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Why Won't Obama Give You a Job?
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Working Americans continue to suffer from the worst financial crash since the Great Depression, and Washington has so far offered up only band-aids to help them out -- extended unemployment benefits, small stimulus checks and deeply flawed mortgage relief programs that have done little to stem the tide of foreclosures.
The stimulus plan passed earlier this year appears to have been too modest in scope, as many economists warned at the time. While it helped halt the economy’s free-fall collapse, unemployment still topped 10.2 percent last week, and analysts warn us that “bleak data point to a stark future for job seekers and employers.”
But while caution’s prevailed in Washington when it comes to bailing out “Main Street,” Wall Street’s enjoyed a degree of socialism that would make Hugo Chavez blush. The Obama administration has essentially continued Bush’s policy of loading up dump trucks with tax dollars at the Treasury and dropping them on the banks with little oversight and next to no strings attached.
And it’s had an effect, at least on the banks’ bottom lines. AIG, the insurance giant whose near-collapse last year almost brought down the entire financial system, reported its second consecutive quarterly profit after being rescued by Uncle Sam. Unlike American workers, the company is getting back on its feet after an injection of an almost impossible-to-grasp number of tax-dollars.
AIG’s fortunes are not unique. All of Wall Street’s survivors are raking in massive profits and paying their execs and traders record bonuses.
The disconnect between the banks’ fortunes and those of working Americans makes the question posed by a recent “news analysis” by Washington Post staff writer Alec MacGillis so relevant: “Why Won’t Obama Give You a Job?”
MacGillis writes that while the White House says the stimulus passed earlier in the year “created or saved” 640,000 jobs, the “national unemployment rate has now hit 10.2 percent,” and asks:
Why has a White House that talks so much about boosting employment steered clear of the most direct strategy that could keep Americans on the job?
Since taking office, the Obama administration has studiously avoided paying people to go to work, which could be accomplished by subsidizing workers' private-sector employment or by creating new government-paid jobs. There are programs in a handful of states that financially compensate employees who cut their hours … But the Obama administration has so far opted not to expand this initiative. And aside from a small summer employment program for young people, it has not sought to create jobs on the public payroll, something the country did in the 1930s and 1970s.
MacGillis offers that “engaging in more forthright job creation could invite some political pitfalls (such as those constant accusations of socialism),” and then asks: “but is double-digit unemployment any less a political risk?”
It’s the kind of rationalism that can blind political observers, and ultimately MacGillis leaves the disconnect between policy and politics unaddressed.
There are competing explanations for Democrats’ habitual timidity when they have an opportunity to govern. Take your pick: internal party politics -- skewed Rightwards by the influence of the Blue Dogs -- the Dems’ reliance on fat campaign contributions from Wall Street; an institutional fear of “those constant accusations of socialism”; the organizing skills of their conservative opponents or the fact that the White House policy apparatus is packed with Clinton administration vets, former Wall Streeters and other adherents to classical economic orthodoxy.
Whatever the case, the moves they’ve made to offer relief to ordinary working families haven’t been as bold as their interventions in the financial sector. Not only did many economists view the stimulus package as too small relative to the depth of our economic malaise, but a good chunk of the funds went for tax cuts, and for long-term investments, like “green energy” subsidies, which have limited bang for the buck in terms of generating jobs over the short haul.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Nov 17, 2009 12:27 AM
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They are lying through their teeth about the real unemployment rate ... Thanks to the adjustment of the business birth-death model in the Payroll Survey 86,000 ghost jobs were magically added last month,that's over a million ghost jobs this year, conjured from behind a desk.
A look at the Household Survey showed that job losses are once again taking off ... That survey showed 589,000 jobs lost last month alone, not the 190,000 lost jobs they reported!
And those jobs the Stimulus Bill created? Well it seems they counted new jobs where people in existing jobs got raises as new jobs. Just today we find out that some f those stimulus jobs just didn't exist! Ya just can't make this stuff up.
The real unemployment rate is over 20% and that doesn't include the millions of high school and college grads looking for their first job ...
Caveat :If and until banks are solvent all that stimulus gets sucked into oblivion …
Real employment and stimulus initiatives are; a 30 hour workweek, The USG putting a floor under people to replace the tattered safety net by guaranteeing everyone, single payer health care, unlimited though depreciating unemployment insurance. By making working hours shorter but reducing employee expenses more workers get hired, more businesses get established and more entrepreneurs have freedom from health care worries …
We could implement a carbon tax to be disbursed per capita. This serves two purposes. gets real money right where it is needed and pushes people away from energy consumption. Exports would get tax credits …
We need a 20% tariff, all countries do. This helps to keep economies diversified and insulates them from external subsidies, predatory pricing, currency manipulation and tax shopping …
Our current situation is far beyond simple individual measures and needs a package of bold and radical initiatives to even stem the unemployment tide.
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» To say that the Household survey was horrible would be an understatement.
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» Yet even under this optimistic scenario, unemployment will still be above 10% at the end of 2014
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» Who is AGAINST it is the question
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» Here's one guess
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» btw, I wasn't implying anything about mmckinl
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» RE: btw, I wasn't implying anything about mmckinl
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» I agree.
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» RE: I agree.
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Posted by: whealeydj on Nov 17, 2009 12:46 AM
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» RE: wishy washy blue dogs tied Obama's hands
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» ROTFLMAO!!!!! yup, that about sums it up succinctly: rivers do run down stream...lol
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» Blue Dogs = Republicans. Stop calling them Democrats.
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» It was exposed after McKinney lost the primary to another dem, that Rahm & Pelosi recruited repubs
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» RE: wishy washy blue dogs tied Obama's hands
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Posted by: itsallbs on Nov 17, 2009 2:11 AM
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I had to laugh at that statement because the only things we have left to export is weapons.
Now I am as pro defense as the next guy, but shouldn't we actually manufacture something other than guns and airplanes if we are to extricate ourselves from this morass.
Unless we take back our manufacturing jobs from overseas, we will continue to decline into a nation of servitude. That means the poor servicing the rich for you neonutcons who can't seem to tell the difference between what's good for you vs. what's good for the wealthy.
As long as you continue to vote against your best interests, nothing will actually change.
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» You misunderstood the radio comment...
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» RE: Jobs?
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» RE: Jobs?
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Posted by: RICHARD RALPH ROEHL on Nov 17, 2009 2:19 AM
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Well... it is the patriotic duty of every fat-ass Amerikan consumer citizen to:
1. $upport der glorious [sic] troops in Iraq-nam... and other corp-rat war profiteering $cams!
2. $alute der glorious [sic] flag... and in-heil to the Chief! (no inhaling!)
