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Hey, Dr. Dean, President Obama: It's Time to Get Real with Progressives
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Editor's note: In the following piece, Harold Pollack calls on Howard Dean and others who are vocally opposed to the Senate bill to support the legislation, no matter how flawed. He also urges President Obama to mend his relationship with progressives, many of whom have become deeply disillusioned with the Administration.
I've been spending much time recently with primary care physicians across Chicago. Interspersed with the work, I hear many stories about the difficulties experienced by urban low-income patients.
There was the man with diabetes who was uninsured until age 65. Thanks to Medicare, he now gets excellent care. That won't restore the sight he lost to diabetic retinopathy a few years ago. There were the uninsured women whose metastatic breast cancer was diagnosed in hospital emergency rooms. There are the uninsured men recovering from gunshot wounds who face large bills. There is the woman with a serious chronic illness worried what she will do if she loses her job, and thus her good employer-based coverage. There are the people who suffered strokes after going years saving money by skipping doctors' visits or by skimping on their pills.
These are not horror stories ginned up by advocacy groups. These are commonplace occurrences within most low-income communities. Every one of these patients would have benefited from provisions of the Senate health reform bill. Within the catchment area in which I do my work, maybe 100,000 people would gain health insurance through provisions in the House and Senate bills.
Dr. Dean. I thought about these stories as I read various emails from you and from your affiliated group, Democracy for America. I read with special dismay your recent Washington Post op-ed saying that you would vote against the Senate bill. These missives may reach a receptive audience. I'm dismayed myself by the loss of the public option, by affordability concerns, by the ridiculously long delay before reforms take full effect, by the unworthy prominence of Senator Joe Lieberman, given the real disappointment progressives are feeling, it's important to note how foolish and destructive your message could be. [EDITOR'S NOTE: On Sunday, Dean walked back a bit from his call for senators to vote against the health-care bill, saying on Meet the Press, "I would certainly not vote for this bill if this were the final product... I would let this thing go to conference committee and let's see if we can fix it some more..."]
As others have noted, Democrats are on the brink of enacting an imperfect but historic bill that will cover 30 million people and correct egregious defects in our current health insurance system. Fully implemented, the bill would provide about $200 billion per year down the income scale in subsidies to poor, near-poor, and working Americans.
Two hundred billion is a big number. It exceeds the combined total of federal spending on Food Stamps and all nutrition assistance programs, the Earned Income Tax Credit, Head Start, the Department of Housing and Urban Development,the National Institutes of Health and the cash payments to single mothers and their children through the Temporary Assistance to Needy Families program.
More than that, this bill codifies the responsibility of the federal government to ensure decent and affordable health coverage is available to every American. The Senate bill does not yet live up to this responsibility in every particular. Still, by almost any measure this is a historic expansion in the humanity and the ambition of American government. Paul Krugman, Jonathan Cohn, Jacob Hacker, Ezra Klein, and Paul Starr disagree about many things. Not about this. Almost everyone I know with expertise in health policy, public health, and the politics of health care believes as I do: we just have to pass this bill.
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Posted by: rabbjo22 on Dec 22, 2009 1:01 AM
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» This article mirrors Neville Chamberlain barking about "Peace in our time" when capitulating to
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Posted by: Lese Majeste on Dec 22, 2009 2:19 AM
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And we'll be paying for that thru a combination of an increase of health insurance premiums and 'fees' added to our bills, but at least it won't be called 'taxes.'
This abomination is over 2,000 pages long. There must be so much pork in that bill that it's dripping bacon grease.
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Posted by: noir on Dec 22, 2009 2:21 AM
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It is awful that it does so much less than it ought to, and that its benefits won't really kick in for a couple of years or more for many people. For those reasons it may not help Democrats in the 2010 and 2012 elections. Social Security and Medicare, once installed, quickly established themselves as electoral pluses, and if this legislation were what it should be the same would be true for it. Given what it is (isn't), I have my doubts. But I really think we have no choice but to go for it in the hope that in the future its faults and omissions can be rectified. Failing that, we are back to a status quo that will be an even worse status quo than before, a terrible backsliding in fact. There's no use saying it should be sent back to the drafting room for a complete overhaul, as though that would happen in the event of defeat. If this bill fails, health care is off the agenda completely for at least another decade and a half; if it passes we have a chance, at least, to make it better. And some people--the most vulnerable and dispossessed--will be better off.
