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Want to Save Our Economy from Almighty Greed? Here Are 10 Crucial Fights and Key Fighters to Watch

If the economic crisis taught us anything, it's that bringing to heel the whiz kids of finance is a top priority.
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Let's face it, financial regulation is boring and complicated. But if the economic crisis taught us anything, it's that bringing Wall Street under control is one of the most critical domestic policies facing the country right now.

Here's what you need to know, and who you need to watch, as Congress readies its banking overhaul.

1. A New Consumer Financial Protection Agency. Subprime mortgages. Abusive and arbitrary rate hikes on your credit card. Payday loans. If you're wondering who lets banks get away with this crap, there are more people at it than you think. There are no less than four federal regulators responsible for overseeing consumer protection in finance, and all of them are terrible.

Regulators currently are responsible not only for keeping consumers safe from predation but for ensuring the "safety and soundness" of banks -- that is, keeping banks from failing.

Not surprisingly, sometimes what's best for bank balance sheets doesn't exactly jive with the interests of consumers. If banks can fend off failure by gouging you on your credit card, they're going to do it, and regulators aren't going to lift a finger to stop them.

What's worse, regulators actually compete to prove to banks how lax they can be at enforcing consumer protections. Each agency is funded by taxes it levies on banks it regulates, and banks can choose who they want to regulate them. If one agency is too tough, the bank can switch regulators. The result is a race-to-the bottom in regulatory standards where the interests of consumers are ignored.

The obvious solution is to give these consumer-protection responsibilities to a single regulator with no such conflicts and with the power to enforce uniform standards across the entire industry. That's what President Barack Obama proposed in June, and it was by far the most significant reform on his Wall Street agenda.

Unfortunately, the bank lobby has seriously watered down the bill in Congress. One of the chief advocates for the CFPA, Rep. Brad Miller, D-N.C., sponsored an amendment exempting 8,000 of the nation's 8,200 banks from the CFPA's oversight.

And it's getting worse -- the powers of the agency are being diminished with every committee. The latest one subjected the CFPA director to input from other commissioners and regulators from the same agencies that failed to prevent the current crisis.

These destructive amendments can be stripped out on the House floor, but only if Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has the political will to make it happen.

2. Too big to fail. Here's an idea: Let's give a handful of firms on Wall Street so much economic power that if they ever fail, the entire economy will collapse with them. Sound good? Of course not. But sadly, that's what Wall Street looks like today, and the problem has actually gotten worse since the financial crisis began because troubled firms have been eaten up in a flurry of mergers with stronger behemoths to stave off catastrophe.

The solution? Break up the banks to a size where failure does not destroy the economy, and ban banks from participating in the capital markets casino. Similarly, companies that engage in speculative, risky securities trading would be banned from doing the boring, economically essential banking activities such as accepting deposits and making loans.

With the two types of banking separated, we have a useful banking sector to support the economy even if the Wild West finance hits the skids.

Obama and his inner circle of advisers have no interest in breaking up the banks or ending too-big-to-fail. Their plan to deal with "too big to fail" would codify the government's ability to bailout big firms with an unlimited amount of loans, guarantees and asset purchases.

In other words, Obama wants to make the Troubled Asset Relief Program a permanent government policy. If that sounds crazy, it is.

3. Derivatives. When people say "derivatives," they mean the crazy financial weapons of mass destruction that brought down AIG. But they also mean hundreds of trillions of dollars of other crazy shit.


Zach Carter writes a weekly blog on the economy for the Media Consortium. His work has appeared in the American Prospect, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution and on CNBC.
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no will
Posted by: sicntired on Nov 5, 2009 1:50 AM   
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The system is so broken that no one has any clue how to fix it.The bailouts were a huge mistake that has made the break even worse.Who thinks that it would have been worse if the banks and institutions like AIG had failed it would be any worse than it already is?If anyone deserved a bailout it was the people duped into fast money loans that they couldn't afford by predatory lenders.Now the wall street fat cats are up to the same old shit and we,the people have a huge bill to pay.I can remember the Enron collapse and all the fraud exposed there and it's the same mind set that is running amok right now.These people are incapable of change and there is no one that will stop them.We have seen the enemy and he is us.

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The article title is wrong...
Posted by: Hans B on Nov 5, 2009 1:56 AM   
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... or are we to believe that Ms Warren and Pelosi are two of the ten powers standing in the way of reform?

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BAIL OUT NOW!
Posted by: williameon on Nov 5, 2009 3:40 AM   
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How do you create wealth?
By building, growing, providing a service or creating something.
Go back to your roots.

Become Self Sustainable, Reliant and Efficient.
Break the chains of Corpirate Slavery
Buy FREEDOM!
Start in your own backyard.

Plant gardens, wind turbines and solar cells.
Invent something!
Save the magic seeds!

Join the Micro-Democracy Revolution

Go Local
Go Green
Go Organic

Survive and Prosper!

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Save yourself, first.
Posted by: franklyspanking on Nov 5, 2009 3:42 AM   
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Literally.

Quit buying crap you don't need and can't afford.

That 0 percernt mortgage felt really good until you actually had to start paying for the time value of money, dinnit govnah'? How'd that work out for you?

Your cable news seems awfully good, what with Fox News and MSNBC, doesn't it? And what a bargain at ~roughly the cost dining at home for two weeks.

Naught wrong with a bit of greed. It's when you folks add greed to policy decisions that affect your neighbors that things start to go awry.

Enjoy this bit of reality this morning, in your otherwise insulated wee world. Or do the Obama/Bush dance, and just invade your fellows' wallet.

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ON TUESDAY NIGHT, GOLDMAN SACHS HACK JON CORZINE WAS SHUT DOWN BY THE VOTERS !
Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 5, 2009 4:12 AM   
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GOOD JOB NJ ! IT MAY SUCK THAT BOTH VA AND NJ WILL BE STUCK WITH REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS BUT TUESDAY'S ELECTION TURNED OUT TO BE A VERY VERY BAD OMEN FOR OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATS AS I HAD PREDICTED ALL ALONG ! PAY ATTENTION WASHINGTON BECAUSE TUESDAY WAS ONLY A WARMUP OF WHAT'S TO COME. THE REPUBLICANS ALREADY HAVE 50 HOUSE SEATS AND A DOZEN SENATE SEATS TO TARGET NEXT YEAR AND THERE IS A STRONGER POSSIBILITY THAT OBAMA WILL ALSO GO DOWN IN FLAMES COME 2012 AND NOT EVEN BE ABLE TO CARRY HIS OWN HOME STATE. WE'RE WARNING YOU. PLAY THE "CENTRIST" CARD AND WE'LL STAY OUT THE ELECTIONS AND LET YOUR PARTY BURN IN HELL !!!