3. Pray to Jeeezass... our "Lord an' $avior."
4. Bend over for the ethno/racist theocrazy of Israel.
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» Damn, Richard, I'm OH fer FOUR
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» And buy all the cheap Chinese crap
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Posted by: weathered on Nov 17, 2009 2:34 AM
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Nov 17, 2009 2:41 AM
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1) Obama, Emmanuel, and company are machine politicians. They are running the Democratic Party in the Chicago mold. Their actions are calculated to shore up and strengthen the party machine, with little or no attention to the desires of the voters.
Or
2) We have another incompetent ex-cokehead in the White House.
Thank you, progressives! Either way, the Bammer is a One-Termer. :)
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» At least you're consistent in your ignorance
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» Emanuel is Likud
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» Well said, Bravo!
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» For which, of course, you have no proof
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» Ask Netanyahu
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» The Pharisees still rule?
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» RE: The Pharisees still rule?
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» RE: The Pharisees still rule?
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» He's also Mossad, that is why he is in charge now of Cheneys little death squad domestically.
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» Two possibilities
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» I have been right too many times to be nuts, so I must be inconsequential, but then with people like
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» You have never been right
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Posted by: SkeeterVT1 on Nov 17, 2009 2:48 AM
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Senator Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont) is right: If they're too big to fail, then they're too big to exist. I will go further and say that these mega-ciorporations are illegal under federal anti-trust laws.
The time is past due to pressure the Justice Department to enforce our anti-trust laws and BREAK UP these mega-corporations into smaller firms.
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» Yes, corporations are giant UNIONS of money
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Posted by: adp3d on Nov 17, 2009 3:36 AM
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» I intend to boycott
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Posted by: Richardsievert on Nov 17, 2009 4:24 AM
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Did they listen no it's not in the best interest for, Mega corporations to make a
"Profit by a, Prophet' But there even wrong! And whoever is preventing this is evil more so than even the Devil himself, Because innocent lives are taken' Every single day on our highways of hate and they all could be prevented every one of them. By putting all roadways even threw ground.
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Posted by: ZPaul on Nov 17, 2009 4:28 AM
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» Ah, the Donald Trump business model
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Posted by: Farasien on Nov 17, 2009 5:17 AM
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» RE: "Water for everyone' + some
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Posted by: Farasien on Nov 17, 2009 5:16 AM
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As I keep saying, the only way to fix this nation is to remove its government, imprison or kill its leaders (no, not 'throw them out of office'- voting only works if corruption hasn't infected the pollsters- and it HAS-ask emperor bu$h!) burn the old institutions to the ground and start over. The USA is infected by a pervasive and rapidly metasticizing cancer. The only way you can treat cancer is to burn it out with chemo and nuke it with radiation- in effect, to kill it so that the body, now free of the malady, can recover. You can't reason with it, you can't ignore it and can't just 'live with it' as it WILL eventually kill you. Its survival of the fittest, and the sooner we come to grips that the only way to fix the real problems of the nation, as they stand, is to drown them in blood, the faster we can recover from it. There is going to be blood one way or the other at this point, and if we don't wake up soon, its going to be OURS that runs in the gutters.
Its beyond just 'getting back to normal' at this point- its rapidly fazing into a question of weather we can come back at all, or if we head back to the dark ages, maybe forever.
It may already be too late.
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» Farasein you're stupid. Our economy is already recovering. credit is easing and job loss is slowing
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» ...and Yellow, you're willfully blind!
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Posted by: weathered on Nov 17, 2009 5:24 AM
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» The wealthy will be protected by the stupid serfs.
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» A "FRIGGEN" MEN ON THAT ONE!!!!!!!!
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» Fienberg the 'payoff/bribe' czar from Hell
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» "An eyesore in our nation" What a shallow way of regarding homelessness and hunger.
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» RE: Correction: "MORAL eyesore"
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Posted by: lclark on Nov 17, 2009 6:27 AM
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During this past year few years agricultural products have become another item where this country, once referred to as the breadbasket of the world, has a trade deficit. Yearly some 63% of our fruits and vegetables are now imported along with 1.5 billion lbs of beef, while American family farmers can�t sell their product and go out of business. And the cost of groceries have not dropped but increased. Rather its the profits of multinationals that control the production, distribution, and sale of this food has increased. And those profits are used to buy a Senator and accelerate the destruction of family farms.
Two farmers well acquainted with the situation of the American family farmer were interviewed. Ron Wilson, an apple grower in the Yakima valley mentioned how the number of buyers for apples has been consolidated in recent years from 150 to 5, and the amount that American farmers get for their product, when they can sell it, has been reduced even as the markup on fruit has gone from 50% to up to 300%. There is no profit to the American farmer who produces food, but growing profit to the corporations that control its delivery to markets. Ron mentioned how the local asparagus farmers are now going under because the local packer will no longer buy from them but imports his product from South America.
The 2nd farmer interviewed, Bill Shepard from Oklahoma told a similar story of a local watermelon farmer that made an agreement with a local grocer to sell his watermelons. The following day the agreement was cancelled. The grocer said his distributor told him that if he purchased local produce the distributor would stop delivery of goods to his store�.that�s the true face of �free trade�. Bill relayed a story of another local farmer who left his sweet potatoes to rot in the field because he could not even get the cost of digging them at 2 cents a lb while the local grocery was selling them at 79 cents a lb.
Bill noted that for vegetables the situation is even more controlled and that 3 buyers control 90% of the food that makes it to groceries, and that these buyers and distributors simply restrict their buying to subsidiaries in South America�.that is the true face of �free trade�: corporate, monopolistic, and destructive to the American economy while it concentrate more wealth into the hands of multinationals. The wide division of the wealthy and the poor of Mexico is the model of our future.
And it is not simply our economic deconstruction. Bill took a visit to Mexico and visited the corporate vegetable fields. What he described sounded like a scene from a dark, dark sci-fi film. He looked out over fields watered from the sewage lagoons of Mexico City. As the hundreds of peasants picked the broccoli plants a plane passes over the field spraying DDT. And because the grower was an American corporation, this DDT sprayed broccoli would arrive at your grocery in some form, fresh or frozen, labeled an American produced product. That too is the true face of �free trade�, our representatives (overlords, really) that speak of a �culture of life� and �family values�. Whose family is it that they value? It is not the family of the American farmer or worker, or the families of the peasants they poison and exploit in third world countries.
The Donket's and Elephants are grazing on the Hill. When they relieve themselves it trickles down ro the citizens.
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» RE: It's the Corportocracy......
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» RE: It's the Corportocracy......
