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Thousands of Right-Wingers Rally at Capitol to Hear Lies About Health Care Reform, Courtesy of Bachmann and GOP Leaders

Days before a health bill is expected to pass the House, Republicans rallied their flock with the help of Fox News, Michele Bachmann and leading conservative groups.
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Thousands of right-wingers rallied yesterday on the lawn on the U.S. Capitol building to hear a parade of Republican lawmakers warn them of an alleged threat to their freedom embedded in the secret channels of the health care reform bill unveiled last week by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif. Lawmakers expect to vote on the bill Saturday.

Congressional star power was provided on the podium by the likes of Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., who called for the rally from the hallowed platform of Sean Hannity's Fox News program.

Other big names on the Capitol podium included House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio; Rep. Joe "You Lie" Wilson, R-S.C. (who got a huge ovation from the crowd), and House Whip Eric Cantor, R-Va., who promised that he was doing all he could to ensure that "not one Republican" votes for the health care reform bill.

Actors Jon Voight and John Deszo Ratzenberger (the guy who played Cliff on Cheers) provided the glamour quotient.

Had you witnessed the 9-12/Tea Party march on Washington in September, you would be forgiven for thinking of today's rally as same stuff, different day. Except it wasn't quite.


Sure, the yellow Gasdsen flags -- the standards bearing the image of a coiled snake and the words "Don't Tread on Me" -- were everywhere, as were the crazy conspiracy-theory signs.

Just like the 9-12 march, this was a white people's rally, most of them appearing to be over the age of 40. And the same triumverate of forces -- Fox News, with the astroturfing groups Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks -- were involved with the rally, which was promoted heavily by Fox News personalities and the Web site of Americans for Prosperity, as well as via the AFP e-mail network.

FreedomWorks President and CEO Matt Kibbe addressed today's crowd, just as he did at the 9-12 march, which FreedomWorks organized.

And while yesterday's crowd was far smaller than that of the 9-12 march, it was impressive in size for a weekday. People did indeed come from all over the country -- many on American for Prosperity buses, but many on their own.

By my guesstimate, organizers drew 5,000 enthusiastic Tea Partiers -- not bad for a Thursday afternoon.

A seemingly endless parade of speakers seemed to encompass virtually the whole of the House GOP caucus.

What really set this event apart from all others is that the long list of Republican lawmakers assembled before the crowd did so as part of a day's work in Congress on the steps of U.S. Capitol, cheerfully facing a barrage of signs that decried Pelosi and President Barack Obama as socialists, and the president as a usurper and transgressor of the Constitution.

Sure, you've heard that that story before, even bits and pieces of it out of the mouths of individual members of Congress. And, yes, U.S. senators and representatives have been present before on podiums where the Obama-as-fascist-socialist-Marxist-Muslim-foreigner story revealed itself in the chants and signage of protesters. But here was the leader of the House Republicans, addressing just such a crowd as part of his day job, leading perhaps 20 members of Congress to join that fray.

Boehner Looks On

Minority Leader Boehner's remarks were unremarkable but for the fact that, holding up a copy of the U.S. Constitution, he purported to be quoting from its Preamble while actually reading the opening lines of the Declaration of Independence.

More notable is the fact Boehner's misstep followed a sneering speech by radio talk-show host Mark Levin (introduced as a "great one," by Bachmann), who has built a cottage industry of representing Obama as a dictator who has come to overturn the American Revolution.

Levin is also famously misogynist when it comes to liberal women, referring to the secretary of state as "her thighness", and making references to the body of Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor.

Of the Democratic leadership, Levin said, "They don't believe in private-property rights; they're taking a wrecking ball to this magnificent society. ... They want to control you, your children, your parents, your doctor. ... They want to ration care; the bottom line is, they want to play God and decide who lives and who dies."

Perhaps chastened by his recent run-in with FreedomWorks Chairman Dick Armey in the 23rd congressional district in New York, where Boehner backed the wrong candidate, the minority leader simply watched as Levin delivered his rant, and he made no reference to Levin's remarks in his own.

He was apparently unfazed, as well, by the rhetoric of those he leads and the signs carried by protesters who echoed the message that the president, and by extension, the speaker, somehow attained their positions illegitimately.

"This is your house," said Rep. Jeb Hensarling, R-Texas, of the U.S. Capitol, "but there's people there who don't belong there."

