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Our Economy Was a Scam and Now We're Dead Broke

America is broke. And the easy credit, phantom "growth" economy has been exposed for what it was: a credit scam.
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When Barack Obama took office it seemed to some of us that his first job was to get the national silverware out of the pawn shop. Or at least maintain the world's confidence that it was possible for us to get out of debt. America is dead broke, the easy credit, phantom "growth" economy has been exposed for what it was. A credit scam. Even Hillary Clinton and Obama's best efforts have not coaxed much more dough out of foreign friends. But at least we again have a few friends abroad.

So now we must jackleg ourselves back into something resembling a productive activity. No matter how you cut it, things will not be as much fun as shopping and speculative "investing" were.

The fiesta is over, the economy as we knew it is dead.

The national money shamans have danced around the carcass of our dead horse economy, chanted the recovery chant and burned fiat currency like Indian sage, enshrouding the carcass in the sacred smoke of burning cash. And indeed, they have managed to prop up the carcass to appear life-like from a distance, if you squint through the smoke just right. But it still stinks here from the inside. Clearly at some point we must find a new horse to ride, and sure as god made little green apples one is broaching the horizon. And it looks exactly like the old horse.

Then too, what else did we expect? His economic team of free market billionaires and financial hotwires includes most of those who helped Bill Clinton sell the theory that Americans didn't need jobs.  Actual labor, if you will remember, was for Asian sweatshops and Latin maquiladoras. We, as a nation one third of whose population is functionally illiterate, were going to transmute ourselves into an information and transactional economy. Ain't gonna sweat no mo' no mo' -- just drink wine and sing about Jesus all day.

Along with these economic hotwires came literally hundreds of K Street and Democratic lobbyists. Supposedly, every president is forced to hire these guys because no one else seems to have the connections or knows how to get a bill through Congress. Consequently, the current regime's definition of a recovery is more of the same as ever. A return of the mortgage market and credit to its former level -- the level that blew us out of the water in the first place. Ah, but we're gonna manage it better this time. There is no one-trick pony on earth equal to capitalism.  

Somewhere in the smoking wreckage lie the solutions. The solutions we aren't allowed to discuss: adoption of a Wall Street securities speculation tax; repeal of the Taft-Hartley anti-union laws; ending corporate personhood; cutting the bloated vampire bleeding the economy, the military budget; full single payer health care insurance, not some "public option" that is neither fish nor fowl; taxation instead of credits for carbon pollution; reversal of inflammatory U.S. policy in the Middle East (as in, get the hell out, begin kicking the oil addiction and quit backing the spoiled murderous brat that is Israel.

Meanwhile we may all feel free to row ourselves to hell in the same hand basket. Except of course the elites, the top five percent or so among us. But 95 percent is close enough to be called democratic, so what the hell. The trivialized media, having internalized the system's values, will continue to act as rowing captain calling out the strokes.  News gathering in America is its own special hell, and reduces its practitioners to banality and elite sycophancy. But Big Money calls the shots.

With luck we will see at least some reverse of the Bush regime's assault on habeas corpus, due process, privacy. Changing such laws doesn't much affect that one percent whose income is equal to the combined bottom 50 percent of Americans.

Beyond that, the big money is constitutionally protected. Our Constitution is first and foremost a property document protecting their money. In actual practice, our constitutional civil liberties, inspiring as they are in concept to people around the world, are mainly side action to make the institutionalization of the owning class more palatable. You can argue that may not have been the intent of the slave owning, rent collecting, upper class founding fathers. But you would be full of shit. We can keep on pretending to be independent, free to keep on living in those houses on which we still owe $300,000. But they own and control the money that comes through our hands. And they plan to keep on owning it and charging us to use it.


Joe Bageant is author of the book, Deer Hunting With Jesus: Dispatches from America's Class War (Random House Crown), about working class America. A complete archive of his on-line work, along with the thoughts of many working Americans on the subject of class may be found on his website.
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Our Economy Was a Scam and Now We're Dead Broke
Posted by: mmckinl on Oct 27, 2009 1:26 AM   
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No Joe ... it's worse than broke.

Broke is when you have No Money. Not only do we have No Money, we owe trillions and trillions ... with trillions and trillions coming due for the Baby Boomers ...

Despite all the negativity there is one thing we can look forward to ... One Helluva roller coaster ride ... with no brakes, loose wheels, creaky rails and broken tracks ...

As the Chinese say "May you live in interesting times".

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» What's coming is actually here Posted by: whatzaname1

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If you like having another neocon in the White House, be sure to thank a progressive!
Posted by: Perry Logan on Oct 27, 2009 2:45 AM   
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Not so fast there, Joe. Did you vote for Obama?

If so, you have no right to pontificate about politics at this point. You need to shut up.

The same goes for all progressives in the U.S.: if you voted for Obama, you have just proven yourself to be a complete screw-up.

Your opinions about politics are not worth a turd. You desperately need to listen to those of us who saw through Obama in the first place.

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» RE: I didn't. Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: No, you weren't. Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: No, you weren't. Posted by: JERSEYDAN
» Seriously, Perry, what a crock! Posted by: LightningJoe

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GO LOCAL, GO GREEN & GO ORGANIC!
Posted by: williameon on Oct 27, 2009 3:11 AM   
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Leave the COR-PARASITES behind!
Put your money where your mouth is.

Invest in FREEDOM
From CORPORATE Dominance
Become SELF sufficient, reliant, self sustainable and efficient.
Get back to your ROOTS.
Plant a garden, solar panel and wind turbine.

ELIMINATE the MIDDLE MAN!
Save the MAGIC beans.
They will come in handy next year.
Start making things,
ANYTHING!
That's wealth creation.
Help rebuild the manufacturing base,
One widget at a time.
Start in your own basement or garage.

JOIN The MICRO DEMOCRACY REVOLUTION!
Break the chains of CORPIRATE Slavery.
Become INDEPENDENT!

Survive and Prosper!

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Welcome to the end
Posted by: Farasien on Oct 27, 2009 4:34 AM   
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The one thing that makes me happy about this whole thing is, after its all said and done and everything is accounted for, everyone will be riding the same handbasket into the fire togather. True, some will have a better seat, but in the end, nobody escapes it.

I never understood why those in power didn't acnowledge that little fact. As deeply unwise and idiotic as they are, if for no other reason of their own survival, you'd think they would wake up to the realities of the hell they have created. While some of them think its only going to hit us filthy peasants, the reality is, without us to take the brunt, they get eaten by the monsters everntually too.

As I said as the econloy was beginning its downward trajectory a year or two ago, I'll get my revenge when the assholes who assume they are better than the rest of us are in the same gutter, standing right behind me in the bread line. Personally, I'm hoping for an actual French-style gillotine and noose-filled pesant revolt, but given the current bread-and-circuses entertainment and willingness for the innumerable dolts out there who accept it all, I imagine I'll be long dead before it happens.

