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Not Your Father's Chamber of Commerce: National Organization Is Now a Tool of the Radical Right
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The U.S. Chamber of Commerce is often seen as an extension of the local Chambers of Commerce with which many of us grew up -- the staid, nonpartisan organizations that not only advocated for local businesses, but were also a part of the broader fabric of communities across America. They lobbied local governments, but they also promoted small towns' business districts, sponsored local parades and outfitted Little League teams.
But that image couldn't be further out of date. The organization was formed some 90 years ago to represent an umbrella group of American businesses' diverse interests. But under the leadership of Thomas J. Donahue, it has become increasingly partisan, even reactionary, in its steadfast opposition to even modestly progressive proposals in Congress, including those that are in the apparent interests of some of its member firms.
Matt Stoller noted in 2006, "the national Chamber of Commerce isn't pro-business … it's just a fully captured right-wing organization that has been taken over by the Republican Party."
What distinguishes it from other conservative lobbying shops is its massive resources; the CoC has a budget of upwards of $150 million per year, and it throws that into a wide array of affiliate organizations that influence public policy in myriad ways and at every level of government.
Given its reach and impact on our public-policy debates, the CoC has operated under the radar to some degree. But its claim to represent a consensus of American businesses -- presumably a pragmatic role, given the diversity of its members' interests -- took a hit last week with the high-profile defection of a number of major firms because of the CoC's unyielding opposition to the very moderate and distinctly business-friendly climate-change bills wending through Congress.
Such corporate heavyweights as Nike, GE and Apple -- and energy giants like Exelon and Pacific Energy and Gas -- have recently either distanced themselves from the Chamber, resigned their seats on its board of directors or quit the organization altogether in protest of what PG&E CEO Peter Darby called the CoC's "extreme position" on global warming and "disingenuous attempts to diminish or distort the reality of [the] challenges [it poses]."
Not Your Father's Chamber
The Chamber, which spends more on lobbying than any other organization in the country, has become a kind of unelected brake on the engine of progressive change -- the head of a massively influential network of deep-pocketed organizations whose essential purpose is preventing the creation of a more just society.
Which is fine with the Chamber's leadership; Donohue has lamented that democracy doesn't always serve the interests of his corporate constituents.
In 2007, lamenting Congress's failure to pass "fast-track" trade authority, Donahue said: "I've sort of come to the point that I don't blame the politicians as much as I blame their constituents."
Donahue has become Washington's most powerful advocate for corporate America, and you'd be hard pressed to find a better representative of the corporate culture that permeates our executive suites these days.
Writing of the Chamber's campaign to avoid new regulations for the financial industry in the midst of a severe recession that Wall Street's recklessness brought about, SEIU Vice President Anna Burger noted Donahue's checkered history "as a board member for companies plagued by accounting scandals, insider-trading investigations and massive shareholder losses."
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Posted by: mmckinl on Oct 15, 2009 12:32 AM
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If the U.S. indeed had single payer would Chrysler and GM be in bankruptcy ... probably not. It was the car makers legacy costs that cost them so dearly.
GM was rightly described as an HMO that built cars. Their cost overhead drove them to produce huge gas guzzling SUVs because that was where they could make enough profit to offset these costs. They had to abandon the low margin small car market.
Industry by industry The Chamber has been driving production overseas by pushing laws for favorable tax treatments that actually pay producers to relocate abroad!
The Chambers all out lobbying for "free trade" has left America naked for the theft of its industry, its markets national and international and the high value jobs that once produced these goods.
The Chamber has also, as Josh noted, been the best friend of the banksters both before and after the financial cataclysm of 2008-9. Worse they aide and abet the world's biggest heist; the ongoing fraud and thievery of trillions of tax payer dollars by the banksters at the expense of all their other members whose markets are crippled and customers bankrupted.
The COC is truly a Chamber of Horrors. The Chamber is the epitome of just about everything that is going wrong with this country, our economy and our governance and Thomas J. Donahue is the poster child for the conspiracy of this organizational malevolence of greed and fraud.
