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5 Reasons the Baucus Health Bill Fails the Basics
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On a conference call with reporters on Tuesday, Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV, D-W.V., laid out the reasons why he will vote against the health care reform proposal released by Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., on Wednesday. The bill requires significant changes before it will win his vote, Rockefeller said.
Rockefeller's defiance is significant because he chairs the Senate Finance's health subcommittee and was locked out of negotiations on the bill when Baucus threw all his eggs in the basket of imaginary bipartisanship by appointing a "Gang of Six" -- three uncompromising Republicans and two malleable Democrats (in addition to himself) -- to hammer out the legislation, which contains no public health insurance plan but does contain a number of other provisions that Rockefeller finds troubling.
"[T]here's no way that I can vote for the Senate [Finance] package for a lot of reasons and, obviously, the lack of a public option is one of them," Rockefeller told reporters -- even if it meant Baucus' proposal never made it out of the committee to face a vote by the full Senate.
"I'm not going to worry about is it coming out of the committee or is it not coming out of the committee," Rockefeller said. "I'm going to vote based upon what I feel."
Rockefeller is known in the Senate as a health care expert; on the conference call, Roger Hickey, of the Campaign for America's Future, referred to Rockefeller as the most knowledgeable person in the Senate on the topic now that Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., has died.
A stalwart proponent of the public health insurance option featured in the other health-reform bills currently before Congress, Rockefeller credited his overall position on health care to his work as a Vista volunteer in the 1960s. Vista was a Peace Corps-style program that focused on impoverished areas of the United States.
Asked about President Barack Obama's desire to get some kind of health care plan passed, and pressure by the administration to pass something -- anything -- Rockefeller told reporters, "It does represent a worry of mine … that if it becomes just a question of passing something so that you can say you did health care reform, then you really didn't do what we have an historic opportunity [to do]. That I find very distressing."
He then deferred to Yale professor Jacob Hacker, who was brought onto the call by Rockefeller to serve as an expert.
"It's been said that we shouldn't let the perfect be the enemy of the good," Hacker said, "but I would also say that we shouldn't let the terrible be the ally of the expedient."
As laid out by Rockefeller, the Baucus proposal appears to be quite terrible. The bill will goes before the full committee next week for mark-up, when senators on the committee will be allowed to offer amendments to the legislation.
"I will have many, many, many amendments," Rockefeller said, including one for a public option.
Here is a summary of the reasons Rockefeller gave for his promise to vote against the Baucus bill, unless significant changes are made:
1. No public option. Rockefeller urged that reporters not buy into the conventional wisdom that health care reform cannot pass if a public option is included in the final bill.
"It's amazing what happens when it comes down to crunch time -- when people really have to go on record," he said. Everything we've seen up until now, he explained, is posturing. "Things can shift," he said.
Without a public health insurance plan, Rockefeller says, private insurers will face no meaningful competition, which is necessary for driving down costs.
"Real competition comes from people who don't have to make any profit and they don't have to have any fancy marble columns at the entrance to their building," he explained. (Or pay their CEOs $24 million a year, as Aetna does.)
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Posted by: ohb0b on Sep 18, 2009 12:37 AM
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Posted by: itsallbs on Sep 18, 2009 12:41 AM
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Single payer ( HR 676) is the only true reform bill out there. The only reason this bill is rejected is because our polititians, who it seems cannot live on the salaries we the people provide them, would no longer receive the bribes this industry pays to them. Make no mistake, these are nothing less than bribes. Bribery is a crime. Those who receive these bribes should be prosecuted.
At the end of the Gettysburg address, President Lincoln said that"that government, of the people, by the people and for the people shall not perish from the earth."
He would be saddened to see that government of the corporation, by the corporation and for the corporation has replaced the people as the true owners of our country. The corporate world, be it insurance, healthcare, pharmaceuticals, energy, et al, has the best government it can buy. It relies on the sheeple to swallow the koolaid they provide to forward their agenda.
They use lies, misinformation and their elected agents to convince you chicken littles that the sky will fall unless you follow them like the rodents followed the Pied Piper. They bend you over the table and screw you in the rear and you say thank you, give me more.
