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How My Dispute with Joe Scarborough Sheds Light on the Civil War Within the GOP
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Editor's note: Both videos of Max Blumenthal's appearances on MSNBC's Joe Scarborough's Morning Joe show appear at the bottom of this article.
Before I first appeared on Morning Joe on September 22, I was warned about Joe Scarborough's tendency to filibuster guests he does not agree with, and to do so in a belligerent manner. But to my surprise, the former Republican congressman proved a remarkably genial host, presiding over a civil but spirited discussion of my book, Republican Gomorrah and extremism in the GOP.
Perhaps Joe's civility was rooted in cluelessness; when I was announced on the set as "the YouTube Michael Moore," Scarborough excitedly asked a producer if I was "the ACORN guy," referring to James O'Keefe, the young right-wing activist whose hidden cameras prompted a congressional investigation into the Obama-linked community- organizing group. Nevertheless, by the end of my segment, Joe promised to bring me back on. "I want to debate you more on this," Scarborough insisted.
I returned on October 7, just days after Scarborough instigated a food fight with Rush Limbaugh, by criticizing his higher-rated competitor for celebrating Obama's failure to secure the 2016 Olympics for Chicago. Scarborough opened the segment by launching a scattershot of breathless accusations at me, including that I was being "intolerant" of evangelical Christians "concerned by the radicalism of the 1960s."
When I attempted to respond that figures like Rep. Trent Franks (R-AZ), who had labeled President Barack Obama "an enemy of humanity," were the truly intolerant ones, and that the right-wing opposition sought nothing less than the delegitimization of the president, Scarborough rattled off a flurry of examples -- each one without context -- of supposed Democratic extremism. Joe pointed twice to Rep. Jerry Nadler, who had called the disruptions of town hall-style healthcare forums by the far-right Tea Party movement "a fascist tactic."
"My point to you was that we can both pick out extreme rhetoric on both sides who are reckless and irresponsible on both sides" Scarborough declared. "We've gotta step back and try to figure out how to heal this country."
But were "both sides" equally culpable for the conflict currently polarizing the country? This narrative had been popular among many pundits during Obama's campaign for president and might have survived after his inauguration had Obama not gone to excessive lengths to generate bipartisan Republican sponsorship for healthcare reform while tens of thousands of right-wingers marched on the National Mall with signs comparing him to Hitler and Stalin; or if Senator Charles Grassley (R-IA), of the ranking Republican negotiating health care on the Finance Committee, had not warned that Obama might "pull the plug on grandma" if his healthcare plan passed, and urged his constituents to read Glenn Beck.
If I agreed with Scarborough's storyline celebrating an end to the culture war the right has intensified against Obama, then, as Rodney King might have said, we could have all just got along. Instead, when I refused to accept his version and debated it, the host grew exasperated and angry, shouting again, "You're being intolerant!"
Scarborough's reflexive response to the question of the right's responsibility for the trashing of Obama was to dilute and confuse the issue by blaming "the 1960s," the original focus of the right's culture war for decades. With the dog-whistle of "the 1960's," Joe instantly transformed into a 1994 re-enactor, recalling the crusade when he and a group of young conservatives backed Newt Gingrich's Contract for America, attempted to cut off AIDS research funding, seized the Congress, twice shut down the federal government, and impeached Bill Clinton in the name of the culture war. In touting his record as an authentic "small government conservative," Scarborough claimed credit for the federal budget surplus, prompting me to remind him that the surplus was created through Clinton's economic stewardship. The mere mention of Clinton seemed to incite Scarborough's rage even further.
As the interview turned into a heated debate because I insisted on answering his accusations, Scarborough muttered to a producer, "I'm done!" After remaining silent throughout the confrontation with a Stepford-like stare, Joe's co-host, Mika Brzezinski, terminated the segment. "We don't do Crossfire here," Scarborough muttered to me after the cameras went off. He was visibly upset and unable to make eye contact with me.
As I was hurried off the tense set, I wonder why, when challenged, did Scarborough retreat into an attempt to validate his own career in Congress? Perhaps he believes the hype of a few pundits who claim he could contend for the 2012 GOP presidential nomination by campaigning, in the words of Andy Ostrow, as "the guy to bring a different GOP tone to the next election." Or perhaps he is trying to balance constituencies, appealing to his old conservative base while trying to project as a healer blaming all sides for the vicious attacks on Obama.
