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Sarah Palin and the Tea Party Movement Are at War With the GOP
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Tomorrow, a special election in an otherwise obscure congressional district has become very special indeed.
This weekend, the Republican candidate in the race for New York's 23rd congressional district was forced out -- by Republicans. The contest to fill a seat vacated by President Barack Obama's appointment of Republican Rep. John McHugh to the post of secretary of the Army has become a proxy war for a power struggle for the leadership of the Republican Party.
On one side is the party establishment: Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (Georgia), Majority Leader John Boehner (Ohio) and Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele, who endorsed Dede Scozzafava, the candidate selected by the local Republican Party.
On the other, we find Sarah Palin, former Alaska governor and former vice presidential candidate, Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson, and former Majority Leader from Texas Dick Armey, who are backing third-party challenger Doug Hoffman.
Once the muscle of Palin and Armey forced Scozzafava from the race on Saturday, she refused to play nice. Instead of backing Palin's pick, Scozzafava threw her support yesterday to Democrat Bill Owens.
Inside the Congress, Republicans are all about party loyalty and message discipline. But outside the Congress, on the home turf where congressional representatives win or lose, not so much -- at least not in the 23rd district of the state of New York.
While it's hard not to crack a smile at the Republicans' travails, a word of caution may be in order.
So Much for Local Control
The gurus of the Republican Party's right flank like to talk about local control and small government. They claim to represent the grassroots, the regular folks. They like to paint the Democratic president of the United States as a machine politician.
But when push came to shove and the regular people of 23rd, backed up by the GOP establishment, appeared poised to elect the pro-choice, pro-union Scozzafava, the Tea Party astroturf machine moved in, backing Hoffman, who promised pro-business, anti-woman and anti-labor votes in Congress.
Tomorrow, after the people of the upstate district conclude their balloting, either Owens, the Democrat, or Hoffman, the Conservative Party candidate, will be the first non-Republican to represent the 23rd since the Civil War.
Although Hoffman's candidacy seemed to come out of nowhere, it was the endorsement of Armey, chairman of the astroturfing group FreedomWorks, who put him on the map. Then Palin signed on via this note on her Facebook page, putting Hoffman over the top:
Political parties must stand for something. When Republicans were in the wilderness in the late 1970s, Ronald Reagan knew that the doctrine of "blurring the lines" between parties was not an appropriate way to win elections. Unfortunately, the Republican Party today has decided to choose a candidate who more than blurs the lines, and there is no real difference between the Democrat and the Republican in this race. This is why Doug Hoffman is running on the Conservative Party's ticket.
Soon Hoffman was Glenn Beck's favorite interview subject. (The local chapter of Beck's 9-12 Project is a big Hoffman booster.) Tea Party sites around the nation started talking up the Hoffman candidacy and condemning Scozzafava. The Club for Growth had found its candidate. Michelle Malkin, the Fox News commentator whom AlterNet last met at an astroturf event, threw in.
And don't forget the pundits of another media property owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corp.: those of the Wall Street Journal's editorial page.
If this cast of characters sounds familiar, it should. These are the same forces who organized the disinformation and thuggery campaign against health care reform, and are many of the same personalities who created the right-wing Tea Party march on Washington on Sept. 12 -- the one with all those "Don't Tread on Me" flags and the signs comparing Obama to Hitler and Stalin.
It's the American right, in its broadened, big-tent form, and its leaders have learned from past mistakes -- and successes.
In It For the Long Haul
Progressives can be forgiven for licking their lips at the delicious state of disarray displayed by the Grand Old Party in this particular brouhaha, for thinking that it signals doom for the GOP.
Fine, if you're thinking short-term. But this is the way radical conservatives won the larger game in the past -- by forcing the party elders to the right, even when to do so meant near-certain defeat.
In 1964, the right forced the disastrous presidential nomination of Arizona Sen. Barry Goldwater. While that defeat was resounding, it set the stage for Richard Nixon's triumph four years later by stoking the fear of communism in the American people.