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Poor Grammar = Suspect Content?
Posted by: cavan on Nov 5, 2009 4:27 AM   
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The headline "Want to Save . . . ? Here's 10 Targets . . . ." should be "Want to Save . . . ? Here ARE 10 Targets . . . ." If a writer's not intelligent, educated, or experienced enough to use proper grammar in a headline, can the text of his article be trusted? Poor writing and poor editing imply sloppiness and incompetence on all levels.

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» Thanks Charles Posted by: Joshua Holland

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Fantastic story, thanks!
Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Nov 5, 2009 5:00 AM   
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This is a really nice summary of what is going on, thanks for writing it. It looks like it sets some concrete political goals for us for our 2010 election too.

Can the Green or some other third Party put up a good candidate against Dodd? It might be worth a try.

Also, when do the criminal investigations start?

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The Economy Will Be Pretty Much Irrelevant If You and Your Family Are Dead
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Nov 5, 2009 5:00 AM   
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I must admit that until today, I haven't taken any of the flu scare stories too seriously. Both my kids have had all the usual vaccinations, including my daughter recently for HPV which is supposed to protect against cervical cancer, and my son for Yellow Fever before he went to South America.

I was aware several months ago of the incident where Baxter contaminated a flu vaccine in an incredibly dangerous way which would have caused a Deadly Pandemic except for a test that a Checkoslovakian lab techician ran on his own initiative. This was reported in the Toronto Sun but was not widely published anywhere else in the mainstream.

I thought all the flu scares that have been relentlessly promoted by the mainstream press, were simply to increase profits for pharmaceutical companies, but that there would be no great danger to the general public.

The ideas on numerous internet sites, about a planned program of depopulation by the World Health Organisation were simply too far fetched to be taken seriously.

Putting all the different strands together of all events concerning vaccinations and the various types of flu, both scientific and political is extremely difficult to get your head around - because there are so many.

The vast majority of people will think this just a wild conspiracy story, that could not possible be true - as did I until today.

The problem I have though is that - maybe because I was named after a Nun, I have maintained both a Fear and Respect of Nuns.

The Nun in the video "A Nun in the Field of Vaccines/Flu Tells the Truth!" scares the hell out of me. This isn't easy to watch, as it goes on for 1 hour - and its in Spanish with English subtitles, and she doesn't half go on....

However, the content and its implications should scare the shit out of you.

If it doesn't you haven't been paying attention.

Sure it sounds crazy that "they" really are trying to "solve" the overpopulation problem like - NOW - and kill Several Billion People over the Next Few Months - but this Girl Is Telling The Truth. This is Not out of Some Science Fiction Film - It is Real, Here and NOW

A Nun in the Field of Vaccines/Flu Tells the Truth!

Or in English an Interview With Jane Burgermeister

Project Camelot interviews Jane Burgermeister

I welcome any attempts to prove that either or both of what these women are saying is false, because I really do not want it to be true. But if what they are saying is true, then this is far more important than anything else.

Tony

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BA
Posted by: mnstra on Nov 5, 2009 5:15 AM   
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11 arrest the wall street bastards now.

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Wonders why....
Posted by: Marlena on Nov 5, 2009 5:12 AM   
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..so many people can't,don't or won't grasp is ..Obama is a supply side Friedmanite, just like Rayguns and his ilk?? He attended the Chicago School of Economics!! Expecting such a person to go against his schooling, without a major trauma is silly

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Unchained Greed Is Here To Stay.
Posted by: melpol on Nov 5, 2009 5:55 AM   
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Eliminating unchained greed from the planet is as difficult as passing a camel through the head of a needle. The only selflessness we see is watching the kindness of some parents toward their children. Under the right conditions a powerful nation will rape,rob, and plunder the weak. Unless humans sprout wings nothing will change.

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GREED??? We have become nazi hell monsters...
Posted by: Zuma on Nov 5, 2009 6:06 AM   
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We need to regain constitutional control first and foremost. No martial law. Return habeas corpus and posse comitatus. Return balance of powers (rescue our captive Congress). No more edicts (signing statements) from the throne. No more mercenary forces flying our flag.

Return the rule of law and *then* (and only then) we can repair the broken (repealed) laws (like reinstituting glass-steagall) and departments (SEC, FCC, Justice, you name it).

Degarrisoning the planet of US force would go a long way toward a peace process. We must want to no longer be pirates, rapists, sadists, murderers, kidnappers. We cannot make such choice with the corporacracy in power.

Get Infragard out of the fusion centers, and revoke their shooting license. Dedeputize them!

A return of propriety and perspective is long overdue. silence is consent.

http://cryptogon.com/?p=12011#comments

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Watered down progress . . .
Posted by: newsound on Nov 5, 2009 6:20 AM   
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It's a funny thing about ALL of the issues confronting America today:
Wall Street, healthcare, unemployment, the environment, energy, the infrastructure, two expensive wars . . . all that.

EVERYBODY knows what's wrong, yet NOBODY can get anything done. The reason:
Election money and lobbyists. Until these aspects of politics are regulated or eliminated, don't expect any policy decisions that will be beneficial to American consumers and workers.

Even if we really had a progressive leadership and Congress, strong, equitable and progressive policies will always be "watered-down" by the powerful well-funded lobby.

Until something is done about that, don't expect ANYTHING to change for the better.

Plutocracy is the new Democracy. Period.

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Hey
Posted by: warrior woman on Nov 5, 2009 6:25 AM   
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Hey, how bout the Democrats are no damn different than the Republicans? Huh?? That's right, quit making excuses for the deliberate actions taken by Democrats to screw us right, left and oh yea, center.

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gilhowcan
Posted by: gilhowcan on Nov 5, 2009 6:31 AM   
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And what a perfect graphic presenting the bloated and dead economy caused by the continuing greed of the slopping Wall St. and banking masters! Will we ever learn? We haven't yet, not even this close to the disaster. And I'm not seeing much in the way of analysis of last Tuesday's election and the effect of the economy on it. Is someone going to dare tell me, in the short time since the deregulating and "small government" Republicans brought on all this mess that the voters in any election have forgotten and are even considering displacing that blame onto the Democrats. The most the Democrats can be blamed for is not taking more stringent action to cure the pigs of Wall St. and the banks. That's the symbol that should stand at Broadway and Wall Sts., a giant, bloated, scruffy, pig that can't even get up!

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Progressive Third Party Alternative
Posted by: moloko velocet on Nov 5, 2009 6:55 AM   
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If we can mount a 'grass-roots' initiative to place an obscure, black, Illinois senator in the white house, why the hell can't we use the next three years to create and institute a viable progressive third-party alternative to this two-party dance of the absurd?

The US political system quite simply does not work (vis-a-vis "the people")...the only answer is a non-Wall Street-Blest, progressive third party, not beholden or answerable to the Kleptocracy.

