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Overshadowed by Tea Party Movement, the Christian Right Scrambles to Claim It Isn't Racist
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At the religious right's Values Voter Summit this weekend, some of the air seemed to have gone out of the balloon.
Gathering at the Omni Shoreham in Washington, 1,800 activists and their leaders seemed resigned to being subsumed by the broader Tea Party movement, or rendered irrelevant by it.
This year's conference, sponsored by the political affiliate of the Family Research Council, emphasized matters important to Tea Party leaders: freedom was linked with free enterprise; ominous were warnings offered about a march to socialism; global warming was said to be a good thing; and taxes were deemed to be too high and largely misappropriated.
But these messages did not receive nearly the degree of enthusiasm from attendees as the traditional religious right decrees against abortion and same-sex marriage. And despite efforts to tread carefully on issues of race, one of the biggest laugh lines of the conference was the racially charged parable told by Rep. Roy Blunt, R-Mo., about the circumstances faced by Republicans in Congress, which he compared to having to play a ball thrown by a monkey.
Yet religious right leaders, who have long played to racial resentment, seem alarmed at how the overt racism of some of the Tea Partiers could harm their own movement -- decades in the making -- of politicized Christian evangelicals and conservative Catholics.
Even as some conference speakers sent coded racial messages, others cautioned the troops to extreme discipline on matters of race in their messaging, "lest we cast our movement," in the words of conference closer, the Rev. Harry Jackson, "... in a way that will cause people to think that we're something that we're not."
Make no mistake: The religious right is not going away. Evangelical churches still offer an unparalleled organizing tool for right-wing political operatives. But in the wake of the September 12 march on Washington, it's clear there's a new, big beefy kid in town: the Tea Party movement.
In many ways, the greater American culture has moved beyond the religious right. During its 30 years of existence, the religious right has failed to significantly move public opinion on legalized abortion, and it is losing its war on gay rights, even if it enjoys occasional, even major, victories on that front (as it did with Proposition 8, the 2008 California ballot measure that struck down same-sex marriage, which had been legalized by the courts).
An October 2008 survey conducted for Faith in Public Life found that among young, white evangelicals (age 18-34), "a majority favor either same-sex marriage (24 percent) or civil unions (28 percent)." In the same survey, Americans ranked abortion and same-sex marriage as the least important issues on the list interviewers offered them.
Enter the Tea Party movement, a broad-based conflagration of the white and angry, unbound by a need to appear Christlike in either agenda or comportment, whose inchoate grab bag of messages ultimately hang on the very issues named by pollsters as ranked most important by voters in the 2008 election: the economy, energy and gas prices and health care.
Racial resentment against America's first African American president may fuel the movement, but it is not the end-goal of its leaders, who seek nothing more than a completely deregulated marketplace. It was a tactic used more subtly, in years past, by religious right leaders, who find their religion-based movement now at risk of being subsumed by the fire they lit.
"Unfortunately, the very fine people who are the leaders of the Christian right, are responding -- they're in a reactive mode ... instead of laying out a long-term vision of victory based on a restoration of constitutional government and adherence to constitutional principles," Howard Phillips, one of the founders of the religious right, said in an interview I conducted with him on the eve of the Values Voter Summit.
So, what's a religious right leader to do?
Step One: Get with the Tea Party program.
Step Two: Encourage followers to venerate the Constitution -- or the religious right interpretation of it -- as a document written by the hand of God, playing into the Tea Party movement's promotion of certain constitutional amendments and its appropriation of the symbols of the American Revolution.
Step Three: Damage-control the Tea Party movement by sending out a message to lay off the overt racism.
The Teetotalers and the Tea Party
To the progressive eye, the Tea Party movement and the religious right look much the same. Both movements find their fervor in the anxiety and anger of middle-class, conservative white people who fear their own disempowerment by the changes under way in our culture.
