out of the mess they were unfairly drawn into. Again the American governments lied to those investors as to the safety of their monies.
Will these nations, which include a number of African nations, return to America, or support the American economy?
Of course not. Why should they.
Not one person has been charged or found guilty, by America, for what transpired, both in the illegal wars, or the economic collapse.
The UN is a basket case, thanks to the thorough destruction of that organisation by Bush's deligate there: John Bolton.
I suppose it is understandable that Americans are watching stupid sitcoms, worrying as to which film star or sports star is having sex with whom, completely ignoring the reality of the fact that their ship, the USS Titanic, is sinking into oblivion.
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Posted by: Neoluddite on Jan 1, 2010 4:01 PM
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The root cause of the current problem is not too many capitalists, but far too few of them.
Not to mention an unholy alliance between business and government. Confused by strange bed-fellows? Just follow the money for your answer.
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Posted by: eaotan on Jan 2, 2010 6:26 AM
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The ruling banksters, corporations, their mass media and politicians are the root cause of all of the problems and are obviously NOT going to save the planetary life.
Even if some of their climate negotiators might be seriously interested in obtaining results, they can only create illusions.
Because: THE VERY PROFIT SYSTEM ITSELF DOES NOT ALLOW FOR PRIORTISING HUMANITY OVER PROFIT.
(In the COP15 case the Bush gangsters as usual appointed their little vicious mongrel for dirty jobs, Denmark, to create chaos and completely betray the objects of the congress.)
A SYSTEM CHANGE IS REQUIRED IF THE PLANETARY LIFE IS TO BE SAVED.
Facing extinction (and the forthcoming grave consequences of the bankster-created financial crisis), mankind finds itself in an ultimate revolutionary situation !
SYSTEM CHANGE, BUT HOW ?
We have no competitive weapons of destruction. But we have one invincible weapon at hand:
CONSUMER POWER
They can suppress us in all possible ways, but they cannot decide what we want to buy.
A permanent worldwide boycott movement is required as basis for a system change. Within a few years it could lead to our control/takeover of corporations.
Motivated by the climate crisis an alliance between developing countries and the grassroot movements could be a driving force.
The organizing tool may be the website
WWW.DIRECTDEMOCRACY.ORG
that promotes the REALLY green businesses, exposes the (environmentally) criminal ones and combats public corruption.
EVERYBODY*s participation is required: consumers, organizers, experts, etc.
Please join us.
The DIRECT DEMOCRACY movement
Email: secr@directdemocracy.org
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