Its my one wish to see that a few of the robber barrons get impaled before I die. If I'm going to hell, It'll be my one comfort to see at least one or two of those bastards hit the fire first.

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» RE: Welcome to the end Posted by: fredlunau
» RE: Sorry to disapoint you... Posted by: Sekhmetnakt

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Limit Participation
Posted by: lilygirl65 on Oct 27, 2009 5:14 AM   
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I know that no one is able to "opt-out" of this mess completely, but my family does our part. We don't have a car loan (we pay cash), don't have credit cards (again, pay cash), and don't hold a mortgage (too expensive in money and freedom). We have our own retirement savings (not 401k) and keep our finances in our hands, not Wall Street's. Most of the time we restore or make things ourselves. Yet, we're not survivalists living on a homestead in Montana somewhere. We're city-living, bus-riding, cash-holding citizens who decided a decade ago not to follow the herd.

I feel bad for people who bought into the "American dream"--2 new cars, mortgage, credit cards, cell phones, pay TV, eating out constantly, all on future money. If more people would make decisions that were right for them instead of what they're told is right, some folks would be much better off and Wall Street would be the one crying.

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» RE: Limit Participation Posted by: JERSEYDAN

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The Fire Next Time
Posted by: Tom Degan on Oct 27, 2009 5:19 AM   
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Don't you dare forget....

Although there are more-than-a-few cowardly and pathetic Democrats at whose doorstep the blame for this catastrophic mess may be accurately and fairly laid....

The next time you go to the polls remember that it was the Republicans that did this to you.

To deny as much is to drift off into senselessness.

Something To Think About

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

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» RE: The Fire Next Time Posted by: Augustus_818
» RE: The Fire Next Time Posted by: lilygirl65
» Note to Augustus: Posted by: Tom Degan
» The audacity of ignorance. Posted by: franklyspanking
» RE: Deagan is the anti-Limbaugh? Posted by: kettleblack
» RE: This is so last year. Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: This is so last year. Posted by: Solar Wind
» RE: The Fire Next Time Posted by: wormfarmer

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Tom Deegan is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT
Posted by: timenotonmyside on Oct 27, 2009 5:39 AM   
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Don't you dare forget....

Although there are more-than-a-few cowardly and pathetic Democrats at whose doorstep the blame for this catastrophic mess may be accurately and fairly laid....

The next time you go to the polls remember that it was the Republicans that did this to you.

To deny as much is to drift off into senselessness.

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» RE: Both are Parties to the Scam Posted by: kettleblack

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gee
Posted by: grmartin on Oct 27, 2009 5:43 AM   
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You mean The American Dream was like a balloon,- or pyramid scheme? Where's my green prayer cloth!

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gee
Posted by: grmartin on Oct 27, 2009 5:47 AM   
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You mean The American Dream was like a balloon,- or pyramid scheme? Where's my green prayer cloth!

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Nice rant, but...
Posted by: drosera on Oct 27, 2009 5:56 AM   
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As a counter to this article's ravings--a few decent things that have happened in the last ten years or so:

1. The awakening of the American political consciousness. Reaganism is dead.

2. Creeping environmentalism: fuel-efficient cars sell. Canvas bags instead of paper. Solar and wind power.

3. The localism movement spreads. More people know where products are manufactured and try to buy locally.

4. US foreign policy has changed already and is moving away from American exceptionalism with every passing day.

5. People are putting their money into credit unions.

6. Old stuff is being used longer. Repair, rather than buying new things, is now a possibility.

7.Suburban commutes are seen for what they actually are: hour long, expensive ordeals. Car pooling and public transportation are up.

8. The web provides a source of information that MSM cannot compete with. Discussions like this connect people in ways unheard-of twenty years ago.

9. We are on the verge of creating a health system that will cover most, if not all the people.

10. There is a rise in those who choose "no religion" on surveys, implying people are beginning to regard religious claims with skepticism.

This is not pollyanna, sentimental BS. It is all true. Too many bloggers on this site take such joy in describing our troubles, reveling in their judgment in never having voted for anyone that has ever had an influence on the way events have turned out. They sound like seven year olds on the playground and are as impotent. How about a nuanced discussion of issues instead of full-blown rants?

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» Pollyanna Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: Pollyanna Posted by: eggnog2464
» no sense of history... Posted by: drosera
» Let's hope you're right. Posted by: tommy_slothrop

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The 700 military bases
Posted by: eggnog2464 on Oct 27, 2009 6:45 AM   
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Any bets on when these will disappear? And what will replace them?

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» RE: The 700 military bases Posted by: willymack

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Capitalism and Industrial Economies...
Posted by: Karlh on Oct 27, 2009 7:08 AM   
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The bottom line is that industrial economies cannot be maintained. They are wasteful and consume vast amounts of the planets resources. It was bound to happen that the economies of the world based on a limited resource such as fossil fuels would come to an end and very quickly. The industrial economy built in the last 150 - 200 years caused human population growth beyond what is sustainable and if it doesn't lead to human extinction may very well entail a massive natural die off of humans to correct what occured due to the industrial revolution.

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Yes, thank the privately owned, misnamed Federal Reserve Banks!!!
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Oct 27, 2009 7:26 AM   
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Just as Thomas Jefferson said, "If the America people ever allow private banks to control the issuance of their currencies, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all their prosperity until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

Wake-up, sheeple!!!

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» Nice quote, but he never said that Posted by: ReallyBearish

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We're so Helpless, Helpless, Help-Less...
Posted by: gazooks on Oct 27, 2009 7:26 AM   
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How long should it take for "progressives" to understand and digest the nature of the political beast that has usurped the very basis of our fantasy republic?

How much of a future do we have as a nation who's "leadership" deceives it's citizenry by default of it's own inability to see past it's economic fallacies of magical, endlessly leveraged economic sustainability?

How much more evident must it be to it's citizens that the corporate interests that control our government are parasitically sucking not just the economic lifeblood of our economy, but willfully conducting economic and literal war on the entire world with our acquiescence?

Finally, is there any indication from our elite puppeteers that they have any inclination to reverse course? The answer is crystal clear.

There is no averting an economic meltdown of a dominant, debt based system only able to continue to function through massive new borrowing. Borrowing what you can not repay is theft by universal law. What our government doesn't borrow, it steals, and first in the line of victims are it's own citizens. Secondary victims are everyone and every entity that buys the unrepayable debt in treasuries. That is rapidly coming to an end as the Fed becomes it's own best, and eventually only, customer.

So, we observe, note and comment on the process. We see the results in massive new poverty, the rise of a police state at every progressive test of free and peaceful political demonstration, aggression in foreign policy and strategic disinformation, tactical diversion, denial and lies. We enrich the rich and impoverish the poor and many are convinced that the sick need no treatment that they can not afford and that an excess of three million imprisoned is representative justice.