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Posted by: notabilia on Oct 15, 2009 2:20 AM
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When did such Ken Burnsian whitewash of American history become Alternet's default liberal propaganda?
Let's see, all through the McCarthy era, the neo-slavery era, the massive transfer of wealth from workers to elite financial criminals, Vietnam, Watergate, the construction of global empire and bantustans in the American inner cities, there was the US Chamber of Commerce, nice and kindly and not offensive with its representation of Business, money, development.
Are you kidding me? This is all a continuation, my friend, an amplification. If you look back for some kind of golden era in America, you will be deluded, and you might as well move back in with your parents.
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» RE: The thesis is nonsense
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» I Must Agree-Nonsense!
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Posted by: debocracy on Oct 15, 2009 2:24 AM
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The Powell Memorandum explains why the U$A has become the laughingstock of the civilized world. Assholes are in charge here. Lewis F. Powell, a Supreme Court Justice, wrote it up after a few beers with his neighbor, the President of the US Chamber of Commerce.
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» Behold... Bushlandia. Or, CoClandia?
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Oct 15, 2009 2:56 AM
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FYI moron, those constituents are not only voters and taxpayers, but Customers.
This tactic was used during a recent Hospital millage vote. Numerous business had huge signs against the minute tax increase to retain a local hospitals neo natal ICU, a Burn Unit and Senior care services. I no longer shop at ANY of these business who had those oppositon signs out front.
those Neo Natals are YOUR customers new born children. Those Burn victims are their spouses. Those seniors- their parents.
What once was a Sign of Community mindedness should now be considered a plaque indicatings apathy towards their community and their customers- Self Serving Greed!
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» RE: "Constitutents" are CUSTOMERS!!!!
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» Corporations are all the same.
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Posted by: cd348 on Oct 15, 2009 4:01 AM
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Posted by: GuitarBill on Oct 15, 2009 4:26 AM
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Double-dealing business owners also understand that it's to their advantage to organize in their efforts to defeat worker organizing and unionization. That's why a majority of American businesses belong to their own union. It's called the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.
So what happened to The Employee Free Choice Act?
The Chamber of Commerce amassed a multi-million-dollar war chest to disseminate anti-labor propaganda and pay for lobbying Congress to defeat the Employee Free Choice Act--and guess what, they won.
Source: US Chamber of Commerce: Challenging the Unions' Anti-Growth Agenda.
Did you know that "Big Labor’s Agenda Is Bad for U.S. Workers and the Economy"? Or that "Unions Are Pushing an Agenda That Interferes With the Way Businesses Work"? Are you aware that the US Chamber of Commerce intends to save America by "Standing Up to Labor—Stopping Card Check Legislation and Other Bad Policies"?
No?
Then you don't read enough US Chamber of Commerce propaganda.
%^)
Not to worry, because they own the US news media and the Congress.
Now, go back to sleep and spew idiotic international Jewish conspiracy theories, while the US Chamber of Commerce continues to exercise stealth dictatorial control of the US Congress.
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» Please, not a UNION rather a group of fascist fraternity pranksters.
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Posted by: McGovern72! on Oct 15, 2009 4:45 AM
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on Oct 15, 2009 6:19 AM
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The Global Warming Cult that has got its Tentacles deeply entrenched into both The World's Media and The World's Governments opposses any Open Scientific Debate, because it would reveal their Gross Scientific Fraud. Scientific Fraud is at Least as Bad as Financial Fraud and Should Be Prosecuted.
The Political Position of The US Chamber of Commerce is Irrelevant.
The are asking for a SCIENTIFIC Debate, not a Religious or Political Argument.
Tony
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» Guess where you got that information? From the Chamber of Commerce!
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» RE: Guess where you got that information? From the Chamber of Commerce!
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» "Open debate"? The US Chamber of Commerce advocates "open debate"? LOL!