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how to bounce back?
Posted by: lclark on Nov 5, 2009 6:57 AM   
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Since manufacturing continues to be exported, where are those jobs coming from?

Since we import more than we export, how can the economic picture improve?

Since small business and farming is disadvantaged by corporate control of retail and the production, purchase, and distribution of food, how will wealth be distributed to the general population rather than the continued concentration of wealth into a smaller number of the super-wealthy?

Since our debt is increasing to foreign governments, where is the power to act independently of the interests of foreign governments?

Since our federal legislators and executive branch can only run for office with the financial assistance of special interests, how will indedendent thinking and action by our so called "representatives" be possible?

Since credit is being reduced for Americans so it will be avialable for areas of the planet where the multinationals now want to encourage consumption, how can small small business regain any vitality?

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This is what it is about
Posted by: bvennie on Nov 5, 2009 7:06 AM   
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Finance Capital’s Agenda of Serfdom for ‘their’ Human Capital: how the speculative economy enthroned the uberclass, their suspect policies, and how public banks and notes can counter the ‘masters of the universe’

In recent years we have seen a windfall of corporate crime and esurience. Along with the current Depression there have been banking failures, a collapse in the auto industry, bailouts of companies like AIG who awarded executives exotic junkets and large bonuses, ad infinitum. Through this crisis, the innerworkings of the global financial system
have been stripped of all raiment and the fraudulent nature of the entire economy exposed. From Ponzi schemes to rackets, banksters, politicians and corporate executives have abused crony-capitalism and in net-effect hijacked the structural machinations of civilization.

continue reading

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the feeders
Posted by: lclark on Nov 5, 2009 7:16 AM   
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The Donkeys and Elephants are grazing off the land;
The fields are owned by thier masters
When the people complain they are taking too much
they come up with another disaster.
and when in the barn and out of sight
they are often heard to utter:
"All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others."

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STOP CALLING IT GREED
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 5, 2009 7:41 AM   
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Greed is not a crime. Actually in moderate doses, it motivates people. What we're trying to adress is 'crime' on Wall St. and throughout the banking system. There's a difference. Back when 401k plans were doing so well that people didn't even open their statements, No one called it anything. The greed was fair because the profits were shared. Like the run up to the Iraq invasion, 9/11 and the financial disaster, no one even gets fired. Big deal, Bernie Madoff went to jail. We have a nation of untouchables. When you think of the list of people who cannot be fired it's frightening. Starting with local police on up to the White House. The rules that the Bush Admin. threw out worked for us for over 70 years. A system run by people will never be perfect, but the gravity of the economic failure could have been controlled. So it's not Greed it's criminal behavior. Nobody wants to address it on that level because that can't deal with the consequences. Namely, alot of people going to the slammer. ANNA

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The Whiz Kids are Rewarded!
Posted by: zooeyhall on Nov 5, 2009 7:47 AM   
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The bottom-line: in Ameri-Capitalism, the motto is: "if you make money, you don't make apologies!"

These "whiz-kids" are rewarded in our society. Young future MBA's in buisiness schools look on them as idols and role models. The strategies of the "whiz kids" are studied and held-up as examples of "saavy investment-management".

Greed and excuses for greed have become the accepted standard today in America. Compassion and fellow-feeling to others are despised. I mean--when did you last see a company hire a CEO or upper executive because he had "compassion"?

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wtf
Posted by: permanentilt on Nov 5, 2009 8:08 AM   
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Pelosi????? Dodd?????????

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!?!?!?!?

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Independent Consultant Soylicoius Candles
Posted by: SoyliciousCandles on Nov 5, 2009 8:12 AM   
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I totally agree with this. It's way out of hand and the small business people are suffering while the Tycoons of Wall Street kill Americans right here on our land.

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Fine article, but the private Federal Reserve System must be eliminated! It lends us our own money
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Nov 5, 2009 8:36 AM   
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at interest, & is bankrupting our nation!!!

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SOLUTION: Import duties and labor unions
Posted by: billwald on Nov 5, 2009 9:33 AM   
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We can only fight our owners by organizing the working class and imposing import duties on manufactured products.

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Mealy-Mouthed
Posted by: oregoncharles on Nov 5, 2009 10:18 AM   
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Pretty good guide to the challenges, but very weak on both the politics and the reforms that are needed.

Is Zach looking for a job with Democratic Congresscritters? Because he sounds afraid to offend them, except for Dodd. Barney Frank is no "progressive" on these issues, and he, too, is up for re-election next year. And Pelosi: well, I'm practially speechless. Does anyone actually think we can hope for anything from her?

Similarly for the issues: he describes the problem of smorgasbord regulators, but doesn't suggest fixing it. Apparently that isn't even "on the table." And he's incredibly weak on derivatives: it should be illegal to trade anything that isn't tightly regulated, but that isn't "on the table," either. And most derivatives should be illegal.

Incidentally, "Cap and Trade" would mostly create a whole new class of derivatives for the "Traders" to screw us over. A carbon tax is a much simpler, more effective approach that would yield some much-needed revenue, but the Democrats took that "off the table", too.

(There's an interesting compromise between the two approaches: it would cap pollution, then auction the resulting quotas; the proceeds would go into a fund that pays out to all Americans equally - since the air, water, etc. belong to all of us. You can figure out the implications. That one isn't "on the table," either.)

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Capitalism Hits the Fan - by Richard Wolff
Posted by: tim_s_eb@yahoo.com on Nov 5, 2009 11:35 AM   
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The way to fix our economics is to empower the little guy, and according to Richard Wolff regulating businesses will not work as has been tried and failed. We must break down the huge monsters with the anti trust laws and do away with the entity so called the corporation. Capitalism in America is predatory and exploitative, the notion to reduce or eliminate government is extremely cleaver, devious GOP trick and a death blow to the American liberty as we have known it. The GOP's promotion of smaller government and uncontrolled big business is like letting the wolves in charge of the cattle totally vulnerable and unprotected.

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Tax the shit out of the billionare elites
Posted by: tim_s_eb@yahoo.com on Nov 5, 2009 11:51 AM   
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Why is it that our tax burden keeps increasing but our buying power and control of the taxes we pay is on a free fall especially since Ronald Reagan? Why are the average American public so sheepish? They pay taxes and trust the fucking bloody bastards with their lives, they don't fight back when the hospital bills cause their financial extinction, the IRS takes their homes, etc...where are their balls? We must be assertive and put the SOB's on the defensive and run them off into outer space. America has wealth in the form of skilled unemployed workers, great educational institutions, productive land and plenty of water resources, we don't need the damn banking system at all, we can trade and create our own little banking systems around the nation as cooperatives and cultivate and share crops that we ourselves grow, it is easy and is being done as we speak.

Let us take their power with our creativity and imagination, let them keep their gold, diamonds and dollars to bury themselves in.