Wake up folks. Spit out the koolaid and unmask the devil. This is for your own good, something these crooks have no interest in.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Sep 18, 2009 1:27 AM
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It's people like poor old Max that are the walking, talking personifications of why I left the Democratic party over a decade ago. They have forgotten that they are (or were) the party of Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Pity.
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Posted by: LeonBNJ on Sep 18, 2009 3:36 AM
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We need to destroy the massive corporate lobbying corruption that is behind the collaspe of necessary replacement of our health care system with a more humane one with greater involvement of our Federal government.
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Posted by: drricklippin on Sep 18, 2009 4:01 AM
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This is not,as I and others have been accused of,"playing the morality card". This isn't some card game
This is about whether our nation chooses to be a moral nation. This is about human lives.
Dr. Rick Lippin
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Posted by: ankhet on Sep 18, 2009 4:49 AM
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How can a country screw up so badly on something the rest of the civilized world is handling smoothly?
It's hard to keep watching this train wreck happening. I've never seen anything so insane in my life.
When are the people gonna rebel? Or are they just going to hunch their shoulders and work harder, like Boxer in "Animal Farm"? You know how he was rewarded, don't you?
What's happening proves my point that US domestic economy has become an extractive industry - like mining. The citizen is just another source of wealth. It may not amount to much from any particular individual (except maybe his livelihood, health or children) but it adds up when they screw everybody as massively as this. The claim that "the economy is doing well" or "the economy is showing a profit", just means Wall Street's bankers and insurance companies have secured another way to suck the last few pennies out of your pockets.
This is breath-takingly, shockingly atrocious. I hope you find a way to restore sanity and decency soon.
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Posted by: warrior woman on Sep 18, 2009 5:19 AM
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Please refresh yourselves with this article by single payor advocate, Kip Sullivan, in "Bait and Switch- How the "Public Option" Was Sold"
Monday 20 July 2009
by: Kip Sullivan |
http://www.pnhp.org/blog/2009/07/20/bait-
and-switch-how-the-%E2%80%9Cpublic-
option%E2%80%9D-was-sold/
"According to the Congressional Budget Office, the "public option" proposed in the House "tri-committee" bill might insure 10 million people and would leave 16 to 17 million people uninsured. The "public option" proposed by the Senate HELP committee, again according to the Congressional Budget Office, is unlikely to insure anyone and would hence leave 33 to 34 million uninsured. The CBO said its estimate of 10 million for the House bill was highly uncertain, which is not surprising given how vaguely the House legislation describes the "public option."
So forget what's best for us, single payer. We're playing right into their hand calling for a plan that will benefit no one!
THe five critical pieces to single payer must be, according to Sullivan:
"The PO had to be pre-populated with tens of millions of people, that is, it had to begin like Medicare did representing a large pool of people the day it commenced operations (Hacker proposed shifting all or most uninsured people as well as Medicaid and SCHIP enrollees into his public program);
• Subsidies to individuals to buy insurance would be substantial, and only PO enrollees could get subsidies (people who chose to buy insurance from insurance companies could not get subsidies);
• The PO and its subsidies had to be available to all nonelderly Americans (not just the uninsured and employees of small employers);
• The PO had to be given authority to use Medicare's provider reimbursement rates; and
• The insurance industry had to be required to offer the same minimum level of benefits the PO had to offer."
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Posted by: MeyravLevine on Sep 18, 2009 5:56 AM
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Top 5 contributors to Baucus
Altria Group $108,453
Schering-Plough Corp $101,200
Amgen Inc $65,250
Blue Cross/Blue Shield $65,100
New York Life Insurance $64,150
Top 5 industry contributors to Baucus:
Securities & Investment $982,250
Health Professionals $802,141
Pharmaceuticals/Health Products $762,813
Lawyers/Law Firms $761,104
Insurance $730,075
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Posted by: austex_chris on Sep 18, 2009 6:23 AM
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This is so bad that I have to try hard not to physically scream. The health insurance industry has made out like bandits in all of this. Over the last few weeks check our their stock prices, most are up over 6%.
This bill should be voted for by Republicans, because it essentially kills any chance of us getting real healthcare for 20 years at least. They're too dumb to vote for this bill but if they want the status quo, this is the bill for them!
