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According to Obama Global Capitalism Is an 'Abstraction,' Not Worth Protesting

Does the president not know that these things are tied to "concrete, local, immediate issues that have an impact on people's lives"?
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On the eve of the G-20 summit last week, President Barack Obama gave a long interview to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, in which he said that even during his days as a community organizer in Chicago he was never a big fan of mass protests.

With the clear intention of discouraging those who might join the looming demonstrations against the G-20, Obama explained that he was always a believer that "focusing on concrete, local, immediate issues that have an impact on people's lives is what really makes a difference; and that having protests about abstractions [such] as global capitalism or something, generally is not really going to make much of a difference."    

While I personally never jumped on the Obama bandwagon, such a flippant dismissal of protest by the president is disappointing nevertheless, and slightly reminiscent of how his predecessor wrote off the millions who took to the streets before the invasion of Iraq.

Post-Gazette columnist Tony Norman noted in response: "Of course, Mr. Obama's answer would be news to those who marched in countless civil rights, women's rights and anti-war demonstrations over the decades. It would also be news to those who filled stadiums to hear candidate Obama's stump speeches in 2008."

Not surprisingly, his remarks were also not well received by the protesters who had arrived in Pittsburgh.

"You have revealed the real Obama!" Clarence Thomas, a member of the International Longshore and Warehouse Union, said during a rally demanding new jobs programs, according to the Wall Street Journal. He said the president's statement was "very, very disrespectful" to the civil rights and other social movements.

For all of his flaws, Obama is clearly an intelligent person who must have known better.

It would not have taken an incredible investigative feat to discover that the protesters descending upon Pittsburgh were doing so for very "concrete" reasons that touch their daily lives in very real ways.

They came to advocate for greater assistance for everyday people during these tough economic times, for more serious government action on global warming ahead of the U.N. climate talks in Copenhagen, Denmark, and for an end to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that have already taken such a staggering human and financial toll.

In fact, as a general rule of thumb, most people -- whether they are diehard activists or not -- don't normally travel great distances to face ominous riot police firing rubber bullets, pepper spray and deafening sound cannons, unless they have been deeply, personally affected the issues being protested.

And given the global financial meltdown that has hit working people so hard, can anyone really say that those who critique the entire capitalist system don't have a point?

Rather than being a mere "abstraction," as Obama claimed, capitalism is an economic system that functions on a set of rules that we created, which inevitably leads to massive inequalities between the haves and have-nots and the easily avoidable deaths of millions around the world every year who simply cannot afford basic medical care or food. It rewards greed and is based on a belief that continual, limitless economic growth is not only possible, but necessary.

The planet's atmosphere and natural resources, however, are finite and being quickly exhausted by the developed world's gluttonous consumption.

In his new book, All My Bones Shake, Robert Jensen succinctly sums up our predicament: "Capitalism is fundamentally inhuman, antidemocratic and unsustainable. Capitalism has given those of us in the First World lots of stuff (though much of it of questionable value) in exchange for our souls, for our hope for progressive politics, and for the possibility of a decent future for children. Either we change or we die -- spiritually, politically, literally."

Obama's dismissal of mass nonviolent action was disingenuous for other reasons as well. Behind his desk in his Senate office, Obama prominently displayed pictures of Mahatma Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr.

In an interview last year, he explained that the portraits were there "to remind me that real results will not just come from Washington, they will come from the people." And only weeks before the G-20, during his "controversial" address to school children, the president brought up Gandhi, calling him "a real hero of mine."

Could anyone possibly argue with a straight face that King, who was killed while planning the Poor People's Campaign, would not be on the streets with those calling for economic justice? Would Gandhi not oppose the diversion of $700 billion this year from meeting people's basic needs to fund the Pentagon and the military occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan?

The interview with Obama also revealed a growing chasm between his approach to social movements and that of Franklin D. Roosevelt, to whom he is widely compared.

After listening to the concerns of the legendary labor organizer and civil rights leader A. Philip Randolph during a meeting, as the famous and perhaps apocryphal story goes, FDR replied: "I agree with everything that you've said, including my capacity to be able to right many of these wrongs and to use my power and the bully pulpit ... But I would ask one thing of you, Mr. Randolph, and that is go out and make me do it."

During his presidential campaign, Obama even used this story. He told his supporters that he was just one person who could not make the changes they wanted to see by himself. Obama's final message was clear: "Make me do it."

Now that Obama is in the White House, however, he is singing a different tune. Rather than encouraging grassroots protest to help push the public debate and further a progressive legislative agenda as Roosevelt did, Obama is unfortunately publicly trying to quash pressure from the left.

