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Meet the Senators in the Creepy Right-Wing Cult Trying to Defeat Health Care Reform

The Family has spent decades consolidating power within the GOP and may have come to dominate the party even among those who do not belong to the cult.
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In the heat of summer, a din of voices arose from the U.S. Senate in opposition to the health care reform legislation that was taking shape in both houses of Congress. Overlooked in media coverage of the health care brouhaha is the membership of many of the senators who most vociferously oppose the legislation in the right-wing religious cult known as The Family.

With the Senate Finance Committee's passage last Tuesday of its version of health care legislation, expect the debate to flare again as the bill moves to the Senate floor. The Family's point men -- "key men" in the cult's theological lexicon -- will likely try once again to defeat reform in the service of their Supply-Side Jesus.

You could chalk it up to nothing more than pure partisanship, this obstructionism on the part of these Republicans. Or you could say that the ideology-cum-theology of The Family, which has spent decades consolidating power within the GOP, has at last come to dominate the party even among those who do not belong to the cult.

While leaders of religious right we've come to know assert their claim to "a place at the table," The Family sets its table for only a select few. They are the nation's powerful: senators, congressmen, business executives and the strong-armed leaders of Third World countries. Together, in secret, they worship a Jesus unrecognizable to most practicing Christians. (In their secret theology, the leadership model of Adolf Hitler is one of which Jesus would approve.)

The people of South Carolina, Oklahoma, Iowa, Nevada, Kansas and Wyoming find themselves represented by at least one U.S. senator who belongs to The Family. If he subscribes to the theology of the cult of which he is a member, the senator believes himself to be anointed to his lofty position by Jesus himself -- a Jesus who tells him that his constituents' health care dilemmas are of no consequence to God; they are just the natural order of things as deemed by him.

The Jesus worshiped by The Family is neither Jesus the peacemaker, the champion of the poor, nor even Christ the personal savior. He is Jesus the power broker, who works his will through well-situated men committed to free enterprise of a most unregulated sort.

Things are as they are in the world because that's the way God wants them. The poor are poor because God ordained it to be so -- a condition that they may have earned through disobedience to the creator. The powerful are powerful -- be they murderous dictators or corporate polluters -- because they are God's chosen. Any regulated economic system, according to this theology, is less than godly, because regulation forestalls the exercise of free will.

Sens. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, and Mike Enzi, R-Wyo., Family members who did their bit to slow down reform in their roles on the negotiating team for the Senate Finance Committee health care reform bill, remain unmoved by the 865 preventable deaths suffered each week by people without access to proper health care.

The God of The Family's teaching would never hold Grassley or Enzi -- or any other official -- to account for those deaths, because Grassley and Enzi are key men in God's plan.

Even Grassley's dishonest campaign to convince his constituents that President Barack Obama is looking to use health care reform to "pull the plug on Grandma" -- God is just fine with that, because Grassley is doing exactly what God wants him to do, preserving the social order.

Not His Brother's Keeper

It's that theology that led The Family, over the years, to aid and abet such dictators as Haiti's Francois "Papa Doc" Duvalier, Indonesia's Haji Muhammad Suharto, Chile's Augusto Pinochet, and the brutal Angolan rebel Jonas Savimbi, who among them killed more than a million people.

The Family seems to be fond of "revolutions" of a particular type: Those that overthrow socialists or any kind of leftists, even those, like Chile's Salvador Allende, who were democratically elected. As Jeff Sharlet explains in his masterful book, The Family, "God chooses his key men according to His concerns, not ours ..."

Other Family members, identified as such by Sharlet, loom large in the health care debate. Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., said right-wingers could "break" Obama by defeating health care reform. Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., told NBC's David Gregory that members of Congress had "earned" the threats of violence they were receiving at town-hall meetings focused on the health care bill.


Adele M. Stan AlterNet's Washington bureau chief.
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Don't count on any help for Americans from these Senators, they are in it for
Posted by: avidAmerican on Oct 20, 2009 2:23 AM   
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the money. I watch the Senate daily and picked out the named Senators here, plus about 6 more who do not have the interest of Americans at heart. They are for Big Business and Big Profits for themselves. They have fought every Bill that would help their constituents, as well as all Americans. Watch the Senate on c-span2 for yourselves, you'll see what I mean. The Rs have no plans to vote for the Health Care Bill no matter what is in it. So the Dems need to stop allowing the Rs to water it down. They just want to destroy the best parts of the Bill and then they will vote "NO" on it. They do that regularly on most Bills. They don't want to legislate, they want to whine about the Bills, and they are now employing "taxpayer money" on everything. They think we are so stupid that we don't know that Taxpayer Money has paid for every Bill since Congress began, "taxpayer money" by the trillions goes to foreign countries, government subsidies, etc. Hear the Rs mentioning any of that? They just don't want our "taxpayer money" to go for anything that would help us, the taxpayers. It's fine with them to spend it on anything but Americans. Come on, Dems, take a vote on Public Option, and see who has the guts to vote for it. We can vote out anyone who doesn't vote for the Public Option.

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Thge truth
Posted by: C. Rich on Oct 20, 2009 3:30 AM   
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Is it is this generational debt that will kill us all:

http://americaspeaksink.com/2009/10/baby-boomers-the-virus/

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Pimps and Whores
Posted by: weightman on Oct 20, 2009 3:44 AM   
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The guidance from the pimps at C Street hasn't been confined to Republicans. Bart Stupak, Mike Doyle, Mike McIntyre, Mark Pryor and the Clintons have all been beneficiaries of the blessings proffered by the C Street clergy.
And the C Street congregation is not limited to politicians. Their influence is deeply entrenched into the corporate and financial sectors. Party politics are mere distractions. Their interests are Power and Money and turning out whores to spread their particular variation of social disease wherever Power and Money can be found.

Besides, the Democrats don't need the Republicans to pass healthcare "reform." The Democrats have never needed the Republicans for anything more than theatrics, distractions to divert attention away from the fact Democrats have sold the country out to special interests.

Pimps and whores all. Dressed up like Christians, riding off into the C Street sunset in the same Cadillac with a trunk full of our money. Sticking the "public" with the only "options" they are capable of giving up: Crabs, the Clap, or Aids.

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False Prophets
Posted by: femtobeam on Oct 20, 2009 3:49 AM   
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The Bible also warns of False Prophets and these paid lobbyists who double as elected officials are a mob. They are paid to deny health care to only certain parts of our society, namely those who cannot afford the high costs in the US, which are not anywhere near as high in other countries. Do they really think that all of their children and grandchildren will be as prosperous as they are? The Family will put their own families in the same miserable condition they are putting the rest of us in, just for their own short term power trip of greed and corruption.

As they claim to be on the moral high ground, telling people that God will provide for their health care, and their circumstances are what God wanted them to have, they take no responsibility for what they are doing as lawmakers, taking bribes from the large companies causing hellish suffering with denials of claims and bankruptcies as well as no care at all. Every bit of it is due to runaway profits in the health care industry.

Reading his words, it is not what Jesus would have thought or spoken. Doubtful, that these men would have been accepted to follow Jesus. More likely, they would have had their tables overturned in anger by him, as money changers and called what they are...hypocrites.

As for their drug dealing, mind controlling, Rev. Moon agenda for abstinence and embedded devices, they are probably signed in to the secret virtual environments provided by their RW network provider, all of it paid for by the NIH under Rev. Moon, who has the subcontract for the abstinence programs. Moon, who claims to be a religious man, was a 3 time jailed rapist and financial criminal. Their abstinence program gives them access to the minds of women and girls through embedded devices, and as Israel Zerhouni said during the hearings, "We want to find out what makes women untoward".

This is the future of their health care program...mind control practice on people in anonymity, with no oversight.