One protester, close to the front of the stage, held a sign that bore this message on a yellow background in stenciled black letters: "KEN-YA TRUST OBAMA?"

Another held a placard that read, "IF OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS LEGAL, WHY IS HE SPENDING $1,000,000+ TO CONCEAL IT?"

And the leader of the House Republicans looked on.


Ratzenberger, the Cheers actor (who also voiced a toy pig in the film, Toy Story), said of the philosophies of Pelosi and Obama, "It doesn't come from America; it comes from overseas. It comes from socialism."

He claimed that Pelosi and today's Democrats were not philosophical descendants of John F. Kennedy, even though the health care reform legislation currently making its way through Congress was a lifelong dream of JFK's brother, the late Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass.

"They're the philosophical descendants of Abby Hoffman, Saul Alinsky and Wavy Gravy," he said. "These are Woodstock Democrats."

And the leader of the House Republicans looked on.

Arizona's John Shaddegg stoked up the red-baiters. "You and I have been handed the torch of freedom," he said, "to fight against the socialism that is in this heath care bill."

And the leader of the House Republicans looked on.

Rep. Paul Broun of Georgia gave the rallygoers this instruction: "Tell your congressman that you're not going to eat this rotten, stinking fish that is Pelosi health care. We're going to put a stop sign in front of the steamroller of socialism."

That all seemed to go with the sign that read, "MARXISM = CHANGE; WE DON'T NEED THEM."

And the leader of the House Republicans looked on.

Actor Jon Voight took up the Obama as red theme, as well, claiming that the president aimed to create "a socialist America" through the use of "radical Chicago tactics." Obama wanted to pass health care "not for the poor," he said, "but for his own political gain."

And the leader of the House Republicans looked on.

Religious Right Lifts Its Pinkie; Tea Party Claims GOP Victories

Later in the program, Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, took the stage, marking the unofficial merger of the religious right and the Tea Party movement. Calling the health care bill "a bailout for the abortion industry," Perkins signaled the final front in the health care battle -- whether private plans that currently cover certain therapeutic abortions will be permitted to do so under the new scheme.

An abortion theme emerged in the remarks of Congress members who followed him to the podium, including Joe Pitts, a member of the Capitol Hill religious cult known as The Family who has teamed with Democrat Bart Stupak, another Family member to try to stall health care reform by using abortion as a wedge issue.


The speeches were also peppered with references to this week's Republican gubernatorial wins in Virginia and New Jersey.

Indeed, Virginia victor Bob McDonnell has strong ties to Americans for Prosperity, having borrowed AFP consultant Phil Cox as his campaign manager and having done legal work for the group himself.

Speaking of the Garden State, where the Tea Party movement threw in with Republican Chris Christie, Rep. Joe Wilson -- the South Carolina Republican who interrupted Obama's televised health care speech to a joint session of Congress -- was quick to take a bit of credit, citing his own appearance at a New Jersey Tea Party event on the eve of the election -- an event of which the candidate steered clear.

Fox News Sent Us

As the rally wound down and people began to filter out, I got to talk to some of those who had gathered on the Capitol lawn. Of the five I spoke to, all but one cited a Fox News personality as the source for their information about the rally.

Peggy Dau came in from Oklahoma with two friends. "Drove all night," she said. She was motivated by her work with the oppressed peoples of Laos, she said, where Christians are persecuted. That's what she sees coming down the pike for us, she said, if we don't stop these attempts to curtail our freedoms.

She gave me a copy of a magazine called Voices of the Martyrs, named for the ministry for which she works. When I asked how she learned about the rally, she said, "From Michele" -- meaning the Minnesota congresswoman. "I saw her on Fox -- I think it was Sean Hannity's show," she said.


Ed Michalski drove in from Lancaster, Pa., by himself. He got word of the rally from talk radio, he said, "Glenn Beck's show."
A couple from Ocean City, N.J., drove down after hearing the rally promoted on talk radio. They couldn't remember whether it was from William Bennett's show (Bennett is also a Fox News personality) or Beck. Or maybe it was Rush. (Limbaugh is not a Fox News personality.)

A father and son, who declined to give their names, drove in from Tennessee. Beck's megaphone was the one that reached their ears, spurring them to hit the road.

A woman from Michigan drove with four friends, after seeing Bachmann on Hannity. She, too, preferred to remain anonymous.

At last, I found someone who had not learned of the rally from a Fox personality. He was a lone man from Louisville, Ky. He came on a bus with about 50 people, he said, courtesy of Americans for Prosperity, who had kindly sent him an e-mail inviting him to this historic event.