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Posted by: peacelf on Sep 18, 2009 7:07 AM
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Rest assured, that's why americans will eventually have a single payer Medicare-for-all system, if not now, sometime in the near future. If for some crazy reason the Baucus plan is passed, it will only need a few years to prove that the health insurance industry is corrupt and hell-bent greedy before it will need reforming again.
Peace
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Posted by: improperly_sedated on Sep 18, 2009 9:39 AM
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Profit taken by a corporation is taken on behalf of the shareholders. The Senators who serve corporate executives are not the problem, nor are the executives themselves. If they are removed, they will be replaced.
The people responsible are the shareholders. All of this is done on behalf of the shareholders.
The profits of a medical corporation are the health care budgets of its customers that have been diverted to the shareholders while those customers (or "patients" if you prefer) are left to wither and die.
The shareholders are recipients of blood money, and they will find executives and politicians who are willing to deliver it, no matter how many times these servants are replaced.
You may say: "I have some money in stocks. I own shares of a profitable medical corporation. Surely you don't mean that I am responsible for this vast institution of extortion?" Yes, I do. Yes, you are. Unless a shareholder in one of these companies spends their dividend check on medical charity, they are making money off of the deliberate destruction of other people's health and wealth.
Tens of thousands die each year in the service of these dividend checks. The broken survivors are more numerous. The quietly impoverished, more numerous still.
The blood is on the shareholders' hands far more than the hands of some Senator from a small, easily bribed state.
Know your enemy.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Sep 18, 2009 9:41 AM
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Posted by: billwald on Sep 18, 2009 12:34 PM
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They don't meet any insurance principles. "Major medical insurance" back in the '40's and '50's was insurance because it conformed to the same principles as fire, auto, and life insurance.
Pre-existing conditions . . . anyone our there ever try buying fire insurance while their house was burning?
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Posted by: Augustus_818 on Sep 18, 2009 9:47 PM
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And that's why I don't give my consent to psychopathic con-artists and sadistic assholes.
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Posted by: Don on Sep 18, 2009 10:18 PM
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"Baucus" already sounds pretty close.
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Posted by: jooljetkmae on Sep 20, 2009 11:06 PM
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If it's broke and the proposal to fix it will make it worse, then you might as well not try to fix it at all.
Careful what you wish. Most people wanted "health care reform" and now we're getting it Baucus-Obama style.
I hope this bill doesn't get passed.
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Posted by: smf1403 on Sep 21, 2009 11:53 AM
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THE PUBLIC OPTION IS B.S. PLAIN & SIMPLE!!
THE DEMOCRATS (EXCEPT FOR DENNIS KUCINICH) ARE TRYING TO BRAINWASH US INTO BELIEVING THIS IS WHAT WE WANT. EVEN R.E.M. DID A COMMERCIAL FOR IT AND OBAMA! DO YOUR FRICKIN HOMEWORK BEFORE YOU JUMP ON THE OBAMA BANDWAGON!
WE WANT WHAT OBAMA AND ALL OF CONGRESS HAS --SINGLE-PAYER MEDICARE FOR ALL!!
NO OTHER PLAN, NO MATTER HOW MUCH OBAMA OR BAUCUS OR ROCKEFELLER TRY TO CONFUSE THE PEOPLE, WILL SUFFICE!!
LISTEN TO DENNIS KUCINICH!! HE IS GETTING FED UP WITH ALL THE RHETORIC AND B.S. FROM THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TOO! SINGLE-PAYER MEDICARE FOR ALL REMOVES THE INSURANCE COMPANIES (THE MIDDLE-MAN). IT IS COST-EFFECTIVE AND IT CERTAINLY HAS WORKED FOR OBAMA AND CONGRESS!!
OBAMA'S PLAN MANDATES ALL PEOPLE TO BUY INSURANCE (THAT DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO BEGIN WITH). IT IS SOCIALISM FOR THE INSURANCE COMPANIES. THE ELITIST, RICH FOLKS (YES, OBAMA, TOO) TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER!!
SINGLE-PAYER IS THE ONLY OPTION!!!!