There has never, since the Civil War, been a time where the promise of America has become one of failure, but that's our reality now. Our investment in hope is apparently as misplaced as that of our 401k. Our expectation for recovery economically is as real as that for the pre-existing condition of the medically uninsured.

If you presume that we're above the monetary inflation of Argentina or Zimbabwe, the chaos of social disintegration of a Beirut or Sarajevo, or the repression resulting the collapse of every empire in history, there's a stall in a Baghdad market for sale.

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Alternet Editors: Thanks for Allowing the Racist Imagery
Posted by: Naomi on Oct 27, 2009 7:37 AM   
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Wow. So, I opened the article because it sure sounded interesting, and in the opening paragraphs I am assaulted with racist, imagery about "shamans" dancing around "carcasses" and "Indian sage".

Isn't it possible to publish an article without denigrating another group of people and their cultures - in this case Indigenous people? Apparently not on "progressive" Alternet.

Your Editor's consistent lack of attention to these issues make me believe that your publication simply doesn't care. Which is a damn shame. Wake up.

Naomi

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IT'S ALL BEEN SAID BEFORE
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Oct 27, 2009 7:41 AM   
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The author brings us nothing new. The article reads like a fifth grade assignemnt. "What I did this summer". Just a reminder of what's wrong which I already knew. I also watched it happen for 8 years when no one was allowed to criticize the administration. No mystery how we got here. This is really a rank amateur sample of writing. Content, for the most part true, but attitude is the dominant theme. That needs work. ANNA

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Wish you'd source your tirades.
Posted by: franklyspanking on Oct 27, 2009 7:41 AM   
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We, as a nation one third of whose population is functionally illiterate, were going to transmute ourselves into an information and transactional economy.

That was the most interesting tidbit in an article that tells us that fools and their money are soon parted. Gee. Imagine that! Is the author extrapolating this figure from the immediate family, his community, city, state, or other piecemeal statistical shenanigans, or do that many schools abjectly fail to do what they are paid to do?

Anyone have a real answer for this, or did it just have a heckuva good ring smack dab in the middle of the author's ravings regarding the economically obvious?

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» literacy really is pretty bad Posted by: inverse_agonist
» Thanks for the info. Educational. Posted by: franklyspanking

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Happy Holiday Season...from one of your MASTERS...
Posted by: picket on Oct 27, 2009 7:48 AM   
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Billionaire Wal-Mart heirs, Jim[17.8], Alice[17.6], and Christy[17.6]Walton want to wish you all the very BEST for the NEW YEAR. They wish they could afford a bonus for their hard working slaves but the 10 lb TURKEY will have to do this year. Sorry.

Now for the OTHER Slaves get that credit card ready, they have a DEAL for you. Get ready to stampede the front door for that extra special TV you could not afford LAST YEAR. THEY have FIVE at a really good deal for those early birds this year.

Just DO IT have a heart to heart talk with the children about reality. They will understand. Have an OLD Fashion Holiday instead. Tell the Bankers and Waltons to take a hike.

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No doubt
Posted by: xbeeno on Oct 27, 2009 8:07 AM   
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No doubt about it dude, we are in one huge hole and the sad part is, Obamas stupid speeches arent going to be enough to get us out!

JEss
Ultimate Anonymity

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This isn't football
Posted by: lclark on Oct 27, 2009 8:10 AM   
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It's not about team Elephant of Donkey. The players on both the teams have take bribes from the bookies and throw the games which ever way is needed to give the bookies more winnings.

You think because you bought a ticket your actually seeing a game rather than a performance.

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Begging For A Buck
Posted by: melpol on Oct 27, 2009 8:18 AM   
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American household assets remain at over 70 trillion dollars. That is more than the total wealth of the rest of the world. It Is true that the banks took a hit when consumers defaulted on their loans, but they quickly recovered thanks to the big bailout. All bets are on America to remain wealthy, unfortunately millions will be begging for a buck.

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As long as government gets out of the way, the economy will do just fine.
Posted by: superfeduphoosier on Oct 27, 2009 8:24 AM   
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It's always big government intervention that causes scam economies. Government that governs the least governs the best. VOTE LIBERTARIAN !

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Winnie the Pooh analogy
Posted by: willymack on Oct 27, 2009 9:07 AM   
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The Knight: How would you like to be my lackey?
Pooh: What's a lackey?
The Knight: That's someone who does what he's told, without question, and for NO pay.
Pooh: What's the catch?
It's easy to see that we've become something very much like lackeys, working ever harder, only to see our efforts come to naught, what the price of everything going UP and the VALUE going down.
It's way past time for corporate crooks to be chastised or even heavily fined for their theft of nearly everything of value, and time for them to be CRUSHED.
Only question here is, who's got the stomach for it?

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Without government....
Posted by: Steppin Razor on Oct 27, 2009 10:25 AM   
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When government of the people gets out of the way and business rules the people's lives what do you have??? Feudalism. Before the USA introduced government of the people all that could be seen was feudalism. The people served the economic interests and Civilization was stuck in a dead end. Not one libertarian will run out their fairy land scenerio and see where it will lead. They talk smack about how things will be great but not one bit of evidence supports this idea that government is the problem. They talk like it is the fault of the victim of a burglary that a burglary occured. BS! Our government has been hijacked. Is that the fault of our government??? Not the way I see it.

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One part of the system is about to implode
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Oct 27, 2009 11:28 AM   
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We've heard about countless homes being foreclosed on due to non-payment of mortgages. As it turns out, the courts (both at the state and federal level) are now ruling that these are illegal. Why? Because, thanks to the complex flim flam of mortgage repackaging in bonds, CDOs, etc., the ownership of the mortgages is in doubt. The courts have ruled that the alleged owners of the mortgages (registered through Mortgage Electronic Registration Systems) are so muddled that the "real" owners can't be determined, or at least aren't the folks trying to foreclose.

Millions of mortgages may soon just evaporate, costing investors, banks, insurance companies, etc. trillions.

Nice work, Wall Street! This won't be pretty!

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Funny money
Posted by: willymack on Oct 27, 2009 11:39 AM   
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I read recently that the derivitive market was worth something in the order of hundreds of TRILLIONS of dollars. Billions is chump change, now; get ready for the mention of a Quadrillion dollars.
Save your Monolopy money. Who knows? You may need it some day.

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» RE: Hey, some good news! Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: Sorry, wrong place. Posted by: oregoncharles

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"Somewhere in the smoking wreckage lie the solutions."
Posted by: oregoncharles on Oct 27, 2009 12:07 PM   
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Paragraph 7: go back and read it - I won't condescend by copying out the whole thing.

That, plus a few, is the Green Party platform. And it's exactly what the Dems will never, ever do for you.

Get a clue, grow a spine:

www.gp.org

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Hey, some good news.
Posted by: oregoncharles on Oct 27, 2009 12:12 PM   
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I saw that too. I just hope enough people catch on to take full advantage and bring down Big Finance. They're parasites.

