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Inside Story on Town Hall Riots: Right-Wing Shock Troops Do Corporate America's Dirty Work

How the health-care industry, the GOP and one media mogul made common cause with the anti-government fringe.
August 10, 2009  |  
 
 
 
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UPDATE : This and other reports shone a light on the apparent conflict of interest in work done by former House Majority Leader Dick Armey in his roles as a senior policy adviser for a lobbying firm that represents drug companies and other stakeholders in pending health-care reform legislation, and as chairman of FreedomWorks, a non-profit astroturfing outfit that organizes ill-behaved mobs to disrupt town-hall meetings on health-care reform legislation.

My reporting led me to The Medicines Company, a small pharmaceutical firm that uses DLA Piper, the lobbying firm that until August 14 employed Armey, to represent its interests on Capitol Hill.

When I called The Medicines Company for comment on its position on the health-care reform bills (and for information on any bills for which DLA Piper advocates on the company's behalf), I received only a tepid and vague response via e-mail. This led me to ask whether Armey's astroturfing operation enjoyed The Medicine Company's tacit support, since the company's business accounted for 15 percent of DLA Piper's lobbying income.

I heard nothing more from The Medicines Company until August 13, days after the piece had posted. Mary Kathryn Covert of FD, the public relations firm that represents The Medicines Company, clarified the lobbying activities for which The Medicines Company retained DLA Piper.

Covert said that The Medicines Company did not lobby at all on any of the pending health-care bills, instead focusing its efforts on patent law. For further explanation, she recommended this story from the business site, BNET.

I still find myself scratching my head, though, trying to figure out why a company with the clout held by The Medicines Company within its chosen lobbying shop would simply sit on its hands -- taking no position -- while Armey organized the mobs that target town-hall meetings on health-care reform.


The recent spate of town hall dustups may look like an overnight sensation, but they've been years, even decades, in the making.

Since the days in the late 1970s, when the New Right began its takeover of the Republican Party, it has cultivated a militia of white people armed with a grudge against those who brought forth the social changes of the '60s.

These malcontents have been promised their day of retribution, a day for which they are more than ready. Few seem to understand that they are merely dupes for a corporate agenda that will only worsen the conditions in which they live.

Why, you may ask, would men of power and fame shake the rough, unmanicured hands of gun enthusiasts, conspiracy theorists, gay-haters, misogynists and racists?

Because somebody's got to do the dirty work. Magnates don't like to soil their French cuffs, and it's hard for a bunch of rich guys to garner sympathy for threats to their bottom lines. It's the classic inside-outside game that the right wing of the GOP has played for the last two decades.

The Health-Care Industry Executive

Imagine you're an executive at a pharmaceutical company. Your U.S. operations are your cash cow; they earn you wild net profits because, unlike in other industrialized nations, you do not experience the price controls of a government-administered program in which the government negotiates for the best price on prescription drugs and devices.

Along comes a government plan for health-insurance reform that includes a public, government-financed plan. The public option, they call it. As part of the plan, you will be required to negotiate with the government for the price of medications and devices to be distributed within the plan.

Now that could really screw up your massive profit margins. Private plans might then insist on prices more like those the government is getting.

Instead of increasing your profit by double digits in the worst year the economy has seen since the Great Depression, as did an outfit called The Medicines Co., your shareholders may have to settle for profits more in line with the overall growth of the economy. And wouldn't that just stink?

Meanwhile, polls show a clear majority of Americans -- you know, regular Americans, the kind who don't want to own an AK-47, or who do accept the president's citizenship status -- favor the public option. In fact, in June, CBS News found that majority to be 72 percent.

So, whaddaya do? Well, if your lobbying firm counts former Rep. Dick Armey, R-Texas, as its senior policy adviser, you don't have do much. Dick will take care of the rest through FreedomWorks, the ostensibly grassroots, nonprofit organization of anti-taxers, cold warriors and affirmative-action opponents, which he chairs.

Need to make it look like regular Americans oppose the health-insurance reform bills now being considered by Congress? Make sure a handful of those angry white people turn up at the town hall meetings now being conducted by members of Congress throughout the country. Make sure they disrupt the meeting and rattle the congressperson.

Capture it all on amateur video and put it up on a faux, amateur-looking Web site, and try to kid the media into thinking there's a widespread rebellion happening. After all, the media are gonna want that dramatic footage.

The Republican Member of Congress

Now, suppose you're a Republican member of Congress. Your party got totally throttled in the 2008 election, and if you don't derail this health care thing, it's going to be a big win for your Democratic opponents, as millions of underinsured and uninsured Americans finally have some health care coverage -- one bright spot in a largely dismal economy.

Meanwhile, you get a lot of your campaign cash from health-care-related industries and from the Wall Street bankers and brokers who want to keep those profits soaring.

A public option is going to stink for you, too. So, while Armey's army of taxphobes is useful to you, it would be great to get some really hard-core types to further stoke the fires -- especially if marshaled by guys who know how to really tar Democrats with racist imagery and slurs of unpatriotic behavior.

That's where Grassfire.org and its brother networking site, ResistNet, come in. Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., who promised to make health-care reform President Obama's "Waterloo," is a big fan. Says so right there on the Grassfire Web site. ResistNet is yet another right-wing hub for organizing the disruption of health-care town hall meetings.

The Media Mogul

Okay, now put on the hat of a media mogul, one who rails against the minimal restrictions the U.S. has on multi-outlet ownership, and one for whom the bottom line is everything. In fact, you actually own the Wall Street Journal.

If you can nip this health care thing in the bud, you could stand in the way of a president who wants to rein in Wall Street's worse excesses and who may depress the profit margins of health-care companies in which your readers invest with his dastardly public option. What's a mogul to do?

Why not hire a guy known for riling the discontented to host a show on your cable news channel, and empower him as an organizer? Let him create a little project pegged to fear and nationalism -- something, say, like 9/11 -- through which he mobilizes bands of those aggrieved by the fact of a black president to disrupt town hall meetings.

That's exactly what Rupert Murdoch did when he hired Glenn Beck to host a Fox News Channel show and to put together a little organizing site called The 9-12 Project.

Although Beck's stated goal is to bring America back to where it was on Sept. 12, 2001 -- a nation pulled together in the wake of the terrorist attacks the day before -- he draws together only those who embrace the goals of the right.

But his project site is shaped like a social-networking tool, and activists in Florida credit the Tampa 9-12 chapter as turning them out to a town hall they helped turn into a ruckus.

Put these three scenarios together, and you have the phenomenon that has become the summer of the town-hall scuff, a heated season of right-wing disruptions of civic fora.

Add to that an oppressed-white-people narrative that has its roots in the origins of what used to be called the New Right, and you have a confluence of interests ready to elevate to prime-time status a disgruntled and paranoid minority with a penchant for misplaced blame.

FreedomWorks and the K Street Lobbyist

In Washington's K Street corridor, Dick Armey is a very important man -- so important, in fact, that he was scooped up, upon his retirement from Congress, by the lobbying firm DLA Piper.

It's been widely reported that Piper lobbies on behalf of health-care industry interests, including Bristol-Myers Squibb, but its top health-care-industry client, according to OpenSecrets.org, is The Medicines Co., a small, below-the-radar firm that has paid Armey's lobbying firm nearly $2.4 million since the beginning of 2008 -- nearly 15 percent of DLA Piper's overall lobbying income for the period.

I called The Medicines Co., requesting an interview with someone on staff who could spell out the company's position on the pending health care bills, and I got back a rather empty, generic statement via e-mail from the company's public relations firm, FD:
The Medicines Co., a small biotech company, was founded on and continues to follow our mission of saving lives, improving patient outcomes and reducing health care costs. Any suggestion that the Medicines Co. has opposed or retained anyone to oppose the pending health care reform bills is entirely mistaken.

I sent an e-mail back, asking for the company's position on the health-care bills what it spent $2.4 million to lobby for, and received no response by press time.

The Medicines Co. operates so below the radar that it is not even listed as a member on the Web site of the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturer's Association (PhRMA), which opposes the House bill because it empowers a non-elected panel of experts to oversee cost-containment in public programs.

PhRMA also claims the House plan will raise premiums on senior citizens enrolled in the Medicare prescription drug plan, a plan, as currently construed, largely seen as a giveaway to the pharmaceutical companies.

Last year, The Medicines Co. saw net earnings on its major product, the anti-coagulant Angiomax, increase 17 percent over the course of a single year.

Because of The Medicines Co.'s tight lips, we may never know whether it feels it's getting its $2.4 million worth out of Piper, or its senior policy analyst, Armey, in his effort to derail health care through the FreedomWorks astroturf site.

Go to the site, and you'll find a Health Care Action Kit (PDF), complete with talking points and Armey's "ObamaCare translator" of key terms in the health care discussion, laced with Armey's own witticisms. There's even a mock "ObamaCare insurance card" (PDF) you can print out and pass around at town halls. It promises, among other things on a bulletted list, "Rationed health care" and "Anxiety, pain, risk of death."

At the risk of mixing messages (a big public-relations no-no), Armey also advises health-care protesters to raise their opposition to the energy-reform provision called "cap and trade" in the health-care town halls.

Coincidentally, DLA Piper's lobbying portfolio includes a number of oil and energy companies.

Then, there are the actual members of FreedomWorks, who leave the most enlightening comments on the Web site:

This, from Constantine Ivanov:
June 27, 2009 -- 3:40pm
The problem is that no matter how passionately we are here condemning the socialized (better to say "Socialistisized") Medicine, "die eisernen Stiefel" (the iron jackboots) of Obamistas are methodically and systematicly destroying the very core of our country.