But as Scarborough observes national politics from a hermetically-sealed studio inside 30 Rock, long removed from his old congressional district in Florida, the Republican Party had sailed past the farthest shores of the right. And as Joe conjures stereotypical scenes of "Real Americans" alienated by "the 1960s," grassroots conservative activists have waging a 60's-style guerrilla campaign astro-turfed by right-wing groups determined disrupt the public debate, demonize Obama and overthrow him.
I became a target of this campaign when I appeared at the University of California-Riverside on October 1 to discuss my book and join in a panel discussion about the Republican Party in the age of Obama. As soon as the panel began, a group of approximately twenty College Republicans leapt in front of the stage, deliberately blocking the view of audience members with signs labeling me a "Michael Moore Wannabe" and "Leftist Hack."
The demonstration might have been amusing had it stopped there.
Then a husky young man Ryan Sorba who seemed to be directing the College Republican theatrics began heckling my fellow panelists with racist and homophobic slurs. When Mark Takano, an openly gay former Democratic congressional candidate and local community college trustee, attempted to speak, Sorba blew kisses at him and shouted, "Autograph my dick!" Sorba echoed Glenn Beck's critique of Obama as "a guy who has a deep-seated hatred of white people" in heckling Jonathan Walton, an African-American professor of religion. "Racist! Racist!" Sorba screamed when Walton attempted to field questions from the audience.
When a university administrator summoned campus police to remove Sorba, he was dismissively told by Sgt. Seth Morrison that I was "not a legitimate speaker," though I was invited as part of a regular university speakers' program. And the disruption continued.
Sorba, I discovered, is not a disgruntled citizen, but a professional agitator, a paid operative of the Intercollegiate Studies Institute, a heavily funded, Delaware-based outfit that provides a support structure for conservative academics while grooming a cadre of student activists to, in the group's own words, "battle the radicals and PC types on campuses." Sorba has received his paycheck through a fellowship established by Rich DeVos, a far-right Republican billionaire who founded the Amway pyramid scheme and owns the Orlando Magic.
Besides founding dozens of Republican youth groups across the country, Sorba has devoted an exceptional amount of energy to his interest in homosexuals. With help from ISI's publishing arm, Sorba authored a voluminous tract called "The Born Gay Hoax," arguing that homosexuality is at once a curable disease and a bogus trend manufactured by academic leftists.
After my talk, two UC-Riverside students revealed to me that they had attended junior high school with Sorba. "He always had serious behavior issues," one of them remarked. "He's like a character from your book," said another. Thus the culture war against "the 1960s" lives on.
Back in New York, Scarborough was reeling from Limbaugh's counterattack. The day after I appeared on Morning Joe, Limbaugh mocked Scarborough as "a neutered, chickified moderate" desperate to "sell another couple of books to go with the 1,000 he already sold to Democrats." Scarborough, for his part, projected himself as the "real conservative" while accusing Limbaugh of having "put [his] testicles in a blind trust for George W. Bush for eight years."
Swinging wildly between calculated appeals to "healing" and defensive claims to ideological purity, Scarborough has become a living embodiment of the conflict consuming the Republican Party -- the "real conservative" blinded by the right. It was not surprising that my appearance on his show became heated because it shed light on his and many Republicans' dilemma -- "I'm done."
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Posted by: The Antichrist on Oct 14, 2009 1:00 AM
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Please look up the meaning of the word tolerant. It is possible to tolerate something without supporting it. For example, I don’t support welfare – corporate or otherwise. The fact that I pay my taxes, even the percentage that supports those programs, shows that I tolerate them.
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Posted by: notabilia on Oct 14, 2009 2:54 AM
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2. Wait, our man becomes both an Obama flack and sandwich board? On every show Max Blumenthal has been on, Demcoracy Now to Grit to this excrescence, he flogs his book like an Amway champ. Count the number of times over the month he has said, "In my book, Republican Gomorrah..." Enough with the stupid title - we get it.