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» RE: "Open debate"? The US Chamber of Commerce advocates "open debate"? LOL!
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» Boxcutter Bill, you are being uncharacteristically uncharitable towards your masters.
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» RE: Geez! OK, what about environmental POISONING???
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Posted by: sliver on Oct 15, 2009 6:28 AM
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Just send this article to your local chamber, and see if it makes them start to talk about it there.
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Posted by: Bozwell on Oct 15, 2009 6:29 AM
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Posted by: ETSpoon on Oct 15, 2009 7:11 AM
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I mean, hell, the Chamber hired me.
Anyway I started training in Marshalltown, Iowa, at that time a small Midwestern city that relied on unionized industries Lennox Industries and Marshalltown Tools mainly. The pitch I was taught was "unions are bad for business!"
So on the first day I was cut loose from my trainer, a "born-again" Christian, I walk into an optometrist's office and begin my spiel, emphasizing the "unions are bad for business" bullshit. The optometrist very nicely lectured me on the fact that the majority of his patients were union members and their families.
Being raised in a union household I had to agree with the optometrist and quite the Chamber the next day.
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Posted by: americansheep on Oct 15, 2009 8:12 AM
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Posted by: drricklippin on Oct 15, 2009 8:41 AM
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There is nothing inherently wrong with promoting "commerce" per se but when the excesses of commerce cause harm they must self/auto adapt(ha)or be regulated/required to adapt.
So to me it's all about cyclicality and excess and ultimately about self destruction
Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa
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» You suggest that commerce has an adaptive characteristic, tell that to an American Indian.
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» Of Course "Commerce" Can Adapt- But it Can Also Self Destruct!
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» new regulatory agency
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Posted by: willymack on Oct 15, 2009 9:12 AM
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Businesses close ranks, using the chamber for support, whenever a complaint of this or that abuse, fraud, or outright theft, from any business comes to light.
The "better" business bureau is pretty much the same; better for business, and to hell with the consumer.
As mentioned above, just look at the C of C's stand on HR676, or anything else representing a dimunition of the bottom line, and in favor of the PEOPLE.
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Posted by: EmilyCragg on Oct 15, 2009 11:58 AM
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And right now, this is the case. Corporate ELITES are stampeding over everybody else, without regard to the environment, social issues or the human families that incubate corporate creativity and skills.
Hitler rules, even now.
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Posted by: Higher Reptile on Oct 15, 2009 11:59 AM
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Our Cheap Politicians
http://www.counterpunch.org/andrew10152009.html
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Posted by: FreeAmerica on Oct 16, 2009 7:45 AM
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Since the chamber's mission is to promote member businesses and interests, naturally they will be opposed to the liberal position.
Between all of the taxes, the bullshit global warming scam, the health care scam, devaluing the American currency, running the uS into crippling debt, using environmental regs to push business to China where they are free to pollute, obviously progressives are anti-business, anti-capitalist, and anti-prosperity. Naturally the pro-business chamber will be opposed to the liberal position.
It is realy simple. American business as represented by the chamber doesn't want the American prosperity crippling stupidity of the demoncrats. The chamber is simply doing it's job.
Naturally the Pavlovian left attacks what doesn't agree with them, and here we are.
As far as a trial for global warming, studied skeptics such as myself have been asking for this for almost a decade. The globull warmers won't show up to defend their prosperity crippling stupidity that time has proven again and again wrong.
The closest we got so far is when a court in the UK declared that gore's propaganda piece was filled with inaccuracies. Gore won't debate, Hansen won't debate, and sites like realclimate censor their comments to avoid any debate.
It is no surprise that the left has put out the word to grouphate the chamber. They are polar opposites in their philosophies. The only thing to see now is how far the fascists on the left go to force their will on everyone. Big Brother has spoken. Go grouphate the chamber.