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a proposal
Posted by: tazdelaney on Nov 5, 2009 12:03 PM   
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funny that your photo for this article is the fallen bull downtown near wall street... look, let me make a pitch here... i'm a lifelong multimedia artist and political activist since i was 14, in 1968. i want to do an art/activist event down on wall street in which i set up a fake guilotine... the laws are clear that unless i'm blocking traffic or sidewalks, i need no license to exercise my 1st amendment rights. however, this won't keep the cops from arresting me for it anyway. i don't have the $3-5,000 it will take to make the guilotine in a woodshop, (I have formal specs for the project); rent a van to bring it there, etc. most importantly, i have to make sure media coverage happens aplenty, will take a few calls just beforehand. millions might see and appreciate it. a handful will decidedly not like it and get an itchy feeling in their necks, as they damn well should, the 'let them eat cake' crowd. i'm absolutely serious and unafraid of the legal consequences. hey, it might even give me artsales! interested parties contact me: plexflux@nyc.rr.com.

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We need to shit the debate on finance dramatically
Posted by: cplot on Nov 5, 2009 1:33 PM   
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1. Regulation is not the answer. We need to retake our financial services and run it as a public commons. We should establish a National Insurance Fund for insurance and a National Credit Exchange to provide a market for credit instruments. Advances in computers have basically made the banks obsolete, but the banks have used computers to provide for their needs and not the needs of the general public. Once we have a National Credit Exchange, credit will be much more widely available to everyone, there will be no market for payday loans, and we, the people, can start to take charge of our own economic future.

2. Carter (the author) misunderstands what “too big to fail” means. It does not mean they are actually too big to fail. They obviously failed despite their size. Rather “too big to fail” is a euphemism for the childish tantrum the banks threw when they demanded the tax payers give them trillions of public dollars. Again, we do not need to regulate these banks or trust bust them, we simply need to move all of our savings, lending, and borrowing to a National Credit Exchange operated by a Federal bureau transparently, responsive to the needs of the public and as directed democratically by Congress.

3. The issue with derivatives was not a lack of regulation, but the misguided bailout of those derivatives. If the insurance benefit provided by derivatives is important enough to the public it should be moved to a National Insurance Fund. Other derivatives should be freely traded, but clear disclosure should accompany those derivatives that no government bailouts will back those financial instruments.

4. On leveraging we need to clearly differentiate what that means. For our monetary system leverage relates to the required and excess reserves held by banks from demand deposits (basically checking accounts). We should require 100% reserves so their can be no leverage with our money supply. Secondly we have leverage or its inverse, reserves, in our credit markets. A National Credit Exchange can pool the risks of leverage within our credit markets and Congress and a bureau should determine the appropriate reserves to pay out for savings instruments. Finally, investment funds such as Charles Schwabb, TIAA-CREF, and others leverage as well, but they typically do so in a responsible and well regulated manner. They can very well predict the liquidity needs themselves due to their size (the law of large numbers) and their careful analysis.

5. Executive compensation should not be an issue because Congress should have never raided the public treasury to bailout these “too big to fail” institutions. This was a failure of democracy and these congressional members should be held responsible.

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After All Complicit Journalists For Failing In Their Basic Duties Have Been Interrogated
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Nov 5, 2009 3:18 PM   
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By The New World Order

We Will Not Execute You

Words Are O.K.

What The Fuck Is Wrong With You

WHY DO YOU NOT Do YOUR JOBS

Why are You So Weak?

Why Don't You Talk To Jane?

Oh We Are Not Allowed To

If We Talk To Her We Will Lose Our Jobs

I Mean For Fucks Sake

I Am Not a Journalist

How Come You Can't Do Your Jobs

You COMPLETE COWARDS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PelTWCUmTsU&

Tony

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DEBUNK THEORY OF WHY DICK CHENEY AND TONY BLAIR SHOULDN@T BE KEPT ALIVE AS LONG AS POSSIBLE
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Nov 5, 2009 3:41 PM   
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Well, I do Not Belive in Capital Punishment - Not Even For Mass Murderers...

I Believe In Keeping Them Alive For As Longas Humanly Possible

IN JAIL

As an Example of How EVIL Our Human Race Can Be...

This EVIL IS SPECIAL

It Has Never Occurred Before in Human History - So Far as I Know

Killing Is Too Kind

These Guys Have TORTURED Completely Innocent People For Nearly 10 Years

I am Not Suggesting That We Inflict Any Physical Pain On These People

I WANT FAR MORE JUSTICE

I want them To Live As Long as Possible So They Can Each Personally EXPERIENCE IN THEIR BRAIN - The HORRORS Personally EXPERIENCED BY ALL THEIR VICTIMS

Tony

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I Personally Think It Is O.K. To Hug & Kiss Your Friends Especially When You Haven't Seen Them For
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Nov 5, 2009 4:07 PM   
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Awhile...

I Do Realise That Sometimes I am a Bit OTT

And If It is a Girl - It Can Be Easy To Just Sweep Her Off Her Feet and Cuddle Her as We Completely Fall Off Our Chairs and Spill All The Drinks....

Sure I Might Find it a Bit Objectionable If My Wife Got To Him First

I Get Away With It - Cos I Do The Same To My Male Friends...

Well Not Really

I Once Snogged a Hells Angel When I Was Really Drunk and Thought Never AGAIN _it Was Horrible - He Looked Like Father Christmas and I Didn't Like His Beard

But Everyone Laughed

I don't have a Problem With The Girls

We All Know I Love My Wife - And She Sees Everything - Or If I Don't Tell Her - Her Friends Do

Tony

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You See I Am Also Subject To THE MSM PROGRAMMING
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Nov 5, 2009 4:23 PM   
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I Saw

THE BRAVE ONE LAST NIGHT WITH MY WIFE

We Both Thought The Name Of The Film Was Crap

But JODIE FOSTER

Was MAGNIFICENT

I Mean That Cunt What He Is Called Did His Christ Torture Move Gil Megson - What a Cunt

JODIE FOSTER BLEW HIM AWAY

Why Didn't She Get an OSCAR

For FUCKS SAKE

Give Me Your EMOTION

Tony

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Capitalism is an Irrational System. In addition, there is the ever present issue of Sheer Greed
Posted by: yellow on Nov 6, 2009 12:58 PM   
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Capitalism certainly is to blame. It is an irrational system that has become chronically stagnant due to its monopolistic and income concentrating tendencies. Because the system consists of monopoly production, prices in general are not flexible in the sense that free market theory claims. As the economy contracts in the downward phase of a business cycle, capitalists simply cut back on production in order to save profit margins creating overcapacity and unemployment. The drop in effective demand created by this reenforces the downward slide in the economy. External stimulus is generally needed to restart the cycle.

