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Hey, Dr. Dean, President Obama: It's Time to Get Real with Progressives

We can all agree that the Senate health care bill is far from perfect. What now?
December 22, 2009  |  
 
 
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Editor's note: In the following piece, Harold Pollack calls on Howard Dean and others who are vocally opposed to the Senate bill to support the legislation, no matter how flawed. He also urges President Obama to mend his relationship with progressives, many of whom have become deeply disillusioned with the Administration.

I've been spending much time recently with primary care physicians across Chicago. Interspersed with the work, I hear many stories about the difficulties experienced by urban low-income patients.

There was the man with diabetes who was uninsured until age 65. Thanks to Medicare, he now gets excellent care. That won't restore the sight he lost to diabetic retinopathy a few years ago. There were the uninsured women whose metastatic breast cancer was diagnosed in hospital emergency rooms. There are the uninsured men recovering from gunshot wounds who face large bills. There is the woman with a serious chronic illness worried what she will do if she loses her job, and thus her good employer-based coverage. There are the people who suffered strokes after going years saving money by skipping doctors' visits or by skimping on their pills.

These are not horror stories ginned up by advocacy groups. These are commonplace occurrences within most low-income communities. Every one of these patients would have benefited from provisions of the Senate health reform bill. Within the catchment area in which I do my work, maybe 100,000 people would gain health insurance through provisions in the House and Senate bills.

Dr. Dean. I thought about these stories as I read various emails from you and from your affiliated group, Democracy for America. I read with special dismay your recent Washington Post op-ed saying that you would vote against the Senate bill. These missives may reach a receptive audience. I'm dismayed myself by the loss of the public option, by affordability concerns, by the ridiculously long delay before reforms take full effect, by the unworthy prominence of Senator Joe Lieberman, given the real disappointment progressives are feeling, it's important to note how foolish and destructive your message could be. [EDITOR'S NOTE: On Sunday, Dean walked back a bit from his call for senators to vote against the health-care bill, saying on Meet the Press, "I would certainly not vote for this bill if this were the final product... I would let this thing go to conference committee and let's see if we can fix it some more..."]

As others have noted, Democrats are on the brink of enacting an imperfect but historic bill that will cover 30 million people and correct egregious defects in our current health insurance system. Fully implemented, the bill would provide about $200 billion per year down the income scale in subsidies to poor, near-poor, and working Americans.

Two hundred billion is a big number. It exceeds the combined total of federal spending on Food Stamps and all nutrition assistance programs, the Earned Income Tax Credit, Head Start,  the Department of Housing and Urban Development,the National Institutes of Health and the cash payments to single mothers and their children through the Temporary Assistance to Needy Families program.

More than that, this bill codifies the responsibility of the federal government to ensure decent and affordable health coverage is available to every American. The Senate bill does not yet live up to this responsibility in every particular. Still, by almost any measure this is a historic expansion in the humanity and the ambition of American government. Paul Krugman, Jonathan Cohn, Jacob Hacker, Ezra Klein, and Paul Starr disagree about many things. Not about this. Almost everyone I know with expertise in health policy, public health, and the politics of health care believes as I do: we just have to pass this bill.


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Harold Pollack is Helen Ross Professor of Social Service Administration, and faculty chair of the Center for Health Administration Studies at the University of Chicago. He co-edited the book, Making Americans Healthier: Social and Economic Policy As Health Policy.
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HEALTH INSURANCE
Posted by: rabbjo22 on Dec 22, 2009 1:01 AM   
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Somebody mentioned Currently, a 60-year-old likely would pay five or six times more for private medical insurance than someone in his twenties but it may not be true always check http://bit.ly/7bwEx2 for lower price coverages

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FREE health care for illegal aliens
Posted by: Lese Majeste on Dec 22, 2009 2:19 AM   
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Excpet they won't be illegal, thanks to a bill being fast-tracked by Congress to give green cards to the illegals, making them eligible for free medical care.

And we'll be paying for that thru a combination of an increase of health insurance premiums and 'fees' added to our bills, but at least it won't be called 'taxes.'

This abomination is over 2,000 pages long. There must be so much pork in that bill that it's dripping bacon grease.

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With this bill we are screwed; without it we are screwed worse
Posted by: noir on Dec 22, 2009 2:21 AM   
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At this stage everyone who sees the need for real reform has to support the one bill we can get, inadequate though it is. If this doesn't go through it will be another 15-20 years--anyone here recall the Clinton initiave in the early '90s?--before any major politician will be willing to try to get legislation that will ensure coverage for all Americans. The ideologically maniacal right, the insurance companies, big medicine and big pharma have done their bribing and misinformation work all too well, if polls are accurate. What's happening now is that we are in a dogfight to get, at least, the basic PRINCIPLE of health care for everyone established firmly, placed prominently before the public. Passing this bill is the only way to make that even a possibility.