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Posted by: fredtowson on Oct 16, 2009 10:20 AM
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The Chamber has also, as Josh noted, been the best friend of the banksters both before and after the financial cataclysm of 2008-9. Worse they aide and abet the world's biggest heist; the ongoing fraud and thievery of trillions of tax payer dollars by the the vampire diaries tv show posters the vampire diaries posters private practice s03e03 hdtv.xvid-2hd english subtitles субтитры к сериалам субтитры к шоу seropol5 banksters at the expense of all their other members whose markets are crippled and customers bankrupted.
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Posted by: Prinzowhales on Oct 16, 2009 10:31 AM
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Goldman Sachs is giving record bonuses...and, I must say, they've done a wonderful job for the Corporatists...the biggest backers of our Nobel winning Prez' were from GS...they should get a plaque from their local Chamber...for national service...a nice bronze plaque for all they've done for America--with the help of the dumb animals who vote for mainstream Democrats and Republicans, of course. Trillions for Goldman Sachs! Homelessness and Unemployment for the people who voted for you! Well done, Obama!
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» Your assertion is pure nonsense
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Posted by: ChicagoWay on Oct 16, 2009 10:41 AM
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The nation's largest small business association, The National Federation of Independent Business, memberbership vote 80% plus republican. Small and mid-size business make the Chamber and big business look liberal in comparison :)
http://www.nfib.com/
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Posted by: donotworry on Oct 21, 2009 8:09 AM
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Posted by: mmckinl on Oct 15, 2009 12:32 AM
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If the U.S. indeed had single payer would Chrysler and GM be in bankruptcy ... probably not. It was the car makers legacy costs that cost them so dearly.
GM was rightly described as an HMO that built cars. Their cost overhead drove them to produce huge gas guzzling SUVs because that was where they could make enough profit to offset these costs. They had to abandon the low margin small car market.
Industry by industry The Chamber has been driving production overseas by pushing laws for favorable tax treatments that actually pay producers to relocate abroad!
The Chambers all out lobbying for "free trade" has left America naked for the theft of its industry, its markets national and international and the high value jobs that once produced these goods.
The Chamber has also, as Josh noted, been the best friend of the banksters both before and after the financial cataclysm of 2008-9. Worse they aide and abet the world's biggest heist; the ongoing fraud and thievery of trillions of tax payer dollars by the banksters at the expense of all their other members whose markets are crippled and customers bankrupted.
The COC is truly a Chamber of Horrors. The Chamber is the epitome of just about everything that is going wrong with this country, our economy and our governance and Thomas J. Donahue is the poster child for the conspiracy of this organizational malevolence of greed and fraud.
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» The democratic leadership is stifling single payer discussion
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» RE: not worth even debating, even though it's both progressive and conservative
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Posted by: notabilia on Oct 15, 2009 2:20 AM
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When did such Ken Burnsian whitewash of American history become Alternet's default liberal propaganda?
Let's see, all through the McCarthy era, the neo-slavery era, the massive transfer of wealth from workers to elite financial criminals, Vietnam, Watergate, the construction of global empire and bantustans in the American inner cities, there was the US Chamber of Commerce, nice and kindly and not offensive with its representation of Business, money, development.
Are you kidding me? This is all a continuation, my friend, an amplification. If you look back for some kind of golden era in America, you will be deluded, and you might as well move back in with your parents.
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» RE: The thesis is nonsense
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» RE: The thesis is nonsense
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» I Must Agree-Nonsense!
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Posted by: debocracy on Oct 15, 2009 2:24 AM
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The Powell Memorandum explains why the U$A has become the laughingstock of the civilized world. Assholes are in charge here. Lewis F. Powell, a Supreme Court Justice, wrote it up after a few beers with his neighbor, the President of the US Chamber of Commerce.
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» Behold... Bushlandia. Or, CoClandia?
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» RE: Behold... A 40-year campaign to destroy... middle class, college campuses, church pulpits, etc
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Oct 15, 2009 2:56 AM
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FYI moron, those constituents are not only voters and taxpayers, but Customers.
