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Why Right-Wing Demagogues Are Trying to Peddle Ludicrous Conspiracy Theories
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Even before Barack Obama was sworn in as the 44th president of the United States, the internet was seething with lurid conspiracy theories exposing his alleged subversion and treachery.
Among the many false claims: Obama was a secret Muslim; he was not a native U.S. citizen and his election as president should be overturned; he was a tool of the New World Order in a plot to merge the government of the United States into a North American union with Mexico and Canada.
Within hours of Obama’s inauguration, claims circulated that Obama was not really president because Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts scrambled the words as he administered the oath of office. A few days after the inauguration came a warning that Obama planned to impose martial law and collect all guns.
Many of these false claims recall those floated by right-wing conspiracy theorists in the armed citizens’ militia movement during the Clinton administration — allegations that percolated up through the media and were utilized by Republican political operatives to hobble the legislative agenda of the Democratic Party.
The conspiracy theory attacks on Clinton bogged down the entire government. Legislation became stuck in congressional committees, appointments to federal posts dwindled and positions remained unfilled, almost paralyzing some agencies and seriously hampering the federal courts.
A similar scenario is already hobbling the work of the Obama administration. The histrionics at congressional town hall meetings and conservative rallies is not simply craziness — it is part of an effective right-wing campaign based on scare tactics that have resonated throughout U.S. history among a white middle class fearful of alien ideas, people of color and immigrants.
Unable to block the appointment of Sonia Sotomayor to the U.S. Supreme Court, the right-wing media demagogues, corporate political operatives, Christian right theocrats, and economic libertarians have targeted healthcare reform and succeeded in sidetracking the public option and single-payer proposals.
A talented environmental adviser to the Obama administration, Van Jones, was hounded into resigning Sept. 5 by a McCarthyite campaign of red-baiting and hyperbole. Support for major labor law reform has been eroding.
With a wink and a nod, right-wing apparatchiks are networking with the apocalyptic Christian right and resurgent armed militias — a volatile mix of movements awash in conspiracy theories. Scratch the surface and you find people peddling bogus conspiracy theories about liberal secular humanists, collectivist labor bosses, Muslim terrorists, Jewish cabals, homosexual child molesters and murderous abortionists.
This right-wing campaign is about scapegoating bogus targets by using conspiracy theories to distract attention from insurance companies who are the real culprits behind escalating healthcare costs.
Examples of right-wing conspiracy theories include the false claim that healthcare reform will include government bureaucrat “Death Panels” pulling the plug on grandma. Another is the claim that Obama is appointing unconstitutional project “Czars” More fraudulent conspiracy theories are being generated every week.
The core narrative of many popular conspiracy theories is that “the people” are held down by a conspiracy of wealthy secret elites manipulating a vast legion of corrupt politicians, mendacious journalists, propagandizing schoolteachers, nefarious bankers and hidden subversive cadres.
This is not an expression of a healthy political skepticism about state power or legitimate calls for reform or radical challenges to government or corporate abuses. This is an irrational anxiety that pictures the world as governed by powerful long-standing covert conspiracies of evildoers who control politics, the economy, and all of history. Scholars call this worldview “conspiracism.”
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Posted by: mmckinl on Oct 1, 2009 12:41 AM
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Obama is still above 50% in the polls. The people he is losing are the people on the left ...
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» As yes, the "conspiracy nuts", well that list is growing including...
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» Misrepresenting your sources again, "prophit(0)"?
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» From the same article, how come you didn't include this???
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» I didn't quote your bull[expletive deleted] article, I quoted Farmers' Senate testimony, liar.
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» Lets see: "Farmers testimony" March 2009, "Farmers interview" SEPTEMBER 2009....
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» RFacts straight, It was not an interview...
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» Not to worry, they can read the article and the book for themselves.
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» Yes and then can See a litnay of cherry picked quotes...
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» Amazon.com tells you what's in the book, idiot. You're article is worthless.
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» That right, "prophit(0)", when you're DEBUNKED, change the subject and refuse to answer my questions
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» What was that, Max the compulsive liar?
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» Good news everyone!!!!!! A US court just ruled on a temporary injunction against the government...
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» That article is an urban myth, and was DEBUNKED.
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» Aaah, Bill, that is a health site, not a legal site, try this instead and check out the docket # and
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» Misrepresenting another source, "prophit(0)"? Do you ever stop lying?
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» Bill, look at all the great news we have been getting today, shall I list them for you???
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Posted by: femtobeam on Oct 1, 2009 1:05 AM
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The Moon owned Wash Times created that story about John Kerry as it was he who was investigating the BCCI affair, a still open and unproven case by the FBI.
It seems he takes a clue directly out of the book from George Orwell's 1984, "The Theory of Oligarchal Collectivism".
The Moon "ministry of love" is a brain interfaced abstinence program under the NIH, even though his daughter in law, his former partner Park, the Government of North Korea who imprisoned him twice for sexual crimes, all say that Moon abuses women. Parks book was called, "The Six Marys".
He spent time in a US prison for fraud, yet he was crowned King in the Dirkson Office Building. His mind control program may reach further and higher than what has been publicized. He certainly had access to the technology for it. He may be the original Manchurian Candidate brainwasher.
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» You did an excellent article on this yesterday that was quite lengthy but very informative....