Yet as this cycle repeats time after time the system concentrates more and more with income getting more concentrated each time and with productive assets concentrating. The system becomes chronically stagnant due to low levels of effective demand and so turns to ever more exotic financial markets and speculation to produce profit as the profit rate in the production of goods and services falls. In 2006, the US financial industry accounted for less than 5% of all jobs but over 40% of all corporate profits. Financialization of the system resulted from a falling rate of profit in the real economy.

Redistribution is necessary to restore the economy. This means public investment, a fiscal stimulus, a jobs program and unionization to restore decent wage levels and a middle class. The last business cycle recovery from 2001 to 2007 was the first one in the post-WWII era to whereby the median national income actually decreased, declining by 3.9% from over $52,000 to around $50,000. This is the consequence of capitalist greed and stagnation. It was policy driven and can only be reversed by policy.

Job loss is continuing but at a slower pace. Throughout the first quarter of 2009 the average monthly rate of job loss was about 770,000 jobs. In the following quarter it slowed to 500,000 and in the third quarter, the one which showed high annualized growth, the pace of monthly job loss slowed to 250,000. Currently, monthly job losses are about 190,000. The stimulus package is clearly slowing the increase in the rate of unemployment but more needs to be done. Economists estimate that without a jobs program and a stimulus unemployment will go even higher and over $6 trillion in output will be lost by 2014. We need intervention now. The economy is at stake.

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Adam Smith
Posted by: mike_burns on Nov 8, 2009 11:38 AM   
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Adam Smith viewed self-interest to be a good economic force, but he specified enlightened self-interest and was against monopolies. Too big to fail is just another way to say a monopoly.
This is not free enterprise. This is plane theft or welfare for the wealthy.
We need tea bag rallies, but with the right focus. It isn't the poor on welfare that is destroying us. It is the welfare for rich bankers.
When tea baggers cry out against socialism, it is a misguided truth. It is the socialized banking that needs to come to an end.

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no will
Posted by: sicntired on Nov 5, 2009 1:50 AM   
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The system is so broken that no one has any clue how to fix it.The bailouts were a huge mistake that has made the break even worse.Who thinks that it would have been worse if the banks and institutions like AIG had failed it would be any worse than it already is?If anyone deserved a bailout it was the people duped into fast money loans that they couldn't afford by predatory lenders.Now the wall street fat cats are up to the same old shit and we,the people have a huge bill to pay.I can remember the Enron collapse and all the fraud exposed there and it's the same mind set that is running amok right now.These people are incapable of change and there is no one that will stop them.We have seen the enemy and he is us.

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The article title is wrong...
Posted by: Hans B on Nov 5, 2009 1:56 AM   
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... or are we to believe that Ms Warren and Pelosi are two of the ten powers standing in the way of reform?

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BAIL OUT NOW!
Posted by: williameon on Nov 5, 2009 3:40 AM   
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How do you create wealth?
By building, growing, providing a service or creating something.
Go back to your roots.

Become Self Sustainable, Reliant and Efficient.
Break the chains of Corpirate Slavery
Buy FREEDOM!
Start in your own backyard.

Plant gardens, wind turbines and solar cells.
Invent something!
Save the magic seeds!

Join the Micro-Democracy Revolution

Go Local
Go Green
Go Organic

Survive and Prosper!

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Save yourself, first.
Posted by: franklyspanking on Nov 5, 2009 3:42 AM   
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Literally.

Quit buying crap you don't need and can't afford.

That 0 percernt mortgage felt really good until you actually had to start paying for the time value of money, dinnit govnah'? How'd that work out for you?

Your cable news seems awfully good, what with Fox News and MSNBC, doesn't it? And what a bargain at ~roughly the cost dining at home for two weeks.

Naught wrong with a bit of greed. It's when you folks add greed to policy decisions that affect your neighbors that things start to go awry.

Enjoy this bit of reality this morning, in your otherwise insulated wee world. Or do the Obama/Bush dance, and just invade your fellows' wallet.

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ON TUESDAY NIGHT, GOLDMAN SACHS HACK JON CORZINE WAS SHUT DOWN BY THE VOTERS !
Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 5, 2009 4:12 AM   
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GOOD JOB NJ ! IT MAY SUCK THAT BOTH VA AND NJ WILL BE STUCK WITH REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS BUT TUESDAY'S ELECTION TURNED OUT TO BE A VERY VERY BAD OMEN FOR OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATS AS I HAD PREDICTED ALL ALONG ! PAY ATTENTION WASHINGTON BECAUSE TUESDAY WAS ONLY A WARMUP OF WHAT'S TO COME. THE REPUBLICANS ALREADY HAVE 50 HOUSE SEATS AND A DOZEN SENATE SEATS TO TARGET NEXT YEAR AND THERE IS A STRONGER POSSIBILITY THAT OBAMA WILL ALSO GO DOWN IN FLAMES COME 2012 AND NOT EVEN BE ABLE TO CARRY HIS OWN HOME STATE. WE'RE WARNING YOU. PLAY THE "CENTRIST" CARD AND WE'LL STAY OUT THE ELECTIONS AND LET YOUR PARTY BURN IN HELL !!!

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Poor Grammar = Suspect Content?
Posted by: cavan on Nov 5, 2009 4:27 AM   
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The headline "Want to Save . . . ? Here's 10 Targets . . . ." should be "Want to Save . . . ? Here ARE 10 Targets . . . ." If a writer's not intelligent, educated, or experienced enough to use proper grammar in a headline, can the text of his article be trusted? Poor writing and poor editing imply sloppiness and incompetence on all levels.

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Fantastic story, thanks!
Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Nov 5, 2009 5:00 AM   
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This is a really nice summary of what is going on, thanks for writing it. It looks like it sets some concrete political goals for us for our 2010 election too.

Can the Green or some other third Party put up a good candidate against Dodd? It might be worth a try.

Also, when do the criminal investigations start?

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The Economy Will Be Pretty Much Irrelevant If You and Your Family Are Dead
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Nov 5, 2009 5:00 AM   
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I must admit that until today, I haven't taken any of the flu scare stories too seriously. Both my kids have had all the usual vaccinations, including my daughter recently for HPV which is supposed to protect against cervical cancer, and my son for Yellow Fever before he went to South America.

I was aware several months ago of the incident where Baxter contaminated a flu vaccine in an incredibly dangerous way which would have caused a Deadly Pandemic except for a test that a Checkoslovakian lab techician ran on his own initiative. This was reported in the Toronto Sun but was not widely published anywhere else in the mainstream.

I thought all the flu scares that have been relentlessly promoted by the mainstream press, were simply to increase profits for pharmaceutical companies, but that there would be no great danger to the general public.

The ideas on numerous internet sites, about a planned program of depopulation by the World Health Organisation were simply too far fetched to be taken seriously.

Putting all the different strands together of all events concerning vaccinations and the various types of flu, both scientific and political is extremely difficult to get your head around - because there are so many.