And I recall German troops who at a steady gait moved as close as 10 miles to Moscow in 1941.

Or, this, from Joe Massana:
June 27, 2009 -- 4:00pm
[Obama] and his socilist party are ruining this country ... I know that if I was a black man right now, I would be able to get help from the government with my construction business and household bills.

If an entity providing 15 percent of the lobbying income at Armey's day job took objection to any of this, do you think Armey would be overseeing the FreedomWorks outfit?

DLA Piper also earned $300,000 since early last year lobbying on behalf of the American Council of Life Insurers, which opposes the long-term care provisions in the House bill, which it sees as competition.

Grassfire and ResistNet

The FreedomWorks commenters are tame by comparison with those found on ResistNet, a project of Grassfire.org. Using a social-networking platform, Grassfire claims some 400,000 members who are dedicated to "resisting" the "Democratic agenda," which, by their lights, includes "open borders" and "taxpayer-funded abortions."

A 501(c)(4) nonprofit, Grassfire has been named as a "stealth political action committee" by Public Citizen. Its founder and president, Steve Elliott, has held up MoveOn.org as a model for where he would like to take his organization.

ResistNet, has become a major hub for turning out hard-core right-wingers to health-care town hall meetings. The organization took in $1.5 million in 2007 (the most recent year for which information is publicly available).

It's difficult to find out much of anything about Elliott; he manages to keep a very low profile. But SourceWatch and Public Citizen report that Grassfire is represented by the Washington public relations firm Shirley & Bannister, whose principal is Craig Shirley, the man who gave us the Willie Horton ad of the 1988 presidential election.

Shirley promoted the movie, Stolen Honor, a Swiftboat-style smear piece made about 2004 presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass. Today, Shirley's clients, according to the Shirley & Bannister Web site, include the National Rifle Association, author Ann Coulter, religious right co-founder Richard Viguerie, and other religious right figures.

But Shirley & Bannister retains ties to GOP establishment figures; its Web site bears an endorsement from William Kristol, who served in the administration of the first George Bush, who happens to be the candidate whose campaign reaped some of its victory from Shirley's Horton ad.

The firm also promotes the books of former Rep. Joe Scarborough, R-Fla., (now of MSNBC) and former George H.W. Bush speechwriter Peggy Noonan (who promised us a "kinder, gentler nation") -- books published by Rupert Murdoch's HarperCollins.

The site also lists several other major publishers as clients for the promotion of books by right-wing authors.

I called Shirley & Bannister on Friday morning, asking if Grassfire/ResistNet was its client, since it is not listed on the Web site. I was told that Amy Haas, the person who could answer my question, was on the phone, and would get back to me. She did not.

On its introductory page, Grassfire.org complimentary words from Rep. Mike Pence, R-Ind., and Sen. DeMint.

"Grassfire has done a great job and has done a great service to the American people," reads the DeMint quote.

Grassfire makes the point often that it will show the president respect and refrain from personal attacks, as ResistNet, which touts a "no tolerance policy" (they can't say "zero tolerance," since "Zero" is the nickname by which many of their members call Obama -- a play on the first letter of his last name) for "personal attacks, lewd or profane language, or militancy against Barack Obama or others."

Yet a boxed statement on the opening page of the ResistNet site offers this: Welcome to the online community for patriotic citizens who are opposing the Obama-led socialist agenda …"

ResistNet is full of comments and blog posts that violate its purported "no tolerance" policy, including those calling for social insurrection and even the death of Obama. It promises that such comments will be removed by a moderator, and yet they live on the site for months.

Here's a comment that appears below a letter one ResistNet member named Joel wrote to his congresswoman:
Comment by RBJ 1 day ago
Joel, I hate to be the one to tell you this, you remember the old saying about "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me."

Well that is all that we are doing here, just throwing words at the crowd of Socialist in D.C., aka "D.C.Terrorist"…

As we all know, when words fail, reach over and get a 2 X 4 and get after it. Words don't hurt, but a good solid A$$ Whooping will get there attention everytime!

Once you have their attention, then you can talk.

Or check out this one, posted by George and Pat Wilkins on Aug. 6, in which they close a long post warning that "the statists will pass socialized medicine in September" by wishing for the death of the president:
Waiting lines will be long, those waiting will find operable conditions be found to be inoperable, Hospice and palliation for comfort will be their fate. Others will die. Why is this being done? back door reparations. I pray that God will strike Obama dead, and all who stand with him they are evil.

And those just two recent examples. Posted on July 2, and still living on the ResistNet site as I write is a video by the Rev. James David Manning, who warns that "white folks are gonna riot in the streets, and I'm gonna join them." Throughout the video, Manning, an African American, refers to Obama as a "half-breed Mack Daddy" -- slang for a kind of megapimp.

Then there's this charming bit of propaganda, Obama = Hitler (which you can view at the bottom of this story), which dubs video of Obama delivering a speech with the voice of Adolf Hitler, and interposes swastikas and Obama's campaign logo; Obama is shown wearing a swastika armband; Hitler is shown with the Obama logo as a belt buckle.

Footage of Obama supporters, most of them African American, is run side-by-side with Hitler's adoring crowds. As Obama waves and moves his mouth, the dub is Hitler yelling, "Sieg Heil!"

The ResistNet site is also peppered with posts touting the birther conspiracy, and other right-wing favorites. After Thursday's scuffle at the Tampa, Fla., health care town hall, Eric Erikson (cross-posting from RedState) blamed the violence on "SEIU thugs," an emerging right-wing theme reported earlier by Steve Benen.

I tried to contact Grassfire President Steve Elliott to ask him about the conflict between ResistNet's "no tolerance" policy and the vitriol I found on his site. I also wanted to find out if there are health-care interests among his donors. Elliott, said Tina, the woman who answered the phone, was traveling, and his spokesman, Ron DeJong, was on vacation. She promised to text Elliott with my contact information, but I never heard back.

Glenn Beck and the 9-12 Project

Which brings us to Glenn Beck. There's little I can add to what's been reported (click here for AlterNet's Tana Ganeva writing on Beck's racism), except that when I went to the Web site of Beck's 9-12 Project, another hub of organizing for disrupters of health-care town hall meetings, I found that the comments section had been shut down.

The message left by someone named "Editor" bore no time stamp, only a date: August 6, the date of the infamous Tampa brouhaha at which anti-health-care protesters, according to the St. Petersburg Times, said they had been inspired by Beck and his project.

Each of these organizations have this in common: They're all promoting a march on Washington for Sept. 12. Others in the mix include TeaPartyExpress.org, and the Our Country Deserves Better PAC, which was founded by Howard Kaloogian in the heat of the presidential campaign.

Kaloogian was the chairman of the "Recall Gray Davis Committee," which succeeded in unseating the Democratic governor of California. Our Country Deserves Better ran the "Stop Obama" bus tour during the 2008 presidential election, and was faulted by Fact Check.org for airing misleading anti-Obama advertising.

The Inside-Outside Game

The right wing of the GOP has long played this kind of inside-outside game, from the earliest days of the founding of the religious right by Richard Viguerie, Howard Phillips and the late Paul Weyrich. All were veterans of the 1964 Barry Goldwater campaign, and all had experience within the establishment Republican Party.

Viguerie, following a model pioneered by Morris Dees for the 1972 Democratic primary campaign of Sen. George McGovern, D-S.D., harnessed the power of direct-mail solicitations to land Ronald Reagan in the White House. Weyrich founded the Heritage Foundation, which became a fax-generating spin and policy factory for the Reagan administration.

Phillips took the game outside, organizing on-the-ground misanthropes, and eventually founding his own political party, the U.S. Taxpayer's Party (now the Constitution Party) to exert pressure on the GOP from the outside.

The strategy firmly established the right's foothold in the GOP, leading to the party's takeover. Any remnant of the old establishment of the Republican Party was crushed in 1996, when defeated presidential candidate Patrick J. Buchanan, now a MSNBC commentator, threatened to walk the delegates he had won in his primary war against Sen. Bob Dole, R-Kansas, out of the Republican National Convention and into the arms of Phillips' U.S. Taxpayer Party if the GOP platform did not firmly enough oppose abortion. He also insisted the platform incorporate a host of other right-wing demands, such as a condemnation of the United Nations.

The GOP forked over the writing of its platform to Phyllis Schlafly (another veteran of the Goldwater campaign) and Buchanan's sister, Bay, and the takeover was complete. The right wing became the Republican establishment.

All of the narratives today embraced by the ResistNet, FreedomWorks and the Glenn Beck crowd find their legs in the one-man clearinghouse that is Howard Phillips.

Through his Conservative Caucus, Phillips disseminated the "birther" theory that Obama is not an American citizen, gave right-wing operative Cliff Kincaid an award for researching Obama's alleged socialist roots, and for years has railed against "socialized medicine" -- even arguing that Medicare is unconstitutional and warning darkly of a time when the government might determine who shall live and who shall die.

"[W]hen the supply of medical care is controlled by politicians and bureaucrats," Phillips told a 1997 gathering of his Conservative Caucus Foundation, "and the demand for that care exceeds the supply, then individual human beings created in God's image become price factors in the eyes of medical gatekeepers -- they're not even medical, they're bureaucratic gatekeepers -- who determine medical decisions not on the basis of medical needs, but on the basis of bureaucratic priorities."

Phillips' disdain for feminists is palpable, and his language about LGBT people, routinely labeled on his Web site as "perverts," "homos" and "sodomites" is contemptible. He refers to Planned Parenthood as "Murder Incorporated."

I called Phillips for comment on this article, but he was en route to Mexico where he has convened a press conference to protest the nonexistent North American Union, another right-wing conspiracy theory. (Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, is an invited speaker.)