The tipping points may vary between the various constituency groups within the two movements, but the operative force is fear of change. The religious right found its footing in opposition to feminism, civil rights and gay rights; the Tea Party movement builds on that list to include fear of the structural change taking place in the world (and there is much to fear): loss of American global hegemony, a struggling economy and the challenge to their idea of American identity as a nation epitomized by white men eager to light the torch of freedom throughout the world.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Sep 22, 2009 12:37 AM
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"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation then by deflation, the banks and the corporations will grow up around them, will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies."
Benjamin Franklin ~
""That is simple. In the Colonies we issue our own money. It is called Colonial Scrip. We issue it in proper proportion to the demands of trade and industry to make the products pass easily from the producers to the consumers. In this manner, creating for ourselves our own paper money, we control its purchasing power, and we have no interest to pay no one.""
John Adams ~
"Banks have done more injury to the religion, morality, tranquility, prosperity, and even wealth of the nation than they can have done or ever will do good."
Fact is, the left has more to gain from rediscovering the Founding Fathers than does the right. The teaching of history has become the hand maiden to the elites and the financial interests that perpetrate the biggest Ponzi Scheme in history on the people of the United States ... Fractional Reserve Banking and its institutionalization in the Federal Reserve in 1913 ...
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» More paranoia from Pelican Beak. He has no credibility. He hates JB based on his lies.
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» Don't listen to Pelican Beak, Jennifer. He is lying to you and conspiring with others !
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» RE: Third party to change things for the better? That's the biggest failure of all.
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» Well said, Pelican Beak.
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» Right! The Republican Party has interest whatsoever in dividing the Democratic Party.
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» What about the Blue Dog Democrats? They're dividing the party up.
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» RE: Christians in name only; They are not Christlike though!
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Posted by: Talleyrand on Sep 22, 2009 2:50 AM
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Sep 22, 2009 2:50 AM
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What a stunning observation--and it applies equally well to all of the political Right's activities over the last 30 years.
It really has been three decades of right-wing swill, hasn't it?
We now know that conservatives can't run the government to save their lives, but they are geniuses at gaming the political system and the media airwaves. Now megacorproations own all the news outlets and radio stations. Any lie they can make up is on everyone's lips within minutes.
Consider: There are no death panels, and yet everybody's talking about them. There is election theft, and yet nobody ever mentions it. America talks about what the Right wants it to talk about.
Any lefty knows what I mean. Wingers can say anything they please about Democrats, but Democrats have to walk on eggs the whole time. Democratic Presidents get investigated for nothing; Republicans can committ adultery, treason, and assorted mayhem--and yet they still run for office.
Until Obama, the Repubs could count on 5 to 10 times more money than the Democratic candidates had.
How's that for an unbelievably tilted playing field? And yet the Right are in shambles. Americans are as progressive as ever, if not moreso.
This must surely be caused by the Right's success in gaming the system. Apparently, having conservatives in power and hearing conservative viewpoints 24/7 actually turns people into Democrats!
I can't figure it any other way. Certainly the Democrats aren't in power because they did anything brilliant recently.
But what an irony. The very tactics honed and sharpened by our right-wing cousins is a major turn-off for normal people. Thank,you, wingnuts.
The only people converted by our right-controlled system are Barack Obama and the Democrats in Congress. They apparently think the neocons were right about everything and are busily fulfilling the promise of the Republican Revolution.
PS: Mr. Logan can't come to the phone right now, as he is feeling very Sad About the Young.
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Posted by: hzh2139 on Sep 22, 2009 2:51 AM
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Posted by: weathered on Sep 22, 2009 3:53 AM
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Take back the media - pull the plug, rent films, read other sources of news and Vote w/your Wallet, its the only thing the MSM monster understands. Its job is to Lie.
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Posted by: Urstrly on Sep 22, 2009 4:15 AM
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All I can add is that if the right is so wedded to the Founding Fathers, we must all take note that Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Franklin, Jackson and a few more held slaves. It may make us uncomfortable to think of them as racist, but the facts speak for themselves. Some things have improved since the founding.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Sep 22, 2009 5:13 AM
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So what did they do? True to character they just had to hire the dumbest black guy they could find.
