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Why the Right's 'Astroturfing' Propaganda Is Textbook Psychopathic
August 15, 2009 |
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Here's a quick test, a sort of free-association game: What do egocentrism, deceitfulness and aggressive criminality have in common?
If you guessed that they are characteristics of disturbed behavior, you're half right. They are in fact features of the Psychopathy Checklist Revised, a template for diagnosing psychopaths, designed by Canadian psychologist Robert D. Hare.
But what's more interesting about this triumvirate is the fact that it's being employed in the recent slew of corporate-backed, faux grassroots outbursts (also known as "astroturfing" campaigns) across the country.
Organizations behind these events, like Bonner & Associates and FreedomWorks, are promoting a mind-set that's textbook psychopathy. And like many psychopaths, they've been getting away with it for years.
It's easiest to understand this (admittedly nonexpert) diagnosis by breaking the behavior into individual categories. Let's kick it off with egocentrism.
In 2002, dozens of Maryland's community leaders received a faxed petition urging them to protect 600,000 lower-income families from escalating medical costs. The petition condemned a piece of legislation before the General Assembly that would purportedly devastate poor communities across the state.
But although the fax bore all the markings of a grassroots organization (it was riddled with typos and included a handwritten cover letter), it was actually a fabrication -- assembled by Bonner & Associates, a Washington "strategic grassroots" firm hired by Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA).
The goal was not to save low-income families; it was to use grassroots-mobilization tactics to rustle up support for a bill that threatened PhRMA's bloated economic interests.
When snagged in this lie, Bonner & Associates did not acknowledge dishonesty or wrongdoing. Instead, the company attempted to position itself as a champion of American ideals.
"It's a great exercise in the First Amendment," said Founder Jack Bonner. "The more people and organizations that come forward on your behalf, the better off you are in politics. It's democracy. That is what this is about."
So rather than recognizing its petition for what it was -- at best, a manipulation; at worst, a full-blown guerrilla attack on democratic processes -- Bonner & Associates chose to spin deception as a heroic exercise in patriotism.
This demonstrated a delusional egocentrism -- something not far from what Hare, in his book Without Conscience: The Disturbing World of the Psychopaths Among Us, calls "a narcissistic and grossly inflated sense of [the psychopath's] self-worth and importance."
Put a big, fat check mark next to Psychopathic Tendency No. 1.
Next up is a passion for "deceitful and manipulative behavior." To satisfy this requirement, we need not yet depart from the sinister shenanigans of Bonner & Associates.
Remember when Rep. Tom Perriello, D-Va., received Big Coal-sponsored Bonner forgeries from a nonprofit Hispanic group called Creciendo Juntos and from the NAACP a few weeks ago? Each invoked the concerns of phantom 'constituencies.'
Each urged Perriello to oppose the American Clean Energy and Security (ACES) Act, a controversial climate-change bill. The statement from Creciendo Juntos carried the signature of a made-up person (Marisse K. Acevedo) with a made-up title at the organization (assistant member coordinator), and lamented the "tight budgets" of its members. The NAACP's faux letter was equally reckless, directly contradicting the organization's official stance on ACES.
"They stole our name. They stole our logo. … They forged a letter and sent it to our congressman without our authorization," Tim Freilich, a member of Creciendo Juntos' executive committee, told Daily Progress. "It's this type of activity that undermines Americans' faith in democracy."
"I am very appalled, as the president, that our organization has been misrepresented in this way by this bogus … letter," said M. Rick Turner, head of the NAACP's Charlottesville branch. "I hope that whoever's behind this will be brought to justice."
So there's your fluency in lying and manipulation. But saying that Bonner & Associates has a knack for dishonesty would be a ridiculous understatement.
It's more appropriate to argue that deceit is central to the company's existence. Lies, being good at lying and not owning up to exposed lies are absolutely fundamental to astroturfing -- the technique's Miracle Gro, if you will.
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"...this (admittedly nonexpert) diagnosis"
Posted by: Sojourner on Aug 15, 2009 12:59 AM
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Posted by: Sojourner on Aug 15, 2009 12:59 AM
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The purpose of a diagnosis is not to then explain behavior but to enable a program of treatment. Any other use for a 'diagnosis' amounts to nothing more than name-calling.
For instance, one can assert that someone who employs the tactic for nothing more than journalistic exploitation is fixated in the oral-sadistic stage of development, wantonly devouring what is found, oblivious to any pain it causes.
To leave it there, however, is to be satisfied with what is even less than a half-truth. The appropriate therapy is psychoanalysis, enabling the fixated individual to move to the next stage of normal development: like from muck-raking to confessions.
For instance, one can assert that someone who employs the tactic for nothing more than journalistic exploitation is fixated in the oral-sadistic stage of development, wantonly devouring what is found, oblivious to any pain it causes.
To leave it there, however, is to be satisfied with what is even less than a half-truth. The appropriate therapy is psychoanalysis, enabling the fixated individual to move to the next stage of normal development: like from muck-raking to confessions.
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» RE: "...this (admittedly nonexpert) diagnosis"
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» RE: "...this (admittedly nonexpert) diagnosis"
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» That was my point. Irony escapes you?
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» RE: "...this (admittedly nonexpert) diagnosis"
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» "...'whys' are often, or might as well be, fabrications..."
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» "diagnosis"
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» RE: "diagnosis"! My darling Irish mother said to me at her knee....
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» A 'diagnosis' without a treatment program is just "psychobabble."
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Farting In Public Is OK.
Posted by: melpol on Aug 15, 2009 1:02 AM
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Posted by: melpol on Aug 15, 2009 1:02 AM
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There are criminal laws that must be observed and if a person follows them they are free to do as they please. Constantly farting or scratching your crotch in public is legal. So is being greedy or gluttonous. pinning a label on others such as "psycho or Sociopath" is just name calling which is also within the law.
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Make all politicians submit to that checklist as well...
Posted by: graemebacque on Aug 15, 2009 1:36 AM
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Posted by: graemebacque on Aug 15, 2009 1:36 AM
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And you might just be shocked - and terrified - by the results.
If you ask me there isn't a politico walking the earth nowadays who doesn't exhibit many of the characteristics attributed to psychopaths (a word I personally dislike, but unfortunately there's nothing more suitable for describing this particular defect of the human soul).
It isn't just the loose cannons who are running around trying to turn the health care debate into a violent melee whom we need to be worrying about in this regard. We also need to reserve a large measure of concern about the antics of their political masters.
The simple fact that elected (or non-elected, depending on what part of the world you call home) 'officials' can make the kind of decisions they do on a daily basis - and still be able to sleep at night - bears me out on this.
These are for the most part people without a conscience or any ability to empathize with others - the two truest indicators of psychopathy.
To sum up: WTF do we keep sending these dangerous individuals to public office??
If you ask me there isn't a politico walking the earth nowadays who doesn't exhibit many of the characteristics attributed to psychopaths (a word I personally dislike, but unfortunately there's nothing more suitable for describing this particular defect of the human soul).
It isn't just the loose cannons who are running around trying to turn the health care debate into a violent melee whom we need to be worrying about in this regard. We also need to reserve a large measure of concern about the antics of their political masters.
The simple fact that elected (or non-elected, depending on what part of the world you call home) 'officials' can make the kind of decisions they do on a daily basis - and still be able to sleep at night - bears me out on this.
These are for the most part people without a conscience or any ability to empathize with others - the two truest indicators of psychopathy.
To sum up: WTF do we keep sending these dangerous individuals to public office??
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» RE: Make all politicians submit to that checklist as well...
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» If we did this, the Great Halls would be empty!
Posted by: Steven Wanzell
» Because our electorates are too large.
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in a simpler (more primative?) society, people who endangered the group
Posted by: Suzon on Aug 15, 2009 1:43 AM
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Posted by: Suzon on Aug 15, 2009 1:43 AM
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were quietly disposed of.
The problem, though, isn't that there are psychopaths on the loose, but that they have long been able to influence legislation in their favor through corporate campaign donations.
Reform and regulation to prevent undue influence is the answer.
The problem, though, isn't that there are psychopaths on the loose, but that they have long been able to influence legislation in their favor through corporate campaign donations.
Reform and regulation to prevent undue influence is the answer.
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» Uh.. you talking 'bout Nazi Germany or about Fascist Italy with your 'group endangerment'?
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Right-wing think tanks as intellectual psychopathology
Posted by: Perry Logan on Aug 15, 2009 3:11 AM
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Right-wing think tanks are a case in point.
A right-wing think tank is more than just a really shallow tank. It is a group of people who are paid to make conservative policies look good. In other words, it is an exercise in intellectual psychopathology.
Because conservative policies tend not to work, the Right simply hire people to cook the stats, to write scientific-sounding tripe proving that bogus ideas are in fact good ideas and that failed policies were successful.
Let us pause for a moment of sheer amazement. Truly, these people are piece of work...
If you found out that your public-policy ideas had failed catastrophically everytime they were tried, would you 1) find out what was wrong with your ideas and change them, or 2) hire someone to lie to you?
That's one difference between you and a conservative.
A right-wing think tank produces stuff that looks like scholarship--except that the results are known beforehand. Also, not a word of this sh*t would ever pass peer review at a scholarly journal. It's just wingers projecting their reality--a donnish version of the townhall brouhahas.
People on the Right are not like you and me. They decide what they want to say...then hire people to cook up the desired results, i.e., "We need an article proving that welfare is expensive. Here's a million bucks," or "Wake up, guys. We need an article PRONTO proving everyone hates Social Security."
What kind of drugs do the think-tank people take to live with the fact that they are purveyers of intellectual garbage--or are they psychopaths, too?
There are a zillion think tanks, along with right-wing "news" outlets to help spread the gospel around. Keeping whackadoodle ideas alive requires constant life support. One think tank does nothing but grind out stats proving that guns are as nurturing as mother's milk. In fact, if we just had a few more guns, we'd all live forever.
A pathological belief system requires a pathological degree of support--and the Right have gotten what they paid for. A review of everything every right-wing think tank in the world ever wrote reveals that the Right has always been right about everything...and the left has always been wrong.
Ain't science great?
Bait & Switch
A right-wing think tank is more than just a really shallow tank. It is a group of people who are paid to make conservative policies look good. In other words, it is an exercise in intellectual psychopathology.
Because conservative policies tend not to work, the Right simply hire people to cook the stats, to write scientific-sounding tripe proving that bogus ideas are in fact good ideas and that failed policies were successful.
Let us pause for a moment of sheer amazement. Truly, these people are piece of work...
If you found out that your public-policy ideas had failed catastrophically everytime they were tried, would you 1) find out what was wrong with your ideas and change them, or 2) hire someone to lie to you?
That's one difference between you and a conservative.
A right-wing think tank produces stuff that looks like scholarship--except that the results are known beforehand. Also, not a word of this sh*t would ever pass peer review at a scholarly journal. It's just wingers projecting their reality--a donnish version of the townhall brouhahas.
People on the Right are not like you and me. They decide what they want to say...then hire people to cook up the desired results, i.e., "We need an article proving that welfare is expensive. Here's a million bucks," or "Wake up, guys. We need an article PRONTO proving everyone hates Social Security."
What kind of drugs do the think-tank people take to live with the fact that they are purveyers of intellectual garbage--or are they psychopaths, too?
There are a zillion think tanks, along with right-wing "news" outlets to help spread the gospel around. Keeping whackadoodle ideas alive requires constant life support. One think tank does nothing but grind out stats proving that guns are as nurturing as mother's milk. In fact, if we just had a few more guns, we'd all live forever.
A pathological belief system requires a pathological degree of support--and the Right have gotten what they paid for. A review of everything every right-wing think tank in the world ever wrote reveals that the Right has always been right about everything...and the left has always been wrong.
Ain't science great?
Bait & Switch
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» RE: ight-wing think tanks as intellectual psychopathology
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» Right-wing think tanks...an exercise in Sophistry/Sophism
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» RE: ight-wing think tanks as intellectual psychopathology
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The NEGATIVE Economic Pyramid
Posted by: CTC123 on Aug 15, 2009 4:27 AM
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Posted by: CTC123 on Aug 15, 2009 4:27 AM
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Connsider the Connection to:
"Astrofurfing" on the NEGATIVE Side of the
Economic Pyramid
At the top of the (N) Economic Pyramid
Corporation X_______(fill in the blank)
The consumers health & invironment(clean,air,& water) is not their concern. Their concern is the bottom line.$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Where is the Economic Pyramid?
Search 4 me:
CTC123GREEN
Great article, Byard Duncan
"Astrofurfing" on the NEGATIVE Side of the
Economic Pyramid
At the top of the (N) Economic Pyramid
Corporation X_______(fill in the blank)
The consumers health & invironment(clean,air,& water) is not their concern. Their concern is the bottom line.$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Where is the Economic Pyramid?
Search 4 me:
CTC123GREEN
Great article, Byard Duncan
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Sociopaths
Posted by: Purple Girl on Aug 15, 2009 4:40 AM
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Aug 15, 2009 4:40 AM
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Lack social conscience because they feel no Empathy towards otheres- the cornerstone to a Civilized society, and behavior.
The Repugs are not just he Party of "No",But "So".
Repugs have committed Generational Theft, and sacrific, for their own benefit for the last few decades.
More appropriate would be to call them paranoid,schizophrenic sociopaths with delusions of Granduer and propensity towards violence.
The Repugs are not just he Party of "No",But "So".
Repugs have committed Generational Theft, and sacrific, for their own benefit for the last few decades.
More appropriate would be to call them paranoid,schizophrenic sociopaths with delusions of Granduer and propensity towards violence.
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personality disorders...
Posted by: ellie on Aug 15, 2009 6:03 AM
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Posted by: ellie on Aug 15, 2009 6:03 AM
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such as sociopathology are personality disorders and are untreatable... you never know if what seems like a breakthrough is actually part of the act to manipulate for gain...
see the DSM IV...
the only thing you can do is leave them alone and protect others from them... they will never change... sound familiar???
back to coffee...
see the DSM IV...
the only thing you can do is leave them alone and protect others from them... they will never change... sound familiar???
back to coffee...
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» RE: personality disorders...
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Did you know that Obama may have been involved in planting bombs in the WTC on 9/11?
Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Aug 15, 2009 6:43 AM
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Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Aug 15, 2009 6:43 AM
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Not as an actual operator, but more as a kind of behind-the-scenes facilitator of the event. Why would he do this? Here he is on MSNBC with Keith Olbermann: Obama says "9/11 fever has broken"
"OBAMA: Well, first of all, I think it’s important for us to directly engage the issue of national security. You know, after 9/11, it was understandable that everybody rallied around the president. And I think that Democrats were hesitant to challenge the president on his national security agenda."
Obama is obviously a secret Nazi and he needs his own "Reichstag fire" in order to secure the kind of popularity that Hitler, I mean Bush, enjoyed. Didn't you see Obama and Bush shaking hands at the inauguration? Put it together, and the Truth becomes clear:
Obama and Bush are secretly plotting another 9/11! There's no other conclusion that fits the facts - it'll probably be a big nuclear bomb this time - who knows where - or maybe another biowarfare agent release. Regardless of what it is, it'll be enough to terrify you into abject submission to Obama and Bush's plans for World Government... or was it Imperial Domination?
Don't close your eyes, people - it's time for the Truthers to join hands with the Birthers and take back America!
"OBAMA: Well, first of all, I think it’s important for us to directly engage the issue of national security. You know, after 9/11, it was understandable that everybody rallied around the president. And I think that Democrats were hesitant to challenge the president on his national security agenda."
Obama is obviously a secret Nazi and he needs his own "Reichstag fire" in order to secure the kind of popularity that Hitler, I mean Bush, enjoyed. Didn't you see Obama and Bush shaking hands at the inauguration? Put it together, and the Truth becomes clear:
Obama and Bush are secretly plotting another 9/11! There's no other conclusion that fits the facts - it'll probably be a big nuclear bomb this time - who knows where - or maybe another biowarfare agent release. Regardless of what it is, it'll be enough to terrify you into abject submission to Obama and Bush's plans for World Government... or was it Imperial Domination?
Don't close your eyes, people - it's time for the Truthers to join hands with the Birthers and take back America!
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» RE: Did you know that Obama may have been involved in planting bombs in the WTC on 9/11?
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» ROFLMAO!
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Maybe not just name calling
Posted by: bentes on Aug 15, 2009 7:17 AM
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Posted by: bentes on Aug 15, 2009 7:17 AM
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I am no psychologist but reading the check list for diagnosis of psychopathy and although I understand the need to find an easy way to label and frame political opponents negatively, some two qualifying criteria appear scary to me: parasitic behavior and manipulation. And when I see what's going on in the Town Hall meetings, in the religious right crowds, in a substantial portion of the American people since the last 30 years, where people vote, think, against their own interest, I think there must be something there, no? Otherwise, if there are no psychopathy at the root of these problems, I, again as a none qualified practitioner and a very neurotic (I admit) person, will insist on a social diagnostic of serious social dysfunction or at least weird delusional mass hysteria. These at least are very politically correct as they diffuse responsibility. But wait! isn't deflecting responsibility another criteria... OMG!!!
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While everyone is diagnosing everyone else...
Posted by: KDelphi5950 on Aug 15, 2009 7:27 AM
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perhaps you should get licensed first, like I was.
First of all, while the difinition (the uS uses sociopathy now, anyway), might fit the leaders, the main audience is just terrified and ill-informed.
The Dems cater to them with their NRA, put out a bill that only a moderate-conservative could love, allowed peace protesters to be put in "free speech zones" at their own Dem Convention (true it was worse at gOP--so??), the so-called liberal MSM, spends most of its time on Sarah Palin, and the, you are surprised?
Dems brought it on themselves.