As a counter to the recent mobilization of right-wing tea-baggers, it would seem that now is as good a time as ever for the president to embrace the protesters who are championing at least some of the causes that he once claimed to believe in.

Instead, Obama disgracefully sent in the militarized police -- with the National Guard on the ready -- to silence their dissent.

Eric Stoner is an adjunct professor at St. Peter's College and an editor for Waging Nonviolence. His articles have appeared in the Guardian, Mother Jones and The Nation, among other publications.
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It's not the ism
Posted by: RichWa on Sep 29, 2009 3:09 PM   
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The "ism" really doesn't make much of a difference. What matters is whom we allow to take charge. The end result under capitalism is the same as under socialism, is the same under feudalism, is the same under.. if the same people hold the power.
What is required is a fundamental shift in our culture away from the current value system. Take a gander at the Constitution of the Iroquois Nations and the Navajo concept of harmony.

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In other words...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Sep 29, 2009 6:54 PM   
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... you peons might as well save your breath. I'm not going to do anything to stop this or alter it and neither is any other politician. You didn't ask for this, you don't want it, it exploits you as well as workers all over the rest of the world for the benefit of the wealthy... but you better just get used to it, because we aren't listening to you at all.

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the REAL abstractions
Posted by: swansong on Sep 29, 2009 8:55 PM   
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the hope and change you so boldly championed less than a year ago have now been abstracted into continued war spending, banker bailouts, half-ass attempts at financial and healthcare reform (ie, reforming the way we traditionally view "reform", which is now entirely pro-corporate interest, a tactic continued from the Bush administration), double digit unemployment, and a still tentative approach toward climate change.

I want to believe... but statements like this really hammer home the reality that cutthroat capitalists are the ones who rule our country, and our president doesn't have the backbone to stand up to them.

Despite all the talk Mr. Obama, there is far more you must do to live up to your promises, and the worst thing you can say is that the base of people who supported you are imagining things, that we are overreacting. Yes sir, capitalism is really a sheep in wolf's clothing, and we ought to trust you that we don't know any better.

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Great Article by Eric Stoner ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Sep 30, 2009 11:55 PM   
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Eric really put together the hypocricy that is Barack Obama ...

Very well documented, very well written and well thought out ...

Thank You Eric ...

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Just check out his appointments in finance
Posted by: sicntired on Oct 1, 2009 2:51 AM   
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If you see the kind of mess that existed when Obama took over,just after the Bush bailouts(TARP)would you appoint some of the very men responsible for the crash in the first place and expect them to suddenly find their moral center?Look at what they have done and at the mess that still exists.Who profited and who took a beating?Who was helped and who got no help at all?

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Be Wise, Decentralize
Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy on Oct 1, 2009 3:28 AM   
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FREE AMERICA

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Capitalism IS an abstraction
Posted by: ProfBob on Oct 1, 2009 3:42 AM   
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Capitalism, democracy, religion and ethics are all abstractions. But there are concrete issues within each that can be clarified, and perhaps demonstrated for or against, like low wages, the influence of bankers, voting rights, or allowing homosexual priests.
If there is a problem with Obama it is probably that his superior education, logic, and access to the facts is so far above those who he governs.

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Context
Posted by: login@bugmenot.com on Oct 1, 2009 4:55 AM   
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Within the context of the mainstream media and the way information is disseminated to the masses in this day and age, Obama is absolutely right. That is to say that, given the media's dismissal of the protesters at the G-20 as mere "anarchists", the impact their protest achieves is counterproductive.

However, had the system not been rigged - so to speak - such protests and marches could very well have been as productive as civil rights marches and anti Vietnam war protests.

The 'police state' was formed in response to the 1960s civil rights/peace movement. Thus, 'police state' is essentially the convergence of mass media, corporate interests, military and financial interests.

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So when is somebody going to do something?
Posted by: ETSpoon on Oct 1, 2009 6:56 AM   
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Geezus, I've heard this anti-capitalist rhetoric for forty years or more and nobody has done anything.

Yeah, you have these college kids who show up at G8 and now G20 meetings wearing black tee-shirts, jeans and Nikes who call themselves "anarchists." All they ever do is piss of small business people, who hate globalization too, by disrupting their business. That really shows the capitalists!

Then, right here at Alternet.org I've suggested two new amendments, one stripping 14th Amendment protection from corporations and the other for public financing of all elections, and I'm told I'm nuts.