Whenever the Republican party sets off to prove that they are not a party chock full of racists and fools, they only end up reinforcing the fact. It really is kind of funny when you think about it.
Rabid Blue Dogs
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» I agree, Tom. They did the same thing
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Posted by: jmmartin on Sep 22, 2009 5:16 AM
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What kills me is how the GOP base can attract such useful idiots as Michael Steel. They even have a half dozen or so spokespeople to go on the pundit programs. One wonders, if Obama were not president, would these same spokespeople be going on the pundit programs? If these token black Uncle Toms think they have any future in that party, or that they will become rich and successful by towing its line, they should have their heads examined. That party is working against the interests, and especially the welfare, of their people.
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Sep 22, 2009 6:25 AM
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Does it not occur to them that Heaven is here, right now, where we are? That taking care of each other, that is how we emulate the love that G-d has for us. I've never seen these people en masse lining up to either foster or adopt all of the children that are currently abused, neglected or have fallen through the cracks. So for all of the blathering about abortion and right to life - it's just that blathering! As for the small minded discriminatory ones, that group fear has already condemned themselves to their lives in a hell of their own making!
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Posted by: hzh2139 on Sep 22, 2009 6:32 AM
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Posted by: willymack on Sep 22, 2009 7:12 AM
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Religion has been woven into politics, despite the First Amendment guarantee of freedom FROM religion as well as freedom OF religion.
It's no coincidence that the south is the focal point of religious lunacy. They were a sick society which had to be crushed to end slavery and make our nation whole again, but they've never gotton over the loss,and in many ways, think and act as their ancestors did.
If you want to know how the persistence of bad ideas can screw up a nation, you need look no farther than right here.
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Posted by: reelectnoone on Sep 22, 2009 8:54 AM
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Both are ideologically blinded to any discussion about anything with anyone. They have both planted their feet in cement and their fingers in their ears to avoid logic or common sense...or even "christian like" beliefs.
Both sides are using hate and ignorance as tools to further their goals. Neither side cares one wit if their actions harm others.
But what is worse, in some ways, is that the "real" Christians and the "real" Muslim main stream remain so silent about the harm being caused to their faith by these win-at-all-cost radical elements. They are both far astray of doing good for all, and spend their time openly working to prevent good from being done for millions based on some altered state of "Christian" thinking.
Many if not most Christian Right people actively support Republican stances even though those are typically anti-worker, anti-health and very pro pushing more and more wealth into fewer and fewer hands at the expense of the middle "mostly Christian" class.
They are working to infuse their failed teachings into politics simply because they are unable to convince enough people to follow their teachings. They, like the Mullahs and Clerics, need outside forces to "mandate" for them the message they fail to get across to people willingly.
Some "Religious Right" have resorted to terrorism such as bombings and murder ( abortion clinics ) and the ongoing violence in Northern Ireland between Christian factions.
Blood shed by Christians to enforce their views is nothing new. History is full of madness and mayhem such as the Crusades, Inquisition and forced conversions to avoid execution..and so on.
One of the primary reasons America exists to day was due to Europeans fleeing religious oppression. This is why our founders constitutionally kept religion out of government. They knew first hand what can happen when a preacher gets his form of "religion" into political power.
Today's religious right seems to wax nostalgic for the days when they could demand your loyalty on pain of torture or death...or absent that, political pressure to accomplish what they fail to do in the church.
I have a greater fear for the effects of the far right "Christian" preachers than of any Muslim Cleric because they already have their "cells" indoctrinated here in the US and their hate-speech spewing preachers in place in churches and on the public airwaves where they can pollute us with even more hate.
I have always been wary of preachers and double so of those who cohort with politicians.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Sep 22, 2009 9:11 AM
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The ones brandishing Weapons, with armies of soldiers were the Romans.
Nor did Christ abhor the thought of 'redistribution of Wealth' -infact he used his Gift to multiply the Bread and fish and distributed them without charge or expectation.