3. Liberals who go on fascist shows are disregarding the principle of disassociation. Yes, Max got Joe to use a few phrases that the moron might have trouble defining, but "Morning Joe" gets legitimized by the pretense of having on a "critic." Why keep taking to someone who is so initially condescending and dismissive? Walk off the set, Max.
4. Mika Brezenski received one of the most expensive liberal arts educations in history, Williams College, and her studious cretinism is emblematic of the moral collapse of American elite higher education. Well, it was collapsed before as witnessed during the Nazi era, so let's call that collapse on-going.
5. Max's next book: "Democratic Babylon"? "Hoe I Fell for The Obama Con"?
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Posted by: kahuna_2bears on Oct 14, 2009 2:57 AM
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Starting in 1992 I could not hold my nose any more and vote for the Republican nominee because there is not that much difference between the Republicans and the Democrats.
The Democrats want to run this nation off the cliff at 90 MPH, and the Republicans want to run the nation off the cliff at 70 miles an hour. True conservatives believe the Government should stop spending money like drunken sailors and actually cut the budget the way families have to tighen our belts.
As far as I am concerned the two parties are two heads on the same snake.
As long as the Republicans keep nominating Democrat light nominees like Bob Dole. George W. Bush, John Mc Cain, etc the conservatives will eigher stay home or vote third party as I have since 1992. If the Republican party EVER wants to win again they have to do two things.
1. Grow a spine and be willing to fight for things that is right.
2. nominate REAL conservatives.
The Republican's had a teriffic chance to turn the partyaround in 1994 and BLEW IT!
I wish some conservative would form the Conservative party and let the Republican party die out as the Whig party did in the mid 1800s
Now about businesses. Businesses do NOT pay taxes They increase the cost of their products and we customers pay the taxes for them.
I will echo Ronald Reagan's quote "No poor person ever gave me a job"
This system where the top 5% pay 55% of all of the taxes that come into the Government coffers
I know many liberals do not like Ayn Rand but this country is almost to the point described in "Atlas Shrugged"
This nation is so far in debt with the National debt, the yearly deficit, the $40+ trillion of IOUs in Medicare, Social Security, the railroad retirement fund etc we may NEVER get out.
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Posted by: timenotonmyside on Oct 14, 2009 4:09 AM
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Mika's daddy is the uber rich foreign policy expert and former National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski.
Mika does not like Obama but LIKES Sarah Palin and is quoted as saying she criticized the way some journalists are infatuated with President Obama and his wife Michelle, stating "I still don’t think it’s right to be in love with him ... and to be acting like a little girl at a Beatles concert.” At the same time, she criticized members of the media elite with trying deliberately to "bring down" Sarah Palin: "Members of the network media elite, as well as members and people who worked for the New York Times when Sarah Palin first came on the scene, and this is what they knew about her: She was a woman, she was pro-life, and she had some very, very conservative views on other issues" She has continued her support for Palin even after her resignation saying Palin represented the views of "real Americans."
As for Joe,his CV reads like a ''I grew up and went to school in ALL the RED states, really''.
As a lawyer he's famous for representing Michael F. Griffin, the accused killer of abortion doctor David Gunn, in early to mid 1993.
Now that Florida has Alan Grayson, Scarborough can keep his RED ass on cable for all I care. He considers himself to be a ''Federalist'' - and even voted for the "Medicare Preservation act of 1995," which cut the projected growth of Medicare by $270 billion over ten years.
Then theres the ''SCARBOROUGH SCANDAL'' did he have anything to do with constituent services coordinator, Lori Klausutis' death?
As they say in the south
Awe - it's all good you know.
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Posted by: COinms on Oct 14, 2009 4:48 AM
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It's kind of like the Republicans used the Evangelicals as an attack dog and a workhorse, wooed them by sweet nothing promises to the voting booth -- and then wanted them to be quiet. It's too late for that, however, and the Religious right wants payback, and they are devouring the body politic of the Republican party.
It's a strange marriage, and the analogy of a shotgun wedding between them is apt, because the evangelical stronghold is in the south.
I hope I can move out of the south soon.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Oct 14, 2009 7:22 AM
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I like Scarborough. We must admit that - for a Conservative - he's fairly reasonable in his more lucid moments. He's is definitely not one of those extremists and kooks that has hijacked his party, that's for damned sure.