Although Nixon wasn't the conservative that Goldwater was, his administration harbored some of the right's keenest minds, notably speechwriter Patrick J. Buchanan (now an MSNBC political analyst), and bureaucrat Howard Phillips, who went on co-found the religious right.
Phillips and Buchanan teamed up again in 1996 to hone the inside-outside strategy that finds echoes in tomorrow's special election in New York. Buchanan ran for the Republican presidential nomination that year, pitting himself against Kansas Sen. Bob Dole, the former majority leader.
Buchanan beat Dole in New Hampshire, but failed to win the nomination. Still, along the way, he collected enough delegates to buy himself some bargaining power.
In the meantime, Phillips had put together a far-right third party, the U.S. Taxpayers Party, that was courting Buchanan as its candidate. By threatening to march his delegates out of the GOP and into Phillips' arms, Buchanan successfully commandeered the Republican Party platform away from Dole's people and into the hands of his own. The result was disaster for Dole, but it served to push the GOP even further to the right, paving the way for the nomination of George W. Bush.
When Arizona Sen. John McCain chose Palin as his running mate, his pick was the Hail Mary pass of a flagging campaign. Republicans applauded her arrival, on a wing and a prayer, from Anchorage. Breath of fresh air.
They chose to look past her flirtation with the far-right, secessionist Alaska Independence Party -- just one of those adorably quirky Alaska things, it was, like the Iditarod or moose hunting.
And when a handful of corporate-funded groups began organizing the disgruntled and paranoid to disrupt the town-hall meetings convened by members of Congress this summer on health care reform, Republicans encouraged the paranoia and defended the offenders' right to disrupt.
Soon they had an uncontrollable movement on their hands, one that no more promised loyalty to them than to anybody else.
When you encourage a movement that exists solely to oppose things, you'd best get out of its way, lest you become the opposed. And that's exactly what happened this month to Gingrich, Boehner and all of the establishment Republican Party, when the Tea Party movement, joined by Palin and a host of right-wing luminaries, declared war on GOP candidate Scozzafava and backed the Conservative Party Candidate.
Not only did Palin fail to save McCain, she may just destroy the Republican Party. And maybe that's the way she wants it. Call it going rogue.
If she can bust up the GOP, then Palin can control what's left of it when she's done. Who knows, she might even play a little inside-outside game herself. The third party of Phillips is today known as the Constitution Party, and its Alaska chapter is the very same secessionist outfit with which Palin is so friendly.
Richard Viguerie, who co-founded the religious right with Phillips, issued a press release promising third-party woe unto GOP leaders.
"Conservatives' anger at Washington-establishment Republicans will cost the national committees tens of millions of dollars," Viguerie writes, "as conservative money will start flowing directly to the Tea Parties and their candidates."
For Armey and the FreedomWorks crew, the Fox pundits and the Club for Growth, the fight for the 23rd district is more about reminding the GOP establishment who's in charge: The business interests who fund those organizations, whose CEOs were likely not amused by the specter of a moderate Republican congresswoman who embraces the Employee Free Choice Act, a proposal for legislation that would make it easier for workers to join labor unions.
All their organizing on Hoffman's behalf bought him a shiny war chest, into which he reached for a barrage of television ads -- one featuring Thompson of TV's Law and Order fame -- arrayed against Scozzafava.
Jackson Stephens, a board member of the Club for Growth, created a group meant to look like a pro-Scozzafava organization that launched an ad calling the Republican candidate "the choice for progressives," highlighting her support for same-sex marriage, abortion rights and EFCA.
Republican leaders got the message. When their candidate dropped out of the race on Saturday, they lined up behind Hoffman, the right's man. When Scozzafava, battered by the right, endorsed Owens, the Democrat, she was condemned by her former backer, Newt Gingrich, who told the Associated Press that he was "deeply upset" by Scozzafava's support of Owens. "I'm very, very let down," Gingrich said, "because she told everybody she was a Republican, and she said she was a loyal Republican."