This tactic was used during a recent Hospital millage vote. Numerous business had huge signs against the minute tax increase to retain a local hospitals neo natal ICU, a Burn Unit and Senior care services. I no longer shop at ANY of these business who had those oppositon signs out front.
those Neo Natals are YOUR customers new born children. Those Burn victims are their spouses. Those seniors- their parents.
What once was a Sign of Community mindedness should now be considered a plaque indicatings apathy towards their community and their customers- Self Serving Greed!
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» RE: "Constitutents" are CUSTOMERS!!!!
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» Corporations are all the same.
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Posted by: cd348 on Oct 15, 2009 4:01 AM
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Posted by: GuitarBill on Oct 15, 2009 4:26 AM
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Double-dealing business owners also understand that it's to their advantage to organize in their efforts to defeat worker organizing and unionization. That's why a majority of American businesses belong to their own union. It's called the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.
So what happened to The Employee Free Choice Act?
The Chamber of Commerce amassed a multi-million-dollar war chest to disseminate anti-labor propaganda and pay for lobbying Congress to defeat the Employee Free Choice Act--and guess what, they won.
Source: US Chamber of Commerce: Challenging the Unions' Anti-Growth Agenda.
Did you know that "Big Labor’s Agenda Is Bad for U.S. Workers and the Economy"? Or that "Unions Are Pushing an Agenda That Interferes With the Way Businesses Work"? Are you aware that the US Chamber of Commerce intends to save America by "Standing Up to Labor—Stopping Card Check Legislation and Other Bad Policies"?
No?
Then you don't read enough US Chamber of Commerce propaganda.
%^)
Not to worry, because they own the US news media and the Congress.
Now, go back to sleep and spew idiotic international Jewish conspiracy theories, while the US Chamber of Commerce continues to exercise stealth dictatorial control of the US Congress.
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» Please, not a UNION rather a group of fascist fraternity pranksters.
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Posted by: McGovern72! on Oct 15, 2009 4:45 AM
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» Good point. Republi-lite should be a good name to term them.
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on Oct 15, 2009 6:19 AM
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The Global Warming Cult that has got its Tentacles deeply entrenched into both The World's Media and The World's Governments opposses any Open Scientific Debate, because it would reveal their Gross Scientific Fraud. Scientific Fraud is at Least as Bad as Financial Fraud and Should Be Prosecuted.
The Political Position of The US Chamber of Commerce is Irrelevant.
The are asking for a SCIENTIFIC Debate, not a Religious or Political Argument.
Tony
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» Guess where you got that information? From the Chamber of Commerce!
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» RE: Guess where you got that information? From the Chamber of Commerce!
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» "Open debate"? The US Chamber of Commerce advocates "open debate"? LOL!
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» RE: "Open debate"? The US Chamber of Commerce advocates "open debate"? LOL!
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» Boxcutter Bill, you are being uncharacteristically uncharitable towards your masters.
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» RE: Geez! OK, what about environmental POISONING???
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Posted by: sliver on Oct 15, 2009 6:28 AM
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Just send this article to your local chamber, and see if it makes them start to talk about it there.
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» Also, Spitzer's plan: call your state's pension fund
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Posted by: ETSpoon on Oct 15, 2009 7:11 AM
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I mean, hell, the Chamber hired me.
Anyway I started training in Marshalltown, Iowa, at that time a small Midwestern city that relied on unionized industries Lennox Industries and Marshalltown Tools mainly. The pitch I was taught was "unions are bad for business!"
So on the first day I was cut loose from my trainer, a "born-again" Christian, I walk into an optometrist's office and begin my spiel, emphasizing the "unions are bad for business" bullshit. The optometrist very nicely lectured me on the fact that the majority of his patients were union members and their families.
Being raised in a union household I had to agree with the optometrist and quite the Chamber the next day.