Where are the "Ghost Busters" when you need them? The FBI is going to need a larger budget and some new equipment to deal with the fallout of this "Family". Perhaps they are guaranteed a cubicle in the nearest D.U.M.B. If not, they will probably go the same way as the other scam artist who founded them, Tom DeLay and spend some time in those cubicles. In the meantime, they parrot the Moon Washington Times and destroy civilized, democratic, compassionate, countrymen and women.

These are the same people who decimated the CIA, the Scientists, the Air Force and Education with their fake, religious, underground movement to subvert real Christians and the military in the US in favor of their profits, establishing control for the New World Order in a torturous way which leaves everybody behind.

The agenda is to put poor people in a servant position under giant NGO's and private prisons. History will look upon these men as traitors, not statesmen. Take away their jobs and health care in the next election and tell them to go ask their neighbors for help.

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Religion is the problem
Posted by: leland61 on Oct 20, 2009 4:12 AM   
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Down through history the Christian Church has always sided with the wealthy against the poor. Movements and individuals who have opposed the Christian Church's favoring of the wealthy have been silenced and in many cases murdered. Those few voices from the church who have risen in defense and advocacy for the poor and marginalized have always been at the margins.

Look at the Christian Churches during the rise of Hitler. They kissed his ass and loved him for the monster he was. Had the Christian Church and its leaders firmly opposed the doctrines of fascism, WW II would never have erupted because Hitler never would have gained power.

The Family really reflects some of the most profoundly anti-human aspects of western monotheisms - Judaism - Christianity and Islam. A trinity of candidates for destruction in the name of the human family and the Earth itself. The sooner they are destroyed the better off the Earth and her children will be.

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Unbelieveable!
Posted by: jackpagan on Oct 20, 2009 5:25 AM   
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So this is how our elected leaders look out for out best interests!

www.jackpagan.blogspot.com

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GOD BLESS THE RICH
Posted by: CLARENCE SWINNEY on Oct 20, 2009 5:48 AM   
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The most used word by Jesus Christ was POOR.
He would abhor the following FACTUAL representation of ENRICH THE RICH SHAFT THE POOR

WEALTH + INCOME

“God Bless The Rich”
Please raise your glass of champagne to honor Reagan and Bush II

WEALTH

From 1980 to 2007

Top 1% got 35.4% of Total Wealth Increase
Bottom 60% got 11.2%

Nonhome Wealth

Top 1% got 42.5%of total increase
Bottom 60% got 5.6%

Reagan Tax Cuts—60% for richest—
1980—top 1% got 20.5% of Wealth
1989---top 1% got 35.7% or Wealth for a 78.5% Increase

Clinton tax on richest and tax cuts for lowest income helped get a small change in direction
1992—top 1% got 37.2% of Wealth
2001---top 1% got 33.4% of Wealth

INCOME

From 1980 to 2007
Top 1% got 44.1% of Total Income Increase
Bottom 60% got 12.4%

2001-2008—1% got 491 B in Tax Breaks—annual income exceeded 1.5 million
and put 1% Income at highest percent of Total Income since 1928

Bottom 99% got $3.74 in debt for each $1 in tax cuts 2001-2006

In that time, equal protection and housing for the elderly was slashed 20% adjusted for inflation. Community Development Block Grant cut 32% and lack of health insurance was epidemic.

400 taxpayers with highest income doubled income 2002-2006. Hear Wall Street roar as it crashed in 2007. Party time was over.

The richest 400 reported an average $214 million each in 2005 on federal income tax returns in 2005—up from $104 million in 2002. Doubled.

The 400 richest taxpayers paid only 18% of their income in federal individual income taxes in 2005—down from 30% in 1995—a 66% Tax Cut. Thanks Ron. Thanks George.

Many of the provisions of the 2001 and 2003 Tax Cuts are scheduled to expire at the end of 2010.

IF OBAMA AND DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS MAKE PERMANENT --THEY ARE GONE GONE GONE-FIRED

If made permanent, the top 1% of Households would receive nearly $1200 Billion in Tax Cuts from 2009 through 2018 per cbpp.org

Obama campaigned on eliminating them. Please note this promise.

The poorest 20% would get a magnanimous tax cut of $45 per year. Whoopee!

NET WORTH

2007-top 20% had 85%--bottom 80% had 15%

2007-nonhome worth—20% had 93% and 80% had 7%

2007-Income-20% got 60% and 80% got 40%

Oh! Such a Fair and Balanced Nation! So Christ-Like. Makes me so proud.

cswinney2@triad.rr.com
political historian since 1991 on Reagan-Clinton-Bush II administrations

Above from Holly Sklar co-author of “Raise The Floor: Wages and Policies That Work For All Of Us” hsklar@aol.com --Part from writings of Edward.Wolff@nyu.edu who is considered top authority on Wealth in America

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A VERY BLACK CHAPTER IN AMERICAN HISTORY
Posted by: drricklippin on Oct 20, 2009 6:04 AM   
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These politicians are sealing their fate in US history as being venal,evil and immoral.

Any nation which professes to call itself moral and civil must provide at least BASIC health care to ALL its citizens

Those who are blocking that fundamental moral obligation need to be exposed as you have and remembered by name.

THANKS!

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa

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dubious Christians
Posted by: Roger64 on Oct 20, 2009 6:31 AM   
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Jesus said that "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and all your mind and love your neighbor as yourself." This is the summary of the Law read in many Christian Churches every Sunday.

We are presently in a situation in which people who boast most loudly about loving the Lord are doing the poorest job of loving their neighbors. I think it pretty much defines phony.

My personal belief, based on the sheep and goats test from the Gospel of Mark, is that a person cannot be a Republican--or be opposed to serious health care reform--and a Christian.

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liam
Posted by: liam99 on Oct 20, 2009 6:35 AM   
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This "the family" seems to be the perfect example of the Anti-Christ. As for a revolution, imhofe and company may find out that it won't go they way they expect.

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Similarity?
Posted by: Lilly on Oct 20, 2009 6:48 AM   
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The attitude of The Family, that political power and money and the love of Jesus Christ are all fused, somehow reminds me of an African-American preacher who used to be on television on Washington DC channels about 25 years ago (although I seem to recall that he was broadcasting from New York, not sure). I don't know his name. He regularly preached that the only worthwhile evidence of God's approval and favor was wealth and that "green" was the color that would validate "black" in the eyes of society. After one of his rip-roaring sermons, the entire congregation would join hands and chant their prayer, which involved repeating over and over the phrase "Send Me Money! Send Me Money!". Congregants would testify along the lines that they had won the lottery or in some other way had come into cash.

Our Puritan forefathers believed in the worldly success of the Elect, but, some things are ridiculous.

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The followers of Jesus
Posted by: littlepitcher on Oct 20, 2009 6:49 AM   
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City folk have not been privileged to walk where horses have been ridden. On those natural trails, you will find birds, pecking into horse turds, looking for undigested seeds.

The Family follows Jesus in exactly the same way. They don't walk the walk or bear the burdens, they just flew in like bats out of Hell, and picked around in the horse manure until they found a few corrupt seeds of theology they could use.

Faith in Jesus--plus the nothing that poor folks already have. Predestination to oppression, and oppressors who are "blessed by God" to pick our pockets, and then forgiven seventy times seven for the theft.

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Maddow
Posted by: Lilly on Oct 20, 2009 6:58 AM   
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This discussion would be remiss if it failed to celebrate Rachel Maddow's courageous campaign to publish the attitudes and acts of The Family. The rest of the American media should be ashamed that the only journalist with balls is a girl.

