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It's Not Too Late for Obama to Choose Between Being a Peace President and War President

Obama can choose between going on the peace maker-route, or take the path of recent presidents and continue with the war games.
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When the Nobel Committee awarded its annual peace prize to President Barack Obama, it afforded him a golden opportunity seldom offered to American war presidents: the possibility of success. Should he decide to go the peace-maker route, Obama stands a chance of really accomplishing something significant. On the other hand, history suggests that the path of war is a surefire loser. As president after president has discovered, especially since World War II, the U.S. military simply can't seal the deal on winning a war.

While the armed forces can do many things, the one thing that has generally escaped them is that ultimate endpoint: lasting victory. This might have been driven home recently -- had anyone noticed -- when, in the midst of the Washington debate over the Afghan War, a forgotten front in President Bush's Global War on Terror, the Philippines, popped back into the news. On September 25th, New York Times correspondent Norimitsu Onishi wrote:

 

"Early this decade, American soldiers landed on the island of Basilan, here in the southern Philippines, to help root out the militant Islamic separatist group Abu Sayyaf. Now, Basilan's biggest towns, once overrun by Abu Sayyaf and criminal groups, have become safe enough that a local Avon lady trolls unworriedly for customers. Still, despite seven years of joint military missions and American development projects, much of the island outside main towns like Lamitan remains unsafe."

In attempting to explain the uneven progress of U.S. counterinsurgency operations against Muslim guerillas in the region after the better part of a decade, Onishi also noted, "Basilan, like many other Muslim and Christian areas in the southern Philippines, has a long history of political violence, clan warfare and corruption." While he remained silent about events prior to the 1990s, his newspaper had offered this reasonably rosy assessment of U.S. counterinsurgency efforts against Muslim guerrillas on the same island -- 100 years earlier:

 

"Detachments of the Twenty-third and Twenty-fifth Infantry, with constabulary and armed launches assisting, are engaged in disarming the Moros on Basilan Island. The troops are distributed around the coast and are co-operating in a series of closing-in movements."

Days after Onishi's report appeared, two American soldiers were killed on nearby Jolo Island. As a Reuters story noted, it "was the first deadly strike against U.S. forces deployed in the southern Philippines since a soldier in a restaurant was killed in 2002..." As in Basilan, however, the U.S. counterinsurgency story in Jolo actually goes back a long way. In early January 1905, to cite just one example, two members of the U.S. military -- the 14th Cavalry to be exact -- were killed during pacification operations on that same island.

That U.S. forces are attempting to defeat Muslim guerrillas on the same two tiny islands a century later should perhaps give President Obama pause as he weighs his options in Afghanistan and considers his recent award. It might also be worth his time to assess the military's record of success in conflicts since World War II, starting with the stalemate war in Korea that began in June 1950 and has yet to end in peace, let alone victory. That quiescent but unsettled conflict provides a ready-made opportunity for the president to achieve a triumph that has long escaped the U.S. military. He could help make a lasting peace on a de-nuclearized Korean peninsula and so begin earning his recent award.

Vietnam and Beyond

At the moment, Obama and his fellow Washington power-players are reportedly immersed in the literature of the Vietnam War in an attempt to use history as a divining rod for discovering a path forward in Afghanistan. At the Pentagon, many evidently still cling to the notion that the conflict was lost thanks to the weakness of public support in the U.S., pessimistic reporting by the media, and politicians without backbones.


Nick Turse is the associate editor and research director of Tomdispatch.com. His first book, The Complex: How the Military Invades Our Everyday Lives, an exploration of the new military-corporate complex in America, was recently published by Metropolitan Books. His website is Nick Turse.com.
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It Should Come As No Surprise...
Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy on Oct 24, 2009 12:08 AM   
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“Neither McCain nor Obama is interested in turning back the imperial presidency. They want to be the imperial president.” Boston University historian Andrew Bacevich (2008)


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Fighting fire with fire, is one thing.
Posted by: joebanana on Oct 24, 2009 1:44 AM   
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But fighting terrorism, with terrorism, reminds me of something my mother taught me, "two wrongs don't make a right". the US has a way of getting stuck on stupid. It's like they don't learn, and violence is their way of dealing with things they don't like, or don't understand. bullying never solved anything, and never will. Who are we retaliating against for 911, woman, children, old men, old woman, camels? How can you fight a "war" when the other side doesn't even have an army? Just like the war on drugs, is actually a war on Americans. This abolition of policy has killed more people than the drugs they're fighting have.