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» RE: Speaking of Principles,...
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Dec 22, 2009 2:31 AM
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Posted by: RobNLA on Dec 22, 2009 2:43 AM
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Instead, they should have just made Medicare available to anyone and got it passed through reconciliation (which would have just required a simply majority).
That alone would have inserted Medicare as the public option. And it would have put them in direct competition with insurance companies. As a result, that would have forced premiums down so that they could compete.
But Obama and his admin are a big letdown. They repeatedly bow down to corporations, first Wall Street, now insurance companies.
There is no doubt in my mind, big corp runs this country. Democracy is just a dog and pony show so that the masses think they actually have a say in how things go.
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» RE: They made this way too hardI agree squash this current conglomeration from hell
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Posted by: Todd McClintock on Dec 22, 2009 4:46 AM
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» RE: nough already. Just kill the bill and start over.
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Posted by: Iraan Ozonjo on Dec 22, 2009 4:53 AM
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Are any existent organizations ready to initiate this drive?
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» Totally agree - screw 'em.
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» RE: pUT IT ON WEBSITE...
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» Refuse to pay the penalty or premiums!
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» RE: pUT IT ON WEBSITE...
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Posted by: solrev on Dec 22, 2009 4:59 AM
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» Democrats, not progressives, are sheeple. Progressives are buying guns.
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» RE: Hang on one sec...
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Posted by: SPEAKTRUTH200 on Dec 22, 2009 5:02 AM
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» RE: The Senate Bill is Unconstutional
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» I disagree - The Senate bill IS unconstutional.
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» RE: I disagree - The Senate bill IS constutional.
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» RE: I disagree - The Senate bill IS constutional.
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» RE: I disagree - The Senate bill IS constutional.
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» RE: I disagree - The Senate bill IS constutional.
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» RE: I disagree - The Senate bill IS constutional.
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» RE: Oh great legal scholar
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» That entire statement is nonsense.
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» RE: That entire statement is nonsense.
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» The analogy breaks down on examination. You don't have to drive and a license is no constitutional
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» RE: Of Course It's a Tax!
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Posted by: SPEAKTRUTH200 on Dec 22, 2009 5:07 AM
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» "Dragged" Out
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Posted by: mattnrva on Dec 22, 2009 5:12 AM
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...Barack promised in his campaign, and is still claiming, that "all Americans" will receive coverage through this stinking piece of shit....what a fuckin' LIAR he is...my hatred for Barack and the dumb-ass "Democrats" (so much for "Democrats" being democratic and carrying out the demands of their constituents) is growing more and more every day...
...like I continue and WILL CONTINUE to say...NOTHING WILL CHANGE until everyday, ordinary people start BUCKING and refuse to work anymore, refuse to pay taxes, refuse to make any purchases, refuse to pay their bills...
...once a few people set the standard for others to follow, and as long as anger and fury of everyday people are at the explosion point, most all others will follow the standard...and there will be NOTHING the self-anointed "elites" can do to stop it...
...once collective consciousness reaches a critical mass for big-time change, no one can stop it, no weapons can cut it, no one will be scared of government anymore...in fact it will be reversed...so-called "government" will be ABSOLUTELY, COMPLETELY TERRIFIED and will be running to hide as fast as they can...
...I prefer that there be no bloodshed in this process, but my intuition tells me it probably would happen...as I wrote in another post, I can definitely imagine mobs of everyday, ordinary people arresting corrupt politicians, self-serving "elites" and various other sellouts and physically dragging them through the streets of "AmeriKKKa" to citizens' tribunals for trials held in the streets for all to see, for crimes against humanity...