That being said, Max, let me make this observation: watching you clean his clock earlier this week on MSNBC was an absolute delight! Good for you, pal! Present them with simple logic. It works every time!
I'm done.
TERRORIST BLOWS UP MOON!
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
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Posted by: ETSpoon on Oct 14, 2009 7:29 AM
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If one objectively looks at the lasting accomplishments of "the Sixties" there is not much of a record.
Has the Pentagon been reined in and its budget trimmed? No.
Has peace broken out planet-wide? No.
Is marijuana legal? No.
Does the United States have a comprehensive health care system available and affordable to all? No.
About the only real accomplishments of the Sixties generation is the loosening of language standards on network TeeVee sitcoms and cop dramas; the Burning Man festival; "New Age" mumbo-jumbo and its attendant conservative Christian reaction; the rise of Reaganism which morphed into the current "teabagger" movement; the legitimation of an "outlaw biker" ethos; the deregulation of business and industry.
Recall, one of the most vile right wing talk show hosts, Michael Weiner "Savage" was in the Sixties a stereotypical "Sixties radical." So too former Republican US Senator Norm Coleman. And I think most of us have seen the pot smoking videos of Republican California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger.
As a Boomer I can truly say my generation ain't so great.
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Oct 14, 2009 7:49 AM
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The right likes to point out this "both sides" have done the yadda, yadda, yadda routine as though it justifies the atrocious mis-informed behavior. They neglect to mention that there really have been reasons that those on the left have been outraged by the actions of those on the right: Bush and his illegal invasions, intractable bullying behavior, Limbaugh for his distortions and outright lies, et. al!
The current crop of "Tea Party" disruptors many of whom appear to be eligible for Medicare don't have a clue that Medicare is a government program, the younger ones protesting don't appear to think it illogical that they should be paying $8,000.00 per year for insurance and still have a co-pay, duh? My issue with those on the right is that their "faux outrage" is due to ignorance. Whether because they have been listening to the lies on the right, have a misguided idea about many of the issues in the debates currently going on, or are just too lazy and ignorant so they follow the herd - wherever it leads!
The "religious people" on the other hand, tend to cherry-pick the biblical passages that they want to listen to, and while ignoring the real problems are all caught up in the "culture" that they disapprove of and therefore want to ban! These people don't even want to recognize that they are being used by the right-wing talking heads to support a Corporate Agenda that's picking all of our pockets!
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Posted by: Walt K on Oct 14, 2009 2:09 PM
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Also check out "Tip #2" on that page: "Drain Your Facebook.com networks," where young neo-cons are implored to "Compile a list of students who list themselves as “conservative,” “very conservative,” or “libertarian.” Make sure to include their name, address, email, school, and graduation year. Email your list to [ISI]."
Too bad the Stasi is defunct, they and ISI would have got along well.
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Unbelievably, that was it. The story was simply dropped. A young female employee of one of Florida's Congressmen had died unexpectedly in the Congressman's office. There were no witnesses to her death and the cause of death was not apparent. Klausutis' boss, Joe Scarborough had recently resigned from Congress prematurely and unexpectedly, amid rumors about his marital fidelity and soon after a divorce. He had also abruptly resigned as publisher of the Independent Florida Sun, claiming that resigning from Congress and as publisher was necessary to spend more time with his sons.
http://www.americanpolitics.com/20010808Klausutis.html
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Posted by: BlueInRed on Oct 15, 2009 3:15 PM
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Sophomoric.
But even more disgusting than he is the fake liberal (and friend of Ted's), that old plagiarist Mike Barnicle. Too many's the time I've heard him trash liberals and cheer on Joe's right-wing rants. Pathetic. Now that Joe regularly has on one of the most whiny idiots ever to haunt cable news--Maria Bartiromo--that's it for me. "I'm done."
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Please look up the meaning of the word tolerant. It is possible to tolerate something without supporting it. For example, I don’t support welfare – corporate or otherwise. The fact that I pay my taxes, even the percentage that supports those programs, shows that I tolerate them.
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Posted by: notabilia on Oct 14, 2009 2:54 AM
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2. Wait, our man becomes both an Obama flack and sandwich board? On every show Max Blumenthal has been on, Demcoracy Now to Grit to this excrescence, he flogs his book like an Amway champ. Count the number of times over the month he has said, "In my book, Republican Gomorrah..." Enough with the stupid title - we get it.
