Pelosi Unveils a Ground-Breaking Health Care Plan -- Will Senate Dems Follow Her Lead?

There is a bigger victory in the Bill. How it's paid for. That is by taxing millionaires ...

Why is this important? It breaks years of tax cuts for the richest among us. The House Bill actually has some fairness to its' funding.

Having said that the Democrats are leaving them selves wide open to astronomical rate increases from the health care companies because of a crippled Public Option.

Once rates skyrocket the Democrats will be open game and their "compromise" will be deemed a failure ... It's only a matter of time ...

Get ready for Round II of Health Care Reform within a year or two ...

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or maybe smoking crack. This bill is 1990 pages long. I doubt anyone but a law firm intern assigned to find loopholes will read every page.

This is just another profit protector wrapped up in a "public option" smoke screen.

Listen to Dennis Kucinich. We will not achieve full reform unless HR 676 is enacted. It is the only bill that will give everyone in this country the comprehensive healthcare coverage we deserve.

HR 676 takes up 30 pages to explain what the new House bill does in 1990. I guess the printer paper companies deserve a stimulus too.

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First off, they need to get rid of the extension of pharmaceutical patents. That only increases costs for We the People so Big Drugs can continue to increase outrageous profits.

I am also trying to figure out if the so-called public option will be an option to everyone, or just a tiny subset of the populace.

I'm almost to the point where I'd rather see the bill die than passed.

No reform will be a disaster, but bad reform could be even worse.

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Let's see, the universal healthcare similar to European model has been killed in favor of "Public Option". That option is a cobbled up mess that includes a health insurance exchange, government competition, forced insurance if you are above certain income level and yadda-yadda to infinity.

Price tag is a bit short of 900 billions and the whole mess won't be fully operational for at least a few years. (Perfect reason to re-elect Obama, can't you just hear it? "History is in the making, I need one more term!")

And all that courtesy of the same crew that speedily voted to bail out the rich and was even faster in finding the funds for two wars.

And we are supposed to take this 1,990 pages, 900 billions heavy wonder at a face value because an old political insider harpy like Pelosi said so?

Groundbreaking indeed.

Gee, I wonder how many people could get fully covered with the funds wasted on the colonial venture in Afghanistan?

I have no doubt that media will blow this joke out of proportion because apparently these days just mentioning a healthcare in some shape or form makes for a groundbreaking historical even if you are in US.

Why? Well, it wasn't mentioned before so this is history in the making!!! Just be sure to accept this nostrum like you would Obama's other polices, look at the form and ignore the content.

Naturally if you disagree that this is amazing groundbreaking historical measure brought forth by a progressive saint of a president (wearing Nobel Peace Prize badge no less), you are a: hater, crypto-fascist, neonazi, racist, covert Republican, irrational, lunatic fringe, irrelevant, ignorant or just plain stupid.

Now shut up, stop reading, quit thinking and fall in line.

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... engage in more acts of civil disobedience and marches with media coverage

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampaton,Pa

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This "article" is pure crap, sorry.

It says absolutely nothing of value.

Adele has a lovefest for Pelosi for her "public option" gift to the people? Well, what is it exactly? She doesn't say because it is pure crap.

All of this hand-wringing supposedly going on that Adele talks about disgusts me.

Single-payer, health care for all, HR676, Dennis Kucinich' plan should be the only plan presented.

Anything else, "robust" or not is pure rhetoric and serves the insurance industry, Congress and Obama.

Dennis Kucinich is the only true public servant fighting for the people.

Where is Obama? Where is our health care?

Dennis Kucinich for President 2012.

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Alternet is Central Bank Corporate Tyranny Indoctrination & Propaganda Against All Not Mainstream Media

Alternet is mainstream media, they don't sway from Corporate Tyranny Indoctrination & Propaganda Themes At All

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So the Great Progressive Compromise Is complete.
I'm glad you're on top of this because I have some serious questions.
One question: How many people are going to die waiting for the Progressive Compromise to take effect? While Progressives regurgitate empty rhetoric to promote a shallow and meaningless victory over a completely impotent opponent, people are dying. I want to know how many more people must die to satisfy the Progressive Vision of Reform. Get out your calculator.
While you've got the calculator out, how much money are Progressives going to steal from the working poor and small businesses to line the pockets of corporate profiteers and Progressive politicians?
And:How does this plan differ from Grayson's "Republican Plan".
"Don't get sick. But if you do, die quickly."
The stink on this goes beyond Compromise and Capitulation. This smells like betrayal.
Again.