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You say, "I believe." ? Get out of secular politics! (part 1)
Posted by: vasumurti on Oct 20, 2009 7:21 AM   
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In 1787 when the framers excluded all mention of God from the Constitution, they were widely denounced as immoral and the document was denounced as godless, which is precisely what it is. Opponents of the Constitution challenged ratifying conventions in nearly every state, calling attention to Article VI, Section 3: “No religious test shall be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.”

An anti-federalist in North Carolina wrote: “The exclusion of religious tests is by many thought dangerous and impolitic. Pagans, Deists and Mohammedans might obtain office among us.” Amos Singletary of Massachussetts, one of the most outspoken critics of the Constitution, said that he “hoped to see Christians (in power), yet by the Constitution, a papist or an infidel was as eligible as they.”

Luther Martin, a Maryland delegate to the Constitutional Convention of 1787 wrote that “there were some members so unfashionable as to think that a belief in the existence of a Deity, and of a state of future rewards and punishments would be some security for the good conduct of our rulers, and that in a Christian country, it would be at least decent to hold out some distinction between the professors of Christianity and downright infidelity or paganism.” Martin’s report shows that a “Christian nation” faction had its say during the convention, and that its views were consciously rejected.

The United States Constitution is a completely secular political document. It begins “We the people,” and contains no mention of “God,” “Jesus,” or “Christianity.” Its only references to religion are exclusionary, such as the “no religious test” clause (Article VI), and “Congress shall make no laws respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” (First Amendment)

The presidential oath of office, the only oath detailed in the Constitution, does not contain the phrase “so help me God” or any requirement to swear on a Bible (Article II, Section 1). The words “under God” did not appear in the Pledge of Allegiance until 1954, when Congress, under McCarthyism, inserted them.

Similarly, “In God we Trust” was absent from paper currency before 1956, though it did appear on some coins beginning in 1864. The original U.S. motto, written by John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson, is E Pluribus Unum (“Of Many, One”) celebrating plurality and diversity.

In 1797, America made a treaty with Tripoli, declaring that “the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.” This reassurance to Islam was written under Washington’s presidency and approved by the Senate under John Adams.

We are not governed by the Declaration of Independence. Its purpose was to “dissolve the political bonds,” not to set up a religious nation. Its authority was based upon the idea that “governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,” which is contrary to the biblical concept of rule by divine authority. The Declaration deals with laws, taxation, representation, war, immigration, etc., and doesn’t discuss religion at all. The references to “Nature’s God,” “Creator,” and “Divine Providence” in the Declaration do not endorse Christianity. Its author, Thomas Jefferson, was a Deist, opposed to Christianity and the supernatural.

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You say, "I believe." ? Get out of secular politics! (part 2)
Posted by: vasumurti on Oct 20, 2009 7:22 AM   
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“Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern, which have come under my observation, none appear to me so pure as that of Jesus,” wrote Thomas Jefferson. However, Jefferson admitted, “In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man and that other parts are the fabric of very inferior minds...” It was Thomas Jefferson who established the separation of church and state. Jefferson was deeply suspicious of religion and of clergy wielding political power.

Jefferson helped create the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom in 1786, incurring the wrath of Christians by his fervent defense of toleration of atheists: “The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts as are only injurious to others. But it does no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.” Jefferson advocated a “wall of separation” between church and state not to protect the church from government intrusion, but to preserve the freedom of the people:

“I consider the doctrines of Jesus as delivered by himself to contain the outlines of the sublimest morality that has ever been taught;” he observed, “but I hold in the most profound detestation and execration the corruptions of it which have been invested by priestcraft and established by kingcraft, constituting a conspiracy of church and state against the civil and religious liberties of mankind.”

Jefferson and the founding fathers were products of the Age of Enlightenment. Their world view was based upon Deism, secularism, and rationalism.

“The priests of the different religious sects dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight,” wrote Jefferson. “The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his Father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter...we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away all this...”

As late as 1820, Jefferson was convinced everyone in the United States would die a Unitarian. Jefferson, Madison and Paine’s writings indicate that America was never intended to be a Christian theocracy. “I have sworn upon the altar of God,” wrote Jefferson, “eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.”

In his 1802 letter to the Danbury Baptists, Jefferson wrote: “Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.”

Similarly, in an 1824 letter to John Cartwright, Jefferson expressed anger at judges who had based rulings on their belief that Christianity is part of the common law. Cartwright had written a book critical of these judges, and Jefferson was glad to see it. Observed Jefferson, “The proof of the contrary, which you have produced, is controvertible; to wit, that the common law existed while the Anglo-Saxons were yet pagans, at a time when they had never yet heard the name of Christ pronounced, or knew that such a character had ever existed.” Jefferson challenged “the best-read lawyer to produce another script of authority for this judicial forgery” and concluded, “What a conspiracy this, between Church and State!”

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You say, "I believe." ? Get out of secular politics! (part 3)
Posted by: vasumurti on Oct 20, 2009 7:23 AM   
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As president, Jefferson put his “wall of separation” theory into practice. He refused to issue proclamations calling for days of prayer and fasting, insisting that they violate the First Amendment. As early as 1779, Jefferson proposed a bill before the Virginia legislature that would have established a series of elementary schools to teach the basics—reading, writing, and arithmetic. Jefferson even suggested that “no religious reading, instruction, or exercise shall be prescribed or practiced, inconsistent with the tenets of any religious sect or denomination.” Jefferson did not regard public schools as the proper agent to form children’s religious views.

As president, James Madison also put his separationist philosophy into action. He vetoed two bills he believed would violate church-state separation. The first was an act incorporating the Episcopal Church in the District of Columbia that gave the church the authority to care for the poor. The second was a proposed land grant to a Baptist church in Mississippi. Had Madison, the father of the Constitution, believed that all the First Amendment was intended to do was bar setting up a state church, he would have approved these bills. Instead, he vetoed both, and in his veto messages to Congress explicitly stated that he was rejecting the bills because they violated the First Amendment.

Later in his life, James Madison came out against state-paid chaplains, writing, “The establishment of the chaplainship to Congress is a palpable violation of equal rights, as well as of Constitutional principles.” He also concluded that his calling for days of prayer and fasting during his presidency had been unconstitutional.

In an 1819 letter to Robert Walsh, Madison wrote, “the number, the industry and the morality of the priesthood, and the devotion of the people have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the church from the state.” In an undated essay called the “Detached Memoranda,” written in the early 1800s, Madison wrote, “Strongly guarded...is the separation between Religion and Government in the Constitution of the United States.”
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In 1833 Madison responded to a letter sent to him by Jasper Adams. Adams had written a pamphlet titled “The Relations of Christianity to Civil Government in the United States,” which tried to prove that the United States was founded as a Christian nation. Madison wrote back: “In the papal system, government and religion are in a manner consolidated, and that is found to be the worst of government.”

Madison, like Jefferson, was confident that separation of church and state would protect both the institutions of government and religion. Late in his life, Madison wrote to a Lutheran minister about this, declaring, “A due distinction...between what is due to Caesar and what is due to God, best promotes the discharge of both obligations...A mutual independence is found most friendly to practical religion, to social harmony, and to political prosperity.”

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The most frightening part . . .
Posted by: fbear0143 on Oct 20, 2009 7:42 AM   
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is that ordinary people, among them so many who NEED health care reform, continue to help re-elect these creeps. How twisted is that?

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Good synopsis weak analysis
Posted by: wbblack on Oct 20, 2009 7:43 AM   
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This piece is a good synopsis of Jeff Sharlet's book, which I've read and recommend reading it for yourself. It's a history of Christian fundamentalism as well as a expose on The Family, a truly frightening group. But her comparison of Obama to FDR is just wrong. Obama is a slick moderate who is skilled at using "progressive" rhetoric. He's pulling the wool over people's eyes. Obama and his handlers are more like the The Family than different. Obama is FDR for the financial industry not the working class. This writer rarely brings anything worthwhile to the table other than information that others have already reported usually with a more thoughtful analysis.

