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How the Ultra-Rich Are Trying to Kill Health Reform

The wealthiest 1-percent have deployed an army to destroy an initiative that would tax the super rich to help pay for health care.
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Here's a truism: The wealthiest 1 percent have never had it so good. 

According to government figures, 1-percenters' share of America's total income is the highest it's been since 1929, and their tax rates are the lowest they've faced in two decades. Through bonuses, many 1-percenters will profit from the $23 trillion in bailout largesse the Treasury Department now says could be headed to financial firms. And, most of them benefit from IRS decisions to reduce millionaire audits and collect zero taxes from the majority of major corporations.

But what really makes the ultra-wealthy so fortunate, what truly separates this moment from a run-of-the-mill Gilded Age, is the unprecedented protection the 1-percenters have bought for themselves on the most pressing issues.

To review: With 22,000 Americans dying each year because they lack health insurance, Congress is considering universal health care legislation financed by a surcharge on income above $280,000 -- that is, a levy almost exclusively on 1-percenters. This surtax would graze just 5 percent of small businesses and would recoup only part of the $700 billion the 1-percenters received from the Bush tax cuts. In fact, it is so miniscule, those making $1 million annually would pay just $9,000 more in taxes every year -- or nine-tenths of 1 percent of their 12-month haul.

Nonetheless, the 1-percenters have deployed an army to destroy the initiative before it makes progress.

The foot soldiers are the Land Rover Liberals. These Democratic lawmakers secure their lefty labels by wearing pink-ribbon lapel pins and supporting good causes like abortion rights. However, being affluent and/or from affluent districts, they routinely drive their luxury cars over middle-class economic interests. Hence, this week's letter from Boulder, Colorado's dot-com tycoon Rep. Jared Polis, D, and other Land Rover Liberals calling for the surtax's death.

Echoing that demand are the Corrupt Cowboys -- those like Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mt., who come from the heartland's culturally conservative and economically impoverished locales. These cavalrymen in both parties quietly build insurmountable campaign war chests as the biggest corporate fundraisers in Congress. At the same time, they publicly preen as jes' folks, make twangy references to "voters back home," and now promise to kill the health care surtax because they say that's what their communities want. Cash payoffs made, re-elections purchased, the absurd story somehow goes that because blue-collar constituents in Flyover America like guns and love Jesus, they must also reflexively adore politicians who defend 1-percenters' bounty.

That fantastical fairly tale, of course, couldn't exist without the Millionaire Media -- the elite journalists and opinionmongers who represent corporate media conglomerates and/or are themselves extremely wealthy. Ignoring all the data about inequality, they legitimize the assertions of the 1-percenters' first two battalions, while actually claiming America's fat cats are unfairly persecuted.

For example, Washington Post editors deride surtax proponents for allegedly believing "the rich alone can fund government." Likewise, Wall Street Journal correspondent Jonathan Weisman wonders why the surtax "soak(s) the rich" by unduly "lumping all of the problems of the finances of the United States on 1 percent of (its) households?" And most brazenly, NBC's Meredith Vieira asks President Obama why the surtax is intent on "punishing the rich?"

For his part, Obama has responded with characteristic coolness -- and a powerful counter-strike. "No, it's not punishing the rich," he said. "If I can afford to do a little bit more so that a whole bunch of families out there have a little more security, when I already have security, that's part of being a community."

If any volley can thwart this latest attack of the 1-percenters, it is that simple idea.


David Sirota is a best-selling author whose newest book, "The Uprising," was just released this month. He is a fellow at the Campaign for America's Future and a board member of the Progressive States Network -- both nonpartisan organizations. His blog is at www.credoaction.com/sirota.
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Past Time to Go Back Pre-Reagan Tax Rates ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Jul 25, 2009 12:43 AM   
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Of course the ultra rich are trying to kill health care reform. Anything that threatens their Reagan Tax Cuts must be strangled in the crib. Using even a small percentage of their tax cuts is a foot in the door they can't allow.

The top 1% received a 30% or better income tax cut, scores of tax loopholes and cuts on their capital gains, dividend and estate taxes that have saved them literally trillions of dollars.

The rest of us haven't been so lucky. Our taxes have increased because state and local government has had to increase taxes because of the unfunded mandates that Congress has passed to the states and local governments, usually in the form of regressive taxes, like sales taxes and use fees ... and less funding for education, because the top 1% send their children to private schools or live in very well to do areas that have fewer children and very expensive houses.