Yet Gingrich, once the upstart who pushed his party's leaders further to the right, also decried the tactics of Armey and Palin, telling Fox's Greta Van Susteren, "... this idea that we're suddenly going to establish litmus tests, and all across the country we're going to purge the party of anybody who doesn't agree with us 100 percent -- that guarantees Obama's re-election. That guarantees Pelosi is speaker for life. I mean, I think that is a very destructive model for the Republican Party."
Newt's probably right. In the short run, this could be good for the Democrats.
But American politics is cyclical in nature. No victory is permanent. Sooner or later, voters tire of one side and elect the other.
As the Republican Party condenses to its most bitter strain, the poison is distilled. Chances are, that poison will be dispersed into the populace when voters at last tire of the Democrats. And that would be very bad for all of us.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Nov 2, 2009 1:21 AM
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The Democrats are giving banksters trillions while doing practically nothing to regulate them ...
In the meantime bank foreclosures are sky rocketing, credit card interest rates and fees are balooning and business credit is being cut ...
While Wall Street has record profits and gets record bonuses, Main Street gets boned ...
The Reckoning will be Sooner than you think ...
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» RE: Hey, the article was about the appeal and success of third parties. Celebrate!
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» Underneath all this distraction, is the real agenda, CHECK OUT THE FEC and watch who Wall street....
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» RE: Republicans are polling lower than they have in 25 years.
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» RE: Voters are Tiring of Democrats Very Quickly ...
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» Your right, but check this out that Obama is going to do according to this British
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» Spewing more extremist right-wing propaganda, nut-bar?
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» Without the last line, that's a 5-rater comment.
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Posted by: LeonBNJ on Nov 2, 2009 3:34 AM
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You have a splitering into radical anti-tax factions (the 'TEA party' types), social conservatives/religious right factions and a small moderate faction. The moderates seem to be moving toward alignment with moderate Democrats over some issues. These factions seem to be led by the worst possible persons like Sara Palin and the right winger radio/news TV personalities like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh.
I am concerned as some Republicans shift toward the Center and Democrats, some Democrats (like Bill Clinton did) will shift right to get votes from these disaffected Republicans and Republican leaning independent voters. That means accepting the bad beiefs such as tax and spending cuts, less likely to accept full same gender marriage, cutting spending on the poor and supporting corporate led legisgation policy to attract those voters.
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» Watch the FEC funding by Wall STreet and that will tell us volumes about who is what.
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» Thanks, I had not seen that but had read the same thing in foreign press, so this is accurate as
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» How Ironic... they said the same thing when Reagan...
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» I guess it depends on what you think caused the bust
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Nov 2, 2009 4:14 AM
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I just love Sarah Palin.
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Posted by: Prinzowhales on Nov 2, 2009 5:05 AM
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Posted by: Prophit0 on Nov 2, 2009 5:16 AM
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Dede Scozzafava according to Huffington Post
UPDATE: Dede Scozzafava endorsed Democratic candidate Bill Owens over conservative party candidate Doug Hoffman.
(are we going to ONCE AGAIN, let the neocons determine who we get to vote for?)
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Moderate Republican candidate Dede Scozzafava's departure from upstate New York's special congressional election is, senior Democrats predict, bad news for the Democratic Party.
While the state's 23rd district is decidedly conservative, having last sent a Democrat to Congress in the 1800s, there had been hopes that a three-person contest would catapult Dem Bill Owens to the House of Representatives. Now, conventional wisdom holds that Scozzafava voters will likely head towards the conservative party's Doug Hoffman or simply stay at home.
In the White House, at the very least, officials are bracing themselves for a loss, calling Scozzafava's departure bad news for Owens. The one hope, they say, is if Scozzafava -- who has more philosophical similarities with the Democratic Party than Hoffman's brand of Republicanism -- was to formally endorse her former rival.
"This hurts," one administration official told the Huffington Post on Saturday, "unless we can get her on board."
And on Sunday, the White House all but confirmed that it was after Scozzafava's endorsement. Appearing on ABC's "This Week," Obama's senior confidant, Valerie Jarrett said the administration "would love to have -- of course, have her support."