It is awful that it does so much less than it ought to, and that its benefits won't really kick in for a couple of years or more for many people. For those reasons it may not help Democrats in the 2010 and 2012 elections. Social Security and Medicare, once installed, quickly established themselves as electoral pluses, and if this legislation were what it should be the same would be true for it. Given what it is (isn't), I have my doubts. But I really think we have no choice but to go for it in the hope that in the future its faults and omissions can be rectified. Failing that, we are back to a status quo that will be an even worse status quo than before, a terrible backsliding in fact. There's no use saying it should be sent back to the drafting room for a complete overhaul, as though that would happen in the event of defeat. If this bill fails, health care is off the agenda completely for at least another decade and a half; if it passes we have a chance, at least, to make it better. And some people--the most vulnerable and dispossessed--will be better off.

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A little poerty, forsooth
Posted by: Perry Logan on Dec 22, 2009 2:31 AM   
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In the words of e.e. cummings, "There is some sh*t i will not eat."

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They made this way too hard
Posted by: RobNLA on Dec 22, 2009 2:43 AM   
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The big problem was they tried to remake the wheel.

Instead, they should have just made Medicare available to anyone and got it passed through reconciliation (which would have just required a simply majority).

That alone would have inserted Medicare as the public option. And it would have put them in direct competition with insurance companies. As a result, that would have forced premiums down so that they could compete.

But Obama and his admin are a big letdown. They repeatedly bow down to corporations, first Wall Street, now insurance companies.

There is no doubt in my mind, big corp runs this country. Democracy is just a dog and pony show so that the masses think they actually have a say in how things go.

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Enough already. Just kill the bill and start over.
Posted by: Todd McClintock on Dec 22, 2009 4:46 AM   
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It will be worse if this bill passes than if it doesn't.

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Penalties without real reform is tyranny - WE WON'T PAY!
Posted by: Iraan Ozonjo on Dec 22, 2009 4:53 AM   
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I propose a national petition stating "If I am mandated to purchase insurance from a private/for profit supplier,I will REFUSE to pay. The disgust on all sides could gather millions of signatures from both the singlepayer advocates and the lost, but equally anti-government ones on the right. A paper coalition of divergent ideas but agreeing voices might mean something to the lumpengovernment, and show that real and unreal America are together in their rejection of this farce.

Are any existent organizations ready to initiate this drive?

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Progressives are sheeple too
Posted by: solrev on Dec 22, 2009 4:59 AM   
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The rationalizing of the rational people is amazing. If you have not recognized by now that the feel good houseboy you elected was nothing more than Bush 2.5, then American democracy has prevailed again. Do you really believe that a puppet like smoken Joe is calling the shots? Smoken Joe gave Obama everything Obama wanted, but Obama is just a puppet too. Smoken Joe is a smoke screen to cover Obama from the likes of move on. It is time for move on to move over they were to easily duped. Listening to the rationalizing of HD, PK, RF, et al after they were ordered to get in line is amazing. There is nothing historic about the Obama presidency. What would I do, let me look at the choice? Pay 200 million to doctors and nurses and medical provider support through Medicaid, or pay 200 million to insurance companies, knowing the 30 million people will not seek healthcare because of co pays and other insurance scams, until they are ready to die and dying is cheap in America. It was an easy choice for Obama. While the American sheeple will get in line, it is nice to see the governments of the rest of the world have heard enough of the word man, they have work to do. The Senate Health Care Bill: Flawed Necessity or Idiotic Sell-Out? No, a grand plan.

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The Senate Bill is Unconstutional
Posted by: SPEAKTRUTH200 on Dec 22, 2009 5:02 AM   
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Are the Senators who support this bill aware the federal government has no power to mandate we buy this fraud? Nope the States can pass mandatory car insurance, but the feds have no such power. The pushers of this flawed bill will go down with the demorats who pulled a fast one on the american people. Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are federal programs but they are budged under commerce. This bill is so flawed, and so unconsitutional it will never past the muster of a court overturning it. Me thinks the dems will pass anything to say they have reform even though it will be proven to be a disaster for working americans. Tax union workers instead of taxing the filthy rich? How disgusting, how anti middle class. How can Nelson get free medicaid forever for friggin Nebraska while the rest of the States are going bankrupt. These are dirty deals, and the dirtiest deal of all is for Alternet and those caving to push the tin can down the proverbial path. Stop it, Kill it and Start over...with single payer, public option or Medicare for all.