A final comment, since when did Lenin become a great villain in history. I thought liberals held up Stalin and Mao for that honor. Czar Nicholas II and the other Czars were the villains, and I am glad the Lenin, Stalin and the Russian working class got rid of them. What happened in the USSR over a period of time is another matter that is way to complicated to go into in a post. But the big reason that Saint FDR was forced to implement the New Deal was because he and other smart members of the ruling class knew that if they didn't they could be looking at a revolution of US workers like in Russia. Stalin and the workers of the USSR deserve as much and maybe more thanks than FDR for the New Deal. If there was a vibrant communist or another kind of truly revolutionary movement capturing the hearts and imaginations of common folks around the world today, our "leaders may have had a remarkably different response to the so called economic crisis, which is really capitalism working like it's supposed to.

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THE CURE FOR "THE FAMILY" IS THE I.R.S.
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Oct 20, 2009 7:54 AM   
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They use religion just for the tax breaks on the huge houses they own. They belive in no one but themselves and their own selfish motives. God/Jesus is nothing more that their rationale for everything. They quote Marx, Engels, Hitler and Mao frequently, not Jesus. They use the Bible as a tool and a front for the operation. The 'Jesus+zero' thing is more nothing. They serve no purpose except to gain power and they seem to be suceeding. They are opposed to anything that might help another human beingg. As for hard times in a person's life well, "That's what God wants". Their reasoning is almost child like, but far from innocent. When I read the book, I realized that there was no line of logic to their actions. They don't believe anyone should be helped, ever. They wouldn't give a piece of bread to a dying man. Their belief is in being mean and selfish. Religion doesn't matter to them no matter what they say. The money keeps on rolling in because they enjoy tax exempt status and don't have to pay out. So to add insult to injury they are supported by us, the taxpayers. What they claim to believe means nothing, this is about money and power. They have both. It's time for a serious audit. That's the only way they can be touched. ANNA

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Since this whole matter
Posted by: Archie1954 on Oct 20, 2009 8:40 AM   
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is tied to a form of religious ideology I feel I can state without compunction that the Republican Party serves Satan. There is no other explanation for Republicans voting to prevent victims of gang rape from having their day in court or to quash healthcare for millions of Americans or for so many other deleterious goals.

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Sallyport
Posted by: sallyport on Oct 20, 2009 8:55 AM   
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Isn't it wonderful that these incorrigible greedheads feel they must sanitize their avarice with a theology. It almost looks as if they are consumed with unacknowledged guilt feelings, so must have their greed sanctified. While they are pathetic, their power must be recognized & dealt with by the masses they so despise. We must remain informed & spread the word to unmask these creeps.

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The Family - A Sick Perversion of Religion
Posted by: US Citizen on Oct 20, 2009 9:21 AM   
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What a pathetic sick perversion of religion the members of "The Family" adhere to. Doesn't anyone realize that this people are too insane to hold public office in the United States? No wonder the United States is in such pathetic shape after the George W. Bush era. There was a strong sense that George W. Bush believed in this sick religious demented cult stuff, and it still is perverting the power structure of the Unted States.

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"Losing My Religion" by William Lobdell
Posted by: rosarugosa on Oct 20, 2009 9:28 AM   
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Published in 2009 by a journalist who literally lost his religion while writing about it! Praise both from Christopher Hitchens of "God is Not Great" fame and Rev John Huffman, chairman of the board of Christianity Today! Definitely worth the read for believers and non believers, the nons will like it better :>D

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rbrooks
Posted by: rbrooks on Oct 20, 2009 10:14 AM   
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Well, I guess we can be glad Hillary is no longer in the Senate.

On the other hand....

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080331/ehrenreich

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Just Wondering...
Posted by: popeurbanxxiii on Oct 20, 2009 10:11 AM   
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...how "The Family" interprets Matthew 7:15? Seems Jesus just might have had people of similar ilk in mind with this verse.

Had he known them, would Dante Alighieri have had to invent a deeper circle of Hell for these creeps?

For far too long has religion been used in the furthering of evil.

"If'n all y'all's been waitin' on that there AntiChrist, well I reckon we done met 'em." - Pope Bubba I

Wake up sheeple! The wolves are among us!

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Corruption is bliss
Posted by: jtweezo on Oct 20, 2009 10:18 AM   
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Wow, seems someone has them all bought and paid for. Its the American way I guess!

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This isn't new.
Posted by: pastortom52 on Oct 20, 2009 10:26 AM   
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Many people don't know it but George H. W. Bush's father, Prescott Bush, thought highly of Hitler and Nazism. He and some other wealthy businessmen were using their wealth to push for a pro-German revolution to overthrow the government and remove FDR from the Presidency. When it was discovered what he was doing, FDR made a deal with him and his compatriots in the plot to overthrow the government that they wouldn't be prosecuted if they quietly dropped their plans. Interesting history!

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Authoratarian, conservative, neo-Calvanistic nut-jobs are a disgrace to the People of the United...
Posted by: zigy on Oct 20, 2009 12:24 PM   
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States. These hypocritical morons should be working in WallMart, not "serving" the citizens of a (erstwhile) republic and democracy. These dim-wits couldn't distinquish their ass from their elbow, and they have been given the responsibilty of crafting legislation! It's no wonder this country has gone to hell in a handbasket with these idiots in the Federal legislature....

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Media Didn't Miss It
Posted by: barkway on Oct 20, 2009 1:31 PM   
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You must not watch Rachel Maddow's show on MSNBC. She did huge, long expose on The Family.

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That's different
Posted by: njguy73 on Oct 20, 2009 3:42 PM   
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[sarcasm] Hillary's a woman, so whatever she does is for our own good. [/sarcasm]

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The Return Of White Power
Posted by: melpol on Oct 20, 2009 4:35 PM   
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A small burning ember in a wood pile takes a strong wind to create a large blaze. The wealthy if in danger of having their belongings taken away can create that strong wind. It will set in motion frustrated millions who want white power to enslave the world.

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Let me get this straight
Posted by: dogwhisperer on Oct 20, 2009 4:58 PM   
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If everything is the way it is because God wants it to be that way, then there really IS no "free will" and so besides the fact that that does away with individual responsibility, it also does away with the kind of power these guys assume.... because no matter what they do or don't do, God just gets His way -- right? So "The Family" is irrelevant by its own definition. Or have I missed something?

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The Republicans
Posted by: jimmyaj on Oct 20, 2009 9:34 PM   
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are playing with fire here. And it's burning hot and fierce and is getting hotter.

The American public won't take this crap much longer, and it could be a metter of days. When the real revolution comes and those turds are herded out of the Capital up to an executioner's hill outside the main building, these clowns will be the first to feel their necks on the chopping block.

They had best wise-up and fix things quick, like RIGHT NOW, or, "be the first one on the block". Time is running out and the fecal matter may hit the proverbial fan any day now.

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I know this isn't possible but...
Posted by: theblackgeorgecarlin on Oct 21, 2009 4:21 PM   
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I would really appreciate it if the FBI or someone, anyone, tries to dig up dirt on the Family. You think that whoremongering and supporting dictators are all that they do? An organization like this definitely has some big skeletons in the closet, and I would like to know every detail. Seriously, groups like the Family pose a serious threat to what is left of our democracy. I mean, their name even sounds sinister, like a biker gang or Bond villain organization.