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Power
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Oct 24, 2009 3:55 AM   
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This article seems to miss the point it proports to be making. Whether Obama uses his powers for good or evil, or avoids mistakes of the past, is beside the point. So why does it go on about foreign policy mistakes and tell him how to play it right next time?

Whatever you thought of Ron Paul otherwise, that was his core message: that we ought to get back to the "Founders'" concept of presidential power, or lack of it. For all practical purposes, we have no checks and balances left, so tyrannical decisions driven by mob outrage and/or executive ego will continue to slip through, regardless of how hip and cool our president is.

Using the Nobel Peace Prize as a carrot was a colossal mistake and a terrible precedent. But it does show how spineless the rest of the world has become, and that international checks and balances have failed as well. The message seems to be that the only hope for the world is to wait for a US president with half a brain to come along, and give him treats in hopes that they'll put him in a good mood.

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Wars And Dissidents
Posted by: melpol on Oct 24, 2009 6:26 AM   
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It cannot be repeated often enough: “ The war against dissidents is a trillion dollar business, it employes millions”. No American president will want, or dare cut a hole in that budget. There will always be dissidents, and there will always be wars that cannot be won. Relax and watch the show.

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Wrong title, author, source
Posted by: leafsong1 on Oct 24, 2009 6:38 AM   
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It seems there was a bit of a mix-up.

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gilhowcan
Posted by: gilhowcan on Oct 24, 2009 6:47 AM   
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And the first steps that are needed--from the Supreme Court as well as the Congress--are clear definitions of the illegality of Executive Orders and Executive Signing Statements that are nothing less than autocratic, dictatorial, defiant, and unconstitutional one-person legislating. They are absolutely thumbing the nose at our separation of powers among the three branches of our supposedly constitutional government. Congress is the legislature, not the president. The president has a significant role in proposing and then accepting or rejecting the bills disposed by Congress. Other than that, the president is bound, like every one of us, to obey the laws, in the president's case, to execute them. It is illegal for any president to make laws under the phony guise of these Executive Orders and Signing Statement. Bush/Cheney opposed that separation of powers outrageously in this way. It must be clarified and it must be stopped.

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American Hubris strikes again
Posted by: theblackgeorgecarlin on Oct 24, 2009 10:11 AM   
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The reason that the US has been unsuccessful in Iraq,Afghanistan, and Pakistan is that they refuse to realise the limits of conventional warfare. The US military beats all others in terms of technology and sheer firepower,but those things aren't worth shit against a irregular army of 3rd world guerillas. Technology and firepower might matter to other industrialized nations,but Guerillas will always beat the conventional military because of
a.) Its their homeland and they know the terrain and land and people better than conventional invaders.
b.) They might already have support of the native population.
c.) They are prone to avoid direct combat in favor of sabotage and subterfuge, as well as bizare and psychological tactics such as suicide bombing and car bombing.
c.)They don't have anything to lose. They can't just back out at anytime like the conventional warfare invaders,they have no were to go, they are fighting for their life and their country. Technology and firepower only matter when a nation has extensive wealth, is productive, has valuable resource,and a literate and rational population, something that a agrarian-theocracy like Afghanistan doesn't have, or Iraq used to have before we invaded it.

