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Shocking: High School Grads Twice As Likely To Be Jobless Than College Grads – and Right-Wingers are Profiting From Their Pain
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You know how bad the economy is, right? Maybe your 401(k) has tanked. Perhaps you were out of work for a few months. You could have a mortgage under water. Or your health insurance has an impossibly high deductible. Yeah, we're all singing the blues.
I've gotten out my violin to play a mournful accompaniment to our collective angst.
Wait, what's that I hear in the distance? A dissonant, thundering chord someone just hammered on the piano -- a harsh interruption of my languid dirge. Now it repeats, getting louder and nearer.
It's the sound of rage, of people I don't know -- millions of them -- unable to make rent or feed their families. Why don't I know them? They don't have college degrees, and nearly everybody I know does.
The truth is, brothers and sisters, however much we the degreed are suffering, we don't know the half of it. And unless we familiarize ourselves with the other half very, very soon, what was supposed to be a new progressive era could quickly give way to the rage of the Tea Party.
We all know that unemployment is high -- 10 percent nationwide, and higher than that in certain geographic pockets. (Michigan tops the states with more than 15 percent.) Economists tell us that when you factor in all the underemployed people, and those who have given up looking for work, the national employment picture is more like 17 percent who are either out of work or barely working. But chances are, if you're at all like me, those numbers tell you that something's terribly wrong, but your day-to-day life is more or less holding together. Those who do not possess a college diploma are having a far more visceral experience of this recession.
Among college graduates, the unemployment rate for October was 4.7 percent, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (PDF). For people with some college or an Associate's degree, the rate is almost doubled, at 9 percent. Among high school graduates who never went to college, 11 percent are unemployed, while high-school drop-outs show a whopping 15.5 percent unemployed.
So, unless you know a lot of people who never graduated college, you really have no idea just how bad things are.
Maybe that's why the political establishment in Washington, D.C., was stunned last week when members of the Black Congressional Caucus came together in the House Financial Services Committee to halt a financial reform bill put together by committee Chairman Barney Frank, D-MA. While CBC members took issue with some specific provisions in the bill, the real intent of the caucus members' stalling was to protest the administration's lackluster response to the growing jobs crisis within their constituencies. (Among African Americans, the unemployment rate for October was 15.7 percent, according to BLS, compared to 9.5 percent for white people. According to a 2003 survey by the U.S. Census, 17 percent of blacks had college diplomas, compared to 27.2 percent of whites.)
A poll released last week by ABC News and the Washington Post found that 30 percent of Americans say that either they or someone in their household has lost a job in the past year, a finding the pollsters present as a new high. But, because it's an average, that figure tells only part of the story. Those losses are not evenly distributed across the economy; pollsters found that people living in households with income of less than $50,000 were twice as likely to have experienced a job loss by a member of their household than those with earnings above that threshold.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Nov 28, 2009 12:50 AM
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Has the Alternet DC Bubble burst? Sure seems so as we now have a story about high school graduates and drop outs. The plight of the rust belt and those in agriculture is not new, it is just worse than ever.
Progressives had better get the word out that Obama's agenda is the antithesis of what a Progressive Agenda would look like. Progressives need seriously consider joining the Green Party, a real progressive party.
As far as I can tell Obama is a lost cause. It is not worth trying to revive a Democratic Party that always ends up being Republican Lite ... Progressives need to capture the imagination of the youth out there today. What the current bunch in Congress and the White House are leaving them is an inheritance of debt and destruction unparalleled in the generational politics of America.
Go Green ...
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» I've done it, and announced that fact to the DNC
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» RE: What Does Obama Have to Do with Progressives?
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Posted by: mmckinl on Nov 28, 2009 12:51 AM
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Has the Alternet DC Bubble burst? Sure seems so as we now have a story about high school graduates and drop outs. The plight of the rust belt and those in agriculture is not new, it is just worse than ever.
Progressives had better get the word out that Obama's agenda is the antithesis of what a Progressive Agenda would look like. Progressives need seriously consider joining the Green Party, a real progressive party.
As far as I can tell Obama is a lost cause. It is not worth trying to revive a Democratic Party that always ends up being Republican Lite ... Progressives need to capture the imagination of the youth out there today. What the current bunch in Congress and the White House are leaving them is an inheritance of debt and destruction unparalleled in the generational politics of America.
Go Green ...
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» Sorry for the double post ...
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Posted by: mmckinl on Nov 28, 2009 12:52 AM
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Has the Alternet DC Bubble burst? Sure seems so as we now have a story about high school graduates and drop outs. The plight of the rust belt and those in agriculture is not new, it is just worse than ever.
Progressives had better get the word out that Obama's agenda is the antithesis of what a Progressive Agenda would look like. Progressives need seriously consider joining the Green Party, a real progressive party.
As far as I can tell Obama is a lost cause. It is not worth trying to revive a Democratic Party that always ends up being Republican Lite ... Progressives need to capture the imagination of the youth out there today. What the current bunch in Congress and the White House are leaving them is an inheritance of debt and destruction unparalleled in the generational politics of America.
Go Green ...
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» RE: The status quo works pretty well for you, doesn't it?
