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Want to Save Our Economy from Almighty Greed? Here Are 10 Crucial Fights and Key Fighters to Watch
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Let's face it, financial regulation is boring and complicated. But if the economic crisis taught us anything, it's that bringing Wall Street under control is one of the most critical domestic policies facing the country right now.
Here's what you need to know, and who you need to watch, as Congress readies its banking overhaul.
1. A New Consumer Financial Protection Agency. Subprime mortgages. Abusive and arbitrary rate hikes on your credit card. Payday loans. If you're wondering who lets banks get away with this crap, there are more people at it than you think. There are no less than four federal regulators responsible for overseeing consumer protection in finance, and all of them are terrible.
Regulators currently are responsible not only for keeping consumers safe from predation but for ensuring the "safety and soundness" of banks -- that is, keeping banks from failing.
Not surprisingly, sometimes what's best for bank balance sheets doesn't exactly jive with the interests of consumers. If banks can fend off failure by gouging you on your credit card, they're going to do it, and regulators aren't going to lift a finger to stop them.
What's worse, regulators actually compete to prove to banks how lax they can be at enforcing consumer protections. Each agency is funded by taxes it levies on banks it regulates, and banks can choose who they want to regulate them. If one agency is too tough, the bank can switch regulators. The result is a race-to-the bottom in regulatory standards where the interests of consumers are ignored.
The obvious solution is to give these consumer-protection responsibilities to a single regulator with no such conflicts and with the power to enforce uniform standards across the entire industry. That's what President Barack Obama proposed in June, and it was by far the most significant reform on his Wall Street agenda.
Unfortunately, the bank lobby has seriously watered down the bill in Congress. One of the chief advocates for the CFPA, Rep. Brad Miller, D-N.C., sponsored an amendment exempting 8,000 of the nation's 8,200 banks from the CFPA's oversight.
And it's getting worse -- the powers of the agency are being diminished with every committee. The latest one subjected the CFPA director to input from other commissioners and regulators from the same agencies that failed to prevent the current crisis.
These destructive amendments can be stripped out on the House floor, but only if Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has the political will to make it happen.
2. Too big to fail. Here's an idea: Let's give a handful of firms on Wall Street so much economic power that if they ever fail, the entire economy will collapse with them. Sound good? Of course not. But sadly, that's what Wall Street looks like today, and the problem has actually gotten worse since the financial crisis began because troubled firms have been eaten up in a flurry of mergers with stronger behemoths to stave off catastrophe.
The solution? Break up the banks to a size where failure does not destroy the economy, and ban banks from participating in the capital markets casino. Similarly, companies that engage in speculative, risky securities trading would be banned from doing the boring, economically essential banking activities such as accepting deposits and making loans.
With the two types of banking separated, we have a useful banking sector to support the economy even if the Wild West finance hits the skids.
Obama and his inner circle of advisers have no interest in breaking up the banks or ending too-big-to-fail. Their plan to deal with "too big to fail" would codify the government's ability to bailout big firms with an unlimited amount of loans, guarantees and asset purchases.
In other words, Obama wants to make the Troubled Asset Relief Program a permanent government policy. If that sounds crazy, it is.
3. Derivatives. When people say "derivatives," they mean the crazy financial weapons of mass destruction that brought down AIG. But they also mean hundreds of trillions of dollars of other crazy shit.
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Posted by: sicntired on Nov 5, 2009 1:50 AM
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Posted by: williameon on Nov 5, 2009 3:40 AM
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By building, growing, providing a service or creating something.
Go back to your roots.
Become Self Sustainable, Reliant and Efficient.
Break the chains of Corpirate Slavery
Buy FREEDOM!
Start in your own backyard.
Plant gardens, wind turbines and solar cells.
Invent something!
Save the magic seeds!
Join the Micro-Democracy Revolution
Go Local
Go Green
Go Organic
Survive and Prosper!
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Posted by: franklyspanking on Nov 5, 2009 3:42 AM
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Quit buying crap you don't need and can't afford.
That 0 percernt mortgage felt really good until you actually had to start paying for the time value of money, dinnit govnah'? How'd that work out for you?
Your cable news seems awfully good, what with Fox News and MSNBC, doesn't it? And what a bargain at ~roughly the cost dining at home for two weeks.