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» RE: It's the Corportocracy......
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» RE: It's the Corportocracy......
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» Legally, Corporations must try to make as much profit as possible
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Posted by: warrior woman on Nov 17, 2009 6:45 AM
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Relate that to warresisters charts combining military w/ VA and interest on military spending loans here: http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm Total Outlays (Federal Funds): $2,650 billion MILITARY: 54% and $1,449 billion NON-MILITARY: 46% and $1,210 billion.
Add that to the trillions in bank bailouts and we have a problem, don't we? Can we talk "entitlement" programs now? That is why the Blue Dogs are going to go after Social Security again: http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-
entry/2009114613/its-baack-catfood-
commission#comment-12133
I want to make special note that RAD talked about the "middle class" armed forces. THAT is where the jobs are today. Do we need a draft as Bill Moyers dared our government to produce if we escalate in Afghanistan: http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/
heather/bill-moyers-bring-back-draft where it costs $1 million per soldier per year http://www.opednews.com/articles/Afghan-
Escalation-Would-Ma-by-David-Sirota-
091116-625.html?
Last, note that our military spending is far above Cheney's wish list of 3.8% equivalent to the GDP, per Baker, it is now 5.6%.
Federal Spending, 2001-2008: Defense Is a Rapidly Growing Share of the Budget, While Domestic Appropriations Have Shrunk
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=125
Note the amounts of the private contractor awards in the military here: 2014 or Bust: The Pentagon's Building Boom in Afghanistan Indicates a Long War Ahead Thursday 05 November 2009
by: Nick Turse | TomDispatch.com
http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175135 http://www.truthout.org/1106091
Massive Defense Spending Leads to Job Loss
Dean Baker
http://www.cepr.net/index.php/op-eds-&-
columns/op-eds-&-columns/defense-spending-job-loss/ "In the most recent quarter, defense spending was equal to 5.6 percent of GDP. By comparison, before the September 11th attacks, the Congressional Budget Office projected that defense spending in 2009 would be equal to just 2.4 percent of GDP. Our post-September 11th build-up was equal to 3.2 percentage points of GDP compared to the pre-attack baseline. This means that the Global Insight projections of job loss are far too low."
Compare to:
REBUILDING AMERICA’S DEFENSES
http://www.newamericancentury.org/
RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf Pg 3 “Today, America spends less than 3 percent of its gross domestic product on national defense, less than at any time since before the Untied States established itself as the world’s leading power and a cut from 4.7 percent of DGP in 1992, the first real post-Cold-War defense budget…pg23 Make efforts to improve the quality of soldier life to sustain the current “middle class” army….pg 51 Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event- like a new Pearl Harbor…..pg75 Nevertheless, we believe that, over time, the program we advocate would require budgets roughly equal to those necessary to fully fund the QDR force- a minimum level of 3.5 to 3.8 percent of gross domestic product.
Private Contractor spending: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-soltz/
-peter-to-kill-paul_b_355061.html
Paying Peter to Kill Paul
How the US Funds the Taliban
By Aram Roston
This article appeared in the November 30, 2009 edition of The Nation.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20091130/roston
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Posted by: CitizenWhy on Nov 17, 2009 6:57 AM
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Instead the banks are putting the money into foreign bonds at 3-6% interest, money they received or borrowed at 0-1% interests from the Fed or FDIC. Smart guys. Dumb government giving away our tax revenues with no restrictions.
How come there is no Congressional hearing to get the biggest banks to give a detailed accounting of how they used the money? Because it would show how stupidly Congress acted.
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» Congress didn't act stupidly
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» EXACTLY!!!!! Nothing stupid about that. There are now 44 millionaires in congress and growing...
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» RE: Worse than that: 44% of Congress...
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» Oh, my Gawd, I misread it.... your right, that is way worse.
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» RE: Good Post
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Posted by: Richardsievert on Nov 17, 2009 7:04 AM
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"Out of our country' Before they cause world war three. Or it will be other countries attacking us, Because we cannot pay our debt's because Clinton and Bush baby' Outsourced our jobs then bankrupted our country so which one will it be for not listening to me I told Alabama how to fix the system' Completely and all I got was and offer to have donuts with him and dick, At there weekly public geek off session;
"in Washington' They do not listen to intelligent idea's that will work' They listen to the cash monopoly and the "money changers' who put us in this mess' In-tell we get those, Argent cash givers out of DC' Things will never change. One of the things I told them was to put all rail, "Threw ground' To stop the needless deaths that Railroads cause. 30 children a year are killed by trains 50 adults and yea it does not add up to as many car fatalities but maybe they are partly from the same cause easy access to roads by pedestrians causes death.
Did they listen no it's not in the best interest for, Mega corporations to make a prophet but there even wrong! And whoever is preventing this is evil more so than even the Devil himself because innocent lives are taken' Every single year on our highways and they all could be prevented every one of them. By putting all roadways even threw ground. ending all water deprivation every city state and town by channeling it all to there needed city and state agriculture areas that are hardest hit with drought I am sick and tired of hearing about no water, Here or there when this idea of mine would give everyone all the water they wanted by letting this system catch and distribute it every American needed it. Everyone would have a job every heavy equipment operator' and we might even need some Mexican mussel for this. Also prison power' use this to help give people incarcerated a way to reprove themselves, And make them feel human again. And if these mongol corporations don't like this because it gives no profit ask them where there going to get there water from in the next drought I cause for not listing to me.
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Posted by: picket on Nov 17, 2009 7:23 AM
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Never fear US College Grads there are waiter/waitress jobs, and low paying health care entry level positions available and you can retrain in just a few weeks !!!!
Do our elected servants even care?
....It costs $1 Million to keep a soldier in Afghanistan for on year. USA does produce WMD's in some STATES.
...There are 2.5 millionaires in the US at the end of 2008 and 44% OR 237 of them are serving in the US CONGRESS. Look at how they smile and joke with each other !!!!
49 million Americans faced "FOOD INSECURITY" in 2008, otherwise known as HUNGER. HELLO!!! Our people are FAT because cheap meals are provided for $2.00 at fast food corporation centers. To cook you need a roof over your heads.
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» RE: CORPORATISTS ARE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT JOBS IN USA...
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» RE: CORPORATISTS ARE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT JOBS IN USA...
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» Correction Re Millionaires...1% of Americans are millionaires..44% of those in Congress are
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Posted by: lclark on Nov 17, 2009 7:37 AM
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Vote and vote 3rd party...ANY third party of your choice.
Anyone on the ballot not in the Donkey or Elephant herd.
"All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others."