Phillips advanced the career of Randall Terry, founder of the militant anti-aborton group Operation Rescue. At one point, it seemed that his U.S. Taxpayer's Party was to Operation Rescue what Sinn Fein is to the Irish Republican Army -- the political wing of a movement steeped in violence. (In Terry's case, the violence was in rhetoric and obstruction designed to incite others to act.)

Conspiracy of Silence

On Aug. 4, Terry, who is seeking to make a comeback with his new organization, Operation Rescue Insurrecta Nex, sent out an e-mail blast urging followers to attend health care town halls convened by members of Congress.

Trotting out the trope the that health-care reform bills provide for taxpayer-funded abortions, he urges his followers:



Stir up some dust!

Be "unreasonable!"

In fact, you might want to be a little noisier and a little more intense than you might normally be.

I put it this way: If you were in danger of being murdered, and I could possibly save you at a town hall meeting, how would you want people to behave in a town hall meeting?

At a July press conference, Terry warned of "random acts of violence" that would occur if the health-care bill passed. There would be violent "reprisals against those deemed guilty," he said.

Think Terry's too out on the fringe to matter? Think again. When AlterNet reported that the Supreme Court nomination hearing of Judge Sonia Sotomayor was being disrupted by Terry's followers, not one Republican senator condemned him by name.

When Terry staged a demonstration outside the White House featuring men in Obama masks "whipping" him, not a distancing word was placed between him and the GOP establishment.

And now he is promulgating the false Republican claim that health-care reform will mean socialized euthanasia for the aged.

Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin also has links to Phillips; for seven years, her husband, Todd, claimed membership in the Alaska affiliate of the Constitution Party -- the secessionist Alaska Independence Party, whose convention Palin addressed last year via video.

Every other day, it seems, I receive an e-mail from one right-wing organization or another, warning of the grave consequences of health-insurance reform.

The subject line in an e-mail from Human Events magazine screams at me "Grandmas and babies exterminated by Obama 'health' plan," even as another of its e-mails asks, "Obama birth certificate destroyed?" The anti-gay American Family Association warns: "Liberals seek to silence and demonize those who oppose their socialism."

Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council sent a plea for money to finance a television ad that features an elderly couple complaining of the government's denial of surgery for the man while financing abortion with taxpayer dollars.

Think these organizations are not the Republican establishment? Consider that the annual Values Voter Summit sponsored by the Family Research Council's PAC will feature former "moderate" GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney as a keynote speaker.

In the corridors of Washington's K Street lobbying offices, in the district offices of Republican members of Congress, and in the executive suite of one singular mogul, the men of power must be well-pleased with themselves, watching YouTube videos of the mayhem they have unleashed on the rest of us. But they may just get their pound of flesh.





Adele M. Stan AlterNet's acting Washington bureau chief.
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REPUG THUGS WE KNOW YOU!
Posted by: foreverhope on Aug 10, 2009 12:16 AM   
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Alternet is our House. You don't belong here.

This is a place for progressives.

You have no concept of progress.

This is a place for intellectually connected individuals.

You are intellectually void.

This is a place for those seeking truth.

Everything you think you know and think you are amounts to a great big lie.

We understand the concept of common human decency.

You don't.

We respect our Constitution.

You obscenely USE our Constitution to pollute our Country with your fascist goals and agenda.

You have no concept whatsoever nor do you care about our democratic process. Save your horseshit about all of us getting along, love one another, peace out. Blah, blah, yada, yada. Go tell it to the Town Hall Terrorists! See if they listen to you! Whyning: "why are you doing this to us? whaaaaa, you're so unfair, so facist, so not Americans, we should be able to say and do whatever we want, whhaaaaaa. Let the Town Hall Terrorists riot. It's a free country."

You think we are so stupid? We know you!

We know more and more about you and your sort everyday. Save your whining, save your sappy droning and perfectly ignorant opinions. Your unmitigated ignorance is breathtaking. However it also inspires us greatly believe you me.

We all know why you are here.

Remember the Civil Right's Movement of the 1960's? There are videos and photographs if you've never seen them. Have a look.

Those are democrats you'll see there, fighting for freedom, equality, liberty and justice.

FIGHTING FOR AMERICAN DEMOCRACY!

We made that happen and we will again in triplicate, put it in the bank.


Those of us posting here, those that read and don't post. If not us our parents, our grandparents, we did that.

That is organized descent and freedom to assemble in it's truest & best form. Not riots organized by fascists.

This is what democrats do, that's who we are.

Most of us are born democrats. It isn't partisanship. That is another slam, another smear, something you use to raise doubts in our hearts of heart and slander us to anyone that will buy it.

You play on every weakness and fear to sell it.

Grassroots organizing is in our blood. Whatever you see from the Civil Right's movement that gave millions of Americans equality shadows in comparison to the price you will pay for what you are attempting to do to our duly elected President and ultimately to our Nation.

While you're at it take a look at videos of President Obama's election. See the millions upon millions of multi-racial faces you will be dealing with at your Town Meeting Riots and all over this great country to stop your terrorism.

You are truly, truly fools to underestimate our President!

You underestimate him and ridicule his affable easy manner and his good humor. He is a LION in the way the Kennedys' are LIONS of the highest degree. This is why we elected him. This is why we will protect him at all costs. We will thwart you at every turn, in every way we have, each moment of everyday to stop you.

President Obama's calmness in the midst of this storm calms me.

I know what I must do. Anyone even remotely sane that reads you knows what we must do.


God have mercy on your pathetic souls when someone dies from the madness you've unleashed on our Country.

Courage is contagious. We are organizing.

You are doomed.

Pass it on.

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Children who play with matches can get burned.
Posted by: Sojourner on Aug 10, 2009 12:30 AM   
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I was glad to read that Attorney General Holder is ready to act. What has so far been mentioned has been an investigation into CIA abuses related to interrogation of prisoners. I have seen no word of where that is likely to lead.

It is safe to assume that the CIA can use the Oliver North excuse that they only did what the President authorized them to do. In which case the discussion shifts to how Bush and Cheney were involved.

Now, is that really what the radical right wants to see in the headlines for the next twelve months, leading up to the mid-year elections? I think not. But I expect that unless they calm their natives down to a quiet roar rather than stirring them up, the administration will have little choice but to remind the nation of how we got where we are and who got us here.

The hubbub so far may need a wider context. They no longer control the headlines. Once the rottenness of what we have lived through escapes confinement, the stench cannot be controlled. Any doubts about how bad it gets?

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Fear, Insecurity, Instability -- Anxiety
Posted by: talkville on Aug 10, 2009 12:36 AM   
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Fertile soil.

For those who harness the strength of their ethics to the strength of their portfolio-balance sheets and their piety.

They're in the agri-business of hate.

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Bread and Circuses
Posted by: bonapartist on Aug 10, 2009 12:49 AM   
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Due to the recession the bread is in short supply but there is certainly plenty of circuses.

From Tea Parties to Birthers, it keeps the plebs occupied and biting at each other.

What exactly did the whole ruckus done for now? Disrupted the government? Nope. Caused unrest? Nope, except in a very limited fashion for a country of 300 millions. Radicalyl changed the US domestic and international politics? Big nope.

It is a perfect trojan horse to distract people from real issues, namely that current US president lied through his ears to get elected while continuing his predecessors policies - bailout, Iraq, Afghanistan, botched healthcare.

Oh noes, poor democrats are under attack by "rightwingers" (who happen to be ordinary looking loudmouths and not uniformed SA-type thugs) let us all rally to their defense!!!!

Why? So Obama and his cronies could sign another 80 billion deal with big pharm? So they could pour another untold trillions into bailing of the rich? So they could quietly continue colonial ventures abroad?

As far as I can say the Dems so-called "mortal" enemies are happily collecting their paychecks, bonuses, pork, and contriburions. Bush & Co are peacefully retired in luxury.

Yep, the oligarchy is happy and content, from Dems to GOP. The system is working and plebs fight among themselves over non issues.

And yes, as I said before, in light of trillions waisted for bailout, wars etc heckling at Town Hall meetings are non issues.

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How To Fight RW Disruptors? Suckers For Suckers!
Posted by: Ishmael1 on Aug 10, 2009 1:21 AM   
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I've been propogating this idea since the first reports of these loudmouths surfaced. This is what I'M doing at my Town Hall on 8/22.

I'm bringing a big bag of Lollipops to hand out to RW loudmouths. My slogans:

Suckers for Suckers!

If you're going to be a Sucker for the Republican Party, at least HAVE a Sucker.

Democrats will GIVE you Suckers instead of PLAYING you FOR Suckers!


I heartily urge all my fellow Progressives to do the same at THEIR Town Halls.

think of the TV images. RW loudmouths screaming while peaceful progressives hand them Suckers. Let the Nation SEE who the REAL Suckers are.

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Brownshirts Revisited
Posted by: Tom Degan on Aug 10, 2009 1:25 AM   
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Now that the GOP's cover has been eternally blown, they have no other choice but to encourage "the base" (or what's left of it) into a violent insurrection. That is what has been happening lately at these Town Hall Meetings. Today these people are disrupting Democracy through means of fear and intimidation. Tomorrow it will be by use of firearms. Count on it.

This could very easily be called the Glenn Beck Revolution. The former shock jock-turned FOX News commentator has spent the last several weeks stirring up his clueless masses into hissy fits of rage and paranoia. Beck likes to think of himself as the modern day equivalent of Howard Beale, the character from the classic 1976 film, Network. it's an apt comparison when you think about it. He's mad as hell.