Naught wrong with a bit of greed. It's when you folks add greed to policy decisions that affect your neighbors that things start to go awry.
Enjoy this bit of reality this morning, in your otherwise insulated wee world. Or do the Obama/Bush dance, and just invade your fellows' wallet.
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» RE: ON TUESDAY NIGHT, GOLDMAN SACHS HACK JON CORZINE WAS SHUT DOWN BY THE VOTERS !
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» Yeah, like the "vice grip" the other day....
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» RE: Poor Grammar = Suspect Content?
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» Thanks Charles
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Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Nov 5, 2009 5:00 AM
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Can the Green or some other third Party put up a good candidate against Dodd? It might be worth a try.
Also, when do the criminal investigations start?
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on Nov 5, 2009 5:00 AM
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I was aware several months ago of the incident where Baxter contaminated a flu vaccine in an incredibly dangerous way which would have caused a Deadly Pandemic except for a test that a Checkoslovakian lab techician ran on his own initiative. This was reported in the Toronto Sun but was not widely published anywhere else in the mainstream.
I thought all the flu scares that have been relentlessly promoted by the mainstream press, were simply to increase profits for pharmaceutical companies, but that there would be no great danger to the general public.
The ideas on numerous internet sites, about a planned program of depopulation by the World Health Organisation were simply too far fetched to be taken seriously.
Putting all the different strands together of all events concerning vaccinations and the various types of flu, both scientific and political is extremely difficult to get your head around - because there are so many.
The vast majority of people will think this just a wild conspiracy story, that could not possible be true - as did I until today.
The problem I have though is that - maybe because I was named after a Nun, I have maintained both a Fear and Respect of Nuns.
The Nun in the video "A Nun in the Field of Vaccines/Flu Tells the Truth!" scares the hell out of me. This isn't easy to watch, as it goes on for 1 hour - and its in Spanish with English subtitles, and she doesn't half go on....
However, the content and its implications should scare the shit out of you.
If it doesn't you haven't been paying attention.
Sure it sounds crazy that "they" really are trying to "solve" the overpopulation problem like - NOW - and kill Several Billion People over the Next Few Months - but this Girl Is Telling The Truth. This is Not out of Some Science Fiction Film - It is Real, Here and NOW
A Nun in the Field of Vaccines/Flu Tells the Truth!
Or in English an Interview With Jane Burgermeister
Project Camelot interviews Jane Burgermeister
I welcome any attempts to prove that either or both of what these women are saying is false, because I really do not want it to be true. But if what they are saying is true, then this is far more important than anything else.
Tony
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» tony the tinfoil hatter said...
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» Jane an Edinburgh University Educated Medical Journalist Warns of a Bioweapon Designed To Kill
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» RE: Thanks for the synopsis
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» RE: You can tell she is telling the truth and the Truth is Completely Horrendous.
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» Sister_Lauren - I am not a disinformation spreading spy
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» RE: I am not a disinformation spreading spy... just a conspiracy junkie devoid of common sense
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» off topic but valuable info
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» conspiracy spam
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» RE: The Economy Will Be Pretty Much Irrelevant If You and Your Family Are Dead
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» You Simply Do Not Realise The Love Of a WOMAN - Especially a MOTHER
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» Tony, at the risk of being presumptuous...
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» RE: Expecting such a person to go against his schooling, without a major trauma is silly
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» WHere do these ideas come from?
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» RE: WHere do these ideas come from? - batshit crazy conspiranoids
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» That is hilarious!
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» Law of the Chicago Thug "School" Is More Accurate
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Posted by: melpol on Nov 5, 2009 5:55 AM
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Posted by: Zuma on Nov 5, 2009 6:06 AM
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Return the rule of law and *then* (and only then) we can repair the broken (repealed) laws (like reinstituting glass-steagall) and departments (SEC, FCC, Justice, you name it).
Degarrisoning the planet of US force would go a long way toward a peace process. We must want to no longer be pirates, rapists, sadists, murderers, kidnappers. We cannot make such choice with the corporacracy in power.
Get Infragard out of the fusion centers, and revoke their shooting license. Dedeputize them!