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Posted by: jooljetkmae on Oct 1, 2009 1:30 AM
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...except when it came to passing NAFTA, Welfare Reform, the Crime Bill, the Salvage Logging Rider, the war against Serbia, and the right was hardly stopping Gore from implementing "reinventing government", etc.,. Yes, the government was bogged down all right during Clinton time if you were looking for a progressive agenda, and you can blame Clinton for that.
...the right-wing media demagogues, corporate political operatives, Christian right theocrats, and economic libertarians have targeted healthcare reform and succeeded in sidetracking the public option and single-payer proposals....
Baucus and Obama have killed any public options. The Democrats control the Congress with a filibuster proof majority in the Senate, so I get tired of this line that it's the fault of the right that any public health care option was killed by the Republican right. The Democrats did it this time, just like Hillary killed health care reform 16 years ago.
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» Yes, this article is so typical of what is going on on the right as well by the neocon controlled ..
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» Jool, you are SO right!!
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» Let's be factual here !
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Posted by: photon's feather on Oct 1, 2009 2:29 AM
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Some very good points, but just as the right he criticizes go too far in seeing conspiracies everywhere, so does Mr Berlet go too far in dismissing problematic behaviors by calling them conspiracies.
Yes, we should 'challeng[e] an unfair economic system run on behalf of corporate and public interests,' but who exactly does Mr Berlet think is running that system, if not the banksters and Wall Street power brokers and their bought-and-paid-for Congress? True, the current economic crisis was not caused by secret wealthy elite acting conspiratorially; it was caused by not-so-secret banksters and Washington, working hand-in-hand, tearing down regulation quite publicly.
Not every concerted effort is a conspiracy, and concerted efforts should not be blithely dismissed by labeling them as such.
I don't have Obama's back and I never will. He advertises himself as a progressive, but he's not even the centrist Mr Berlet claims. His policies are much too far to the right. He's a militarist and a corporatist. He obviously loves power: he hasn't made any moves to give up Bush's un-Constitutionally grabbed powers.
His speech on health care: what a dud - though not nearly as bad as his actions.
As stated in the article, this hysterical nonsense preceded his inauguration - but it didn't prevent him from pushing through his Wall Street Giveaway or from expanding the war in Afghanistan (or bombing Pakistan).
Funny how the right-wing loonies' ability to hinder Obama varies in sync with his goals. (Ditto for the Democratic majority in Congress.)
The hysteria on the right is going to continue unabated, so why don't the Dems in Congress just push through progressive legislation? The squawking couldn't get much louder. No, wait, could it possibly be that the Dems don't want to pass progressive legislation?
Condemn the loonies, by all means. (I certainly do.) But don't use them as cover for Obama's lousy record. It's cheap and cowardly.
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» I gave you a "5" and I am sorry it doesn't show.... what you wrote is accurate as far as it went...
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» RE: Does this make Feingold a right-winger?
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Oct 1, 2009 2:33 AM
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Think about this. The O-holes used smears against fellow Democrats to win a primary. They are party traitors.
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Posted by: geometeer on Oct 1, 2009 3:05 AM
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I saw nothing, later, on how those conspiracies had come out.
There do exist conspiracies, and theories, on all sides, but conspiracy theory is easier than conspiracy practice.
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» RE: is conspiracy theory a right wing monopoly?
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» RE: is conspiracy theory a right wing monopoly?
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» You didn't look hard enough.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Oct 1, 2009 3:06 AM
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» RE: It's not the right wing that's bringing Obama down. Obama is doing this to himself.
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» Morell, the right wing conspiracy in this case is totally invalid. Right now, the right wing GOP are
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» RE: It's not the right wing that's bringing Obama down. Obama is doing this to himself.
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» Exactly right ! Fantasies charged, make conversation futile.
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Posted by: dada on Oct 1, 2009 3:06 AM
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This must be a conspiracy theory, huh?
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» When people invent weird conspiracies, they're labeled that. Not the merely critical.
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» Oh, you mean like this?????
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» Misrepresenting the contents of Farmer's book again, "prophit(0)"? You just can't stop lying.
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» Fed court just ruled on an injunction against forced mandatory vaccines... I AM TOO HAPPY TO LET YOU
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» Love to burst your bubble, the story has been debunked
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» That article is an urban myth, and was DEBUNKED. Natural News Retracted the article. LOL! Idiot.
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» I DEBUNKED you at 10:43 AM here, "prophit(0)":
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» And I just debunked you back.... hahahaaa ROTFLMAO!!! Only I used a law site and you used a ......
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» Misrepresenting your sources again, "prophit(0)"? The Injunction was NOT granted.
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» RE: And I just debunked you back...
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» Boy, that vaccine issue is really getting you guys riled up, why? Are they true? Is the vaccine a
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» Just remember Beck that sometimes fact is weirder than fiction.
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» %^)
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Posted by: David Macko on Oct 1, 2009 3:19 AM
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We shouldn't be too worried about conspiracy theories. We should be much more concerned about conspiracy facts.
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» RE: There'd be a lot less conspiracy theories if government and media didn't lie to us constantly
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» I agree, but it is in "most" people's nature to lie and deceive...including to themselves.
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» RE: David Macko
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» At the end of the day it is still people that make up a government and allow it to exist.
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Posted by: Nitestallion on Oct 1, 2009 3:23 AM
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Paranoia does not begin to describe the emotion I feel. George W. Bush is a monster. For all his charm and down home mannerisms he is pure educated evil!
Now we have Obama following in his footsteps. The things he has done (or not done) for the health of the elderly and children is deplorable. This is not "Theory" it is fact, the plan he had for placing on the discussion table has taken a back seat to this illegal involvement in Afghanistan.