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» Yes, but first select which one everyone should pick, frankly
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 17, 2009 8:41 AM
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» RE: SPREAD THE JOBS A LITTLE THINNER
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Posted by: eosrk on Nov 17, 2009 8:49 AM
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» RE: 2000 years?
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» RE: 2000 years?
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Posted by: bh on Nov 17, 2009 8:50 AM
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» OR unless, we, the American workers, REBUILD THE DAMN THING WITHOUT the bankers...
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Posted by: pg on Nov 17, 2009 9:01 AM
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Government is killing jobs through taxation and regulation.
California and Michigan are perfect examples.
Business are fleeing from heavy Government interference in job creation.
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» RE: You expect government to "GIVE" you a job?
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» Brilliant response
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» No, no, you have that all wrong. Businesses were fleeing from accountability, real competition, and
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» RE: No, no, you have that all wrong. Businesses were fleeing from accountability, real competition,
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» They'll continue fleeing as long as there's no penalty only incentive
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» It won't come then either. This is different, this is about a global slave workforce... get it???
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Posted by: djnoll on Nov 17, 2009 10:07 AM
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Our economy is still in freefall - and anyone who says different has their head in the sand. Our unemployment is still rising, our manufacturing sector is nearly non-existent, entire segments of our economy are controlled by only a handful of companies, our agricultural segment is dominated by corporations that are creating unhealthy food and decimated land, and our education system is destroyed almost to the point of non-recovery. Folks, we are in bad shape, and if we wait for the politicians to safe us, we are doomed.
Joshua is right - the economic stimulus was too small, but thanks to the GOP, the Blue Dogs, and the likes of FOX media and ignorant Tea Partiers, it was all that could get passed. It did not work in the way it should have as a result - but I do not see anyone standing up and taking credit for the failure from among that crowd. Do we need another stimulus package? Probably, but it needs to be structured differently, and it needs broad public support, which it may never get thanks to the media that likes crisis rather than solution. So what are we to do? We roll up our sleeves and we put ourselves to work.
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» RE: Note to the President: It is not 1999! (Part 2)
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Posted by: badkitty on Nov 17, 2009 10:37 AM
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And I can remember the jobs programs of the Seventies, back when we actually had an economy that (sort of) worked, and how even though Nixon put this program in, the coming conservative Republican majority hated it. Since the Blue Dogs resemble Nixon, someone is going to have to stomp on them hard in order to get a real jobs program like the WPA.
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Posted by: oregoncharles on Nov 17, 2009 11:38 AM
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And "TIMIDITY?" Will we ever get past this ridiculous DP spin? Just ask the Clintons: are Obama and his people "timid"? Are Congresspeople who defy their constituents' anger "timid"? And I don't mean the Teabaggers, whom they played up as an excuse for inaction, I mean us. I mean all those unemployable young people who fell for the scam.
Back to the basics: The Democrats have COMPLETE, UNQUALIFIED CONTROL OF THE GOVERNMENT, the whole trifecta. So there they are, doing the Full Monty with no Republican fig leaf and their real agenda hanging out for all to see. What they do is who they are. They can try to hide it by playing up the big, bad, crazy Republicans (who play along with the game, of course), but it's really just silly, a charade meant to rally our support for their poor, beleaguered, utterly powerful selves.
They'll be SO relieved when they lose ground in Congress next year. My guess is they'll keep control, because nobody wants the R's in charge, including the R's, but they won't have unqualified control: narrow margins in both houses. And then we'll hear plaintive cries about how they were just too "liberal" (expletives deleted), so they have to be even more "bipartisan" (decode: giving the bankers and insurance companies EVERYTHING they want.)
My suggestion: we should play along with that electoral game, not by voting for Republicans, but by voting and campaigning for REAL progressives - the Green Party, or whoever else you can find that's equivalent. Next year, we may have a real shot at putting a few in office, because the Dems are vulnerable at a time when NOBODY wants the Republicans back; at the least, if you "spoil" the race for a Democrat, they know they lost because they weren't progressive ENOUGH. That's pressure where it counts - on Nov. 6.
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» Its what happens when you have a fascist run gov. The terminator is also owned....
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Posted by: yesman on Nov 17, 2009 2:58 PM
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Then, we could have taken the several trillion dollars which we gave to the crooks and used that money to create jobs for, and save the homes of, working Americans (you know, the kind who actually contribute something to our economy). Several trillion dollars would have supplied a LOT of economic security for working people, whatever happened on Wall Street.
Instead, we've gotten the usual "socialism for the rich" and f#@k everyone else. It's time to clean house, one way or another, both on Wall Street and in Washington.
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Posted by: richholland on Nov 17, 2009 7:51 PM
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The socialism wasnt that good in the production of consumer goods. BUt at least there was job security and health care for all.
I hope Alternat.org once will publish an article re. the Swedish model;
a combination of socialdemocratic policy and Capitalisme.
I also should like to know; what is the situation in Canada???
Your present economical system CREATED this mess, HOW on earth you think that the virus that made you ill can cure you??
If the bonuses of the bankers are used for jobs this would benefit the whole country.
And believe if OBAMA would tell the nation he would do so, millions of unemployed and minimum wage guys would protest; Donot touch the money of my Boss.
The freedom to cash billions means poverty for millions.
On TV I saw a young couple living in their car; The boy said Still I am happy to be in America instead of that socialistic Europe.
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Posted by: Southern Gal on Nov 18, 2009 8:28 AM
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We hear people complaining about the lack of jobs, but we can't find people willing to do the smaller jobs in the yard and around the house even though we are willing to pay them what they ask. We also try to spread the jobs around when possible. For example using two different electricians to correct some wiring problems and install energy efficent security lights.
I believe that we should shift to regional manufacturing and food supply. Since this county has lost several industries to other countries, we have facilities standing idle. This is probably true for other counties. Perhaps we could get better made products and certainly employ people.
The community college is offering job training courses and the local government seems to be trying to get new industries and business in. I worry about the working people and how they are going to earn a living or simply survive in these times. Local governments are doing as much as they can, but this global economy has decimated local economies and job markets. The Obama administration needs to step up and put serious funds and programs in place to establish support for main street and build jobs. There are no more important issues right now. In the meantime, some of the unemployed workers might want to check out local neighborhoods and implement the small jobs that are available to earn money.
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Posted by: Gentle Axeman on Nov 19, 2009 4:19 PM
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Little bit of a grass roots....but then, he's forgot a bit, how that works...
Lotsa pork got cleared out though....That stuff only trickles so far...
Expect more.....