So what I'd like to know, when are the college kids in black tee-shirts, jeans and Nikes going to march on Aspen, CO, or San Jose, CA or wherever or whatever gated community where these CEOs, CFOs, COOs and the rest of the alphabet rats of corporate boardrooms live; drag'em out of their bedrooms and march'em off to re-education camps? When are the college kids in black tee-shirts, jeans and Nikes going to invade the Bohemian Grove in California when all the one-per-centers are gathered together for their arcane rituals?

Just do it!

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Thank you Alternet and Eric Stoner
Posted by: smf1403 on Oct 1, 2009 8:52 AM   
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Great article!

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We need Dennis Kucinich
Posted by: smf1403 on Oct 1, 2009 8:57 AM   
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What we need is a proven supporter of the people.

Dennis Kucinich is that person who will:

end war
end welfare for the rich
end nafta, wto
create peace department
enforce environmental regulations
provide single-payer healthcare

This will not happen without our supporting him with our voice and our money.

The majority of his donations are from the people which is what we want. As with all candidates, money and support is needed to be out there and to get on the ballot.

Dennis Kucinich has not let us down --
we continue to let ourselves down.

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Finally, a president who gets it. Or at least pays lip-service to reality.
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Oct 1, 2009 9:40 AM   
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Buzzwords that fire up fringies on either side of the so-called "debate" are not worth focusing on as far as policy goes.

Policies should be based on demonstrable data, and a full consideration of current impact, cost, and benefit, as well as the best predictors of the same in the future to the entire citizenry.

Policies should further be continually tested, empirically, rather than in the abstract, to determine whether they are achieving their goals.

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All Protest is Valid
Posted by: Vince Coit on Oct 1, 2009 11:03 AM   
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What is the extent of influence of the Clintons in the Obama administration? I don't know this. I know Emannuel was a Clinton supporter, not much else. This should be reported on.

That statement from Obama about abstraction is astonishing. I wasn't ever really on the "Obama bandwagon" either, I supported Edwards, but mainly opposed Hillary.

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We are truly on our own.
Posted by: DaBear on Oct 1, 2009 1:05 PM   
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Rather than being a mere "abstraction," as Obama claimed, capitalism is an economic system that functions on a set of rules that we created,...

Um, who is "we"? I don't even remember being asked.

A well-thought out article with a solid reality check. But, "we" must all start being more accurate with our language, if language is to ever regain real meaning post-Bush/Cheney-Newspeak. "We" didn't choose capitalism, "we" inherited it from "they" who chose it and created it--"those" at the very top, the ruling and owning classes.

It's time "we" stop taking responsibility for horseshit "we" never made nor chose. The responsibility is "theirs" and "they" must be held to account, fully, for all of it.

Otherwise "integrity" is just another marketing term of the Great Amerikaan Empire.

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For the Future. New Party with a clear program
Posted by: Artra on Oct 1, 2009 7:16 PM   
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Campaigning without big mafia's sponsorship. Is that too much of a dream? I see no other way out. It means a lot to construct: a model of a new politcal system where societies majority determines on whichever issue it considers to be of its concern. A model alternative to capitalism. A route and several stage alternatives, broad enough to listen and join majorities always. For different reasons, of course taking apart his disdain and obtuse defense of his masters, it is a good point for reflexion. DEMONSTRATIONS ARE NOT ENOUGH TO REACH A DEEP CHANGE. THERE MUST BE NETS KNOWING WHAT TO CHANGE AND HOW: A NEW PARTY

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Don't blame the machine for the sins of the drivers
Posted by: DougWilson on Oct 2, 2009 6:50 AM   
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"Capitalism is fundamentally inhuman, antidemocratic and unsustainable." This ascribes moral judgment to a system which was not designed to employ any by itself. It's just a system, folks, and it continues to exist because its good effects outweigh the bad ones -- by far. In two centuries it has lifted societies using it out of poverty and into general affluence, and has allowed technology to relieve us from being beasts of burden and slaves to the land. And if you don't think so, walk away from what you've got and go back to the land and see how you like it.

Capitalism is this great organic beast that changes a lot and has immense power to do good or bad things. It does so much good that we're never going to kill it, so stop kidding yourself about that. The challenge is to harness it so that it doesn't do the bad things.

And that is where your anger should be focused -- on the pirates and gollums and greed monsters who want money and power concentrated in as few hands as possible, without restraint and without concern for the calamities they produce. It was mostly Republicans that brought the crash on us, but Democrats also voted to turn Wall Street into a casino by allowing deregulation of derivatives. Throw all out who refuse to harness the beast.

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Right on Eric!
Posted by: independentthinker on Oct 5, 2009 12:31 AM   
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Excellent article. Every time Obama opens his mouth his true nature and his lack of diverse life experience are exposed to anyone willing to look away from the media image and see the real man. His adolescent narcisissim blinds him to the seriousness of the threats facing us at home and abroad, and to his free-falling approval ratings.