When am I going to learn that electing a President, does not necessarily gaurentee his fealty to his own party. This makes me livid but also scares the death out of me.
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» RE: I find this frightening . . . Not for lack of truth, but just enough to make me doubt.
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» RE: I find this frightening . . . Not for lack of truth, but just enough to make me doubt.
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» Hahaha, Excuse me????? With a 60 vote majority in the Senate you try to sell us this .....
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» RE: I find this frightening . . . me too, but I have no doubts, reality IS terrifying
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» RE: I find this frightening . . . Not for lack of truth, but just enough to make me doubt.
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» Wow, what a mind bending exercise in logic that was.....
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» RE: I find this frightening .... so suck it up and
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Posted by: dada on Oct 1, 2009 3:33 AM
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"The attacks and oppression generated by this populist white rage, however, is painfully felt by people lower on the socio-economic ladder, and historically this has been people of color, immigrants and other marginalized groups.
"It is this overarching counter-subversive conspiracy theory that has mobilized so many people; and the clueless Democrats have been caught unaware by the tactics of right-wing populism used successfully for the last 100 years and chronicled by dozens of authors.
"Conspiracism frames demonized enemies 'as part of a vast insidious plot against the common good, while it valorizes the scapegoater as a hero for sounding the alarm.'
"Vigorous social movements pull political movements and politicians in their direction — not the other way around. We need to raise some hell in the streets and in the suites."
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Aah, the poor “clueless Democrats” have to defend themselves against those “evil, right-wingers,” don't they?
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» RE: Sounds like “Left-wing conspiracy theory” to me...
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» it does to you, but the difference is clear
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Posted by: DHFabian on Oct 1, 2009 4:48 AM
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I want to see face-to-face discussions. Fear is like a cockroach -- shine a light on it, and it runs for cover. I want to see the fear-mongers publicly sit down with their opponents to dissect those dark, vague allegations. I want them to define just what it is that they are railing against, and shine some facts on those fears. Why not sit Beck or
Limbaugh (or any right-wing spokesperson) down with Keith Olbermann to examine those issues that are driving the "town-hallers"? Let's see if there is anything, absolutely anything, to the opposition to Obama beyond those delusions about Obama somehow being a threatening "outsider".
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» Many of the Fears are Real
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» RE: Many of the Fears are Real
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» RE: fear-mongers publicly sit down with their opponents to dissect those dark, vague allegations
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» RE: fear-mongers publicly sit down with their opponents to dissect those dark, vague allegations
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» Maybe you could start with some of the fear mongers that post articles about the fearful right....
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» Um, you have noticed these Kenya birthers, Gun grabbin, etc
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» RE: mpty fears
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» You said Republicans "only want to be elected to do nothing for this country and maintain 30 years..
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Posted by: snowhound on Oct 1, 2009 5:40 AM
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For these left-wing writers to continually bash the right is like rapists criticizing a murderer. This country was designed under the frame of the Constitution because the smart people who wrote it were well aware of the danger of a power grabbing central government. Maybe some of the so called tea baggers are misguided; most of them are people that are fed up with governments wasteful spending and corruption. Power corrupts. All free societies follow the same general path. Freedom to Corporatism to Socialism. The later two can both be defined as Fascism. Corporatism was officially bred in 1913 when the Federal Reserve Act was enacted. The best way to reign in big government is to End the Fed. That should be our main focus.
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» Health Care has been a RIGHT throughout Human History - Except in America..
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» RE: Health Care has been a RIGHT throughout Human History - Except in America..
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» RE: Health Care has been a RIGHT throughout Human History - Except in America..
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» Healthcare IS A RIGHT
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» RE: Health Care is not a RIGHT.
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Posted by: grindermonkey on Oct 1, 2009 6:00 AM
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» Lincoln founded the republican party or made it into a viable party when he won...
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Posted by: TFYQA on Oct 1, 2009 6:08 AM
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GOP'S KILLING FLOOR
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OBAMA & HILLARY'S KILLING FLOOR
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"Our only political party has two right wings, one called Republican, the other Democratic. But Henry Adams figured all that out back in the 1890s. 'We have a single system,' he wrote, and 'in that system the only question is the price at which the proletariat is to be bought and sold, the bread and circuses.'" : Gore Vidal - The Decline and Fall of the American Empire
BOTTOM LINE...
'We are watching a poorly staged rendition of Wag the Dog, interpreted for the morbidly stupid and performed by the criminally insane." - Jules Carlysle
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» FYI
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» Boy, I could have used you on here yesterday on another one of these hate articles...
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Oct 1, 2009 6:16 AM
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Another text book example of how these people are not only dumber than dog shit, they're insane.
It's ironic: they used to seem so comical. This isn't really funny anymore - or, at the very least - not quite as funny as it used to be.
It's interesting, in the twenties, Hitler and the Nazis seemed to be comic relief as well. With in time, however, the joke was over. If these assholes ever come to power again, the party's over.
On that happy note....
"America the Pitiful
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
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» RE: "these people" who are they Tom?
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» My dear sister....
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» Oh, Tom, that was very patronizing. She asked a good question and you didn't have the courtesy...
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» In what way was his reply patronizing? I thought it was ....
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» Right wing fringe?
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» wow, I guess today is just one of those days of irony.....