It really is interesting when you think about it. A person with no journalistic experience whatsoever could hope to find success as a journalist only on FOX Noise. If Howard Stern tomorrow decided that he wanted to change careers and start over as a Progressive commentator on MSNBC, do you really think for one minute that most Liberals would be stupid enough to tune in? If Keith Olbermann tonight called upon the masses to disrupt all public events hosted by Eric Cantor, few if any Liberals, I'm am certain, would follow his lead in blind obedience. Then just what is it with these silly wing-nuts?

By the way, this is slightly off-topic but I have a prediction to make: Eric Cantor will be their nominee in 2012. While he may be utterly lacking in substance, he looks really good on television - the perfect GOP candidate. Here is what their selling point is going to be three years from now:

We made history four years ago by sending a black guy to the Oval Office. Let's do it again by sending a Jew!

Mark my words, boys and girls....

The GOP's Little Image Problem

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

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It's but a symptom...
Posted by: The Old Hippie on Aug 10, 2009 2:02 AM   
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This corporatist manipulation is but a symptom of the larger picture, which is very bluntly exposed in the article linked here.

Enjoy your reality, whether you like it or not, it is your allowed reality, and because of it, the allowing, “We Deserve What Is Coming...”

Right?
 

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Bait & Switch
Posted by: Perry Logan on Aug 10, 2009 2:29 AM   
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"It is a perfect trojan horse to distract people from real issues, namely that current US president lied through his ears to get elected while continuing his predecessors policies - bailout, Iraq, Afghanistan, botched healthcare."

I believe it's called a Bait & Switch

What an irony that the town hall hall protesters have not a clue that Obama is pursuing all the policies of his predecessor. In a sane world, they would be celebrating, and we would be disrupting the meetings.

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It's so obvious.
Posted by: uncertain on Aug 10, 2009 2:31 AM   
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Naturally, these malcontents are corporate shills, and not just people who don't want their taxes raised or their current level of care decimated.

I mean, who wouldn't want to pay higher taxes? Look at all the good things government gives us with the money we already give them.

We should just give government all our money and let them decide how much (if any) we need back.

For our own good, of course.

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That too
Posted by: bonapartist on Aug 10, 2009 2:50 AM   
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I cannot stand the Right or GOP or any of their ilk however I don't need any more motivation to throw bricks at Bambam and his playmates above and beyond reading the daily news.

The old game of US vs THEM

US being virtuous Obama suporters whose holy leader is a champion of goodness and reform.

If you point out that Obama lied and continued his predcessor's failed policies you join the ransk of THEM.

THEM being the haters of democracy, crypto nazi thugs, corporate shills (if you happen to support the Right) OR bolshevik commies, anarchists, dibaolical antichrists (if you happen to support the Left).

Only the dear leader (no matter who he is) sitting in US Presidnet's chair is untouchable.

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Arm Yourself!
Posted by: arested on Aug 10, 2009 3:56 AM   
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The last time we had such a division in the United States was just prior to the Civil War. It's the place the right-wingers want to go again - so be prepared!

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The phony cultural populism was always the tool for Corporate America.
Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 10, 2009 4:10 AM   
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Actually, I've seen both the left and the right misuse the culture wars while in the end going to bed with Corporate America. This is just one example. If I were a health insurance executive, I can easily bribe an ordinary Joe or Jane to show up and be disruptive in townhall meetings. Where does this money come from? Why the broken health care system of course? Will Obamacare stop such flow of money? Hell no. Single payer health care would but you see, if you're against Obamacare but for single payer, then you're "unpatriotic".

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There's an upside to this sharply increased threat level,
Posted by: timenotonmyside on Aug 10, 2009 5:14 AM   
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which is two-fold: First, it has the potential to lead, to lead to a sharp rejection of what the movement conservatives are up to. Second, it's a whole lot easier to document the projection involved. That's because the dynamic of wealthy special interests supporting street thuggery against "the left" is exactly how both Mussolini and Hitler came to power.



No one has a problem with right-wingers marching in protest of the health-care plans. That's certainly their right. And no one minds that they choose to participate in these forums. But town halls were never designed to be vehicles for protest. They have always been about enabling real democratic discourse in a civil setting.
When someone's entire purpose in coming out to a town-hall forum is to chant and shout and protest and disrupt, they aren't just expressing their opinions -- they are actively shutting down democracy.

And that, folks, is a classically fascist thing to do.

The corporate role in orchestrating this thuggery is not just an allegation, or an observation. It's been confirmed by the perpetrators themselves.

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Too funny
Posted by: progressive-life on Aug 10, 2009 5:22 AM   
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Amazing why the left feels America can't possibly be against the "Great Ones" plan for socializing the country..

What is so hard to understand that America wants affordable healthcare with insurance companies regulated - not crappy free "Obamacare" where you are lucky if you can get an appointment and some asshole is making a cost benefit analysis of the drugs you need to maybe save your life.

Thank god people are finally standing up against our "Dear Leader". Now Obama is sending in his union thugs to deal with Americans who have ligit concerns.

Welcome to Obama's "Amerika"! Now I think i will hang my flag upside down until this disaster is removed from office! Thankfully he's destined to be a one term disaster!

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Who is telling lies?
Posted by: C. Rich on Aug 10, 2009 5:22 AM   
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They tell us the Town Hall thing is a lie but read what I found about who is really telling lie that effect all of us. Read this in shock:

http://americaspeaksink.com/?s=food+a+scam

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Corporatism
Posted by: snowhound on Aug 10, 2009 5:33 AM   
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Alternet again is firing up the left against the right and doing none of us any good. Imagine if you’re a Pharmaceutical Company and the government decides it's no longer going to subsidize health care. You'll be out of a job the next day. The new right is just as mislead as the new left. The problem with both of them is that neither of them is truly liberal nor conservative. The right tries to police the world and ignores the fact that big Corporations are behind most of our government regulations and tariffs because it gives them more power and control. The left isn't very liberal when it comes to individual liberty and the right for people to live there own lives without government taxation and representation. The media feeds into all of this because it's all a part of the plan for World government. The WHO, WTO, NAFTA, and NATO were not formed for no reason. They give more power to government and corporations. They will take from the majority to furnish the few.

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Google Gladnney Mehlville MO Rep. Mel Carnahan D-MO
Posted by: CovertRage on Aug 10, 2009 5:34 AM   
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That's right. Unions support the President's plan, whatever it is, and want these greedy insurance companies, healthcare denial charlatans, and all the drug companies to go straight to hell.

This idiot Gladney disrupted Mel Carnahan's townhaller, picking a fight with some attendees from a couple local unions, acting on ReThugniCon talking points, and got his ass whipped by an angry horde tired of the bullsh!t. As fate would have it, Gladney, a political Joe the Plumber type, is out of work laid off, and has no health insurance. Now his stupid butt is rolling around in a wheelchair, shamelessly accepting donations to cover his newly incurred medical expenses.

These fearful loathing bigoted flat earth-birthers just don't get it. They are too busy being pissed that America rightfully elected a qualified Black man to our highest office to realize that they're being used and discarded by the very fascist corporatocracy these idiots esteem so highly, who see these birther rubes as little more than immediately expendable the moment they get to be too much trouble. Like when one laid-off, uninsured moron who's laid off accepts $20 to wind up with a medical bill of $1200 incurred while inciting a riot, regurgitating ReThug talking points at a townhaller hosted by hostile unionists who are sick of corporate fascism and the ignorant rubes they use to screw up American life for everyone.

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Nader Was Right: Liberals are Going Nowhere With Obama
Posted by: JMorse on Aug 10, 2009 6:35 AM   
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Chris Hedges at TRUTHDIG

The American empire has not altered under Barack Obama. It kills as brutally and indiscriminately in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan as it did under George W. Bush. It steals from the U.S. treasury to enrich the corporate elite as rapaciously. It will not give us universal health care, abolish the Bush secrecy laws, end torture or “extraordinary rendition,” restore habeas corpus or halt the warrantless wiretapping and monitoring of citizens. It will not push through significant environmental reform, regulate Wall Street or end our relationship with private contractors that provide mercenary armies to fight our imperial wars and produce useless and costly weapons systems.

ARTICLE HERE

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Illusion or reality? Do wing nuts know the difference?
Posted by: ETSpoon on Aug 10, 2009 6:42 AM   
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It has come to my attention over the years that when dealing with the foot-soldiers of the reactionary right is the simple and observable fact that these individuals can not distinguish fiction from nonfiction, illusion and fantasy from reality.

Let me give you a couple of illustrations which come to mind: A few years ago a decidedly right wing email was making the viral rounds called "A My Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys," and there followed a list of JPEGs featuring B-grade Western film and television cowboy actors. The series of photos ending with the twin towers of the Hollywood cowboydom, Ronald Reagan and, of course, John Wayne. Noticeably absent from this list was the only hero worthy of the name, Audie Murphy.

By the way, I tried to find the Web site of the original viral email, as I emailed the owner to note the oversight, and slight, of Audie Murphy. However, I have found another Web site titled My Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys, http://oldbluejacket.com/ which, if nothing else, is even stupider than the previous one. Again no Audie Murphy but the ultimate "cowboy" is neither a hero or a cowboy but the spoiled eldest son of an ex-president. The Web site is kind of humorous, in a twisted sort of way provided one can control one's gag reflex.

I heard my other example of the reactionary right blurring the boundaries of reality and fantasy last night during a power outage. Setting in the glow of my Coleman lamp, listening to my crank-dynamo powered radio, I tried of American Public Radio's "Pipe Dreams" organ recital music program and began twirling the dial. In so doing I chanced upon Glenn Beck exhorting his equally unhinged acolytes to "fight" this "thing," health care insurance reform I imagine, like William Wallace and Patrick Swayze.