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Posted by: WeimMom on Nov 19, 2009 4:33 PM
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http://www.numbersusa.com/
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Posted by: edthefed on Nov 20, 2009 4:37 AM
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While I do have some advantages not everybody like myself has, such as: a high school diploma/ no felonies(so far, lol!)/ strong family support I earned by taking care of my late grandfather/ good looks & intelligence, I also have a lot working against me to this day. And because of my unfortunate situation, it's harder than ever to find work right now. But I know in the long run, things will improve provided I keep pushing for it.
On the other hand, there's my lifelong friend, Dean. He's worked hard his whole life, slowly climbing the ladder of success in order to realize his own idea of the "American Dream". While I was slipping and falling, he went from working at a pizza joint to doing sheet metal fabrication work, then trade school and on to becoming a Heating and Cooling Repair Tech. Now he works for a nation-wide company fixing and manufacturing A/C units for railroad cars, has a faithful wife and 4 kids, owns his own house, etc. But here just in the past week or so, his job started cutting back on work-hours, causing him to lose a whole day's wages. His wife had to take maternity leave to have their new baby boy, and just started back full time at her job, while bills and expenses keep piling up. (You know the economy's bad when the railroad industry starts making cuts). He'll probably get through it all without suffering as bad as a lot of unemployed families are right now, but who knows what could happen in the future?
And through all these grim economic times, when people world-wide are getting left behind even more than ever in the past few years, some literally starving to death; the fortunate few are doing better than ever! In fact, the greediest and most cold-blooded are actually exploiting the situation to benefit themselves in every way possible while our elected and/or appointed officials keep wasting time and trillions of dollars, not to mention throughing away the lives of 100s of millions of people like it's all a game!!! It's time for the masses to organize and put a stop to this b.s. before it really is too late, no matter how heinous things get. Will the REAL Sister Freedom and Lady Justice please stand up?
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Posted by: textynn on Nov 22, 2009 1:13 PM
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American government jobs are going to India. In a failing economy this is beyond words. Check this out:
We're Outsourcing Food Stamp Jobs To India
http://consumerist.com/5232809/were-
outsourcing-food-stamp-jobs-to-india
(Take out the space in the url to reach it)
But that's not even the kicker: The kicker is that people are giving every last ounce of their financial information to the banks that own these call centers. In the case of this article, JP Chase Morgan owns the India Call Center taking intake for food stamps. So while you are trying to protect your sensitive info from predatory financial institutions you are telling them everything when you get food stamps because they go over everything you own, owe, and who you owe in detail. This is freaking insane.
The Elite are systematically waging war on the American citizen and that our government is rotten to the core with the sycophants of that elite.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Nov 17, 2009 12:27 AM
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They are lying through their teeth about the real unemployment rate ... Thanks to the adjustment of the business birth-death model in the Payroll Survey 86,000 ghost jobs were magically added last month,that's over a million ghost jobs this year, conjured from behind a desk.
A look at the Household Survey showed that job losses are once again taking off ... That survey showed 589,000 jobs lost last month alone, not the 190,000 lost jobs they reported!
And those jobs the Stimulus Bill created? Well it seems they counted new jobs where people in existing jobs got raises as new jobs. Just today we find out that some f those stimulus jobs just didn't exist! Ya just can't make this stuff up.
The real unemployment rate is over 20% and that doesn't include the millions of high school and college grads looking for their first job ...
Caveat :If and until banks are solvent all that stimulus gets sucked into oblivion …
Real employment and stimulus initiatives are; a 30 hour workweek, The USG putting a floor under people to replace the tattered safety net by guaranteeing everyone, single payer health care, unlimited though depreciating unemployment insurance. By making working hours shorter but reducing employee expenses more workers get hired, more businesses get established and more entrepreneurs have freedom from health care worries …
We could implement a carbon tax to be disbursed per capita. This serves two purposes. gets real money right where it is needed and pushes people away from energy consumption. Exports would get tax credits …
We need a 20% tariff, all countries do. This helps to keep economies diversified and insulates them from external subsidies, predatory pricing, currency manipulation and tax shopping …
Our current situation is far beyond simple individual measures and needs a package of bold and radical initiatives to even stem the unemployment tide.
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» To say that the Household survey was horrible would be an understatement.
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» Yet even under this optimistic scenario, unemployment will still be above 10% at the end of 2014
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» Who is AGAINST it is the question
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» Here's one guess
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» btw, I wasn't implying anything about mmckinl
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» I agree.
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» My one and only comment on this subject: "I BELIEVE NOTHING THE PRESS, POLITICIANS, OR BANKS/NEOCON
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» RE: wishy washy blue dogs tied Obama's hands
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» ROTFLMAO!!!!! yup, that about sums it up succinctly: rivers do run down stream...lol
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» Blue Dogs = Republicans. Stop calling them Democrats.
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» It was exposed after McKinney lost the primary to another dem, that Rahm & Pelosi recruited repubs
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Posted by: itsallbs on Nov 17, 2009 2:11 AM
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I had to laugh at that statement because the only things we have left to export is weapons.
Now I am as pro defense as the next guy, but shouldn't we actually manufacture something other than guns and airplanes if we are to extricate ourselves from this morass.
Unless we take back our manufacturing jobs from overseas, we will continue to decline into a nation of servitude. That means the poor servicing the rich for you neonutcons who can't seem to tell the difference between what's good for you vs. what's good for the wealthy.
As long as you continue to vote against your best interests, nothing will actually change.
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» RE: Jobs?
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» RE: Jobs?
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Posted by: RICHARD RALPH ROEHL on Nov 17, 2009 2:19 AM
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Well... it is the patriotic duty of every fat-ass Amerikan consumer citizen to:
1. $upport der glorious [sic] troops in Iraq-nam... and other corp-rat war profiteering $cams!
2. $alute der glorious [sic] flag... and in-heil to the Chief! (no inhaling!)
3. Pray to Jeeezass... our "Lord an' $avior."
4. Bend over for the ethno/racist theocrazy of Israel.
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» Damn, Richard, I'm OH fer FOUR
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» And buy all the cheap Chinese crap
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Posted by: weathered on Nov 17, 2009 2:34 AM
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Nov 17, 2009 2:41 AM
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1) Obama, Emmanuel, and company are machine politicians. They are running the Democratic Party in the Chicago mold. Their actions are calculated to shore up and strengthen the party machine, with little or no attention to the desires of the voters.
Or
2) We have another incompetent ex-cokehead in the White House.
Thank you, progressives! Either way, the Bammer is a One-Termer. :)
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» At least you're consistent in your ignorance
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» Emanuel is Likud
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» Well said, Bravo!
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» For which, of course, you have no proof
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» Ask Netanyahu
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» The Pharisees still rule?