Christ also tended and healed the Sick, the poor and the outcast, even if they were women of 'ill repute'- So a Christian would not be upset that ACORN was trying to give a woman of the Streets a place to live and possibly the opportunity to change her life.
a True Christian would not be the in line to 'Cast the First Stone' at those who have made different life choices. Nor dare to speak of 'eternal damnation' as it is not our to Judge.
But Truth be known we have not seen the practice of Real Christianity since humanity scarificed this 'Lamb of God'. No True Christian would wear or worship the Symbol of Torture and murder. But would instead view such a thing with shame and beg for Forgiveness.For cruxification is an atrocity.
Peter Bastardized the Faith for his own Gain and Ego, and every religion that has slithered out of that cesspool have been heretics ever since.
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Posted by: FrustratedInCT on Sep 22, 2009 9:14 AM
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Jackson's actions encapsulate the problem with the Value Voters, the Christian Right, the Tea Partiers, and the Republican party all at once. They got theirs, so screw everyone else. Disgusting.
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Posted by: monkeyamore on Sep 22, 2009 9:22 AM
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Faux News' Beck has tried to take control of the movement and there are also people from the fringe who jump on any movement and end up discredit it. Also, there are some anti-Tea Baggers who are deliberately trying to discredit the move to get rid of the corrupt Federal Reserve by turning it into a race question.
"The most perfidious way of harming a cause consists of defending it deliberately with faulty arguments."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
Many of them are not part of the conservative party or the religious right, but have a clear Libertarian leaning. The Conservatives are trying to take control of the movement because their party is disintegrating. During the rally I went to, as the speaker started preaching conservative dogma, the crowd yelled "off topic" and "wrap it up" because they didn't like the Conservative agenda being pushed.
The MSM is controlled by the same powerful/power-hungry men who's power is threatened by getting rid of the Fed so they are very actively smearing the movement against them by reporting on existing racists and planting others to make for juicy stories. Many of you have taken the bait. Wake The Fuck Up.
This is part of the divide-and-conquer, distraction, deception tactics. It's not about Left-Right. Public opinions are being carefully manipulated through tactics most people are incapable of recognizing. Research Edward Bernays, nephew of Freud and the father of propaganda, to understand more of what's going on. Our current administration is overrun by Goldman Sachs alumni who are corrupt to the core and enacting policies to usurp even more power and money. Google "matt taibbi goldman sachs" and read the Rolling Stone article. Stop being distracted by (and perpetuating) the attempts at manipulation that many of the comment writers have clearly fallen prey to.
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Posted by: Ted Voth Jr on Sep 22, 2009 9:44 AM
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Why does he prohibit giving and taking interest, any interest?
Why does he insist all contracts fall void every 7th year?
Why does he insist all real property revert to the original owner or his heirs every 50th, jubilee, year?
Why does the LORD in his Law and by his prophets and in his 1st coming continually exhort Israel not to oppress the widows– single mothers?– and orphans, the poor– homeless?– and oppressed– Blacks?– the stranger in the Land– immigrants?
Remember, when he came the 1st time he said 'I come not to abrogate the Law, but to fulfill it.' Fulfill it he did: 'It is finished.' But it's still holy, just, and good, and it gives us insight into the unchanging Mind of God.
Think, people; use the brains God gave you to think about the Word he gave you.
Then do it and be merciful.
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Posted by: charles000 on Sep 22, 2009 11:31 AM
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Racism is the least of their problems - insanity is the real problem here.
Sadly, there are many millions of ordinary working people, of all races, who are mesmerized under the spell of fanatical religious dogma, who have opted out of the world of critical thinking.
For many, it is so much easier to simply examine all things through the tiny pinhole lens religious dogma as is dictated in the [fill in the blank] religious text, than it is to actually examine the reality of life, and the surrounding world, with its complexities and challenges.
For thousands of years, this strategy has worked to maintain and expand empires, keep the general public in line with officially sanctioned and rigidly enforced theocratic law, and to protect the interests of the power elite who claim to have "divine" authority.