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Time for sustainable zero growth world economy
Posted by: maxsmart on Oct 27, 2009 1:14 PM   
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The growth model has been our ponzi scam for centuries if not forever and now it is time to learn to live within the means of our planet before it is too late.

Making a profit off of others suffering has got to end. Excessive accumulation of wealth by an elite is not going to work anymore. A basic standard of living is necessary for everyone in the world to be secure.

Our military bases around the world need to be converted to staging areas for regional disaster emergency response of UN teams and supplies.

Indigenous peoples need to be protected as International Cultural Treasures and consulted regarding environmental issues pertinent to their area for native knowledge and expertise.

This is a new century and time is essential, short term profit has to give way to long term sustainable quality development with less mass production waste with planned obsolescense.

The toxic nuclear family of over-consumption needs to go in favor of larger more coherent group marriage communities with pooled skills, resources, and biodiversity of intimacy, with shared children for maintaining zero population growth.

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At first I was turned off
Posted by: grokagain on Oct 27, 2009 2:18 PM   
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by the sarcasm. But then as the sarcasm continued, I began to enjoy it. Nothing like hipster existentialist sarcasm!

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Before lobbyists
Posted by: Jeanne on Oct 27, 2009 5:30 PM   
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...how did Congress ever pass any laws?

Government is "...forced to hire these guys because no one else seems to have the connections or knows how to get a bill through Congress."

I guess this is much like people not knowing how to cook, pump gas, wash their own clothes, change a tire, or balance their own checkbooks.

Amazing, isn't it, that we pay Congress people their salaries, and wind up having government done to us by corporate-funded lobbyists.

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PEOPLE IN THEIR 50'S ARE LOSING THEIR JOBS IN DROVES
Posted by: cori on Oct 27, 2009 7:41 PM   
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Time to vote folks and let your reps know
this situation is unacceptable. We pay our
taxes all our working lives and they dump
us like so much garbage and not safety
nets or support systems.

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Superficial Article
Posted by: dayahka on Oct 27, 2009 7:42 PM   
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OK, so you got the obvious: we are a nation of slaves and ours is a nation of wealthy oligarchs. So what's new?

Underlying the whole caboodle is the fact that American wealth and powers grew and grows and remains not in its money (which is merely toilet paper with green ink) but in its guns and in its sadistic murder of anyone for any reason anywhere. Ours is a history of unbridled but sanctimonious violence against nature, people, and goodness, with a military ready to exterminate for resources or pleasure.

We are not simply an indebted people; we are an immoral, ungodly lot.

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That's just the opening act
Posted by: james108 on Oct 27, 2009 8:13 PM   
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Just wait until until they screw health care. Lot's of money to squeeze out of people there and they're right on track with the bailout script.

1. Shut out real solutions.
2. Hold the people hostage
3. Pass corporate fascist bills, keeping them vague and big with no time for the public or even congress to review closely.

It worked with the patriot act too, but let's talk democrats now since they're the ones doing it now.

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forget being broke, most of us will be poor..quite poor
Posted by: bvennie on Oct 29, 2009 6:27 AM   
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A Two Class World? Get Used To It

Economists state that "Higher unemployment might become the norm as result of (the) recession." The problem is that this is not simply a "recession," but the collapse of the heavily skewed global economic system. The follies of monopoly capitalism, combined with the funny money financial schemes, have hit the world hard. However, they have hit the United States particularly hard, and may have permanently damaged the economic dominance of the United States.

poverty, here you come

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" The Way Of Cap-it-all-ism Is The End "
Posted by: AceNewsService on Oct 30, 2009 2:46 PM   
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The way of any capitalistic state, country or world is a way to indebtedness that will grow and grow until it tips the scales in to a cataclysmic valley of no return.

All countries base their growth on borrowing and to borrow more than you need leads to debts that started as million, became billions and is now trillions, when l was young l was told the last one is zillions.

All economies have to build on firm foundations and this should be based on a formula of not-for-profit and all companies having a panel of people that are experts in their own field. But most of all put the consumer, client or constituent first and eventually profit will come from a good honest business relationship built on the foundations of " Trust Honesty and Care " and all that will follow is " Health Wealth and Prosperity " not jobless, homeless and as so many today family less. G

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The great deception... We believed it cause we wanted to.
Posted by: guadaloupi on Oct 31, 2009 11:16 PM   
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Long before the civil war The united states of America was one huge deception. George Washington approved the charter of the bank while he was President, which essentially guaranteed subjugation by the financial powers of Europe.

The Supreme Court ruled that Georgia would have to pay the bonds issued to fight the revolutionary war. See Chisholm v Georgia. In answer to the ruling in this case, the eleventh amendment was "passed" in order to enable the several states to renege on their valid debts to Citizens of other states. The Eleventh was later extended by the Supreme Court to include the Citizens of a state by an unlawful ruling in the case of ( Hans v. Louisiana) when the southern states wished to renege on their war debts from the Civil War. This action of the Supreme court was unlawful because the jurisdiction over Citizens of a State was specifically addressed by the Judiciary Act of 1789, ch xx, section 13..

More recently, the Eleventh Amendment and the case law of Hans v Louisiana has been used to bar all actions by citizens for the enforcement of Civil Rights. The Supreme Court asserted how this works very accurately, "The removal of all remedy for the enforcement of a right is to remove the right itself. But that is not within the power of the State." Poindexter v Greenhow.

We have been fed the lie that the civil war was fought to end slavery. Why then was the Emancipation Proclamation signed two years after the start of the "unpopular" Civil War? The civil war was instituted by the financial powers of Europe to subjugate us through massive debt and to preclude secession from the Union (United States Corporation).

The fact is that America is now and always has been a British colony: The British were not defeated: The Constitution of the United States is a bankruptcy document. The treaty of 1783 specifically identifies the king of England as the prince of the United States and contradicts the belief that America won the war of independence. If America had really won the war of independence, they would never have agreed to pay debts and reparations to the king of England.

Since the Act of 1871, which established the District of Columbia, we have been under the corporate rule of the UNITED STATES CORPORATION, which is owned by certain international bankers and aristocracy of Europe and Britain.

The United States is not a country, it is a for profit corporation only, and does not serve the interests of the people and never did. As a Sovereign People we have been deceived for hundreds of years; we think we are free, but in truth we are servants of the corporation. We are the tenants and sharecroppers renting our own property from a Sovereign in the guise of the Federal Reserve Bank. Look up the facts for yourself in the Delaware corporate records: The Federal Reserve is record #042817 and it is owned by the IMF (International Monitary Fund). You should query "United States of America" and "State of Mind".