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Groups like this cannot stand in a free and open society...
Posted by: djnoll on Oct 21, 2009 8:32 PM   
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so it is up to those of us who understand who they are and what they believe to stand up to them. It is time that these politicians were removed from office and quickly. This group is only strong because it acts in secret and that is wrong in a free society. Our Forefathers believed in a strong, open society and would have cringed at this kind of Christianity. It is time that this group was shown up for what they are - not Christians, but rather robberbarons with delusions of grandeur leading politically ambitious people to do their bidding. Our government is not for sale - not until you are willing to buy every single American for the same price as you are buying our elected officials. We will have our government of, by, and for the people and this group cannot stop us.

I am in Las Vegas tonight, and will be in Flagstaff tomorrow, all things being equal. I will an uploading videos from Boise, Las Vegas, and Salt Lake City as I type this, and they should be available by tomorrow morning. I have discussed the Wars, LGBT Marriage and DOMA, and joblessness/homelessness/new homesteading so far. I hope that they will offer you food for thought and some suggestions for our leaders.

I will post the links on Facebook, Twitter, and my homepage in the morning, so look for them there under Devon Noll, DJNoll, and at Let Freedom Ring.Community

America, and posters here at Alternet, groups like the Family flourish in a society where there is no actively engaged, educated citizenry to stop them. As I move forward on this trip, I hope that you will decide to show these people what it is you are doing to expose them and the falsehoods that they embrace. Good Night, America!

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What the Family
Posted by: osd on Oct 21, 2009 10:49 PM   
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is? Sounds like the Rockefeller/Cheney connection. The two of them are the almighty dollar in $igns. Same controllers just tightening there hold over America and the world.

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Thousands of bankruptcies due to health crisis
Posted by: Flick on Oct 24, 2009 2:21 PM   
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Forgive this Canadian from interjecting. The US is the wealthiest nation in the world and yet unless you are upper crust you could be one health tragedy away from being bankrupted? What kind of people are derailing the drive to provide universal healthcare to all of your citizens? As an outsider observer listening to some of the chatter it seems to me that it's mostly the wealthy Chickenhawk card-carrying Republicans. I'm glad for your children's sake that the majority are fed up with this crap and will prevail on this one. The GOP is done- stick a fork in it for the next couple of decades.

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Don't count on any help for Americans from these Senators, they are in it for
Posted by: avidAmerican on Oct 20, 2009 2:23 AM   
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the money. I watch the Senate daily and picked out the named Senators here, plus about 6 more who do not have the interest of Americans at heart. They are for Big Business and Big Profits for themselves. They have fought every Bill that would help their constituents, as well as all Americans. Watch the Senate on c-span2 for yourselves, you'll see what I mean. The Rs have no plans to vote for the Health Care Bill no matter what is in it. So the Dems need to stop allowing the Rs to water it down. They just want to destroy the best parts of the Bill and then they will vote "NO" on it. They do that regularly on most Bills. They don't want to legislate, they want to whine about the Bills, and they are now employing "taxpayer money" on everything. They think we are so stupid that we don't know that Taxpayer Money has paid for every Bill since Congress began, "taxpayer money" by the trillions goes to foreign countries, government subsidies, etc. Hear the Rs mentioning any of that? They just don't want our "taxpayer money" to go for anything that would help us, the taxpayers. It's fine with them to spend it on anything but Americans. Come on, Dems, take a vote on Public Option, and see who has the guts to vote for it. We can vote out anyone who doesn't vote for the Public Option.

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Thge truth
Posted by: C. Rich on Oct 20, 2009 3:30 AM   
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Is it is this generational debt that will kill us all:

http://americaspeaksink.com/2009/10/baby-boomers-the-virus/

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Pimps and Whores
Posted by: weightman on Oct 20, 2009 3:44 AM   
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The guidance from the pimps at C Street hasn't been confined to Republicans. Bart Stupak, Mike Doyle, Mike McIntyre, Mark Pryor and the Clintons have all been beneficiaries of the blessings proffered by the C Street clergy.
And the C Street congregation is not limited to politicians. Their influence is deeply entrenched into the corporate and financial sectors. Party politics are mere distractions. Their interests are Power and Money and turning out whores to spread their particular variation of social disease wherever Power and Money can be found.

Besides, the Democrats don't need the Republicans to pass healthcare "reform." The Democrats have never needed the Republicans for anything more than theatrics, distractions to divert attention away from the fact Democrats have sold the country out to special interests.

Pimps and whores all. Dressed up like Christians, riding off into the C Street sunset in the same Cadillac with a trunk full of our money. Sticking the "public" with the only "options" they are capable of giving up: Crabs, the Clap, or Aids.

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False Prophets
Posted by: femtobeam on Oct 20, 2009 3:49 AM   
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The Bible also warns of False Prophets and these paid lobbyists who double as elected officials are a mob. They are paid to deny health care to only certain parts of our society, namely those who cannot afford the high costs in the US, which are not anywhere near as high in other countries. Do they really think that all of their children and grandchildren will be as prosperous as they are? The Family will put their own families in the same miserable condition they are putting the rest of us in, just for their own short term power trip of greed and corruption.

As they claim to be on the moral high ground, telling people that God will provide for their health care, and their circumstances are what God wanted them to have, they take no responsibility for what they are doing as lawmakers, taking bribes from the large companies causing hellish suffering with denials of claims and bankruptcies as well as no care at all. Every bit of it is due to runaway profits in the health care industry.

Reading his words, it is not what Jesus would have thought or spoken. Doubtful, that these men would have been accepted to follow Jesus. More likely, they would have had their tables overturned in anger by him, as money changers and called what they are...hypocrites.

As for their drug dealing, mind controlling, Rev. Moon agenda for abstinence and embedded devices, they are probably signed in to the secret virtual environments provided by their RW network provider, all of it paid for by the NIH under Rev. Moon, who has the subcontract for the abstinence programs. Moon, who claims to be a religious man, was a 3 time jailed rapist and financial criminal. Their abstinence program gives them access to the minds of women and girls through embedded devices, and as Israel Zerhouni said during the hearings, "We want to find out what makes women untoward".

This is the future of their health care program...mind control practice on people in anonymity, with no oversight.

Where are the "Ghost Busters" when you need them? The FBI is going to need a larger budget and some new equipment to deal with the fallout of this "Family". Perhaps they are guaranteed a cubicle in the nearest D.U.M.B. If not, they will probably go the same way as the other scam artist who founded them, Tom DeLay and spend some time in those cubicles. In the meantime, they parrot the Moon Washington Times and destroy civilized, democratic, compassionate, countrymen and women.

These are the same people who decimated the CIA, the Scientists, the Air Force and Education with their fake, religious, underground movement to subvert real Christians and the military in the US in favor of their profits, establishing control for the New World Order in a torturous way which leaves everybody behind.

The agenda is to put poor people in a servant position under giant NGO's and private prisons. History will look upon these men as traitors, not statesmen. Take away their jobs and health care in the next election and tell them to go ask their neighbors for help.

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Religion is the problem
Posted by: leland61 on Oct 20, 2009 4:12 AM   
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Down through history the Christian Church has always sided with the wealthy against the poor. Movements and individuals who have opposed the Christian Church's favoring of the wealthy have been silenced and in many cases murdered. Those few voices from the church who have risen in defense and advocacy for the poor and marginalized have always been at the margins.

Look at the Christian Churches during the rise of Hitler. They kissed his ass and loved him for the monster he was. Had the Christian Church and its leaders firmly opposed the doctrines of fascism, WW II would never have erupted because Hitler never would have gained power.

The Family really reflects some of the most profoundly anti-human aspects of western monotheisms - Judaism - Christianity and Islam. A trinity of candidates for destruction in the name of the human family and the Earth itself. The sooner they are destroyed the better off the Earth and her children will be.

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Unbelieveable!
Posted by: jackpagan on Oct 20, 2009 5:25 AM   
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So this is how our elected leaders look out for out best interests!