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» RE: The Pharisees still rule?
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» He's also Mossad, that is why he is in charge now of Cheneys little death squad domestically.
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» Two possibilities
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» I have been right too many times to be nuts, so I must be inconsequential, but then with people like
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Posted by: SkeeterVT1 on Nov 17, 2009 2:48 AM
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Senator Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont) is right: If they're too big to fail, then they're too big to exist. I will go further and say that these mega-ciorporations are illegal under federal anti-trust laws.
The time is past due to pressure the Justice Department to enforce our anti-trust laws and BREAK UP these mega-corporations into smaller firms.
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» Yes, corporations are giant UNIONS of money
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» I intend to boycott
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Did they listen no it's not in the best interest for, Mega corporations to make a
"Profit by a, Prophet' But there even wrong! And whoever is preventing this is evil more so than even the Devil himself, Because innocent lives are taken' Every single day on our highways of hate and they all could be prevented every one of them. By putting all roadways even threw ground.
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» Ah, the Donald Trump business model
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Posted by: Farasien on Nov 17, 2009 5:16 AM
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As I keep saying, the only way to fix this nation is to remove its government, imprison or kill its leaders (no, not 'throw them out of office'- voting only works if corruption hasn't infected the pollsters- and it HAS-ask emperor bu$h!) burn the old institutions to the ground and start over. The USA is infected by a pervasive and rapidly metasticizing cancer. The only way you can treat cancer is to burn it out with chemo and nuke it with radiation- in effect, to kill it so that the body, now free of the malady, can recover. You can't reason with it, you can't ignore it and can't just 'live with it' as it WILL eventually kill you. Its survival of the fittest, and the sooner we come to grips that the only way to fix the real problems of the nation, as they stand, is to drown them in blood, the faster we can recover from it. There is going to be blood one way or the other at this point, and if we don't wake up soon, its going to be OURS that runs in the gutters.
Its beyond just 'getting back to normal' at this point- its rapidly fazing into a question of weather we can come back at all, or if we head back to the dark ages, maybe forever.
It may already be too late.
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» Farasein you're stupid. Our economy is already recovering. credit is easing and job loss is slowing
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» ...and Yellow, you're willfully blind!
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» The wealthy will be protected by the stupid serfs.
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» A "FRIGGEN" MEN ON THAT ONE!!!!!!!!
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» Fienberg the 'payoff/bribe' czar from Hell
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» "An eyesore in our nation" What a shallow way of regarding homelessness and hunger.
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Posted by: lclark on Nov 17, 2009 6:27 AM
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During this past year few years agricultural products have become another item where this country, once referred to as the breadbasket of the world, has a trade deficit. Yearly some 63% of our fruits and vegetables are now imported along with 1.5 billion lbs of beef, while American family farmers can�t sell their product and go out of business. And the cost of groceries have not dropped but increased. Rather its the profits of multinationals that control the production, distribution, and sale of this food has increased. And those profits are used to buy a Senator and accelerate the destruction of family farms.
Two farmers well acquainted with the situation of the American family farmer were interviewed. Ron Wilson, an apple grower in the Yakima valley mentioned how the number of buyers for apples has been consolidated in recent years from 150 to 5, and the amount that American farmers get for their product, when they can sell it, has been reduced even as the markup on fruit has gone from 50% to up to 300%. There is no profit to the American farmer who produces food, but growing profit to the corporations that control its delivery to markets. Ron mentioned how the local asparagus farmers are now going under because the local packer will no longer buy from them but imports his product from South America.
The 2nd farmer interviewed, Bill Shepard from Oklahoma told a similar story of a local watermelon farmer that made an agreement with a local grocer to sell his watermelons. The following day the agreement was cancelled. The grocer said his distributor told him that if he purchased local produce the distributor would stop delivery of goods to his store�.that�s the true face of �free trade�. Bill relayed a story of another local farmer who left his sweet potatoes to rot in the field because he could not even get the cost of digging them at 2 cents a lb while the local grocery was selling them at 79 cents a lb.
Bill noted that for vegetables the situation is even more controlled and that 3 buyers control 90% of the food that makes it to groceries, and that these buyers and distributors simply restrict their buying to subsidiaries in South America�.that is the true face of �free trade�: corporate, monopolistic, and destructive to the American economy while it concentrate more wealth into the hands of multinationals. The wide division of the wealthy and the poor of Mexico is the model of our future.
And it is not simply our economic deconstruction. Bill took a visit to Mexico and visited the corporate vegetable fields. What he described sounded like a scene from a dark, dark sci-fi film. He looked out over fields watered from the sewage lagoons of Mexico City. As the hundreds of peasants picked the broccoli plants a plane passes over the field spraying DDT. And because the grower was an American corporation, this DDT sprayed broccoli would arrive at your grocery in some form, fresh or frozen, labeled an American produced product. That too is the true face of �free trade�, our representatives (overlords, really) that speak of a �culture of life� and �family values�. Whose family is it that they value? It is not the family of the American farmer or worker, or the families of the peasants they poison and exploit in third world countries.
The Donket's and Elephants are grazing on the Hill. When they relieve themselves it trickles down ro the citizens.
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Posted by: warrior woman on Nov 17, 2009 6:45 AM
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Relate that to warresisters charts combining military w/ VA and interest on military spending loans here: http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm Total Outlays (Federal Funds): $2,650 billion MILITARY: 54% and $1,449 billion NON-MILITARY: 46% and $1,210 billion.
Add that to the trillions in bank bailouts and we have a problem, don't we? Can we talk "entitlement" programs now? That is why the Blue Dogs are going to go after Social Security again: http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-
entry/2009114613/its-baack-catfood-
commission#comment-12133
I want to make special note that RAD talked about the "middle class" armed forces. THAT is where the jobs are today. Do we need a draft as Bill Moyers dared our government to produce if we escalate in Afghanistan: http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/
heather/bill-moyers-bring-back-draft where it costs $1 million per soldier per year http://www.opednews.com/articles/Afghan-
Escalation-Would-Ma-by-David-Sirota-
091116-625.html?
Last, note that our military spending is far above Cheney's wish list of 3.8% equivalent to the GDP, per Baker, it is now 5.6%.