"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws."
Mayer Amschel Rothschild, 1790

It is the corporate rule and the deception that keeps us under the thumb of the Banksters: So let us shatter the deceptions with the truth and take whatever steps as are necessary to throw off the yoke of corporate rule and bring the money mongers to justice for the frauds and Crimes they have perpetrated!

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Industrial Tariffs
Posted by: luksan on Nov 1, 2009 6:38 AM   
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In your laundry list prescription of liberal pet policies that have little to do with economic production, you have neglected to mention the 800 pound gorilla in the room, trade policy (and I'm not talking about "fair trade" nonsense). The reinstatement of industrial tariffs, the abolition of which led to deindustrialization of our economy in the first place, is a policy that almost every working class person I know, liberal, conservative, or independent, understands and supports.

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Continue the fantasy; it's all we have left...
Posted by: LightningJoe on Nov 1, 2009 2:52 PM   
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But the problem is that the economy is still walking, like Shawn of the Dead.

Why is it, that some of us economically-uneducated grunts could tell, waaaaay back twenty years ago, that Wall Street was out of control and running on fumes, but the denizens of the Street seemed only to become more giddy with every huff on the tailpipe? I don't know anyone who's now fooled, by the astronomical numbers on the Stock Exchange, into thinking that prosperity is back for the economy. Indeed, the higher the numbers go (in trades per day -- what is that, but a measure of the fever we're running?), the more people worry about the next, inevitable crash.

Evidently those who perpetrate this continuing hoax thought the "money" shuffle would last forever; or at least long enough for them to retire in style on their phantom cash. As it is, the sleight of hand HAS lasted long enough for SOME to skate with the big bucks, but most of the players are left with a growing bag of debt. And that end should have been foreseen, back when they were busy globalizing, and crowing that America is now a "service economy," and that we don't need no stinking factories, we can all just flip burgers and sell drugs, now that the good jobs have been sold overseas.

But reaconing comes eventually, even to those who try to fool it by changing the signs on the streets. Now the growth economies are those who refrained from participating in the casino, and concentrated on growing their own manufacturing sectors.

They have the REAL money, from doing the REAL work.

And from current signs, the "globalization brings growth" and "service economy" fantasies continue in force. The bailouts kept alive the worst offenders, who continue to game what's left of the "system," in a mad game of musical chairs to end up on top of nothing. We now limp along trying to raise the ghosts of our old prosperity, with every ad on the telly telling us that we (that each of us) are THE SPECIAL ONE who can have it all -- by doing what? Why by SPENDING IT ALL, naturally. Talk about fantasy; we need to conceptually separate those who sell, and those who spend, rather than continue to accept the sellers' lies.

Money continues to chase money, but now we can see the funnel of that gyre, and the hole it is all heading for.

And yet we continue to follow it down, further every day; because now it is the economy itself, that is "too big to [let] fail."

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Our Economy Was a Scam and Now We're Dead Broke
Posted by: mmckinl on Oct 27, 2009 1:26 AM   
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No Joe ... it's worse than broke.

Broke is when you have No Money. Not only do we have No Money, we owe trillions and trillions ... with trillions and trillions coming due for the Baby Boomers ...

Despite all the negativity there is one thing we can look forward to ... One Helluva roller coaster ride ... with no brakes, loose wheels, creaky rails and broken tracks ...

As the Chinese say "May you live in interesting times".

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If you like having another neocon in the White House, be sure to thank a progressive!
Posted by: Perry Logan on Oct 27, 2009 2:45 AM   
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Not so fast there, Joe. Did you vote for Obama?

If so, you have no right to pontificate about politics at this point. You need to shut up.

The same goes for all progressives in the U.S.: if you voted for Obama, you have just proven yourself to be a complete screw-up.

Your opinions about politics are not worth a turd. You desperately need to listen to those of us who saw through Obama in the first place.

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GO LOCAL, GO GREEN & GO ORGANIC!
Posted by: williameon on Oct 27, 2009 3:11 AM   
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Leave the COR-PARASITES behind!
Put your money where your mouth is.

Invest in FREEDOM
From CORPORATE Dominance
Become SELF sufficient, reliant, self sustainable and efficient.
Get back to your ROOTS.
Plant a garden, solar panel and wind turbine.

ELIMINATE the MIDDLE MAN!
Save the MAGIC beans.
They will come in handy next year.
Start making things,
ANYTHING!
That's wealth creation.
Help rebuild the manufacturing base,
One widget at a time.
Start in your own basement or garage.

JOIN The MICRO DEMOCRACY REVOLUTION!
Break the chains of CORPIRATE Slavery.
Become INDEPENDENT!

Survive and Prosper!

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Welcome to the end
Posted by: Farasien on Oct 27, 2009 4:34 AM   
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The one thing that makes me happy about this whole thing is, after its all said and done and everything is accounted for, everyone will be riding the same handbasket into the fire togather. True, some will have a better seat, but in the end, nobody escapes it.

I never understood why those in power didn't acnowledge that little fact. As deeply unwise and idiotic as they are, if for no other reason of their own survival, you'd think they would wake up to the realities of the hell they have created. While some of them think its only going to hit us filthy peasants, the reality is, without us to take the brunt, they get eaten by the monsters everntually too.

As I said as the econloy was beginning its downward trajectory a year or two ago, I'll get my revenge when the assholes who assume they are better than the rest of us are in the same gutter, standing right behind me in the bread line. Personally, I'm hoping for an actual French-style gillotine and noose-filled pesant revolt, but given the current bread-and-circuses entertainment and willingness for the innumerable dolts out there who accept it all, I imagine I'll be long dead before it happens.

Its my one wish to see that a few of the robber barrons get impaled before I die. If I'm going to hell, It'll be my one comfort to see at least one or two of those bastards hit the fire first.

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Limit Participation
Posted by: lilygirl65 on Oct 27, 2009 5:14 AM   
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I know that no one is able to "opt-out" of this mess completely, but my family does our part. We don't have a car loan (we pay cash), don't have credit cards (again, pay cash), and don't hold a mortgage (too expensive in money and freedom). We have our own retirement savings (not 401k) and keep our finances in our hands, not Wall Street's. Most of the time we restore or make things ourselves. Yet, we're not survivalists living on a homestead in Montana somewhere. We're city-living, bus-riding, cash-holding citizens who decided a decade ago not to follow the herd.

I feel bad for people who bought into the "American dream"--2 new cars, mortgage, credit cards, cell phones, pay TV, eating out constantly, all on future money. If more people would make decisions that were right for them instead of what they're told is right, some folks would be much better off and Wall Street would be the one crying.

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The Fire Next Time
Posted by: Tom Degan on Oct 27, 2009 5:19 AM   
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Don't you dare forget....

Although there are more-than-a-few cowardly and pathetic Democrats at whose doorstep the blame for this catastrophic mess may be accurately and fairly laid....

The next time you go to the polls remember that it was the Republicans that did this to you.

To deny as much is to drift off into senselessness.