Adele M. Stan is AlterNet's Washington bureau chief.
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Posted by: bandofotters on Nov 6, 2009 8:01 AM   
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So treating PTSD is now a defense? This guy was a VT alumnus. Let's draw a comparison to Chow while we are at it!

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Never underestimate Michele.
Posted by: warrior woman on Nov 6, 2009 3:20 AM   
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Never underestimate Michele. the congressperson who hears voices and is elected by other crazed citizens in MN. SHe is fast on the rise and is more damaging than one could imagine. It will be her, not Palin who runs for President. An alleged tax attorney who as far as anyone can find, never actually passed the bar.

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Evil Liars leading gullible people.
Posted by: marid on Nov 6, 2009 4:04 AM   
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There coming to take them away, ha ha, to the funny farm where life is beautiful all the time. Many are probably nice people but something clicked in their heads and now we have all too many listening to and believing this insidious garbage. Patriots my foot.

Promoting and supporting causes that are directly against their interests or demonstrably false. Fictional Fairytails for the Factually False, the FFFF.
And there is no way you could get even 10 of them to sit and have a real discussion about what is really going on in our country. All nutjobs and charlatans find supporters, always have, always will. The Corpse who run America must be smiling.

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Michelle Bachmann and Tim Pawlenty work for United Health Insurance
Posted by: US Citizen on Nov 6, 2009 5:13 AM   
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Of course, Michelle Bachmann and Tim Pawlenty are just stooges for corrupt ex-CEO of United Health, William McGuire. They both do McGuire's bidding to make sure the money all of us pay for health insurance doesn't actually go for our medical care. That is why Minnesota is pretty much a bottom feeder in the world of national politics.

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WANKER ALERT--Don't click on that link (IDENTITY THEFT!)
Posted by: GuitarBill on Nov 6, 2009 8:36 AM   
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This scumbag is not trying to protect your privacy; he's trying to steal your identity.

If you click on his "Privacy Center" hyperlink, the server the link points to will install a keylogger on your computer, which is used to steal your credit card number, SSN, etc.

Please, report the comment to Alternet's staff.

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Bachmann Teabag Overdrive
Posted by: eddie torres on Nov 6, 2009 7:01 AM   
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I have this creepy suspicion that many of Bachmann's robots who drove cross-country for this Astroturf atrocity may in fact be secret interstate trucking serial killers, hence the desire to "remain anonymous" when questioned by reporters.

And why do they all look like their hair was designed in 1974?

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Who are these people?
Posted by: ETSpoon on Nov 6, 2009 7:11 AM   
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You ever wonder where "teabaggers' come from? Well if you live in a predominantly white suburb or farming community or any city besides Denver and Santa Fe in the Red State Homeland of the large rectangular western states look at your neighbors.

Now look I'm going to deal in a stereotype, many say stereotypes are not legitimate, but by and large "teabaggers" fall into my stereotype.

By and large, these same so-called "teabaggers" are suburban, white and professional, or coordinator, middle class, i.e. mid-level corporate managers, doctors, lawyers, small business owners, insurance agents and so on.

They are motivated by greed. Even though the majority are comfortable economically and have incomes which puts them in the alternative minimum tax, AMT, bracket, they always want more. These are the folks who are always whining at the "tea parties," that "we know how to spend our money better than the government."

And they are motivated by envy. Curiously they envy and begrudge the poorest segments of society. Envious in that "teabaggers" envision the poor living the life of Reilly on food stamps and welfare and begrudging ever one of their tax dollars they imagine going to support that imagined lifestyle.

I might add that "teabaggers' got this way, Boomers and GenXers for the most part, because they grew up during the Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson and Nixon administrations when the government handed out plenty of everything for everybody and nobody, especially if one were child then, cared where the money came from. Of course all those federal funds came from high incomes taxes on the wealthiest Americans and industry.

But when the Boomer generation got old enough to marry, set up their own households they voted against their own self interest, i.e. Ronald Reagan and Reaganite Republicans.

After growing up in the warm afterglow of the New Deal, the Fair Deal, the New Frontier and the Great Society Boomers and GenXers display the self-centeredness of spoiled children. What "teabaggers" want is to live on The Big Rock Candy Mountain, paying no tax yet still receiving all the services and benefits only government can provide.