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» Here we go again, vote Democrats or GOP wins!
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» RE: Here we go again, vote Democrats or GOP wins!
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» RE: Keep thinking that...
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» RE: No scare tactic, just fact
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» RE: No scare tactic, just fact
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» RE: The status quo works pretty well for you, doesn't it?
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» RE: The status quo works pretty well for you, doesn't it?
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Posted by: Richardsievert on Nov 28, 2009 6:35 AM
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Will you wait to see "your children's make up in a box, Cold as ice dead. You father's of the fallen?
Mother's of the laden bearing children for Americas stolen war' Made from the darkest water's of hell' It's time for civil war'
These fuckers are so dark' One filter would be toast with just one life it's so disgusting' "It would never work again' After the poison thing it tried to filter threw it's man made plan.
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Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Nov 28, 2009 6:54 AM
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» There is no security in education any more
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» Actually, there never was security even in education but I did it to somewhat settle the odds.
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Posted by: ETSpoon on Nov 28, 2009 7:37 AM
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Now this is not to say I never agree with those on the ideologically pure left (IPL.) I find I'm in accord with issue positions and criticisms of writers and activists like a Noam Chomsky or a Ralph Nader or an Alexander Cockburn or the Green Party 99 per cent of the time. It's just that one per cent that's the rub, being the IPL's willingness to throw in with the reactionary right in order to castigate the Democratic Party for some political offense or other, usually inattention to the poor or the environment.
As Adele Stan points out in the above paragraph the members of the IPL are by and large also members in good standing of the coordinator class, i.e. those who do not own the means of production but who run it on be half of the owners. This class, economically at the upper limits of what we in the United States call the "middle" class, now includes doctors, lawyers and college professors though many will try to deny this fact.
The crux of what is wrong with American politics and the political system is that all the great political battles of the day, health care, war, the environment, the economy, are being wages by members of the same socio-economic class, the coordinator class. The real difference between establishment Democrats and establishment Republicans is really very simple: Democrats are lawyers, Republicans are MBAs or at the very least insurance salesmen. And if you casually scan the bios of our US Senators and Congressman you find this a fairly accurate description to the point of stereotype. All our great political debates of the day are reduced to arguments over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, for both sides, Democrats and GOP, agree on the basic principals of the "free market" economic model.
So when members of the IPL level charges at both major political parties that there's not a dime's worth of difference, it's true. That is because most of the IPL are themselves members of the same socio-economic class, i.e. coordinator class, so they know it from the inside!
Let us remember that leading peace activist Chomsky is professor emeritus of a university, MIT, which is one of the leading recipients of Department of Defense contracts and grants! Nader, during his quixotic 2000 presidential bid, owned between $100,000 to $250,000 of shares in the Fidelity Magellan Fund. Cockburn is a collector of prized, gas guzzling American Fifties and Sixties automobiles. So while guilt by association is not admissible in a court of law, it should be in the court of public opinion.
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» Excellent, so let's hear your ideas.
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» RE: I have no great ideas, I'm just a dumb union guy
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 28, 2009 8:07 AM
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» RE:What's the point of education if there are no jobs
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Posted by: JFlagg on Nov 28, 2009 9:02 AM
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» RE: The answer is in our wallets ... just isn't so ...
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» Great idea...as it was in the 70s and 80s
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Posted by: sharonsylvie on Nov 28, 2009 9:51 AM
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What the article should have really focused on is how the Republicans can channel working class anger away from the real causes of their problems. How they blind people with crap about socialism, abortion, and gay marriage. How they scream about health care legislation and death panels as a government takeover when the bill is anything but. And how the media is complicit is keeping people stupid.
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» RE: what does this have to do with the left?
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» This has always been the strategy of the Right
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Posted by: McGovern72! on Nov 28, 2009 9:53 AM
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Planet explodes! Women and minorities affected the most.
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Posted by: pg on Nov 28, 2009 10:42 AM
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2. The money he is spending is not creating jobs
3. Tea Party folks are not what you think. I know a 70 year old couple who are Tea Party folks who I help cut firewood on my property to heat their house. They are against the growth in government and high taxes. They are not astroturf as you claim. I don't go to tea parties but I agree with them.
4. I have no education beyond high school but I have made good money all my life due to a good work ethic that believes dedication and hard work will eventually be rewarded, too many people especially kids today have a sense of entitlement that the country owes them something like a job.
5. My wife is a teacher who prefers to work in poorer districts that are often minority and gang war zones where less than 20% graduate and less than 12% go to college. Most of the kids have no desire to do anything but get out of school and hit the streets and jobs programs will not help them because they have no work ethic or desire for success. Bring vocational training back into high schools where it used to be and many of the kids that are not academically oriented will be introduced to a path to success by finding talents and interests they do not know they have.
6. Obama is already a failed presidency.
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Posted by: DeeOhGee on Nov 28, 2009 11:38 AM
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» No it's the truth that look's at the disgusting reality threw the, User's of Alternet's eye's
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Posted by: Rusty Shackleford on Nov 28, 2009 11:44 AM
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Typical democrats, "Republican Lite," as I saw it accurately portrayed in an earlier comment.
Democrats don't do anything to relieve the plight of the poor.