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Posted by: the director on Sep 21, 2009 8:43 PM
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The Rockefeller family has polluted our air and water selling our own natural resources back to us and they know about "health care." They know about causing the need for health care. The Rockefeller Vaccine for Yellow Fever is the cause of the inordinately high rates of Hep C and liver failure among US Vietnam Vets.
The solution for our health is food and water
without chemicals.
Cancer is cause by chemicals, as are all
of our rapidly increasing health issues.
Linus Pauling said that our modern diseases are a result of mineral deficiencies.
Those deficiencies have been caused by the
family of this fine Senator from West Virginia
who has made the coal companies clean up their pollution and the harm done to the children of the fine people of West Virginia?
Our health is our responsibility, our food, water and air is the responsibility of our
Government. How do we pay for health care, we make those who caused ill health to pay for our care with the profits they made making us sick. Yes corporate America and their stock holders.
Senator Rockefeller may be a fine man but his name is poison to everyone who takes a breath,
WE only have one air, and only one water, we
live on one planet not owned by any corporation.
We spend the money, and when we don't buy corporate products then we may see the moral
change we the people expect from our nation.
the Director
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Posted by: itsallbs on Sep 18, 2009 12:41 AM
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Single payer ( HR 676) is the only true reform bill out there. The only reason this bill is rejected is because our polititians, who it seems cannot live on the salaries we the people provide them, would no longer receive the bribes this industry pays to them. Make no mistake, these are nothing less than bribes. Bribery is a crime. Those who receive these bribes should be prosecuted.
At the end of the Gettysburg address, President Lincoln said that"that government, of the people, by the people and for the people shall not perish from the earth."
He would be saddened to see that government of the corporation, by the corporation and for the corporation has replaced the people as the true owners of our country. The corporate world, be it insurance, healthcare, pharmaceuticals, energy, et al, has the best government it can buy. It relies on the sheeple to swallow the koolaid they provide to forward their agenda.
They use lies, misinformation and their elected agents to convince you chicken littles that the sky will fall unless you follow them like the rodents followed the Pied Piper. They bend you over the table and screw you in the rear and you say thank you, give me more.
Wake up folks. Spit out the koolaid and unmask the devil. This is for your own good, something these crooks have no interest in.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Sep 18, 2009 1:27 AM
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It's people like poor old Max that are the walking, talking personifications of why I left the Democratic party over a decade ago. They have forgotten that they are (or were) the party of Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Pity.
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Posted by: LeonBNJ on Sep 18, 2009 3:36 AM
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We need to destroy the massive corporate lobbying corruption that is behind the collaspe of necessary replacement of our health care system with a more humane one with greater involvement of our Federal government.
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Posted by: drricklippin on Sep 18, 2009 4:01 AM
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This is not,as I and others have been accused of,"playing the morality card". This isn't some card game
This is about whether our nation chooses to be a moral nation. This is about human lives.
Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa
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Posted by: ankhet on Sep 18, 2009 4:49 AM
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How can a country screw up so badly on something the rest of the civilized world is handling smoothly?
It's hard to keep watching this train wreck happening. I've never seen anything so insane in my life.
When are the people gonna rebel? Or are they just going to hunch their shoulders and work harder, like Boxer in "Animal Farm"? You know how he was rewarded, don't you?
What's happening proves my point that US domestic economy has become an extractive industry - like mining. The citizen is just another source of wealth. It may not amount to much from any particular individual (except maybe his livelihood, health or children) but it adds up when they screw everybody as massively as this. The claim that "the economy is doing well" or "the economy is showing a profit", just means Wall Street's bankers and insurance companies have secured another way to suck the last few pennies out of your pockets.
This is breath-takingly, shockingly atrocious. I hope you find a way to restore sanity and decency soon.