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ALTERNET -

You are looking for money with your fundraisers that I would like to give but I am worried about you.

What's with all the misleading article titles lately?

Please support your title "PELOSI UNVEILS GROUND-BREAKING HEALTH CARE PLAN".

What is ground-breaking about it????

You provide no details of the content of the plan.

Thanks.

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I don't know what kind of health care reform will come out of this session, but I strongly suspect it won't be much. There is, however a silver lining behind this very dark cloud. I am reminded of the Civil Rights Act of 1957. Don't be embarrassed if you've never heard of it, there really isn't a hell of a lot to remember about it; a mere pittance, really - a scrap of leftovers tossed out to "American Negros" (in the parlance of the age) in order to appease them. But it made the passing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 - the one we remember - all-the-more easier seven years later.

We'll live to fight another day.

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Tom Degan

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Well, it does appear that at least in the House they're finding their spines, imagine taxing the richest among US that have been the recipients of all of these years of massive tax cuts!!! Now if only the Senate would find their spines! While there aren't a lot of Senators up for re-election, their year will come, and they must be reminded that the voters will remember their betrayal of the public interest! In the meantime, even as we celebrate this small step, we still must keep the pressure on or these people will sell US out!!!

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below are some financial stats and you judge how much of Breaker this bill would be

Industry Election Total$ %Dems %Repub
----------------------------------------------
Finance/ 2008* $475,426,201 51% 49%
Insurance
/Real Estate

Health 2008* $166,815,101 54% 46%

Pharma 98-09 $1,760,523,549 N/A N/A
/HealthProd

Insurance 98-09 $1,309,495,963 N/A N/A


Its matter of question that who wants to keep money from big corps for next election. They - law makers- cannot cross certain lines in order to get election $, that is the bottom line.

Ground breaking ?? I'm not sure !!

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Throughout all this bunk with laughable media coverage there is a lack of leadership. It's a free-for-all with NO direction.
Because of this, what we will end up with is a Patriot-Act-like healthcare fiasco that will make Americans wish for the good old days of Healthcare for Profit.
America will always react instead of act . . . and fall behind not only those who would do us harm, but those who would cooperate with us while moving forward.

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I hope people wake up. Please don't be deceived into thinking this health care bill is going to benefit the people. IMHO it is going to benefit big businesses like the pharmaceuticals and insurance companies. The cash will flow from the poor to the rich as usual.

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I never knew the Democrats could go so far to weakening an idea to nothing. It would save the public agony and anxiety if Congress would just give it up and tell them who their higher priority is. I expected them to pass something and had set the bar way too low and now the bar looks way too high. I no longer want them to pass this wretched curse and would much rather Congress let this bill fail and start over. Weakening this bill too far just to pass it is like trying to amputate one organ after another of a dying patient just to pretend hero. It's morally reprehensible !

I want to see all young people receive the same health care as members of Congress, federal employees, and soldiers. Why did all our young citizens go through so much trouble getting Obama elected only to find themselves stuck with the same status quo? I'm also beginning to wonder why San Franciscans and Nevadans chose to maintain the status quo by reelecting Pelosi and Reid. I am losing faith in this administration and Congress.

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More voters are leaving the Obama building and the Democratic Party in general. Already, voters in New Jersey and Virginia are prepared to give you a strong message like a battering ram in your fucking faces ! In Virginia, Deeds is already going down in flames and in New Jersey, Corzine still can't get ahead and it appears that Christie will win. HASTA LA VISTA Goldman Sachs boy Corzine and HASTA LA VISTA Obama, Pelosi, Reid, etc ... ! Your days of betrayal are OVER and we're gonna shut you down even if it means putting the Republicans in power because of your fucking selling out and betrayal !

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seems to forget is that a public option will relieve many businesses of the onerous and expensive provision of healthcare insurance plans to their employees. If the auto industry had not had such extra expenses added to the cost factor of every vehicle they built they may not have gone bankrupt. This public plan brought forth by the House will kick start the American economy and make it much more competitive with other countries.