Federal Spending, 2001-2008: Defense Is a Rapidly Growing Share of the Budget, While Domestic Appropriations Have Shrunk
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=125
Note the amounts of the private contractor awards in the military here: 2014 or Bust: The Pentagon's Building Boom in Afghanistan Indicates a Long War Ahead Thursday 05 November 2009
by: Nick Turse | TomDispatch.com
http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175135 http://www.truthout.org/1106091
Massive Defense Spending Leads to Job Loss
Dean Baker
http://www.cepr.net/index.php/op-eds-&-
columns/op-eds-&-columns/defense-spending-job-loss/ "In the most recent quarter, defense spending was equal to 5.6 percent of GDP. By comparison, before the September 11th attacks, the Congressional Budget Office projected that defense spending in 2009 would be equal to just 2.4 percent of GDP. Our post-September 11th build-up was equal to 3.2 percentage points of GDP compared to the pre-attack baseline. This means that the Global Insight projections of job loss are far too low."
Compare to:
REBUILDING AMERICA’S DEFENSES
http://www.newamericancentury.org/
RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf Pg 3 “Today, America spends less than 3 percent of its gross domestic product on national defense, less than at any time since before the Untied States established itself as the world’s leading power and a cut from 4.7 percent of DGP in 1992, the first real post-Cold-War defense budget…pg23 Make efforts to improve the quality of soldier life to sustain the current “middle class” army….pg 51 Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event- like a new Pearl Harbor…..pg75 Nevertheless, we believe that, over time, the program we advocate would require budgets roughly equal to those necessary to fully fund the QDR force- a minimum level of 3.5 to 3.8 percent of gross domestic product.
Private Contractor spending: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-soltz/
-peter-to-kill-paul_b_355061.html
Paying Peter to Kill Paul
How the US Funds the Taliban
By Aram Roston
This article appeared in the November 30, 2009 edition of The Nation.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20091130/roston
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Posted by: CitizenWhy on Nov 17, 2009 6:57 AM
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Instead the banks are putting the money into foreign bonds at 3-6% interest, money they received or borrowed at 0-1% interests from the Fed or FDIC. Smart guys. Dumb government giving away our tax revenues with no restrictions.
How come there is no Congressional hearing to get the biggest banks to give a detailed accounting of how they used the money? Because it would show how stupidly Congress acted.
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» EXACTLY!!!!! Nothing stupid about that. There are now 44 millionaires in congress and growing...
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» RE: Worse than that: 44% of Congress...
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» Oh, my Gawd, I misread it.... your right, that is way worse.
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Posted by: Richardsievert on Nov 17, 2009 7:04 AM
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"Out of our country' Before they cause world war three. Or it will be other countries attacking us, Because we cannot pay our debt's because Clinton and Bush baby' Outsourced our jobs then bankrupted our country so which one will it be for not listening to me I told Alabama how to fix the system' Completely and all I got was and offer to have donuts with him and dick, At there weekly public geek off session;
"in Washington' They do not listen to intelligent idea's that will work' They listen to the cash monopoly and the "money changers' who put us in this mess' In-tell we get those, Argent cash givers out of DC' Things will never change. One of the things I told them was to put all rail, "Threw ground' To stop the needless deaths that Railroads cause. 30 children a year are killed by trains 50 adults and yea it does not add up to as many car fatalities but maybe they are partly from the same cause easy access to roads by pedestrians causes death.
Did they listen no it's not in the best interest for, Mega corporations to make a prophet but there even wrong! And whoever is preventing this is evil more so than even the Devil himself because innocent lives are taken' Every single year on our highways and they all could be prevented every one of them. By putting all roadways even threw ground. ending all water deprivation every city state and town by channeling it all to there needed city and state agriculture areas that are hardest hit with drought I am sick and tired of hearing about no water, Here or there when this idea of mine would give everyone all the water they wanted by letting this system catch and distribute it every American needed it. Everyone would have a job every heavy equipment operator' and we might even need some Mexican mussel for this. Also prison power' use this to help give people incarcerated a way to reprove themselves, And make them feel human again. And if these mongol corporations don't like this because it gives no profit ask them where there going to get there water from in the next drought I cause for not listing to me.
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Posted by: picket on Nov 17, 2009 7:23 AM
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Never fear US College Grads there are waiter/waitress jobs, and low paying health care entry level positions available and you can retrain in just a few weeks !!!!
Do our elected servants even care?
....It costs $1 Million to keep a soldier in Afghanistan for on year. USA does produce WMD's in some STATES.
...There are 2.5 millionaires in the US at the end of 2008 and 44% OR 237 of them are serving in the US CONGRESS. Look at how they smile and joke with each other !!!!
49 million Americans faced "FOOD INSECURITY" in 2008, otherwise known as HUNGER. HELLO!!! Our people are FAT because cheap meals are provided for $2.00 at fast food corporation centers. To cook you need a roof over your heads.
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Posted by: lclark on Nov 17, 2009 7:37 AM
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Vote and vote 3rd party...ANY third party of your choice.
Anyone on the ballot not in the Donkey or Elephant herd.
"All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others."
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» OR unless, we, the American workers, REBUILD THE DAMN THING WITHOUT the bankers...
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Government is killing jobs through taxation and regulation.
California and Michigan are perfect examples.
Business are fleeing from heavy Government interference in job creation.
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» No, no, you have that all wrong. Businesses were fleeing from accountability, real competition, and
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» They'll continue fleeing as long as there's no penalty only incentive
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» It won't come then either. This is different, this is about a global slave workforce... get it???
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Posted by: djnoll on Nov 17, 2009 10:07 AM
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Our economy is still in freefall - and anyone who says different has their head in the sand. Our unemployment is still rising, our manufacturing sector is nearly non-existent, entire segments of our economy are controlled by only a handful of companies, our agricultural segment is dominated by corporations that are creating unhealthy food and decimated land, and our education system is destroyed almost to the point of non-recovery. Folks, we are in bad shape, and if we wait for the politicians to safe us, we are doomed.
Joshua is right - the economic stimulus was too small, but thanks to the GOP, the Blue Dogs, and the likes of FOX media and ignorant Tea Partiers, it was all that could get passed. It did not work in the way it should have as a result - but I do not see anyone standing up and taking credit for the failure from among that crowd. Do we need another stimulus package? Probably, but it needs to be structured differently, and it needs broad public support, which it may never get thanks to the media that likes crisis rather than solution. So what are we to do? We roll up our sleeves and we put ourselves to work.
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And I can remember the jobs programs of the Seventies, back when we actually had an economy that (sort of) worked, and how even though Nixon put this program in, the coming conservative Republican majority hated it. Since the Blue Dogs resemble Nixon, someone is going to have to stomp on them hard in order to get a real jobs program like the WPA.
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Posted by: oregoncharles on Nov 17, 2009 11:38 AM
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And "TIMIDITY?" Will we ever get past this ridiculous DP spin? Just ask the Clintons: are Obama and his people "timid"? Are Congresspeople who defy their constituents' anger "timid"? And I don't mean the Teabaggers, whom they played up as an excuse for inaction, I mean us. I mean all those unemployable young people who fell for the scam.