In recent times, however, these quasi religious entities have seen their power slipping away, as the hypocrisy of their operations and lunacy of their supposed belief systems have become ever more obvious.
This in turn requires these fading religious entities to become even more determined to invoke fanatical, blind commitment to their "cause" by whatever means necessary. For some, utilizing the racism ploy may gain additional "market share" for the targeting constituency they wish to utilize to suit their purposes, but racism is not the end goal, but rather a means to an end.
For the modern so-called Christian neocons who buy into this sort of fanatical group think paradigm, the real tragedy is that they have not even the remotest clue of comprehension as to what the original message and its intent was that was actually delivered by Jesus the Christ when he walked this Earth.
All they know is the blind recital of officially sanctioned text that they are instructed to memorize under threat of eternal damnation, to the satisfaction of the current "divine" authorities.
At an earlier time, the planet and its populations could survive endless wars fought under the guise of "religious" motivations. Battles were fought by men on foot or riding horses, with swords and technologies of the ancient world. The populations of the planet were small and fragile, and fanatical adherence to theocratic edicts requiring the breeding large families, with no birth control allowed, was considered to be a strategic requirement for maintaining an expendable population base for armies and labor.
The power elite did not have to answer to, nor acknowledge any form of contestation of such religious edicts, and those who dared to confront the purported "divine" authorities were met with hideous spectacles of torture and extreme prejudice that even the imperial Roman empire, at their very worst, had never visited upon the Christians of the time.
This irony is remarkable to behold, as it was the emperor Constantine, in the year 360 ad, and the council of Mycia, that created what was eventually to become the modern Catholic church as the instrument of theocratic law emanating from what was then the Eastern Roman empire.
Now we are here, with the modern version of this weird, militaristic contortion of Christ's existence, reinvented by an ambitious Roman emperor as an instrument of geopolitical authority and empire enhancement.
It is in this current template that the religious entities have to somehow maintain their existence and relevance in the modern world, a world that is on the brink of catastrophic system failure catalyzed by over population, and men still inclined to fight for "religious" causes, only now the weaponry can eradicate entire populations, and literally threaten the life support capacity of the planet.
Tell me what I'm missing here.
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Posted by: james108 on Sep 22, 2009 11:38 AM
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Anyone who thinks a black president alone is progress, while downplaying the corruption of his past and present is a bit racist.
People who turn a blind eye to the racist mass murder in Afghanistan, and Israel's apartheid shooting gallery can be considered a little racist.
Why should the right have to prove there are no racists there when the left has plenty of them too?
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Posted by: billwald on Sep 22, 2009 11:40 AM
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But, in the meantime, I glad my kids didn't handicap my grandkids by marring into another race. Life will be hard enough for them in the new economy without that handicap.
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Posted by: tazdelaney on Sep 22, 2009 11:50 AM
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first of all, just to get the 'race issue out of the way – i'm white, at least on the outside. yes, i have been called a 'race traitor.'
plaxico is one great football player who made a very stupid gangsta play. but what if peyton manning made a mistake like that? would he go to prison? i'm reminded of when muhammad ali had his great mid-career years trashed because he refused to go to vietnam to murder orientals who, as he said, "never called me a n....r."
living in NYC, i can say for sure that no rich white man would go to jail for that or much of anything else. 4 of ghouliani's uber-thugs put 41 bullets into unarmed amadou diallo for the crime of walking out of his building. one told him 'hands up" while another ordered him to show his ID. when he went for his ID, they opened fire as it was open season. the woman upstairs heard them laughing after the first rounds and ask, "what's holding him up." they were all acquitted. in the past 20 years, some 1200 others here have died under suspicious police or detention circumstances, virtually all non-whites and a handful of convictions. and when did you ever hear of a rich white being shot 41 times for nothing? imagine the uproar...
a cop in brooklyn in 2006 shot himself in the leg trying to get his gun out of its holster, then ashamed, tried to blame it on a marijuana suspect who he claimed fled, leading to a major manhunt. was this cop charged? in that same year, NYPD estimated there were over 400 cops involved in the likes of aryan nation. feeling safe now?