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Oct 1, 2009 6:23 AM
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Posted by: wzsteen on Oct 1, 2009 6:29 AM
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Posted by: Bushmaster on Oct 1, 2009 7:41 AM
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These people have loads of enemies and loads of fear. They are easily manipulated by those they consider authority figures on the basis of those enemies and fears.
They have their version of the ACLU which is the ACLJ that promotes their hysteria and fear which defines the environment they choose to live in. I love to listen to them. They use demagoguery in a way you might expect to hear in any fanatical group that feels itself oppressed. The ACLJ comes across, at least to me, as foaming at the mouth hysterical haranguing. But to these people it is the canary in the cave giving it's last flutter before an imminent disaster.
Goes to show that what you believe does indeed create an external reality.
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Posted by: bcainw on Oct 1, 2009 7:56 AM
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We are living in a matrix whereby the media uses the control of information/knowledge to keep our "eyes wide shut."
Obama has betrayed the people: acting as a wolf in sheeps clothing. We had better wake the f**k up right now if we have any hope of preserving this republic.
This author has his head all the way up his own ass. Yes it is true that the "tea parties" have been co-opted by neo-con backers who want open borders, a North American Union and the destruction of the American Middle Class.
But such tactics are born to fail. The cauldron is beginning to boil and the revolution is beginning to grow legs. Let us just hope against historic precedent, that the "change we believe in" can be attained without violence. Let goodness help us all.
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» I agree and we should work toward "goodness" to solve the problem....
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» This is your brain on Alex Jones...
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» This coming from the person
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» OK, I'll try again, Obama betrayed us or Lied, HOW ? Splain !
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Posted by: harryf200 on Oct 1, 2009 8:19 AM
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It's a bit like giving monkeys in the zoo loaded guns to play with...
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Posted by: thethinkingman on Oct 1, 2009 8:43 AM
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What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
What is shocking though, is how the author can argue that this right wing behavior is wrong yet he doesn't see that he argued for it when the left was out of office.
I still say, as a non American looking on from Africa, that the left wing media was just as abusive towards Bush ( and continue to be even now) as the left claims the right wing media is towards Obama.
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» Part of A Contest For Dominance
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Posted by: ClassAct on Oct 1, 2009 9:10 AM
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It might also be argued that conspiracies involving elites are in fact nothing but childishly simplistic versions of the arguments for class domination. It is the immature and conservative version of those same arguments advanced by Marx and Engels. Elites certainly exist and they certainly hold meetings where they engage in policy planning, the terms of which become the consensus for debate within the beltway, for the policy publications, and for those in the media who aspire to become commentators for the most prominent outlets.
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» You said "Elites certainly exist and they certainly hold meetings where they engage in policy,,,,,i
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Posted by: palm44 on Oct 1, 2009 9:18 AM
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Posted by: SicfkOfBush on Oct 1, 2009 9:37 AM
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Posted by: pbutler on Oct 1, 2009 9:50 AM
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Please specify.
... the recent book, Eyes Right! Challenging the Right Wing Backlash (South End Press), from which this article was drawn.
How can an article "drawn" from a book published in 1999 ("recent"?) describe the information given in the quote from the preceding question?
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Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Oct 1, 2009 9:57 AM
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Furthermore, Obama popped onto the presidential scene basically out of nowhere! Do we really know this man's background???
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Posted by: Lara1967 on Oct 1, 2009 9:58 AM
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But now that Obama is president and he is doing the EXACT SAME THING and worst. These democraps are not doing any advocating, they are NOT protesting aginst the wars and crimes against humanity or anything that Obama is doing, which is exactly like Bush, except they are agreeing with Obama and using the stupid race card to justify their stupid reasons for being hypocritics...
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Posted by: Delphi on Oct 1, 2009 9:59 AM
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These "American idiots" who are in the minority should be ignored.
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They will slide under their rocks and disappear.
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Oct 1, 2009 10:02 AM
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Besides, we are still in the last throes of a recession. Folks need hobbies!
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Posted by: sullidave on Oct 1, 2009 10:29 AM
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The BS in Washington makes a fertile ground for conspiracy theories. Also, it is only a theory if it isn't true.
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Posted by: lmwilker on Oct 1, 2009 11:50 AM
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Posted by: skepticgod on Oct 1, 2009 11:54 AM
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This article is fascist, anti-protests, anti-critical thinking. And this article legitmizes every thing that the US government does, and satanizes all critical thinking.
Even Karl Marx was a conspiracy theorist. Even Jesus Christ was a conspiracy theorist.
Everybody in this world who critisizes some thing that is wrong is a conspiracy theorist in a way.
So by satanizing conspiracy theories this article legimitizes The Israeli Lobby, The Military Industrial Complex And the crooked Jews that own and rule USA
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Posted by: oregoncharles on Oct 1, 2009 11:54 AM
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Boy, is that going deep for excuses. Deep in the manure, that is.
Nothing can hobble Democratic control of this government but the Dems themselves. They have it all.
They also have no excuses, so we get B.S. like this to cover up for them.
Don't fall for it. What you see is what you get. This is the Democratic Party agenda, out there naked for all to see. The Republicans and the wing-nuts don't matter. That's why they're so frantic.
Why aren't you?
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Posted by: MotherLodeBeth on Oct 1, 2009 1:02 PM
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Or those on the left who swore that FEMA centers were being set up so the last administration could round up those whom they didn't like? Or that New Orleans levies were intentionally weakened so when Katrina hit more blacks would be killed?