Democrats view the federal government as able to solve all the peoples' problems. Wrong. That one term, "federal government," is the slip-up.
No. The federal government is too far, too distant, too disorganized and too crooked to make any "noticeable" changes at a local level. States need to start looking after the well-being of their populations, rather than waiting for the national government to do something. LOCAL city governments need to start doing things to help out their own little towns, instead of sitting tight, hoping that big brother national government will shoo away the recession.
Communities must turn INWARDS if they hope to survive.
Start creating virtual medeval villages, where you have a few surrounding farms, a cobbler, a taylor, a butcher, a baker, a candlestick maker, and all that jazz. Make governments decree that restaurants must use a certain percentage of their food from local farms. That stores must stock a large percentage of their products from locally grown or made areas.
No more of this "300 million people all hoping for one guy in a stagnant, fetid swamp will solve all our problems if we do what he says."
Time for local action. You want true local? Throw WalMart and Target out of your towns, and find a local family willing to open a general store. You want true local? Decree that every citizen must install a wind turbine on their property, and those who can't afford it will be assisted via city taxes.
It's not glitzy, but dammit, it's practical, and it's honest. And it's FAR better than the nightmarish world we've created now, where everything is interconnected across such vast distances, so if one thing goes down, the entire thing collapses.
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» RE: We share the dream of Local control of our politics
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» RE: typical democrats...
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Posted by: Sojourner on Nov 28, 2009 12:07 PM
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We now have a government that shows it is unable to cope with out-of-control global capitalists. Offshoring jobs makes money. Blasting the tops off mountains makes money. Invading other nations makes money. Destroying nature makes money. Global warming makes money. Well, you get the point.
So long as our government can turn things to gold, we willingly sacrifice people to property.
Will we ever learn?
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Posted by: Ayla87 on Nov 28, 2009 12:10 PM
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I'm just speaking from experience here. As the screen name implies, I'm 22 years old. I only have a highschool diploma (that I didn't even try to earn). Yet every time I'm at a job fair or speaking with a recruiter, I hear them say to me, "I can tell you're smart/ educated/ capable. I can hear it in the way you speak.
Again, I have no college degree. All I have is a highschool diploma, and more importantly, a library card that's used quite often. I wonder if there's a connection...
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» Libraries are the path to self-education...
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» RE: Perhaps if highschool grads could read
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» RE: Perhaps if highschool grads could read
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» my brother-in-law to a tee...
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» RE: Perhaps if highschool grads could read
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» Nail, Head, Hit
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» RE: "thier resume's"
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» I work with University graduates...some with graduate degrees
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» Haughty Harridan
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» RE: Anti-Educational Fool
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» RE: Anti-Educational Fool
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» Oh My God! I misspelt 'their'!
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Posted by: bigbrother on Nov 28, 2009 1:04 PM
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Posted by: Richardsievert on Nov 28, 2009 2:12 PM
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November 28th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
lol to free men
If i was president this country would’ Have the angel’s bowing down at our great majesty’ I would have a system in place that would free every slave, Every prisoner and give them all job’s I would be ending every program ever created after’ Dixon from every president even after him Ending all laws created by any of them.
Whoever does needs to make things wright with the people that have been used by a system that is fair and creativity is UN Chained.
We must enter space. If I was president I wouldn't have to worry about any term'
Because the people would once again all have faith in you'
Not this current governed mess that they want to burn.
Please Obadiah read this I think it might be to late though? You lost your turn that money you spent could have made your country great' By just one thing I planned to do, Witch was just make the roadway's threw ground making'
"Cities great' And new ones that never will even get there name.
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Posted by: Pissed Off Woman on Nov 28, 2009 4:21 PM
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Read "Red State Blue State Rich State Poor State" by Andrew Gelman, and you'll be reminded of the obvious fact our idiot media tries so hard to deny: low-income people vote overwhelmingly Democrat. Rich people vote overwhelmingly Republican. So the idea that jobless or soon-to-be-jobless high school grads are going to turn en masse to conservatism is laughable at best.
The dangers of ideologically motivated "Tea Party" protesters have been overstated. Looking beyond the corporate media spin, you'll see that the numbers of anti-war protesters have consistently been much higher. And although some carry guns to meetings, they are NOT a militia movement--their organization is geared toward the normal political process, not armed revolt. In my opinion, the real danger will come much later--when our elite Democrat and Republican parties have made the income gap in this country so extreme that there are enough starving people to start food riots. It's happened already in many other countries, due to rising food prices driven by bumper harvests and ethanol demand. It can happen here.
And another thing--personally, I don't think much of Obama's health care bill. It would force me to buy health insurance, which, according to the Health Reform Subsidy Calculator, would mean I'd pay approximately $135/month. Not as bad as the coverage my employer "offers", which is around $300/month and the reason why I'm uninsured, but a) I live in a high-rent area, and b) my income isn't always the same from month to month; I cobble together a living from several intermittent jobs. The last thing I need is another fixed cost. I'm not going to fight for anything less than single payer--the "public option" won't cut it for me.
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» As a college graduate...