I am sure The Pillsbury Doughboy of right wing radio was referring not to the real William Wallace, a minor lord of the Scottish lowlander nobility notable in his time for winning the Battle of Stirling Bridge, losing the Battle the Falkirk and being executed by Edward I of England. The suburban white boy who never dirtied his hands to earn a buck in his life, of course, is counting on the fact that the only William Wallace his audience of retired union factory workers, truck drivers and drunken salesmen holed up for the night in small town motels know is the Mel Gibson "Braveheart" William Wallace.

And the Patrick Swayze reference must be about the stupid, boring 1984 mujahideen-in-Colorado fantasy "Red Dawn." I do not know Mr. Swayze's political preferences but I do not think it swings as far right as the maniacally Beck.

But clearly Beck's was exhorting his listeners to violence knowing, his audience does not have the ability to distinguish Hollywood fantasy from political or social reality. Yet this serves as the slippery Doughboy's out when questioned about his overt exhortations to violence: He was just talking about movies.

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"Could it Be Satan?"
Posted by: Purple Girl on Aug 10, 2009 6:45 AM   
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Visited and healed the Sick
Resurrected the 'dead'
Visited Leper Colonies
Sounds like a person who would support a Universal Health care plan.

Disgusted by 'Money Changers'
Multipied and distributed Fish & Bread to the masses
Rebelled against a Imperial Military
Sounds like a person who would never support the Miltiary Industral Complexes Profit margins

Rejected religious justification for oppression and greed by the self anointed
Rebuked wealth and power as the means to salvation.
Rebuffed Satans tempations- worship the satan and be granted all the 'Kingdoms' of the World'.Sounds like a person who would have never Joined the a cult like C Street.

When the infant mortality rate is 7 deaths out of 100 births (7%),ranking US at 29th "best" in the World, it is obviously a matter of lack of proper health care that is killing more babies than abortion. 17 pregnacies are terminated out of 1,000 (.017%).
So why aren't the "Pro Lifers" up in arms about that?

But well beyond that oxymoronic stance, is the 'Guns and God' Group. Do tell when did Christ use weaponry to spread his Word? When did he hire mercenary 'soldiers' to enlighten the 'sinners'? Does Prophecy state Christ uses a AK 47 to defeat Satan in the 'Final Battle'?

Then we have those who hate 'empathy' because it cost them too much- the Teabaggers. Christ lavished himself in Gold and priviledges as proof of his divinity? Christ saw the masses and choose not to use his talents to share the fish & Bread? Chirst topple the money changers tables so he could dominate the market as one himself? In fact did he pick up the money and stick it in his own pocket, or leave it behind for those they had swindled?

I have no idea who these people are or what the really worship,but I know what they are not- Christians.

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Randle Terry
Posted by: JSquercia on Aug 10, 2009 6:57 AM   
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Randle Terry warning the Administration Not to push his people too far and saying whatever happens will be on their (Administration)m hands reminds me of the wife beater who claims it is ALL her fault for provoking him .

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What is Driving Town Hall Antics?=RACISM
Posted by: drricklippin on Aug 10, 2009 7:04 AM   
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FEAR DRIVEN BY RACISM OF OUR FIRST US BLACK PRESIDENT

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa

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Where's the Beef?
Posted by: bandofotters on Aug 10, 2009 7:05 AM   
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Many individuals have been very vocal at these Town Meetings. I came here looking for facts and truth. I would have thought that it would have been a piece of cake to identify these individuals and to expose them as right-wing extremists in individual profiles. Now I don't know. Where can I find specific information about the people who have been nationally featured as vocal at these town meetings?

By the way, why can't the middle class look well-dressed? Is there a new definition being applied by some in Washington?

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Scary Logic: IRRATIONAL RATIONING
Posted by: americansheep on Aug 10, 2009 7:06 AM   
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Some are arguing that an all-inclusive government health care plan will bring about "rationing" of health care. Being selfish, they don't want to be a victim of being rationed. And being selfish their answer is to approve a health care plan that will leave 17 million of their nations' co-inhabitants without coverage. THAT is what I call "irrational rationing"...

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Great writeup and the Inconvenient 911truth
Posted by: channing on Aug 10, 2009 7:17 AM   
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As I commented a few days ago at Alternet, I managed to get a first-person 'interview' with our local Tea Party organizer, who is also the local 9-12 Project coordinator, who is also 'fresh' up from Texas (just like you'd expect form a professional plant) working for a major DoD contractor (also expected) doing a job that my good friend, who he is dating, cannot understand (also expected). Part of my comment is appropriate here:

"Beck is only a Front-Man, like GW Bush was, for a carefully calculated and coordinated campaign of disruption aimed at the liberal democratic People and Ideas of the United States against our efforts to restore the Rule of Law, orchestrated by neoconnected military-industrial powers."

That was in specific reference to Glen Beck being the so-called founder of the 9-12 Projectand shutting down comments there, but thanks to Adele Stan's post here, many of the details are fleshed out in their own gory detail.

The Inconvenient 911truth of it is that, as everyone here knows, I believe the Bush administration had virtually everything to do with seeing to it not only that the WTC and Pentagon were successfully attacked, but that the consequent total destruction would force the American people into supporting a global fascist agenda centered on PNAC's (Project for a New American Century) platform, thereby allowing such as government spying on Americans and Exxon's record-shattering profits. This is now fortunately being borne out not only by my first-hand encounter with a paid and active member of several of these groups, and who is adamantly opposed to re-investigating the mass-murder of 3,000 Americans... " We only want to look forward, not backward", but also as more invisible ink shows up on the wall through every channel conceivable.

Summing up, I know Alternet is no cheerleader of 911truth, but I ask that someone on staff please just connect one more dot in an otherwise large coffer of incriminating evidence that the stolen 2000 elections was in fact the beginning of a pre-staged coup against the USA by global players, and that 9/11/01 was the preordained "Outside Enemy" required to catalyze the consequent multi-trillion dollar plunder of our wealth. You can deny any or all specific facts, but if you looked into them you cannot any longer hold onto any reasonable doubt that the scenario is not only possible, but likely... they continue mounting every day, don't they... Eric Prince is no murderer, he's a crusader isn't he?

Lots more to come folks, but the Inconvenient 911truth is going to rise as a cornerstone for saving the people from their own government tyranny today and restoring sanity and the rule of law to a hurting world and especially the American People.

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The Word "Conspiratists" Used Again Here
Posted by: edgar_michel on Aug 10, 2009 7:21 AM   
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"Conspiratists" is used to drill into the heads of Americans that anyone doubting the official story of 9/11 must be maligned corporatists or Right Wing frince theocratists when in fact the corporations and their Right Wing factions were the most probable instigators of 9/11. But now "Conspiratists" are lumped in with Right Wing fringe theocratists. When I read something like this in the opening paragraph of an article, it is a flag to me that tells me not to waste my time with the author.

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THIS IS NOT ALL ABOUT HEALTH INSURANCE
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Aug 10, 2009 7:28 AM   
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Granted it's a sink or swim deal for Obama.But in fact the Right Wing Conservative Crowd has found what they present as their reason to trash Obama. Truth is, they didn't need one. They don't like the man. But now they have a 'cause'. It's phoney and transparent. They are not people who typically examine any particular issue they're faced with and act on it. They are told what to do by their various leaders. Alot like the crowds that Sarah Palin gathered. They shout and holler because they don't have a clear enough understanding of the problem to ask an intelligent question. I really believe that they see the country wanting to go in a more inclusive direction. Every American with health insurance offends them. They prefer their way. The traditional bunch of white haired old geezers deciding everything from what I do with my ovaries to whose children go off to fight the next unnecessary and contrived war. They have no interest in the common good. It is their mission to maintain their sense of privilege and superiority. And yes, the rest of can just drop dead. Thanks,ANNA

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popham
Posted by: popham on Aug 10, 2009 7:31 AM   
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During my five road trips across America
2007-08, I encountered thousands of concerned
Americans, the majority of whom do not share
the extremes of the right or the left. In fact,
they believe that it is those extremes which
are tearing this country apart.
The Americans I spoke with just want to see
America back on the right track. They fear the
powerful elites of Washington and recognize that our laws, the Constitution, have been
ignored, denied and shredded by the
current and previous Administrations.
There are so many divergent groups, organizations 'out there' propagating, spewing
their own vitriolic rhetoric from both sides of
the aisle. It all serves no purpose whatsoever,
other than to further divide the people into
resolute mean-spirited factions. The Limbaughs, the Becks AND
the left wing politicians, pundits and MSM do not represent
America. They only postulate and preach.
Their goal is not the betterment of America.
It is proseltyzeing at its worst.
For thirty years, Congress has pursued the same
dirty road of distraction. Whether by design or
subtle intention, this country has been dragged down to where we are today. Propaganda, sound bites and ignorant, ill-informed politicians and the Media are at the core of the ultimate failure of this great nation. Yes, some kind of revolution is coming.

We can and must at this critical time in history join forces as one family of 300 million Americans and show the world, that we
are indeed the greatest nation on earth.

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Keeping Medical Costs High.
Posted by: melpol on Aug 10, 2009 8:11 AM   
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It is not in the interest of private insurers to have Medicare available for all Americans. They demand the population keeps struggling with an average of six hundred dollars a month in medical insurance costs. Trillions of dollars are at stake and they will not give a dime up without a fight.

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Oh goodie ! Oh goodie ! Town hall protests ! Now that's entertainment ! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE !!
Posted by: FLYING DOOFUS on Aug 10, 2009 8:18 AM   
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I gotta order me another sausage bacon pepperoni pizza and some beer ! MORE FOOD ! MORE FOOD !