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GOD BLESS THE RICH
Posted by: CLARENCE SWINNEY on Oct 20, 2009 5:48 AM   
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The most used word by Jesus Christ was POOR.
He would abhor the following FACTUAL representation of ENRICH THE RICH SHAFT THE POOR

WEALTH + INCOME

“God Bless The Rich”
Please raise your glass of champagne to honor Reagan and Bush II

WEALTH

From 1980 to 2007

Top 1% got 35.4% of Total Wealth Increase
Bottom 60% got 11.2%

Nonhome Wealth

Top 1% got 42.5%of total increase
Bottom 60% got 5.6%

Reagan Tax Cuts—60% for richest—
1980—top 1% got 20.5% of Wealth
1989---top 1% got 35.7% or Wealth for a 78.5% Increase

Clinton tax on richest and tax cuts for lowest income helped get a small change in direction
1992—top 1% got 37.2% of Wealth
2001---top 1% got 33.4% of Wealth

INCOME

From 1980 to 2007
Top 1% got 44.1% of Total Income Increase
Bottom 60% got 12.4%

2001-2008—1% got 491 B in Tax Breaks—annual income exceeded 1.5 million
and put 1% Income at highest percent of Total Income since 1928

Bottom 99% got $3.74 in debt for each $1 in tax cuts 2001-2006

In that time, equal protection and housing for the elderly was slashed 20% adjusted for inflation. Community Development Block Grant cut 32% and lack of health insurance was epidemic.

400 taxpayers with highest income doubled income 2002-2006. Hear Wall Street roar as it crashed in 2007. Party time was over.

The richest 400 reported an average $214 million each in 2005 on federal income tax returns in 2005—up from $104 million in 2002. Doubled.

The 400 richest taxpayers paid only 18% of their income in federal individual income taxes in 2005—down from 30% in 1995—a 66% Tax Cut. Thanks Ron. Thanks George.

Many of the provisions of the 2001 and 2003 Tax Cuts are scheduled to expire at the end of 2010.

IF OBAMA AND DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS MAKE PERMANENT --THEY ARE GONE GONE GONE-FIRED

If made permanent, the top 1% of Households would receive nearly $1200 Billion in Tax Cuts from 2009 through 2018 per cbpp.org

Obama campaigned on eliminating them. Please note this promise.

The poorest 20% would get a magnanimous tax cut of $45 per year. Whoopee!

NET WORTH

2007-top 20% had 85%--bottom 80% had 15%

2007-nonhome worth—20% had 93% and 80% had 7%

2007-Income-20% got 60% and 80% got 40%

Oh! Such a Fair and Balanced Nation! So Christ-Like. Makes me so proud.

cswinney2@triad.rr.com
political historian since 1991 on Reagan-Clinton-Bush II administrations

Above from Holly Sklar co-author of “Raise The Floor: Wages and Policies That Work For All Of Us” hsklar@aol.com --Part from writings of Edward.Wolff@nyu.edu who is considered top authority on Wealth in America

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A VERY BLACK CHAPTER IN AMERICAN HISTORY
Posted by: drricklippin on Oct 20, 2009 6:04 AM   
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These politicians are sealing their fate in US history as being venal,evil and immoral.

Any nation which professes to call itself moral and civil must provide at least BASIC health care to ALL its citizens

Those who are blocking that fundamental moral obligation need to be exposed as you have and remembered by name.

THANKS!

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa

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dubious Christians
Posted by: Roger64 on Oct 20, 2009 6:31 AM   
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Jesus said that "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and all your mind and love your neighbor as yourself." This is the summary of the Law read in many Christian Churches every Sunday.

We are presently in a situation in which people who boast most loudly about loving the Lord are doing the poorest job of loving their neighbors. I think it pretty much defines phony.

My personal belief, based on the sheep and goats test from the Gospel of Mark, is that a person cannot be a Republican--or be opposed to serious health care reform--and a Christian.

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Posted by: liam99 on Oct 20, 2009 6:35 AM   
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This "the family" seems to be the perfect example of the Anti-Christ. As for a revolution, imhofe and company may find out that it won't go they way they expect.

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Similarity?
Posted by: Lilly on Oct 20, 2009 6:48 AM   
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The attitude of The Family, that political power and money and the love of Jesus Christ are all fused, somehow reminds me of an African-American preacher who used to be on television on Washington DC channels about 25 years ago (although I seem to recall that he was broadcasting from New York, not sure). I don't know his name. He regularly preached that the only worthwhile evidence of God's approval and favor was wealth and that "green" was the color that would validate "black" in the eyes of society. After one of his rip-roaring sermons, the entire congregation would join hands and chant their prayer, which involved repeating over and over the phrase "Send Me Money! Send Me Money!". Congregants would testify along the lines that they had won the lottery or in some other way had come into cash.

Our Puritan forefathers believed in the worldly success of the Elect, but, some things are ridiculous.

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The followers of Jesus
Posted by: littlepitcher on Oct 20, 2009 6:49 AM   
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City folk have not been privileged to walk where horses have been ridden. On those natural trails, you will find birds, pecking into horse turds, looking for undigested seeds.

The Family follows Jesus in exactly the same way. They don't walk the walk or bear the burdens, they just flew in like bats out of Hell, and picked around in the horse manure until they found a few corrupt seeds of theology they could use.

Faith in Jesus--plus the nothing that poor folks already have. Predestination to oppression, and oppressors who are "blessed by God" to pick our pockets, and then forgiven seventy times seven for the theft.

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Maddow
Posted by: Lilly on Oct 20, 2009 6:58 AM   
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This discussion would be remiss if it failed to celebrate Rachel Maddow's courageous campaign to publish the attitudes and acts of The Family. The rest of the American media should be ashamed that the only journalist with balls is a girl.

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You say, "I believe." ? Get out of secular politics! (part 1)
Posted by: vasumurti on Oct 20, 2009 7:21 AM   
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In 1787 when the framers excluded all mention of God from the Constitution, they were widely denounced as immoral and the document was denounced as godless, which is precisely what it is. Opponents of the Constitution challenged ratifying conventions in nearly every state, calling attention to Article VI, Section 3: “No religious test shall be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.”

An anti-federalist in North Carolina wrote: “The exclusion of religious tests is by many thought dangerous and impolitic. Pagans, Deists and Mohammedans might obtain office among us.” Amos Singletary of Massachussetts, one of the most outspoken critics of the Constitution, said that he “hoped to see Christians (in power), yet by the Constitution, a papist or an infidel was as eligible as they.”

Luther Martin, a Maryland delegate to the Constitutional Convention of 1787 wrote that “there were some members so unfashionable as to think that a belief in the existence of a Deity, and of a state of future rewards and punishments would be some security for the good conduct of our rulers, and that in a Christian country, it would be at least decent to hold out some distinction between the professors of Christianity and downright infidelity or paganism.” Martin’s report shows that a “Christian nation” faction had its say during the convention, and that its views were consciously rejected.

The United States Constitution is a completely secular political document. It begins “We the people,” and contains no mention of “God,” “Jesus,” or “Christianity.” Its only references to religion are exclusionary, such as the “no religious test” clause (Article VI), and “Congress shall make no laws respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” (First Amendment)

The presidential oath of office, the only oath detailed in the Constitution, does not contain the phrase “so help me God” or any requirement to swear on a Bible (Article II, Section 1). The words “under God” did not appear in the Pledge of Allegiance until 1954, when Congress, under McCarthyism, inserted them.

Similarly, “In God we Trust” was absent from paper currency before 1956, though it did appear on some coins beginning in 1864. The original U.S. motto, written by John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson, is E Pluribus Unum (“Of Many, One”) celebrating plurality and diversity.

In 1797, America made a treaty with Tripoli, declaring that “the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.” This reassurance to Islam was written under Washington’s presidency and approved by the Senate under John Adams.