Give the true Left something worth supporting---we'll get rid of these guys, but not for your turkey of a bill. And i'm not gettin' my ass shot for the insurance industry, either.
First of all, while the difinition (the uS uses sociopathy now, anyway), might fit the leaders, the main audience is just terrified and ill-informed.
The Dems cater to them with their NRA, put out a bill that only a moderate-conservative could love, allowed peace protesters to be put in "free speech zones" at their own Dem Convention (true it was worse at gOP--so??), the so-called liberal MSM, spends most of its time on Sarah Palin, and the, you are surprised?
Dems brought it on themselves.
Give the true Left something worth supporting---we'll get rid of these guys, but not for your turkey of a bill. And i'm not gettin' my ass shot for the insurance industry, either.
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» Like the GOP, most Dems are corporate puppets.
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Sad and Disturbing BUT
Posted by: Gravitas on Aug 15, 2009 8:07 AM
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Posted by: Gravitas on Aug 15, 2009 8:07 AM
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are right wing groups the ONLY ones astroturfing? With some "progressive" sites (we won't mention names cough cough) dismissal of everyone questioning the official version of 911 as lunatics, I can't believe many organizations don't have hidden agendas. Maybe CIA and corporate agents have infiltrated progressive movements. I also believe the increased attention back to obesity and junk food is to pave the way for a junk food tax as one means to bail us out from the banking fiasco. But they are never going to say the same greedy rich slops need our every last dime. So they couch the new tax in social causes and the left is either a witting or unwitting dupe.
My experience is that when someone is pointing the finger at someone else, it is usually to deflect attention away from themselves. What is it Anais Ninn said? "Why don't see others as they are, we see them as we are!"
My experience is that when someone is pointing the finger at someone else, it is usually to deflect attention away from themselves. What is it Anais Ninn said? "Why don't see others as they are, we see them as we are!"
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Don't you guys know what a strategic deception operation is?
Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Aug 15, 2009 9:07 AM
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They date back to the early 20th century, when Russian Bolsheviks set up front groups that claimed to be centers of "White Russian Resistance" - which allowed the Bolsheviks to keep tabs on the opposition's plans.
The same tactics were used to disrupt the anti-war movements in the 1960s, with bogus front groups being run by the CIA (Operation Chaos, 1963-1969) and then by the FBI (Operation COINTELPRO, 1967-present). These were joint operations - for example, see this 1964 FBI memo:
ReBulet 4/3/64, FBI Director
"Relet enclosed copies of a mimeographed anonymous letter prepared by the Laboratory for use by the New York Office in a disruption tactic against the SWP [Socialist Worker's Party]. The New York Office had suggested this letter to bring discredit upon the Party in the Negro Civil Rights Field... it was written in a manner designed to direct suspicion as to its source upon the WWP, a rival in the Monroe defense movement."
In the late 1960s, the FBI was directly operating about a dozen 'underground newspapers' and had hundreds of informants and agents inside all manner of antiwar and civil rights groups.
When busted in the 1970s, they did not really stop, but instead tried to move the program to the private sector - private firms would now operate most such programs, and would be paid by large private foundations, financed by corporations and individuals with close ties to the military-industrial complex.
This is how the right-wing and left-wing non-profit media institutions get their funding.
The most obvious suspects are those who refuse to allow any public commentary on their sites, and which sprang into prominence AFTER the infamous WTO protests in Seattle - namely, Democracy Now! and Counterpunch. Amy Goodman came out of the CIA-linked Radcliffe Institute for Behavioral Studies at Harvard, for example - yes, this is shocking to the true believers, just as shocking as discovering that Rush Limbaugh is really a corporate tool, not a right-wing conservative advocate.
Want to piss off some liberal idiots? Tell them that their idol, Amy Goodman, is really a corporateCIA plant. Want to piss off some conservative idiots? Tell them that there idol, Rush Limbaugh, serves the same role.
It's just like during the slave era - the corporate left and the corporate right are in bed with one another, and the ordinary American citizen is the one who pays the price, while the billionaires get wealthier and wealthier.
The main foundation involved from the get-go was the Ford Foundation, by the way - but there are plenty of others.
This is why you don't see these 'non-profit liberal sites' doing anything to bring up the issues that led to the WTO protests in Seattle - all they do is spin those issues down. Amy Goodman's coverage of the Peru goverment's assault on the native Peruvians is typical - she claimed it was over, but full-scale oil development is still in progress there:
Peru to proceed with oil and gas auctions in the Amazon despite indigenous protests, mongabay.com August 07, 2009
Or, just review the Amy Goodman "Recreate 68" campaign, which was aimed at discrediting Democrats and handing the election to Republicans - which she can be counted on to do again. Why do you think she promotes Nader every chance she gets?
The same tactics were used to disrupt the anti-war movements in the 1960s, with bogus front groups being run by the CIA (Operation Chaos, 1963-1969) and then by the FBI (Operation COINTELPRO, 1967-present). These were joint operations - for example, see this 1964 FBI memo:
ReBulet 4/3/64, FBI Director
"Relet enclosed copies of a mimeographed anonymous letter prepared by the Laboratory for use by the New York Office in a disruption tactic against the SWP [Socialist Worker's Party]. The New York Office had suggested this letter to bring discredit upon the Party in the Negro Civil Rights Field... it was written in a manner designed to direct suspicion as to its source upon the WWP, a rival in the Monroe defense movement."
In the late 1960s, the FBI was directly operating about a dozen 'underground newspapers' and had hundreds of informants and agents inside all manner of antiwar and civil rights groups.
When busted in the 1970s, they did not really stop, but instead tried to move the program to the private sector - private firms would now operate most such programs, and would be paid by large private foundations, financed by corporations and individuals with close ties to the military-industrial complex.
This is how the right-wing and left-wing non-profit media institutions get their funding.
The most obvious suspects are those who refuse to allow any public commentary on their sites, and which sprang into prominence AFTER the infamous WTO protests in Seattle - namely, Democracy Now! and Counterpunch. Amy Goodman came out of the CIA-linked Radcliffe Institute for Behavioral Studies at Harvard, for example - yes, this is shocking to the true believers, just as shocking as discovering that Rush Limbaugh is really a corporate tool, not a right-wing conservative advocate.
Want to piss off some liberal idiots? Tell them that their idol, Amy Goodman, is really a corporateCIA plant. Want to piss off some conservative idiots? Tell them that there idol, Rush Limbaugh, serves the same role.
It's just like during the slave era - the corporate left and the corporate right are in bed with one another, and the ordinary American citizen is the one who pays the price, while the billionaires get wealthier and wealthier.
The main foundation involved from the get-go was the Ford Foundation, by the way - but there are plenty of others.
This is why you don't see these 'non-profit liberal sites' doing anything to bring up the issues that led to the WTO protests in Seattle - all they do is spin those issues down. Amy Goodman's coverage of the Peru goverment's assault on the native Peruvians is typical - she claimed it was over, but full-scale oil development is still in progress there:
Peru to proceed with oil and gas auctions in the Amazon despite indigenous protests, mongabay.com August 07, 2009
Or, just review the Amy Goodman "Recreate 68" campaign, which was aimed at discrediting Democrats and handing the election to Republicans - which she can be counted on to do again. Why do you think she promotes Nader every chance she gets?
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The astroturfers
Posted by: darter22 on Aug 15, 2009 9:14 AM
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Posted by: darter22 on Aug 15, 2009 9:14 AM
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better hope that their health insurance company doesn't consider "batshit crazy" to be a pre-existing condition. If they even have health insurance.
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Right wing articles
Posted by: James2 on Aug 15, 2009 9:43 AM
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Posted by: James2 on Aug 15, 2009 9:43 AM
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I have enjoyed reading from this site but it seems the articles are becoming more about "right-wingers" instead of the issues. Extremisim is a danger to society no matter if it is left or right. I could argue that "left-wingers" are more dangerouse because not only are they capable of harm but they are more educated the "right-wingers". You can write about whatever you want to and I can either read them or not. But as a reader I don't understand what is trying to be accomplished. They sure don't seem progressive.
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» There's no real left wing here. It's just a fake "left".
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» Certainly plenty of Republicans in 3rdie clothing here.
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ORGANIZED SOCIOPATHIC POLITICAL SOPHIST PROPAGNDISTS MUST BE CRIMINALIZED
Posted by: nobyjingo on Aug 15, 2009 10:03 AM
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Posted by: nobyjingo on Aug 15, 2009 10:03 AM
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I have found all of the tactics and procedures that the Right-Wing CONSERVATIVE EXTREMIST REPUBLICANS are using in their “organized sociopathic political sophist propaganda” in “Mein Kampf” by Adolph Hitler.
We all know what the result of “organized sociopathic political sophist propaganda” was on Germany, Italy, Europe, America and the rest of the world; if we do not want the SAME result in the 21st Century, it is necessary to make this type of “organized sociopathic political sophist propaganda” that is harmful to the National Security a treasonable offense.
“Organized Sociopathic Political Sophist Propaganda” Must Be Defined in Legislation As A High Crime. Political destruction of the communal wealth of the nation for minority interests of greed by allowing “organized sociopathic political sophist propagandists” to masquerade as legitimate political movements is the dilemma of both the Republican Party and to a lesser degree the Democratic Party that presently exists in the United States.
“Organized Sociopathic Political Sophist Propaganda” must be defined by law as a high crime, a felony, that is punishable by death or life imprisonment, death for greater offenses and life imprisonment for lesser offenses; "organized sociopathic political sophist propaganda" that resulted in the collapse of the economy, as is the current case in the United States has ramifications that are a threat to the National Security, and to the greater majority of the people of the nation that are much greater than the death of a single person, and must be punished more severely than just for the death of a single individual.
The RIGHT-WING CONSERVATIVE EXTREMIST REPUBLICAN MOVEMENT is a movement of "organized sociopathic political sophist propagandists", the results of the "organized sociopathic political sophist propaganda" of this movement, and the people involved as sophists in the RIGHT-WING CONSERVATIVE EXTREMIST REPUBLICAN MOVEMENT from the time of Goldwater through Reagan, Bush I and Bush II are all known, and the results of their "organized sociopathic political sophist propaganda" is known, can be collected as proof of intent and used to try, execute and imprison the responsible "organized sociopathic political sophist propagandists" as an example to political sophists in the future; we as a nation must have the resolve to make this happen.
We all know what the result of “organized sociopathic political sophist propaganda” was on Germany, Italy, Europe, America and the rest of the world; if we do not want the SAME result in the 21st Century, it is necessary to make this type of “organized sociopathic political sophist propaganda” that is harmful to the National Security a treasonable offense.
“Organized Sociopathic Political Sophist Propaganda” Must Be Defined in Legislation As A High Crime. Political destruction of the communal wealth of the nation for minority interests of greed by allowing “organized sociopathic political sophist propagandists” to masquerade as legitimate political movements is the dilemma of both the Republican Party and to a lesser degree the Democratic Party that presently exists in the United States.
“Organized Sociopathic Political Sophist Propaganda” must be defined by law as a high crime, a felony, that is punishable by death or life imprisonment, death for greater offenses and life imprisonment for lesser offenses; "organized sociopathic political sophist propaganda" that resulted in the collapse of the economy, as is the current case in the United States has ramifications that are a threat to the National Security, and to the greater majority of the people of the nation that are much greater than the death of a single person, and must be punished more severely than just for the death of a single individual.
The RIGHT-WING CONSERVATIVE EXTREMIST REPUBLICAN MOVEMENT is a movement of "organized sociopathic political sophist propagandists", the results of the "organized sociopathic political sophist propaganda" of this movement, and the people involved as sophists in the RIGHT-WING CONSERVATIVE EXTREMIST REPUBLICAN MOVEMENT from the time of Goldwater through Reagan, Bush I and Bush II are all known, and the results of their "organized sociopathic political sophist propaganda" is known, can be collected as proof of intent and used to try, execute and imprison the responsible "organized sociopathic political sophist propagandists" as an example to political sophists in the future; we as a nation must have the resolve to make this happen.
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» RE: ORGANIZED SOCIOPATHIC POLITICAL SOPHIST PROPAGNDISTS MUST BE CRIMINALIZED: LIKE ACORN??
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» RE: ORGANIZED SOCIOPATHIC POLITICAL SOPHIST PROPAGNDISTS MUST BE CRIMINALIZED: LIKE ACORN??
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Alternet sounding psychopathic
Posted by: tmgibs on Aug 15, 2009 10:25 AM
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Posted by: tmgibs on Aug 15, 2009 10:25 AM
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I signed up for this newsletter because my politics are pretty far outside the mainstream leaning pretty far left. I have to say though that many of the articles, like this one, show a complete lack of awareness about how other people will view this organization. Although I am inclined to support most of the issues that Alternet brings up, this lack of awareness and the blunt object approach to many issues makes Alternet seem increasingly incredible and uncreditable as either a news organization or even someplace where I would go to hear some well thought out opinions.
This is an organization that appears to be more driven by uninformed ideology, the kind that led to decades of terror in the Soviet Union, and I see no difference between right wing extremists and un-news like the Fox network and Alternet these days.
There is a lot of angst over the current health care debate, most of it not understood by Alternet fellow travelers that want to completely overthrow the current economic system. I am convinced that this should be done, but I want to see measured steps that start with reforming the health care system, not another insurance hokey pokey like we have been getting at the state level for the last 20 years. Insurance reform and adding another insurer to the mix won't do anything except make our economic recovery harder if we don't reform the health care system first. Insurance is a secondary issue and a symptom of a larger problem, not the problem.
This is an organization that appears to be more driven by uninformed ideology, the kind that led to decades of terror in the Soviet Union, and I see no difference between right wing extremists and un-news like the Fox network and Alternet these days.
There is a lot of angst over the current health care debate, most of it not understood by Alternet fellow travelers that want to completely overthrow the current economic system. I am convinced that this should be done, but I want to see measured steps that start with reforming the health care system, not another insurance hokey pokey like we have been getting at the state level for the last 20 years. Insurance reform and adding another insurer to the mix won't do anything except make our economic recovery harder if we don't reform the health care system first. Insurance is a secondary issue and a symptom of a larger problem, not the problem.
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» RE: Alternet sounding psychopathic
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» tmgibs supports single payer and now Quannah flip-flops
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» RE: tmgibs supports single payer and now Quannah flip-flops
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» RE: tmgibs supports single payer and now Quannah flip-flops
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» You're a self-canceller, max.
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» RE: You're a self-canceller, pelican fuck. REST IN PIECES !
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» You're a self-canceller, max.
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» RE: You're a self-canceller, pelican fuck. REST IN PIECES !
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» Now you're talking gibberish, max.
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» Say whatever gibberish you want, pelican fuck. REST IN PIECES !
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» And one more thing pelican fuck. GOD IS CONTINUING TO PUNISH AMERICA LIKE A BATTERING RAM !!
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» I rest my case.
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» Gibberish, max, gibberish. That's all you can write.
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» Keep talking. GOD IS PUNISHING YOU.
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» What's with that "GOD IS PUNISHING YOU" crap, max?
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» maxpayne, Mr. Pelican Beak has been a very naughty atheist and God is PUNISHING HIM ! LOL !
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» RE: tmgibs supports single payer and now Quannah flip-flops
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» Geez, are you doing PR work for United Health Group and Aetna or what?
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» No, tmgibs doesn't.
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» ROFLMAO AGAIN! "ALTERNET FELLOW TRAVELERS! OMG! OMG! OMG! N/T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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» RE: Alternet sounding psychopathic
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» RE: Alternet sounding psychopathic: HANG in there tmgibs!!
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Ever see the movie, The Corporation?
Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Aug 15, 2009 11:33 AM
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Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Aug 15, 2009 11:33 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hG-c1KY7Y4
"...it's all just a big elaborate ruse to gain information..."
"I don't feel any guilt. It's, you know what, you have to expect that guys like me are out there. We're predators."
"It's about competition. It's about market share. It's about being agreessive. It's about shareholder value. What is your stock at today?"
"If you're a CEO, I mean, do you think your shareholders really care if you're Billy Buttercup or not? Do you think they would prefer you to be a nice guy, over having money in their pocket? I don't think so. I think people want money. That's the bottom line"
Right? And if they think they can increase their bottom line by hiring ex-agents of the CIA and FBI to set up bogus new organizations, or PR firms to set up "grassroots organizations", then that is exactly what they will do - it's the history of PR going back to Bernays and Goebbels, the two fathers of the 20th century PR machine, which is what? a $6 billion.year industry in the U.S., all financed by the upper echelons of the corporatocracy, either directly as shareholders in media corporations, or indirectly as the principal donors to large private foundations that sponsor 'non-profits.'
So, why do they do this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoQOXepaCjk
"THE CORPORATION [9/23] Trading on 9/11"
"We were really excited... there wasn't a broker that I know of that wasn't excited about that... In devastation there is opportunity."
All the progressive left-wing outlets do is act to cover up just how rotten the overall situation is, and just how corrupt and idiotic the entire system has become - take the $700 billion bailout to banks - do you see the non-profit press investigating that? No. Do you see the corporate press investigating that? No.
You might find some independent blogs here and there - but why not pressure your local newspaper editor to put a reporter on that story? If he or she refuses, you'll at least know what the deal is.
What is really needed is the application of antitrust law to the media conglomerates as well as new transparency rules for non-profits and private foundations that allow the money to be traced back to its source.
"...it's all just a big elaborate ruse to gain information..."
"I don't feel any guilt. It's, you know what, you have to expect that guys like me are out there. We're predators."
"It's about competition. It's about market share. It's about being agreessive. It's about shareholder value. What is your stock at today?"