on a larger scale... less than a thousand top wall-streeters schemed to benefit from crashing the global economy; rightly assuming they could then leverage this into trillions in bailouts and guarantees. with all the unemployed and their dependents that this has caused, 100 million americans who never benefited from the scheme are now suffering from the rewarded crimes. the UN says 7 million of the world's poorest are dying from it, a holocaust. how many of these mass-murderers will be charged or do a day in prison. nope, they go home to mansions in their aston-martins...
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Posted by: tazdelaney on Sep 22, 2009 12:24 PM
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he showed that all extensions of the body or psyche are media. clothes are extended skin; gun is extended fist and eye; phoneis extended mouth and ear; television as extended tactility; computer as extended mind. too bad he didn't live to see the internet that he predicted. he put the words 'personal' and 'computer' together in 1962 and it wasn't realized until apple in 1979... he showed that it is more important what medium you're absorbed in than what the mere content therein is. he showed that electronic media tend towards more and more participation.
mccluhan predicted that, since electronic media tend to spread knowledge and dissolve heirarchy, that the reactionary element including fundamentalists, powermongers and the like... would feel and BE terrifically threatened by it. an optimist, mccluhan thought that electricity would prove too much for the fascists, even though he foresaw the use of these technologies to control, surveil and kill.
the religious right has lived up to these predictions. however, it is shocking and tagic that the right has adapted better in many ways to the new media than the democracy and anarcho-socialist left has. while the wingnuts seize the media by the short hairs with outrageous stunts... where are our abbie hoffman's, ginsbergs and doctor spocks?
a tiny example... i'm a lifelong multimedia artist in his 50s who despite decades of trying, have yet to gain so much as a gallery here in NYC, nor a publisher. hair-raising tales of the artists i know, self included, of brutal, thieving and rude treatment at the hands of the 'arts businesses' (music is owned by vicious goons, watch out.)
well, for months i've been doing everything i know as a poor, unemployed new yorker to gain the say $5k needed to put on a socio-political art event of putting a large, fake guilotine where it belongs – by the big bull statue on wall street! this is an artwork that a couple of billion humans would appreciate and that a handful would despise. am i willing to be arrested for this legal 1st amendment activity? do bears poop in the woods? i've put this online all over the place, handed out leaflets around town; applied to several arts groups and have yet to get so much as one email or callback!
put your money where your mouth is. you can reach me via facebook as taz delaney.
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Posted by: jooljetkmae on Sep 22, 2009 2:01 PM
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African-American.
Now Obama is finally showing his true colors on this debate in his defense of the execrable Baucus bill:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_care_overhaul
It mandates that people buy insurance, which is based around highly regressive premiums, or they face fines of $750 or $950 for individuals, and fines of $1,500 and $3,800 for families.
Here is an example of the class based hate Obama is using to defend this awful bill:
"What it's saying is, is that we're not going to have other people carrying your burdens for you anymore," said Obama."
In other words, it's the fault of the uninsured that health care costs are so high. It's not the fault of the health insurance, pharmaceutical and hospital industries, and the medical profession. It's not the fault of the chicken shit politicians who don't have the political courage to impose price controls on the costs of health care, which every civilized wealthy nation does.
No, it's the fault of the people who don't have insurance. Well, why don't they have insurance? They are either unemployed or underemployed, or they have an employer who doesn't provide it for them, and they simply can't afford the highly regressive premiums they are supposed to pay to get it.. So his plan calls for hitting a vulnerable population, which includes myself, with the most abominably regressive taxation proposal I have ever seen. And his appeal to this is that it doesn't amount to a tax increase. What that means is that it won't increase taxes on people making above medium income, so, therefore, it's "not" a tax increase.
Obama's appeal to support the awful Baucus bill is an appeal to class based hatred.
"Change" is really cool, isn't it?