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Here's a brilliant health care plan. More tax cuts for unemployed.
Posted by: FLYING DOOFUS on Aug 10, 2009 8:19 AM   
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You get more money to take home to pay your insurance companies. MORE TAX CUTS !

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In a nutshell
Posted by: kegbot1 on Aug 10, 2009 8:27 AM   
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Since the days in the late 1970s, when the New Right began its takeover of the Republican Party, it has cultivated a militia of white people armed with a grudge against those who brought forth the social changes of the '60s.

These malcontents have been promised their day of retribution, a day for which they are more than ready. Few seem to understand that they are merely dupes for a corporate agenda that will only worsen the conditions in which they live.


Adele in two paragraphs you have summed it up completely. I look at these angry shouting faces, ready for murder, and see the most brainwashed, undereducated and deluded group of people, perhaps, in human history.

But they cannot ever believe they are merely pawns in the rich man's game because that would call into question a lifetime of beliefs and actions and Americans, as a species, have been taught never to admit those kinds of personal errors. As the Duke said "never apologize mister, it's a sign of weakness."

Even if these people become dimly aware they are being played for fools they still get the joy of cracking the skulls of people they've been taught to hate for decades. Yes, this activity may not make them wealthy but it satisfied another, deeper, animal need these people have to lash out at someone for their perceived loss of the 'American dream.'

I've been trying to wake up my friends for awhile as well that this is nothing new. I heard the eliminationist rhetoric since I was a child in the 70s. I heard the veiled threats at many table talks (often my father's friends) where they would bemoan if they could just get rid of all the (insert any ethic/racial group here) we could FINALLY have the kind of America that decent white people would be proud of.

And now, with a collapsing economy and shrinking resources, the mob is finally being mobilized for action - to turn on Americans who don't fit the profile - and mimic the streetfights between Nazis, Communists and trade unions in pre-Hitler Germany. Out of this division, will rise something even more awful that we can contemplate.

The specter of true fascism now haunts the land and I for one have become colossally depressed to see what my country is becoming. A lust for blood is being whipped up and when it is let loose, there will be no winners except the corporations and the biggest loser will be a dream that was born in a Philadelphia meeting house in 1776.

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In Defense of Disruption by Russell Mokhiber
Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Aug 10, 2009 8:40 AM   
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What do:

Rush Limbaugh

Barack Obama

Newt Gingrich

Nancy Pelosi

PhRMA

Families USA

America’s Health Insurance Plans

AARP

Harry Reid

Mitch McConnell

and Fox News

have in common?

They are all freaked out by single payer.

They have all bought the corporate line:

The market has a central place in health insurance.

In contrast, the majority of doctors.

The majority of nurses.

And the majority of the American people are not freaked out by single payer.

To the contrary.

They favor single payer.

They all agree — the market has no place in health insurance.

Single payer would eliminate the 1,300 private payers (insurance companies).

And replace them with one public single payer.

As Dr. Marcia Angell, former editor of the New England Journal of Medicine puts it:

Single payer is not only the best option.

It’s the only option that will control costs and cover everyone.

We’ve been making noise about single payer all year, beginning in May, when we asked Senator Max Baucus (D-Montana)
to invite one single payer advocate to testify at three days of hearings before the Senate Finance Committee.

Senator Baucus refused, ordered us arrested, and charged us with “disruption of Congress.”

We’ve been disrupting ever since — on Capitol Hill.

And at town hall meetings around the country.

And the right wing has taken a page from our playbook.

They too have started disrupting the Democrats.

Not because the Democrats are in bed with the insurance and pharmaceutical corporations (which they are.)

But because they believe that Obamacare is back door single payer (which it surely isn’t — if it were, why would the insurance industry and pharmaceutical industry be supporting it?)

The right wing has garnered more attention because they have bigger institutional megaphones — Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and the mainstream media.

Today, Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer, in an article in USA Today, called the right wing protests “un-American.”

They are not “un-American” any more than we are “un-American.”

The right wing is right to seek to defeat Obamacare — with non violent civil disobendience, if necessary.

They are seeking to defeat Obamacare for their own right wing reasons (primarily because they fear creeping socialism.)

We seek to defeat Obamacare because it’s a bailout of the insurance and pharmaceutical industries.

And it won’t deliver universal health care to the American people.

Time to scrap Obamacare.

And start from scratch.

Russell Mokhiber is editor of the Washington, D.C.-based Corporate Crime Reporter. He is also founder of singlepayeraction.org.

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The Health Care "Debate" is a microcosm . . .
Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Aug 10, 2009 8:55 AM   
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The health care debate is a microcosm of the nation and its political discourse, an object lesson in the reason for our steepening decline as a nation. The one insurmountable problem facing anyone who wants to know the truth (or participate in a republic) is the absolute, ideological determination of both sides - in this nation, there can be only two sides (to show you how insane the system is) - to lie.

The past - presidential elections, the "bailout," and more, for instance - has shown that no one in the nation's media can be trusted to tell the truth. Our representatives, all beholden to corporations who have massive interests, doubly (triply, or you pick a number) can't be trusted, either.

More, 99 percent of those bellowing their "issues" haven't read the legistlation in question, know damned near nothing about insurance - much less health care insurance - and are totally benighted where the origin (who actually wrote the legislation being discussed?) of H.R. 3200 is concerned.

The zoo is being run from the monkey cage isn't even being run by the monkeys; and no one really knows which of the animals in the zoo IS running it.

It happens that I am wading my way through the legislation now, word by word. If anyone wants to know what it actually says and means (in the light of history and otherwise), that from a guy who couldn't care less one way or another - I take care of my own health - about the "issue," I'll post here once I'm through reading

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Americans have been screaming &
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Aug 10, 2009 10:10 AM   
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screaming & screaming

about superiority & the contempt they have for anyone else

directly into the faces of the REST of the World for decades.

Don't like it?

Welcome to the Club!

We've been waiting for polite, considerate & humble behaviour from Americans for about a Century now!

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The Health Insurance Industries already won before the town hall disruptions came up.
Posted by: CarlaWaters on Aug 10, 2009 10:14 AM   
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This one is just to hide the real culprits. Congress and the White House are the ones responsible for allowing the Health Insurance industries to write up their legislation. The poor conservatives doing the heckling are paid to be pawns and they don't control anything. If hastily passing legislation even if it is written by and designed to benefit health insurance industries is what progressives want, they will be the ones to own the failure. You break it. You own it.

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A Militia of white people...
Posted by: needlefoot on Aug 10, 2009 10:17 AM   
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"...a militia of white people armed with a grudge against those who brought forth the social changes of the '60s."

I find myself hoping they all have ulcers.

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'THE RIGHTEOUS' by Martin Gilbert - Recommended Reading
Posted by: foreverhope on Aug 10, 2009 12:02 PM   
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The unsung heros of the Holocaust

Having chronicled the horrors of Nazi-donminated Europe in major works on the Holocaust and the Second World War, the distinguished historian Sir Martin Gilbert turns his attention to the subject of altruism in that period. In this extraordnary volume, Gilbert re-creates the stories of hundreds of non-Jews who, during the Holocaust, risked their lives to help save Jews from deportation and death.

Drawing on twenty-five years of original research, Gilbert takes us through Germany and every occupied country from Norway to Greece, from The Atlantic to the Baltic, where the Righteous, by their lifesaving actions, challenged Nazi barbarism.

The Greek Orthodox Princess Alice, who hid Jewish families in her Athens home; a Polish woman, The Angel of Lvov," who worked closely with the Roman Catholic Church officials to obtain false certificates of baptism for those in imminent danger; and Albanian Muslims, who disguised as Jews as their own brethern in order for them to be saved, are just a few of the Righteous whom we encounter within these pages. Others were priests and nuns, teachers and diplomats, colleagues and neighbors: Above all, "ordinary" men and women, decent human beings.

According to Jewish tradition, "Whoever saves one life; it is as if he saved the entire world." The Righteous of Martin Gilbert's book certainly upheld that ideal, as they inspire us with their righteous acts to this day.

Martin Gilbert, the Churchill biographer, is the author of eight books on Holocaust themes, a subject on which he has been writing for forty years.

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I find it astounding that even the idiots aren't smart enough to know we all need
Posted by: avidAmerican on Aug 10, 2009 12:08 PM   
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Health Insurance. Those same idiots use the ERs and expect the taxpayers to pay the tab for them because they have a cold or a mole; when they could go to a doctor for a lot less money. That proves they are not interested in saving money or true conservatives. They should rather have Health Insurance (it also has a provision for mental health). But they just aren't bright enough to "get it". They will no longer be getting that ER care, so they better go for the Health Care, priced according to a person's income. We, the taxpayers are tired of giving them a free trip to the ER, and running up a tab of thousands of dollars, while we pay for our own doctor visits. Better get on the boat, dummies, no health coverage, no care. Better bank the money you are getting from the devil Insurance Companies and their cohorts, you just may need it to pay your medical expenses out of your own pocket, instead of ours.

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Adele Stan is Making Sense
Posted by: Lilly on Aug 10, 2009 12:39 PM   
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This article is a brilliant explication of Corporate America's manipulation of [a segment of] the American people. And, as a very committed Democrat, I am distressed that Obama continues to fight by Marquess of Queensbury Rules while his opponents keep kicking him in the balls.