"If you're a CEO, I mean, do you think your shareholders really care if you're Billy Buttercup or not? Do you think they would prefer you to be a nice guy, over having money in their pocket? I don't think so. I think people want money. That's the bottom line"
Right? And if they think they can increase their bottom line by hiring ex-agents of the CIA and FBI to set up bogus new organizations, or PR firms to set up "grassroots organizations", then that is exactly what they will do - it's the history of PR going back to Bernays and Goebbels, the two fathers of the 20th century PR machine, which is what? a $6 billion.year industry in the U.S., all financed by the upper echelons of the corporatocracy, either directly as shareholders in media corporations, or indirectly as the principal donors to large private foundations that sponsor 'non-profits.'
So, why do they do this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoQOXepaCjk
"THE CORPORATION [9/23] Trading on 9/11"
"We were really excited... there wasn't a broker that I know of that wasn't excited about that... In devastation there is opportunity."
All the progressive left-wing outlets do is act to cover up just how rotten the overall situation is, and just how corrupt and idiotic the entire system has become - take the $700 billion bailout to banks - do you see the non-profit press investigating that? No. Do you see the corporate press investigating that? No.
You might find some independent blogs here and there - but why not pressure your local newspaper editor to put a reporter on that story? If he or she refuses, you'll at least know what the deal is.
What is really needed is the application of antitrust law to the media conglomerates as well as new transparency rules for non-profits and private foundations that allow the money to be traced back to its source.
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These Right-Wingers won't quit
Posted by: talkville on Aug 15, 2009 11:39 AM
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Posted by: talkville on Aug 15, 2009 11:39 AM
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until they get single prayer health care.
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» RE: These Right-Wingers won't quit: SAY what???
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» ROFL
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Here We Go Again
Posted by: jooljetkmae on Aug 15, 2009 11:51 AM
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Posted by: jooljetkmae on Aug 15, 2009 11:51 AM
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If you can't come up with an argument against your political opponents, then smear them as "fascist" and "psychopathic". This is about the dozenth recent article on Alternet denouncing right organizing as "fascist", or in the case of this article as somehow crazy.
What do you expect the health insurance and pharmaceutical industries to do? Not organize to defend their gravy train with propaganda? Corporate propaganda campaigns like the one we are seeing on the health care debate right now are as American as apple pie.
Face it, the reason why universal health care is going down to defeat is because the liberal's hero Obama has helped kill it by refusing to support single payer, and making back room deals with the health insurance and the pharmaceutical industries.
What do you expect the health insurance and pharmaceutical industries to do? Not organize to defend their gravy train with propaganda? Corporate propaganda campaigns like the one we are seeing on the health care debate right now are as American as apple pie.
Face it, the reason why universal health care is going down to defeat is because the liberal's hero Obama has helped kill it by refusing to support single payer, and making back room deals with the health insurance and the pharmaceutical industries.
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» BINGO ! You hit the nail on the head with the social issue distractions.
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» You're Probably Right...
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» RE: You're Probably Right...
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» How DARE you cop that bogus attitude, jennifer...
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» Oh poor little pelican boy.
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» I rest my case.
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» I haven't begun to rest my case.
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» I'm gonna have to side with JB on this one. PB and Beck don't get it.
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» Great! One of jennifer's "False Solomons" has stepped forward
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» And so pelican beak shows his intolerance of dissent like this.
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» Pelican Beak and Beck are always like that. They're not to be taken seriously.
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» Thank you Lex for that information. I shall keep that in mind.
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» RE: Thank you Lex for that information. I shall keep that in mind.
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» Lex and LMI, Mr. Pelican Beak has been a VERY VERY NAUGHTY ATHEIST and God is punishing him ! LOL !
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» RE: Lex and LMI, Mr. Pelican Beak has been a VERY VERY NAUGHTY ATHEIST and God is punishing him ! LO
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» A question for jennifer - why are you palling around with radical right wingers?
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sloppy and facile
Posted by: hilaryuk on Aug 15, 2009 12:00 PM
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While I can appreciate the underlying message of this piece, I am alienated by the extended metaphor/framework of abuse used - to spice up the thesis? to sound exciting? True psychopaths are relatively uncommon, a proportion are not particularly violent and there is some doubt about the validity of the term anyway, particularly when applied too liberally. I think the condition is untreatable in any real sense, but it probably is a form of mental illness (although I sometimes wonder whether sometimes we should just use the word "evil"). Oh, and the writer has been reading too much fiction if he really believes that most psychopaths are charming etc.
The activities referred to are not comparable with those of a psychopath, but rather more evocative of a sociopath. While not holding any particular brief for those of a psychopathic tendency, I am irritated by yet another lazy use of mental health labels as a term of abuse. 'Schizophrenic' and 'psychotic' are terms particularly beloved of headline writers, but both these adjectives cover a wide spectrum of disorders. Sometimes the illnesses themselves ruin lives, but just as often it is the ignorance of wider society that does the long term damage. Headlines such as the one above are an insidious part of the problem - which is a pity if the writer views himself as a progressive.
The activities referred to are not comparable with those of a psychopath, but rather more evocative of a sociopath. While not holding any particular brief for those of a psychopathic tendency, I am irritated by yet another lazy use of mental health labels as a term of abuse. 'Schizophrenic' and 'psychotic' are terms particularly beloved of headline writers, but both these adjectives cover a wide spectrum of disorders. Sometimes the illnesses themselves ruin lives, but just as often it is the ignorance of wider society that does the long term damage. Headlines such as the one above are an insidious part of the problem - which is a pity if the writer views himself as a progressive.
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This is why I believe,
Posted by: weslen1 on Aug 15, 2009 12:20 PM
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Anyone running for public office at any level of government should have to be psychologically tested and pass the test before being eligible to RUN.
I believe the recent RANTS from the RIGHT against empathy and the RANTS from the RIGHT and the Right leaning Dems against any help for less fortunate individuals, are proof this needs to be done. When the Right "prays" out loud, on national television, for SOMEONE, ANYONE, Bin Laden if possible, to detonate a WMD in the U.S. to "save the party", or states she wants to eliminate free school lunch programs because, "HUNGER IS GOOD FOR CHILDREN", meaning POOR children, because "HUNGER WILL MOTIVATE children to be better people than their "parents", Or when they rant against "government interference in health care" at the very same time they want to "interfere" and dictate what CARE a WOMAN can and cannot have, and more, they NEED treatment for their mental illnesses.
I do think the worst I've heard, though was an interview that Bill Moyers had with a pair of "Christians" the other day. I don't remember the names, but one was a Reverend, and the other was a Bishop. The rev. ranted about no government interference before he went into his rant against abortion and birth control. The Bishop was worse. Here's why. The Bishop is against any kind of health care for ALL and here's why. Not too long ago, he was diagnosed with cancer. He has great insurance, so he was treated right away, had his surgery and is now cancer free. BUT, and here's the disgusting part, he says IF everyone had health care HE might have had to wait behind someone else for HIS surgery and HE wouldn't be here today. He actually SAID he should not have to wait behind someone ELSE who is WORTH LESS "materially" than he is.
So, I really believe all potential office holders AND so-called "religious" leaders should be tested for psychosis BEFORE being allowed to RUN for office. These people are THERE to work for the good of the people NOT for their personal GAIN.
One other thing. When O'Connell interviewed the woman from the "town hall" who asked Grassley what he was going to do to "return this country back to what the founding fathers meant it to be", I wish he would have asked her, #1 "Is she referring to the part of the Constitution that denied citizenship to Black People because they were "property" and not "people", therefore not citizens, and rated them as 3/5th of a person for TAX purposes, and would she return them to slavery so that a black man cannot be educated, own property or MOST HORRENDOUS, become PRESIDENT of the United States. I believe THIS is what is really behind the "birther" "movement" AND the extreme Right Wing Wacko hatred of anything Obama tries to do.
And #2, I wish he would have asked her what she believes the Founding Fathers MEANT when they wrote "promote the public welfare". Does she think it meant "promote the welfare only of the richest 1 percent of the public" but throw the "peons" under the bus? Does she REALIZE she would be among those peons? Would she go back to the debtors prisons and work houses for the POOR and orphanages for the children as one of the "RIGHT"s heroes "The Newt" that should have BEEN neutered, once touted, also on television?
There are some truly sickening people over there on the RIGHT.
I believe the recent RANTS from the RIGHT against empathy and the RANTS from the RIGHT and the Right leaning Dems against any help for less fortunate individuals, are proof this needs to be done. When the Right "prays" out loud, on national television, for SOMEONE, ANYONE, Bin Laden if possible, to detonate a WMD in the U.S. to "save the party", or states she wants to eliminate free school lunch programs because, "HUNGER IS GOOD FOR CHILDREN", meaning POOR children, because "HUNGER WILL MOTIVATE children to be better people than their "parents", Or when they rant against "government interference in health care" at the very same time they want to "interfere" and dictate what CARE a WOMAN can and cannot have, and more, they NEED treatment for their mental illnesses.
I do think the worst I've heard, though was an interview that Bill Moyers had with a pair of "Christians" the other day. I don't remember the names, but one was a Reverend, and the other was a Bishop. The rev. ranted about no government interference before he went into his rant against abortion and birth control. The Bishop was worse. Here's why. The Bishop is against any kind of health care for ALL and here's why. Not too long ago, he was diagnosed with cancer. He has great insurance, so he was treated right away, had his surgery and is now cancer free. BUT, and here's the disgusting part, he says IF everyone had health care HE might have had to wait behind someone else for HIS surgery and HE wouldn't be here today. He actually SAID he should not have to wait behind someone ELSE who is WORTH LESS "materially" than he is.
So, I really believe all potential office holders AND so-called "religious" leaders should be tested for psychosis BEFORE being allowed to RUN for office. These people are THERE to work for the good of the people NOT for their personal GAIN.
One other thing. When O'Connell interviewed the woman from the "town hall" who asked Grassley what he was going to do to "return this country back to what the founding fathers meant it to be", I wish he would have asked her, #1 "Is she referring to the part of the Constitution that denied citizenship to Black People because they were "property" and not "people", therefore not citizens, and rated them as 3/5th of a person for TAX purposes, and would she return them to slavery so that a black man cannot be educated, own property or MOST HORRENDOUS, become PRESIDENT of the United States. I believe THIS is what is really behind the "birther" "movement" AND the extreme Right Wing Wacko hatred of anything Obama tries to do.
And #2, I wish he would have asked her what she believes the Founding Fathers MEANT when they wrote "promote the public welfare". Does she think it meant "promote the welfare only of the richest 1 percent of the public" but throw the "peons" under the bus? Does she REALIZE she would be among those peons? Would she go back to the debtors prisons and work houses for the POOR and orphanages for the children as one of the "RIGHT"s heroes "The Newt" that should have BEEN neutered, once touted, also on television?
There are some truly sickening people over there on the RIGHT.
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My message.
Posted by: Augustus_818 on Aug 15, 2009 12:53 PM
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Posted by: Augustus_818 on Aug 15, 2009 12:53 PM
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You know, I'm getting really sick and tired of this bullshit propaganda that whoever questions or criticizes the government is a borderline-psycho who eat babies in their spare time. And no I'm not a republican, nor do I work for any health insurance industry ( fuck! I haven't health insurance for over 10 years now!).
The liberals who are crying "Psycho!" are taking the same exact position the republicans did just 2 fucking years back when they were saying all liberals are "terrorist sympathizers".
There is no difference between Alternet and Fox News. Zero. And let me remind you that while you're playing grade school name calling games, people are dying. When you start showing me you're willing to do something and stop bullshiting, I'll be right behind you. Until then, you're just another propaganda-spewing waste of space. I'm an Anarcho-Libertarian. And I ( and I alone) approved this message.:)
The liberals who are crying "Psycho!" are taking the same exact position the republicans did just 2 fucking years back when they were saying all liberals are "terrorist sympathizers".
There is no difference between Alternet and Fox News. Zero. And let me remind you that while you're playing grade school name calling games, people are dying. When you start showing me you're willing to do something and stop bullshiting, I'll be right behind you. Until then, you're just another propaganda-spewing waste of space. I'm an Anarcho-Libertarian. And I ( and I alone) approved this message.:)
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» RE: My message.
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» RE: My message.
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» RE: My message. Believable?? You are
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» RE: My message. You are NOT alone!!
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» RE: My message. You are NOT alone!!
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» RE: My message. You are NOT alone!!
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» It's too easy to get mistaken as "Republican" on this site. Independent thinking needs to improve.
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I think it long past time we take a good hard look at our so-called "war on drugs"
Posted by: foreverhope on Aug 15, 2009 2:03 PM
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Posted by: foreverhope on Aug 15, 2009 2:03 PM
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What a waste! The $$$$$$, trillions of dollars when one combines the human misery of it. What a terrible terrible waste to our society.
I think it is imperative a discussion begin on re-evaluting nearly immediately what we are going to do about that.
God knows it is long past due.
I say let the non-violent three time drug offenders out and put the fascists.
I think it is imperative a discussion begin on re-evaluting nearly immediately what we are going to do about that.
God knows it is long past due.
I say let the non-violent three time drug offenders out and put the fascists.
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» Yep. Can't argue with that.
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» RE: I think it long past time we take a good hard look: at Ron Paul??
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» RE: OOOH! Hit a nerve?? I think it long past time we take a good hard look: at Ron Paul??
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» You didn't "hit a nerve". You belched a straw man argument.
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» RE: You didn't "hit a nerve". You belched a straw man argument.
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» Sit down and give your mind a rest.
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» RE: Sit down and give your mind a rest.
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» I asked you for examples, not fact-free psychotic rambling.
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» RE: Sit down and give your mind a rest.
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» RE: I think it long past time we take a good hard look: at Ron Paul??
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» RE: I think it long past time we take a good hard look: at Ron Paul??
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» Ron Paul is a conservative Republican and anyone who doubts that should google these words
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» "Abortion" does not dictate conservative Repub. What about the Blue Dog Demos who side against it?
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» Ron Paul's words. (can you even stay on topic?)
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» RE: on Paul's words. (can you even stay on topic?)
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The rightwing fundies are only a symptom of what's wrong with our system.
Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 15, 2009 4:43 PM
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Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 15, 2009 4:43 PM
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Until the Democratic Party has more bravehearts ala Kucinich and Gravel, the fundies are "free" to wag their fingers as they please. If Congress wants to play "puppets", then they're the ones who need to be replaced with ones who won't and are willing to be immune to all this rightwing bullshit. Don't treat the symptom. Treat the problem.
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Any Florida Lawyers Out There?
Posted by: ender on Aug 15, 2009 6:10 PM
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Posted by: ender on Aug 15, 2009 6:10 PM
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About ten years ago, a law was passed in Florida to protect senior citizens from predatory marketing (it was specifically aimed at Ed McMahon's "You may have won $1,000,000" sweepstakes).
Is there any way this piece of consumer protection can be used against the insurance industry, conservative radio, Fox "News" et al with regards to marketing blatantly false information to Florida's seniors regarding health care reform in order to bilk them out of money?
Is there any way this piece of consumer protection can be used against the insurance industry, conservative radio, Fox "News" et al with regards to marketing blatantly false information to Florida's seniors regarding health care reform in order to bilk them out of money?
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» RE: Any Florida Lawyers Out There? NOT up in here!! :-)
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After reading SO DAMN MANY posts from these PaulObots & examining history I have a theory
Posted by: foreverhope on Aug 15, 2009 6:09 PM
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Posted by: foreverhope on Aug 15, 2009 6:09 PM
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I have a passion for many things in life! I pray and hope all of you do!
Politics (duh @ ;-D)!
World history, ravenous for anything Irish and to understand the relentless pain of my own people. I am an insatiably curious person when I get my teeth into something!
So today I took some time to look out the window and ponder a few things and I've developed a theory. I hope you can bear with me!
Understanding all too well the brutality of the Britsh Empire, ruthless brutality I don't hold anyone alive today responsible for except those that continue to practice semi-human techniques still used today in No. Ireland. We all know what the British Empire did, and that is one reason some left and came here to begin a new life. Of course, not to left unsaid, we know what happened in that coming to the Native Americans.
Now we have our sacred Constitution and our brilliant Founding Fathers, risking everything, establish this great Nation.
With this we are on our way. Ever more empowered, with evil Irish saliwags, no doubts there, and lots of real good folk, begin populating our Country.
We can fill in the blanks till now.
NOW! We have an ENORMOUS Country! Rabid Constitutionalists, waving bibles, guns, and our Constitution, wrapped in the our flag, wearing tee-shirts proudly displaying the blood of T. McVeigh and his many victims! Inciting riots! Carrying loaded arms arms and other weapons to our Town Hall meetings. Attempting to bully us, BULLY US!
They want Paul. They want him as prez. They won't stop till they get him. They would love Sick Dick as VP. It's Paul with anybody as VP believe you me. They would love love love to make Paul the Emperor/Dictator of our great ol' U.S. of A.
Then Sick Dick is there again. Doing what Sick Dick and his bloody demonistic pals with THE FAMILY want to do more than BLOODY ANYTHING!
Make sick dick our next napolean? our next czar?
There! Our sacred Constitution, bestowed upon us with the very blood of our Founding Fathers, is being used, USED, even RAPED is not too strong a word at the point, to interfere with our democratic process and over-throw our Gov't.
Their plan was thwarted when President Obama was elected. They are such morons they actually believed no one would elect a person with dark skin to the highest office in our Country.
Crazy crazy crazy now, enraged at being so badly wounded and thwarted, their evil grand dreams evaporating before their eyes, we see what we are seeing.
There is my theory.
Look out when Hopie starts thinking! @ :-D)
Politics (duh @ ;-D)!
World history, ravenous for anything Irish and to understand the relentless pain of my own people. I am an insatiably curious person when I get my teeth into something!