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Posted by: Jcicone1 on Sep 22, 2009 2:36 PM
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Liberalism can range from, Classic Liberalism, Neo-Liberalism, Modern-Liberalism, Liberal progressives and more.
Liberalism is different from both Socialism and Communism, those both are more to the left then the right but their are some right wing communist types of countries.
Radical right wingers could be extreme also, Fascism is very right wing, both against liberalism, Socialism, and Communism, Fascism is incorporated with religious and Oligarchy types of societies, Radical Nationalist countries with radical military nationalistic actions is heavily right wing and just as bad as any kind of communism and socialism.
Liberalism came from John Locke and that era where the liberals fought against the emperors brutality.
What do banks and money supply have anything to do with liberals, Andrew Jackson a Democrat with many Classic Liberal views closed down the first Central Bank and/or are against it and want to limit it
Ralph Nader, Dennis Kusinich, Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, Mike Gravel, JFK, Andrew Jackson, Cynthia McKinney, Russ Feingold, Bill Richardson, Jon Tester, Jim Webb, Ned Lamont, Mike Arcuri, G.K. Butterfield, Paul Hodes, Mike Thompson, Brian Schweitzer.
These are are liberal people who want to get rid of the FED and/or limit its power.
The Democrats are not Liberals, they are Democrats, they are corporatist just like all the Republicans, Ronald Reagan, gave the banks more power and screwed up the economy giving us one of the largest deficits of all time. He never bothered doing anything with AIDs and just started talking about in the mid 80s but still did nothing which allowed many people to die. Increased this War on Drugs adding more poverty to the streets and more crime, abusive crime laws. In his presidency he got us into two financial crisis/meltdowns. He expanded the military to a large extent wasting a bunch of money, and screwing up things in the middle east and other places, was friends with south american dictators. At the end of his presidency he gave us one of the largest deficits of all time.
People said Reagan ended the Cold war which was BS, The Soviet Union Collapsed itself everyone admits that but America, Reagan did nothing.
Not only did Reagan not end the cold war like many people said he also didn't help majority of the population.
People claim he gave 17 million jobs which is BS, because of you truly look into it, even if those 17 million jobs are true, out of everyone in the US, that is not a lot of jobs and those jobs only benefitted the rich, those were only right wing jobs to help benefit the corporate elites and wealthy. Everyone including myself who lived in the 80s who was either a middle class person or a poor person new we suffered and got nothing from Reagan and were worse off then before. The Gap of wealth and from rich and poor expanded the farthest through out anytime in history.
He also attacked Lebanon killing 10s of thousands of people and then that Day left so he didn't get a bad rap, that was the most cowardly military act in US history.
Richard Nixon a republican was actually the one that said we are all Keynesian now, he was the one who started this, and people say Keynesian is liberal no its not it doesn't matter what it is because its an economic belief that any side will agree or disagree. Richard Nixon ended the gold standard completely, and screwed up our Economy
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Posted by: Jcicone1 on Sep 22, 2009 2:38 PM
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So I am sick of people like mmckinl that criticize liberals like we are socialist or democrats we are not and I am also sick of Liberals who think Socialism is great, it isn't there is more bad in Socialism then good and there is more good in capitalism then bad, but there are good things in socialism and bad things in capitalism and those good things in socialism have actually helped us in America but it keeps being taken away from us or being blocked because of the one party system, the republicans and the blue dog dems and just dems in general who just as bad as republicans.
Alan Greenspan another conservative screwed up the economy and our future.
Clinton got a recession and while he did some bad things I hate (and No i am not talking about the sex scandal) He did great things for this country, from gays getting more rights and being in the military which was destroyed by homophobic republicans, he also did many other great things as well as creating the most jobs any president did in American history 22 million and unlike Reagan who supposedly created 17 million even though those were just jobs for the rich because the middle class and poor were worse off, we got 22 million jobs under Clinton more then Reagan and also those jobs went to a vast majority of people, poor, middle class, and Rich, it was all balanced out. He lowered unemployment to an all time lowest that any president did in the last 40 years. He also lowered poverty to an all time lower than any president in the last 30 to 40 years, and he turned the 5 trillion deficit and brought the deficit down to 17 billion, an While that isn't a surplus nor do I think he gave us a Surplus, since we always had a deficit for the last 100 years, he lowered it to 17 billion the lowest any president did since Andrew Jackson, and he received a recession and bad economy thanks to Reagan, and Bush senior.