A return of propriety and perspective is long overdue. silence is consent.
http://cryptogon.com/?p=12011#comments
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Posted by: newsound on Nov 5, 2009 6:20 AM
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Wall Street, healthcare, unemployment, the environment, energy, the infrastructure, two expensive wars . . . all that.
EVERYBODY knows what's wrong, yet NOBODY can get anything done. The reason:
Election money and lobbyists. Until these aspects of politics are regulated or eliminated, don't expect any policy decisions that will be beneficial to American consumers and workers.
Even if we really had a progressive leadership and Congress, strong, equitable and progressive policies will always be "watered-down" by the powerful well-funded lobby.
Until something is done about that, don't expect ANYTHING to change for the better.
Plutocracy is the new Democracy. Period.
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» closed mind is easier . . . .
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Posted by: warrior woman on Nov 5, 2009 6:25 AM
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Posted by: moloko velocet on Nov 5, 2009 6:55 AM
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The US political system quite simply does not work (vis-a-vis "the people")...the only answer is a non-Wall Street-Blest, progressive third party, not beholden or answerable to the Kleptocracy.
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» I've been a member of the Green Party...
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Posted by: lclark on Nov 5, 2009 6:57 AM
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Since we import more than we export, how can the economic picture improve?
Since small business and farming is disadvantaged by corporate control of retail and the production, purchase, and distribution of food, how will wealth be distributed to the general population rather than the continued concentration of wealth into a smaller number of the super-wealthy?
Since our debt is increasing to foreign governments, where is the power to act independently of the interests of foreign governments?
Since our federal legislators and executive branch can only run for office with the financial assistance of special interests, how will indedendent thinking and action by our so called "representatives" be possible?
Since credit is being reduced for Americans so it will be avialable for areas of the planet where the multinationals now want to encourage consumption, how can small small business regain any vitality?
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Posted by: bvennie on Nov 5, 2009 7:06 AM
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In recent years we have seen a windfall of corporate crime and esurience. Along with the current Depression there have been banking failures, a collapse in the auto industry, bailouts of companies like AIG who awarded executives exotic junkets and large bonuses, ad infinitum. Through this crisis, the innerworkings of the global financial system
have been stripped of all raiment and the fraudulent nature of the entire economy exposed. From Ponzi schemes to rackets, banksters, politicians and corporate executives have abused crony-capitalism and in net-effect hijacked the structural machinations of civilization.
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» RE: I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THAT OLDER WOMEN ARE SIMPLY UNATTRACTIVE
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» This moron posted this dribble on every story.
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» It's "drivel," stupid. I'm surprised you spelled "moron" right
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» I noticed they took your comment down a--hole
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» I am anti-spamming, moron. Get a clue
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Posted by: lclark on Nov 5, 2009 7:16 AM
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The fields are owned by thier masters
When the people complain they are taking too much
they come up with another disaster.
and when in the barn and out of sight
they are often heard to utter:
"All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others."
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» Greed is the problem, so let's call it as we see it. We need to make greed a crime
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» Can We Start With Charlie Rangel?
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Nov 5, 2009 7:47 AM
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These "whiz-kids" are rewarded in our society. Young future MBA's in buisiness schools look on them as idols and role models. The strategies of the "whiz kids" are studied and held-up as examples of "saavy investment-management".
Greed and excuses for greed have become the accepted standard today in America. Compassion and fellow-feeling to others are despised. I mean--when did you last see a company hire a CEO or upper executive because he had "compassion"?
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Posted by: permanentilt on Nov 5, 2009 8:08 AM
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ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!?!?!?!?
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Posted by: oregoncharles on Nov 5, 2009 10:18 AM
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Is Zach looking for a job with Democratic Congresscritters? Because he sounds afraid to offend them, except for Dodd. Barney Frank is no "progressive" on these issues, and he, too, is up for re-election next year. And Pelosi: well, I'm practially speechless. Does anyone actually think we can hope for anything from her?
Similarly for the issues: he describes the problem of smorgasbord regulators, but doesn't suggest fixing it. Apparently that isn't even "on the table." And he's incredibly weak on derivatives: it should be illegal to trade anything that isn't tightly regulated, but that isn't "on the table," either. And most derivatives should be illegal.
Incidentally, "Cap and Trade" would mostly create a whole new class of derivatives for the "Traders" to screw us over. A carbon tax is a much simpler, more effective approach that would yield some much-needed revenue, but the Democrats took that "off the table", too.