So today I took some time to look out the window and ponder a few things and I've developed a theory. I hope you can bear with me!
Understanding all too well the brutality of the Britsh Empire, ruthless brutality I don't hold anyone alive today responsible for except those that continue to practice semi-human techniques still used today in No. Ireland. We all know what the British Empire did, and that is one reason some left and came here to begin a new life. Of course, not to left unsaid, we know what happened in that coming to the Native Americans.
Now we have our sacred Constitution and our brilliant Founding Fathers, risking everything, establish this great Nation.
With this we are on our way. Ever more empowered, with evil Irish saliwags, no doubts there, and lots of real good folk, begin populating our Country.
We can fill in the blanks till now.
NOW! We have an ENORMOUS Country! Rabid Constitutionalists, waving bibles, guns, and our Constitution, wrapped in the our flag, wearing tee-shirts proudly displaying the blood of T. McVeigh and his many victims! Inciting riots! Carrying loaded arms arms and other weapons to our Town Hall meetings. Attempting to bully us, BULLY US!
They want Paul. They want him as prez. They won't stop till they get him. They would love Sick Dick as VP. It's Paul with anybody as VP believe you me. They would love love love to make Paul the Emperor/Dictator of our great ol' U.S. of A.
Then Sick Dick is there again. Doing what Sick Dick and his bloody demonistic pals with THE FAMILY want to do more than BLOODY ANYTHING!
Make sick dick our next napolean? our next czar?
There! Our sacred Constitution, bestowed upon us with the very blood of our Founding Fathers, is being used, USED, even RAPED is not too strong a word at the point, to interfere with our democratic process and over-throw our Gov't.
Their plan was thwarted when President Obama was elected. They are such morons they actually believed no one would elect a person with dark skin to the highest office in our Country.
Crazy crazy crazy now, enraged at being so badly wounded and thwarted, their evil grand dreams evaporating before their eyes, we see what we are seeing.
There is my theory.
Look out when Hopie starts thinking! @ :-D)
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» Paul's for saving the Constitution. Bush and Obama aren't. Plus HR1866.
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» RE: Paul's for saving the Constitution. Bush and Obama aren't. Plus HR1866.
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» RE: Paul's for saving the Constitution. Obama is not.
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» RE: Paul's for saving the Constitution. Obama is not.
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» RE: Paul's for saving the Constitution. Obama is not.
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» Remember Cheney's demeanor when he was wheeled out of office...
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» I'm just trying to connect the dots....
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» When I was on that bloody wretched FAKE NEOCON RACIST website!
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» RE: When I was on that bloody wretched FAKE NEOCON RACIST website!
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» RE: After reading SO DAMN MANY posts from these PaulObots & examining history I have a theory
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» Google "Ron Paul and abortion" and read his own words. He's a conservative Republican
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» If Ron Paul is a "conservative Republican" based on "abortion", then the Blue Dogs are
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The GOP Is America's Abusive Ex
Posted by: philosimphy on Aug 15, 2009 6:31 PM
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Posted by: philosimphy on Aug 15, 2009 6:31 PM
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Bitter, vengeful, spiteful, jealous, and prone to violence.
They had us for 8 years. And they lied to us, and spied on us, and chipped away at our freedoms bit by bit.
And finally, we had had enough. We broke up with the GOP, and they are pissed as hell about that. They’ll teach us a lesson, oh yes they will. You thought it was bad when they had you for their very own? HA!
They’d rather see us dead than happy and healthy with someone else.
If the GOP can’t have us, nobody can.
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They had us for 8 years. And they lied to us, and spied on us, and chipped away at our freedoms bit by bit.
And finally, we had had enough. We broke up with the GOP, and they are pissed as hell about that. They’ll teach us a lesson, oh yes they will. You thought it was bad when they had you for their very own? HA!
They’d rather see us dead than happy and healthy with someone else.
If the GOP can’t have us, nobody can.
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You can't reason with irrational people...
Posted by: zugzwang on Aug 15, 2009 6:32 PM
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Posted by: zugzwang on Aug 15, 2009 6:32 PM
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This is why Obama's stance of negotiating and finding common ground is so annoying. There is no middle ground between humane values and egocentric, conscienceless ruthlessness. These folks are not going to meet in the middle with some compassion and reason.
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You wanna see REAL astro turf? Look to ACORN & the SEIU!!
Posted by: SamFox on Aug 15, 2009 9:17 PM
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They are those who do what you accuse us of doing. When we do it it's astro turf. When they do it it's grassroots? Kinda backwards if ya think about it.
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,539702,00.html
At one town hall an SEIU dude punched a black man.
http://tinyurl.com/lo6zdr
Can we do that too? NOPE!! Nor should we.
I don't like the yelling that has been done by some of those who protest BO's take overs. I would guess that these folks are fed up with not being represented by their elected officials.
Remember, the frustration we feel with the fed gov did not start with Mr O. It's been brewing a long time. Few of us were happy with GW. We did NOT like GW's power grab with the 'Patriot' Act & a host of other things. Also with Clinton who gave us NAFTA. Also the raids on the SS trust fund that was started by Dems & then the D's joined up. Then there was the blow hard Newt & the BS Contract With America. IMO the reason this has reached a head is because Mr O has kept the Bush thing going, only on hyper drive. So far Mr O has brought no real change. He has not rescinded the 'Patriot' Act or lowered spending or even proposed shrinking the fed gov. Instead we are now hearing calls to increase the US debt ceiling. Boy can we afford to do that! NOT!!
Let me get this straight. Those who oppose BO are astro turf, but the bused in ACORN & SEIU peeps are grass roots? Well, if you say so...but I ain't buying!
Is this an example of grass roots?
http://tinyurl.com/mxcnlf
Boy! Would I love to get paid $15 an hr to do what I now do for free!! But, alas, the RNC won't answer my EMs. Oh well....In fact, they have yet to send me any of kind of job offers. I can only hope!! :-) They have not even asked me to show up any where!!
SamFox
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,539702,00.html
At one town hall an SEIU dude punched a black man.
http://tinyurl.com/lo6zdr
Can we do that too? NOPE!! Nor should we.
I don't like the yelling that has been done by some of those who protest BO's take overs. I would guess that these folks are fed up with not being represented by their elected officials.
Remember, the frustration we feel with the fed gov did not start with Mr O. It's been brewing a long time. Few of us were happy with GW. We did NOT like GW's power grab with the 'Patriot' Act & a host of other things. Also with Clinton who gave us NAFTA. Also the raids on the SS trust fund that was started by Dems & then the D's joined up. Then there was the blow hard Newt & the BS Contract With America. IMO the reason this has reached a head is because Mr O has kept the Bush thing going, only on hyper drive. So far Mr O has brought no real change. He has not rescinded the 'Patriot' Act or lowered spending or even proposed shrinking the fed gov. Instead we are now hearing calls to increase the US debt ceiling. Boy can we afford to do that! NOT!!
Let me get this straight. Those who oppose BO are astro turf, but the bused in ACORN & SEIU peeps are grass roots? Well, if you say so...but I ain't buying!
Is this an example of grass roots?
http://tinyurl.com/mxcnlf
Boy! Would I love to get paid $15 an hr to do what I now do for free!! But, alas, the RNC won't answer my EMs. Oh well....In fact, they have yet to send me any of kind of job offers. I can only hope!! :-) They have not even asked me to show up any where!!
SamFox
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» RE: I may not agree with everything but you sure hit 'em hard.
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» Ralph Nader's praise for ACORN
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"Cybertribualism" -my word an active example is happing now.
Posted by: thearmadillo on Aug 15, 2009 10:42 PM
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A word “healthcare”
Of course there will be others pop up
I have spoke of "cybertribualism" -my word and this seems to prove that we have come to the level of "Cro-Magnon man" again as reason and the use of gray mater to stop, look, listen and reason to find solutions for direction for problem solving has reverted back to "grunting and clubs".
We now have groups of electronic tribes that float mindless in cyberspace leaching to
The emotional trash and garbage of the public relations and marketing gang of "if you have the price we will create professional lie's for you to prove what ever you desire" you provide the animal passion and meat eating hunger for the blood lust.
It always benefits those that want money , power, and control.
It seems we are still in the caves grunting and procreating like animals.
There is hope as always that the gray matter and calm can see the light of truth will over power the screaming and bloodlettings of those that can only see fear and are afraid to step out into the knowledge of light and the ever changing truth of living,
It is a walkabout we all take in this journey called life and it waits for no one
This is what “freedom is all about” it is always your choice..
I all have to say watching the actions of what I would call the lost souls it the ugly anger and hate trying to hide fear screaming and if they had a gun killing
Some poor soul there looking for answers about their child dying or a senior there wondering if they should buy a pill or cat food to live.
The animal in man is truly ugly.
Of course this is just an observation of the great armadillo,
Barrow A. Dillo
I am a Korean vet Marine Corps and I did not go to war to live and see the hate of the Nazi:
The Nazi Party was formed in Munich after World War I. It advocated right-wing authoritarian nationalist government and developed a racist ideology based on anti-Semitism and a belief in the superiority of “Aryan” Germans. Its charismatic leader, Adolph Hitler, who was elected Chancellor in 1933, established a totalitarian dictatorship, rearmed Germany in support of expansionist foreign policies in central Europe, and thus precipitated World War II. The Nazi Party collapsed at the end of the war and was outlawed in Germany.
this for the non think group from the lost ghettos a note:
ghetto |_get|
noun ( pl. -tos or -toes)
a part of a city, esp. a slum area, occupied by a minority group or groups.
ORIGIN early 17th cent.: perhaps from Italian ghetto ‘foundry’ (because the first ghetto was established in 1516 on the site of a foundry in Venice), or from Italian borghetto, diminutive of borgo ‘borough.’
Now lets speak of :
e v a n g e l I c a l | Ã I v a n » j e l I k Y l |
z e a l o u s I n a d v o c a t I n g s o m e t h I n g .
n o u n
a m e m b e r o f t h e v a n g e l I c a l t r a d I t I o n I n t h e C h r I s t I a n C h u r c h.
stop acting like animals and stand up to the responsibility of all that are in this walkabout called life.
Of course there will be others pop up
I have spoke of "cybertribualism" -my word and this seems to prove that we have come to the level of "Cro-Magnon man" again as reason and the use of gray mater to stop, look, listen and reason to find solutions for direction for problem solving has reverted back to "grunting and clubs".
We now have groups of electronic tribes that float mindless in cyberspace leaching to
The emotional trash and garbage of the public relations and marketing gang of "if you have the price we will create professional lie's for you to prove what ever you desire" you provide the animal passion and meat eating hunger for the blood lust.
It always benefits those that want money , power, and control.
It seems we are still in the caves grunting and procreating like animals.
There is hope as always that the gray matter and calm can see the light of truth will over power the screaming and bloodlettings of those that can only see fear and are afraid to step out into the knowledge of light and the ever changing truth of living,
It is a walkabout we all take in this journey called life and it waits for no one
This is what “freedom is all about” it is always your choice..
I all have to say watching the actions of what I would call the lost souls it the ugly anger and hate trying to hide fear screaming and if they had a gun killing
Some poor soul there looking for answers about their child dying or a senior there wondering if they should buy a pill or cat food to live.
The animal in man is truly ugly.
Of course this is just an observation of the great armadillo,
Barrow A. Dillo
I am a Korean vet Marine Corps and I did not go to war to live and see the hate of the Nazi:
The Nazi Party was formed in Munich after World War I. It advocated right-wing authoritarian nationalist government and developed a racist ideology based on anti-Semitism and a belief in the superiority of “Aryan” Germans. Its charismatic leader, Adolph Hitler, who was elected Chancellor in 1933, established a totalitarian dictatorship, rearmed Germany in support of expansionist foreign policies in central Europe, and thus precipitated World War II. The Nazi Party collapsed at the end of the war and was outlawed in Germany.
this for the non think group from the lost ghettos a note:
ghetto |_get|
noun ( pl. -tos or -toes)
a part of a city, esp. a slum area, occupied by a minority group or groups.
ORIGIN early 17th cent.: perhaps from Italian ghetto ‘foundry’ (because the first ghetto was established in 1516 on the site of a foundry in Venice), or from Italian borghetto, diminutive of borgo ‘borough.’
Now lets speak of :
e v a n g e l I c a l | Ã I v a n » j e l I k Y l |
z e a l o u s I n a d v o c a t I n g s o m e t h I n g .
n o u n
a m e m b e r o f t h e v a n g e l I c a l t r a d I t I o n I n t h e C h r I s t I a n C h u r c h.
stop acting like animals and stand up to the responsibility of all that are in this walkabout called life.
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» An active example of "cybertribalism" (my word) is happening now.
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I think it has been well-established that corporations in general...
Posted by: leafsong1 on Aug 16, 2009 7:58 AM
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...are by law and custom psychopathic. If they really were citizens, we would have to lock them up in institutions for the incurably and criminally insane to protect the rest of society. Instead they roam free trying to brainwash us into believing that we share their megalomaniac devotion to eternally increasing short-term profits through their vast armies of professional liars. Why do we continue to tolerate their existence?
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Astroturfers provide cover for Democratic crooks
Posted by: leafsong1 on Aug 16, 2009 8:19 AM
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Posted by: leafsong1 on Aug 16, 2009 8:19 AM
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Once again, it must be noted that the Democrats in Congress have clearly shown that they are only interested in passing a "reform" that would put the interests of the health and pharmaceutical industries above the intersts of the American people. It is obvious that any plan they produce and pass will shovel huge gobs of taxpayer dollars into the pockets of these death-profiteers. It is also obvious that graft is the reason for their behavior. The purpose of the astroturfers is simply to make all these obvious observations inobvious. They exist to afflict the American people with the illusion of a functioning republic where no such republic exists. They produce the illusion of dissent and political process where both parties are in essential agreement and all decisions are made by sale of votes to the highest bidder. The provide the illusion of democracy where the practical outcome of all elections is decided months in advance in what used to be referred to as "smoke-filled rooms," while senators and congressmen wait outside to learn their assigned positions, tasks, and fates. A poster above referred to Mein Kampf, but only understood the half of it. Astroturfers are there to provide consistency for the propaganda of both parties, which is really all just one big, bipartisan lie. Our consent is thus manufactured out of their feigned dissent.
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No, It was an Outright Lie
Posted by: LeaderofMen on Aug 16, 2009 12:36 PM
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Posted by: LeaderofMen on Aug 16, 2009 12:36 PM
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"So rather than recognizing its petition for what it was -- at best, a manipulation; at worst, a full-blown guerrilla attack on democratic processes -- Bonner & Associates chose to spin deception as a heroic exercise in patriotism.
This demonstrated a delusional egocentrism..."
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No, it was an outright lie. They had a contingency plan already ready to go. Bonner & Asses (oh, I guess that's abbreviated Asso.) knew precisely what they were doing, and were ready with a response once their lie went public.
One of the serious problems with the US today is the fact that the media is owned by only a few companies, have rightwing owners, and deep pockets with which to influence public opinion. Today's media is 'lazy', which is a euphemism for 'do not dig deeply into real issues because you will lose your job if it goes the wrong way'.
Journalists will lose their jobs if they don't present issues as 'balanced'. For example. There is no issue whatsoever that neo-Darwinian evolution is how life changed over time. But journalists are told to 'present both sides'. Sorry. There is no other side. What there is is a claim, with no evidence and with a religious notion at its foundation. That isn't a side. It's a discredited Bronze Age belief. But when journalists are told to present issues such as that as having another 'side', we all lose.
The same goes for climate change. There is no other 'side'. The evidence says we are the cause of our current bout of warming. If journalists weren't stuck having to make a paycheck from a company headed by a Republican CEO they might actually be able to report issues as they really are.
This demonstrated a delusional egocentrism..."
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No, it was an outright lie. They had a contingency plan already ready to go. Bonner & Asses (oh, I guess that's abbreviated Asso.) knew precisely what they were doing, and were ready with a response once their lie went public.
One of the serious problems with the US today is the fact that the media is owned by only a few companies, have rightwing owners, and deep pockets with which to influence public opinion. Today's media is 'lazy', which is a euphemism for 'do not dig deeply into real issues because you will lose your job if it goes the wrong way'.
Journalists will lose their jobs if they don't present issues as 'balanced'. For example. There is no issue whatsoever that neo-Darwinian evolution is how life changed over time. But journalists are told to 'present both sides'. Sorry. There is no other side. What there is is a claim, with no evidence and with a religious notion at its foundation. That isn't a side. It's a discredited Bronze Age belief. But when journalists are told to present issues such as that as having another 'side', we all lose.
The same goes for climate change. There is no other 'side'. The evidence says we are the cause of our current bout of warming. If journalists weren't stuck having to make a paycheck from a company headed by a Republican CEO they might actually be able to report issues as they really are.
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On the subject of psycopathic delusion...
Posted by: james108 on Aug 16, 2009 3:43 PM
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PBS seems to be doing a 911 search for truth thing today. Honestly, I think left and right as they call themselves are full of crap when they ignore things like this.
The government and media suppression of investigation and accountability on this, the very excuse they used to take away the constitution, or make it conditional, whatever you want to call it, is more important than a couple right wing loons right now.
The government and media suppression of investigation and accountability on this, the very excuse they used to take away the constitution, or make it conditional, whatever you want to call it, is more important than a couple right wing loons right now.
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ARE YOU STILL COMMITTED OR NOT?