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THEY EVEN DRUG OUT MS. KENNEDY FOR THE HOAX
Posted by: SPEAKTRUTH200 on Dec 22, 2009 5:07 AM   
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Anyone involved in this issue for decades not the newcomers should be aware that Mitt Romeney put this crap in place in Massachusetts. Even he said, "he wouldnt recommend it for the country". But the Dems so eager to pass even a flawed bill, drug out Ms.Ted Kennedy to put her stamp of approval on it. How horrible can these dems get? Massachusetts is going bankrupt because of the Romeny bill. I agree that Obama is in the pockets of wall street, big insurance, and the military industrial complex. He has no nerve, no spunk, and is a young, naive man who has surrounded himself with corporate zealots who will make him a one term president. He still has time to reframe this issue during the conference period. Lets not forget it was Rahm Emanuel, and David Axelrod who are making big bucks off this fraud. Axelrods former PR firm got a cool $28million to help push this monstrosity. No difference between corporate dems and corporate always repukes...both in the pocket of corporate america, screwing the american people to death.

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HOW MANY TIMES MUST I REPEAT MYSELF...
Posted by: mattnrva on Dec 22, 2009 5:12 AM   
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....that the TIME FOR CHANGE THROUGH RIGGED "ELECTIONS" IS OVER...

...Barack promised in his campaign, and is still claiming, that "all Americans" will receive coverage through this stinking piece of shit....what a fuckin' LIAR he is...my hatred for Barack and the dumb-ass "Democrats" (so much for "Democrats" being democratic and carrying out the demands of their constituents) is growing more and more every day...

...like I continue and WILL CONTINUE to say...NOTHING WILL CHANGE until everyday, ordinary people start BUCKING and refuse to work anymore, refuse to pay taxes, refuse to make any purchases, refuse to pay their bills...

...once a few people set the standard for others to follow, and as long as anger and fury of everyday people are at the explosion point, most all others will follow the standard...and there will be NOTHING the self-anointed "elites" can do to stop it...

...once collective consciousness reaches a critical mass for big-time change, no one can stop it, no weapons can cut it, no one will be scared of government anymore...in fact it will be reversed...so-called "government" will be ABSOLUTELY, COMPLETELY TERRIFIED and will be running to hide as fast as they can...

...I prefer that there be no bloodshed in this process, but my intuition tells me it probably would happen...as I wrote in another post, I can definitely imagine mobs of everyday, ordinary people arresting corrupt politicians, self-serving "elites" and various other sellouts and physically dragging them through the streets of "AmeriKKKa" to citizens' tribunals for trials held in the streets for all to see, for crimes against humanity...

....I can imagine the trials taking place, followed by immediate executions, thus demonstrating to self-appointed "elites" and sellouts that everyday people are NOT to be fucked with ever again...

...I can see the sellout politicians getting scared as the mobs come to arrest them in their homes and offices, and them starting to name their masters, their controllers, snitching out other sellouts, in the slim hope of saving themselves...

...Listen to me, again: This revolution WILL happen one day, it will. Everyday people can only be used, manipulated, cheated just so much before their suppressed anger and rage explodes outward...

...MESSAGE TO CORRUPT POLITICANS (e.g 99.8% of them) and SELF-SERVING, ARROGANT "ELITES" :

There is very little time left. You have been gang-raping the American people in the ass for far too long. You have been sucking the long, fat, massive corporate dick for way too long. Peoples' collective consciousness really hold the power, NOT YOU. You have attempted to tell people that they are stupid, that they are commodities to be traded, drugged, sold, that their thoughts cannot change things. You have been lying.

Once people remember that their thoughts control everything, even the physical world; that their thoughts build collective consciousness and create new realities, physical, mental, and spiritual; and that when they combine their thoughts with others, a massive consciousness bubble is produced, creating an unstoppable force, what all that happens, YOU GUYS WILL NO LONGER HAVE ANY POWER.

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What happens to you when you can't buy their insurance?
Posted by: Erin on Dec 22, 2009 6:52 AM   
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Has anyone asked that question? Let me tell you, from first hand experience, that I was unable to afford insurance for over 10 years. I had a low income job that did not provide benefits. Somehow I survived to 65 and got Medicare. If someone had told me that,by law, I had to buy insurance or they would fine me several thousand dollars, I would not have been able pay either of them. So, my question is will people who live from week to week and whose income barely pays their rent, food, and utilities be put in jail because they can't afford another penny for the insurance or for the fine?? Maybe Obama's plan is to put all us poor people in Guantanamo.