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Posted by: pauldd on Nov 28, 2009 4:34 PM
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Somehow I came to the conclusion that this was due to the right leaning tilt in the corporate news board rooms, not the lack of progressive ideas, literature and activism. Silly me.
"Obama's approval numbers, according to a Gallup poll released this week, have fallen 22 points among whites."
I'm one of those 'whites' (if for some reason that makes a difference) and my approval of Obama has fallen explicitly due to his swing to the right or unnecessary compromises on economic stimuli, financial sector regulation reform, health care reform, the two wars he's continued or escalated and on a lesser scale his failure to follow through on repeal of DODT.
"It's time for liberal leaders to embark on a path that connects progressive goals to the plight of everyday people."
As Thomas Frank asked, "What's the Matter with Kansas?"
The failure I see is the failure of liberals/progressives to invest in media since the late '70s leading to an overwhelming structural imbalance in the number of voices and the breadth of ideas on the TV, radio and in print media. Well connected and well-to-do conservatives began the process soon after the Watergate scandal unfolded (e.g. Sung Myung Moon) while liberals bet on the belief that truth, justice and progressive ideals would win on their strength alone.
They failed to learn what Joseph Goebbels knew: "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." On the other hand, conservatives took it to heart.
In the end, if her reasons are off base, Stan's prescription is correct. There is a paucity of strong progressive voices in the mainstream media and in government. Let's all keep up the pressure to make our voices heard.
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Posted by: BobbyGreyFriar on Nov 28, 2009 6:23 PM
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However, I remain skeptical of progressives playing on constructive role--the average progressive has too much money, lives too comfortably and it is too smug to even admit the existence of class let alone fight for an economic and political reversal.
Regarding the specific article, the author still refuses to admit the basic facts, Obama was a corporate stooge before he knew he as running for office, the DP represents the same oligarchic elite as the RP and finally, to date progressives have sided with power at almost every turn (cf. dirtygreeniehippie.blogspot.com)--that the Saviors of the Universe pose (repeated here) has so far been vain pretense.
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Posted by: rumigirl on Nov 28, 2009 7:34 PM
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on Nov 28, 2009 7:59 PM
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For Example The English Lake District...
And You Produce This Enormous Image That Looks Beautiful From a Mile Back
But as You Travel Towards It You See More and More and More and More and More DETAIL
Such That Within This Scene You Can See The Real Beauty Of LIFE
He said - well why haven't you done it yet?
I said I tried - Yes I know photo stitch software but to take on this job properly you would need THOUSANDS Of Photographers Recording The Most Intimate Details of The Sex Life of a Grasshopper...
It is actually quite hard to explain this concept even to an incredibly talented artist - who I keep saying to him take your Love Away
If she says any more to me, then I am going to completely fall in Love with Your Wife
Like Absolutely Everyone Does With Mine
We were Expecting about 10 people back tonight
Not Half The Bleedin Pub...
But I kept saying and pointing to this Angel
Who was so Completely and Utterley Lovely To Everyone...
You See that Girl There...
She is My Wife
And I Love Her So
Tony
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» Off topic but I enjoyed the poetry.
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Posted by: scremf on Nov 28, 2009 11:07 PM
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Now I know I've probably raised a few hackles here, but like the old proverb says "the truth hurts". Before I go too much further perhaps a bit of personal history is in order.
I'm a white trash 55 year old male living in a 20' motorhome in beautiful downtown Palinville Alaska (I can see Putins house). My nearest neighbors are hooked on oxycon and lord knows what else and wake me up at all hours of the morning. My father died when I was 11 and I quit school at 17 to go logging in Washington State, an occupation I worked in until I was 37 and too crippled to continue. Obviously there's more but don't want to bore you with details, only wanted to highlight my working class credentials.
The sad truth is that the author is correct. Most "progressives" never think a heck of a lot about folks like me, they're way to busy helping fund a new orphanage in Nepal. Little wonder we working poor whites throng to tea parties. Heck, at least the right wing of the republican party makes an attempt (albeit a disengenuous one) to enagage us (and encourage us to wear our guns). When my U.I. benefits expire and I once again am homeless, I will take great solace in the fact that all the "progressives" in my town (must admit there ain't a whole heck of a lot of em here), are working hard to enact health care reform and having wine tastings to help raise money.
In parting, if you want to change things in this country, you need to start at ground zero. Help establish a food bank with organic local food in your community, donate health care services to the local poor, go hang out at a redneck bar, in short at least act like you care. Just like Al Quaida was able to enlist the poor, Dick Armey and his evil minions are able to tap into the righteous anger of the working poor. What we've got here is a classic example of working class blowback. Oh and by the way do you really think an out of work logger in Reids Port Oregon is going to vote for a "green" party candidate?
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» RE: Are You Kidding He Supports The Teaparty For Same Reason Blacks Support Democrats
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» Thanks for telling it like it is.
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Posted by: morgan1 on Nov 29, 2009 3:41 AM
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Posted by: longun45 on Nov 29, 2009 11:00 AM
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As always there are people who now want to enjoy the fruits of someone else's labors, and claim that they are entitled to equal results with out putting in the work necessary to secure those results. Why is that? (Hint: it’s why socialism always fails)
In other words we are supposed to carry dead weight. In real life it’s easy to say that you are owed something, you were taught that in school. That’s why you have no inkling of history, of government the way the American government was supposed to work. What you have instead is a 100 year history of continually progressive thinking that has ill prepared you for freedom. It has in stead prepared you for serfdom. Even at the college level they now preach serfdom.