Nut cases on all side of an issue come from both the right and left. Heck listen to CoastToCoastAm that Art Bell started decades ago and listen to the (start Twilight Zone music here) wild topics they discuss.
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Posted by: dover23 on Oct 1, 2009 1:57 PM
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Posted by: kogwonton on Oct 1, 2009 2:55 PM
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"The core narrative of many popular conspiracy theories is that “the people” are held down by a conspiracy of wealthy secret elites manipulating a vast legion of corrupt politicians, mendacious journalists, propagandizing schoolteachers, nefarious bankers and hidden subversive cadres."
I mean, maybe the jist of this article is correct, as concerns Obama's nazi communism or his illuminati Kenyan agenda, but this particular quote seems out of place, simply because it is so damned TRUE. As for the 'propagandizing schoolteachers' part, I'm already pissed off that certain interpretations events of the recent past, whose perpetrators are as yet supremely ambiguous, are being taught as historic facts in my own children's schools. But I could simply get into the propaganda taught in university economics courses.
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Posted by: dealmeinfo2 on Oct 1, 2009 7:20 PM
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Posted by: james108 on Oct 1, 2009 7:26 PM
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If the plan wasn't to gut Medicare while callng it savings, and emphasize senior's "do not resuscitate" options, there wouldn't be the same concern.
We know the democrats ignore liberals, calling them radicals. Who can honestly believe they're listenng to conservative concerns either? They listen to the powerful business interests of different sectors. That's not the sAme thing as listening to both sides. Obama's bipartisan is to ignore liberals and conservatives, and open things to the highest bidder.
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Posted by: Dickinseattl on Oct 1, 2009 7:42 PM
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For a better perspective try Michael Parenti (Talks and DVD's available from TUC Radio Who has a good talk on Conspiracies as well as the Kennedy assassination ("JFK" The Gangster Nature of the State"), a great and revealing talk. On talk radio we only have Peter B. Collins, though on rare occassions "Coast to Coast" has a legitiment conspiracy discussion with a knowledgable guest perhaps one or two times a year. (You see the real ones are by the Right and that gets awkward for most talk radio shows, and, as a consequence of our media, even for the alternative Left shows. (It's become an act of courage to speak the truth in this country today) A good website for information is CTKA, though not fully active now. Real History Archives is another good site in similar status. Check them out and be surprised at their thoroughness. Oil Empire is good for broad overviews. Until we create a real media, instead of a complicit spin machine for the Establishment and corporate interests, the criminals on the Right will continue to run our plutocracy.
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Posted by: rtdrury on Oct 1, 2009 8:28 PM
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The "tool of fear" dualism, seeing the world in a binary model, "in which the forces of good struggle against the forces of evil" happens to be an extremely valuable tool of mass self-determination. The public interests are the forces of good. Elite interests are the forces of evil. Now who is going to argue with this? I sense that nobody can argue with it, and still, most liberals are ready to ignore it and cling instead to.. well, nothing. Alternet has no viable alternative model. And so liberals remain in their liberal limbo like the conservatives remain in their conservative limbo. And this is exactly how the elites want the people - in limbo, unable to join together to finally stomp out the elite establishment.
Obviously the way to emancipate the people from elite oppression is for the people to embrace their common interests, join together, and form a united front against the elite establishment. Start by shifting your individual exchange/association away from the elites' power centers and toward your local community.
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Posted by: jtoman on Oct 2, 2009 2:42 AM
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"Many of these false claims recall those floated by right-wing conspiracy theorists in the armed citizens’ militia movement "
What a slur. A president that cannot even prove he is an American; who despises the Constitution and is dismantling the country with paying off his friends on Wall Street and is in hands with the corporate pill makers and you think it is some conspiracy.
Wise up. When two or more conspire together to accomplish some goal, it is a conspiracy. That is what conspire is all about. But then, you may have gone to some government school or collage and certainly know differently.
I am not sure we have had a "president" that has not been connected to the British Empire. "this constitution and the TREATIES are the law of the land" and the treaties are how we pay back the City of London banking cartel.
But then that is just a conspiracy theory even though founded in FACTS of HISTORY.
Well, just like your dollar bill that is a debt note with all the emblems on it - that certainly is no conspiracy, even though it was planned long before you were born.
But blame it all on conspirator theorists. Who know history and care not about your current stupid problems. Americans get exactly what they deserve in government and religion and morals.
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Posted by: fredtowson on Oct 16, 2009 10:18 AM
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We know the democrats ignore liberals, calling them radicals. Who can honestly believe they're listenng to conservative concerns either? They listen to the powerful business interests of different sectors. That's not the sAme thing as listening to both sides. Obama's bipartisan is to ignore liberals and путешествия путешественникам мир авиации кино постеры постеры к фильмам seropol5 conservatives, and open things to the highest bidder.
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Posted by: femtobeam on Oct 1, 2009 1:05 AM
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The Moon owned Wash Times created that story about John Kerry as it was he who was investigating the BCCI affair, a still open and unproven case by the FBI.
It seems he takes a clue directly out of the book from George Orwell's 1984, "The Theory of Oligarchal Collectivism".
The Moon "ministry of love" is a brain interfaced abstinence program under the NIH, even though his daughter in law, his former partner Park, the Government of North Korea who imprisoned him twice for sexual crimes, all say that Moon abuses women. Parks book was called, "The Six Marys".
He spent time in a US prison for fraud, yet he was crowned King in the Dirkson Office Building. His mind control program may reach further and higher than what has been publicized. He certainly had access to the technology for it. He may be the original Manchurian Candidate brainwasher.