....I can imagine the trials taking place, followed by immediate executions, thus demonstrating to self-appointed "elites" and sellouts that everyday people are NOT to be fucked with ever again...
...I can see the sellout politicians getting scared as the mobs come to arrest them in their homes and offices, and them starting to name their masters, their controllers, snitching out other sellouts, in the slim hope of saving themselves...
...Listen to me, again: This revolution WILL happen one day, it will. Everyday people can only be used, manipulated, cheated just so much before their suppressed anger and rage explodes outward...
...MESSAGE TO CORRUPT POLITICANS (e.g 99.8% of them) and SELF-SERVING, ARROGANT "ELITES" :
There is very little time left. You have been gang-raping the American people in the ass for far too long. You have been sucking the long, fat, massive corporate dick for way too long. Peoples' collective consciousness really hold the power, NOT YOU. You have attempted to tell people that they are stupid, that they are commodities to be traded, drugged, sold, that their thoughts cannot change things. You have been lying.
Once people remember that their thoughts control everything, even the physical world; that their thoughts build collective consciousness and create new realities, physical, mental, and spiritual; and that when they combine their thoughts with others, a massive consciousness bubble is produced, creating an unstoppable force, what all that happens, YOU GUYS WILL NO LONGER HAVE ANY POWER.
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» Damn, matt, you sound just like me.
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» let it all hang out
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Posted by: Erin on Dec 22, 2009 6:52 AM
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» Taxpayers will subsidize the poor to fill the ins. co. coffers - fucked, eh?
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» RE: That's why there is a clause to link the IRS to your checking account
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» Then it's mattress time again
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» RE: I Think It Is Fucked That We Would Have To Pay Taxes On Our Health Insurance
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» RE: I Think It Is Fucked That We Would Have To Pay Taxes On Our Health Insurance
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» RE: I Think It Is Fucked That We Would Have To Pay Taxes On Our Health Insurance
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» RE: What happens to you when you can't buy their insurance?
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» RE: What happens to you when the Insurance Cartel raises premiums?
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Posted by: leafsong2 on Dec 22, 2009 7:10 AM
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Now that all dissent in both parties has been crushed, the industry propaganda machine is in full swing. Without any significant changes in the bill, public approval has risen significantly, proving the politicians' cynical conviction that enough money can sell the idiot American people on ANY boondoggle, no matter how manifestly disastrous it may be. The author is proudly marching with this army of professional liars. Somebody please slap this crap bag.
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» RE: Public Option in, Insurance Stocks down. Public Option out, Insurance Stocks up.
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Posted by: Urgelt on Dec 22, 2009 7:23 AM
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It's time, past time, for progressives to stop supporting and begin opposing this turkey.
We will not get real reform until we break the grip corruption has on our government.
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» Sign the petition? (And read the article!)
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Posted by: kettleblack on Dec 22, 2009 7:39 AM
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If they came up with a bill that reflected what the People want, not what the Dems or Repubs version of the Insurance Cartel's plan, they would only need 51 votes.
If any of the senators attempted a filibuster, they would incur the wrath of the Tea Party and ignite demonstrations across the country to show the People's support of the Honest Health Care Plan.
Instead, they came up with FrankenBill, making us fight each other over the crumbs left by the Insurance Cartel.
Yes, Virginia, it is true.
Our Government cannot do anything right. For us.
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» Sorry ...but I believe they would
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Posted by: Gravitas on Dec 22, 2009 7:57 AM
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Posted by: melpol on Dec 22, 2009 8:10 AM
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Posted by: wolfbite on Dec 22, 2009 8:37 AM
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Sounds like battered wife syndrome
This is not Leadership
this sounds like enabling
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Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Dec 22, 2009 10:39 AM
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How do you like that from your Senate and White House ?
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Posted by: oregoncharles on Dec 22, 2009 10:41 AM
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No. That means the mandate is really a 2% surcharge on precisely those who CANNOT AFFORD insurance. So the DEMOCRATS are saying to their hard-up constituents: "You're poor, so we're going to make you even poorer." Take that, sucker. The affected people, about 30 million of them, will NEVER vote Democrat again, unless they're truly stupid.