(There's an interesting compromise between the two approaches: it would cap pollution, then auction the resulting quotas; the proceeds would go into a fund that pays out to all Americans equally - since the air, water, etc. belong to all of us. You can figure out the implications. That one isn't "on the table," either.)
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» P.S.: So he did that, and I didn't notice.
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» RE: So We Just Blame the Democrats:
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Posted by: tim_s_eb@yahoo.com on Nov 5, 2009 11:51 AM
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Let us take their power with our creativity and imagination, let them keep their gold, diamonds and dollars to bury themselves in.
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Posted by: cplot on Nov 5, 2009 1:33 PM
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2. Carter (the author) misunderstands what “too big to fail” means. It does not mean they are actually too big to fail. They obviously failed despite their size. Rather “too big to fail” is a euphemism for the childish tantrum the banks threw when they demanded the tax payers give them trillions of public dollars. Again, we do not need to regulate these banks or trust bust them, we simply need to move all of our savings, lending, and borrowing to a National Credit Exchange operated by a Federal bureau transparently, responsive to the needs of the public and as directed democratically by Congress.
3. The issue with derivatives was not a lack of regulation, but the misguided bailout of those derivatives. If the insurance benefit provided by derivatives is important enough to the public it should be moved to a National Insurance Fund. Other derivatives should be freely traded, but clear disclosure should accompany those derivatives that no government bailouts will back those financial instruments.
4. On leveraging we need to clearly differentiate what that means. For our monetary system leverage relates to the required and excess reserves held by banks from demand deposits (basically checking accounts). We should require 100% reserves so their can be no leverage with our money supply. Secondly we have leverage or its inverse, reserves, in our credit markets. A National Credit Exchange can pool the risks of leverage within our credit markets and Congress and a bureau should determine the appropriate reserves to pay out for savings instruments. Finally, investment funds such as Charles Schwabb, TIAA-CREF, and others leverage as well, but they typically do so in a responsible and well regulated manner. They can very well predict the liquidity needs themselves due to their size (the law of large numbers) and their careful analysis.
5. Executive compensation should not be an issue because Congress should have never raided the public treasury to bailout these “too big to fail” institutions. This was a failure of democracy and these congressional members should be held responsible.
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on Nov 5, 2009 3:18 PM
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We Will Not Execute You
Words Are O.K.
What The Fuck Is Wrong With You
WHY DO YOU NOT Do YOUR JOBS
Why are You So Weak?
Why Don't You Talk To Jane?
Oh We Are Not Allowed To
If We Talk To Her We Will Lose Our Jobs
I Mean For Fucks Sake
I Am Not a Journalist
How Come You Can't Do Your Jobs
You COMPLETE COWARDS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PelTWCUmTsU&
Tony
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on Nov 5, 2009 3:41 PM
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I Believe In Keeping Them Alive For As Longas Humanly Possible
IN JAIL
As an Example of How EVIL Our Human Race Can Be...
This EVIL IS SPECIAL
It Has Never Occurred Before in Human History - So Far as I Know
Killing Is Too Kind
These Guys Have TORTURED Completely Innocent People For Nearly 10 Years
I am Not Suggesting That We Inflict Any Physical Pain On These People
I WANT FAR MORE JUSTICE
I want them To Live As Long as Possible So They Can Each Personally EXPERIENCE IN THEIR BRAIN - The HORRORS Personally EXPERIENCED BY ALL THEIR VICTIMS
Tony
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on Nov 5, 2009 4:07 PM
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I Do Realise That Sometimes I am a Bit OTT
And If It is a Girl - It Can Be Easy To Just Sweep Her Off Her Feet and Cuddle Her as We Completely Fall Off Our Chairs and Spill All The Drinks....
Sure I Might Find it a Bit Objectionable If My Wife Got To Him First
I Get Away With It - Cos I Do The Same To My Male Friends...