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LET THEM EAT CAKE
Posted by: kettleblack on Nov 6, 2009 7:13 AM   
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Bohner, Bachman, and the unanimous Republican Party can promote AND SIGN ON to their 200-page Health Care Alternative that they think is so good for the American People.
Who will be the first Conservative to actually practice what they preach?
Trickle down health care for the masses.

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Ask not...
Posted by: bandofotters on Nov 6, 2009 7:50 AM   
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Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country.

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2 words
Posted by: pawheel on Nov 6, 2009 8:49 AM   
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DO SOMETHING.

These people are being empowered by a powerful international corporation - the News corp, which owns Fox News, the Wall Street Journal and many other communication avenues throughout the world. If you think they are just morons with no power, think about this: they just had a rally on the STEPS OF THE CAPITAL, WITH CONGRESSPERSONS SPEAKING THERE!

If you or I had any kind of rally within 5 miles of that place, we would be arrested, if not beaten. I know, I was billie clubbed on a sidewalk in front of the White House in 1978, and that's when Carter was in office.

It's time to put your keyboard down and get out there a get the liberal presence in the faces of your fellow Americans. Street protest is our only avenue of getting the word out these days. It only gets on the mainstream media if Fox news supports it. It's time to get out and get the message of truth spreading.

2 more words; FIGHT FOX!

Why doesn't MSNBC or somebody start rallies like Fox does? Ask yourself who owns NBC and the other corporate networks? Look here and find out;
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/04/47530.php

2 more words: GREEN PARTY!

It's our country, lets take it back!

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Check the Banner Ad at the Bottom of this Page
Posted by: On the Border on Nov 6, 2009 8:57 AM   
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At the time I type this, that ad is a "STOP GOV'T RUN HEALTHCARE" link to an e-petition, sponsored by Americans For Progress (or whatever AFP stands for).

Hey Alternet... I'm not calling you out or anything (oh wait yes I am), but WTF? If the money's green you'll go ahead and take it, even if the online petition runs directly counter to your professed beliefs? Freaking pathetic.

Whatever integrity you once had is officially bought-and-sold. See you later. Or maybe not.

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WHY...
Posted by: constitution, what constitution on Nov 6, 2009 8:58 AM   
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did they ruin such a perfectly good flag?

I stomached about 15 minutes of the rally before I had to turn off CSPAN. The ever-engaging John Voigt really gave thum libruls a piece of his mind. As if anything Congress does will affect him.

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YOU OBAMA BUTT KISSERS
Posted by: collins101 on Nov 6, 2009 9:28 AM   
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get off your kool-aid already. That smirking con man will never see a second term. 'KEN-YA TRUST OBAMA" I love it!

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Tragicomedy
Posted by: willymack on Nov 6, 2009 9:45 AM   
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It'd be funny if it weren't so goddam SAD.
The NITWITS for Bugs Beck, Bachman, and other crazies, opposing a public option or universal health care simply have things ass-backwards in their tiny minds.
To see with our own eyes and hear the goofy rants of those displaying a Pablovian response to the talking points of insurance and pharma racketeers brings out several emotions at once.
Embarassment that we have so many fools in our country is one of them. It's like taking your kid to the doctor's for a flu shot, kicking and screaming because he knows he's getting stuck with a needle, and not thinking of how it'll prevent him from getting really sick.
As usual, we'll have to move forward, dragging the kicking and screaming fools along with us.
Sometimes, I think many of these fools don't deserve to be American citizens, but that's just my opinion; what do I know?

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boy...
Posted by: WyrdSister on Nov 6, 2009 11:10 AM   
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they dont care that their racism is showing...in bright loud colors...er would that hafta be bright white.

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5,000 is a big protest???
Posted by: goodyweaver on Nov 6, 2009 12:24 PM   
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You know, I was listening to conservative talk radio yesterday, and what really struck me was the fact that these people really think that their little protests are relevant. I say they aren't, because I have personally been in a crowd of a HALF A MILLION people in New York City, marching against the Iraq war. I've been in protests of a couple hundred thousand in DC against the war - on the same day as millions around the world joined together in the largest simultaneous protest against the same thing in recorded history. And as I recall, at the time, right wing talk acted as if we were a crazy minority - as if we should be ignored. But for SOME REASON, we're supposed to allow millions to continue uninsured (and god knows how many others lose their insurance) because of the rantings of 5,000 people? Or 10,000 even? Hysterical.