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Posted by: jooljetkmae on Oct 1, 2009 1:30 AM
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...except when it came to passing NAFTA, Welfare Reform, the Crime Bill, the Salvage Logging Rider, the war against Serbia, and the right was hardly stopping Gore from implementing "reinventing government", etc.,. Yes, the government was bogged down all right during Clinton time if you were looking for a progressive agenda, and you can blame Clinton for that.
...the right-wing media demagogues, corporate political operatives, Christian right theocrats, and economic libertarians have targeted healthcare reform and succeeded in sidetracking the public option and single-payer proposals....
Baucus and Obama have killed any public options. The Democrats control the Congress with a filibuster proof majority in the Senate, so I get tired of this line that it's the fault of the right that any public health care option was killed by the Republican right. The Democrats did it this time, just like Hillary killed health care reform 16 years ago.
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Posted by: photon's feather on Oct 1, 2009 2:29 AM
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Some very good points, but just as the right he criticizes go too far in seeing conspiracies everywhere, so does Mr Berlet go too far in dismissing problematic behaviors by calling them conspiracies.
Yes, we should 'challeng[e] an unfair economic system run on behalf of corporate and public interests,' but who exactly does Mr Berlet think is running that system, if not the banksters and Wall Street power brokers and their bought-and-paid-for Congress? True, the current economic crisis was not caused by secret wealthy elite acting conspiratorially; it was caused by not-so-secret banksters and Washington, working hand-in-hand, tearing down regulation quite publicly.
Not every concerted effort is a conspiracy, and concerted efforts should not be blithely dismissed by labeling them as such.
I don't have Obama's back and I never will. He advertises himself as a progressive, but he's not even the centrist Mr Berlet claims. His policies are much too far to the right. He's a militarist and a corporatist. He obviously loves power: he hasn't made any moves to give up Bush's un-Constitutionally grabbed powers.
His speech on health care: what a dud - though not nearly as bad as his actions.
As stated in the article, this hysterical nonsense preceded his inauguration - but it didn't prevent him from pushing through his Wall Street Giveaway or from expanding the war in Afghanistan (or bombing Pakistan).
Funny how the right-wing loonies' ability to hinder Obama varies in sync with his goals. (Ditto for the Democratic majority in Congress.)
The hysteria on the right is going to continue unabated, so why don't the Dems in Congress just push through progressive legislation? The squawking couldn't get much louder. No, wait, could it possibly be that the Dems don't want to pass progressive legislation?
Condemn the loonies, by all means. (I certainly do.) But don't use them as cover for Obama's lousy record. It's cheap and cowardly.
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Oct 1, 2009 2:33 AM
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Think about this. The O-holes used smears against fellow Democrats to win a primary. They are party traitors.
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Posted by: geometeer on Oct 1, 2009 3:05 AM
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I saw nothing, later, on how those conspiracies had come out.
There do exist conspiracies, and theories, on all sides, but conspiracy theory is easier than conspiracy practice.
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Posted by: dada on Oct 1, 2009 3:06 AM
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This must be a conspiracy theory, huh?
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Posted by: David Macko on Oct 1, 2009 3:19 AM
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We shouldn't be too worried about conspiracy theories. We should be much more concerned about conspiracy facts.
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Posted by: Nitestallion on Oct 1, 2009 3:23 AM
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Paranoia does not begin to describe the emotion I feel. George W. Bush is a monster. For all his charm and down home mannerisms he is pure educated evil!
Now we have Obama following in his footsteps. The things he has done (or not done) for the health of the elderly and children is deplorable. This is not "Theory" it is fact, the plan he had for placing on the discussion table has taken a back seat to this illegal involvement in Afghanistan.
When am I going to learn that electing a President, does not necessarily gaurentee his fealty to his own party. This makes me livid but also scares the death out of me.
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Posted by: dada on Oct 1, 2009 3:33 AM
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"The attacks and oppression generated by this populist white rage, however, is painfully felt by people lower on the socio-economic ladder, and historically this has been people of color, immigrants and other marginalized groups.
"It is this overarching counter-subversive conspiracy theory that has mobilized so many people; and the clueless Democrats have been caught unaware by the tactics of right-wing populism used successfully for the last 100 years and chronicled by dozens of authors.
"Conspiracism frames demonized enemies 'as part of a vast insidious plot against the common good, while it valorizes the scapegoater as a hero for sounding the alarm.'
"Vigorous social movements pull political movements and politicians in their direction — not the other way around. We need to raise some hell in the streets and in the suites."
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Aah, the poor “clueless Democrats” have to defend themselves against those “evil, right-wingers,” don't they?
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Posted by: DHFabian on Oct 1, 2009 4:48 AM
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I want to see face-to-face discussions. Fear is like a cockroach -- shine a light on it, and it runs for cover. I want to see the fear-mongers publicly sit down with their opponents to dissect those dark, vague allegations. I want them to define just what it is that they are railing against, and shine some facts on those fears. Why not sit Beck or
Limbaugh (or any right-wing spokesperson) down with Keith Olbermann to examine those issues that are driving the "town-hallers"? Let's see if there is anything, absolutely anything, to the opposition to Obama beyond those delusions about Obama somehow being a threatening "outsider".