The progressive thinking has always failed, mainly because it’s lazy thinking. The Socialist utopia is a wonderful idea but when it comes to practicality it fails because of human nature, and no amount of education will cure that, no amount of winning hearts and minds will cure that. There is always somebody on top. ( You know, the one who benefits the most.)
The socialist idea is that the state will take care of you, more and more people are finding that while it will take care of you, you won’t like the way it does actually take care of you. The state cannot fulfill it’s promises because there is not enough money to go around and support you in a lifestyle that you would enjoy. The state would first make slaves of you, oh it would be a soft slavery at first, but resist the system and it will be used to crush you. – Witness China in the Cultural Revolution. People starved and about 70 million died. Great results – huh!
The only system by which a man can honestly enjoy the fruits of his labors is under freedom. Yes capitalism has it’s many faults, but cheating people isn’t one of them. (That is until government gets into the picture and changes the game with unfair rules) Yes there are unequal results, but poverty comes from doing nothing and you can create wealth from your labors and you don’t cheat people with honest work, (oh dang there is that four lettered word again) Want proof? Look at Oprah – did she cheat people?
If there are any evil rich people then Oprah is one of them and she should be vilified, oh but wait she is a minority twice over, you cannot vilify her, but she is the evil rich is she not?
Socialism or progressivism (if you prefer) is the ANTITHESIS of opportunity. The only equality that can be achieved is one of opportunity, not outcome. This is a natural law and cannot be abrogated by some willy-nilly goody two shoes thinking. ALL who have tried it have failed. Witness in 1620 Jamestown. http://mises.org/story/336
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Posted by: Prinzowhales on Nov 29, 2009 3:16 PM
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Amazing! High-schoolers who can barely read can't get jobs when there are unemployed college graduates! Those damned 'right wingers'!!...they must have planned it...they always do!...It couldn't be that Goldman Sachs--those great Obama-supporting Progressives who have utterly betrayed the mouth-breathing chumps who flushed their votes down the clo for Obama--took trillions of dollars from Obama-gov and sent it abroad while letting said "chumps" lose their jobs...their homes...their futures...HOW VERY FRACKIN' PROGRESSIVE!...but, who needs a fracking right wing when you've got Goldman Sachs' dog--OBAMA!
What about CLIMATE-GATE?!!! Do you really care about some golfer hitting a damned fire plug?!!
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Posted by: mmckinl on Nov 28, 2009 12:50 AM
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Has the Alternet DC Bubble burst? Sure seems so as we now have a story about high school graduates and drop outs. The plight of the rust belt and those in agriculture is not new, it is just worse than ever.
Progressives had better get the word out that Obama's agenda is the antithesis of what a Progressive Agenda would look like. Progressives need seriously consider joining the Green Party, a real progressive party.
As far as I can tell Obama is a lost cause. It is not worth trying to revive a Democratic Party that always ends up being Republican Lite ... Progressives need to capture the imagination of the youth out there today. What the current bunch in Congress and the White House are leaving them is an inheritance of debt and destruction unparalleled in the generational politics of America.
Go Green ...
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Posted by: mmckinl on Nov 28, 2009 12:51 AM
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Has the Alternet DC Bubble burst? Sure seems so as we now have a story about high school graduates and drop outs. The plight of the rust belt and those in agriculture is not new, it is just worse than ever.
Progressives had better get the word out that Obama's agenda is the antithesis of what a Progressive Agenda would look like. Progressives need seriously consider joining the Green Party, a real progressive party.
As far as I can tell Obama is a lost cause. It is not worth trying to revive a Democratic Party that always ends up being Republican Lite ... Progressives need to capture the imagination of the youth out there today. What the current bunch in Congress and the White House are leaving them is an inheritance of debt and destruction unparalleled in the generational politics of America.
Go Green ...
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Posted by: mmckinl on Nov 28, 2009 12:52 AM
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Has the Alternet DC Bubble burst? Sure seems so as we now have a story about high school graduates and drop outs. The plight of the rust belt and those in agriculture is not new, it is just worse than ever.
Progressives had better get the word out that Obama's agenda is the antithesis of what a Progressive Agenda would look like. Progressives need seriously consider joining the Green Party, a real progressive party.
As far as I can tell Obama is a lost cause. It is not worth trying to revive a Democratic Party that always ends up being Republican Lite ... Progressives need to capture the imagination of the youth out there today. What the current bunch in Congress and the White House are leaving them is an inheritance of debt and destruction unparalleled in the generational politics of America.
Go Green ...
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Posted by: Richardsievert on Nov 28, 2009 6:35 AM
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Will you wait to see "your children's make up in a box, Cold as ice dead. You father's of the fallen?
Mother's of the laden bearing children for Americas stolen war' Made from the darkest water's of hell' It's time for civil war'
These fuckers are so dark' One filter would be toast with just one life it's so disgusting' "It would never work again' After the poison thing it tried to filter threw it's man made plan.