The conventional military on the other hand will lose always because
a.) They don't know anything about the people or the land and terrain,because they insulate themselves in fortresses away from the population.
b.) They are usually hated by the native pop,usually because they usually kill so many innocent civilians and don't respect their culture.
c.) They are all about brute force and displays of mass destruction, but all that does is cause property damage, and grow support for the guerillas.
d.) They actually have something to lose. Nations that have a guerilla presence usually aren't rich, were as nations that can support a technologically advanced army such as the US are usually spending an excessive amount of cash to keep the war going. Plus, the reasons that the conventional army invade are usually shallow ones like profit(preserving a natural gas pipeline) or racism or some such nonsense, never to "spread democracy" or "liberation". America has blown a trillion dollars and counting, and all we have to show for it is 500,000 innocent dead Iraqis,10,000 dead US soldiers,and those that survive this mess now have mental illness like PTSD, and the collapse of civilization in two nations, and we are now stuck helping them to rebuild what we just destroyed.POINTLESS!

The US refusal to see these points speaks to a arrogance and hubris which is unique to most imperial nations. "How dare these primitive people still stand up to our might, we have predator drones and stinger missiles,M1 Abrams tanks and F-22 fighter jets" they refuse to learn from their mistakes, they just don't get it.

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Be Careful
Posted by: Lilly on Oct 24, 2009 2:59 PM   
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Right-wing TV and radio figures and right-wing websites call Obama a dictator on the order of Adolf Hitler and Pol Pot. Sometimes they call Obama a Nazi who is building concentration camps and training a secret army to go into American homes where Black Militant thugs will euthanize the elderly, circumcise the males, inject everyone with any substance they choose, recruit the teenagers, and indoctrinate the children. Other times they call him a Communist who is deliberately destroying the American economy so he can turn us over to Putin. And in between they call him a Kenyan-born Muslim who is out to bring a "Christian nation" into Islam.

They do not stop. They do this daily. Glenn Beck runs old film footage of Hitler's army marching across Europe waving swastikas while superimposing Obama's picture in the foreground. And when anyone protests this juggernaut of right-wing propaganda, right-wingers all scream, "Freedom of speech! You see, this proves we're right---Obama wants to control us. He is a dictator."

If left-leaning websites like AlterNet join the chorus of criticism of Obama, who will be left to defend him? Or do you think that with Sarah Palin, Mike Huckabee, or Michelle Bachmann in the White House, the influence from Corporate America and the Religious Right and the revived Committee on Un-american Activities won't bring us their own version of "empire"? Remember that it was a Republican administration rep speaking to Ron Suskind who used that word when he said "We are an empire now".

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Stopping the slide to imperialism
Posted by: Doubtom43 on Oct 24, 2009 9:33 PM   
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Someone is hopelessly delusional if he thinks that the slide to empire building started with Obama. You must live in an alternate universe if you're unaware of our historical record of empire building in this hemisphere alone, much less in the rest of the world. We have backed dictators throughout South and Central America, we have engaged in assassination plots against those government who were insufficiently enthusiastic about our business takeovers, we have placed our troops in more countries than I can count--we are and have been an empire for years! We are also a nation of liars and hypocrites because we continue to teach our children that we are a democratic Republic. The rest of the world has no illusions about what the United States is, regardless of what we profess to be. Democratic Republics do not maintain standing armies in over a hundred foreign nations nor do they project democracy at the point of a gun.
Sad to say, this is definitely a bi-partisan effort with the two main parties being equally responsible.
The slide to empire building started many decades before Obama was even born.

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Reading material
Posted by: badkitty on Oct 24, 2009 9:45 PM   
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Personally, I would advise Obama and his staff to read Dispatches by Michael Herr and The Basic Training of Pavlo Hummel by David Rabe. That should about cover anything they need to know about Vietnam. Or he could just refer to my emails, which advise him to get out of Afghanistan now, based on what happened in Vietnam while I was a teenager. Or he could watch footage of helicopters taking off from the roof of our embassy in Saigon.

However, I would say that Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize because of his many openings, not yet fulfulled, towards peace--his new year's greeting to the Iranians, his speech to the Turks, his speech to the Egyptians, and his work on nuclear weapons. I must say, I have been very pleasantly surprised. I will actually be happy if he acts like a president and gets us out Afghanistan now (or at least in the next year).

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makaainana
Posted by: Makaainana on Oct 25, 2009 10:48 AM   
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Talk is cheap. Obama talks a good line, but his actions are so loud its getting harder and harder to hear him.