Something To Think About

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

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Tom Deegan is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT
Posted by: timenotonmyside on Oct 27, 2009 5:39 AM   
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Don't you dare forget....

Although there are more-than-a-few cowardly and pathetic Democrats at whose doorstep the blame for this catastrophic mess may be accurately and fairly laid....

The next time you go to the polls remember that it was the Republicans that did this to you.

To deny as much is to drift off into senselessness.

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gee
Posted by: grmartin on Oct 27, 2009 5:43 AM   
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You mean The American Dream was like a balloon,- or pyramid scheme? Where's my green prayer cloth!

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gee
Posted by: grmartin on Oct 27, 2009 5:47 AM   
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You mean The American Dream was like a balloon,- or pyramid scheme? Where's my green prayer cloth!

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Nice rant, but...
Posted by: drosera on Oct 27, 2009 5:56 AM   
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As a counter to this article's ravings--a few decent things that have happened in the last ten years or so:

1. The awakening of the American political consciousness. Reaganism is dead.

2. Creeping environmentalism: fuel-efficient cars sell. Canvas bags instead of paper. Solar and wind power.

3. The localism movement spreads. More people know where products are manufactured and try to buy locally.

4. US foreign policy has changed already and is moving away from American exceptionalism with every passing day.

5. People are putting their money into credit unions.

6. Old stuff is being used longer. Repair, rather than buying new things, is now a possibility.

7.Suburban commutes are seen for what they actually are: hour long, expensive ordeals. Car pooling and public transportation are up.

8. The web provides a source of information that MSM cannot compete with. Discussions like this connect people in ways unheard-of twenty years ago.

9. We are on the verge of creating a health system that will cover most, if not all the people.

10. There is a rise in those who choose "no religion" on surveys, implying people are beginning to regard religious claims with skepticism.

This is not pollyanna, sentimental BS. It is all true. Too many bloggers on this site take such joy in describing our troubles, reveling in their judgment in never having voted for anyone that has ever had an influence on the way events have turned out. They sound like seven year olds on the playground and are as impotent. How about a nuanced discussion of issues instead of full-blown rants?

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The 700 military bases
Posted by: eggnog2464 on Oct 27, 2009 6:45 AM   
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Any bets on when these will disappear? And what will replace them?

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Capitalism and Industrial Economies...
Posted by: Karlh on Oct 27, 2009 7:08 AM   
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The bottom line is that industrial economies cannot be maintained. They are wasteful and consume vast amounts of the planets resources. It was bound to happen that the economies of the world based on a limited resource such as fossil fuels would come to an end and very quickly. The industrial economy built in the last 150 - 200 years caused human population growth beyond what is sustainable and if it doesn't lead to human extinction may very well entail a massive natural die off of humans to correct what occured due to the industrial revolution.

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Yes, thank the privately owned, misnamed Federal Reserve Banks!!!
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Oct 27, 2009 7:26 AM   
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Just as Thomas Jefferson said, "If the America people ever allow private banks to control the issuance of their currencies, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all their prosperity until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

Wake-up, sheeple!!!

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We're so Helpless, Helpless, Help-Less...
Posted by: gazooks on Oct 27, 2009 7:26 AM   
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How long should it take for "progressives" to understand and digest the nature of the political beast that has usurped the very basis of our fantasy republic?

How much of a future do we have as a nation who's "leadership" deceives it's citizenry by default of it's own inability to see past it's economic fallacies of magical, endlessly leveraged economic sustainability?

How much more evident must it be to it's citizens that the corporate interests that control our government are parasitically sucking not just the economic lifeblood of our economy, but willfully conducting economic and literal war on the entire world with our acquiescence?

Finally, is there any indication from our elite puppeteers that they have any inclination to reverse course? The answer is crystal clear.

There is no averting an economic meltdown of a dominant, debt based system only able to continue to function through massive new borrowing. Borrowing what you can not repay is theft by universal law. What our government doesn't borrow, it steals, and first in the line of victims are it's own citizens. Secondary victims are everyone and every entity that buys the unrepayable debt in treasuries. That is rapidly coming to an end as the Fed becomes it's own best, and eventually only, customer.

So, we observe, note and comment on the process. We see the results in massive new poverty, the rise of a police state at every progressive test of free and peaceful political demonstration, aggression in foreign policy and strategic disinformation, tactical diversion, denial and lies. We enrich the rich and impoverish the poor and many are convinced that the sick need no treatment that they can not afford and that an excess of three million imprisoned is representative justice.

There has never, since the Civil War, been a time where the promise of America has become one of failure, but that's our reality now. Our investment in hope is apparently as misplaced as that of our 401k. Our expectation for recovery economically is as real as that for the pre-existing condition of the medically uninsured.

If you presume that we're above the monetary inflation of Argentina or Zimbabwe, the chaos of social disintegration of a Beirut or Sarajevo, or the repression resulting the collapse of every empire in history, there's a stall in a Baghdad market for sale.

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Alternet Editors: Thanks for Allowing the Racist Imagery
Posted by: Naomi on Oct 27, 2009 7:37 AM   
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Wow. So, I opened the article because it sure sounded interesting, and in the opening paragraphs I am assaulted with racist, imagery about "shamans" dancing around "carcasses" and "Indian sage".

Isn't it possible to publish an article without denigrating another group of people and their cultures - in this case Indigenous people? Apparently not on "progressive" Alternet.

Your Editor's consistent lack of attention to these issues make me believe that your publication simply doesn't care. Which is a damn shame. Wake up.

Naomi

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IT'S ALL BEEN SAID BEFORE
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Oct 27, 2009 7:41 AM   
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The author brings us nothing new. The article reads like a fifth grade assignemnt. "What I did this summer". Just a reminder of what's wrong which I already knew. I also watched it happen for 8 years when no one was allowed to criticize the administration. No mystery how we got here. This is really a rank amateur sample of writing. Content, for the most part true, but attitude is the dominant theme. That needs work. ANNA

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Wish you'd source your tirades.
Posted by: franklyspanking on Oct 27, 2009 7:41 AM   
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We, as a nation one third of whose population is functionally illiterate, were going to transmute ourselves into an information and transactional economy.

That was the most interesting tidbit in an article that tells us that fools and their money are soon parted. Gee. Imagine that! Is the author extrapolating this figure from the immediate family, his community, city, state, or other piecemeal statistical shenanigans, or do that many schools abjectly fail to do what they are paid to do?

Anyone have a real answer for this, or did it just have a heckuva good ring smack dab in the middle of the author's ravings regarding the economically obvious?

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Happy Holiday Season...from one of your MASTERS...
Posted by: picket on Oct 27, 2009 7:48 AM   
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Billionaire Wal-Mart heirs, Jim[17.8], Alice[17.6], and Christy[17.6]Walton want to wish you all the very BEST for the NEW YEAR. They wish they could afford a bonus for their hard working slaves but the 10 lb TURKEY will have to do this year. Sorry.