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Now that the amendment allowing states to enact single-payer has been stripped out, we can't allow this bill to pass.

Medicare for all is favored by a majority of Americans.

How can we convince Congress to enact what the people want?

Tell your members of Congress that unless they support Medicare for all, you won't support them.

Take the Medicare For All Pledge now.

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Until we have some drastic campaign finance reform, we will continue to have liars and traitors in office. While we allow corporations and the rich to bribe politicians with campaign contributions, the traitors (aka "politicians") will only answer to the rich. It's really quite obvious and simple. Under this system people will continue to die from curable illnesses because they aren't rich enough to pay the insurance companies. Until we put all candidates on an even playing field with publicly-funded campaigns, we will continue to have an education system so lame that the people have no critical thinking skills and continue voting for the candidate with the most yard signs (and therefore the most $). The solution is quite simple but 95% of you would rather whine about the manisfestations of the root problem than talk about the real problem. It makes me think you enjoy pain and suffering.

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He gets off his arse and not only fixes his barn - but he takes his family to The Big Island in Hawaii - Where They Film LOST

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I Like People Like Dave Lindorff

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I Like People of Courage Who Have The Wisdom and Determination To Find Out The Truth For Themselves

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They are a Lot Softer Than Bullets and Bombs

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The Pen is Mightier Than The Sword

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I Reply To Her - I Saw Michael Moore...

And Sure I Am Far Better Looking

But He is a Rich Fat Bastard

I Might Have To Appear as Myself

I Keep Telling My American Friends I Have Long Blonde Hair and Look Even Better Than David Coverdale Did 10 Years Ago

Tony

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HAVING TO WAIT 3 YEARS FOR HEALTH CARE REFORM TO KICK IN IS LUNACY! More people will die, more people will not have health care because of the lack more lost jobs and the tsunami of foreclosures that are due and more small businesses will go under because of high health care costs.

Lack of Health Care Led to 17,000 US Child Deaths





Lack of health care led to 17,000 US child deaths

(AFP) – 2 days ago

WASHINGTON — Lack of adequate health care may have contributed to the deaths of some 17,000 US children over the past two decades, according to a study released by the Johns Hopkins Children's Center.

The research, to be published Friday in the Journal of Public Health, was compiled from more than 23 million hospital records from 37 states between 1988 and 2005.

The study concluded that children without health insurance are far more likely to succumb to their illnesses than those with medical coverage.

"If you are a child without insurance, if you're seriously ill and end up in the hospital, you are 60 percent more likely to die than the sick child in the next town who has insurance," said Fizan Abdullah, lead writer of the study and a pediatric surgeon at Hopkins.

With some seven million children in the United States currently uninsured, the problem needed addressing immediately, the report said.

"In a country as wealthy as ours, the need to provide health care to the millions of children who lack it is a moral, not an economic imperative," said Peter Pronovost, director of critical care medicine at Johns Hopkins.

The study was published as the United States finds itself embroiled in a fierce debate on increasing health care access for uninsured Americans.

US President Barack Obama wants Congress to approve reforms by the end of the year in order to fulfill a key campaign pledge to provide health care to some 47 million Americans, 15 percent of the population, who currently do not have any medical coverage.

Obama says his plans will cut in half runaway healthcare expenditures which, if unchecked, are forecast to gobble up one-fifth of US gross domestic product by 2013.

He has been advocating a government insurance option as a key element of his plans, which have been fiercely criticized by Republicans who charge that they amount to an exorbitantly expensive government takeover of health care.

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And The Bank Swallows Your Bank Card

It Not Only Does Not Give You Your Card Back - It Doesn't Give You Any Money

Now Nanci - Your Daddie Might Have Been Really Rich - When This Might Have Happenned To You...

But My 18 Year Old Daughter At University Thought

Oh Fuck

All She Had To Eat For Weeks - Was Because We Paid Her Fees Up Front - and as a Result Of That Had Her Univeristy Card That Had Enough Credit On It Such That She Could Eat

She Never Said

She Survived On What She had and counted up and saved the pennies so that she had enough money to get home

Of Course She Is Going Back

She Has Changed Her Course

And She Is Going To FUCK YOU In A Court of Law

Nanci Pelosoi Have You Fucked Tony Blair Yet?