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Posted by: warrior woman on Sep 18, 2009 5:19 AM
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Please refresh yourselves with this article by single payor advocate, Kip Sullivan, in "Bait and Switch- How the "Public Option" Was Sold"
Monday 20 July 2009
by: Kip Sullivan |
http://www.pnhp.org/blog/2009/07/20/bait-
and-switch-how-the-%E2%80%9Cpublic-
option%E2%80%9D-was-sold/
"According to the Congressional Budget Office, the "public option" proposed in the House "tri-committee" bill might insure 10 million people and would leave 16 to 17 million people uninsured. The "public option" proposed by the Senate HELP committee, again according to the Congressional Budget Office, is unlikely to insure anyone and would hence leave 33 to 34 million uninsured. The CBO said its estimate of 10 million for the House bill was highly uncertain, which is not surprising given how vaguely the House legislation describes the "public option."
So forget what's best for us, single payer. We're playing right into their hand calling for a plan that will benefit no one!
THe five critical pieces to single payer must be, according to Sullivan:
"The PO had to be pre-populated with tens of millions of people, that is, it had to begin like Medicare did representing a large pool of people the day it commenced operations (Hacker proposed shifting all or most uninsured people as well as Medicaid and SCHIP enrollees into his public program);
• Subsidies to individuals to buy insurance would be substantial, and only PO enrollees could get subsidies (people who chose to buy insurance from insurance companies could not get subsidies);
• The PO and its subsidies had to be available to all nonelderly Americans (not just the uninsured and employees of small employers);
• The PO had to be given authority to use Medicare's provider reimbursement rates; and
• The insurance industry had to be required to offer the same minimum level of benefits the PO had to offer."
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Posted by: MeyravLevine on Sep 18, 2009 5:56 AM
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Top 5 contributors to Baucus
Altria Group $108,453
Schering-Plough Corp $101,200
Amgen Inc $65,250
Blue Cross/Blue Shield $65,100
New York Life Insurance $64,150
Top 5 industry contributors to Baucus:
Securities & Investment $982,250
Health Professionals $802,141
Pharmaceuticals/Health Products $762,813
Lawyers/Law Firms $761,104
Insurance $730,075
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» pssst...this is what fascism is.
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Posted by: austex_chris on Sep 18, 2009 6:23 AM
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This is so bad that I have to try hard not to physically scream. The health insurance industry has made out like bandits in all of this. Over the last few weeks check our their stock prices, most are up over 6%.
This bill should be voted for by Republicans, because it essentially kills any chance of us getting real healthcare for 20 years at least. They're too dumb to vote for this bill but if they want the status quo, this is the bill for them!
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» RE: Welfare for insurance companies
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Posted by: peacelf on Sep 18, 2009 7:07 AM
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Rest assured, that's why americans will eventually have a single payer Medicare-for-all system, if not now, sometime in the near future. If for some crazy reason the Baucus plan is passed, it will only need a few years to prove that the health insurance industry is corrupt and hell-bent greedy before it will need reforming again.
Peace
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Posted by: LStinson1988 on Sep 18, 2009 8:02 AM
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Posted by: Col. Jackleg on Sep 18, 2009 8:49 AM
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» H.R. 676 the only answer capable of dealing with the questions put forth!
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Posted by: Outspokengrandmother on Sep 18, 2009 8:55 AM
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» RE: Democrats finally have been infected by Republican venality
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Posted by: improperly_sedated on Sep 18, 2009 9:39 AM
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Profit taken by a corporation is taken on behalf of the shareholders. The Senators who serve corporate executives are not the problem, nor are the executives themselves. If they are removed, they will be replaced.
The people responsible are the shareholders. All of this is done on behalf of the shareholders.
The profits of a medical corporation are the health care budgets of its customers that have been diverted to the shareholders while those customers (or "patients" if you prefer) are left to wither and die.
The shareholders are recipients of blood money, and they will find executives and politicians who are willing to deliver it, no matter how many times these servants are replaced.
You may say: "I have some money in stocks. I own shares of a profitable medical corporation. Surely you don't mean that I am responsible for this vast institution of extortion?" Yes, I do. Yes, you are. Unless a shareholder in one of these companies spends their dividend check on medical charity, they are making money off of the deliberate destruction of other people's health and wealth.
Tens of thousands die each year in the service of these dividend checks. The broken survivors are more numerous. The quietly impoverished, more numerous still.
The blood is on the shareholders' hands far more than the hands of some Senator from a small, easily bribed state.
Know your enemy.