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What a fool
Posted by: leafsong2 on Dec 22, 2009 7:10 AM   
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Fool? No, I meant liar, because any idiot could tell that this analysis is bullshit. The main selling point for the bill? In it, Congress codifies what Congress is required to do for the people in terms of health care in vague and non-committal terms, and Congress always follows the rules they set for themselves, right? Just like the debt ceiling? And we know that it must be good for the people, because the bill gives $200 billion dollars in subsidies---to health insurers. Kind of like the Medicare drug benefit which the author I'm sure thinks was a great deal for America. This is a subsidy for the people like a cut in capital gains taxes.

Now that all dissent in both parties has been crushed, the industry propaganda machine is in full swing. Without any significant changes in the bill, public approval has risen significantly, proving the politicians' cynical conviction that enough money can sell the idiot American people on ANY boondoggle, no matter how manifestly disastrous it may be. The author is proudly marching with this army of professional liars. Somebody please slap this crap bag.

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I'm Taking My Cue from Howard Dean.
Posted by: Urgelt on Dec 22, 2009 7:23 AM   
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Howard Dean says the bill is a taxpayer giveaway to the insurance industry. I agree. It's a legal mandate for us to buy price-unregulated for-profit products. That isn't going to control health care costs, it's going to accelerate them, and that is why health insurance stocks have skyrocketed in the last week.

It's time, past time, for progressives to stop supporting and begin opposing this turkey.

We will not get real reform until we break the grip corruption has on our government.

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If they made an Honest Bill, they would not need 60 votes
Posted by: kettleblack on Dec 22, 2009 7:39 AM   
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If they didn't use the same old bribes and kickbacks (i.e. business as usual) to conduct their smoke-filled backroom deals, they would not need the 60 votes for cloture.
If they came up with a bill that reflected what the People want, not what the Dems or Repubs version of the Insurance Cartel's plan, they would only need 51 votes.
If any of the senators attempted a filibuster, they would incur the wrath of the Tea Party and ignite demonstrations across the country to show the People's support of the Honest Health Care Plan.
Instead, they came up with FrankenBill, making us fight each other over the crumbs left by the Insurance Cartel.
Yes, Virginia, it is true.
Our Government cannot do anything right. For us.

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No Thanks
Posted by: Gravitas on Dec 22, 2009 7:57 AM   
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I just have too great a problem with the government forcing me to buy health insurance. Especially at a variable college adjunct's wages. Furthermore, our health will take a back seat to the insurance industry profit. What they really should have to guts to do is eliminate health insurance all together. The price of medicine would go down and the quality would go up. The insurance companies are nothing but parasites literally draining the life blood of the public!

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Toothless Smiles Will Now Be Ended
Posted by: melpol on Dec 22, 2009 8:10 AM   
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The bill should not be called Healthcare but Bribecare. Billions have been made by Democrats for its passage. Fortunately a few million fast food workers will now be covered. They will be eligible for free dental care under Medicaid. No longer will they have to hide their toothless smiles.

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do you believe in Santa? the Tooth fairy? that Tiger will be faithfull??
Posted by: wolfbite on Dec 22, 2009 8:37 AM   
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Are you kidding me.....fence mending with progressives!, dont let the conservatives win!, Its better than doing nothing!

Sounds like battered wife syndrome

This is not Leadership

this sounds like enabling

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UH OH ! MORE BAD NEWS ! The "REFORM" bill further SOILED by the gun lobbyists !!!
Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Dec 22, 2009 10:39 AM   
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http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/12/22-0

How do you like that from your Senate and White House ?

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The Mandate Is Really a REGRESSIVE Tax.
Posted by: oregoncharles on Dec 22, 2009 10:41 AM   
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As it stands, the penalty if you don't buy the mandated junk insurance would be "up to 2%", levied through the IRS. 2% of, say, $65,000, is $1300 - and so on. That's much less than the insurance would cost most people - a good thing, no?

No. That means the mandate is really a 2% surcharge on precisely those who CANNOT AFFORD insurance. So the DEMOCRATS are saying to their hard-up constituents: "You're poor, so we're going to make you even poorer." Take that, sucker. The affected people, about 30 million of them, will NEVER vote Democrat again, unless they're truly stupid.

Which might be a good thing, depending on how (and whether) they vote, instead.

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» RE: The Mandate Is Really a REGRESSIVE Tax. Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
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From the Green Party to the Senate: Thank You, Thank You, Thank You!
Posted by: oregoncharles on Dec 22, 2009 11:17 AM   
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You have proved the utter corruption of the Democratic Party and driven people to the Green Party in a way we never could have.