It seems Presidents are so cowardly, so lacking in faith in our Constitution and our Bill of Rights that they will destroy them "to protect" us.

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WAR IS A RACKET
Posted by: dogtor on Oct 25, 2009 12:01 PM   
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General Smedley Butler USMC

CHAPTER ONE

WAR IS A RACKET It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.

In the World War [I] a mere handful garnered the profits of the conflict. At least 21,000 new millionaires and billionaires were made in the United States during the World War. That many admitted their huge blood gains in their income tax returns. How many other war millionaires falsified their tax returns no one knows.

How many of these war millionaires shouldered a rifle? How many of them dug a trench? How many of them knew what it meant to go hungry in a rat-infested dug-out? How many of them spent sleepless, frightened nights, ducking shells and shrapnel and machine gun bullets? How many of them parried a bayonet thrust of an enemy? How many of them were wounded or killed in battle?

Out of war nations acquire additional territory, if they are victorious. They just take it. This newly acquired territory promptly is exploited by the few – the selfsame few who wrung dollars out of blood in the war. The general public shoulders the bill.

And what is this bill?

This bill renders a horrible accounting. Newly placed gravestones. Mangled bodies. Shattered minds. Broken hearts and homes. Economic instability. Depression and all its attendant miseries. Back-breaking taxation for generations and generations.

For a great many years, as a soldier, I had a suspicion that war was a racket; not until I retired to civil life did I fully realize it. Now that I see the international war clouds gathering, as they are today, I must face it and speak out.

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Red meat for 3rd party advocates.
Posted by: oregoncharles on Oct 25, 2009 12:55 PM   
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David Swanson at http://david swanson.org:

"Why is it that every time we elect "peace" candidates we defund the peace movement, stop calling for an end to wars, and limit our demands exclusively to opposing war escalations? "

He doesn't answer that question, but it's pretty obvious: because we keep on voting for non-peace candidates of an imperial party, the Democrats. Well, I don't, but far too many of us do. The Democratic Party's real job in the duopoly has become obvious: co-opting and derailing any movement for peace or social justice. I'm beginning to wonder how many times they'll pull this scam before masses of people catch on.

There IS a party with principles of peace, sustainability, and social and economic justice: the Green Party, www.gp.org.

I'm really wondering when the left in this country will "grow a spine" and start voting its principles and self-interest, instead of its fears. The consequences of gutless voting are now clear enough.

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First a new Congress
Posted by: reelectnoone on Oct 26, 2009 11:13 AM   
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You can't trust Congress to help...they don't work for us any longer.

We need to stop re-electing existing members and replace them over and over until they learn to listen to the voter instead of the lobbyist.

Only when we have a Congress that again, works for the people can we start to fix the mess that is American government.

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Then don't sign it.
Posted by: robert.noll on Oct 26, 2009 11:43 AM   
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Signing statements are the same as line item vetos. Not an option. Either sign the law and abide by it or veto it entirely.

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We Voters have a duty to force Congres to Prosecute the Bush/Cheney abuses, especially Torture.
Posted by: JohnHKennedy Denver CO on Oct 27, 2009 9:11 AM   
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It is chilling as a parent to know that my child will live in an America that tolerates Torture! When I am gone, she will have to face this reality alone.

Torture, in the hands of an extremist President or Vice President, will in the future be used against political opponents, your children or grandchildren. It that the legacy you want? Torture is not security, it is Terror!

We Voters Must finally rid America of this scourge. Only by forcing our Congress to call for enforcement of our Federal Laws can we stop it. Torture has been a Federal Crime since being signed into law by President Reagan, but Obama is only investigating CIA Field Agents, Not the Bush people who conspired to allow torture.

Please find the courage to make Obama and Congress enforce our Federal Laws, especially torture.