You Obviously Have Both Fucked THE DEVIL

Do Not Underestimate Our Demand For Justice..Well You Can Underestimate it if You Like....

Tony

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Please my English is not at par. What does walk the walk mean? Walk the plank? like the pirates? But then when I read " In recent months, Democrats have renewed efforts to become the women’s party. In September, several House members started holding monthly breakfast briefings, the first of which addressed health care. The push is highly political not only in the health care debate, but in the competitive gubernatorial races in New Jersey and Virginia — two states where the party has invested considerable time and money to date. Still, despite recent catastrophes, South-east Asian countries seem reluctant to commit resources. Please never repeat this in front of my son. He keeps all his coins in a dog shaped piggy bank and now he is buying a smaller version of McDonalds and Wall mart that is falling It is called saving fro the rainy day. I have a book of Jack and the Beanstalk of course; now that the giants are dead, you may no longer access the password to the cloud number 9. However, my mail is in Nokia N93 series and I fought for this from my son's doggy bank. And I always have the problem with the door marked “Pull “To open I “Push” Why me I?
Janie since my mother is cooking for these meeting I hardly have time to see her. Did you see Hillary with high-heeled shoes when she took 21 guns salutes aimed at Taliban, walking side by side the major of Pakistan 6 feet tall. You sure missed the break and the fast. The day of America's global pre-eminence is over. We must face the new global realities Memo to the CIA: You may not be prepared for time-travel, but welcome to 2025 anyway! Your rooms may be a little small, your ability to demand better accommodations may have gone out the window, and the amenities may not be to your taste, but get used to it. It's going to be your reality from now on. Okay, now for the serious version of the above: In November 2008, the National Intelligence Council (NIC), an affiliate of the Central Intelligence Agency, issued the latest in a series of futuristic publications intended to guide the incoming Obama administration. Peering into its analytic crystal ball in a report entitled Global Trends 2025, it predicted that America's global preeminence would gradually disappear over the next 15 years -- in conjunction with the rise of new global powerhouses, especially China and India. The report examined many facets of the future strategic environment, but it is most startling, and news-making, finding concerned the projected long-term erosion of American dominance and the emergence of new global competitors. "Although the United States is likely to remain the single most powerful actor [in 2025]," it stated definitively, the country's "relative strength -- even in the military realm -- will decline and U.S. leverage will become more constrained." Am i reading with my glasses? Yes No?
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I thank you
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They Don't Like You

They Didn't Like Bill Either

Almost All Of Them Would Have Given Him a Blow Job Though

Pity He Got Fucked Over By All You Psychologists

And Of Course The 18 Year Old Students Have Already Worked Out How To Change Things and Disarm The World of Nuclear Missiles

And Other American Weapons of Mass Destruction

Do You Think Us English are Stupid?

We Know How To Fuck

Bye Bye America - Until You Disarm - which of Course You Won't Until You Have Exterminated Each Other

We Will Watch

Bye Bye

Sorry - You Americans Are Not Nice

Bye

Love & Peace,

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If you think this House Bill is anything even close to progressive, I have some swamp land you'd just love.

What it is is one huge gift to the people already ripping us off and killing us.

Washington is a complete cesspool and it will need to be drained to get congress back to working for you and me, to be more concerned about us than cash from lobbyists.

Health care should be a right, should be part of the 'commons" and congress should be more willing to incur an expense for this than dribbling trillions away overseas, killing and maiming Americans as a bonus.

It is just so enraging, millions upon millions totally vanished into thin air in Iraq, it got virtually no press, but health care is too expensive to subsidize and we hear about that all the time from both parties.

I fear the US is in serious decline, as somebody on the 'Economy In Crisis" site recently said, you know that could well be the case when the criminals start working from inside the government.

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that the ground will open up and swallow us whole, then I guess the headline would be accurate.

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And Their Friends Look After Them

Less Than 10% of My Daughter's Friends Have Given Up On Their New Lives at University Despite The Hardship of Finding Alcohol To Drink and Food To Eat

90% Of The Kids Are Consuming Their Lecturers and Teaching Them a Thing Or two and Having a BRILLIANT TIME

What Else Can I as a Dad Hope For My 18 Year Old Daughter

She Is Just So Happy And Determined To Bring Justice Back To Our World

Tony

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In Front Of a Live Audience

Where There Will Be Lawyers For Both The Prosecution and Defence

I said don't worry about it - when I was 15 years old (3 years younger than my daugher is now) I had to give a Presentation in Front of My Class in Royton Oldham Lancashire...