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Healthcare: tipping-point between authoritiarian/egalitarian debate?
Posted by: jlowelld on Aug 10, 2009 12:44 PM   
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From the perspective of human development/survival, healthcare maybe a relatively minor issue--especially when compared to the discovery of synthetic nitrogen-fixing and hybridization of plants, which have lead to the phenomenal increase in population over the last century (for better or worse...). However, as an issue that tests the model of 'power structure' based on management by the few, over the interests of the many, the impact of the debate may be critical to survival of the human species. If 'we' continue supporting governance by growth-based economics (corporatism), rather then a sustainable model, then the writing-is-on-the-wall. However, if this debate results in a socially-responsible, humanistic, health care system, it will mark the first step towards democratic control of governance since the 1960's—and maybe a harbinger of a change in the power structure--changes that may allow for at least a remnant of human population to survive.

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Health Care Hijacked!
Posted by: bh on Aug 10, 2009 2:07 PM   
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I can't believe how Obama has let Health Care Reform slip away. It really seems all but lost at this point. Big Corporations win again. What's new? I'm going to collect Medicare next year and let the next generation of progressive's figure it out. I guess it's my way of saying "I give up". BLH

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TREASON is a Punishable Offense
Posted by: ThomasG on Aug 10, 2009 2:22 PM   
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Objective Political Discourse as OPPOSED to Subjective Political Discourse ---- What Politicians Should be doing:

OBJECTIVITY: n. the state or quality of being objective; intentness on objects external to the mind; external reality.

OBJECTIVE: n. 1. something aimed at; 2. something real and observable.

OBJECTIFY: v.t. 1. to make objective; externalize.

OBJECT: n. 1. something that can be seen or touched; thing; fact.

as opposed to:

What the Conservative Right-Wing EXTREME Republicans, Blue Dogs and New Democrat (DLC) Politicians have been doing for the last Forty Years that continually gets worse:

SUBJECTIVITY: n. 1. subjective quality or state; existence in the mind only; absorption in one's own mental states or processes; tendency to view things through the medium of one's own individuality.

SUBJECTIVE: adj. 1. existing in the mind; belonging to the person's thinking rather than to the object thought of: Ideas and opinions are subjective; facts are objective.

SUBJECTIFY: v.t. 1. to make subjective; identify with the subject.

SUBJECT: n. 1. something thought about, discussed, investigated, etc.

ORGANIZED ASSERTIVE SUBJECTIVE DEHUMANIZING SOPHIST POLITICAL PROPAGANDA MUST BE STOPPED

While there is still time law and order must be legislated and enforced to regulate the use of ORGANIZED ASSERTIVE SUBJECTIVE DEHUMANIZING POLITICAL SOPHIST PROPAGANDA; this is sophistry and propaganda that is harmful to National Security; this was done to the Weimar Republic in Germany and we all know what happened there; if we in the United States do not want the same thing to happen here, it is time to act and prohibit the assertive use of ORGANIZED SUBJECTIVE DEHUMANIZING POLITICAL SOPHISTRY and ORGANIZED SUBJECTIVE DEHUMANIZING POLITICAL PROPAGANDA, as a means to exercise POWER and CONTROL by the few to oppress and tyrannize the many, by making ORGANIZED SUBJECTIVE DEHUMANIZING POLITICAL SOPHISTRY and ORGANIZED SUBJECTIVE DEHUMANIZING POLITICAL PROPAGANDA a crime of conspiracy against the National Security of the United States.

I am in no way suggesting an impingement on the free speech of individual citizens. What I am saying is that when organizations use ASSERTIVE ORGANIZED SUBJECTIVE DEHUMANIZING POLITICAL SOPHISTRY and ASSERTIVE ORGANIZED SUBJECTIVE DEHUMANIZING POLITICAL PROPAGANDA that rises to the level of a clear, present and imminent danger to the security of the United States as a nation, this type of behavior must be criminalized and punished as a treasonable offense to the National Security of the United States.

TREASON: The offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance; or of betraying the state into the hands of a foreign power.

This thread provides evidence of treasonable offenses by a vast network of organizations who are through overt action trying to overthrow the government of the United States.

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Why are people who cheer for Obama's rightwing policies given a "5" whereas
Posted by: Lex Thomas on Aug 10, 2009 2:25 PM   
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others who know that it's a fraud are given a "1" ??

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micko
Posted by: micko on Aug 10, 2009 2:42 PM   
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Whatever happened to arrests for disturbing the peace? How come peace advocates are arrested for just being on the sidewalk at the wrong time but these paid-fors an dupes can wreak havoc at will? Ever since the Right made it okay to corral and pen protesters, they've been feeling high on the hog. And we have a president who allows all of the Bush excesses to continue and who refrains from interfering with US capitalists' role in the overthrow of Honduras' government. We are so f........d.

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Youve got to be kidding me
Posted by: KDelphi5950 on Aug 10, 2009 2:45 PM   
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If Obama and the Dems would give progressives something to stand up for (NOT HR 3200~!), we would be there.

The Dems brought this on themselves and we will all pay the price. I only hate the Dems a LITTLE less thatn the GOP.

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A challenge for all you "single payer only" purests
Posted by: sausage on Aug 10, 2009 2:50 PM   
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As far as I'm concerned all you "single payer health care only" purests are wasting yer time with yer "I want single payer or I'll hold my breath until I turn blue!" or "Obama's sold out to the insurance companies!!!!" crap.

Except for a few libertarian trolls I think most Alternet.org readers would like a single payer health care system. We don't need convincing! But some few of us are realists and, due to the political realities partially built into our constitutional representative democracy and lobbyist influenced corruption, single payer ain't in the cards at this time.

The health care insurance companies are paying good money to Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh and to Astroturf groups to get the pinhead wing nuts' tits all in an uproar? All because the "Obamacare" you purests hate will put some rules and regulations on the insurance industry's sorry ass.

So I tell ya what, why don't all you "single payer purests" grow a pair and walk into yer neighborhood redneck wateringhole buy a round for the house and start preachin' the gospel of a British or Canadian single payer, socialized health care system to the pinheaded drunken fucks glued to FauxNews on the TeeVee.

That'd go a lot more for advancing yer agenda for single payer health care than arguing with the adults at Alternet.org.

That is if any of ya have the balls.

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Follow the money or follow the fear??
Posted by: troubleinmind254 on Aug 10, 2009 2:57 PM   
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If these Pro Haters have not been bought, then there worse because they actually cant think for themselves and are delusional.

Crack dealers and Prostitutes know what business there in. The ultra nationalist zombies or the true believers are the one's that turn AstroTurf into Scorched Earth.

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How 72% Can Lose
Posted by: folkie on Aug 10, 2009 3:03 PM   
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The elections are rigged.

The votes are counted by privately-owned central tabulators.

All they have to do is run ads and email campaigns and instigate riots, to make it seem plausible that 28% of the public could influence an election.

There are three reasons that Obama was allowed to "win."

One was because Republican approval numbers had fallen so low that there was no way to make a Repblican win appear plausible, no matter what they did.

The second was because Obama's voting record was virtually identical to McCains and he got more corporate campaign donations than McCain did, so the Republican agenda would be able to continue with a Democratic spokesperson, just as it was supported and protected by the Democratic leadership throughout the Bush administration. Obama wasn't going to end the wars (he hasn't), was going to increase the defense budget (he has), had the exact same position as McCain on bailouts (they were both in favor of bailouts), was willing to protect both Republican and Democratic war criminals by renouncing the Nuremberg Principles and adopting the Eichmann defense of just following orders (he's giving the orders, so why wouldn't he?), etc.

The third reason was that a "Democratic win" would help restore the faith of voters in faith-based elections with secret vote counts, in which no self-respecting human being should stoop to vote. Elections where even if the central tabulators fail and the public will is registered, it can be overturned by the Electoral College, Congress, or the Supreme Court. Voters in America do NOT have the final say.

Democrats hoped that Obama would be the lesser evil and might throw liberals and progressives a bone. He might. And it might get him JFKed if he does.

Even in '08, millions of votes "disappeared" making the minority appear larger than it is.

What we need is systemic change. We need to refuse to vote in rigged elections for candidates we cannot hold responsible once they're elected.

We ARE the overwhelming majority. Support of single-payer health care may be only 72%, but opposition to the bailouts was more than 90%.

Repeat this mantra over and over to yourself as many times as it takes:

I am competent to manage my own finances.

I do not need to nominate and elect guardians to manage my finances for me.

I have the right to directly decide how my money is spent, and I do not have to delegate that power to people who have historically abused it.

I will no longer vote for parties and candidates. When I am allowed to vote directly on taxes, budgets, and laws, in honest, open elections with full transparency and public oversight, I will vote.

I am a competent adult, of sound mind, and capable of self-government.

We are the overwhelming majority.

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Frustrating and infuriating
Posted by: willymack on Aug 10, 2009 3:11 PM   
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At the top are greedy psychopaths to whom human lives are nothing more or less than assets to be used or discarded as deemed necessary.
Next, there are two tiers of stooges, composed of elected officials whose job is to protect us from the evils of the greedy psychopaths, but who have betrayed us and disgraced our nation by taking bribes, over and over again, and the half-wits, who among other things shoot off their big, fat, stupid, ignorant mouths at public gatherings, either for money, or because they think they're making a valid statement. These pathetic fools have things ass backwards, as usual, and wouldn't recognize the truth if it bit them on the ass.
As Dennis Miller once said:"They're so stupid they don't know they're stupid". If any of these numbskulls had to take the same test for US citizenship immigrants do, they'd probably get a ZERO.
As I said, it's frustrating and infuriating.