The vast majority of people will think this just a wild conspiracy story, that could not possible be true - as did I until today.

The problem I have though is that - maybe because I was named after a Nun, I have maintained both a Fear and Respect of Nuns.

The Nun in the video "A Nun in the Field of Vaccines/Flu Tells the Truth!" scares the hell out of me. This isn't easy to watch, as it goes on for 1 hour - and its in Spanish with English subtitles, and she doesn't half go on....

However, the content and its implications should scare the shit out of you.

If it doesn't you haven't been paying attention.

Sure it sounds crazy that "they" really are trying to "solve" the overpopulation problem like - NOW - and kill Several Billion People over the Next Few Months - but this Girl Is Telling The Truth. This is Not out of Some Science Fiction Film - It is Real, Here and NOW

A Nun in the Field of Vaccines/Flu Tells the Truth!

Or in English an Interview With Jane Burgermeister

Project Camelot interviews Jane Burgermeister

I welcome any attempts to prove that either or both of what these women are saying is false, because I really do not want it to be true. But if what they are saying is true, then this is far more important than anything else.

Tony

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BA
Posted by: mnstra on Nov 5, 2009 5:15 AM   
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11 arrest the wall street bastards now.

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Wonders why....
Posted by: Marlena on Nov 5, 2009 5:12 AM   
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..so many people can't,don't or won't grasp is ..Obama is a supply side Friedmanite, just like Rayguns and his ilk?? He attended the Chicago School of Economics!! Expecting such a person to go against his schooling, without a major trauma is silly

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Unchained Greed Is Here To Stay.
Posted by: melpol on Nov 5, 2009 5:55 AM   
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Eliminating unchained greed from the planet is as difficult as passing a camel through the head of a needle. The only selflessness we see is watching the kindness of some parents toward their children. Under the right conditions a powerful nation will rape,rob, and plunder the weak. Unless humans sprout wings nothing will change.

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GREED??? We have become nazi hell monsters...
Posted by: Zuma on Nov 5, 2009 6:06 AM   
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We need to regain constitutional control first and foremost. No martial law. Return habeas corpus and posse comitatus. Return balance of powers (rescue our captive Congress). No more edicts (signing statements) from the throne. No more mercenary forces flying our flag.

Return the rule of law and *then* (and only then) we can repair the broken (repealed) laws (like reinstituting glass-steagall) and departments (SEC, FCC, Justice, you name it).

Degarrisoning the planet of US force would go a long way toward a peace process. We must want to no longer be pirates, rapists, sadists, murderers, kidnappers. We cannot make such choice with the corporacracy in power.

Get Infragard out of the fusion centers, and revoke their shooting license. Dedeputize them!

A return of propriety and perspective is long overdue. silence is consent.

http://cryptogon.com/?p=12011#comments

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Watered down progress . . .
Posted by: newsound on Nov 5, 2009 6:20 AM   
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It's a funny thing about ALL of the issues confronting America today:
Wall Street, healthcare, unemployment, the environment, energy, the infrastructure, two expensive wars . . . all that.

EVERYBODY knows what's wrong, yet NOBODY can get anything done. The reason:
Election money and lobbyists. Until these aspects of politics are regulated or eliminated, don't expect any policy decisions that will be beneficial to American consumers and workers.

Even if we really had a progressive leadership and Congress, strong, equitable and progressive policies will always be "watered-down" by the powerful well-funded lobby.

Until something is done about that, don't expect ANYTHING to change for the better.

Plutocracy is the new Democracy. Period.

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Hey
Posted by: warrior woman on Nov 5, 2009 6:25 AM   
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Hey, how bout the Democrats are no damn different than the Republicans? Huh?? That's right, quit making excuses for the deliberate actions taken by Democrats to screw us right, left and oh yea, center.

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gilhowcan
Posted by: gilhowcan on Nov 5, 2009 6:31 AM   
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And what a perfect graphic presenting the bloated and dead economy caused by the continuing greed of the slopping Wall St. and banking masters! Will we ever learn? We haven't yet, not even this close to the disaster. And I'm not seeing much in the way of analysis of last Tuesday's election and the effect of the economy on it. Is someone going to dare tell me, in the short time since the deregulating and "small government" Republicans brought on all this mess that the voters in any election have forgotten and are even considering displacing that blame onto the Democrats. The most the Democrats can be blamed for is not taking more stringent action to cure the pigs of Wall St. and the banks. That's the symbol that should stand at Broadway and Wall Sts., a giant, bloated, scruffy, pig that can't even get up!

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Progressive Third Party Alternative
Posted by: moloko velocet on Nov 5, 2009 6:55 AM   
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If we can mount a 'grass-roots' initiative to place an obscure, black, Illinois senator in the white house, why the hell can't we use the next three years to create and institute a viable progressive third-party alternative to this two-party dance of the absurd?

The US political system quite simply does not work (vis-a-vis "the people")...the only answer is a non-Wall Street-Blest, progressive third party, not beholden or answerable to the Kleptocracy.

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how to bounce back?
Posted by: lclark on Nov 5, 2009 6:57 AM   
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Since manufacturing continues to be exported, where are those jobs coming from?

Since we import more than we export, how can the economic picture improve?

Since small business and farming is disadvantaged by corporate control of retail and the production, purchase, and distribution of food, how will wealth be distributed to the general population rather than the continued concentration of wealth into a smaller number of the super-wealthy?

Since our debt is increasing to foreign governments, where is the power to act independently of the interests of foreign governments?

Since our federal legislators and executive branch can only run for office with the financial assistance of special interests, how will indedendent thinking and action by our so called "representatives" be possible?

Since credit is being reduced for Americans so it will be avialable for areas of the planet where the multinationals now want to encourage consumption, how can small small business regain any vitality?

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This is what it is about
Posted by: bvennie on Nov 5, 2009 7:06 AM   
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Finance Capital’s Agenda of Serfdom for ‘their’ Human Capital: how the speculative economy enthroned the uberclass, their suspect policies, and how public banks and notes can counter the ‘masters of the universe’

In recent years we have seen a windfall of corporate crime and esurience. Along with the current Depression there have been banking failures, a collapse in the auto industry, bailouts of companies like AIG who awarded executives exotic junkets and large bonuses, ad infinitum. Through this crisis, the innerworkings of the global financial system
have been stripped of all raiment and the fraudulent nature of the entire economy exposed. From Ponzi schemes to rackets, banksters, politicians and corporate executives have abused crony-capitalism and in net-effect hijacked the structural machinations of civilization.

continue reading

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the feeders
Posted by: lclark on Nov 5, 2009 7:16 AM   
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The Donkeys and Elephants are grazing off the land;
The fields are owned by thier masters
When the people complain they are taking too much
they come up with another disaster.
and when in the barn and out of sight
they are often heard to utter:
"All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others."