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Posted by: ETSpoon on Nov 28, 2009 7:37 AM
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Now this is not to say I never agree with those on the ideologically pure left (IPL.) I find I'm in accord with issue positions and criticisms of writers and activists like a Noam Chomsky or a Ralph Nader or an Alexander Cockburn or the Green Party 99 per cent of the time. It's just that one per cent that's the rub, being the IPL's willingness to throw in with the reactionary right in order to castigate the Democratic Party for some political offense or other, usually inattention to the poor or the environment.
As Adele Stan points out in the above paragraph the members of the IPL are by and large also members in good standing of the coordinator class, i.e. those who do not own the means of production but who run it on be half of the owners. This class, economically at the upper limits of what we in the United States call the "middle" class, now includes doctors, lawyers and college professors though many will try to deny this fact.
The crux of what is wrong with American politics and the political system is that all the great political battles of the day, health care, war, the environment, the economy, are being wages by members of the same socio-economic class, the coordinator class. The real difference between establishment Democrats and establishment Republicans is really very simple: Democrats are lawyers, Republicans are MBAs or at the very least insurance salesmen. And if you casually scan the bios of our US Senators and Congressman you find this a fairly accurate description to the point of stereotype. All our great political debates of the day are reduced to arguments over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, for both sides, Democrats and GOP, agree on the basic principals of the "free market" economic model.
So when members of the IPL level charges at both major political parties that there's not a dime's worth of difference, it's true. That is because most of the IPL are themselves members of the same socio-economic class, i.e. coordinator class, so they know it from the inside!
Let us remember that leading peace activist Chomsky is professor emeritus of a university, MIT, which is one of the leading recipients of Department of Defense contracts and grants! Nader, during his quixotic 2000 presidential bid, owned between $100,000 to $250,000 of shares in the Fidelity Magellan Fund. Cockburn is a collector of prized, gas guzzling American Fifties and Sixties automobiles. So while guilt by association is not admissible in a court of law, it should be in the court of public opinion.
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Posted by: sharonsylvie on Nov 28, 2009 9:51 AM
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What the article should have really focused on is how the Republicans can channel working class anger away from the real causes of their problems. How they blind people with crap about socialism, abortion, and gay marriage. How they scream about health care legislation and death panels as a government takeover when the bill is anything but. And how the media is complicit is keeping people stupid.
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Posted by: McGovern72! on Nov 28, 2009 9:53 AM
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Planet explodes! Women and minorities affected the most.
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Posted by: pg on Nov 28, 2009 10:42 AM
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2. The money he is spending is not creating jobs
3. Tea Party folks are not what you think. I know a 70 year old couple who are Tea Party folks who I help cut firewood on my property to heat their house. They are against the growth in government and high taxes. They are not astroturf as you claim. I don't go to tea parties but I agree with them.
4. I have no education beyond high school but I have made good money all my life due to a good work ethic that believes dedication and hard work will eventually be rewarded, too many people especially kids today have a sense of entitlement that the country owes them something like a job.
5. My wife is a teacher who prefers to work in poorer districts that are often minority and gang war zones where less than 20% graduate and less than 12% go to college. Most of the kids have no desire to do anything but get out of school and hit the streets and jobs programs will not help them because they have no work ethic or desire for success. Bring vocational training back into high schools where it used to be and many of the kids that are not academically oriented will be introduced to a path to success by finding talents and interests they do not know they have.
6. Obama is already a failed presidency.
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Posted by: Rusty Shackleford on Nov 28, 2009 11:44 AM
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Typical democrats, "Republican Lite," as I saw it accurately portrayed in an earlier comment.
Democrats don't do anything to relieve the plight of the poor.
Democrats view the federal government as able to solve all the peoples' problems. Wrong. That one term, "federal government," is the slip-up.
No. The federal government is too far, too distant, too disorganized and too crooked to make any "noticeable" changes at a local level. States need to start looking after the well-being of their populations, rather than waiting for the national government to do something. LOCAL city governments need to start doing things to help out their own little towns, instead of sitting tight, hoping that big brother national government will shoo away the recession.
Communities must turn INWARDS if they hope to survive.
Start creating virtual medeval villages, where you have a few surrounding farms, a cobbler, a taylor, a butcher, a baker, a candlestick maker, and all that jazz. Make governments decree that restaurants must use a certain percentage of their food from local farms. That stores must stock a large percentage of their products from locally grown or made areas.
No more of this "300 million people all hoping for one guy in a stagnant, fetid swamp will solve all our problems if we do what he says."
Time for local action. You want true local? Throw WalMart and Target out of your towns, and find a local family willing to open a general store. You want true local? Decree that every citizen must install a wind turbine on their property, and those who can't afford it will be assisted via city taxes.
It's not glitzy, but dammit, it's practical, and it's honest. And it's FAR better than the nightmarish world we've created now, where everything is interconnected across such vast distances, so if one thing goes down, the entire thing collapses.
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Posted by: Sojourner on Nov 28, 2009 12:07 PM
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We now have a government that shows it is unable to cope with out-of-control global capitalists. Offshoring jobs makes money. Blasting the tops off mountains makes money. Invading other nations makes money. Destroying nature makes money. Global warming makes money. Well, you get the point.