Please
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It Should Come As No Surprise...
Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy on Oct 24, 2009 12:08 AM   
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“Neither McCain nor Obama is interested in turning back the imperial presidency. They want to be the imperial president.” Boston University historian Andrew Bacevich (2008)


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Fighting fire with fire, is one thing.
Posted by: joebanana on Oct 24, 2009 1:44 AM   
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But fighting terrorism, with terrorism, reminds me of something my mother taught me, "two wrongs don't make a right". the US has a way of getting stuck on stupid. It's like they don't learn, and violence is their way of dealing with things they don't like, or don't understand. bullying never solved anything, and never will. Who are we retaliating against for 911, woman, children, old men, old woman, camels? How can you fight a "war" when the other side doesn't even have an army? Just like the war on drugs, is actually a war on Americans. This abolition of policy has killed more people than the drugs they're fighting have.

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Power
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Oct 24, 2009 3:55 AM   
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This article seems to miss the point it proports to be making. Whether Obama uses his powers for good or evil, or avoids mistakes of the past, is beside the point. So why does it go on about foreign policy mistakes and tell him how to play it right next time?

Whatever you thought of Ron Paul otherwise, that was his core message: that we ought to get back to the "Founders'" concept of presidential power, or lack of it. For all practical purposes, we have no checks and balances left, so tyrannical decisions driven by mob outrage and/or executive ego will continue to slip through, regardless of how hip and cool our president is.

Using the Nobel Peace Prize as a carrot was a colossal mistake and a terrible precedent. But it does show how spineless the rest of the world has become, and that international checks and balances have failed as well. The message seems to be that the only hope for the world is to wait for a US president with half a brain to come along, and give him treats in hopes that they'll put him in a good mood.

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Wars And Dissidents
Posted by: melpol on Oct 24, 2009 6:26 AM   
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It cannot be repeated often enough: “ The war against dissidents is a trillion dollar business, it employes millions”. No American president will want, or dare cut a hole in that budget. There will always be dissidents, and there will always be wars that cannot be won. Relax and watch the show.

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Wrong title, author, source
Posted by: leafsong1 on Oct 24, 2009 6:38 AM   
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It seems there was a bit of a mix-up.

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gilhowcan
Posted by: gilhowcan on Oct 24, 2009 6:47 AM   
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And the first steps that are needed--from the Supreme Court as well as the Congress--are clear definitions of the illegality of Executive Orders and Executive Signing Statements that are nothing less than autocratic, dictatorial, defiant, and unconstitutional one-person legislating. They are absolutely thumbing the nose at our separation of powers among the three branches of our supposedly constitutional government. Congress is the legislature, not the president. The president has a significant role in proposing and then accepting or rejecting the bills disposed by Congress. Other than that, the president is bound, like every one of us, to obey the laws, in the president's case, to execute them. It is illegal for any president to make laws under the phony guise of these Executive Orders and Signing Statement. Bush/Cheney opposed that separation of powers outrageously in this way. It must be clarified and it must be stopped.

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American Hubris strikes again
Posted by: theblackgeorgecarlin on Oct 24, 2009 10:11 AM   
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The reason that the US has been unsuccessful in Iraq,Afghanistan, and Pakistan is that they refuse to realise the limits of conventional warfare. The US military beats all others in terms of technology and sheer firepower,but those things aren't worth shit against a irregular army of 3rd world guerillas. Technology and firepower might matter to other industrialized nations,but Guerillas will always beat the conventional military because of
a.) Its their homeland and they know the terrain and land and people better than conventional invaders.
b.) They might already have support of the native population.
c.) They are prone to avoid direct combat in favor of sabotage and subterfuge, as well as bizare and psychological tactics such as suicide bombing and car bombing.
c.)They don't have anything to lose. They can't just back out at anytime like the conventional warfare invaders,they have no were to go, they are fighting for their life and their country. Technology and firepower only matter when a nation has extensive wealth, is productive, has valuable resource,and a literate and rational population, something that a agrarian-theocracy like Afghanistan doesn't have, or Iraq used to have before we invaded it.