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Where is the force of people who worked so hard to get Obama elected now that theya re needed to counter the crazies attending these meetings and spewing forth their lies, and hatred. Are we no longer as committed to the message as we where in getting the messenger elected. Without a much stronger show of force, Obama and the Dems (especially the Dems) will be forced to back down) WHERE ARE ALL OF YOU COMMITTED LIBERALS AND PROGRESSIVES - STAND UP AND BE HEARD INSTEAD OF SIMPLY WRITING ABOUT THE DECLINE AND FALL OF THE REPUBS......GET AND AND DO SOMETHING BE SEEN, BE HEARD BE VISIBLE!!!!!!WHY ARE WE NOT OUT IN FORCE SHOWING OUR SUPPORT AND GETTING OUR MESSAGE OUT?
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The Corporation Film - Corporations are Psychopaths
Posted by: WillemPenn on Aug 28, 2009 10:50 AM
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Okay, this is old news and may have already been posted here, but check out The Corporation, a film that posits that corporations are psychopaths.
Anyone (Republican, Democrat, or just gullible citizen) who is seduced by corporations (through campaign funding or deceptive ad campaigns) is going to exhibit psychopathic behavior when it comes to defending those corporations.
Republicans are the party of free market economics and advocates of corporations, so it should not surprise us that they exhibit psychopathic behavior. But to say that they, as a party, are psychopaths is overreaching.
(FYI, I'm a socialist, so I am not defending the Republican party. I am just trying to point out the dangers of making broad generalizations about any one group).
Anyone (Republican, Democrat, or just gullible citizen) who is seduced by corporations (through campaign funding or deceptive ad campaigns) is going to exhibit psychopathic behavior when it comes to defending those corporations.
Republicans are the party of free market economics and advocates of corporations, so it should not surprise us that they exhibit psychopathic behavior. But to say that they, as a party, are psychopaths is overreaching.
(FYI, I'm a socialist, so I am not defending the Republican party. I am just trying to point out the dangers of making broad generalizations about any one group).
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The Corporation...?
Posted by: maddy141 on Sep 4, 2009 9:02 PM
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I believe they made a movie very similar to this a few years ago...
This not so enlightening/original feature was very disappointing. I failed to see how this "diagnosis" served the story other than to promote hysteria. Calm, considered, rational arguments will receive far more respect than lefty tabloid trash. An interesting issue, poorly delivered...
This not so enlightening/original feature was very disappointing. I failed to see how this "diagnosis" served the story other than to promote hysteria. Calm, considered, rational arguments will receive far more respect than lefty tabloid trash. An interesting issue, poorly delivered...
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"...this (admittedly nonexpert) diagnosis"
Posted by: Sojourner on Aug 15, 2009 12:59 AM
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The purpose of a diagnosis is not to then explain behavior but to enable a program of treatment. Any other use for a 'diagnosis' amounts to nothing more than name-calling.
For instance, one can assert that someone who employs the tactic for nothing more than journalistic exploitation is fixated in the oral-sadistic stage of development, wantonly devouring what is found, oblivious to any pain it causes.
To leave it there, however, is to be satisfied with what is even less than a half-truth. The appropriate therapy is psychoanalysis, enabling the fixated individual to move to the next stage of normal development: like from muck-raking to confessions.
For instance, one can assert that someone who employs the tactic for nothing more than journalistic exploitation is fixated in the oral-sadistic stage of development, wantonly devouring what is found, oblivious to any pain it causes.
To leave it there, however, is to be satisfied with what is even less than a half-truth. The appropriate therapy is psychoanalysis, enabling the fixated individual to move to the next stage of normal development: like from muck-raking to confessions.
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» "diagnosis"
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Farting In Public Is OK.
Posted by: melpol on Aug 15, 2009 1:02 AM
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There are criminal laws that must be observed and if a person follows them they are free to do as they please. Constantly farting or scratching your crotch in public is legal. So is being greedy or gluttonous. pinning a label on others such as "psycho or Sociopath" is just name calling which is also within the law.
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Make all politicians submit to that checklist as well...
Posted by: graemebacque on Aug 15, 2009 1:36 AM
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And you might just be shocked - and terrified - by the results.
If you ask me there isn't a politico walking the earth nowadays who doesn't exhibit many of the characteristics attributed to psychopaths (a word I personally dislike, but unfortunately there's nothing more suitable for describing this particular defect of the human soul).
It isn't just the loose cannons who are running around trying to turn the health care debate into a violent melee whom we need to be worrying about in this regard. We also need to reserve a large measure of concern about the antics of their political masters.
The simple fact that elected (or non-elected, depending on what part of the world you call home) 'officials' can make the kind of decisions they do on a daily basis - and still be able to sleep at night - bears me out on this.
These are for the most part people without a conscience or any ability to empathize with others - the two truest indicators of psychopathy.
To sum up: WTF do we keep sending these dangerous individuals to public office??
If you ask me there isn't a politico walking the earth nowadays who doesn't exhibit many of the characteristics attributed to psychopaths (a word I personally dislike, but unfortunately there's nothing more suitable for describing this particular defect of the human soul).
It isn't just the loose cannons who are running around trying to turn the health care debate into a violent melee whom we need to be worrying about in this regard. We also need to reserve a large measure of concern about the antics of their political masters.
The simple fact that elected (or non-elected, depending on what part of the world you call home) 'officials' can make the kind of decisions they do on a daily basis - and still be able to sleep at night - bears me out on this.
These are for the most part people without a conscience or any ability to empathize with others - the two truest indicators of psychopathy.
To sum up: WTF do we keep sending these dangerous individuals to public office??
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in a simpler (more primative?) society, people who endangered the group
Posted by: Suzon on Aug 15, 2009 1:43 AM
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were quietly disposed of.
The problem, though, isn't that there are psychopaths on the loose, but that they have long been able to influence legislation in their favor through corporate campaign donations.
Reform and regulation to prevent undue influence is the answer.
The problem, though, isn't that there are psychopaths on the loose, but that they have long been able to influence legislation in their favor through corporate campaign donations.
Reform and regulation to prevent undue influence is the answer.
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Right-wing think tanks as intellectual psychopathology
Posted by: Perry Logan on Aug 15, 2009 3:11 AM
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Right-wing think tanks are a case in point.
A right-wing think tank is more than just a really shallow tank. It is a group of people who are paid to make conservative policies look good. In other words, it is an exercise in intellectual psychopathology.
Because conservative policies tend not to work, the Right simply hire people to cook the stats, to write scientific-sounding tripe proving that bogus ideas are in fact good ideas and that failed policies were successful.
Let us pause for a moment of sheer amazement. Truly, these people are piece of work...
If you found out that your public-policy ideas had failed catastrophically everytime they were tried, would you 1) find out what was wrong with your ideas and change them, or 2) hire someone to lie to you?
That's one difference between you and a conservative.
A right-wing think tank produces stuff that looks like scholarship--except that the results are known beforehand. Also, not a word of this sh*t would ever pass peer review at a scholarly journal. It's just wingers projecting their reality--a donnish version of the townhall brouhahas.
People on the Right are not like you and me. They decide what they want to say...then hire people to cook up the desired results, i.e., "We need an article proving that welfare is expensive. Here's a million bucks," or "Wake up, guys. We need an article PRONTO proving everyone hates Social Security."
What kind of drugs do the think-tank people take to live with the fact that they are purveyers of intellectual garbage--or are they psychopaths, too?
There are a zillion think tanks, along with right-wing "news" outlets to help spread the gospel around. Keeping whackadoodle ideas alive requires constant life support. One think tank does nothing but grind out stats proving that guns are as nurturing as mother's milk. In fact, if we just had a few more guns, we'd all live forever.
A pathological belief system requires a pathological degree of support--and the Right have gotten what they paid for. A review of everything every right-wing think tank in the world ever wrote reveals that the Right has always been right about everything...and the left has always been wrong.
Ain't science great?
Bait & Switch
A right-wing think tank is more than just a really shallow tank. It is a group of people who are paid to make conservative policies look good. In other words, it is an exercise in intellectual psychopathology.
Because conservative policies tend not to work, the Right simply hire people to cook the stats, to write scientific-sounding tripe proving that bogus ideas are in fact good ideas and that failed policies were successful.
Let us pause for a moment of sheer amazement. Truly, these people are piece of work...
If you found out that your public-policy ideas had failed catastrophically everytime they were tried, would you 1) find out what was wrong with your ideas and change them, or 2) hire someone to lie to you?
That's one difference between you and a conservative.
A right-wing think tank produces stuff that looks like scholarship--except that the results are known beforehand. Also, not a word of this sh*t would ever pass peer review at a scholarly journal. It's just wingers projecting their reality--a donnish version of the townhall brouhahas.
People on the Right are not like you and me. They decide what they want to say...then hire people to cook up the desired results, i.e., "We need an article proving that welfare is expensive. Here's a million bucks," or "Wake up, guys. We need an article PRONTO proving everyone hates Social Security."
What kind of drugs do the think-tank people take to live with the fact that they are purveyers of intellectual garbage--or are they psychopaths, too?
There are a zillion think tanks, along with right-wing "news" outlets to help spread the gospel around. Keeping whackadoodle ideas alive requires constant life support. One think tank does nothing but grind out stats proving that guns are as nurturing as mother's milk. In fact, if we just had a few more guns, we'd all live forever.
A pathological belief system requires a pathological degree of support--and the Right have gotten what they paid for. A review of everything every right-wing think tank in the world ever wrote reveals that the Right has always been right about everything...and the left has always been wrong.
Ain't science great?
Bait & Switch
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» Right-wing think tanks...an exercise in Sophistry/Sophism
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The NEGATIVE Economic Pyramid
Posted by: CTC123 on Aug 15, 2009 4:27 AM
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Posted by: CTC123 on Aug 15, 2009 4:27 AM
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Connsider the Connection to:
"Astrofurfing" on the NEGATIVE Side of the
Economic Pyramid
At the top of the (N) Economic Pyramid
Corporation X_______(fill in the blank)
The consumers health & invironment(clean,air,& water) is not their concern. Their concern is the bottom line.$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Where is the Economic Pyramid?
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CTC123GREEN
Great article, Byard Duncan
"Astrofurfing" on the NEGATIVE Side of the
Economic Pyramid
At the top of the (N) Economic Pyramid
Corporation X_______(fill in the blank)
The consumers health & invironment(clean,air,& water) is not their concern. Their concern is the bottom line.$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Where is the Economic Pyramid?
Search 4 me:
CTC123GREEN
Great article, Byard Duncan
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Sociopaths
Posted by: Purple Girl on Aug 15, 2009 4:40 AM
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Aug 15, 2009 4:40 AM
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Lack social conscience because they feel no Empathy towards otheres- the cornerstone to a Civilized society, and behavior.
The Repugs are not just he Party of "No",But "So".
Repugs have committed Generational Theft, and sacrific, for their own benefit for the last few decades.
More appropriate would be to call them paranoid,schizophrenic sociopaths with delusions of Granduer and propensity towards violence.
The Repugs are not just he Party of "No",But "So".
Repugs have committed Generational Theft, and sacrific, for their own benefit for the last few decades.
More appropriate would be to call them paranoid,schizophrenic sociopaths with delusions of Granduer and propensity towards violence.
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personality disorders...
Posted by: ellie on Aug 15, 2009 6:03 AM
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Posted by: ellie on Aug 15, 2009 6:03 AM
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such as sociopathology are personality disorders and are untreatable... you never know if what seems like a breakthrough is actually part of the act to manipulate for gain...
see the DSM IV...
the only thing you can do is leave them alone and protect others from them... they will never change... sound familiar???
back to coffee...
see the DSM IV...
the only thing you can do is leave them alone and protect others from them... they will never change... sound familiar???
back to coffee...
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» RE: personality disorders...
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Did you know that Obama may have been involved in planting bombs in the WTC on 9/11?
Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Aug 15, 2009 6:43 AM
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Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Aug 15, 2009 6:43 AM
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Not as an actual operator, but more as a kind of behind-the-scenes facilitator of the event. Why would he do this? Here he is on MSNBC with Keith Olbermann: Obama says "9/11 fever has broken"
"OBAMA: Well, first of all, I think it’s important for us to directly engage the issue of national security. You know, after 9/11, it was understandable that everybody rallied around the president. And I think that Democrats were hesitant to challenge the president on his national security agenda."
Obama is obviously a secret Nazi and he needs his own "Reichstag fire" in order to secure the kind of popularity that Hitler, I mean Bush, enjoyed. Didn't you see Obama and Bush shaking hands at the inauguration? Put it together, and the Truth becomes clear:
Obama and Bush are secretly plotting another 9/11! There's no other conclusion that fits the facts - it'll probably be a big nuclear bomb this time - who knows where - or maybe another biowarfare agent release. Regardless of what it is, it'll be enough to terrify you into abject submission to Obama and Bush's plans for World Government... or was it Imperial Domination?
Don't close your eyes, people - it's time for the Truthers to join hands with the Birthers and take back America!
"OBAMA: Well, first of all, I think it’s important for us to directly engage the issue of national security. You know, after 9/11, it was understandable that everybody rallied around the president. And I think that Democrats were hesitant to challenge the president on his national security agenda."
Obama is obviously a secret Nazi and he needs his own "Reichstag fire" in order to secure the kind of popularity that Hitler, I mean Bush, enjoyed. Didn't you see Obama and Bush shaking hands at the inauguration? Put it together, and the Truth becomes clear:
Obama and Bush are secretly plotting another 9/11! There's no other conclusion that fits the facts - it'll probably be a big nuclear bomb this time - who knows where - or maybe another biowarfare agent release. Regardless of what it is, it'll be enough to terrify you into abject submission to Obama and Bush's plans for World Government... or was it Imperial Domination?
Don't close your eyes, people - it's time for the Truthers to join hands with the Birthers and take back America!
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» RE: Did you know that Obama may have been involved in planting bombs in the WTC on 9/11?
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» ROFLMAO!
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Maybe not just name calling
Posted by: bentes on Aug 15, 2009 7:17 AM
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I am no psychologist but reading the check list for diagnosis of psychopathy and although I understand the need to find an easy way to label and frame political opponents negatively, some two qualifying criteria appear scary to me: parasitic behavior and manipulation. And when I see what's going on in the Town Hall meetings, in the religious right crowds, in a substantial portion of the American people since the last 30 years, where people vote, think, against their own interest, I think there must be something there, no? Otherwise, if there are no psychopathy at the root of these problems, I, again as a none qualified practitioner and a very neurotic (I admit) person, will insist on a social diagnostic of serious social dysfunction or at least weird delusional mass hysteria. These at least are very politically correct as they diffuse responsibility. But wait! isn't deflecting responsibility another criteria... OMG!!!
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While everyone is diagnosing everyone else...
Posted by: KDelphi5950 on Aug 15, 2009 7:27 AM
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perhaps you should get licensed first, like I was.
First of all, while the difinition (the uS uses sociopathy now, anyway), might fit the leaders, the main audience is just terrified and ill-informed.
The Dems cater to them with their NRA, put out a bill that only a moderate-conservative could love, allowed peace protesters to be put in "free speech zones" at their own Dem Convention (true it was worse at gOP--so??), the so-called liberal MSM, spends most of its time on Sarah Palin, and the, you are surprised?
Dems brought it on themselves.
Give the true Left something worth supporting---we'll get rid of these guys, but not for your turkey of a bill. And i'm not gettin' my ass shot for the insurance industry, either.
First of all, while the difinition (the uS uses sociopathy now, anyway), might fit the leaders, the main audience is just terrified and ill-informed.
The Dems cater to them with their NRA, put out a bill that only a moderate-conservative could love, allowed peace protesters to be put in "free speech zones" at their own Dem Convention (true it was worse at gOP--so??), the so-called liberal MSM, spends most of its time on Sarah Palin, and the, you are surprised?
Dems brought it on themselves.
Give the true Left something worth supporting---we'll get rid of these guys, but not for your turkey of a bill. And i'm not gettin' my ass shot for the insurance industry, either.
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» Like the GOP, most Dems are corporate puppets.
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» RE: Dems brought it on themselves.
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Sad and Disturbing BUT
Posted by: Gravitas on Aug 15, 2009 8:07 AM
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are right wing groups the ONLY ones astroturfing? With some "progressive" sites (we won't mention names cough cough) dismissal of everyone questioning the official version of 911 as lunatics, I can't believe many organizations don't have hidden agendas. Maybe CIA and corporate agents have infiltrated progressive movements. I also believe the increased attention back to obesity and junk food is to pave the way for a junk food tax as one means to bail us out from the banking fiasco. But they are never going to say the same greedy rich slops need our every last dime. So they couch the new tax in social causes and the left is either a witting or unwitting dupe.
My experience is that when someone is pointing the finger at someone else, it is usually to deflect attention away from themselves. What is it Anais Ninn said? "Why don't see others as they are, we see them as we are!"
My experience is that when someone is pointing the finger at someone else, it is usually to deflect attention away from themselves. What is it Anais Ninn said? "Why don't see others as they are, we see them as we are!"
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Don't you guys know what a strategic deception operation is?
Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Aug 15, 2009 9:07 AM
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They date back to the early 20th century, when Russian Bolsheviks set up front groups that claimed to be centers of "White Russian Resistance" - which allowed the Bolsheviks to keep tabs on the opposition's plans.
The same tactics were used to disrupt the anti-war movements in the 1960s, with bogus front groups being run by the CIA (Operation Chaos, 1963-1969) and then by the FBI (Operation COINTELPRO, 1967-present). These were joint operations - for example, see this 1964 FBI memo:
ReBulet 4/3/64, FBI Director
"Relet enclosed copies of a mimeographed anonymous letter prepared by the Laboratory for use by the New York Office in a disruption tactic against the SWP [Socialist Worker's Party]. The New York Office had suggested this letter to bring discredit upon the Party in the Negro Civil Rights Field... it was written in a manner designed to direct suspicion as to its source upon the WWP, a rival in the Monroe defense movement."