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STOP CALLING IT GREED
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 5, 2009 7:41 AM   
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Greed is not a crime. Actually in moderate doses, it motivates people. What we're trying to adress is 'crime' on Wall St. and throughout the banking system. There's a difference. Back when 401k plans were doing so well that people didn't even open their statements, No one called it anything. The greed was fair because the profits were shared. Like the run up to the Iraq invasion, 9/11 and the financial disaster, no one even gets fired. Big deal, Bernie Madoff went to jail. We have a nation of untouchables. When you think of the list of people who cannot be fired it's frightening. Starting with local police on up to the White House. The rules that the Bush Admin. threw out worked for us for over 70 years. A system run by people will never be perfect, but the gravity of the economic failure could have been controlled. So it's not Greed it's criminal behavior. Nobody wants to address it on that level because that can't deal with the consequences. Namely, alot of people going to the slammer. ANNA

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The Whiz Kids are Rewarded!
Posted by: zooeyhall on Nov 5, 2009 7:47 AM   
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The bottom-line: in Ameri-Capitalism, the motto is: "if you make money, you don't make apologies!"

These "whiz-kids" are rewarded in our society. Young future MBA's in buisiness schools look on them as idols and role models. The strategies of the "whiz kids" are studied and held-up as examples of "saavy investment-management".

Greed and excuses for greed have become the accepted standard today in America. Compassion and fellow-feeling to others are despised. I mean--when did you last see a company hire a CEO or upper executive because he had "compassion"?

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wtf
Posted by: permanentilt on Nov 5, 2009 8:08 AM   
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Pelosi????? Dodd?????????

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!?!?!?!?

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Independent Consultant Soylicoius Candles
Posted by: SoyliciousCandles on Nov 5, 2009 8:12 AM   
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I totally agree with this. It's way out of hand and the small business people are suffering while the Tycoons of Wall Street kill Americans right here on our land.

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Fine article, but the private Federal Reserve System must be eliminated! It lends us our own money
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Nov 5, 2009 8:36 AM   
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at interest, & is bankrupting our nation!!!

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SOLUTION: Import duties and labor unions
Posted by: billwald on Nov 5, 2009 9:33 AM   
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We can only fight our owners by organizing the working class and imposing import duties on manufactured products.

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Mealy-Mouthed
Posted by: oregoncharles on Nov 5, 2009 10:18 AM   
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Pretty good guide to the challenges, but very weak on both the politics and the reforms that are needed.

Is Zach looking for a job with Democratic Congresscritters? Because he sounds afraid to offend them, except for Dodd. Barney Frank is no "progressive" on these issues, and he, too, is up for re-election next year. And Pelosi: well, I'm practially speechless. Does anyone actually think we can hope for anything from her?

Similarly for the issues: he describes the problem of smorgasbord regulators, but doesn't suggest fixing it. Apparently that isn't even "on the table." And he's incredibly weak on derivatives: it should be illegal to trade anything that isn't tightly regulated, but that isn't "on the table," either. And most derivatives should be illegal.

Incidentally, "Cap and Trade" would mostly create a whole new class of derivatives for the "Traders" to screw us over. A carbon tax is a much simpler, more effective approach that would yield some much-needed revenue, but the Democrats took that "off the table", too.

(There's an interesting compromise between the two approaches: it would cap pollution, then auction the resulting quotas; the proceeds would go into a fund that pays out to all Americans equally - since the air, water, etc. belong to all of us. You can figure out the implications. That one isn't "on the table," either.)

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Capitalism Hits the Fan - by Richard Wolff
Posted by: tim_s_eb@yahoo.com on Nov 5, 2009 11:35 AM   
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The way to fix our economics is to empower the little guy, and according to Richard Wolff regulating businesses will not work as has been tried and failed. We must break down the huge monsters with the anti trust laws and do away with the entity so called the corporation. Capitalism in America is predatory and exploitative, the notion to reduce or eliminate government is extremely cleaver, devious GOP trick and a death blow to the American liberty as we have known it. The GOP's promotion of smaller government and uncontrolled big business is like letting the wolves in charge of the cattle totally vulnerable and unprotected.

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Tax the shit out of the billionare elites
Posted by: tim_s_eb@yahoo.com on Nov 5, 2009 11:51 AM   
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Why is it that our tax burden keeps increasing but our buying power and control of the taxes we pay is on a free fall especially since Ronald Reagan? Why are the average American public so sheepish? They pay taxes and trust the fucking bloody bastards with their lives, they don't fight back when the hospital bills cause their financial extinction, the IRS takes their homes, etc...where are their balls? We must be assertive and put the SOB's on the defensive and run them off into outer space. America has wealth in the form of skilled unemployed workers, great educational institutions, productive land and plenty of water resources, we don't need the damn banking system at all, we can trade and create our own little banking systems around the nation as cooperatives and cultivate and share crops that we ourselves grow, it is easy and is being done as we speak.

Let us take their power with our creativity and imagination, let them keep their gold, diamonds and dollars to bury themselves in.

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a proposal
Posted by: tazdelaney on Nov 5, 2009 12:03 PM   
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funny that your photo for this article is the fallen bull downtown near wall street... look, let me make a pitch here... i'm a lifelong multimedia artist and political activist since i was 14, in 1968. i want to do an art/activist event down on wall street in which i set up a fake guilotine... the laws are clear that unless i'm blocking traffic or sidewalks, i need no license to exercise my 1st amendment rights. however, this won't keep the cops from arresting me for it anyway. i don't have the $3-5,000 it will take to make the guilotine in a woodshop, (I have formal specs for the project); rent a van to bring it there, etc. most importantly, i have to make sure media coverage happens aplenty, will take a few calls just beforehand. millions might see and appreciate it. a handful will decidedly not like it and get an itchy feeling in their necks, as they damn well should, the 'let them eat cake' crowd. i'm absolutely serious and unafraid of the legal consequences. hey, it might even give me artsales! interested parties contact me: plexflux@nyc.rr.com.

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We need to shit the debate on finance dramatically
Posted by: cplot on Nov 5, 2009 1:33 PM   
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1. Regulation is not the answer. We need to retake our financial services and run it as a public commons. We should establish a National Insurance Fund for insurance and a National Credit Exchange to provide a market for credit instruments. Advances in computers have basically made the banks obsolete, but the banks have used computers to provide for their needs and not the needs of the general public. Once we have a National Credit Exchange, credit will be much more widely available to everyone, there will be no market for payday loans, and we, the people, can start to take charge of our own economic future.

2. Carter (the author) misunderstands what “too big to fail” means. It does not mean they are actually too big to fail. They obviously failed despite their size. Rather “too big to fail” is a euphemism for the childish tantrum the banks threw when they demanded the tax payers give them trillions of public dollars. Again, we do not need to regulate these banks or trust bust them, we simply need to move all of our savings, lending, and borrowing to a National Credit Exchange operated by a Federal bureau transparently, responsive to the needs of the public and as directed democratically by Congress.