"And it's rather telling when the Republican Party forces out a moderate Republican and it says I think a great deal about where the Republican Party leadership is right now," Jarrett added
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» RE: Now tell me why the dems wanted Dede Scozzafava over Owens? And why did she endorse the dem?
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» RE: Now tell me why the dems wanted Dede Scozzafava over Owens? And why did she endorse the dem?
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» You got it right..... hit that nail right on the head. It would be good to look into her....
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» RE: You got it right..... hit that nail right on the head. It would be good to look into her....
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» ROTFLMAO!
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» "prophit(0)"--proving, once again, that sh*t CAN learn to type.
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Posted by: jebpgh on Nov 2, 2009 6:24 AM
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Clearly the teabaggers are getting their hooks into the mainstream guys out there which really figures to make it an interesting time for any Republican who thinks anywhere near the center of the line on anything - at all - ever.
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» Its not the teabaggers, its the bankers, you know "wall street" owners of both parties.
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» RE: Its not the teabaggers, its the bankers, you know "wall street" owners of both parties.
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Posted by: leafsong1 on Nov 2, 2009 6:53 AM
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» Keep talking, girl, you have hit it right on, absolutely perfect.
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» I don't know how many times I will have to tell you...
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Nov 2, 2009 6:59 AM
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The wing-nut fringe will (hopefully) be marginalized, not because of some conspiracy theory, but because of their own intransigence and intolerance! Hopefully by then enough sane, rational, thinking adults will be in charge - and be able to guide these people back to a rational society!
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 2, 2009 8:12 AM
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» RE: WALL ST., MAIN ST., GOLDMAN SACHS, AIG, LEHMAN, ETC.
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» You forgot, Goldman Sucks got that profit through the bailout of AIG..
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» RE: You forgot, Goldman Sucks got that profit through the bailout of AIG..
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» RE: "selling" Obama was our job BEFORE the election
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» RE: to correct my typo
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» Yeah, it's all about you. Right nut-wad?
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Posted by: vbeeno on Nov 2, 2009 8:54 AM
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» I have a conspiranoid theory for you, "reverend".
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Posted by: amfortas the hippie on Nov 2, 2009 9:47 AM
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My take: The Pig Men who have been behind the Pseudo Fascist movement from the get go (since WWII) have created a monster.
The Right Wing Crazy Movement, formed initially in reaction to the 60's, has finally found a hole in the fence.
They ain't takin' orders any more.
Free Range Wingnuts now are fanning out across the country, bringing their contagion with them.
I think the Pig Men may have lost controll of their creatures.
And I'm not optimistic about it, long term.
Same thing happened in USSR at the beginning of Stalin, under the Jacobins, and in Italy and Germany....
Purges and Purity.
Like the author says, distilling the poison.
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Posted by: desidid on Nov 2, 2009 10:13 AM
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» RE: The Apocalypse Is Upon Us
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» RE: The Apocalypse Is Upon Us
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» If we don't vote third party, both right and left in the next presidential election, then your right
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Posted by: darkmark on Nov 2, 2009 11:34 AM
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» Hey, "FEAR" is the mind killer. Get out of fear, the first step is to get damn mad....
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» Will you ever stop lying, Sh*t-for-brains?
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Posted by: Prinzowhales on Nov 2, 2009 11:56 AM
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But, what have 'progressives' done?--they've settled for a clown of colour owned body and soul by Goldman Sachs over a geriatric clown owned by any one with dollar who would like to see him dance while Senator Lieberman works his mouth.
It is time for "hope" and "change"...and that is precisely what these Demopublicans stand against.
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Posted by: SKPython on Nov 2, 2009 12:21 PM
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» RE: Local Control isn't the same as local party boss control!
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Posted by: Campesino on Nov 2, 2009 1:41 PM
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Or do you just change your narrative when it seems convenient?
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Posted by: Rusty Shackleford on Nov 2, 2009 2:36 PM
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However, in defense of the left, there's nothing wrong with peace activists supporting the ideas of world peace, environmental protection, justice, equality, and help for the less fortunate.