In the late 1960s, the FBI was directly operating about a dozen 'underground newspapers' and had hundreds of informants and agents inside all manner of antiwar and civil rights groups.
When busted in the 1970s, they did not really stop, but instead tried to move the program to the private sector - private firms would now operate most such programs, and would be paid by large private foundations, financed by corporations and individuals with close ties to the military-industrial complex.
This is how the right-wing and left-wing non-profit media institutions get their funding.
The most obvious suspects are those who refuse to allow any public commentary on their sites, and which sprang into prominence AFTER the infamous WTO protests in Seattle - namely, Democracy Now! and Counterpunch. Amy Goodman came out of the CIA-linked Radcliffe Institute for Behavioral Studies at Harvard, for example - yes, this is shocking to the true believers, just as shocking as discovering that Rush Limbaugh is really a corporate tool, not a right-wing conservative advocate.
Want to piss off some liberal idiots? Tell them that their idol, Amy Goodman, is really a corporateCIA plant. Want to piss off some conservative idiots? Tell them that there idol, Rush Limbaugh, serves the same role.
It's just like during the slave era - the corporate left and the corporate right are in bed with one another, and the ordinary American citizen is the one who pays the price, while the billionaires get wealthier and wealthier.
The main foundation involved from the get-go was the Ford Foundation, by the way - but there are plenty of others.
This is why you don't see these 'non-profit liberal sites' doing anything to bring up the issues that led to the WTO protests in Seattle - all they do is spin those issues down. Amy Goodman's coverage of the Peru goverment's assault on the native Peruvians is typical - she claimed it was over, but full-scale oil development is still in progress there:
Peru to proceed with oil and gas auctions in the Amazon despite indigenous protests, mongabay.com August 07, 2009
Or, just review the Amy Goodman "Recreate 68" campaign, which was aimed at discrediting Democrats and handing the election to Republicans - which she can be counted on to do again. Why do you think she promotes Nader every chance she gets?
The same tactics were used to disrupt the anti-war movements in the 1960s, with bogus front groups being run by the CIA (Operation Chaos, 1963-1969) and then by the FBI (Operation COINTELPRO, 1967-present). These were joint operations - for example, see this 1964 FBI memo:
ReBulet 4/3/64, FBI Director
"Relet enclosed copies of a mimeographed anonymous letter prepared by the Laboratory for use by the New York Office in a disruption tactic against the SWP [Socialist Worker's Party]. The New York Office had suggested this letter to bring discredit upon the Party in the Negro Civil Rights Field... it was written in a manner designed to direct suspicion as to its source upon the WWP, a rival in the Monroe defense movement."
In the late 1960s, the FBI was directly operating about a dozen 'underground newspapers' and had hundreds of informants and agents inside all manner of antiwar and civil rights groups.
When busted in the 1970s, they did not really stop, but instead tried to move the program to the private sector - private firms would now operate most such programs, and would be paid by large private foundations, financed by corporations and individuals with close ties to the military-industrial complex.
This is how the right-wing and left-wing non-profit media institutions get their funding.
The most obvious suspects are those who refuse to allow any public commentary on their sites, and which sprang into prominence AFTER the infamous WTO protests in Seattle - namely, Democracy Now! and Counterpunch. Amy Goodman came out of the CIA-linked Radcliffe Institute for Behavioral Studies at Harvard, for example - yes, this is shocking to the true believers, just as shocking as discovering that Rush Limbaugh is really a corporate tool, not a right-wing conservative advocate.
Want to piss off some liberal idiots? Tell them that their idol, Amy Goodman, is really a corporateCIA plant. Want to piss off some conservative idiots? Tell them that there idol, Rush Limbaugh, serves the same role.
It's just like during the slave era - the corporate left and the corporate right are in bed with one another, and the ordinary American citizen is the one who pays the price, while the billionaires get wealthier and wealthier.
The main foundation involved from the get-go was the Ford Foundation, by the way - but there are plenty of others.
This is why you don't see these 'non-profit liberal sites' doing anything to bring up the issues that led to the WTO protests in Seattle - all they do is spin those issues down. Amy Goodman's coverage of the Peru goverment's assault on the native Peruvians is typical - she claimed it was over, but full-scale oil development is still in progress there:
Peru to proceed with oil and gas auctions in the Amazon despite indigenous protests, mongabay.com August 07, 2009
Or, just review the Amy Goodman "Recreate 68" campaign, which was aimed at discrediting Democrats and handing the election to Republicans - which she can be counted on to do again. Why do you think she promotes Nader every chance she gets?
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The astroturfers
Posted by: darter22 on Aug 15, 2009 9:14 AM
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better hope that their health insurance company doesn't consider "batshit crazy" to be a pre-existing condition. If they even have health insurance.
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Right wing articles
Posted by: James2 on Aug 15, 2009 9:43 AM
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I have enjoyed reading from this site but it seems the articles are becoming more about "right-wingers" instead of the issues. Extremisim is a danger to society no matter if it is left or right. I could argue that "left-wingers" are more dangerouse because not only are they capable of harm but they are more educated the "right-wingers". You can write about whatever you want to and I can either read them or not. But as a reader I don't understand what is trying to be accomplished. They sure don't seem progressive.
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» There's no real left wing here. It's just a fake "left".
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» Certainly plenty of Republicans in 3rdie clothing here.
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ORGANIZED SOCIOPATHIC POLITICAL SOPHIST PROPAGNDISTS MUST BE CRIMINALIZED
Posted by: nobyjingo on Aug 15, 2009 10:03 AM
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I have found all of the tactics and procedures that the Right-Wing CONSERVATIVE EXTREMIST REPUBLICANS are using in their “organized sociopathic political sophist propaganda” in “Mein Kampf” by Adolph Hitler.
We all know what the result of “organized sociopathic political sophist propaganda” was on Germany, Italy, Europe, America and the rest of the world; if we do not want the SAME result in the 21st Century, it is necessary to make this type of “organized sociopathic political sophist propaganda” that is harmful to the National Security a treasonable offense.
“Organized Sociopathic Political Sophist Propaganda” Must Be Defined in Legislation As A High Crime. Political destruction of the communal wealth of the nation for minority interests of greed by allowing “organized sociopathic political sophist propagandists” to masquerade as legitimate political movements is the dilemma of both the Republican Party and to a lesser degree the Democratic Party that presently exists in the United States.
“Organized Sociopathic Political Sophist Propaganda” must be defined by law as a high crime, a felony, that is punishable by death or life imprisonment, death for greater offenses and life imprisonment for lesser offenses; "organized sociopathic political sophist propaganda" that resulted in the collapse of the economy, as is the current case in the United States has ramifications that are a threat to the National Security, and to the greater majority of the people of the nation that are much greater than the death of a single person, and must be punished more severely than just for the death of a single individual.
The RIGHT-WING CONSERVATIVE EXTREMIST REPUBLICAN MOVEMENT is a movement of "organized sociopathic political sophist propagandists", the results of the "organized sociopathic political sophist propaganda" of this movement, and the people involved as sophists in the RIGHT-WING CONSERVATIVE EXTREMIST REPUBLICAN MOVEMENT from the time of Goldwater through Reagan, Bush I and Bush II are all known, and the results of their "organized sociopathic political sophist propaganda" is known, can be collected as proof of intent and used to try, execute and imprison the responsible "organized sociopathic political sophist propagandists" as an example to political sophists in the future; we as a nation must have the resolve to make this happen.
We all know what the result of “organized sociopathic political sophist propaganda” was on Germany, Italy, Europe, America and the rest of the world; if we do not want the SAME result in the 21st Century, it is necessary to make this type of “organized sociopathic political sophist propaganda” that is harmful to the National Security a treasonable offense.
“Organized Sociopathic Political Sophist Propaganda” Must Be Defined in Legislation As A High Crime. Political destruction of the communal wealth of the nation for minority interests of greed by allowing “organized sociopathic political sophist propagandists” to masquerade as legitimate political movements is the dilemma of both the Republican Party and to a lesser degree the Democratic Party that presently exists in the United States.
“Organized Sociopathic Political Sophist Propaganda” must be defined by law as a high crime, a felony, that is punishable by death or life imprisonment, death for greater offenses and life imprisonment for lesser offenses; "organized sociopathic political sophist propaganda" that resulted in the collapse of the economy, as is the current case in the United States has ramifications that are a threat to the National Security, and to the greater majority of the people of the nation that are much greater than the death of a single person, and must be punished more severely than just for the death of a single individual.
The RIGHT-WING CONSERVATIVE EXTREMIST REPUBLICAN MOVEMENT is a movement of "organized sociopathic political sophist propagandists", the results of the "organized sociopathic political sophist propaganda" of this movement, and the people involved as sophists in the RIGHT-WING CONSERVATIVE EXTREMIST REPUBLICAN MOVEMENT from the time of Goldwater through Reagan, Bush I and Bush II are all known, and the results of their "organized sociopathic political sophist propaganda" is known, can be collected as proof of intent and used to try, execute and imprison the responsible "organized sociopathic political sophist propagandists" as an example to political sophists in the future; we as a nation must have the resolve to make this happen.
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Alternet sounding psychopathic
Posted by: tmgibs on Aug 15, 2009 10:25 AM
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I signed up for this newsletter because my politics are pretty far outside the mainstream leaning pretty far left. I have to say though that many of the articles, like this one, show a complete lack of awareness about how other people will view this organization. Although I am inclined to support most of the issues that Alternet brings up, this lack of awareness and the blunt object approach to many issues makes Alternet seem increasingly incredible and uncreditable as either a news organization or even someplace where I would go to hear some well thought out opinions.
This is an organization that appears to be more driven by uninformed ideology, the kind that led to decades of terror in the Soviet Union, and I see no difference between right wing extremists and un-news like the Fox network and Alternet these days.
There is a lot of angst over the current health care debate, most of it not understood by Alternet fellow travelers that want to completely overthrow the current economic system. I am convinced that this should be done, but I want to see measured steps that start with reforming the health care system, not another insurance hokey pokey like we have been getting at the state level for the last 20 years. Insurance reform and adding another insurer to the mix won't do anything except make our economic recovery harder if we don't reform the health care system first. Insurance is a secondary issue and a symptom of a larger problem, not the problem.
This is an organization that appears to be more driven by uninformed ideology, the kind that led to decades of terror in the Soviet Union, and I see no difference between right wing extremists and un-news like the Fox network and Alternet these days.
There is a lot of angst over the current health care debate, most of it not understood by Alternet fellow travelers that want to completely overthrow the current economic system. I am convinced that this should be done, but I want to see measured steps that start with reforming the health care system, not another insurance hokey pokey like we have been getting at the state level for the last 20 years. Insurance reform and adding another insurer to the mix won't do anything except make our economic recovery harder if we don't reform the health care system first. Insurance is a secondary issue and a symptom of a larger problem, not the problem.
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» RE: Alternet sounding psychopathic
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» tmgibs supports single payer and now Quannah flip-flops
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» RE: tmgibs supports single payer and now Quannah flip-flops
Posted by: pelican beak
» RE: tmgibs supports single payer and now Quannah flip-flops
Posted by: maxpayne
» You're a self-canceller, max.
Posted by: pelican beak
» RE: You're a self-canceller, pelican fuck. REST IN PIECES !
Posted by: maxpayne
» You're a self-canceller, max.
Posted by: pelican beak
» RE: You're a self-canceller, pelican fuck. REST IN PIECES !
Posted by: maxpayne
» Now you're talking gibberish, max.
Posted by: pelican beak
» Say whatever gibberish you want, pelican fuck. REST IN PIECES !
Posted by: maxpayne
» And one more thing pelican fuck. GOD IS CONTINUING TO PUNISH AMERICA LIKE A BATTERING RAM !!
Posted by: maxpayne
» I rest my case.
Posted by: maxpayne
» Gibberish, max, gibberish. That's all you can write.
Posted by: pelican beak
» Keep talking. GOD IS PUNISHING YOU.
Posted by: maxpayne
» What's with that "GOD IS PUNISHING YOU" crap, max?
Posted by: pelican beak
» maxpayne, Mr. Pelican Beak has been a very naughty atheist and God is PUNISHING HIM ! LOL !
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» RE: tmgibs supports single payer and now Quannah flip-flops
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» RE: tmgibs supports single payer and now Quannah flip-flops
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» Geez, are you doing PR work for United Health Group and Aetna or what?
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» No, tmgibs doesn't.
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» ROFLMAO AGAIN! "ALTERNET FELLOW TRAVELERS! OMG! OMG! OMG! N/T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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» RE: Alternet sounding psychopathic
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» RE: Alternet sounding psychopathic: HANG in there tmgibs!!
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Ever see the movie, The Corporation?
Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Aug 15, 2009 11:33 AM
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Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Aug 15, 2009 11:33 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hG-c1KY7Y4
"...it's all just a big elaborate ruse to gain information..."
"I don't feel any guilt. It's, you know what, you have to expect that guys like me are out there. We're predators."
"It's about competition. It's about market share. It's about being agreessive. It's about shareholder value. What is your stock at today?"
"If you're a CEO, I mean, do you think your shareholders really care if you're Billy Buttercup or not? Do you think they would prefer you to be a nice guy, over having money in their pocket? I don't think so. I think people want money. That's the bottom line"
Right? And if they think they can increase their bottom line by hiring ex-agents of the CIA and FBI to set up bogus new organizations, or PR firms to set up "grassroots organizations", then that is exactly what they will do - it's the history of PR going back to Bernays and Goebbels, the two fathers of the 20th century PR machine, which is what? a $6 billion.year industry in the U.S., all financed by the upper echelons of the corporatocracy, either directly as shareholders in media corporations, or indirectly as the principal donors to large private foundations that sponsor 'non-profits.'
So, why do they do this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoQOXepaCjk
"THE CORPORATION [9/23] Trading on 9/11"
"We were really excited... there wasn't a broker that I know of that wasn't excited about that... In devastation there is opportunity."
All the progressive left-wing outlets do is act to cover up just how rotten the overall situation is, and just how corrupt and idiotic the entire system has become - take the $700 billion bailout to banks - do you see the non-profit press investigating that? No. Do you see the corporate press investigating that? No.
You might find some independent blogs here and there - but why not pressure your local newspaper editor to put a reporter on that story? If he or she refuses, you'll at least know what the deal is.
What is really needed is the application of antitrust law to the media conglomerates as well as new transparency rules for non-profits and private foundations that allow the money to be traced back to its source.
"...it's all just a big elaborate ruse to gain information..."
"I don't feel any guilt. It's, you know what, you have to expect that guys like me are out there. We're predators."
"It's about competition. It's about market share. It's about being agreessive. It's about shareholder value. What is your stock at today?"
"If you're a CEO, I mean, do you think your shareholders really care if you're Billy Buttercup or not? Do you think they would prefer you to be a nice guy, over having money in their pocket? I don't think so. I think people want money. That's the bottom line"
Right? And if they think they can increase their bottom line by hiring ex-agents of the CIA and FBI to set up bogus new organizations, or PR firms to set up "grassroots organizations", then that is exactly what they will do - it's the history of PR going back to Bernays and Goebbels, the two fathers of the 20th century PR machine, which is what? a $6 billion.year industry in the U.S., all financed by the upper echelons of the corporatocracy, either directly as shareholders in media corporations, or indirectly as the principal donors to large private foundations that sponsor 'non-profits.'
So, why do they do this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoQOXepaCjk
"THE CORPORATION [9/23] Trading on 9/11"
"We were really excited... there wasn't a broker that I know of that wasn't excited about that... In devastation there is opportunity."
All the progressive left-wing outlets do is act to cover up just how rotten the overall situation is, and just how corrupt and idiotic the entire system has become - take the $700 billion bailout to banks - do you see the non-profit press investigating that? No. Do you see the corporate press investigating that? No.
You might find some independent blogs here and there - but why not pressure your local newspaper editor to put a reporter on that story? If he or she refuses, you'll at least know what the deal is.
What is really needed is the application of antitrust law to the media conglomerates as well as new transparency rules for non-profits and private foundations that allow the money to be traced back to its source.
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These Right-Wingers won't quit
Posted by: talkville on Aug 15, 2009 11:39 AM
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Posted by: talkville on Aug 15, 2009 11:39 AM
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until they get single prayer health care.
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» RE: These Right-Wingers won't quit: SAY what???
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» RE: These Right-Wingers won't quit: SAY what???
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» ROFL
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Here We Go Again
Posted by: jooljetkmae on Aug 15, 2009 11:51 AM
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Posted by: jooljetkmae on Aug 15, 2009 11:51 AM
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If you can't come up with an argument against your political opponents, then smear them as "fascist" and "psychopathic". This is about the dozenth recent article on Alternet denouncing right organizing as "fascist", or in the case of this article as somehow crazy.
What do you expect the health insurance and pharmaceutical industries to do? Not organize to defend their gravy train with propaganda? Corporate propaganda campaigns like the one we are seeing on the health care debate right now are as American as apple pie.
Face it, the reason why universal health care is going down to defeat is because the liberal's hero Obama has helped kill it by refusing to support single payer, and making back room deals with the health insurance and the pharmaceutical industries.
What do you expect the health insurance and pharmaceutical industries to do? Not organize to defend their gravy train with propaganda? Corporate propaganda campaigns like the one we are seeing on the health care debate right now are as American as apple pie.
Face it, the reason why universal health care is going down to defeat is because the liberal's hero Obama has helped kill it by refusing to support single payer, and making back room deals with the health insurance and the pharmaceutical industries.
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» BINGO ! You hit the nail on the head with the social issue distractions.
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» You're Probably Right...
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» RE: You're Probably Right...
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» How DARE you cop that bogus attitude, jennifer...