I encourage Obama to do exactly what George Bush did when millions rallied against an Iraq invasion - IGNORE THEM. Go ahead with your agenda. After all, what's good for the goose...

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No more tolerating the loonies
Posted by: billslm on Nov 6, 2009 2:28 PM   
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I cannot tolerate the Right wingnuts anymore. They are too quick to swallow lies and their connection to reality is much too tenuous to allow them to vote. At all. I think tests of sanity ought to be given at the voting booth. Pass/Fail. If you fail you don't get to vote.

Michele Bachman's chief of staff just quit! She says Michele is just too certifiably insane and she can't buy into that much craziness anymore.

They seem to feel that they are totally justified in their erroneous lala land beliefs. And that now, this will get them back into the Whitehouse. I think not. Not unless the entire citizenry of the USA has lost it's collective mind. But then they did put Bush into the presidency Twice.

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Hijacked Teabagger Bus Careens Over Cliff...Claven
Posted by: Prinzowhales on Nov 6, 2009 7:46 PM   
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The only thing worse than the Democratic plan is the Republican one (which, I think, was designed to be insanely perverse in order to make the Democratic plan palatable).

The correct plan is the one that eliminates the health insurance middlemen from the health care equation. It is single payer...it rewards good health and promotes prevention. It ends control of the FDA by pharmaceutical companies and it is for everyone.

Does the Democratic or Republican plan provide for us, what the health care plan, that we pay for, provides for the Demopublican swine and catamites of Goldman Sachs and the Insurance industry of Congress? No!

Why is anyone even upset that these clowns are protesting the worthless Democratic plan? What are Americans thinking?!! You pay for a garbage plan for yourselves, a golden plan for the swine in Congress and now you want to pay through the nose to extend a crappy plan to all Americans...that's just sick!

Its time for Americans to grow a set and get the pestilential Demopublicans out of government!!

DOWN WITH THE CORRUPT DEMOPUBLICAN REGIME! TROOPS HOME NOW!

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what are the morons against health care
Posted by: masthead on Nov 6, 2009 11:53 PM   
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proposing as an alternative? eventually they will get the care they deserve, a totally privatized country run by corporations. they will be begging for socialism then.

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makaainana
Posted by: Makaainana on Nov 7, 2009 10:50 AM   
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How does one protest government health care for the poor and uninsured when accepting it for him/her self and family?

Who pays for your health care you opponents of a public option?

Refuse the government health care for yourself and your family, pay for the care yourself, and then I'll listen to your arguments. I might not agree with them, but at least then I'll listen.

Until you do this hang a sign saying "hypocrite" around your neck when you give your next speech.

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There They Go Again
Posted by: Tom Degan on Nov 8, 2009 4:40 AM   
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Another convention of angry and clueless white people stormed into Washington, DC the other day, determined to destroy the type of health care reform that - if it goes into effect - will surely save the lives of most of the protesters who were in attendance (or their loved ones). It was the sort of weird, indescribable spectacle that makes the train-wreck of American politics (not to mention the got-busting stupidity of so many Americans) such a perverse delight to behold these days. Let's face it: crazy people are always loads of fun to watch - and the knuckleheads who showed up in Washington last week didn't disappoint.

At least one person held up a huge sign that showed a pile of bodies, victims of the European holocaust of the thirties and forties. Above this gruesome reminder of humanity's capacity for evil were the words:

NATIONAL SOCIALIST HEALTH CARE - DACHAU, GERMANY, 1945

Isn't that sweet? That seems to be quite a popular thing to do these days - equating anything connected with this administration and this president to Adolf Hitler and the Nazis. It kind of makes you wonder, doesn't it? But the highlight of the day (for my money anyway) was Congressman John Boehner. He held up a copy of what he claimed was his own personal copy of the Constitution and proceeded to quote from "it":

"We hold these truths to be self-evident - that all men are created equal."

That's not from the Constitution, Johnny. That's from the Declaration of Independence - which was written thirteen years earlier! Were we able to go back in time to 1966 - when I was in the third grade - I could have told you that then, too. When we've gotten to a point where our elected representatives can't even get basic American history right, we're in, as Harry Truman liked to say, "one hell of a fix."