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Get off the Internet!
Posted by: Jill 2 on Aug 10, 2009 3:32 PM   
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Liberals and Progressives have tacitly condoned and accepted fascism as just another aspect of political diversity in Liberal Democracy.These people are bottom feeding scum and should be treated accordingly, with the same methods they now monopolize. Perhaps liberals and progressives should consider organizing some direct action counter insurgency in their communities against the fascist rabble. Here is an example of what happens in England when fascists gather: See the following website
http://leninology.blogspot.com (8/10/08)

All the alarmist, melodramatic hand wringing angst in the blogosphere is a testimony to the flaccidity and failure of liberal ideology. Of course, in England the anti-fascists are not faced with an armed to the teeth, psychopathically violent opponent; nor are they faced with a pro fascist quasi military police apparatus, which is favorably disposed toward the fascists. In the UK, the fascism is seemingly fueled, if not exclusively, by racism. In any event, direct action. community anti-fascist organizing is mandated by the virulency and threat of the right. Beyond that immediacy, American progressives and liberals have to ideologically move beyond the dead horse of Liberal Democracy as a political system. Fascism will continue to flourish in America as long as it knows there will be no price to pay. Intimidation works two ways, or at least it should, –(Jill Bains)

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» RE: Get off the Internet! Posted by: Jill 2
» It's already happening. Posted by: Steven Wanzell

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Sharing The Oxygen.
Posted by: melpol on Aug 10, 2009 3:55 PM   
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Nasty rumors are floating around the Internet claiming access to oxygen tents will be denied to seniors that are afflicted with Pneumonia or Lung Cancer. It might be true that the young who have a better chance of survival will be chosen to be first in line for oxygen. In wartime those who had the best chance of survival had all the doctors attention. It would be ideal if there were an unlimited supply of oxygen tents but that would be impossible under our governments limited budget.

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» RE: Sharing The Oxygen. Posted by: reelectnoone
» RE: Sharing The Oxygen. Posted by: Lilly
» RE: Sharing The Oxygen. Posted by: owleyes
» Cut off the oxygen Posted by: deepseas

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Incommunicado
Posted by: reelectnoone on Aug 10, 2009 4:14 PM   
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Has anyone else noticed that these right wing anti-health care sites have no way to contact them other than to sign petitions? They have no contact form, no blogs or blogs that no one can post responses too.

They pretend to speak for the people yet go out of their way to deny any people to speak their mind on their sites.

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The Beginning of the End.........?
Posted by: RickW on Aug 10, 2009 4:33 PM   
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html
For a decade, Russian academic Igor Panarin has been predicting the U.S. will fall apart in 2010. For most of that time, he admits, few took his argument -- that an economic and moral collapse will trigger a civil war and the eventual breakup of the U.S. -- very seriously. Now he's found an eager audience: Russian state media.

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» CRYSTAL BALLS Posted by: staicnoise
» If you think it will end... Posted by: deepseas

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WHAAAAAAAA
Posted by: lanerdion on Aug 10, 2009 4:48 PM   
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POOP

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liam
Posted by: liam99 on Aug 10, 2009 5:33 PM   
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It's a sign of how sick these righties are that they would try to dress a black president up as a white racist nazi scum. Do they think good Americans are so stupid that we don't realise that adolf hitler and the nazis are their heroes? These anti s love nazilore, and everything it stands for. We will do what we have to, whatever it takes to stop them.

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Free speech is now "violence"
Posted by: owlsliveintrees on Aug 10, 2009 5:37 PM   
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and rallies are now "mobs." Welcome to NewSpeak 2009. Brought to you by Alternet.

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» Pu-lease! Posted by: Steven Wanzell

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John Cornyn"No One Has Read the Bill" "Its going to cost retirees Billions"
Posted by: marletat on Aug 10, 2009 5:44 PM   
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So which is the lie??? We know who the liar IS!!
Is Fox News enjoying looking SO STUPID?? Anything for the cause. Rupert Murdock.

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P.S. my last here:
Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Aug 10, 2009 5:49 PM   
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Having read three titles of H.R. 3200, the propose law everyone supposedly pro and con is fulminating about, I can report as I promised, not needing to reach further (I'm the guy once called by a Rocky Mountain News Reporter, "the guerrilla lawyer").

This, my having had the experience I have had having to do with the U.S. Tax Code, is all very familiar, and I know that it will be another example of "law" like the U.S. Internal Revenue Code; i.e., it will be incomprehensible, totally incapable of interpretation or understanding by anyone. It will therefore depend for implementation upon a federal czar, someone empowered by the might of government by corporation to say what it says.

In other words, it will be both create a dictatorship and be (obviously - that why the constitution prohibits "law" like this) unconstitutional.

As I said, H.R. 3200 and the "debate" surrounding it are a microcosm of a nation in its death throes. You didn't care enough to keep your republic, so you have lost it.

Rots of Ruck!

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The Republican Party
Posted by: bettyn on Aug 10, 2009 6:11 PM   
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has now become the refuge of those who would destroy our country, our Constitution, and our freedoms. It is a rats' nest of sedition. Republicans, as they exist today, are traitors, pure and simple!

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» Hear! Hear! Posted by: Steven Wanzell
» Amen! Posted by: avidAmerican

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ALERT: Has anyone else wondered where these sort of manifestos come from?
Posted by: foreverhope on Aug 10, 2009 6:53 PM   
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Repug thugs are picking shit up on the net. Troll, copy, paste, etc.

SO! Our troll Jen can go to her fav site TownHall.com, grab trash there to easily bring here.

SO! Our Maxie Pad, posing as numerous aliases as we ALL KNOW, and a few clowns like him, hand-cuffed to their puters, with hard on's for hate, can copy paste from there and APPEAR to be thoughtful productive individuals writing their own horseshit.

SO! If someone reads TRUTH on Alternet, DO THE SAME! Copy paste and send send send!

The piece on TREASON! SUCKERS FOR SUCKERS! Our PROGRESSIVE ANTHEM! If a song could be president our first lady would swing her hips, put a microphone to her lips! If a song could be President!

We are organizing! They are going to regret what they are about and will lose lose lose pay pay pay so so so bad in 2012 and 2016!

Good thing they didn't let any grass grow under our feet! We are well prepared! And they are so so bloody STUPID!

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Whatever comes out of the final bill, I just hope Obama has a good bill to sign.
Posted by: Stanley1979 on Aug 10, 2009 6:55 PM   
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I'm tired of people complaining about Obama doing bad. If you want him to fail, then be prepared for worse from the Republicans. I respect Ralph Nader and love his ideas but he has no place in politics. He wasn't cut out for politics.

I hope Congress can hurry up with the bill. The longer it's prolonged, the worse it could get. I don't want to see a bill that's worse than the current system.

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~ Anne Frank ~
Posted by: foreverhope on Aug 10, 2009 7:01 PM   
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"How wonderful it is that nobody need wait a single moment before starting to improve the world."

~ Anne Frank ~

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Not just happening at public officeholder forums
Posted by: truthteller on Aug 10, 2009 7:45 PM   
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I just came from a Center for Inquiry (organization for Atheists and Agnostics) meeting at a local library in Ohio. Now, NO Ohio members of Congress or US Senate are holding public meetings during the August recess. I guess the anti-health reform crazies are looking for any outlet to spew their ignorance.

The topic for the presentation tonight was healthcare by an advocate for single-payer. The room was packed, with a significant number of people who obviously were not sympathetic to the orientation of the organization (one "gentleman" there had on a hat that said "God Bless America" - y'know, I wouldn't go into a local Baptist Church service with anything Atheist on). I saw another person there with literature on how to disrupt a discussion of healthcare from Dick Armey's FreedomWorks lobbying organization.

They tried their tactics of disruption right from the start, but the moderator of the group was onto them and managed to keep a lid on the discussion, stay on track and allow the presentation to be completed.

So, it's not just formal presentations by elected officials, but semi-private, non-profit organization meetings dealing with health care that are being targeted by these right-wing nut jobs. BEWARE.

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Thank you, AlterNet
Posted by: Shey on Aug 10, 2009 8:08 PM   
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This is one of the best articles you've posted, maybe ever.

I haven't had time to read all the comments, but from what I have read, it's brought the right-wingnut infiltrators out of the woodwork.

Which kinda illustrates one of the points in the article. ;)

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Hope The health care plan
Posted by: lisafrequency on Aug 10, 2009 8:57 PM   
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will fund viagra.....fill in the blank

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Progressive? VS. Libertarian?...Libertarian
Posted by: Revolutionary2 on Aug 10, 2009 11:20 PM   
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True progressives would notice fascism when it was biting at their heels. It takes a libertarian to be a political atheist and trace the true cause of illness.

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In his students own words:
Posted by: foreverhope on Aug 10, 2009 11:54 PM   
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"Mind you, he was running for the State Senate at the same time. Honestly, I had no idea. Law school is something of a cocoon, and he never brought his outside life into the classroom."

"Much in the Chicago tradition, he wanted all voices to be heard in the classroom, and when there a viewpoint that wasn’t being expressed or students were too complacent in their liberal views, he’d push the contrary view himself. These classes were conversations."

"And the conversations extended outside the classroom. I spent plenty of time in Prof. Obama’s office, talking to him about the paper I was working on. Just the two of us, one on one, with him always provoking me to think deeper, work harder ...

... and keep it real."

"Professor Barack Obama reminded me that whatever my beliefs were, I’d have to find a way to implement them in the real world if I wanted to make change happen. Good lesson. Great professor."

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/20/12119/122

There are some who choose to shoot down an extraordinary man like Barack Obama with small thinking and petty attacks. If they think their absurd and low slams are going to deter or distract either Obama or the supporters behind him, then they are gravely mistaken.

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"The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew and act anew.

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Bring it on, Rethugs!
Posted by: Steven Wanzell on Aug 11, 2009 12:57 AM   
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The more you rant, rave, lie and riot, the more your essence is revealed.

And reviled.

The mounting desperation of your corporate masters will undo them, and to some degree already has. Prepare to lose again.

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