The conventional military on the other hand will lose always because
a.) They don't know anything about the people or the land and terrain,because they insulate themselves in fortresses away from the population.
b.) They are usually hated by the native pop,usually because they usually kill so many innocent civilians and don't respect their culture.
c.) They are all about brute force and displays of mass destruction, but all that does is cause property damage, and grow support for the guerillas.
d.) They actually have something to lose. Nations that have a guerilla presence usually aren't rich, were as nations that can support a technologically advanced army such as the US are usually spending an excessive amount of cash to keep the war going. Plus, the reasons that the conventional army invade are usually shallow ones like profit(preserving a natural gas pipeline) or racism or some such nonsense, never to "spread democracy" or "liberation". America has blown a trillion dollars and counting, and all we have to show for it is 500,000 innocent dead Iraqis,10,000 dead US soldiers,and those that survive this mess now have mental illness like PTSD, and the collapse of civilization in two nations, and we are now stuck helping them to rebuild what we just destroyed.POINTLESS!

The US refusal to see these points speaks to a arrogance and hubris which is unique to most imperial nations. "How dare these primitive people still stand up to our might, we have predator drones and stinger missiles,M1 Abrams tanks and F-22 fighter jets" they refuse to learn from their mistakes, they just don't get it.

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Be Careful
Posted by: Lilly on Oct 24, 2009 2:59 PM   
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Right-wing TV and radio figures and right-wing websites call Obama a dictator on the order of Adolf Hitler and Pol Pot. Sometimes they call Obama a Nazi who is building concentration camps and training a secret army to go into American homes where Black Militant thugs will euthanize the elderly, circumcise the males, inject everyone with any substance they choose, recruit the teenagers, and indoctrinate the children. Other times they call him a Communist who is deliberately destroying the American economy so he can turn us over to Putin. And in between they call him a Kenyan-born Muslim who is out to bring a "Christian nation" into Islam.

They do not stop. They do this daily. Glenn Beck runs old film footage of Hitler's army marching across Europe waving swastikas while superimposing Obama's picture in the foreground. And when anyone protests this juggernaut of right-wing propaganda, right-wingers all scream, "Freedom of speech! You see, this proves we're right---Obama wants to control us. He is a dictator."

If left-leaning websites like AlterNet join the chorus of criticism of Obama, who will be left to defend him? Or do you think that with Sarah Palin, Mike Huckabee, or Michelle Bachmann in the White House, the influence from Corporate America and the Religious Right and the revived Committee on Un-american Activities won't bring us their own version of "empire"? Remember that it was a Republican administration rep speaking to Ron Suskind who used that word when he said "We are an empire now".

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Stopping the slide to imperialism
Posted by: Doubtom43 on Oct 24, 2009 9:33 PM   
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Someone is hopelessly delusional if he thinks that the slide to empire building started with Obama. You must live in an alternate universe if you're unaware of our historical record of empire building in this hemisphere alone, much less in the rest of the world. We have backed dictators throughout South and Central America, we have engaged in assassination plots against those government who were insufficiently enthusiastic about our business takeovers, we have placed our troops in more countries than I can count--we are and have been an empire for years! We are also a nation of liars and hypocrites because we continue to teach our children that we are a democratic Republic. The rest of the world has no illusions about what the United States is, regardless of what we profess to be. Democratic Republics do not maintain standing armies in over a hundred foreign nations nor do they project democracy at the point of a gun.
Sad to say, this is definitely a bi-partisan effort with the two main parties being equally responsible.
The slide to empire building started many decades before Obama was even born.

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Reading material
Posted by: badkitty on Oct 24, 2009 9:45 PM   
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Personally, I would advise Obama and his staff to read Dispatches by Michael Herr and The Basic Training of Pavlo Hummel by David Rabe. That should about cover anything they need to know about Vietnam. Or he could just refer to my emails, which advise him to get out of Afghanistan now, based on what happened in Vietnam while I was a teenager. Or he could watch footage of helicopters taking off from the roof of our embassy in Saigon.

However, I would say that Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize because of his many openings, not yet fulfulled, towards peace--his new year's greeting to the Iranians, his speech to the Turks, his speech to the Egyptians, and his work on nuclear weapons. I must say, I have been very pleasantly surprised. I will actually be happy if he acts like a president and gets us out Afghanistan now (or at least in the next year).