Well Not Really
I Once Snogged a Hells Angel When I Was Really Drunk and Thought Never AGAIN _it Was Horrible - He Looked Like Father Christmas and I Didn't Like His Beard
But Everyone Laughed
I don't have a Problem With The Girls
We All Know I Love My Wife - And She Sees Everything - Or If I Don't Tell Her - Her Friends Do
Tony
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on Nov 5, 2009 4:23 PM
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THE BRAVE ONE LAST NIGHT WITH MY WIFE
We Both Thought The Name Of The Film Was Crap
But JODIE FOSTER
Was MAGNIFICENT
I Mean That Cunt What He Is Called Did His Christ Torture Move Gil Megson - What a Cunt
JODIE FOSTER BLEW HIM AWAY
Why Didn't She Get an OSCAR
For FUCKS SAKE
Give Me Your EMOTION
Tony
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Yet as this cycle repeats time after time the system concentrates more and more with income getting more concentrated each time and with productive assets concentrating. The system becomes chronically stagnant due to low levels of effective demand and so turns to ever more exotic financial markets and speculation to produce profit as the profit rate in the production of goods and services falls. In 2006, the US financial industry accounted for less than 5% of all jobs but over 40% of all corporate profits. Financialization of the system resulted from a falling rate of profit in the real economy.
Redistribution is necessary to restore the economy. This means public investment, a fiscal stimulus, a jobs program and unionization to restore decent wage levels and a middle class. The last business cycle recovery from 2001 to 2007 was the first one in the post-WWII era to whereby the median national income actually decreased, declining by 3.9% from over $52,000 to around $50,000. This is the consequence of capitalist greed and stagnation. It was policy driven and can only be reversed by policy.
Job loss is continuing but at a slower pace. Throughout the first quarter of 2009 the average monthly rate of job loss was about 770,000 jobs. In the following quarter it slowed to 500,000 and in the third quarter, the one which showed high annualized growth, the pace of monthly job loss slowed to 250,000. Currently, monthly job losses are about 190,000. The stimulus package is clearly slowing the increase in the rate of unemployment but more needs to be done. Economists estimate that without a jobs program and a stimulus unemployment will go even higher and over $6 trillion in output will be lost by 2014. We need intervention now. The economy is at stake.
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Posted by: mike_burns on Nov 8, 2009 11:38 AM
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This is not free enterprise. This is plane theft or welfare for the wealthy.
We need tea bag rallies, but with the right focus. It isn't the poor on welfare that is destroying us. It is the welfare for rich bankers.
When tea baggers cry out against socialism, it is a misguided truth. It is the socialized banking that needs to come to an end.
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Posted by: williameon on Nov 5, 2009 3:40 AM
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By building, growing, providing a service or creating something.
Go back to your roots.
Become Self Sustainable, Reliant and Efficient.
Break the chains of Corpirate Slavery
Buy FREEDOM!
Start in your own backyard.
Plant gardens, wind turbines and solar cells.
Invent something!
Save the magic seeds!
Join the Micro-Democracy Revolution
Go Local
Go Green
Go Organic
Survive and Prosper!
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Posted by: franklyspanking on Nov 5, 2009 3:42 AM
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Quit buying crap you don't need and can't afford.
That 0 percernt mortgage felt really good until you actually had to start paying for the time value of money, dinnit govnah'? How'd that work out for you?
Your cable news seems awfully good, what with Fox News and MSNBC, doesn't it? And what a bargain at ~roughly the cost dining at home for two weeks.
Naught wrong with a bit of greed. It's when you folks add greed to policy decisions that affect your neighbors that things start to go awry.
Enjoy this bit of reality this morning, in your otherwise insulated wee world. Or do the Obama/Bush dance, and just invade your fellows' wallet.
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Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Nov 5, 2009 5:00 AM
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Can the Green or some other third Party put up a good candidate against Dodd? It might be worth a try.
Also, when do the criminal investigations start?
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on Nov 5, 2009 5:00 AM
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I was aware several months ago of the incident where Baxter contaminated a flu vaccine in an incredibly dangerous way which would have caused a Deadly Pandemic except for a test that a Checkoslovakian lab techician ran on his own initiative. This was reported in the Toronto Sun but was not widely published anywhere else in the mainstream.
I thought all the flu scares that have been relentlessly promoted by the mainstream press, were simply to increase profits for pharmaceutical companies, but that there would be no great danger to the general public.
The ideas on numerous internet sites, about a planned program of depopulation by the World Health Organisation were simply too far fetched to be taken seriously.