For a better understanding of the Obamas, I found Culture of Corruption by Michelle Malkin to be informative.

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It's not the ism
Posted by: RichWa on Sep 29, 2009 3:09 PM   
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The "ism" really doesn't make much of a difference. What matters is whom we allow to take charge. The end result under capitalism is the same as under socialism, is the same under feudalism, is the same under.. if the same people hold the power.
What is required is a fundamental shift in our culture away from the current value system. Take a gander at the Constitution of the Iroquois Nations and the Navajo concept of harmony.

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In other words...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Sep 29, 2009 6:54 PM   
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... you peons might as well save your breath. I'm not going to do anything to stop this or alter it and neither is any other politician. You didn't ask for this, you don't want it, it exploits you as well as workers all over the rest of the world for the benefit of the wealthy... but you better just get used to it, because we aren't listening to you at all.

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the REAL abstractions
Posted by: swansong on Sep 29, 2009 8:55 PM   
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the hope and change you so boldly championed less than a year ago have now been abstracted into continued war spending, banker bailouts, half-ass attempts at financial and healthcare reform (ie, reforming the way we traditionally view "reform", which is now entirely pro-corporate interest, a tactic continued from the Bush administration), double digit unemployment, and a still tentative approach toward climate change.

I want to believe... but statements like this really hammer home the reality that cutthroat capitalists are the ones who rule our country, and our president doesn't have the backbone to stand up to them.

Despite all the talk Mr. Obama, there is far more you must do to live up to your promises, and the worst thing you can say is that the base of people who supported you are imagining things, that we are overreacting. Yes sir, capitalism is really a sheep in wolf's clothing, and we ought to trust you that we don't know any better.

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Great Article by Eric Stoner ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Sep 30, 2009 11:55 PM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Eric really put together the hypocricy that is Barack Obama ...

Very well documented, very well written and well thought out ...

Thank You Eric ...

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Just check out his appointments in finance
Posted by: sicntired on Oct 1, 2009 2:51 AM   
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If you see the kind of mess that existed when Obama took over,just after the Bush bailouts(TARP)would you appoint some of the very men responsible for the crash in the first place and expect them to suddenly find their moral center?Look at what they have done and at the mess that still exists.Who profited and who took a beating?Who was helped and who got no help at all?

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Be Wise, Decentralize
Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy on Oct 1, 2009 3:28 AM   
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FREE AMERICA

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Capitalism IS an abstraction
Posted by: ProfBob on Oct 1, 2009 3:42 AM   
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Capitalism, democracy, religion and ethics are all abstractions. But there are concrete issues within each that can be clarified, and perhaps demonstrated for or against, like low wages, the influence of bankers, voting rights, or allowing homosexual priests.
If there is a problem with Obama it is probably that his superior education, logic, and access to the facts is so far above those who he governs.

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Context
Posted by: login@bugmenot.com on Oct 1, 2009 4:55 AM   
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Within the context of the mainstream media and the way information is disseminated to the masses in this day and age, Obama is absolutely right. That is to say that, given the media's dismissal of the protesters at the G-20 as mere "anarchists", the impact their protest achieves is counterproductive.

However, had the system not been rigged - so to speak - such protests and marches could very well have been as productive as civil rights marches and anti Vietnam war protests.

The 'police state' was formed in response to the 1960s civil rights/peace movement. Thus, 'police state' is essentially the convergence of mass media, corporate interests, military and financial interests.

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So when is somebody going to do something?
Posted by: ETSpoon on Oct 1, 2009 6:56 AM   
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Geezus, I've heard this anti-capitalist rhetoric for forty years or more and nobody has done anything.

Yeah, you have these college kids who show up at G8 and now G20 meetings wearing black tee-shirts, jeans and Nikes who call themselves "anarchists." All they ever do is piss of small business people, who hate globalization too, by disrupting their business. That really shows the capitalists!

Then, right here at Alternet.org I've suggested two new amendments, one stripping 14th Amendment protection from corporations and the other for public financing of all elections, and I'm told I'm nuts.

So what I'd like to know, when are the college kids in black tee-shirts, jeans and Nikes going to march on Aspen, CO, or San Jose, CA or wherever or whatever gated community where these CEOs, CFOs, COOs and the rest of the alphabet rats of corporate boardrooms live; drag'em out of their bedrooms and march'em off to re-education camps? When are the college kids in black tee-shirts, jeans and Nikes going to invade the Bohemian Grove in California when all the one-per-centers are gathered together for their arcane rituals?