People like me are pulling further to the left, and centrists like Obama are uncomfortable with that.
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» I think your right. I took a test and found out I was way far left.
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» Time is Ripe For New Third Party
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Posted by: desidid on Nov 2, 2009 3:02 PM
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» So where does he live and how can he run if he doesn't?
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» RE: Hoffman Doesn't Even Live In The 23rd District
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» Either she is one of them or she is becoming a thorn in the side of the neocon bankers and in either
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Posted by: Lilly on Nov 2, 2009 4:16 PM
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And why did it take until today for someone to report that?
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That doesn't mean anything in NY. After all, Hillary! was elected senator when she didn't live there. NY carpetbaggers
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Posted by: upsites1 on Nov 2, 2009 9:21 PM
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Posted by: UnEasyOne on Nov 3, 2009 2:35 AM
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The big money guys - formerly called the "Eastern Establishment" - have cleverly stoked and manipulated the outrage of their loony base. It led them to power. Problem is, the wingnuts have finally noticed that control of all three branches of government by "their" party got them exactly zip.
The loons actually think they are a majority! Beck, the demagogues on talk radio, and the rest of that crowd have been telling us so, and these people are true believers!
They are too damned crazy for the moneybags on Wall Street to follow and they are no longer willing to be led by Cheney's crowd.
Getcher popcorn here folks! This is gonna be fun to watch. 2012 (or shortly thereafter) at the latest.
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Posted by: Ellie1 on Nov 3, 2009 5:53 AM
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Posted by: Prinzowhales on Nov 3, 2009 7:43 AM
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And, who did they put up to 'solve' the economic problems created by the Rockefeller candidate?--Reagan, with his Citibank-insider designed Reaganomics.
If you want real change--ignore the scum that the banker's propaganda arm--ABCNBCCBSFOXCNNPBS, Inc.-- put forward and the kind of political chatter that they promote.
Hate to tell you, but you are not going to see the real alternatives for progress and change put forward there.
The enemy is in Washington. They work for Goldman Sachs and the financiers. Everytime you vote for their creatures, you are assisting them in the destruction of our economy and nation, the murder of innocents in our armed forces and abroad and the theft of our treasure. Break the cycle...break the banker-controlled Demopublican stranglehold on our nation. They are beyond reformation.
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Posted by: xaxar on Nov 5, 2009 10:31 AM
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This seat has been held by eight republicans and FOURTEEN democrats in the last 100 years, most recently in 1993.
Check it out for yourself on wikipedia.
http://tiny.cc/orLhr
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Posted by: mmckinl on Nov 2, 2009 1:21 AM
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The Democrats are giving banksters trillions while doing practically nothing to regulate them ...
In the meantime bank foreclosures are sky rocketing, credit card interest rates and fees are balooning and business credit is being cut ...
While Wall Street has record profits and gets record bonuses, Main Street gets boned ...
The Reckoning will be Sooner than you think ...
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» RE: Hey, the article was about the appeal and success of third parties. Celebrate!
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» Underneath all this distraction, is the real agenda, CHECK OUT THE FEC and watch who Wall street....
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» You're removed from reality
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» RE: Republicans are polling lower than they have in 25 years.
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» RE: You're removed from reality
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» RE: Voters are Tiring of Democrats Very Quickly ...
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» RE: Voters are Tiring of Democrats Very Quickly ...
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» Your right, but check this out that Obama is going to do according to this British
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» Spewing more extremist right-wing propaganda, nut-bar?
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» Without the last line, that's a 5-rater comment.
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» "prophit(0)" is a lying piece-of-[expletive deleted].
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Posted by: LeonBNJ on Nov 2, 2009 3:34 AM
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You have a splitering into radical anti-tax factions (the 'TEA party' types), social conservatives/religious right factions and a small moderate faction. The moderates seem to be moving toward alignment with moderate Democrats over some issues. These factions seem to be led by the worst possible persons like Sara Palin and the right winger radio/news TV personalities like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh.