Putting all the different strands together of all events concerning vaccinations and the various types of flu, both scientific and political is extremely difficult to get your head around - because there are so many.
The vast majority of people will think this just a wild conspiracy story, that could not possible be true - as did I until today.
The problem I have though is that - maybe because I was named after a Nun, I have maintained both a Fear and Respect of Nuns.
The Nun in the video "A Nun in the Field of Vaccines/Flu Tells the Truth!" scares the hell out of me. This isn't easy to watch, as it goes on for 1 hour - and its in Spanish with English subtitles, and she doesn't half go on....
However, the content and its implications should scare the shit out of you.
If it doesn't you haven't been paying attention.
Sure it sounds crazy that "they" really are trying to "solve" the overpopulation problem like - NOW - and kill Several Billion People over the Next Few Months - but this Girl Is Telling The Truth. This is Not out of Some Science Fiction Film - It is Real, Here and NOW
A Nun in the Field of Vaccines/Flu Tells the Truth!
Or in English an Interview With Jane Burgermeister
Project Camelot interviews Jane Burgermeister
I welcome any attempts to prove that either or both of what these women are saying is false, because I really do not want it to be true. But if what they are saying is true, then this is far more important than anything else.
Tony
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» tony the tinfoil hatter said...
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» Sister_Lauren - I am not a disinformation spreading spy
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» off topic but valuable info
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» conspiracy spam
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» You Simply Do Not Realise The Love Of a WOMAN - Especially a MOTHER
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» Tony, at the risk of being presumptuous...
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» WHere do these ideas come from?
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» RE: WHere do these ideas come from? - batshit crazy conspiranoids
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» That is hilarious!
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» Law of the Chicago Thug "School" Is More Accurate
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» RE: Wonders why....
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Posted by: Zuma on Nov 5, 2009 6:06 AM
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Return the rule of law and *then* (and only then) we can repair the broken (repealed) laws (like reinstituting glass-steagall) and departments (SEC, FCC, Justice, you name it).
Degarrisoning the planet of US force would go a long way toward a peace process. We must want to no longer be pirates, rapists, sadists, murderers, kidnappers. We cannot make such choice with the corporacracy in power.
Get Infragard out of the fusion centers, and revoke their shooting license. Dedeputize them!
A return of propriety and perspective is long overdue. silence is consent.
http://cryptogon.com/?p=12011#comments
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Posted by: newsound on Nov 5, 2009 6:20 AM
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Wall Street, healthcare, unemployment, the environment, energy, the infrastructure, two expensive wars . . . all that.
EVERYBODY knows what's wrong, yet NOBODY can get anything done. The reason:
Election money and lobbyists. Until these aspects of politics are regulated or eliminated, don't expect any policy decisions that will be beneficial to American consumers and workers.
Even if we really had a progressive leadership and Congress, strong, equitable and progressive policies will always be "watered-down" by the powerful well-funded lobby.
Until something is done about that, don't expect ANYTHING to change for the better.
Plutocracy is the new Democracy. Period.
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» closed mind is easier . . . .
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Posted by: warrior woman on Nov 5, 2009 6:25 AM
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Posted by: moloko velocet on Nov 5, 2009 6:55 AM
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The US political system quite simply does not work (vis-a-vis "the people")...the only answer is a non-Wall Street-Blest, progressive third party, not beholden or answerable to the Kleptocracy.
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Posted by: lclark on Nov 5, 2009 6:57 AM
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Since we import more than we export, how can the economic picture improve?
Since small business and farming is disadvantaged by corporate control of retail and the production, purchase, and distribution of food, how will wealth be distributed to the general population rather than the continued concentration of wealth into a smaller number of the super-wealthy?
Since our debt is increasing to foreign governments, where is the power to act independently of the interests of foreign governments?
Since our federal legislators and executive branch can only run for office with the financial assistance of special interests, how will indedendent thinking and action by our so called "representatives" be possible?
Since credit is being reduced for Americans so it will be avialable for areas of the planet where the multinationals now want to encourage consumption, how can small small business regain any vitality?