So long as our government can turn things to gold, we willingly sacrifice people to property.
Will we ever learn?
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Posted by: Ayla87 on Nov 28, 2009 12:10 PM
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I'm just speaking from experience here. As the screen name implies, I'm 22 years old. I only have a highschool diploma (that I didn't even try to earn). Yet every time I'm at a job fair or speaking with a recruiter, I hear them say to me, "I can tell you're smart/ educated/ capable. I can hear it in the way you speak.
Again, I have no college degree. All I have is a highschool diploma, and more importantly, a library card that's used quite often. I wonder if there's a connection...
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Posted by: Richardsievert on Nov 28, 2009 2:12 PM
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November 28th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
lol to free men
If i was president this country would’ Have the angel’s bowing down at our great majesty’ I would have a system in place that would free every slave, Every prisoner and give them all job’s I would be ending every program ever created after’ Dixon from every president even after him Ending all laws created by any of them.
Whoever does needs to make things wright with the people that have been used by a system that is fair and creativity is UN Chained.
We must enter space. If I was president I wouldn't have to worry about any term'
Because the people would once again all have faith in you'
Not this current governed mess that they want to burn.
Please Obadiah read this I think it might be to late though? You lost your turn that money you spent could have made your country great' By just one thing I planned to do, Witch was just make the roadway's threw ground making'
"Cities great' And new ones that never will even get there name.
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Posted by: Pissed Off Woman on Nov 28, 2009 4:21 PM
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Read "Red State Blue State Rich State Poor State" by Andrew Gelman, and you'll be reminded of the obvious fact our idiot media tries so hard to deny: low-income people vote overwhelmingly Democrat. Rich people vote overwhelmingly Republican. So the idea that jobless or soon-to-be-jobless high school grads are going to turn en masse to conservatism is laughable at best.
The dangers of ideologically motivated "Tea Party" protesters have been overstated. Looking beyond the corporate media spin, you'll see that the numbers of anti-war protesters have consistently been much higher. And although some carry guns to meetings, they are NOT a militia movement--their organization is geared toward the normal political process, not armed revolt. In my opinion, the real danger will come much later--when our elite Democrat and Republican parties have made the income gap in this country so extreme that there are enough starving people to start food riots. It's happened already in many other countries, due to rising food prices driven by bumper harvests and ethanol demand. It can happen here.
And another thing--personally, I don't think much of Obama's health care bill. It would force me to buy health insurance, which, according to the Health Reform Subsidy Calculator, would mean I'd pay approximately $135/month. Not as bad as the coverage my employer "offers", which is around $300/month and the reason why I'm uninsured, but a) I live in a high-rent area, and b) my income isn't always the same from month to month; I cobble together a living from several intermittent jobs. The last thing I need is another fixed cost. I'm not going to fight for anything less than single payer--the "public option" won't cut it for me.
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Posted by: pauldd on Nov 28, 2009 4:34 PM
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Somehow I came to the conclusion that this was due to the right leaning tilt in the corporate news board rooms, not the lack of progressive ideas, literature and activism. Silly me.
"Obama's approval numbers, according to a Gallup poll released this week, have fallen 22 points among whites."
I'm one of those 'whites' (if for some reason that makes a difference) and my approval of Obama has fallen explicitly due to his swing to the right or unnecessary compromises on economic stimuli, financial sector regulation reform, health care reform, the two wars he's continued or escalated and on a lesser scale his failure to follow through on repeal of DODT.
"It's time for liberal leaders to embark on a path that connects progressive goals to the plight of everyday people."
As Thomas Frank asked, "What's the Matter with Kansas?"
The failure I see is the failure of liberals/progressives to invest in media since the late '70s leading to an overwhelming structural imbalance in the number of voices and the breadth of ideas on the TV, radio and in print media. Well connected and well-to-do conservatives began the process soon after the Watergate scandal unfolded (e.g. Sung Myung Moon) while liberals bet on the belief that truth, justice and progressive ideals would win on their strength alone.
They failed to learn what Joseph Goebbels knew: "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." On the other hand, conservatives took it to heart.
In the end, if her reasons are off base, Stan's prescription is correct. There is a paucity of strong progressive voices in the mainstream media and in government. Let's all keep up the pressure to make our voices heard.
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Posted by: BobbyGreyFriar on Nov 28, 2009 6:23 PM
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However, I remain skeptical of progressives playing on constructive role--the average progressive has too much money, lives too comfortably and it is too smug to even admit the existence of class let alone fight for an economic and political reversal.
Regarding the specific article, the author still refuses to admit the basic facts, Obama was a corporate stooge before he knew he as running for office, the DP represents the same oligarchic elite as the RP and finally, to date progressives have sided with power at almost every turn (cf. dirtygreeniehippie.blogspot.com)--that the Saviors of the Universe pose (repeated here) has so far been vain pretense.
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For Example The English Lake District...
And You Produce This Enormous Image That Looks Beautiful From a Mile Back
But as You Travel Towards It You See More and More and More and More and More DETAIL
Such That Within This Scene You Can See The Real Beauty Of LIFE
He said - well why haven't you done it yet?