We are not governed by the Declaration of Independence. Its purpose was to “dissolve the political bonds,” not to set up a religious nation. Its authority was based upon the idea that “governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,” which is contrary to the biblical concept of rule by divine authority. The Declaration deals with laws, taxation, representation, war, immigration, etc., and doesn’t discuss religion at all. The references to “Nature’s God,” “Creator,” and “Divine Providence” in the Declaration do not endorse Christianity. Its author, Thomas Jefferson, was a Deist, opposed to Christianity and the supernatural.

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You say, "I believe." ? Get out of secular politics! (part 2)
Posted by: vasumurti on Oct 20, 2009 7:22 AM   
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“Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern, which have come under my observation, none appear to me so pure as that of Jesus,” wrote Thomas Jefferson. However, Jefferson admitted, “In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man and that other parts are the fabric of very inferior minds...” It was Thomas Jefferson who established the separation of church and state. Jefferson was deeply suspicious of religion and of clergy wielding political power.

Jefferson helped create the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom in 1786, incurring the wrath of Christians by his fervent defense of toleration of atheists: “The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts as are only injurious to others. But it does no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.” Jefferson advocated a “wall of separation” between church and state not to protect the church from government intrusion, but to preserve the freedom of the people:

“I consider the doctrines of Jesus as delivered by himself to contain the outlines of the sublimest morality that has ever been taught;” he observed, “but I hold in the most profound detestation and execration the corruptions of it which have been invested by priestcraft and established by kingcraft, constituting a conspiracy of church and state against the civil and religious liberties of mankind.”

Jefferson and the founding fathers were products of the Age of Enlightenment. Their world view was based upon Deism, secularism, and rationalism.

“The priests of the different religious sects dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight,” wrote Jefferson. “The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his Father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter...we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away all this...”

As late as 1820, Jefferson was convinced everyone in the United States would die a Unitarian. Jefferson, Madison and Paine’s writings indicate that America was never intended to be a Christian theocracy. “I have sworn upon the altar of God,” wrote Jefferson, “eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.”

In his 1802 letter to the Danbury Baptists, Jefferson wrote: “Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.”

Similarly, in an 1824 letter to John Cartwright, Jefferson expressed anger at judges who had based rulings on their belief that Christianity is part of the common law. Cartwright had written a book critical of these judges, and Jefferson was glad to see it. Observed Jefferson, “The proof of the contrary, which you have produced, is controvertible; to wit, that the common law existed while the Anglo-Saxons were yet pagans, at a time when they had never yet heard the name of Christ pronounced, or knew that such a character had ever existed.” Jefferson challenged “the best-read lawyer to produce another script of authority for this judicial forgery” and concluded, “What a conspiracy this, between Church and State!”

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You say, "I believe." ? Get out of secular politics! (part 3)
Posted by: vasumurti on Oct 20, 2009 7:23 AM   
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As president, Jefferson put his “wall of separation” theory into practice. He refused to issue proclamations calling for days of prayer and fasting, insisting that they violate the First Amendment. As early as 1779, Jefferson proposed a bill before the Virginia legislature that would have established a series of elementary schools to teach the basics—reading, writing, and arithmetic. Jefferson even suggested that “no religious reading, instruction, or exercise shall be prescribed or practiced, inconsistent with the tenets of any religious sect or denomination.” Jefferson did not regard public schools as the proper agent to form children’s religious views.

As president, James Madison also put his separationist philosophy into action. He vetoed two bills he believed would violate church-state separation. The first was an act incorporating the Episcopal Church in the District of Columbia that gave the church the authority to care for the poor. The second was a proposed land grant to a Baptist church in Mississippi. Had Madison, the father of the Constitution, believed that all the First Amendment was intended to do was bar setting up a state church, he would have approved these bills. Instead, he vetoed both, and in his veto messages to Congress explicitly stated that he was rejecting the bills because they violated the First Amendment.

Later in his life, James Madison came out against state-paid chaplains, writing, “The establishment of the chaplainship to Congress is a palpable violation of equal rights, as well as of Constitutional principles.” He also concluded that his calling for days of prayer and fasting during his presidency had been unconstitutional.

In an 1819 letter to Robert Walsh, Madison wrote, “the number, the industry and the morality of the priesthood, and the devotion of the people have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the church from the state.” In an undated essay called the “Detached Memoranda,” written in the early 1800s, Madison wrote, “Strongly guarded...is the separation between Religion and Government in the Constitution of the United States.”
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In 1833 Madison responded to a letter sent to him by Jasper Adams. Adams had written a pamphlet titled “The Relations of Christianity to Civil Government in the United States,” which tried to prove that the United States was founded as a Christian nation. Madison wrote back: “In the papal system, government and religion are in a manner consolidated, and that is found to be the worst of government.”

Madison, like Jefferson, was confident that separation of church and state would protect both the institutions of government and religion. Late in his life, Madison wrote to a Lutheran minister about this, declaring, “A due distinction...between what is due to Caesar and what is due to God, best promotes the discharge of both obligations...A mutual independence is found most friendly to practical religion, to social harmony, and to political prosperity.”

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The most frightening part . . .
Posted by: fbear0143 on Oct 20, 2009 7:42 AM   
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is that ordinary people, among them so many who NEED health care reform, continue to help re-elect these creeps. How twisted is that?

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Good synopsis weak analysis
Posted by: wbblack on Oct 20, 2009 7:43 AM   
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This piece is a good synopsis of Jeff Sharlet's book, which I've read and recommend reading it for yourself. It's a history of Christian fundamentalism as well as a expose on The Family, a truly frightening group. But her comparison of Obama to FDR is just wrong. Obama is a slick moderate who is skilled at using "progressive" rhetoric. He's pulling the wool over people's eyes. Obama and his handlers are more like the The Family than different. Obama is FDR for the financial industry not the working class. This writer rarely brings anything worthwhile to the table other than information that others have already reported usually with a more thoughtful analysis.

A final comment, since when did Lenin become a great villain in history. I thought liberals held up Stalin and Mao for that honor. Czar Nicholas II and the other Czars were the villains, and I am glad the Lenin, Stalin and the Russian working class got rid of them. What happened in the USSR over a period of time is another matter that is way to complicated to go into in a post. But the big reason that Saint FDR was forced to implement the New Deal was because he and other smart members of the ruling class knew that if they didn't they could be looking at a revolution of US workers like in Russia. Stalin and the workers of the USSR deserve as much and maybe more thanks than FDR for the New Deal. If there was a vibrant communist or another kind of truly revolutionary movement capturing the hearts and imaginations of common folks around the world today, our "leaders may have had a remarkably different response to the so called economic crisis, which is really capitalism working like it's supposed to.

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THE CURE FOR "THE FAMILY" IS THE I.R.S.
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Oct 20, 2009 7:54 AM   
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They use religion just for the tax breaks on the huge houses they own. They belive in no one but themselves and their own selfish motives. God/Jesus is nothing more that their rationale for everything. They quote Marx, Engels, Hitler and Mao frequently, not Jesus. They use the Bible as a tool and a front for the operation. The 'Jesus+zero' thing is more nothing. They serve no purpose except to gain power and they seem to be suceeding. They are opposed to anything that might help another human beingg. As for hard times in a person's life well, "That's what God wants". Their reasoning is almost child like, but far from innocent. When I read the book, I realized that there was no line of logic to their actions. They don't believe anyone should be helped, ever. They wouldn't give a piece of bread to a dying man. Their belief is in being mean and selfish. Religion doesn't matter to them no matter what they say. The money keeps on rolling in because they enjoy tax exempt status and don't have to pay out. So to add insult to injury they are supported by us, the taxpayers. What they claim to believe means nothing, this is about money and power. They have both. It's time for a serious audit. That's the only way they can be touched. ANNA

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Since this whole matter
Posted by: Archie1954 on Oct 20, 2009 8:40 AM   
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is tied to a form of religious ideology I feel I can state without compunction that the Republican Party serves Satan. There is no other explanation for Republicans voting to prevent victims of gang rape from having their day in court or to quash healthcare for millions of Americans or for so many other deleterious goals.