3. Liberals who go on fascist shows are disregarding the principle of disassociation. Yes, Max got Joe to use a few phrases that the moron might have trouble defining, but "Morning Joe" gets legitimized by the pretense of having on a "critic." Why keep taking to someone who is so initially condescending and dismissive? Walk off the set, Max.
4. Mika Brezenski received one of the most expensive liberal arts educations in history, Williams College, and her studious cretinism is emblematic of the moral collapse of American elite higher education. Well, it was collapsed before as witnessed during the Nazi era, so let's call that collapse on-going.
5. Max's next book: "Democratic Babylon"? "Hoe I Fell for The Obama Con"?
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Posted by: kahuna_2bears on Oct 14, 2009 2:57 AM
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Starting in 1992 I could not hold my nose any more and vote for the Republican nominee because there is not that much difference between the Republicans and the Democrats.
The Democrats want to run this nation off the cliff at 90 MPH, and the Republicans want to run the nation off the cliff at 70 miles an hour. True conservatives believe the Government should stop spending money like drunken sailors and actually cut the budget the way families have to tighen our belts.
As far as I am concerned the two parties are two heads on the same snake.
As long as the Republicans keep nominating Democrat light nominees like Bob Dole. George W. Bush, John Mc Cain, etc the conservatives will eigher stay home or vote third party as I have since 1992. If the Republican party EVER wants to win again they have to do two things.
1. Grow a spine and be willing to fight for things that is right.
2. nominate REAL conservatives.
The Republican's had a teriffic chance to turn the partyaround in 1994 and BLEW IT!
I wish some conservative would form the Conservative party and let the Republican party die out as the Whig party did in the mid 1800s
Now about businesses. Businesses do NOT pay taxes They increase the cost of their products and we customers pay the taxes for them.
I will echo Ronald Reagan's quote "No poor person ever gave me a job"
This system where the top 5% pay 55% of all of the taxes that come into the Government coffers
I know many liberals do not like Ayn Rand but this country is almost to the point described in "Atlas Shrugged"
This nation is so far in debt with the National debt, the yearly deficit, the $40+ trillion of IOUs in Medicare, Social Security, the railroad retirement fund etc we may NEVER get out.
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Posted by: timenotonmyside on Oct 14, 2009 4:09 AM
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Mika's daddy is the uber rich foreign policy expert and former National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski.
Mika does not like Obama but LIKES Sarah Palin and is quoted as saying she criticized the way some journalists are infatuated with President Obama and his wife Michelle, stating "I still don’t think it’s right to be in love with him ... and to be acting like a little girl at a Beatles concert.” At the same time, she criticized members of the media elite with trying deliberately to "bring down" Sarah Palin: "Members of the network media elite, as well as members and people who worked for the New York Times when Sarah Palin first came on the scene, and this is what they knew about her: She was a woman, she was pro-life, and she had some very, very conservative views on other issues" She has continued her support for Palin even after her resignation saying Palin represented the views of "real Americans."
As for Joe,his CV reads like a ''I grew up and went to school in ALL the RED states, really''.
As a lawyer he's famous for representing Michael F. Griffin, the accused killer of abortion doctor David Gunn, in early to mid 1993.
Now that Florida has Alan Grayson, Scarborough can keep his RED ass on cable for all I care. He considers himself to be a ''Federalist'' - and even voted for the "Medicare Preservation act of 1995," which cut the projected growth of Medicare by $270 billion over ten years.
Then theres the ''SCARBOROUGH SCANDAL'' did he have anything to do with constituent services coordinator, Lori Klausutis' death?
As they say in the south
Awe - it's all good you know.
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Posted by: COinms on Oct 14, 2009 4:48 AM
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It's kind of like the Republicans used the Evangelicals as an attack dog and a workhorse, wooed them by sweet nothing promises to the voting booth -- and then wanted them to be quiet. It's too late for that, however, and the Religious right wants payback, and they are devouring the body politic of the Republican party.
It's a strange marriage, and the analogy of a shotgun wedding between them is apt, because the evangelical stronghold is in the south.