Which might be a good thing, depending on how (and whether) they vote, instead.
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» RE: The Mandate Is Really a REGRESSIVE Tax.
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» RE: The Mandate Is Really a REGRESSIVE Tax.
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» RE: The Mandate Is Really a REGRESSIVE Tax.
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» RE: The Mandate Is Really a REGRESSIVE Tax.
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» RE: The Mandate Is Really a REGRESSIVE Tax.
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» RE: The Mandate Is In Both Versions.
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» RE: I'm afraid not. n/m
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Posted by: oregoncharles on Dec 22, 2009 11:17 AM
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The Democratic Party is slitting its own throat and handing its head to the Greens.
Now it's our job to make sure millions of angry people move to the Greens, not the Republicans.
Join the campaign: www.gp.org.
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Posted by: DaBear on Dec 22, 2009 11:56 AM
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Forcing us to pay for insurance that won't cover half of the cases he mentioned, and doing so knowing we already don't have the money to pay for insurance period, is classic class-abuse (or outright class warfare).
How many times do we working poor and poor folk have to tell you stupid, stupid rich people: we cannot afford private insurance, even under the Senate's latest ponzi scheme. When we can barely work up food each week it's a little shitty to expect us to buy insurance, making us literally go without food!
Why don't rich people comprehend this basic fact?! It's mind boggling to me. After rent and all the other shit we don't get to negotiate away to a pittance like rich people--we're always told, this is it, take it or leave it, so we take it because you gotta have a roof you gotta eat, you have to have utilities or they take away our kids... so after rent and all that other "required" shit you make us pay for, we have a few bucks left for food. Now you're going to make us pay more than what we had left over for food to a private insurer who still has the right to deny coverage (oh yes, you very cleverly didn't mention those little details in the 2700 pages of fine print, rich boy) for basics.
With "help" from rich do-gooders like this, who needs the shitstorm we have now?!
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» RE: Just Don't
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» RE: What Harold Pollack doesn't seem to know about poor folks, while claiming to advocate for us
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» RE: What Harold Pollack doesn't seem to know about poor folks, while claiming to advocate for us
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Posted by: reelectnoone on Dec 22, 2009 1:47 PM
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Any good sales person will tell you that as soon as a potential customer opens the door to let you in, you probably have the sale.
Consider this deeply flawed legislation the foot in the door. Even with it's sell out to big insurance, people will come to expect a right to be treated when they become ill.
Even with the really bad parts of this bill, and there are several, it opens a door than has remained firmly closed for decades.
It could spell the end of private insurance in a decade or so if all goes well. We don't need them but so far their money has bought off Congress very successfully, Democrats included.
We must work on finding public servants to replace our politicians. Once we can get a Congress that actually serves the American people we can proceed with the next step, universal health care.
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Posted by: Ted Voth Jr on Dec 22, 2009 3:07 PM
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President O needs to start acting like a strong, brave, tough Progressive. Ending the wars would be favorite, initiating universal single-payer healthcare would be good, throwing the thieving, fraudulent Wall St bankers in the slammer and recovering our funds, ours the people's, and investing it in public education through college, investing in public transit and high-speed rail nationwide…
He talks well, but that's old. He needs to walk the progressive walk or die trying to impress us now.
Let him fulfill the promises that suckered so many who should've known better into voting for him, and he won't need to worry about 'mending his relationship': it'll mend itself.
I'm not holding my breath.
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Posted by: darkmark on Dec 22, 2009 6:12 PM
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The poll, which compares answers to the same questions from 30 years ago, finds that, “59% [of Americans] say the government should provide national health insurance, including 49% who say such insurance should cover all medical problems.”
Only 32% think that insurance should be left to private enterprise. are all these people progressives? well 59% of them are certainly progressing toward a better society. but of course what they want is stupid. yes we should just quit at the beginning and take whatever the corporate/fascist stooges give us. yah that's real smart, let's do that. $scru u.
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