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» Oh poor little pelican boy.
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» I rest my case.
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» I haven't begun to rest my case.
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» I'm gonna have to side with JB on this one. PB and Beck don't get it.
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» Great! One of jennifer's "False Solomons" has stepped forward
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» And so pelican beak shows his intolerance of dissent like this.
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» Pelican Beak and Beck are always like that. They're not to be taken seriously.
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» Thank you Lex for that information. I shall keep that in mind.
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» RE: Thank you Lex for that information. I shall keep that in mind.
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» Lex and LMI, Mr. Pelican Beak has been a VERY VERY NAUGHTY ATHEIST and God is punishing him ! LOL !
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» RE: Lex and LMI, Mr. Pelican Beak has been a VERY VERY NAUGHTY ATHEIST and God is punishing him ! LO
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» A question for jennifer - why are you palling around with radical right wingers?
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» RE: Here We Go Again. Obama is for
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sloppy and facile
Posted by: hilaryuk on Aug 15, 2009 12:00 PM
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While I can appreciate the underlying message of this piece, I am alienated by the extended metaphor/framework of abuse used - to spice up the thesis? to sound exciting? True psychopaths are relatively uncommon, a proportion are not particularly violent and there is some doubt about the validity of the term anyway, particularly when applied too liberally. I think the condition is untreatable in any real sense, but it probably is a form of mental illness (although I sometimes wonder whether sometimes we should just use the word "evil"). Oh, and the writer has been reading too much fiction if he really believes that most psychopaths are charming etc.
The activities referred to are not comparable with those of a psychopath, but rather more evocative of a sociopath. While not holding any particular brief for those of a psychopathic tendency, I am irritated by yet another lazy use of mental health labels as a term of abuse. 'Schizophrenic' and 'psychotic' are terms particularly beloved of headline writers, but both these adjectives cover a wide spectrum of disorders. Sometimes the illnesses themselves ruin lives, but just as often it is the ignorance of wider society that does the long term damage. Headlines such as the one above are an insidious part of the problem - which is a pity if the writer views himself as a progressive.
The activities referred to are not comparable with those of a psychopath, but rather more evocative of a sociopath. While not holding any particular brief for those of a psychopathic tendency, I am irritated by yet another lazy use of mental health labels as a term of abuse. 'Schizophrenic' and 'psychotic' are terms particularly beloved of headline writers, but both these adjectives cover a wide spectrum of disorders. Sometimes the illnesses themselves ruin lives, but just as often it is the ignorance of wider society that does the long term damage. Headlines such as the one above are an insidious part of the problem - which is a pity if the writer views himself as a progressive.
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This is why I believe,
Posted by: weslen1 on Aug 15, 2009 12:20 PM
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Anyone running for public office at any level of government should have to be psychologically tested and pass the test before being eligible to RUN.
I believe the recent RANTS from the RIGHT against empathy and the RANTS from the RIGHT and the Right leaning Dems against any help for less fortunate individuals, are proof this needs to be done. When the Right "prays" out loud, on national television, for SOMEONE, ANYONE, Bin Laden if possible, to detonate a WMD in the U.S. to "save the party", or states she wants to eliminate free school lunch programs because, "HUNGER IS GOOD FOR CHILDREN", meaning POOR children, because "HUNGER WILL MOTIVATE children to be better people than their "parents", Or when they rant against "government interference in health care" at the very same time they want to "interfere" and dictate what CARE a WOMAN can and cannot have, and more, they NEED treatment for their mental illnesses.
I do think the worst I've heard, though was an interview that Bill Moyers had with a pair of "Christians" the other day. I don't remember the names, but one was a Reverend, and the other was a Bishop. The rev. ranted about no government interference before he went into his rant against abortion and birth control. The Bishop was worse. Here's why. The Bishop is against any kind of health care for ALL and here's why. Not too long ago, he was diagnosed with cancer. He has great insurance, so he was treated right away, had his surgery and is now cancer free. BUT, and here's the disgusting part, he says IF everyone had health care HE might have had to wait behind someone else for HIS surgery and HE wouldn't be here today. He actually SAID he should not have to wait behind someone ELSE who is WORTH LESS "materially" than he is.
So, I really believe all potential office holders AND so-called "religious" leaders should be tested for psychosis BEFORE being allowed to RUN for office. These people are THERE to work for the good of the people NOT for their personal GAIN.
One other thing. When O'Connell interviewed the woman from the "town hall" who asked Grassley what he was going to do to "return this country back to what the founding fathers meant it to be", I wish he would have asked her, #1 "Is she referring to the part of the Constitution that denied citizenship to Black People because they were "property" and not "people", therefore not citizens, and rated them as 3/5th of a person for TAX purposes, and would she return them to slavery so that a black man cannot be educated, own property or MOST HORRENDOUS, become PRESIDENT of the United States. I believe THIS is what is really behind the "birther" "movement" AND the extreme Right Wing Wacko hatred of anything Obama tries to do.
And #2, I wish he would have asked her what she believes the Founding Fathers MEANT when they wrote "promote the public welfare". Does she think it meant "promote the welfare only of the richest 1 percent of the public" but throw the "peons" under the bus? Does she REALIZE she would be among those peons? Would she go back to the debtors prisons and work houses for the POOR and orphanages for the children as one of the "RIGHT"s heroes "The Newt" that should have BEEN neutered, once touted, also on television?
There are some truly sickening people over there on the RIGHT.
I believe the recent RANTS from the RIGHT against empathy and the RANTS from the RIGHT and the Right leaning Dems against any help for less fortunate individuals, are proof this needs to be done. When the Right "prays" out loud, on national television, for SOMEONE, ANYONE, Bin Laden if possible, to detonate a WMD in the U.S. to "save the party", or states she wants to eliminate free school lunch programs because, "HUNGER IS GOOD FOR CHILDREN", meaning POOR children, because "HUNGER WILL MOTIVATE children to be better people than their "parents", Or when they rant against "government interference in health care" at the very same time they want to "interfere" and dictate what CARE a WOMAN can and cannot have, and more, they NEED treatment for their mental illnesses.
I do think the worst I've heard, though was an interview that Bill Moyers had with a pair of "Christians" the other day. I don't remember the names, but one was a Reverend, and the other was a Bishop. The rev. ranted about no government interference before he went into his rant against abortion and birth control. The Bishop was worse. Here's why. The Bishop is against any kind of health care for ALL and here's why. Not too long ago, he was diagnosed with cancer. He has great insurance, so he was treated right away, had his surgery and is now cancer free. BUT, and here's the disgusting part, he says IF everyone had health care HE might have had to wait behind someone else for HIS surgery and HE wouldn't be here today. He actually SAID he should not have to wait behind someone ELSE who is WORTH LESS "materially" than he is.
So, I really believe all potential office holders AND so-called "religious" leaders should be tested for psychosis BEFORE being allowed to RUN for office. These people are THERE to work for the good of the people NOT for their personal GAIN.
One other thing. When O'Connell interviewed the woman from the "town hall" who asked Grassley what he was going to do to "return this country back to what the founding fathers meant it to be", I wish he would have asked her, #1 "Is she referring to the part of the Constitution that denied citizenship to Black People because they were "property" and not "people", therefore not citizens, and rated them as 3/5th of a person for TAX purposes, and would she return them to slavery so that a black man cannot be educated, own property or MOST HORRENDOUS, become PRESIDENT of the United States. I believe THIS is what is really behind the "birther" "movement" AND the extreme Right Wing Wacko hatred of anything Obama tries to do.
And #2, I wish he would have asked her what she believes the Founding Fathers MEANT when they wrote "promote the public welfare". Does she think it meant "promote the welfare only of the richest 1 percent of the public" but throw the "peons" under the bus? Does she REALIZE she would be among those peons? Would she go back to the debtors prisons and work houses for the POOR and orphanages for the children as one of the "RIGHT"s heroes "The Newt" that should have BEEN neutered, once touted, also on television?
There are some truly sickening people over there on the RIGHT.
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My message.
Posted by: Augustus_818 on Aug 15, 2009 12:53 PM
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Posted by: Augustus_818 on Aug 15, 2009 12:53 PM
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You know, I'm getting really sick and tired of this bullshit propaganda that whoever questions or criticizes the government is a borderline-psycho who eat babies in their spare time. And no I'm not a republican, nor do I work for any health insurance industry ( fuck! I haven't health insurance for over 10 years now!).
The liberals who are crying "Psycho!" are taking the same exact position the republicans did just 2 fucking years back when they were saying all liberals are "terrorist sympathizers".
There is no difference between Alternet and Fox News. Zero. And let me remind you that while you're playing grade school name calling games, people are dying. When you start showing me you're willing to do something and stop bullshiting, I'll be right behind you. Until then, you're just another propaganda-spewing waste of space. I'm an Anarcho-Libertarian. And I ( and I alone) approved this message.:)
The liberals who are crying "Psycho!" are taking the same exact position the republicans did just 2 fucking years back when they were saying all liberals are "terrorist sympathizers".
There is no difference between Alternet and Fox News. Zero. And let me remind you that while you're playing grade school name calling games, people are dying. When you start showing me you're willing to do something and stop bullshiting, I'll be right behind you. Until then, you're just another propaganda-spewing waste of space. I'm an Anarcho-Libertarian. And I ( and I alone) approved this message.:)
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» RE: My message.
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» RE: My message. Believable?? You are
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» RE: My message. Believable?? You are
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» RE: My message. You are NOT alone!!
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» RE: My message. You are NOT alone!!
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» RE: My message. You are NOT alone!!
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» It's too easy to get mistaken as "Republican" on this site. Independent thinking needs to improve.
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I think it long past time we take a good hard look at our so-called "war on drugs"
Posted by: foreverhope on Aug 15, 2009 2:03 PM
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Posted by: foreverhope on Aug 15, 2009 2:03 PM
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What a waste! The $$$$$$, trillions of dollars when one combines the human misery of it. What a terrible terrible waste to our society.
I think it is imperative a discussion begin on re-evaluting nearly immediately what we are going to do about that.
God knows it is long past due.
I say let the non-violent three time drug offenders out and put the fascists.
I think it is imperative a discussion begin on re-evaluting nearly immediately what we are going to do about that.
God knows it is long past due.
I say let the non-violent three time drug offenders out and put the fascists.
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» Yep. Can't argue with that.
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» RE: I think it long past time we take a good hard look: at Ron Paul??
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» RE: OOOH! Hit a nerve?? I think it long past time we take a good hard look: at Ron Paul??
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» You didn't "hit a nerve". You belched a straw man argument.
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» RE: You didn't "hit a nerve". You belched a straw man argument.
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» Sit down and give your mind a rest.
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» RE: Sit down and give your mind a rest.
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» I asked you for examples, not fact-free psychotic rambling.
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» RE: Sit down and give your mind a rest.
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» RE: I think it long past time we take a good hard look: at Ron Paul??
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» RE: I think it long past time we take a good hard look: at Ron Paul??
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» Ron Paul is a conservative Republican and anyone who doubts that should google these words
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» "Abortion" does not dictate conservative Repub. What about the Blue Dog Demos who side against it?
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» Ron Paul's words. (can you even stay on topic?)
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» RE: on Paul's words. (can you even stay on topic?)
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The rightwing fundies are only a symptom of what's wrong with our system.
Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 15, 2009 4:43 PM
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Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 15, 2009 4:43 PM
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Until the Democratic Party has more bravehearts ala Kucinich and Gravel, the fundies are "free" to wag their fingers as they please. If Congress wants to play "puppets", then they're the ones who need to be replaced with ones who won't and are willing to be immune to all this rightwing bullshit. Don't treat the symptom. Treat the problem.
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Any Florida Lawyers Out There?
Posted by: ender on Aug 15, 2009 6:10 PM
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About ten years ago, a law was passed in Florida to protect senior citizens from predatory marketing (it was specifically aimed at Ed McMahon's "You may have won $1,000,000" sweepstakes).
Is there any way this piece of consumer protection can be used against the insurance industry, conservative radio, Fox "News" et al with regards to marketing blatantly false information to Florida's seniors regarding health care reform in order to bilk them out of money?
Is there any way this piece of consumer protection can be used against the insurance industry, conservative radio, Fox "News" et al with regards to marketing blatantly false information to Florida's seniors regarding health care reform in order to bilk them out of money?
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After reading SO DAMN MANY posts from these PaulObots & examining history I have a theory
Posted by: foreverhope on Aug 15, 2009 6:09 PM
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Posted by: foreverhope on Aug 15, 2009 6:09 PM
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I have a passion for many things in life! I pray and hope all of you do!
Politics (duh @ ;-D)!
World history, ravenous for anything Irish and to understand the relentless pain of my own people. I am an insatiably curious person when I get my teeth into something!
So today I took some time to look out the window and ponder a few things and I've developed a theory. I hope you can bear with me!
Understanding all too well the brutality of the Britsh Empire, ruthless brutality I don't hold anyone alive today responsible for except those that continue to practice semi-human techniques still used today in No. Ireland. We all know what the British Empire did, and that is one reason some left and came here to begin a new life. Of course, not to left unsaid, we know what happened in that coming to the Native Americans.
Now we have our sacred Constitution and our brilliant Founding Fathers, risking everything, establish this great Nation.
With this we are on our way. Ever more empowered, with evil Irish saliwags, no doubts there, and lots of real good folk, begin populating our Country.
We can fill in the blanks till now.
NOW! We have an ENORMOUS Country! Rabid Constitutionalists, waving bibles, guns, and our Constitution, wrapped in the our flag, wearing tee-shirts proudly displaying the blood of T. McVeigh and his many victims! Inciting riots! Carrying loaded arms arms and other weapons to our Town Hall meetings. Attempting to bully us, BULLY US!
They want Paul. They want him as prez. They won't stop till they get him. They would love Sick Dick as VP. It's Paul with anybody as VP believe you me. They would love love love to make Paul the Emperor/Dictator of our great ol' U.S. of A.
Then Sick Dick is there again. Doing what Sick Dick and his bloody demonistic pals with THE FAMILY want to do more than BLOODY ANYTHING!
Make sick dick our next napolean? our next czar?
There! Our sacred Constitution, bestowed upon us with the very blood of our Founding Fathers, is being used, USED, even RAPED is not too strong a word at the point, to interfere with our democratic process and over-throw our Gov't.
Their plan was thwarted when President Obama was elected. They are such morons they actually believed no one would elect a person with dark skin to the highest office in our Country.
Crazy crazy crazy now, enraged at being so badly wounded and thwarted, their evil grand dreams evaporating before their eyes, we see what we are seeing.
There is my theory.
Look out when Hopie starts thinking! @ :-D)
Politics (duh @ ;-D)!
World history, ravenous for anything Irish and to understand the relentless pain of my own people. I am an insatiably curious person when I get my teeth into something!
So today I took some time to look out the window and ponder a few things and I've developed a theory. I hope you can bear with me!
Understanding all too well the brutality of the Britsh Empire, ruthless brutality I don't hold anyone alive today responsible for except those that continue to practice semi-human techniques still used today in No. Ireland. We all know what the British Empire did, and that is one reason some left and came here to begin a new life. Of course, not to left unsaid, we know what happened in that coming to the Native Americans.
Now we have our sacred Constitution and our brilliant Founding Fathers, risking everything, establish this great Nation.
With this we are on our way. Ever more empowered, with evil Irish saliwags, no doubts there, and lots of real good folk, begin populating our Country.
We can fill in the blanks till now.
NOW! We have an ENORMOUS Country! Rabid Constitutionalists, waving bibles, guns, and our Constitution, wrapped in the our flag, wearing tee-shirts proudly displaying the blood of T. McVeigh and his many victims! Inciting riots! Carrying loaded arms arms and other weapons to our Town Hall meetings. Attempting to bully us, BULLY US!
They want Paul. They want him as prez. They won't stop till they get him. They would love Sick Dick as VP. It's Paul with anybody as VP believe you me. They would love love love to make Paul the Emperor/Dictator of our great ol' U.S. of A.
Then Sick Dick is there again. Doing what Sick Dick and his bloody demonistic pals with THE FAMILY want to do more than BLOODY ANYTHING!
Make sick dick our next napolean? our next czar?
There! Our sacred Constitution, bestowed upon us with the very blood of our Founding Fathers, is being used, USED, even RAPED is not too strong a word at the point, to interfere with our democratic process and over-throw our Gov't.
Their plan was thwarted when President Obama was elected. They are such morons they actually believed no one would elect a person with dark skin to the highest office in our Country.
Crazy crazy crazy now, enraged at being so badly wounded and thwarted, their evil grand dreams evaporating before their eyes, we see what we are seeing.
There is my theory.
Look out when Hopie starts thinking! @ :-D)
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» Paul's for saving the Constitution. Bush and Obama aren't. Plus HR1866.
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» RE: Paul's for saving the Constitution. Bush and Obama aren't. Plus HR1866.
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» RE: Paul's for saving the Constitution. Obama is not.
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» RE: Paul's for saving the Constitution. Obama is not.
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» RE: Paul's for saving the Constitution. Obama is not.
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» Remember Cheney's demeanor when he was wheeled out of office...
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» I'm just trying to connect the dots....
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» When I was on that bloody wretched FAKE NEOCON RACIST website!
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» RE: When I was on that bloody wretched FAKE NEOCON RACIST website!
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» RE: After reading SO DAMN MANY posts from these PaulObots & examining history I have a theory
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» Google "Ron Paul and abortion" and read his own words. He's a conservative Republican
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» If Ron Paul is a "conservative Republican" based on "abortion", then the Blue Dogs are
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The GOP Is America's Abusive Ex
Posted by: philosimphy on Aug 15, 2009 6:31 PM
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Posted by: philosimphy on Aug 15, 2009 6:31 PM
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Bitter, vengeful, spiteful, jealous, and prone to violence.