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Posted by: bvennie on Nov 5, 2009 7:06 AM
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In recent years we have seen a windfall of corporate crime and esurience. Along with the current Depression there have been banking failures, a collapse in the auto industry, bailouts of companies like AIG who awarded executives exotic junkets and large bonuses, ad infinitum. Through this crisis, the innerworkings of the global financial system
have been stripped of all raiment and the fraudulent nature of the entire economy exposed. From Ponzi schemes to rackets, banksters, politicians and corporate executives have abused crony-capitalism and in net-effect hijacked the structural machinations of civilization.
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» RE: I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THAT OLDER WOMEN ARE SIMPLY UNATTRACTIVE
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» This moron posted this dribble on every story.
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» It's "drivel," stupid. I'm surprised you spelled "moron" right
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Posted by: lclark on Nov 5, 2009 7:16 AM
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The fields are owned by thier masters
When the people complain they are taking too much
they come up with another disaster.
and when in the barn and out of sight
they are often heard to utter:
"All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others."
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» Greed is the problem, so let's call it as we see it. We need to make greed a crime
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» Can We Start With Charlie Rangel?
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Nov 5, 2009 7:47 AM
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These "whiz-kids" are rewarded in our society. Young future MBA's in buisiness schools look on them as idols and role models. The strategies of the "whiz kids" are studied and held-up as examples of "saavy investment-management".
Greed and excuses for greed have become the accepted standard today in America. Compassion and fellow-feeling to others are despised. I mean--when did you last see a company hire a CEO or upper executive because he had "compassion"?
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ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!?!?!?!?
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Is Zach looking for a job with Democratic Congresscritters? Because he sounds afraid to offend them, except for Dodd. Barney Frank is no "progressive" on these issues, and he, too, is up for re-election next year. And Pelosi: well, I'm practially speechless. Does anyone actually think we can hope for anything from her?
Similarly for the issues: he describes the problem of smorgasbord regulators, but doesn't suggest fixing it. Apparently that isn't even "on the table." And he's incredibly weak on derivatives: it should be illegal to trade anything that isn't tightly regulated, but that isn't "on the table," either. And most derivatives should be illegal.
Incidentally, "Cap and Trade" would mostly create a whole new class of derivatives for the "Traders" to screw us over. A carbon tax is a much simpler, more effective approach that would yield some much-needed revenue, but the Democrats took that "off the table", too.
(There's an interesting compromise between the two approaches: it would cap pollution, then auction the resulting quotas; the proceeds would go into a fund that pays out to all Americans equally - since the air, water, etc. belong to all of us. You can figure out the implications. That one isn't "on the table," either.)
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» P.S.: So he did that, and I didn't notice.
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Posted by: tim_s_eb@yahoo.com on Nov 5, 2009 11:51 AM
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Let us take their power with our creativity and imagination, let them keep their gold, diamonds and dollars to bury themselves in.
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2. Carter (the author) misunderstands what “too big to fail” means. It does not mean they are actually too big to fail. They obviously failed despite their size. Rather “too big to fail” is a euphemism for the childish tantrum the banks threw when they demanded the tax payers give them trillions of public dollars. Again, we do not need to regulate these banks or trust bust them, we simply need to move all of our savings, lending, and borrowing to a National Credit Exchange operated by a Federal bureau transparently, responsive to the needs of the public and as directed democratically by Congress.
3. The issue with derivatives was not a lack of regulation, but the misguided bailout of those derivatives. If the insurance benefit provided by derivatives is important enough to the public it should be moved to a National Insurance Fund. Other derivatives should be freely traded, but clear disclosure should accompany those derivatives that no government bailouts will back those financial instruments.
4. On leveraging we need to clearly differentiate what that means. For our monetary system leverage relates to the required and excess reserves held by banks from demand deposits (basically checking accounts). We should require 100% reserves so their can be no leverage with our money supply. Secondly we have leverage or its inverse, reserves, in our credit markets. A National Credit Exchange can pool the risks of leverage within our credit markets and Congress and a bureau should determine the appropriate reserves to pay out for savings instruments. Finally, investment funds such as Charles Schwabb, TIAA-CREF, and others leverage as well, but they typically do so in a responsible and well regulated manner. They can very well predict the liquidity needs themselves due to their size (the law of large numbers) and their careful analysis.
5. Executive compensation should not be an issue because Congress should have never raided the public treasury to bailout these “too big to fail” institutions. This was a failure of democracy and these congressional members should be held responsible.