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Posted by: snowhound on Oct 1, 2009 5:40 AM
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For these left-wing writers to continually bash the right is like rapists criticizing a murderer. This country was designed under the frame of the Constitution because the smart people who wrote it were well aware of the danger of a power grabbing central government. Maybe some of the so called tea baggers are misguided; most of them are people that are fed up with governments wasteful spending and corruption. Power corrupts. All free societies follow the same general path. Freedom to Corporatism to Socialism. The later two can both be defined as Fascism. Corporatism was officially bred in 1913 when the Federal Reserve Act was enacted. The best way to reign in big government is to End the Fed. That should be our main focus.
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GOP'S KILLING FLOOR
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"Our only political party has two right wings, one called Republican, the other Democratic. But Henry Adams figured all that out back in the 1890s. 'We have a single system,' he wrote, and 'in that system the only question is the price at which the proletariat is to be bought and sold, the bread and circuses.'" : Gore Vidal - The Decline and Fall of the American Empire
BOTTOM LINE...
'We are watching a poorly staged rendition of Wag the Dog, interpreted for the morbidly stupid and performed by the criminally insane." - Jules Carlysle
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Oct 1, 2009 6:16 AM
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Another text book example of how these people are not only dumber than dog shit, they're insane.
It's ironic: they used to seem so comical. This isn't really funny anymore - or, at the very least - not quite as funny as it used to be.
It's interesting, in the twenties, Hitler and the Nazis seemed to be comic relief as well. With in time, however, the joke was over. If these assholes ever come to power again, the party's over.
On that happy note....
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Posted by: Bushmaster on Oct 1, 2009 7:41 AM
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These people have loads of enemies and loads of fear. They are easily manipulated by those they consider authority figures on the basis of those enemies and fears.
They have their version of the ACLU which is the ACLJ that promotes their hysteria and fear which defines the environment they choose to live in. I love to listen to them. They use demagoguery in a way you might expect to hear in any fanatical group that feels itself oppressed. The ACLJ comes across, at least to me, as foaming at the mouth hysterical haranguing. But to these people it is the canary in the cave giving it's last flutter before an imminent disaster.
Goes to show that what you believe does indeed create an external reality.
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Posted by: bcainw on Oct 1, 2009 7:56 AM
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We are living in a matrix whereby the media uses the control of information/knowledge to keep our "eyes wide shut."
Obama has betrayed the people: acting as a wolf in sheeps clothing. We had better wake the f**k up right now if we have any hope of preserving this republic.
This author has his head all the way up his own ass. Yes it is true that the "tea parties" have been co-opted by neo-con backers who want open borders, a North American Union and the destruction of the American Middle Class.
But such tactics are born to fail. The cauldron is beginning to boil and the revolution is beginning to grow legs. Let us just hope against historic precedent, that the "change we believe in" can be attained without violence. Let goodness help us all.
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Posted by: harryf200 on Oct 1, 2009 8:19 AM
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It's a bit like giving monkeys in the zoo loaded guns to play with...
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Posted by: thethinkingman on Oct 1, 2009 8:43 AM
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What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
What is shocking though, is how the author can argue that this right wing behavior is wrong yet he doesn't see that he argued for it when the left was out of office.
I still say, as a non American looking on from Africa, that the left wing media was just as abusive towards Bush ( and continue to be even now) as the left claims the right wing media is towards Obama.
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Posted by: ClassAct on Oct 1, 2009 9:10 AM
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It might also be argued that conspiracies involving elites are in fact nothing but childishly simplistic versions of the arguments for class domination. It is the immature and conservative version of those same arguments advanced by Marx and Engels. Elites certainly exist and they certainly hold meetings where they engage in policy planning, the terms of which become the consensus for debate within the beltway, for the policy publications, and for those in the media who aspire to become commentators for the most prominent outlets.
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Posted by: pbutler on Oct 1, 2009 9:50 AM
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Please specify.
... the recent book, Eyes Right! Challenging the Right Wing Backlash (South End Press), from which this article was drawn.
How can an article "drawn" from a book published in 1999 ("recent"?) describe the information given in the quote from the preceding question?
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Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Oct 1, 2009 9:57 AM
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Furthermore, Obama popped onto the presidential scene basically out of nowhere! Do we really know this man's background???
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Posted by: Lara1967 on Oct 1, 2009 9:58 AM
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But now that Obama is president and he is doing the EXACT SAME THING and worst. These democraps are not doing any advocating, they are NOT protesting aginst the wars and crimes against humanity or anything that Obama is doing, which is exactly like Bush, except they are agreeing with Obama and using the stupid race card to justify their stupid reasons for being hypocritics...
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Posted by: Delphi on Oct 1, 2009 9:59 AM
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These "American idiots" who are in the minority should be ignored.
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They will slide under their rocks and disappear.
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Oct 1, 2009 10:02 AM
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Besides, we are still in the last throes of a recession. Folks need hobbies!
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Posted by: sullidave on Oct 1, 2009 10:29 AM
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The BS in Washington makes a fertile ground for conspiracy theories. Also, it is only a theory if it isn't true.
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Posted by: lmwilker on Oct 1, 2009 11:50 AM
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Posted by: skepticgod on Oct 1, 2009 11:54 AM
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This article is fascist, anti-protests, anti-critical thinking. And this article legitmizes every thing that the US government does, and satanizes all critical thinking.
Even Karl Marx was a conspiracy theorist. Even Jesus Christ was a conspiracy theorist.
Everybody in this world who critisizes some thing that is wrong is a conspiracy theorist in a way.