I said I tried - Yes I know photo stitch software but to take on this job properly you would need THOUSANDS Of Photographers Recording The Most Intimate Details of The Sex Life of a Grasshopper...
It is actually quite hard to explain this concept even to an incredibly talented artist - who I keep saying to him take your Love Away
If she says any more to me, then I am going to completely fall in Love with Your Wife
Like Absolutely Everyone Does With Mine
We were Expecting about 10 people back tonight
Not Half The Bleedin Pub...
But I kept saying and pointing to this Angel
Who was so Completely and Utterley Lovely To Everyone...
You See that Girl There...
She is My Wife
And I Love Her So
Tony
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Posted by: scremf on Nov 28, 2009 11:07 PM
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Now I know I've probably raised a few hackles here, but like the old proverb says "the truth hurts". Before I go too much further perhaps a bit of personal history is in order.
I'm a white trash 55 year old male living in a 20' motorhome in beautiful downtown Palinville Alaska (I can see Putins house). My nearest neighbors are hooked on oxycon and lord knows what else and wake me up at all hours of the morning. My father died when I was 11 and I quit school at 17 to go logging in Washington State, an occupation I worked in until I was 37 and too crippled to continue. Obviously there's more but don't want to bore you with details, only wanted to highlight my working class credentials.
The sad truth is that the author is correct. Most "progressives" never think a heck of a lot about folks like me, they're way to busy helping fund a new orphanage in Nepal. Little wonder we working poor whites throng to tea parties. Heck, at least the right wing of the republican party makes an attempt (albeit a disengenuous one) to enagage us (and encourage us to wear our guns). When my U.I. benefits expire and I once again am homeless, I will take great solace in the fact that all the "progressives" in my town (must admit there ain't a whole heck of a lot of em here), are working hard to enact health care reform and having wine tastings to help raise money.
In parting, if you want to change things in this country, you need to start at ground zero. Help establish a food bank with organic local food in your community, donate health care services to the local poor, go hang out at a redneck bar, in short at least act like you care. Just like Al Quaida was able to enlist the poor, Dick Armey and his evil minions are able to tap into the righteous anger of the working poor. What we've got here is a classic example of working class blowback. Oh and by the way do you really think an out of work logger in Reids Port Oregon is going to vote for a "green" party candidate?
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As always there are people who now want to enjoy the fruits of someone else's labors, and claim that they are entitled to equal results with out putting in the work necessary to secure those results. Why is that? (Hint: it’s why socialism always fails)
In other words we are supposed to carry dead weight. In real life it’s easy to say that you are owed something, you were taught that in school. That’s why you have no inkling of history, of government the way the American government was supposed to work. What you have instead is a 100 year history of continually progressive thinking that has ill prepared you for freedom. It has in stead prepared you for serfdom. Even at the college level they now preach serfdom.
The progressive thinking has always failed, mainly because it’s lazy thinking. The Socialist utopia is a wonderful idea but when it comes to practicality it fails because of human nature, and no amount of education will cure that, no amount of winning hearts and minds will cure that. There is always somebody on top. ( You know, the one who benefits the most.)
The socialist idea is that the state will take care of you, more and more people are finding that while it will take care of you, you won’t like the way it does actually take care of you. The state cannot fulfill it’s promises because there is not enough money to go around and support you in a lifestyle that you would enjoy. The state would first make slaves of you, oh it would be a soft slavery at first, but resist the system and it will be used to crush you. – Witness China in the Cultural Revolution. People starved and about 70 million died. Great results – huh!
The only system by which a man can honestly enjoy the fruits of his labors is under freedom. Yes capitalism has it’s many faults, but cheating people isn’t one of them. (That is until government gets into the picture and changes the game with unfair rules) Yes there are unequal results, but poverty comes from doing nothing and you can create wealth from your labors and you don’t cheat people with honest work, (oh dang there is that four lettered word again) Want proof? Look at Oprah – did she cheat people?
If there are any evil rich people then Oprah is one of them and she should be vilified, oh but wait she is a minority twice over, you cannot vilify her, but she is the evil rich is she not?
Socialism or progressivism (if you prefer) is the ANTITHESIS of opportunity. The only equality that can be achieved is one of opportunity, not outcome. This is a natural law and cannot be abrogated by some willy-nilly goody two shoes thinking. ALL who have tried it have failed. Witness in 1620 Jamestown. http://mises.org/story/336
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Amazing! High-schoolers who can barely read can't get jobs when there are unemployed college graduates! Those damned 'right wingers'!!...they must have planned it...they always do!...It couldn't be that Goldman Sachs--those great Obama-supporting Progressives who have utterly betrayed the mouth-breathing chumps who flushed their votes down the clo for Obama--took trillions of dollars from Obama-gov and sent it abroad while letting said "chumps" lose their jobs...their homes...their futures...HOW VERY FRACKIN' PROGRESSIVE!...but, who needs a fracking right wing when you've got Goldman Sachs' dog--OBAMA!
What about CLIMATE-GATE?!!! Do you really care about some golfer hitting a damned fire plug?!!
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