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Posted by: americansheep on Oct 15, 2009 8:12 AM
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Posted by: drricklippin on Oct 15, 2009 8:41 AM
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There is nothing inherently wrong with promoting "commerce" per se but when the excesses of commerce cause harm they must self/auto adapt(ha)or be regulated/required to adapt.
So to me it's all about cyclicality and excess and ultimately about self destruction
Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa
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» You suggest that commerce has an adaptive characteristic, tell that to an American Indian.
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Posted by: willymack on Oct 15, 2009 9:12 AM
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Businesses close ranks, using the chamber for support, whenever a complaint of this or that abuse, fraud, or outright theft, from any business comes to light.
The "better" business bureau is pretty much the same; better for business, and to hell with the consumer.
As mentioned above, just look at the C of C's stand on HR676, or anything else representing a dimunition of the bottom line, and in favor of the PEOPLE.
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Posted by: EmilyCragg on Oct 15, 2009 11:58 AM
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And right now, this is the case. Corporate ELITES are stampeding over everybody else, without regard to the environment, social issues or the human families that incubate corporate creativity and skills.
Hitler rules, even now.
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Posted by: Higher Reptile on Oct 15, 2009 11:59 AM
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Our Cheap Politicians
http://www.counterpunch.org/andrew10152009.html
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Posted by: New American on Oct 15, 2009 7:47 PM
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Posted by: FreeAmerica on Oct 16, 2009 7:45 AM
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Since the chamber's mission is to promote member businesses and interests, naturally they will be opposed to the liberal position.
Between all of the taxes, the bullshit global warming scam, the health care scam, devaluing the American currency, running the uS into crippling debt, using environmental regs to push business to China where they are free to pollute, obviously progressives are anti-business, anti-capitalist, and anti-prosperity. Naturally the pro-business chamber will be opposed to the liberal position.
It is realy simple. American business as represented by the chamber doesn't want the American prosperity crippling stupidity of the demoncrats. The chamber is simply doing it's job.
Naturally the Pavlovian left attacks what doesn't agree with them, and here we are.
As far as a trial for global warming, studied skeptics such as myself have been asking for this for almost a decade. The globull warmers won't show up to defend their prosperity crippling stupidity that time has proven again and again wrong.
The closest we got so far is when a court in the UK declared that gore's propaganda piece was filled with inaccuracies. Gore won't debate, Hansen won't debate, and sites like realclimate censor their comments to avoid any debate.
It is no surprise that the left has put out the word to grouphate the chamber. They are polar opposites in their philosophies. The only thing to see now is how far the fascists on the left go to force their will on everyone. Big Brother has spoken. Go grouphate the chamber.
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Posted by: fredtowson on Oct 16, 2009 10:20 AM
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The Chamber has also, as Josh noted, been the best friend of the banksters both before and after the financial cataclysm of 2008-9. Worse they aide and abet the world's biggest heist; the ongoing fraud and thievery of trillions of tax payer dollars by the the vampire diaries tv show posters the vampire diaries posters private practice s03e03 hdtv.xvid-2hd english subtitles субтитры к сериалам субтитры к шоу seropol5 banksters at the expense of all their other members whose markets are crippled and customers bankrupted.
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Posted by: Prinzowhales on Oct 16, 2009 10:31 AM
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Goldman Sachs is giving record bonuses...and, I must say, they've done a wonderful job for the Corporatists...the biggest backers of our Nobel winning Prez' were from GS...they should get a plaque from their local Chamber...for national service...a nice bronze plaque for all they've done for America--with the help of the dumb animals who vote for mainstream Democrats and Republicans, of course. Trillions for Goldman Sachs! Homelessness and Unemployment for the people who voted for you! Well done, Obama!
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Posted by: ChicagoWay on Oct 16, 2009 10:41 AM
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The nation's largest small business association, The National Federation of Independent Business, memberbership vote 80% plus republican. Small and mid-size business make the Chamber and big business look liberal in comparison :)
http://www.nfib.com/
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