3. The issue with derivatives was not a lack of regulation, but the misguided bailout of those derivatives. If the insurance benefit provided by derivatives is important enough to the public it should be moved to a National Insurance Fund. Other derivatives should be freely traded, but clear disclosure should accompany those derivatives that no government bailouts will back those financial instruments.

4. On leveraging we need to clearly differentiate what that means. For our monetary system leverage relates to the required and excess reserves held by banks from demand deposits (basically checking accounts). We should require 100% reserves so their can be no leverage with our money supply. Secondly we have leverage or its inverse, reserves, in our credit markets. A National Credit Exchange can pool the risks of leverage within our credit markets and Congress and a bureau should determine the appropriate reserves to pay out for savings instruments. Finally, investment funds such as Charles Schwabb, TIAA-CREF, and others leverage as well, but they typically do so in a responsible and well regulated manner. They can very well predict the liquidity needs themselves due to their size (the law of large numbers) and their careful analysis.

5. Executive compensation should not be an issue because Congress should have never raided the public treasury to bailout these “too big to fail” institutions. This was a failure of democracy and these congressional members should be held responsible.

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After All Complicit Journalists For Failing In Their Basic Duties Have Been Interrogated
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Nov 5, 2009 3:18 PM   
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By The New World Order

We Will Not Execute You

Words Are O.K.

What The Fuck Is Wrong With You

WHY DO YOU NOT Do YOUR JOBS

Why are You So Weak?

Why Don't You Talk To Jane?

Oh We Are Not Allowed To

If We Talk To Her We Will Lose Our Jobs

I Mean For Fucks Sake

I Am Not a Journalist

How Come You Can't Do Your Jobs

You COMPLETE COWARDS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PelTWCUmTsU&

Tony

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DEBUNK THEORY OF WHY DICK CHENEY AND TONY BLAIR SHOULDN@T BE KEPT ALIVE AS LONG AS POSSIBLE
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Nov 5, 2009 3:41 PM   
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Well, I do Not Belive in Capital Punishment - Not Even For Mass Murderers...

I Believe In Keeping Them Alive For As Longas Humanly Possible

IN JAIL

As an Example of How EVIL Our Human Race Can Be...

This EVIL IS SPECIAL

It Has Never Occurred Before in Human History - So Far as I Know

Killing Is Too Kind

These Guys Have TORTURED Completely Innocent People For Nearly 10 Years

I am Not Suggesting That We Inflict Any Physical Pain On These People

I WANT FAR MORE JUSTICE

I want them To Live As Long as Possible So They Can Each Personally EXPERIENCE IN THEIR BRAIN - The HORRORS Personally EXPERIENCED BY ALL THEIR VICTIMS

Tony

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I Personally Think It Is O.K. To Hug & Kiss Your Friends Especially When You Haven't Seen Them For
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Nov 5, 2009 4:07 PM   
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Awhile...

I Do Realise That Sometimes I am a Bit OTT

And If It is a Girl - It Can Be Easy To Just Sweep Her Off Her Feet and Cuddle Her as We Completely Fall Off Our Chairs and Spill All The Drinks....

Sure I Might Find it a Bit Objectionable If My Wife Got To Him First

I Get Away With It - Cos I Do The Same To My Male Friends...

Well Not Really

I Once Snogged a Hells Angel When I Was Really Drunk and Thought Never AGAIN _it Was Horrible - He Looked Like Father Christmas and I Didn't Like His Beard

But Everyone Laughed

I don't have a Problem With The Girls

We All Know I Love My Wife - And She Sees Everything - Or If I Don't Tell Her - Her Friends Do

Tony

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You See I Am Also Subject To THE MSM PROGRAMMING
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Nov 5, 2009 4:23 PM   
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I Saw

THE BRAVE ONE LAST NIGHT WITH MY WIFE

We Both Thought The Name Of The Film Was Crap

But JODIE FOSTER

Was MAGNIFICENT

I Mean That Cunt What He Is Called Did His Christ Torture Move Gil Megson - What a Cunt

JODIE FOSTER BLEW HIM AWAY

Why Didn't She Get an OSCAR

For FUCKS SAKE

Give Me Your EMOTION

Tony

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Capitalism is an Irrational System. In addition, there is the ever present issue of Sheer Greed
Posted by: yellow on Nov 6, 2009 12:58 PM   
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Capitalism certainly is to blame. It is an irrational system that has become chronically stagnant due to its monopolistic and income concentrating tendencies. Because the system consists of monopoly production, prices in general are not flexible in the sense that free market theory claims. As the economy contracts in the downward phase of a business cycle, capitalists simply cut back on production in order to save profit margins creating overcapacity and unemployment. The drop in effective demand created by this reenforces the downward slide in the economy. External stimulus is generally needed to restart the cycle.

Yet as this cycle repeats time after time the system concentrates more and more with income getting more concentrated each time and with productive assets concentrating. The system becomes chronically stagnant due to low levels of effective demand and so turns to ever more exotic financial markets and speculation to produce profit as the profit rate in the production of goods and services falls. In 2006, the US financial industry accounted for less than 5% of all jobs but over 40% of all corporate profits. Financialization of the system resulted from a falling rate of profit in the real economy.

Redistribution is necessary to restore the economy. This means public investment, a fiscal stimulus, a jobs program and unionization to restore decent wage levels and a middle class. The last business cycle recovery from 2001 to 2007 was the first one in the post-WWII era to whereby the median national income actually decreased, declining by 3.9% from over $52,000 to around $50,000. This is the consequence of capitalist greed and stagnation. It was policy driven and can only be reversed by policy.

Job loss is continuing but at a slower pace. Throughout the first quarter of 2009 the average monthly rate of job loss was about 770,000 jobs. In the following quarter it slowed to 500,000 and in the third quarter, the one which showed high annualized growth, the pace of monthly job loss slowed to 250,000. Currently, monthly job losses are about 190,000. The stimulus package is clearly slowing the increase in the rate of unemployment but more needs to be done. Economists estimate that without a jobs program and a stimulus unemployment will go even higher and over $6 trillion in output will be lost by 2014. We need intervention now. The economy is at stake.

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Adam Smith
Posted by: mike_burns on Nov 8, 2009 11:38 AM   
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Adam Smith viewed self-interest to be a good economic force, but he specified enlightened self-interest and was against monopolies. Too big to fail is just another way to say a monopoly.
This is not free enterprise. This is plane theft or welfare for the wealthy.
We need tea bag rallies, but with the right focus. It isn't the poor on welfare that is destroying us. It is the welfare for rich bankers.
When tea baggers cry out against socialism, it is a misguided truth. It is the socialized banking that needs to come to an end.

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