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makaainana
Posted by: Makaainana on Oct 25, 2009 10:48 AM   
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Talk is cheap. Obama talks a good line, but his actions are so loud its getting harder and harder to hear him.

It seems Presidents are so cowardly, so lacking in faith in our Constitution and our Bill of Rights that they will destroy them "to protect" us.

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WAR IS A RACKET
Posted by: dogtor on Oct 25, 2009 12:01 PM   
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General Smedley Butler USMC

CHAPTER ONE

WAR IS A RACKET It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.

In the World War [I] a mere handful garnered the profits of the conflict. At least 21,000 new millionaires and billionaires were made in the United States during the World War. That many admitted their huge blood gains in their income tax returns. How many other war millionaires falsified their tax returns no one knows.

How many of these war millionaires shouldered a rifle? How many of them dug a trench? How many of them knew what it meant to go hungry in a rat-infested dug-out? How many of them spent sleepless, frightened nights, ducking shells and shrapnel and machine gun bullets? How many of them parried a bayonet thrust of an enemy? How many of them were wounded or killed in battle?

Out of war nations acquire additional territory, if they are victorious. They just take it. This newly acquired territory promptly is exploited by the few – the selfsame few who wrung dollars out of blood in the war. The general public shoulders the bill.

And what is this bill?

This bill renders a horrible accounting. Newly placed gravestones. Mangled bodies. Shattered minds. Broken hearts and homes. Economic instability. Depression and all its attendant miseries. Back-breaking taxation for generations and generations.

For a great many years, as a soldier, I had a suspicion that war was a racket; not until I retired to civil life did I fully realize it. Now that I see the international war clouds gathering, as they are today, I must face it and speak out.

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Red meat for 3rd party advocates.
Posted by: oregoncharles on Oct 25, 2009 12:55 PM   
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David Swanson at http://david swanson.org:

"Why is it that every time we elect "peace" candidates we defund the peace movement, stop calling for an end to wars, and limit our demands exclusively to opposing war escalations? "

He doesn't answer that question, but it's pretty obvious: because we keep on voting for non-peace candidates of an imperial party, the Democrats. Well, I don't, but far too many of us do. The Democratic Party's real job in the duopoly has become obvious: co-opting and derailing any movement for peace or social justice. I'm beginning to wonder how many times they'll pull this scam before masses of people catch on.

There IS a party with principles of peace, sustainability, and social and economic justice: the Green Party, www.gp.org.

I'm really wondering when the left in this country will "grow a spine" and start voting its principles and self-interest, instead of its fears. The consequences of gutless voting are now clear enough.

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First a new Congress
Posted by: reelectnoone on Oct 26, 2009 11:13 AM   
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You can't trust Congress to help...they don't work for us any longer.

We need to stop re-electing existing members and replace them over and over until they learn to listen to the voter instead of the lobbyist.

Only when we have a Congress that again, works for the people can we start to fix the mess that is American government.

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Then don't sign it.
Posted by: robert.noll on Oct 26, 2009 11:43 AM   
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Signing statements are the same as line item vetos. Not an option. Either sign the law and abide by it or veto it entirely.

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We Voters have a duty to force Congres to Prosecute the Bush/Cheney abuses, especially Torture.
Posted by: JohnHKennedy Denver CO on Oct 27, 2009 9:11 AM   
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It is chilling as a parent to know that my child will live in an America that tolerates Torture! When I am gone, she will have to face this reality alone.

Torture, in the hands of an extremist President or Vice President, will in the future be used against political opponents, your children or grandchildren. It that the legacy you want? Torture is not security, it is Terror!

We Voters Must finally rid America of this scourge. Only by forcing our Congress to call for enforcement of our Federal Laws can we stop it. Torture has been a Federal Crime since being signed into law by President Reagan, but Obama is only investigating CIA Field Agents, Not the Bush people who conspired to allow torture.

Please find the courage to make Obama and Congress enforce our Federal Laws, especially torture.

Please
SIGN the PETITION
demanding prosecution at


ANGRYVOTERS.Org

And Please share this Url with all your friends and
Ask them to sign the petitions.


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