Back to the basics: The Democrats have COMPLETE, UNQUALIFIED CONTROL OF THE GOVERNMENT, the whole trifecta. So there they are, doing the Full Monty with no Republican fig leaf and their real agenda hanging out for all to see. What they do is who they are. They can try to hide it by playing up the big, bad, crazy Republicans (who play along with the game, of course), but it's really just silly, a charade meant to rally our support for their poor, beleaguered, utterly powerful selves.
They'll be SO relieved when they lose ground in Congress next year. My guess is they'll keep control, because nobody wants the R's in charge, including the R's, but they won't have unqualified control: narrow margins in both houses. And then we'll hear plaintive cries about how they were just too "liberal" (expletives deleted), so they have to be even more "bipartisan" (decode: giving the bankers and insurance companies EVERYTHING they want.)
My suggestion: we should play along with that electoral game, not by voting for Republicans, but by voting and campaigning for REAL progressives - the Green Party, or whoever else you can find that's equivalent. Next year, we may have a real shot at putting a few in office, because the Dems are vulnerable at a time when NOBODY wants the Republicans back; at the least, if you "spoil" the race for a Democrat, they know they lost because they weren't progressive ENOUGH. That's pressure where it counts - on Nov. 6.
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Posted by: yesman on Nov 17, 2009 2:58 PM
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Then, we could have taken the several trillion dollars which we gave to the crooks and used that money to create jobs for, and save the homes of, working Americans (you know, the kind who actually contribute something to our economy). Several trillion dollars would have supplied a LOT of economic security for working people, whatever happened on Wall Street.
Instead, we've gotten the usual "socialism for the rich" and f#@k everyone else. It's time to clean house, one way or another, both on Wall Street and in Washington.
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Posted by: richholland on Nov 17, 2009 7:51 PM
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The socialism wasnt that good in the production of consumer goods. BUt at least there was job security and health care for all.
I hope Alternat.org once will publish an article re. the Swedish model;
a combination of socialdemocratic policy and Capitalisme.
I also should like to know; what is the situation in Canada???
Your present economical system CREATED this mess, HOW on earth you think that the virus that made you ill can cure you??
If the bonuses of the bankers are used for jobs this would benefit the whole country.
And believe if OBAMA would tell the nation he would do so, millions of unemployed and minimum wage guys would protest; Donot touch the money of my Boss.
The freedom to cash billions means poverty for millions.
On TV I saw a young couple living in their car; The boy said Still I am happy to be in America instead of that socialistic Europe.
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Posted by: Southern Gal on Nov 18, 2009 8:28 AM
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We hear people complaining about the lack of jobs, but we can't find people willing to do the smaller jobs in the yard and around the house even though we are willing to pay them what they ask. We also try to spread the jobs around when possible. For example using two different electricians to correct some wiring problems and install energy efficent security lights.
I believe that we should shift to regional manufacturing and food supply. Since this county has lost several industries to other countries, we have facilities standing idle. This is probably true for other counties. Perhaps we could get better made products and certainly employ people.
The community college is offering job training courses and the local government seems to be trying to get new industries and business in. I worry about the working people and how they are going to earn a living or simply survive in these times. Local governments are doing as much as they can, but this global economy has decimated local economies and job markets. The Obama administration needs to step up and put serious funds and programs in place to establish support for main street and build jobs. There are no more important issues right now. In the meantime, some of the unemployed workers might want to check out local neighborhoods and implement the small jobs that are available to earn money.
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Posted by: patvic14056 on Nov 18, 2009 1:13 PM
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Posted by: Gentle Axeman on Nov 19, 2009 4:19 PM
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Little bit of a grass roots....but then, he's forgot a bit, how that works...
Lotsa pork got cleared out though....That stuff only trickles so far...
Expect more.....
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Posted by: WeimMom on Nov 19, 2009 4:33 PM
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http://www.numbersusa.com/
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claims-stimulus-savedcreated-
650000-jobs-it-imported-1125
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Posted by: edthefed on Nov 20, 2009 4:37 AM
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While I do have some advantages not everybody like myself has, such as: a high school diploma/ no felonies(so far, lol!)/ strong family support I earned by taking care of my late grandfather/ good looks & intelligence, I also have a lot working against me to this day. And because of my unfortunate situation, it's harder than ever to find work right now. But I know in the long run, things will improve provided I keep pushing for it.
On the other hand, there's my lifelong friend, Dean. He's worked hard his whole life, slowly climbing the ladder of success in order to realize his own idea of the "American Dream". While I was slipping and falling, he went from working at a pizza joint to doing sheet metal fabrication work, then trade school and on to becoming a Heating and Cooling Repair Tech. Now he works for a nation-wide company fixing and manufacturing A/C units for railroad cars, has a faithful wife and 4 kids, owns his own house, etc. But here just in the past week or so, his job started cutting back on work-hours, causing him to lose a whole day's wages. His wife had to take maternity leave to have their new baby boy, and just started back full time at her job, while bills and expenses keep piling up. (You know the economy's bad when the railroad industry starts making cuts). He'll probably get through it all without suffering as bad as a lot of unemployed families are right now, but who knows what could happen in the future?
And through all these grim economic times, when people world-wide are getting left behind even more than ever in the past few years, some literally starving to death; the fortunate few are doing better than ever! In fact, the greediest and most cold-blooded are actually exploiting the situation to benefit themselves in every way possible while our elected and/or appointed officials keep wasting time and trillions of dollars, not to mention throughing away the lives of 100s of millions of people like it's all a game!!! It's time for the masses to organize and put a stop to this b.s. before it really is too late, no matter how heinous things get. Will the REAL Sister Freedom and Lady Justice please stand up?
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Posted by: textynn on Nov 22, 2009 1:13 PM
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American government jobs are going to India. In a failing economy this is beyond words. Check this out:
We're Outsourcing Food Stamp Jobs To India
http://consumerist.com/5232809/were-
outsourcing-food-stamp-jobs-to-india
(Take out the space in the url to reach it)
But that's not even the kicker: The kicker is that people are giving every last ounce of their financial information to the banks that own these call centers. In the case of this article, JP Chase Morgan owns the India Call Center taking intake for food stamps. So while you are trying to protect your sensitive info from predatory financial institutions you are telling them everything when you get food stamps because they go over everything you own, owe, and who you owe in detail. This is freaking insane.
The Elite are systematically waging war on the American citizen and that our government is rotten to the core with the sycophants of that elite.
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