They had us for 8 years. And they lied to us, and spied on us, and chipped away at our freedoms bit by bit.
And finally, we had had enough. We broke up with the GOP, and they are pissed as hell about that. They’ll teach us a lesson, oh yes they will. You thought it was bad when they had you for their very own? HA!
They’d rather see us dead than happy and healthy with someone else.
If the GOP can’t have us, nobody can.
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They had us for 8 years. And they lied to us, and spied on us, and chipped away at our freedoms bit by bit.
And finally, we had had enough. We broke up with the GOP, and they are pissed as hell about that. They’ll teach us a lesson, oh yes they will. You thought it was bad when they had you for their very own? HA!
They’d rather see us dead than happy and healthy with someone else.
If the GOP can’t have us, nobody can.
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» RE: The GOP Is America's Abusive Ex: You forgot the other
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You can't reason with irrational people...
Posted by: zugzwang on Aug 15, 2009 6:32 PM
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Posted by: zugzwang on Aug 15, 2009 6:32 PM
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This is why Obama's stance of negotiating and finding common ground is so annoying. There is no middle ground between humane values and egocentric, conscienceless ruthlessness. These folks are not going to meet in the middle with some compassion and reason.
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» RE: You can't reason with irrational people...True enough. But we
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» RE: You can't reason with irrational people...True enough. But we
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You wanna see REAL astro turf? Look to ACORN & the SEIU!!
Posted by: SamFox on Aug 15, 2009 9:17 PM
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Posted by: SamFox on Aug 15, 2009 9:17 PM
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They are those who do what you accuse us of doing. When we do it it's astro turf. When they do it it's grassroots? Kinda backwards if ya think about it.
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,539702,00.html
At one town hall an SEIU dude punched a black man.
http://tinyurl.com/lo6zdr
Can we do that too? NOPE!! Nor should we.
I don't like the yelling that has been done by some of those who protest BO's take overs. I would guess that these folks are fed up with not being represented by their elected officials.
Remember, the frustration we feel with the fed gov did not start with Mr O. It's been brewing a long time. Few of us were happy with GW. We did NOT like GW's power grab with the 'Patriot' Act & a host of other things. Also with Clinton who gave us NAFTA. Also the raids on the SS trust fund that was started by Dems & then the D's joined up. Then there was the blow hard Newt & the BS Contract With America. IMO the reason this has reached a head is because Mr O has kept the Bush thing going, only on hyper drive. So far Mr O has brought no real change. He has not rescinded the 'Patriot' Act or lowered spending or even proposed shrinking the fed gov. Instead we are now hearing calls to increase the US debt ceiling. Boy can we afford to do that! NOT!!
Let me get this straight. Those who oppose BO are astro turf, but the bused in ACORN & SEIU peeps are grass roots? Well, if you say so...but I ain't buying!
Is this an example of grass roots?
http://tinyurl.com/mxcnlf
Boy! Would I love to get paid $15 an hr to do what I now do for free!! But, alas, the RNC won't answer my EMs. Oh well....In fact, they have yet to send me any of kind of job offers. I can only hope!! :-) They have not even asked me to show up any where!!
SamFox
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,539702,00.html
At one town hall an SEIU dude punched a black man.
http://tinyurl.com/lo6zdr
Can we do that too? NOPE!! Nor should we.
I don't like the yelling that has been done by some of those who protest BO's take overs. I would guess that these folks are fed up with not being represented by their elected officials.
Remember, the frustration we feel with the fed gov did not start with Mr O. It's been brewing a long time. Few of us were happy with GW. We did NOT like GW's power grab with the 'Patriot' Act & a host of other things. Also with Clinton who gave us NAFTA. Also the raids on the SS trust fund that was started by Dems & then the D's joined up. Then there was the blow hard Newt & the BS Contract With America. IMO the reason this has reached a head is because Mr O has kept the Bush thing going, only on hyper drive. So far Mr O has brought no real change. He has not rescinded the 'Patriot' Act or lowered spending or even proposed shrinking the fed gov. Instead we are now hearing calls to increase the US debt ceiling. Boy can we afford to do that! NOT!!
Let me get this straight. Those who oppose BO are astro turf, but the bused in ACORN & SEIU peeps are grass roots? Well, if you say so...but I ain't buying!
Is this an example of grass roots?
http://tinyurl.com/mxcnlf
Boy! Would I love to get paid $15 an hr to do what I now do for free!! But, alas, the RNC won't answer my EMs. Oh well....In fact, they have yet to send me any of kind of job offers. I can only hope!! :-) They have not even asked me to show up any where!!
SamFox
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» RE: I may not agree with everything but you sure hit 'em hard.
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» RE: I may not agree with everything but you sure hit 'em hard.
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» Ralph Nader's praise for ACORN
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"Cybertribualism" -my word an active example is happing now.
Posted by: thearmadillo on Aug 15, 2009 10:42 PM
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Posted by: thearmadillo on Aug 15, 2009 10:42 PM
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A word “healthcare”
Of course there will be others pop up
I have spoke of "cybertribualism" -my word and this seems to prove that we have come to the level of "Cro-Magnon man" again as reason and the use of gray mater to stop, look, listen and reason to find solutions for direction for problem solving has reverted back to "grunting and clubs".
We now have groups of electronic tribes that float mindless in cyberspace leaching to
The emotional trash and garbage of the public relations and marketing gang of "if you have the price we will create professional lie's for you to prove what ever you desire" you provide the animal passion and meat eating hunger for the blood lust.
It always benefits those that want money , power, and control.
It seems we are still in the caves grunting and procreating like animals.
There is hope as always that the gray matter and calm can see the light of truth will over power the screaming and bloodlettings of those that can only see fear and are afraid to step out into the knowledge of light and the ever changing truth of living,
It is a walkabout we all take in this journey called life and it waits for no one
This is what “freedom is all about” it is always your choice..
I all have to say watching the actions of what I would call the lost souls it the ugly anger and hate trying to hide fear screaming and if they had a gun killing
Some poor soul there looking for answers about their child dying or a senior there wondering if they should buy a pill or cat food to live.
The animal in man is truly ugly.
Of course this is just an observation of the great armadillo,
Barrow A. Dillo
I am a Korean vet Marine Corps and I did not go to war to live and see the hate of the Nazi:
The Nazi Party was formed in Munich after World War I. It advocated right-wing authoritarian nationalist government and developed a racist ideology based on anti-Semitism and a belief in the superiority of “Aryan” Germans. Its charismatic leader, Adolph Hitler, who was elected Chancellor in 1933, established a totalitarian dictatorship, rearmed Germany in support of expansionist foreign policies in central Europe, and thus precipitated World War II. The Nazi Party collapsed at the end of the war and was outlawed in Germany.
this for the non think group from the lost ghettos a note:
ghetto |_get|
noun ( pl. -tos or -toes)
a part of a city, esp. a slum area, occupied by a minority group or groups.
ORIGIN early 17th cent.: perhaps from Italian ghetto ‘foundry’ (because the first ghetto was established in 1516 on the site of a foundry in Venice), or from Italian borghetto, diminutive of borgo ‘borough.’
Now lets speak of :
e v a n g e l I c a l | Ã I v a n » j e l I k Y l |
z e a l o u s I n a d v o c a t I n g s o m e t h I n g .
n o u n
a m e m b e r o f t h e v a n g e l I c a l t r a d I t I o n I n t h e C h r I s t I a n C h u r c h.
stop acting like animals and stand up to the responsibility of all that are in this walkabout called life.
Of course there will be others pop up
I have spoke of "cybertribualism" -my word and this seems to prove that we have come to the level of "Cro-Magnon man" again as reason and the use of gray mater to stop, look, listen and reason to find solutions for direction for problem solving has reverted back to "grunting and clubs".
We now have groups of electronic tribes that float mindless in cyberspace leaching to
The emotional trash and garbage of the public relations and marketing gang of "if you have the price we will create professional lie's for you to prove what ever you desire" you provide the animal passion and meat eating hunger for the blood lust.
It always benefits those that want money , power, and control.
It seems we are still in the caves grunting and procreating like animals.
There is hope as always that the gray matter and calm can see the light of truth will over power the screaming and bloodlettings of those that can only see fear and are afraid to step out into the knowledge of light and the ever changing truth of living,
It is a walkabout we all take in this journey called life and it waits for no one
This is what “freedom is all about” it is always your choice..
I all have to say watching the actions of what I would call the lost souls it the ugly anger and hate trying to hide fear screaming and if they had a gun killing
Some poor soul there looking for answers about their child dying or a senior there wondering if they should buy a pill or cat food to live.
The animal in man is truly ugly.
Of course this is just an observation of the great armadillo,
Barrow A. Dillo
I am a Korean vet Marine Corps and I did not go to war to live and see the hate of the Nazi:
The Nazi Party was formed in Munich after World War I. It advocated right-wing authoritarian nationalist government and developed a racist ideology based on anti-Semitism and a belief in the superiority of “Aryan” Germans. Its charismatic leader, Adolph Hitler, who was elected Chancellor in 1933, established a totalitarian dictatorship, rearmed Germany in support of expansionist foreign policies in central Europe, and thus precipitated World War II. The Nazi Party collapsed at the end of the war and was outlawed in Germany.
this for the non think group from the lost ghettos a note:
ghetto |_get|
noun ( pl. -tos or -toes)
a part of a city, esp. a slum area, occupied by a minority group or groups.
ORIGIN early 17th cent.: perhaps from Italian ghetto ‘foundry’ (because the first ghetto was established in 1516 on the site of a foundry in Venice), or from Italian borghetto, diminutive of borgo ‘borough.’
Now lets speak of :
e v a n g e l I c a l | Ã I v a n » j e l I k Y l |
z e a l o u s I n a d v o c a t I n g s o m e t h I n g .
n o u n
a m e m b e r o f t h e v a n g e l I c a l t r a d I t I o n I n t h e C h r I s t I a n C h u r c h.
stop acting like animals and stand up to the responsibility of all that are in this walkabout called life.
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» RE: "Cybertribualism" -my word an active example is happing now.
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» An active example of "cybertribalism" (my word) is happening now.
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I think it has been well-established that corporations in general...
Posted by: leafsong1 on Aug 16, 2009 7:58 AM
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Posted by: leafsong1 on Aug 16, 2009 7:58 AM
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...are by law and custom psychopathic. If they really were citizens, we would have to lock them up in institutions for the incurably and criminally insane to protect the rest of society. Instead they roam free trying to brainwash us into believing that we share their megalomaniac devotion to eternally increasing short-term profits through their vast armies of professional liars. Why do we continue to tolerate their existence?
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Astroturfers provide cover for Democratic crooks
Posted by: leafsong1 on Aug 16, 2009 8:19 AM
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Posted by: leafsong1 on Aug 16, 2009 8:19 AM
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Once again, it must be noted that the Democrats in Congress have clearly shown that they are only interested in passing a "reform" that would put the interests of the health and pharmaceutical industries above the intersts of the American people. It is obvious that any plan they produce and pass will shovel huge gobs of taxpayer dollars into the pockets of these death-profiteers. It is also obvious that graft is the reason for their behavior. The purpose of the astroturfers is simply to make all these obvious observations inobvious. They exist to afflict the American people with the illusion of a functioning republic where no such republic exists. They produce the illusion of dissent and political process where both parties are in essential agreement and all decisions are made by sale of votes to the highest bidder. The provide the illusion of democracy where the practical outcome of all elections is decided months in advance in what used to be referred to as "smoke-filled rooms," while senators and congressmen wait outside to learn their assigned positions, tasks, and fates. A poster above referred to Mein Kampf, but only understood the half of it. Astroturfers are there to provide consistency for the propaganda of both parties, which is really all just one big, bipartisan lie. Our consent is thus manufactured out of their feigned dissent.
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No, It was an Outright Lie
Posted by: LeaderofMen on Aug 16, 2009 12:36 PM
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Posted by: LeaderofMen on Aug 16, 2009 12:36 PM
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"So rather than recognizing its petition for what it was -- at best, a manipulation; at worst, a full-blown guerrilla attack on democratic processes -- Bonner & Associates chose to spin deception as a heroic exercise in patriotism.
This demonstrated a delusional egocentrism..."
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No, it was an outright lie. They had a contingency plan already ready to go. Bonner & Asses (oh, I guess that's abbreviated Asso.) knew precisely what they were doing, and were ready with a response once their lie went public.
One of the serious problems with the US today is the fact that the media is owned by only a few companies, have rightwing owners, and deep pockets with which to influence public opinion. Today's media is 'lazy', which is a euphemism for 'do not dig deeply into real issues because you will lose your job if it goes the wrong way'.
Journalists will lose their jobs if they don't present issues as 'balanced'. For example. There is no issue whatsoever that neo-Darwinian evolution is how life changed over time. But journalists are told to 'present both sides'. Sorry. There is no other side. What there is is a claim, with no evidence and with a religious notion at its foundation. That isn't a side. It's a discredited Bronze Age belief. But when journalists are told to present issues such as that as having another 'side', we all lose.
The same goes for climate change. There is no other 'side'. The evidence says we are the cause of our current bout of warming. If journalists weren't stuck having to make a paycheck from a company headed by a Republican CEO they might actually be able to report issues as they really are.
This demonstrated a delusional egocentrism..."
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No, it was an outright lie. They had a contingency plan already ready to go. Bonner & Asses (oh, I guess that's abbreviated Asso.) knew precisely what they were doing, and were ready with a response once their lie went public.
One of the serious problems with the US today is the fact that the media is owned by only a few companies, have rightwing owners, and deep pockets with which to influence public opinion. Today's media is 'lazy', which is a euphemism for 'do not dig deeply into real issues because you will lose your job if it goes the wrong way'.
Journalists will lose their jobs if they don't present issues as 'balanced'. For example. There is no issue whatsoever that neo-Darwinian evolution is how life changed over time. But journalists are told to 'present both sides'. Sorry. There is no other side. What there is is a claim, with no evidence and with a religious notion at its foundation. That isn't a side. It's a discredited Bronze Age belief. But when journalists are told to present issues such as that as having another 'side', we all lose.
The same goes for climate change. There is no other 'side'. The evidence says we are the cause of our current bout of warming. If journalists weren't stuck having to make a paycheck from a company headed by a Republican CEO they might actually be able to report issues as they really are.
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On the subject of psycopathic delusion...
Posted by: james108 on Aug 16, 2009 3:43 PM
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PBS seems to be doing a 911 search for truth thing today. Honestly, I think left and right as they call themselves are full of crap when they ignore things like this.
The government and media suppression of investigation and accountability on this, the very excuse they used to take away the constitution, or make it conditional, whatever you want to call it, is more important than a couple right wing loons right now.
The government and media suppression of investigation and accountability on this, the very excuse they used to take away the constitution, or make it conditional, whatever you want to call it, is more important than a couple right wing loons right now.
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ARE YOU STILL COMMITTED OR NOT?
Posted by: scohol on Aug 17, 2009 7:17 AM
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Posted by: scohol on Aug 17, 2009 7:17 AM
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Where is the force of people who worked so hard to get Obama elected now that theya re needed to counter the crazies attending these meetings and spewing forth their lies, and hatred. Are we no longer as committed to the message as we where in getting the messenger elected. Without a much stronger show of force, Obama and the Dems (especially the Dems) will be forced to back down) WHERE ARE ALL OF YOU COMMITTED LIBERALS AND PROGRESSIVES - STAND UP AND BE HEARD INSTEAD OF SIMPLY WRITING ABOUT THE DECLINE AND FALL OF THE REPUBS......GET AND AND DO SOMETHING BE SEEN, BE HEARD BE VISIBLE!!!!!!WHY ARE WE NOT OUT IN FORCE SHOWING OUR SUPPORT AND GETTING OUR MESSAGE OUT?
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The Corporation Film - Corporations are Psychopaths
Posted by: WillemPenn on Aug 28, 2009 10:50 AM
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Posted by: WillemPenn on Aug 28, 2009 10:50 AM
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Okay, this is old news and may have already been posted here, but check out The Corporation, a film that posits that corporations are psychopaths.
Anyone (Republican, Democrat, or just gullible citizen) who is seduced by corporations (through campaign funding or deceptive ad campaigns) is going to exhibit psychopathic behavior when it comes to defending those corporations.
Republicans are the party of free market economics and advocates of corporations, so it should not surprise us that they exhibit psychopathic behavior. But to say that they, as a party, are psychopaths is overreaching.
(FYI, I'm a socialist, so I am not defending the Republican party. I am just trying to point out the dangers of making broad generalizations about any one group).
Anyone (Republican, Democrat, or just gullible citizen) who is seduced by corporations (through campaign funding or deceptive ad campaigns) is going to exhibit psychopathic behavior when it comes to defending those corporations.
Republicans are the party of free market economics and advocates of corporations, so it should not surprise us that they exhibit psychopathic behavior. But to say that they, as a party, are psychopaths is overreaching.
(FYI, I'm a socialist, so I am not defending the Republican party. I am just trying to point out the dangers of making broad generalizations about any one group).
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The Corporation...?
Posted by: maddy141 on Sep 4, 2009 9:02 PM
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I believe they made a movie very similar to this a few years ago...
This not so enlightening/original feature was very disappointing. I failed to see how this "diagnosis" served the story other than to promote hysteria. Calm, considered, rational arguments will receive far more respect than lefty tabloid trash. An interesting issue, poorly delivered...
This not so enlightening/original feature was very disappointing. I failed to see how this "diagnosis" served the story other than to promote hysteria. Calm, considered, rational arguments will receive far more respect than lefty tabloid trash. An interesting issue, poorly delivered...
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