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» RE: The problem is money in politics and our fucked up electoral system
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Posted by: maxpayne on Sep 18, 2009 9:41 AM
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» Most Democrat politicians are Right Wingers just like Baucus
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Posted by: billwald on Sep 18, 2009 12:34 PM
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They don't meet any insurance principles. "Major medical insurance" back in the '40's and '50's was insurance because it conformed to the same principles as fire, auto, and life insurance.
Pre-existing conditions . . . anyone our there ever try buying fire insurance while their house was burning?
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» RE: ecent health care programs are NOT insurance
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Posted by: Augustus_818 on Sep 18, 2009 9:47 PM
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And that's why I don't give my consent to psychopathic con-artists and sadistic assholes.
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Posted by: whealeydj on Sep 18, 2009 10:13 PM
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Posted by: Don on Sep 18, 2009 10:18 PM
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"Baucus" already sounds pretty close.
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» RE: The **Bogus** health care bill
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Posted by: whealeydj on Sep 18, 2009 10:20 PM
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Posted by: jooljetkmae on Sep 20, 2009 11:06 PM
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If it's broke and the proposal to fix it will make it worse, then you might as well not try to fix it at all.
Careful what you wish. Most people wanted "health care reform" and now we're getting it Baucus-Obama style.
I hope this bill doesn't get passed.
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Posted by: smf1403 on Sep 21, 2009 11:53 AM
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THE PUBLIC OPTION IS B.S. PLAIN & SIMPLE!!
THE DEMOCRATS (EXCEPT FOR DENNIS KUCINICH) ARE TRYING TO BRAINWASH US INTO BELIEVING THIS IS WHAT WE WANT. EVEN R.E.M. DID A COMMERCIAL FOR IT AND OBAMA! DO YOUR FRICKIN HOMEWORK BEFORE YOU JUMP ON THE OBAMA BANDWAGON!
WE WANT WHAT OBAMA AND ALL OF CONGRESS HAS --SINGLE-PAYER MEDICARE FOR ALL!!
NO OTHER PLAN, NO MATTER HOW MUCH OBAMA OR BAUCUS OR ROCKEFELLER TRY TO CONFUSE THE PEOPLE, WILL SUFFICE!!
LISTEN TO DENNIS KUCINICH!! HE IS GETTING FED UP WITH ALL THE RHETORIC AND B.S. FROM THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TOO! SINGLE-PAYER MEDICARE FOR ALL REMOVES THE INSURANCE COMPANIES (THE MIDDLE-MAN). IT IS COST-EFFECTIVE AND IT CERTAINLY HAS WORKED FOR OBAMA AND CONGRESS!!
OBAMA'S PLAN MANDATES ALL PEOPLE TO BUY INSURANCE (THAT DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO BEGIN WITH). IT IS SOCIALISM FOR THE INSURANCE COMPANIES. THE ELITIST, RICH FOLKS (YES, OBAMA, TOO) TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER!!
SINGLE-PAYER IS THE ONLY OPTION!!!!
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Posted by: the director on Sep 21, 2009 8:43 PM
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The Rockefeller family has polluted our air and water selling our own natural resources back to us and they know about "health care." They know about causing the need for health care. The Rockefeller Vaccine for Yellow Fever is the cause of the inordinately high rates of Hep C and liver failure among US Vietnam Vets.
The solution for our health is food and water
without chemicals.
Cancer is cause by chemicals, as are all
of our rapidly increasing health issues.
Linus Pauling said that our modern diseases are a result of mineral deficiencies.
Those deficiencies have been caused by the
family of this fine Senator from West Virginia
who has made the coal companies clean up their pollution and the harm done to the children of the fine people of West Virginia?
Our health is our responsibility, our food, water and air is the responsibility of our
Government. How do we pay for health care, we make those who caused ill health to pay for our care with the profits they made making us sick. Yes corporate America and their stock holders.
Senator Rockefeller may be a fine man but his name is poison to everyone who takes a breath,
WE only have one air, and only one water, we
live on one planet not owned by any corporation.
We spend the money, and when we don't buy corporate products then we may see the moral
change we the people expect from our nation.
the Director
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