Now for the OTHER Slaves get that credit card ready, they have a DEAL for you. Get ready to stampede the front door for that extra special TV you could not afford LAST YEAR. THEY have FIVE at a really good deal for those early birds this year.

Just DO IT have a heart to heart talk with the children about reality. They will understand. Have an OLD Fashion Holiday instead. Tell the Bankers and Waltons to take a hike.

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No doubt
Posted by: xbeeno on Oct 27, 2009 8:07 AM   
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No doubt about it dude, we are in one huge hole and the sad part is, Obamas stupid speeches arent going to be enough to get us out!

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This isn't football
Posted by: lclark on Oct 27, 2009 8:10 AM   
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It's not about team Elephant of Donkey. The players on both the teams have take bribes from the bookies and throw the games which ever way is needed to give the bookies more winnings.

You think because you bought a ticket your actually seeing a game rather than a performance.

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Begging For A Buck
Posted by: melpol on Oct 27, 2009 8:18 AM   
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American household assets remain at over 70 trillion dollars. That is more than the total wealth of the rest of the world. It Is true that the banks took a hit when consumers defaulted on their loans, but they quickly recovered thanks to the big bailout. All bets are on America to remain wealthy, unfortunately millions will be begging for a buck.

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As long as government gets out of the way, the economy will do just fine.
Posted by: superfeduphoosier on Oct 27, 2009 8:24 AM   
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It's always big government intervention that causes scam economies. Government that governs the least governs the best. VOTE LIBERTARIAN !

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Winnie the Pooh analogy
Posted by: willymack on Oct 27, 2009 9:07 AM   
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The Knight: How would you like to be my lackey?
Pooh: What's a lackey?
The Knight: That's someone who does what he's told, without question, and for NO pay.
Pooh: What's the catch?
It's easy to see that we've become something very much like lackeys, working ever harder, only to see our efforts come to naught, what the price of everything going UP and the VALUE going down.
It's way past time for corporate crooks to be chastised or even heavily fined for their theft of nearly everything of value, and time for them to be CRUSHED.
Only question here is, who's got the stomach for it?

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Without government....
Posted by: Steppin Razor on Oct 27, 2009 10:25 AM   
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When government of the people gets out of the way and business rules the people's lives what do you have??? Feudalism. Before the USA introduced government of the people all that could be seen was feudalism. The people served the economic interests and Civilization was stuck in a dead end. Not one libertarian will run out their fairy land scenerio and see where it will lead. They talk smack about how things will be great but not one bit of evidence supports this idea that government is the problem. They talk like it is the fault of the victim of a burglary that a burglary occured. BS! Our government has been hijacked. Is that the fault of our government??? Not the way I see it.

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One part of the system is about to implode
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Oct 27, 2009 11:28 AM   
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We've heard about countless homes being foreclosed on due to non-payment of mortgages. As it turns out, the courts (both at the state and federal level) are now ruling that these are illegal. Why? Because, thanks to the complex flim flam of mortgage repackaging in bonds, CDOs, etc., the ownership of the mortgages is in doubt. The courts have ruled that the alleged owners of the mortgages (registered through Mortgage Electronic Registration Systems) are so muddled that the "real" owners can't be determined, or at least aren't the folks trying to foreclose.

Millions of mortgages may soon just evaporate, costing investors, banks, insurance companies, etc. trillions.

Nice work, Wall Street! This won't be pretty!

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Funny money
Posted by: willymack on Oct 27, 2009 11:39 AM   
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I read recently that the derivitive market was worth something in the order of hundreds of TRILLIONS of dollars. Billions is chump change, now; get ready for the mention of a Quadrillion dollars.
Save your Monolopy money. Who knows? You may need it some day.

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"Somewhere in the smoking wreckage lie the solutions."
Posted by: oregoncharles on Oct 27, 2009 12:07 PM   
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Paragraph 7: go back and read it - I won't condescend by copying out the whole thing.

That, plus a few, is the Green Party platform. And it's exactly what the Dems will never, ever do for you.

Get a clue, grow a spine:

www.gp.org

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Hey, some good news.
Posted by: oregoncharles on Oct 27, 2009 12:12 PM   
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I saw that too. I just hope enough people catch on to take full advantage and bring down Big Finance. They're parasites.

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Time for sustainable zero growth world economy
Posted by: maxsmart on Oct 27, 2009 1:14 PM   
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The growth model has been our ponzi scam for centuries if not forever and now it is time to learn to live within the means of our planet before it is too late.

Making a profit off of others suffering has got to end. Excessive accumulation of wealth by an elite is not going to work anymore. A basic standard of living is necessary for everyone in the world to be secure.

Our military bases around the world need to be converted to staging areas for regional disaster emergency response of UN teams and supplies.

Indigenous peoples need to be protected as International Cultural Treasures and consulted regarding environmental issues pertinent to their area for native knowledge and expertise.

This is a new century and time is essential, short term profit has to give way to long term sustainable quality development with less mass production waste with planned obsolescense.

The toxic nuclear family of over-consumption needs to go in favor of larger more coherent group marriage communities with pooled skills, resources, and biodiversity of intimacy, with shared children for maintaining zero population growth.

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At first I was turned off
Posted by: grokagain on Oct 27, 2009 2:18 PM   
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by the sarcasm. But then as the sarcasm continued, I began to enjoy it. Nothing like hipster existentialist sarcasm!

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Before lobbyists
Posted by: Jeanne on Oct 27, 2009 5:30 PM   
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...how did Congress ever pass any laws?

Government is "...forced to hire these guys because no one else seems to have the connections or knows how to get a bill through Congress."

I guess this is much like people not knowing how to cook, pump gas, wash their own clothes, change a tire, or balance their own checkbooks.

Amazing, isn't it, that we pay Congress people their salaries, and wind up having government done to us by corporate-funded lobbyists.

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PEOPLE IN THEIR 50'S ARE LOSING THEIR JOBS IN DROVES
Posted by: cori on Oct 27, 2009 7:41 PM   
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Time to vote folks and let your reps know
this situation is unacceptable. We pay our
taxes all our working lives and they dump
us like so much garbage and not safety
nets or support systems.

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Superficial Article
Posted by: dayahka on Oct 27, 2009 7:42 PM   
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OK, so you got the obvious: we are a nation of slaves and ours is a nation of wealthy oligarchs. So what's new?

Underlying the whole caboodle is the fact that American wealth and powers grew and grows and remains not in its money (which is merely toilet paper with green ink) but in its guns and in its sadistic murder of anyone for any reason anywhere. Ours is a history of unbridled but sanctimonious violence against nature, people, and goodness, with a military ready to exterminate for resources or pleasure.

We are not simply an indebted people; we are an immoral, ungodly lot.