I am concerned as some Republicans shift toward the Center and Democrats, some Democrats (like Bill Clinton did) will shift right to get votes from these disaffected Republicans and Republican leaning independent voters. That means accepting the bad beiefs such as tax and spending cuts, less likely to accept full same gender marriage, cutting spending on the poor and supporting corporate led legisgation policy to attract those voters.
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» Watch the FEC funding by Wall STreet and that will tell us volumes about who is what.
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» Thanks, I had not seen that but had read the same thing in foreign press, so this is accurate as
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» How Ironic... they said the same thing when Reagan...
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» I guess it depends on what you think caused the bust
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Nov 2, 2009 4:14 AM
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I just love Sarah Palin.
A Plea from Tracy Murphy
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» If that continues than the only thing left we have to do is purge all the neocons....
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» RE: That Party
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Posted by: Prophit0 on Nov 2, 2009 5:16 AM
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Dede Scozzafava according to Huffington Post
UPDATE: Dede Scozzafava endorsed Democratic candidate Bill Owens over conservative party candidate Doug Hoffman.
(are we going to ONCE AGAIN, let the neocons determine who we get to vote for?)
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Moderate Republican candidate Dede Scozzafava's departure from upstate New York's special congressional election is, senior Democrats predict, bad news for the Democratic Party.
While the state's 23rd district is decidedly conservative, having last sent a Democrat to Congress in the 1800s, there had been hopes that a three-person contest would catapult Dem Bill Owens to the House of Representatives. Now, conventional wisdom holds that Scozzafava voters will likely head towards the conservative party's Doug Hoffman or simply stay at home.
In the White House, at the very least, officials are bracing themselves for a loss, calling Scozzafava's departure bad news for Owens. The one hope, they say, is if Scozzafava -- who has more philosophical similarities with the Democratic Party than Hoffman's brand of Republicanism -- was to formally endorse her former rival.
"This hurts," one administration official told the Huffington Post on Saturday, "unless we can get her on board."
And on Sunday, the White House all but confirmed that it was after Scozzafava's endorsement. Appearing on ABC's "This Week," Obama's senior confidant, Valerie Jarrett said the administration "would love to have -- of course, have her support."
"And it's rather telling when the Republican Party forces out a moderate Republican and it says I think a great deal about where the Republican Party leadership is right now," Jarrett added
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» RE: Now tell me why the dems wanted Dede Scozzafava over Owens? And why did she endorse the dem?
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» You got it right..... hit that nail right on the head. It would be good to look into her....
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» RE: You got it right..... hit that nail right on the head. It would be good to look into her....
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» ROTFLMAO!
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» "prophit(0)"--proving, once again, that sh*t CAN learn to type.
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Posted by: jebpgh on Nov 2, 2009 6:24 AM
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Clearly the teabaggers are getting their hooks into the mainstream guys out there which really figures to make it an interesting time for any Republican who thinks anywhere near the center of the line on anything - at all - ever.
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» Its not the teabaggers, its the bankers, you know "wall street" owners of both parties.
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Posted by: leafsong1 on Nov 2, 2009 6:53 AM
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» Keep talking, girl, you have hit it right on, absolutely perfect.
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» I don't know how many times I will have to tell you...
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Nov 2, 2009 6:59 AM
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The wing-nut fringe will (hopefully) be marginalized, not because of some conspiracy theory, but because of their own intransigence and intolerance! Hopefully by then enough sane, rational, thinking adults will be in charge - and be able to guide these people back to a rational society!
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» RE: that was the plan
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» RE: Do I hear an Implosion?!?!?!?!?!?
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 2, 2009 8:12 AM
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» RE: WALL ST., MAIN ST., GOLDMAN SACHS, AIG, LEHMAN, ETC.
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» You forgot, Goldman Sucks got that profit through the bailout of AIG..
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» RE: "selling" Obama was our job BEFORE the election
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» RE: to correct my typo
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» Yeah, it's all about you. Right nut-wad?
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Posted by: vbeeno on Nov 2, 2009 8:54 AM
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» WANKER ALERT--Don't click on that link (IDENTITY THEFT!)