Just do it!

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Thank you Alternet and Eric Stoner
Posted by: smf1403 on Oct 1, 2009 8:52 AM   
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Great article!

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We need Dennis Kucinich
Posted by: smf1403 on Oct 1, 2009 8:57 AM   
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What we need is a proven supporter of the people.

Dennis Kucinich is that person who will:

end war
end welfare for the rich
end nafta, wto
create peace department
enforce environmental regulations
provide single-payer healthcare

This will not happen without our supporting him with our voice and our money.

The majority of his donations are from the people which is what we want. As with all candidates, money and support is needed to be out there and to get on the ballot.

Dennis Kucinich has not let us down --
we continue to let ourselves down.

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Finally, a president who gets it. Or at least pays lip-service to reality.
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Oct 1, 2009 9:40 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Buzzwords that fire up fringies on either side of the so-called "debate" are not worth focusing on as far as policy goes.

Policies should be based on demonstrable data, and a full consideration of current impact, cost, and benefit, as well as the best predictors of the same in the future to the entire citizenry.

Policies should further be continually tested, empirically, rather than in the abstract, to determine whether they are achieving their goals.

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All Protest is Valid
Posted by: Vince Coit on Oct 1, 2009 11:03 AM   
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What is the extent of influence of the Clintons in the Obama administration? I don't know this. I know Emannuel was a Clinton supporter, not much else. This should be reported on.

That statement from Obama about abstraction is astonishing. I wasn't ever really on the "Obama bandwagon" either, I supported Edwards, but mainly opposed Hillary.

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We are truly on our own.
Posted by: DaBear on Oct 1, 2009 1:05 PM   
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Rather than being a mere "abstraction," as Obama claimed, capitalism is an economic system that functions on a set of rules that we created,...

Um, who is "we"? I don't even remember being asked.

A well-thought out article with a solid reality check. But, "we" must all start being more accurate with our language, if language is to ever regain real meaning post-Bush/Cheney-Newspeak. "We" didn't choose capitalism, "we" inherited it from "they" who chose it and created it--"those" at the very top, the ruling and owning classes.

It's time "we" stop taking responsibility for horseshit "we" never made nor chose. The responsibility is "theirs" and "they" must be held to account, fully, for all of it.

Otherwise "integrity" is just another marketing term of the Great Amerikaan Empire.

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For the Future. New Party with a clear program
Posted by: Artra on Oct 1, 2009 7:16 PM   
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Campaigning without big mafia's sponsorship. Is that too much of a dream? I see no other way out. It means a lot to construct: a model of a new politcal system where societies majority determines on whichever issue it considers to be of its concern. A model alternative to capitalism. A route and several stage alternatives, broad enough to listen and join majorities always. For different reasons, of course taking apart his disdain and obtuse defense of his masters, it is a good point for reflexion. DEMONSTRATIONS ARE NOT ENOUGH TO REACH A DEEP CHANGE. THERE MUST BE NETS KNOWING WHAT TO CHANGE AND HOW: A NEW PARTY

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Don't blame the machine for the sins of the drivers
Posted by: DougWilson on Oct 2, 2009 6:50 AM   
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"Capitalism is fundamentally inhuman, antidemocratic and unsustainable." This ascribes moral judgment to a system which was not designed to employ any by itself. It's just a system, folks, and it continues to exist because its good effects outweigh the bad ones -- by far. In two centuries it has lifted societies using it out of poverty and into general affluence, and has allowed technology to relieve us from being beasts of burden and slaves to the land. And if you don't think so, walk away from what you've got and go back to the land and see how you like it.

Capitalism is this great organic beast that changes a lot and has immense power to do good or bad things. It does so much good that we're never going to kill it, so stop kidding yourself about that. The challenge is to harness it so that it doesn't do the bad things.

And that is where your anger should be focused -- on the pirates and gollums and greed monsters who want money and power concentrated in as few hands as possible, without restraint and without concern for the calamities they produce. It was mostly Republicans that brought the crash on us, but Democrats also voted to turn Wall Street into a casino by allowing deregulation of derivatives. Throw all out who refuse to harness the beast.

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Right on Eric!
Posted by: independentthinker on Oct 5, 2009 12:31 AM   
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Excellent article. Every time Obama opens his mouth his true nature and his lack of diverse life experience are exposed to anyone willing to look away from the media image and see the real man. His adolescent narcisissim blinds him to the seriousness of the threats facing us at home and abroad, and to his free-falling approval ratings.

For a better understanding of the Obamas, I found Culture of Corruption by Michelle Malkin to be informative.

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