I hope I can move out of the south soon.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Oct 14, 2009 7:22 AM
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I like Scarborough. We must admit that - for a Conservative - he's fairly reasonable in his more lucid moments. He's is definitely not one of those extremists and kooks that has hijacked his party, that's for damned sure.
That being said, Max, let me make this observation: watching you clean his clock earlier this week on MSNBC was an absolute delight! Good for you, pal! Present them with simple logic. It works every time!
I'm done.
TERRORIST BLOWS UP MOON!
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
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Posted by: ETSpoon on Oct 14, 2009 7:29 AM
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If one objectively looks at the lasting accomplishments of "the Sixties" there is not much of a record.
Has the Pentagon been reined in and its budget trimmed? No.
Has peace broken out planet-wide? No.
Is marijuana legal? No.
Does the United States have a comprehensive health care system available and affordable to all? No.
About the only real accomplishments of the Sixties generation is the loosening of language standards on network TeeVee sitcoms and cop dramas; the Burning Man festival; "New Age" mumbo-jumbo and its attendant conservative Christian reaction; the rise of Reaganism which morphed into the current "teabagger" movement; the legitimation of an "outlaw biker" ethos; the deregulation of business and industry.
Recall, one of the most vile right wing talk show hosts, Michael Weiner "Savage" was in the Sixties a stereotypical "Sixties radical." So too former Republican US Senator Norm Coleman. And I think most of us have seen the pot smoking videos of Republican California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger.
As a Boomer I can truly say my generation ain't so great.
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Oct 14, 2009 7:49 AM
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The right likes to point out this "both sides" have done the yadda, yadda, yadda routine as though it justifies the atrocious mis-informed behavior. They neglect to mention that there really have been reasons that those on the left have been outraged by the actions of those on the right: Bush and his illegal invasions, intractable bullying behavior, Limbaugh for his distortions and outright lies, et. al!
The current crop of "Tea Party" disruptors many of whom appear to be eligible for Medicare don't have a clue that Medicare is a government program, the younger ones protesting don't appear to think it illogical that they should be paying $8,000.00 per year for insurance and still have a co-pay, duh? My issue with those on the right is that their "faux outrage" is due to ignorance. Whether because they have been listening to the lies on the right, have a misguided idea about many of the issues in the debates currently going on, or are just too lazy and ignorant so they follow the herd - wherever it leads!
The "religious people" on the other hand, tend to cherry-pick the biblical passages that they want to listen to, and while ignoring the real problems are all caught up in the "culture" that they disapprove of and therefore want to ban! These people don't even want to recognize that they are being used by the right-wing talking heads to support a Corporate Agenda that's picking all of our pockets!
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Posted by: Chris Kaufmann on Oct 14, 2009 10:26 AM
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Posted by: Walt K on Oct 14, 2009 2:09 PM
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Also check out "Tip #2" on that page: "Drain Your Facebook.com networks," where young neo-cons are implored to "Compile a list of students who list themselves as “conservative,” “very conservative,” or “libertarian.” Make sure to include their name, address, email, school, and graduation year. Email your list to [ISI]."
Too bad the Stasi is defunct, they and ISI would have got along well.
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Oct 14, 2009 10:10 PM
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Posted by: realtruther on Oct 15, 2009 10:36 AM
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Unbelievably, that was it. The story was simply dropped. A young female employee of one of Florida's Congressmen had died unexpectedly in the Congressman's office. There were no witnesses to her death and the cause of death was not apparent. Klausutis' boss, Joe Scarborough had recently resigned from Congress prematurely and unexpectedly, amid rumors about his marital fidelity and soon after a divorce. He had also abruptly resigned as publisher of the Independent Florida Sun, claiming that resigning from Congress and as publisher was necessary to spend more time with his sons.
http://www.americanpolitics.com/20010808Klausutis.html
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Posted by: BlueInRed on Oct 15, 2009 3:15 PM
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Sophomoric.
But even more disgusting than he is the fake liberal (and friend of Ted's), that old plagiarist Mike Barnicle. Too many's the time I've heard him trash liberals and cheer on Joe's right-wing rants. Pathetic. Now that Joe regularly has on one of the most whiny idiots ever to haunt cable news--Maria Bartiromo--that's it for me. "I'm done."
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