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Tom Degan

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xmas coming
Posted by: nature on Nov 23, 2009 3:43 AM   
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Does the Democratic or Republican plan provide for us, what the health care plan, that we pay for, provides for the Demopublican swine and catamites of Goldman Sachs and the Insurance industry of Congress? No!Ed Hardy Ed Hardy

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Posted by: bandofotters on Nov 6, 2009 8:01 AM   
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So treating PTSD is now a defense? This guy was a VT alumnus. Let's draw a comparison to Chow while we are at it!

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Never underestimate Michele.
Posted by: warrior woman on Nov 6, 2009 3:20 AM   
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Never underestimate Michele. the congressperson who hears voices and is elected by other crazed citizens in MN. SHe is fast on the rise and is more damaging than one could imagine. It will be her, not Palin who runs for President. An alleged tax attorney who as far as anyone can find, never actually passed the bar.

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Evil Liars leading gullible people.
Posted by: marid on Nov 6, 2009 4:04 AM   
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There coming to take them away, ha ha, to the funny farm where life is beautiful all the time. Many are probably nice people but something clicked in their heads and now we have all too many listening to and believing this insidious garbage. Patriots my foot.

Promoting and supporting causes that are directly against their interests or demonstrably false. Fictional Fairytails for the Factually False, the FFFF.
And there is no way you could get even 10 of them to sit and have a real discussion about what is really going on in our country. All nutjobs and charlatans find supporters, always have, always will. The Corpse who run America must be smiling.

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Michelle Bachmann and Tim Pawlenty work for United Health Insurance
Posted by: US Citizen on Nov 6, 2009 5:13 AM   
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Of course, Michelle Bachmann and Tim Pawlenty are just stooges for corrupt ex-CEO of United Health, William McGuire. They both do McGuire's bidding to make sure the money all of us pay for health insurance doesn't actually go for our medical care. That is why Minnesota is pretty much a bottom feeder in the world of national politics.

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WANKER ALERT--Don't click on that link (IDENTITY THEFT!)
Posted by: GuitarBill on Nov 6, 2009 8:36 AM   
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This scumbag is not trying to protect your privacy; he's trying to steal your identity.

If you click on his "Privacy Center" hyperlink, the server the link points to will install a keylogger on your computer, which is used to steal your credit card number, SSN, etc.

Please, report the comment to Alternet's staff.

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Bachmann Teabag Overdrive
Posted by: eddie torres on Nov 6, 2009 7:01 AM   
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I have this creepy suspicion that many of Bachmann's robots who drove cross-country for this Astroturf atrocity may in fact be secret interstate trucking serial killers, hence the desire to "remain anonymous" when questioned by reporters.

And why do they all look like their hair was designed in 1974?

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Who are these people?
Posted by: ETSpoon on Nov 6, 2009 7:11 AM   
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You ever wonder where "teabaggers' come from? Well if you live in a predominantly white suburb or farming community or any city besides Denver and Santa Fe in the Red State Homeland of the large rectangular western states look at your neighbors.

Now look I'm going to deal in a stereotype, many say stereotypes are not legitimate, but by and large "teabaggers" fall into my stereotype.

By and large, these same so-called "teabaggers" are suburban, white and professional, or coordinator, middle class, i.e. mid-level corporate managers, doctors, lawyers, small business owners, insurance agents and so on.

They are motivated by greed. Even though the majority are comfortable economically and have incomes which puts them in the alternative minimum tax, AMT, bracket, they always want more. These are the folks who are always whining at the "tea parties," that "we know how to spend our money better than the government."

And they are motivated by envy. Curiously they envy and begrudge the poorest segments of society. Envious in that "teabaggers" envision the poor living the life of Reilly on food stamps and welfare and begrudging ever one of their tax dollars they imagine going to support that imagined lifestyle.

I might add that "teabaggers' got this way, Boomers and GenXers for the most part, because they grew up during the Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson and Nixon administrations when the government handed out plenty of everything for everybody and nobody, especially if one were child then, cared where the money came from. Of course all those federal funds came from high incomes taxes on the wealthiest Americans and industry.

But when the Boomer generation got old enough to marry, set up their own households they voted against their own self interest, i.e. Ronald Reagan and Reaganite Republicans.

After growing up in the warm afterglow of the New Deal, the Fair Deal, the New Frontier and the Great Society Boomers and GenXers display the self-centeredness of spoiled children. What "teabaggers" want is to live on The Big Rock Candy Mountain, paying no tax yet still receiving all the services and benefits only government can provide.