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That's just the opening act
Posted by: james108 on Oct 27, 2009 8:13 PM   
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Just wait until until they screw health care. Lot's of money to squeeze out of people there and they're right on track with the bailout script.

1. Shut out real solutions.
2. Hold the people hostage
3. Pass corporate fascist bills, keeping them vague and big with no time for the public or even congress to review closely.

It worked with the patriot act too, but let's talk democrats now since they're the ones doing it now.

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forget being broke, most of us will be poor..quite poor
Posted by: bvennie on Oct 29, 2009 6:27 AM   
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A Two Class World? Get Used To It

Economists state that "Higher unemployment might become the norm as result of (the) recession." The problem is that this is not simply a "recession," but the collapse of the heavily skewed global economic system. The follies of monopoly capitalism, combined with the funny money financial schemes, have hit the world hard. However, they have hit the United States particularly hard, and may have permanently damaged the economic dominance of the United States.

poverty, here you come

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" The Way Of Cap-it-all-ism Is The End "
Posted by: AceNewsService on Oct 30, 2009 2:46 PM   
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The way of any capitalistic state, country or world is a way to indebtedness that will grow and grow until it tips the scales in to a cataclysmic valley of no return.

All countries base their growth on borrowing and to borrow more than you need leads to debts that started as million, became billions and is now trillions, when l was young l was told the last one is zillions.

All economies have to build on firm foundations and this should be based on a formula of not-for-profit and all companies having a panel of people that are experts in their own field. But most of all put the consumer, client or constituent first and eventually profit will come from a good honest business relationship built on the foundations of " Trust Honesty and Care " and all that will follow is " Health Wealth and Prosperity " not jobless, homeless and as so many today family less. G

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The great deception... We believed it cause we wanted to.
Posted by: guadaloupi on Oct 31, 2009 11:16 PM   
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Long before the civil war The united states of America was one huge deception. George Washington approved the charter of the bank while he was President, which essentially guaranteed subjugation by the financial powers of Europe.

The Supreme Court ruled that Georgia would have to pay the bonds issued to fight the revolutionary war. See Chisholm v Georgia. In answer to the ruling in this case, the eleventh amendment was "passed" in order to enable the several states to renege on their valid debts to Citizens of other states. The Eleventh was later extended by the Supreme Court to include the Citizens of a state by an unlawful ruling in the case of ( Hans v. Louisiana) when the southern states wished to renege on their war debts from the Civil War. This action of the Supreme court was unlawful because the jurisdiction over Citizens of a State was specifically addressed by the Judiciary Act of 1789, ch xx, section 13..

More recently, the Eleventh Amendment and the case law of Hans v Louisiana has been used to bar all actions by citizens for the enforcement of Civil Rights. The Supreme Court asserted how this works very accurately, "The removal of all remedy for the enforcement of a right is to remove the right itself. But that is not within the power of the State." Poindexter v Greenhow.

We have been fed the lie that the civil war was fought to end slavery. Why then was the Emancipation Proclamation signed two years after the start of the "unpopular" Civil War? The civil war was instituted by the financial powers of Europe to subjugate us through massive debt and to preclude secession from the Union (United States Corporation).

The fact is that America is now and always has been a British colony: The British were not defeated: The Constitution of the United States is a bankruptcy document. The treaty of 1783 specifically identifies the king of England as the prince of the United States and contradicts the belief that America won the war of independence. If America had really won the war of independence, they would never have agreed to pay debts and reparations to the king of England.

Since the Act of 1871, which established the District of Columbia, we have been under the corporate rule of the UNITED STATES CORPORATION, which is owned by certain international bankers and aristocracy of Europe and Britain.

The United States is not a country, it is a for profit corporation only, and does not serve the interests of the people and never did. As a Sovereign People we have been deceived for hundreds of years; we think we are free, but in truth we are servants of the corporation. We are the tenants and sharecroppers renting our own property from a Sovereign in the guise of the Federal Reserve Bank. Look up the facts for yourself in the Delaware corporate records: The Federal Reserve is record #042817 and it is owned by the IMF (International Monitary Fund). You should query "United States of America" and "State of Mind".

"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws."
Mayer Amschel Rothschild, 1790

It is the corporate rule and the deception that keeps us under the thumb of the Banksters: So let us shatter the deceptions with the truth and take whatever steps as are necessary to throw off the yoke of corporate rule and bring the money mongers to justice for the frauds and Crimes they have perpetrated!

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Industrial Tariffs
Posted by: luksan on Nov 1, 2009 6:38 AM   
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In your laundry list prescription of liberal pet policies that have little to do with economic production, you have neglected to mention the 800 pound gorilla in the room, trade policy (and I'm not talking about "fair trade" nonsense). The reinstatement of industrial tariffs, the abolition of which led to deindustrialization of our economy in the first place, is a policy that almost every working class person I know, liberal, conservative, or independent, understands and supports.

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Continue the fantasy; it's all we have left...
Posted by: LightningJoe on Nov 1, 2009 2:52 PM   
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But the problem is that the economy is still walking, like Shawn of the Dead.

Why is it, that some of us economically-uneducated grunts could tell, waaaaay back twenty years ago, that Wall Street was out of control and running on fumes, but the denizens of the Street seemed only to become more giddy with every huff on the tailpipe? I don't know anyone who's now fooled, by the astronomical numbers on the Stock Exchange, into thinking that prosperity is back for the economy. Indeed, the higher the numbers go (in trades per day -- what is that, but a measure of the fever we're running?), the more people worry about the next, inevitable crash.

Evidently those who perpetrate this continuing hoax thought the "money" shuffle would last forever; or at least long enough for them to retire in style on their phantom cash. As it is, the sleight of hand HAS lasted long enough for SOME to skate with the big bucks, but most of the players are left with a growing bag of debt. And that end should have been foreseen, back when they were busy globalizing, and crowing that America is now a "service economy," and that we don't need no stinking factories, we can all just flip burgers and sell drugs, now that the good jobs have been sold overseas.

But reaconing comes eventually, even to those who try to fool it by changing the signs on the streets. Now the growth economies are those who refrained from participating in the casino, and concentrated on growing their own manufacturing sectors.

They have the REAL money, from doing the REAL work.

And from current signs, the "globalization brings growth" and "service economy" fantasies continue in force. The bailouts kept alive the worst offenders, who continue to game what's left of the "system," in a mad game of musical chairs to end up on top of nothing. We now limp along trying to raise the ghosts of our old prosperity, with every ad on the telly telling us that we (that each of us) are THE SPECIAL ONE who can have it all -- by doing what? Why by SPENDING IT ALL, naturally. Talk about fantasy; we need to conceptually separate those who sell, and those who spend, rather than continue to accept the sellers' lies.

Money continues to chase money, but now we can see the funnel of that gyre, and the hole it is all heading for.

And yet we continue to follow it down, further every day; because now it is the economy itself, that is "too big to [let] fail."

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