John Boener, Palin, Huckabee, Bush family, Jindal, Romeny, Guiliani, McCain, Rove, i can keep naming and naming republican politicians and people who support Wall Street, Big Corporations and the banks and are just as guilty for the problems that we have today.
Many republicans have also supported the Bailout, to banks and corporations and wall street, and while sadly there have been more Democrats that voted for the bailout there have been huge amount of republicans as well. And also republicans flip flop like crazy, they only against the bailouts because of Obama and the democrats are the majority and will go against any of their plans then bash them when some things don't go well and probably spin it a lot and make some biased half truths and distortions. They have been doing this since for almost 100 years.
When Bush was president, republicans mostly supported the bailouts and many democrats didn't and many democrats did but republicans mostly voted for bailouts when George W. Bush was president and voted mostly for bailouts when other republicans were president as well.
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Posted by: Jcicone1 on Sep 22, 2009 2:38 PM
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Do you also know that the 70s were the start of the deregulation era of the markets and everything, deregulation of banks again which also lead to the first great depression, deregulating banks, corporations, etc etc. And expanding the military. This started with Nixon and the expansion of War Spending, and deregulation of banks and big corporations. Ford, Nixon, Bush senior, and George W. Bush all could of done something but they supported massive deregulation and greed many liberals tried to get new forms of energy and fixing healthcare and lowering spending in military republicans are just as guilty as democrats.
And yes the 70s started this massive deregulation and was the start of what we would be and have today. This is real history and these are real terms.
The deregulation era of the 70s is a real term and part of history and Republicans have guilt all over them.
Liberal Europe is almost out of the recession and Japan now has a new government since for the past 50 years was ruled by Right wing corporatism.
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Posted by: SayBlade on Sep 22, 2009 3:27 PM
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That's a difficult one particularly because God is not mentioned in the US constitution. Suggest the Teabaggers get an infusion of the Canadian Constitution in order to get their God fix. But they might not like the Charter of Rights and Freedoms that goes with it and it mentions God, too.
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implying there is a racist tone in the movement, because of the analogy of the monkeys and the golf balls. She must then be mortified at the way George Bush was depicted in political cartoons--as a monkey and as incredibly STUPID!!!--was this racist too in her opinion??? She says that younger Christians are in favor of gay marriage when in reality Christians are pro gay, just not gay marriage. Most Christians have no problem with civil unions they have difficulty with marriages because it resonates with religious belief. And she opines that Americans feel that same sex marriage and abortion are the least important concerns on the part of the American Public--oh really, is that why almost every state in the Union has passed specific legislation to not recognize gay marriages and
they consistently attempt to pas anti abortion legislation? The author mentions that the Christian Right has not been able to effectly move the public on abortions?? Really what about the most recent ruling by the Supreme Court making partial birth abortions illegal?
Was this author asleep during the Christian Rights greatest victory since Roe vs Wade?????
The Christian Right has always maintained that they will chip away at Roe vs Wade a little at a time which is exactly what they are doing.
She opines that there is an element of racism against Obama, but fails to mention that Obama was not elected by blacks since they only represent 12 percent of the population, but by whites who make up the majority of the voters.
Furthermore if this were even remotely true, then how does one explain the dramatically lower approval ratings of Obama by the public? So, if we didn't elect a black president, then we are fundamentally racist--and if in any way we criticize him and his policies we are racist??? Wow!!! No author prejudice here!!! Nice play on the race card!! I have no problem with writers voicing their own perspectives, but just once I would like to see a balanced honest article discussing issues and no hyperbole. Is that asking too much?
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