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on Nov 5, 2009 3:18 PM
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We Will Not Execute You
Words Are O.K.
What The Fuck Is Wrong With You
WHY DO YOU NOT Do YOUR JOBS
Why are You So Weak?
Why Don't You Talk To Jane?
Oh We Are Not Allowed To
If We Talk To Her We Will Lose Our Jobs
I Mean For Fucks Sake
I Am Not a Journalist
How Come You Can't Do Your Jobs
You COMPLETE COWARDS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PelTWCUmTsU&
Tony
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I Believe In Keeping Them Alive For As Longas Humanly Possible
IN JAIL
As an Example of How EVIL Our Human Race Can Be...
This EVIL IS SPECIAL
It Has Never Occurred Before in Human History - So Far as I Know
Killing Is Too Kind
These Guys Have TORTURED Completely Innocent People For Nearly 10 Years
I am Not Suggesting That We Inflict Any Physical Pain On These People
I WANT FAR MORE JUSTICE
I want them To Live As Long as Possible So They Can Each Personally EXPERIENCE IN THEIR BRAIN - The HORRORS Personally EXPERIENCED BY ALL THEIR VICTIMS
Tony
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on Nov 5, 2009 4:07 PM
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I Do Realise That Sometimes I am a Bit OTT
And If It is a Girl - It Can Be Easy To Just Sweep Her Off Her Feet and Cuddle Her as We Completely Fall Off Our Chairs and Spill All The Drinks....
Sure I Might Find it a Bit Objectionable If My Wife Got To Him First
I Get Away With It - Cos I Do The Same To My Male Friends...
Well Not Really
I Once Snogged a Hells Angel When I Was Really Drunk and Thought Never AGAIN _it Was Horrible - He Looked Like Father Christmas and I Didn't Like His Beard
But Everyone Laughed
I don't have a Problem With The Girls
We All Know I Love My Wife - And She Sees Everything - Or If I Don't Tell Her - Her Friends Do
Tony
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on Nov 5, 2009 4:23 PM
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THE BRAVE ONE LAST NIGHT WITH MY WIFE
We Both Thought The Name Of The Film Was Crap
But JODIE FOSTER
Was MAGNIFICENT
I Mean That Cunt What He Is Called Did His Christ Torture Move Gil Megson - What a Cunt
JODIE FOSTER BLEW HIM AWAY
Why Didn't She Get an OSCAR
For FUCKS SAKE
Give Me Your EMOTION
Tony
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Posted by: yellow on Nov 6, 2009 12:58 PM
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Yet as this cycle repeats time after time the system concentrates more and more with income getting more concentrated each time and with productive assets concentrating. The system becomes chronically stagnant due to low levels of effective demand and so turns to ever more exotic financial markets and speculation to produce profit as the profit rate in the production of goods and services falls. In 2006, the US financial industry accounted for less than 5% of all jobs but over 40% of all corporate profits. Financialization of the system resulted from a falling rate of profit in the real economy.
Redistribution is necessary to restore the economy. This means public investment, a fiscal stimulus, a jobs program and unionization to restore decent wage levels and a middle class. The last business cycle recovery from 2001 to 2007 was the first one in the post-WWII era to whereby the median national income actually decreased, declining by 3.9% from over $52,000 to around $50,000. This is the consequence of capitalist greed and stagnation. It was policy driven and can only be reversed by policy.
Job loss is continuing but at a slower pace. Throughout the first quarter of 2009 the average monthly rate of job loss was about 770,000 jobs. In the following quarter it slowed to 500,000 and in the third quarter, the one which showed high annualized growth, the pace of monthly job loss slowed to 250,000. Currently, monthly job losses are about 190,000. The stimulus package is clearly slowing the increase in the rate of unemployment but more needs to be done. Economists estimate that without a jobs program and a stimulus unemployment will go even higher and over $6 trillion in output will be lost by 2014. We need intervention now. The economy is at stake.
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Posted by: mike_burns on Nov 8, 2009 11:38 AM
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This is not free enterprise. This is plane theft or welfare for the wealthy.
We need tea bag rallies, but with the right focus. It isn't the poor on welfare that is destroying us. It is the welfare for rich bankers.
When tea baggers cry out against socialism, it is a misguided truth. It is the socialized banking that needs to come to an end.
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