I did it on Photography

I had been devolping my own Colour Prints since the age of 13 and had also worked out how to take photographs

I was really shy and quiet..

But at the age of 15 I had my entire class entranced about the subject of photography - and they asked me all sorts of questions and were really engaged...

And so at the age of 15 I knew I could do a Presentation

The experience was invaluable - when 30 years later - I was asked to do it again.

If I hadn't have done it when I was 15, I would not have known how to talk and chalk at the same time...

Keeping an audience's attention is incredibly diifficult if you are talking rubbish - but it doesn't stop idiots doing it

I Really Am Not Into The Art of Presentation - But Can do It - When Really Necessary

Standing In Front Of An Audience and Speaking And Telling The Truth - I Still Find Really Difficult.

The Last Time I Did It Was At My Mum's Funeral

She Died Holding My Hand at The Age of 86

My Mum Was a Complete Angel

Tony

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This bill will never pass!

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It has the same weak "public" option that Obama outlined in his speech. This bill simply creates a market (or pool) of new customers for private insurance companies. This new pool has to negotiate rates in the private market rather than being indexed to Medicare reimbursement rates. It is further limited to those people who do not have insurance, rather than opening it to anyone who would like to bail out of bad or insufficient products.

This is NOT good legislation. They have also stripped the ability of individual states to create single-payer plans separate from the federal plan, effectively closing the path to innovation or the possibility of circumventing the stranglehold of private insurance intermediaries.

I can see that, given a few years of maneuvering, reconfiguring and redefining, we will be back to the extortion, blackmail, and betrayal that insurance companies legally indulge in today.

I am disappointed, disillusioned, but not surprised at this betrayal being hailed as "groundbreaking".

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is for digging a grave for this bill, and all of its misguided and compromised "public option" frankencousins that have been borne out of this tragedy called the health care debate. Let us pray for Single Payer in our lifetimes.

R.I.P.

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This is the vile creature who took 'impeachment off the table...this is the vile creature who continues to fund and support the wars for Oil, Opium and Israel...This is the loathsomely corrupt head of a loathsomely corrupt body which is getting ready to deny the documented reality behind the Goldstone Report on Israeli war crimes in Gaza...

Who supports her?--The scum of the earth! Just look at the Democratic Leadership Conference...Just look at this gutter animal selling herself and the People down the drain with a so-called public option that is a farce and a lie just like the rest of the Madison Avenue tinsel strewn fraud and farce known as the Obama Administration. Change Hell!...They're just stealing more.

DOWN WITH THE DEMOPUBLICAN REGIME! TROOPS HOME NOW! DESTROY THE FED!

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Yet another Alternet article cheerleading corrupt Democrats - the bills in Congress are jokes written by the insurance industry - get real! Compare Rep. Dennis Kucinich's 30 page reform bill with Pelosi's 1900 page farce.

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Why do you think you are entitled to anything? Did you work for it? Did you earn it? Tax those mean rich people who by the way pay almost all the taxes already. Was the America dream to work hard and make a lot of money for your children's future and to share with those who have not made it yet but are working hard also. This is the problem everybody thinks they are owed something we have generations of people who think the government job is to take care of them from cradle to grave. My ancestors came to America so they would have the freedom to work hard and make a future for me with out the government restrictions, this use to be the American dream but the LIBERALS are killing it. Our founders were extremely smart men they wrote the frame work for the greatest nation the world has ever seen, being politicians was not their only job they also had to work for a living. Today if you want to get rich without holding a real job become a politician it is not something you do to serve the people it is a career something it was never supposed to be. Lets look at which system works a Liberal or a Conservative, CA is bankrupt and today announced they have to impose an additional 10% withholding tax on everyone because they are billions in debt. Texas has no state income tax no personal property tax an the sales tax is lower than most state yet Texas is financially sound. How can this be??????

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Throughout the summer and fall, Reid has endured the relentless pressure of progressives to include a public option in his plan Zenerx.

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