So by satanizing conspiracy theories this article legimitizes The Israeli Lobby, The Military Industrial Complex And the crooked Jews that own and rule USA
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Posted by: oregoncharles on Oct 1, 2009 11:54 AM
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Boy, is that going deep for excuses. Deep in the manure, that is.
Nothing can hobble Democratic control of this government but the Dems themselves. They have it all.
They also have no excuses, so we get B.S. like this to cover up for them.
Don't fall for it. What you see is what you get. This is the Democratic Party agenda, out there naked for all to see. The Republicans and the wing-nuts don't matter. That's why they're so frantic.
Why aren't you?
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Posted by: MotherLodeBeth on Oct 1, 2009 1:02 PM
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Or those on the left who swore that FEMA centers were being set up so the last administration could round up those whom they didn't like? Or that New Orleans levies were intentionally weakened so when Katrina hit more blacks would be killed?
Nut cases on all side of an issue come from both the right and left. Heck listen to CoastToCoastAm that Art Bell started decades ago and listen to the (start Twilight Zone music here) wild topics they discuss.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb
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Posted by: kogwonton on Oct 1, 2009 2:55 PM
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"The core narrative of many popular conspiracy theories is that “the people” are held down by a conspiracy of wealthy secret elites manipulating a vast legion of corrupt politicians, mendacious journalists, propagandizing schoolteachers, nefarious bankers and hidden subversive cadres."
I mean, maybe the jist of this article is correct, as concerns Obama's nazi communism or his illuminati Kenyan agenda, but this particular quote seems out of place, simply because it is so damned TRUE. As for the 'propagandizing schoolteachers' part, I'm already pissed off that certain interpretations events of the recent past, whose perpetrators are as yet supremely ambiguous, are being taught as historic facts in my own children's schools. But I could simply get into the propaganda taught in university economics courses.
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Posted by: james108 on Oct 1, 2009 7:26 PM
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If the plan wasn't to gut Medicare while callng it savings, and emphasize senior's "do not resuscitate" options, there wouldn't be the same concern.
We know the democrats ignore liberals, calling them radicals. Who can honestly believe they're listenng to conservative concerns either? They listen to the powerful business interests of different sectors. That's not the sAme thing as listening to both sides. Obama's bipartisan is to ignore liberals and conservatives, and open things to the highest bidder.
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Posted by: Dickinseattl on Oct 1, 2009 7:42 PM
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For a better perspective try Michael Parenti (Talks and DVD's available from TUC Radio Who has a good talk on Conspiracies as well as the Kennedy assassination ("JFK" The Gangster Nature of the State"), a great and revealing talk. On talk radio we only have Peter B. Collins, though on rare occassions "Coast to Coast" has a legitiment conspiracy discussion with a knowledgable guest perhaps one or two times a year. (You see the real ones are by the Right and that gets awkward for most talk radio shows, and, as a consequence of our media, even for the alternative Left shows. (It's become an act of courage to speak the truth in this country today) A good website for information is CTKA, though not fully active now. Real History Archives is another good site in similar status. Check them out and be surprised at their thoroughness. Oil Empire is good for broad overviews. Until we create a real media, instead of a complicit spin machine for the Establishment and corporate interests, the criminals on the Right will continue to run our plutocracy.
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Posted by: rtdrury on Oct 1, 2009 8:28 PM
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The "tool of fear" dualism, seeing the world in a binary model, "in which the forces of good struggle against the forces of evil" happens to be an extremely valuable tool of mass self-determination. The public interests are the forces of good. Elite interests are the forces of evil. Now who is going to argue with this? I sense that nobody can argue with it, and still, most liberals are ready to ignore it and cling instead to.. well, nothing. Alternet has no viable alternative model. And so liberals remain in their liberal limbo like the conservatives remain in their conservative limbo. And this is exactly how the elites want the people - in limbo, unable to join together to finally stomp out the elite establishment.
Obviously the way to emancipate the people from elite oppression is for the people to embrace their common interests, join together, and form a united front against the elite establishment. Start by shifting your individual exchange/association away from the elites' power centers and toward your local community.
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Posted by: jtoman on Oct 2, 2009 2:42 AM
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"Many of these false claims recall those floated by right-wing conspiracy theorists in the armed citizens’ militia movement "
What a slur. A president that cannot even prove he is an American; who despises the Constitution and is dismantling the country with paying off his friends on Wall Street and is in hands with the corporate pill makers and you think it is some conspiracy.
Wise up. When two or more conspire together to accomplish some goal, it is a conspiracy. That is what conspire is all about. But then, you may have gone to some government school or collage and certainly know differently.
I am not sure we have had a "president" that has not been connected to the British Empire. "this constitution and the TREATIES are the law of the land" and the treaties are how we pay back the City of London banking cartel.
But then that is just a conspiracy theory even though founded in FACTS of HISTORY.
Well, just like your dollar bill that is a debt note with all the emblems on it - that certainly is no conspiracy, even though it was planned long before you were born.
But blame it all on conspirator theorists. Who know history and care not about your current stupid problems. Americans get exactly what they deserve in government and religion and morals.
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Posted by: fredtowson on Oct 16, 2009 10:18 AM
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We know the democrats ignore liberals, calling them radicals. Who can honestly believe they're listenng to conservative concerns either? They listen to the powerful business interests of different sectors. That's not the sAme thing as listening to both sides. Obama's bipartisan is to ignore liberals and путешествия путешественникам мир авиации кино постеры постеры к фильмам seropol5 conservatives, and open things to the highest bidder.
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