The Democratic Party is slitting its own throat and handing its head to the Greens.

Now it's our job to make sure millions of angry people move to the Greens, not the Republicans.

Join the campaign: www.gp.org.

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What Harold Pollack doesn't seem to know about poor folks, while claiming to advocate for us
Posted by: DaBear on Dec 22, 2009 11:56 AM   
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These are commonplace occurrences within most low-income communities. Every one of these patients would have benefited from provisions of the Senate health reform bill. Within the catchment area in which I do my work, maybe 100,000 people would gain health insurance through provisions in the House and Senate bills.

Forcing us to pay for insurance that won't cover half of the cases he mentioned, and doing so knowing we already don't have the money to pay for insurance period, is classic class-abuse (or outright class warfare).

How many times do we working poor and poor folk have to tell you stupid, stupid rich people: we cannot afford private insurance, even under the Senate's latest ponzi scheme. When we can barely work up food each week it's a little shitty to expect us to buy insurance, making us literally go without food!

Why don't rich people comprehend this basic fact?! It's mind boggling to me. After rent and all the other shit we don't get to negotiate away to a pittance like rich people--we're always told, this is it, take it or leave it, so we take it because you gotta have a roof you gotta eat, you have to have utilities or they take away our kids... so after rent and all that other "required" shit you make us pay for, we have a few bucks left for food. Now you're going to make us pay more than what we had left over for food to a private insurer who still has the right to deny coverage (oh yes, you very cleverly didn't mention those little details in the 2700 pages of fine print, rich boy) for basics.

With "help" from rich do-gooders like this, who needs the shitstorm we have now?!

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We have to get a foot in the door
Posted by: reelectnoone on Dec 22, 2009 1:47 PM   
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This is a foot in the door. Not much more but more than we have.

Any good sales person will tell you that as soon as a potential customer opens the door to let you in, you probably have the sale.

Consider this deeply flawed legislation the foot in the door. Even with it's sell out to big insurance, people will come to expect a right to be treated when they become ill.

Even with the really bad parts of this bill, and there are several, it opens a door than has remained firmly closed for decades.

It could spell the end of private insurance in a decade or so if all goes well. We don't need them but so far their money has bought off Congress very successfully, Democrats included.

We must work on finding public servants to replace our politicians. Once we can get a Congress that actually serves the American people we can proceed with the next step, universal health care.

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President Obama [needs] to mend his relationship with progressive
Posted by: Ted Voth Jr on Dec 22, 2009 3:07 PM   
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Wrongo.

President O needs to start acting like a strong, brave, tough Progressive. Ending the wars would be favorite, initiating universal single-payer healthcare would be good, throwing the thieving, fraudulent Wall St bankers in the slammer and recovering our funds, ours the people's, and investing it in public education through college, investing in public transit and high-speed rail nationwide…

He talks well, but that's old. He needs to walk the progressive walk or die trying to impress us now.

Let him fulfill the promises that suckered so many who should've known better into voting for him, and he won't need to worry about 'mending his relationship': it'll mend itself.

I'm not holding my breath.

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ed hardy
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darkmark
Posted by: darkmark on Dec 22, 2009 6:12 PM   
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yes lets just give in to the realities of compromise. what we wanted was ridicules. single payer/medicare for all was a stupid idea. A New York Times/CBS News poll released last week shows, yet again, that the majority of Americans support national health insurance.

The poll, which compares answers to the same questions from 30 years ago, finds that, “59% [of Americans] say the government should provide national health insurance, including 49% who say such insurance should cover all medical problems.”

Only 32% think that insurance should be left to private enterprise. are all these people progressives? well 59% of them are certainly progressing toward a better society. but of course what they want is stupid. yes we should just quit at the beginning and take whatever the corporate/fascist stooges give us. yah that's real smart, let's do that. $scru u.

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Obama Sold US Out for Big Business
Posted by: Jersey Devil on Dec 22, 2009 7:09 PM   
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All those wonderful campaign promises unfulfilled. Hillary would have kept her word! Obama is owned lock, stock, and barrel by Wall Street, Insurance Companies, and Phrama. Who will rid us of this false prophet Obama? What is next you ask - simple, dump the Democrats and elect genuine Republican Wall Street Stooges. Maybe that will awaken the spirit of FDR for Democrats.

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Posted by: Romans1 on Dec 22, 2009 8:08 PM   
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Late-night closed-door deals to shape final health care bill

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/3383661

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