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LET THEM EAT CAKE
Posted by: kettleblack on Nov 6, 2009 7:13 AM   
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Bohner, Bachman, and the unanimous Republican Party can promote AND SIGN ON to their 200-page Health Care Alternative that they think is so good for the American People.
Who will be the first Conservative to actually practice what they preach?
Trickle down health care for the masses.

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Ask not...
Posted by: bandofotters on Nov 6, 2009 7:50 AM   
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Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country.

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2 words
Posted by: pawheel on Nov 6, 2009 8:49 AM   
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DO SOMETHING.

These people are being empowered by a powerful international corporation - the News corp, which owns Fox News, the Wall Street Journal and many other communication avenues throughout the world. If you think they are just morons with no power, think about this: they just had a rally on the STEPS OF THE CAPITAL, WITH CONGRESSPERSONS SPEAKING THERE!

If you or I had any kind of rally within 5 miles of that place, we would be arrested, if not beaten. I know, I was billie clubbed on a sidewalk in front of the White House in 1978, and that's when Carter was in office.

It's time to put your keyboard down and get out there a get the liberal presence in the faces of your fellow Americans. Street protest is our only avenue of getting the word out these days. It only gets on the mainstream media if Fox news supports it. It's time to get out and get the message of truth spreading.

2 more words; FIGHT FOX!

Why doesn't MSNBC or somebody start rallies like Fox does? Ask yourself who owns NBC and the other corporate networks? Look here and find out;
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/04/47530.php

2 more words: GREEN PARTY!

It's our country, lets take it back!

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Check the Banner Ad at the Bottom of this Page
Posted by: On the Border on Nov 6, 2009 8:57 AM   
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At the time I type this, that ad is a "STOP GOV'T RUN HEALTHCARE" link to an e-petition, sponsored by Americans For Progress (or whatever AFP stands for).

Hey Alternet... I'm not calling you out or anything (oh wait yes I am), but WTF? If the money's green you'll go ahead and take it, even if the online petition runs directly counter to your professed beliefs? Freaking pathetic.

Whatever integrity you once had is officially bought-and-sold. See you later. Or maybe not.

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WHY...
Posted by: constitution, what constitution on Nov 6, 2009 8:58 AM   
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did they ruin such a perfectly good flag?

I stomached about 15 minutes of the rally before I had to turn off CSPAN. The ever-engaging John Voigt really gave thum libruls a piece of his mind. As if anything Congress does will affect him.

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YOU OBAMA BUTT KISSERS
Posted by: collins101 on Nov 6, 2009 9:28 AM   
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get off your kool-aid already. That smirking con man will never see a second term. 'KEN-YA TRUST OBAMA" I love it!

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Tragicomedy
Posted by: willymack on Nov 6, 2009 9:45 AM   
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It'd be funny if it weren't so goddam SAD.
The NITWITS for Bugs Beck, Bachman, and other crazies, opposing a public option or universal health care simply have things ass-backwards in their tiny minds.
To see with our own eyes and hear the goofy rants of those displaying a Pablovian response to the talking points of insurance and pharma racketeers brings out several emotions at once.
Embarassment that we have so many fools in our country is one of them. It's like taking your kid to the doctor's for a flu shot, kicking and screaming because he knows he's getting stuck with a needle, and not thinking of how it'll prevent him from getting really sick.
As usual, we'll have to move forward, dragging the kicking and screaming fools along with us.
Sometimes, I think many of these fools don't deserve to be American citizens, but that's just my opinion; what do I know?

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boy...
Posted by: WyrdSister on Nov 6, 2009 11:10 AM   
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they dont care that their racism is showing...in bright loud colors...er would that hafta be bright white.

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5,000 is a big protest???
Posted by: goodyweaver on Nov 6, 2009 12:24 PM   
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You know, I was listening to conservative talk radio yesterday, and what really struck me was the fact that these people really think that their little protests are relevant. I say they aren't, because I have personally been in a crowd of a HALF A MILLION people in New York City, marching against the Iraq war. I've been in protests of a couple hundred thousand in DC against the war - on the same day as millions around the world joined together in the largest simultaneous protest against the same thing in recorded history. And as I recall, at the time, right wing talk acted as if we were a crazy minority - as if we should be ignored. But for SOME REASON, we're supposed to allow millions to continue uninsured (and god knows how many others lose their insurance) because of the rantings of 5,000 people? Or 10,000 even? Hysterical.

I encourage Obama to do exactly what George Bush did when millions rallied against an Iraq invasion - IGNORE THEM. Go ahead with your agenda. After all, what's good for the goose...