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Sallyport
Posted by: sallyport on Oct 20, 2009 8:55 AM   
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Isn't it wonderful that these incorrigible greedheads feel they must sanitize their avarice with a theology. It almost looks as if they are consumed with unacknowledged guilt feelings, so must have their greed sanctified. While they are pathetic, their power must be recognized & dealt with by the masses they so despise. We must remain informed & spread the word to unmask these creeps.

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The Family - A Sick Perversion of Religion
Posted by: US Citizen on Oct 20, 2009 9:21 AM   
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What a pathetic sick perversion of religion the members of "The Family" adhere to. Doesn't anyone realize that this people are too insane to hold public office in the United States? No wonder the United States is in such pathetic shape after the George W. Bush era. There was a strong sense that George W. Bush believed in this sick religious demented cult stuff, and it still is perverting the power structure of the Unted States.

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"Losing My Religion" by William Lobdell
Posted by: rosarugosa on Oct 20, 2009 9:28 AM   
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Published in 2009 by a journalist who literally lost his religion while writing about it! Praise both from Christopher Hitchens of "God is Not Great" fame and Rev John Huffman, chairman of the board of Christianity Today! Definitely worth the read for believers and non believers, the nons will like it better :>D

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rbrooks
Posted by: rbrooks on Oct 20, 2009 10:14 AM   
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Well, I guess we can be glad Hillary is no longer in the Senate.

On the other hand....

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080331/ehrenreich

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Just Wondering...
Posted by: popeurbanxxiii on Oct 20, 2009 10:11 AM   
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...how "The Family" interprets Matthew 7:15? Seems Jesus just might have had people of similar ilk in mind with this verse.

Had he known them, would Dante Alighieri have had to invent a deeper circle of Hell for these creeps?

For far too long has religion been used in the furthering of evil.

"If'n all y'all's been waitin' on that there AntiChrist, well I reckon we done met 'em." - Pope Bubba I

Wake up sheeple! The wolves are among us!

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Corruption is bliss
Posted by: jtweezo on Oct 20, 2009 10:18 AM   
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Wow, seems someone has them all bought and paid for. Its the American way I guess!

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This isn't new.
Posted by: pastortom52 on Oct 20, 2009 10:26 AM   
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Many people don't know it but George H. W. Bush's father, Prescott Bush, thought highly of Hitler and Nazism. He and some other wealthy businessmen were using their wealth to push for a pro-German revolution to overthrow the government and remove FDR from the Presidency. When it was discovered what he was doing, FDR made a deal with him and his compatriots in the plot to overthrow the government that they wouldn't be prosecuted if they quietly dropped their plans. Interesting history!

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Authoratarian, conservative, neo-Calvanistic nut-jobs are a disgrace to the People of the United...
Posted by: zigy on Oct 20, 2009 12:24 PM   
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States. These hypocritical morons should be working in WallMart, not "serving" the citizens of a (erstwhile) republic and democracy. These dim-wits couldn't distinquish their ass from their elbow, and they have been given the responsibilty of crafting legislation! It's no wonder this country has gone to hell in a handbasket with these idiots in the Federal legislature....

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Media Didn't Miss It
Posted by: barkway on Oct 20, 2009 1:31 PM   
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You must not watch Rachel Maddow's show on MSNBC. She did huge, long expose on The Family.

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That's different
Posted by: njguy73 on Oct 20, 2009 3:42 PM   
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[sarcasm] Hillary's a woman, so whatever she does is for our own good. [/sarcasm]

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The Return Of White Power
Posted by: melpol on Oct 20, 2009 4:35 PM   
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A small burning ember in a wood pile takes a strong wind to create a large blaze. The wealthy if in danger of having their belongings taken away can create that strong wind. It will set in motion frustrated millions who want white power to enslave the world.

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Let me get this straight
Posted by: dogwhisperer on Oct 20, 2009 4:58 PM   
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If everything is the way it is because God wants it to be that way, then there really IS no "free will" and so besides the fact that that does away with individual responsibility, it also does away with the kind of power these guys assume.... because no matter what they do or don't do, God just gets His way -- right? So "The Family" is irrelevant by its own definition. Or have I missed something?

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The Republicans
Posted by: jimmyaj on Oct 20, 2009 9:34 PM   
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are playing with fire here. And it's burning hot and fierce and is getting hotter.

The American public won't take this crap much longer, and it could be a metter of days. When the real revolution comes and those turds are herded out of the Capital up to an executioner's hill outside the main building, these clowns will be the first to feel their necks on the chopping block.

They had best wise-up and fix things quick, like RIGHT NOW, or, "be the first one on the block". Time is running out and the fecal matter may hit the proverbial fan any day now.

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I know this isn't possible but...
Posted by: theblackgeorgecarlin on Oct 21, 2009 4:21 PM   
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I would really appreciate it if the FBI or someone, anyone, tries to dig up dirt on the Family. You think that whoremongering and supporting dictators are all that they do? An organization like this definitely has some big skeletons in the closet, and I would like to know every detail. Seriously, groups like the Family pose a serious threat to what is left of our democracy. I mean, their name even sounds sinister, like a biker gang or Bond villain organization.

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Groups like this cannot stand in a free and open society...
Posted by: djnoll on Oct 21, 2009 8:32 PM   
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so it is up to those of us who understand who they are and what they believe to stand up to them. It is time that these politicians were removed from office and quickly. This group is only strong because it acts in secret and that is wrong in a free society. Our Forefathers believed in a strong, open society and would have cringed at this kind of Christianity. It is time that this group was shown up for what they are - not Christians, but rather robberbarons with delusions of grandeur leading politically ambitious people to do their bidding. Our government is not for sale - not until you are willing to buy every single American for the same price as you are buying our elected officials. We will have our government of, by, and for the people and this group cannot stop us.

I am in Las Vegas tonight, and will be in Flagstaff tomorrow, all things being equal. I will an uploading videos from Boise, Las Vegas, and Salt Lake City as I type this, and they should be available by tomorrow morning. I have discussed the Wars, LGBT Marriage and DOMA, and joblessness/homelessness/new homesteading so far. I hope that they will offer you food for thought and some suggestions for our leaders.

I will post the links on Facebook, Twitter, and my homepage in the morning, so look for them there under Devon Noll, DJNoll, and at Let Freedom Ring.Community

America, and posters here at Alternet, groups like the Family flourish in a society where there is no actively engaged, educated citizenry to stop them. As I move forward on this trip, I hope that you will decide to show these people what it is you are doing to expose them and the falsehoods that they embrace. Good Night, America!

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What the Family
Posted by: osd on Oct 21, 2009 10:49 PM   
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is? Sounds like the Rockefeller/Cheney connection. The two of them are the almighty dollar in $igns. Same controllers just tightening there hold over America and the world.

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Thousands of bankruptcies due to health crisis
Posted by: Flick on Oct 24, 2009 2:21 PM   
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Forgive this Canadian from interjecting. The US is the wealthiest nation in the world and yet unless you are upper crust you could be one health tragedy away from being bankrupted? What kind of people are derailing the drive to provide universal healthcare to all of your citizens? As an outsider observer listening to some of the chatter it seems to me that it's mostly the wealthy Chickenhawk card-carrying Republicans. I'm glad for your children's sake that the majority are fed up with this crap and will prevail on this one. The GOP is done- stick a fork in it for the next couple of decades.

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