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» I have a conspiranoid theory for you, "reverend".
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Posted by: amfortas the hippie on Nov 2, 2009 9:47 AM
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My take: The Pig Men who have been behind the Pseudo Fascist movement from the get go (since WWII) have created a monster.
The Right Wing Crazy Movement, formed initially in reaction to the 60's, has finally found a hole in the fence.
They ain't takin' orders any more.
Free Range Wingnuts now are fanning out across the country, bringing their contagion with them.
I think the Pig Men may have lost controll of their creatures.
And I'm not optimistic about it, long term.
Same thing happened in USSR at the beginning of Stalin, under the Jacobins, and in Italy and Germany....
Purges and Purity.
Like the author says, distilling the poison.
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» RE: The Apocalypse Is Upon Us
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» If we don't vote third party, both right and left in the next presidential election, then your right
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» Hey, "FEAR" is the mind killer. Get out of fear, the first step is to get damn mad....
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» Will you ever stop lying, Sh*t-for-brains?
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Posted by: Prinzowhales on Nov 2, 2009 11:56 AM
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But, what have 'progressives' done?--they've settled for a clown of colour owned body and soul by Goldman Sachs over a geriatric clown owned by any one with dollar who would like to see him dance while Senator Lieberman works his mouth.
It is time for "hope" and "change"...and that is precisely what these Demopublicans stand against.
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» RE: Local Control isn't the same as local party boss control!
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Posted by: Campesino on Nov 2, 2009 1:41 PM
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Or do you just change your narrative when it seems convenient?
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Posted by: Rusty Shackleford on Nov 2, 2009 2:36 PM
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However, in defense of the left, there's nothing wrong with peace activists supporting the ideas of world peace, environmental protection, justice, equality, and help for the less fortunate.
People like me are pulling further to the left, and centrists like Obama are uncomfortable with that.
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» I think your right. I took a test and found out I was way far left.
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» Time is Ripe For New Third Party
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» So where does he live and how can he run if he doesn't?
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» Either she is one of them or she is becoming a thorn in the side of the neocon bankers and in either
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Posted by: Lilly on Nov 2, 2009 4:16 PM
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And why did it take until today for someone to report that?
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That doesn't mean anything in NY. After all, Hillary! was elected senator when she didn't live there. NY carpetbaggers
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Posted by: UnEasyOne on Nov 3, 2009 2:35 AM
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The big money guys - formerly called the "Eastern Establishment" - have cleverly stoked and manipulated the outrage of their loony base. It led them to power. Problem is, the wingnuts have finally noticed that control of all three branches of government by "their" party got them exactly zip.
The loons actually think they are a majority! Beck, the demagogues on talk radio, and the rest of that crowd have been telling us so, and these people are true believers!
They are too damned crazy for the moneybags on Wall Street to follow and they are no longer willing to be led by Cheney's crowd.
Getcher popcorn here folks! This is gonna be fun to watch. 2012 (or shortly thereafter) at the latest.
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Posted by: Prinzowhales on Nov 3, 2009 7:43 AM
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And, who did they put up to 'solve' the economic problems created by the Rockefeller candidate?--Reagan, with his Citibank-insider designed Reaganomics.
If you want real change--ignore the scum that the banker's propaganda arm--ABCNBCCBSFOXCNNPBS, Inc.-- put forward and the kind of political chatter that they promote.
Hate to tell you, but you are not going to see the real alternatives for progress and change put forward there.
The enemy is in Washington. They work for Goldman Sachs and the financiers. Everytime you vote for their creatures, you are assisting them in the destruction of our economy and nation, the murder of innocents in our armed forces and abroad and the theft of our treasure. Break the cycle...break the banker-controlled Demopublican stranglehold on our nation. They are beyond reformation.
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Posted by: xaxar on Nov 5, 2009 10:31 AM
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This seat has been held by eight republicans and FOURTEEN democrats in the last 100 years, most recently in 1993.
Check it out for yourself on wikipedia.
http://tiny.cc/orLhr
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