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No more tolerating the loonies
Posted by: billslm on Nov 6, 2009 2:28 PM   
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I cannot tolerate the Right wingnuts anymore. They are too quick to swallow lies and their connection to reality is much too tenuous to allow them to vote. At all. I think tests of sanity ought to be given at the voting booth. Pass/Fail. If you fail you don't get to vote.

Michele Bachman's chief of staff just quit! She says Michele is just too certifiably insane and she can't buy into that much craziness anymore.

They seem to feel that they are totally justified in their erroneous lala land beliefs. And that now, this will get them back into the Whitehouse. I think not. Not unless the entire citizenry of the USA has lost it's collective mind. But then they did put Bush into the presidency Twice.

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Hijacked Teabagger Bus Careens Over Cliff...Claven
Posted by: Prinzowhales on Nov 6, 2009 7:46 PM   
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The only thing worse than the Democratic plan is the Republican one (which, I think, was designed to be insanely perverse in order to make the Democratic plan palatable).

The correct plan is the one that eliminates the health insurance middlemen from the health care equation. It is single payer...it rewards good health and promotes prevention. It ends control of the FDA by pharmaceutical companies and it is for everyone.

Does the Democratic or Republican plan provide for us, what the health care plan, that we pay for, provides for the Demopublican swine and catamites of Goldman Sachs and the Insurance industry of Congress? No!

Why is anyone even upset that these clowns are protesting the worthless Democratic plan? What are Americans thinking?!! You pay for a garbage plan for yourselves, a golden plan for the swine in Congress and now you want to pay through the nose to extend a crappy plan to all Americans...that's just sick!

Its time for Americans to grow a set and get the pestilential Demopublicans out of government!!

DOWN WITH THE CORRUPT DEMOPUBLICAN REGIME! TROOPS HOME NOW!

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what are the morons against health care
Posted by: masthead on Nov 6, 2009 11:53 PM   
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proposing as an alternative? eventually they will get the care they deserve, a totally privatized country run by corporations. they will be begging for socialism then.

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makaainana
Posted by: Makaainana on Nov 7, 2009 10:50 AM   
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How does one protest government health care for the poor and uninsured when accepting it for him/her self and family?

Who pays for your health care you opponents of a public option?

Refuse the government health care for yourself and your family, pay for the care yourself, and then I'll listen to your arguments. I might not agree with them, but at least then I'll listen.

Until you do this hang a sign saying "hypocrite" around your neck when you give your next speech.

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There They Go Again
Posted by: Tom Degan on Nov 8, 2009 4:40 AM   
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Another convention of angry and clueless white people stormed into Washington, DC the other day, determined to destroy the type of health care reform that - if it goes into effect - will surely save the lives of most of the protesters who were in attendance (or their loved ones). It was the sort of weird, indescribable spectacle that makes the train-wreck of American politics (not to mention the got-busting stupidity of so many Americans) such a perverse delight to behold these days. Let's face it: crazy people are always loads of fun to watch - and the knuckleheads who showed up in Washington last week didn't disappoint.

At least one person held up a huge sign that showed a pile of bodies, victims of the European holocaust of the thirties and forties. Above this gruesome reminder of humanity's capacity for evil were the words:

NATIONAL SOCIALIST HEALTH CARE - DACHAU, GERMANY, 1945

Isn't that sweet? That seems to be quite a popular thing to do these days - equating anything connected with this administration and this president to Adolf Hitler and the Nazis. It kind of makes you wonder, doesn't it? But the highlight of the day (for my money anyway) was Congressman John Boehner. He held up a copy of what he claimed was his own personal copy of the Constitution and proceeded to quote from "it":

"We hold these truths to be self-evident - that all men are created equal."

That's not from the Constitution, Johnny. That's from the Declaration of Independence - which was written thirteen years earlier! Were we able to go back in time to 1966 - when I was in the third grade - I could have told you that then, too. When we've gotten to a point where our elected representatives can't even get basic American history right, we're in, as Harry Truman liked to say, "one hell of a fix."

http://www.tomdegan.blogspot.com

Tom Degan

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Posted by: nature on Nov 23, 2009 3:43 AM   
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Does the Democratic or Republican plan provide for us, what the health care plan, that we pay for, provides for the Demopublican swine and catamites of Goldman Sachs and the Insurance industry of Congress? No!Ed Hardy Ed Hardy

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