Well, health care funding to them is a foot in the door of all their privilege. They actually have reporters asking why they should be penalized for helping all Americans get decent health care ... PENALIZED ! ! !. To them their Reagan Tax Cuts aren't a public policy decision but a God Given Right for the fabulously well to do!

What we do know is that since the Reagan Tax Cuts the wealthy have gotten even wealthier, the biggest wealth gap since 1928, while the rest of America has gotten poorer and the government is mired in debt!

Make no mistake ... the wealthy under the guise of their think tanks, institutions and media are going to fight health care funding tooth and nail whatever the cost ...

Here is a Great Article on the wealthy, their institutions and tax rates ...

The Great Tax Con Job

" Novelist Larry Beinhart was the first to bring this to my attention. He looked over the history of tax cuts and economic bubbles, and found a clear relationship between the two. High top marginal tax rates (generally well above 60%) on rich people actually stabilize the economy, prevent economic bubbles from forming, prevent economic crashes, and lead to steady and sustained economic growth (and steady and sustained wage growth for working people).

On the other hand, when top marginal rates drop below 50 percent, the opposite happens. As Beinhart noted in a November 17, 2008 post on the Huffington Post, the massive Republican tax cuts of the 1920s (from 73% to 25%) led directly to the Roaring '20s stock market bubble, temporary boom, and then the crash and Republican Great Depression of 1929.

Rates on the very rich went back up into the 70-90% range from the 1930s to the 1980s. As a result, the economy grew steadily; for the first time in the history of our nation we went 50 years without a crash or major bank failure; and working people's wages increased enough to produce the strongest middle class this nation has ever seen.

Then came Reaganomics.

Reagan cut top marginal rates on millionaires and billionaires from 74% down to 38% and there was an immediate surge in the markets - followed by the worst crash since the Great Depression and the failure of virtually the entire nation's savings and loan banking system."

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The stakes couldn't be clearer or higher ... will trillions be creamed off the top of the economy to make the wealthy even wealthier or will they be taxed to stabilize the economy and fund programs that all Americans need, starting with health care.

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Taxing the rich
Posted by: Perry Logan on Jul 25, 2009 2:48 AM   
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"What we do know is that since the Reagan Tax Cuts the wealthy have gotten even wealthier, the biggest wealth gap since 1928, while the rest of America has gotten poorer and the government is mired in debt!"

True, except for the Clinton years.

Clinton raised taxes on the rich, leading to the longest sustained economic expansion in U.S. history, higher income at all levels, and a lower poverty rate. He was even paying off the deficit. People forget this.

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» Clinton did no such thing Posted by: leafsong1

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It's All Cyclical
Posted by: drricklippin on Jul 25, 2009 3:38 AM   
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It is time to rebalance. The rich have had their "good run"

The greatest threat to the US is not terrorism. It is the erosion of our middle class in an era where anyone with a computer can easily ascertain the obscene assets of the rich.

The rich should know that if the people get angry enough there will be no place to hide For their own survival they should yield. But their greed gets in the way of rational thought.

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa

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It’s The Allowing, Stupid.
Posted by: The Old Hippie on Jul 25, 2009 4:00 AM   
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If you are confused, or you simply do not know what “the allowing” is all about...

Then maybe this link will help?
 

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» Great essay! Posted by: cdlepthien

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The rich got bailed out and don't need healthcare reform.
Posted by: timenotonmyside on Jul 25, 2009 4:26 AM   
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Anyone remember when Wall Street started melting down? Anyone remember how the entire Washington Establishment said we had to immediately hand about $12 trillion over to the financial industry no questions asked - and how that same Washington Establishment attacked progressives for trying to slow things down just a wee bit?
Today, many of those Washington Establishment voices are precisely the same people who now insist we cannot "rush" a $1 trillion health care reform package through Congress. After pushing a $12 trillion no-strings-attached handout to Wall Street, they actually insist that they don't want to "rush" health care because of it's price tag.
And so, I'm wondering - has anyone bothered to ask those same bailout backers why they said we had to rush $12 trillion out to Wall Street, but we shouldn't "rush" health care reform for the 45 million Americans who don't have health insurance, and the 22,000 who die every year because of that reality?
I mean, even if you subscribe to the empirically absurd notion that debating health care for 64 years is a "rush," this is a pretty simple line of questioning: How was handing $12 trillion to Wall Street over the course of 10 days of legislative debate the right kind of thing to rush, but spending $1 trillion on universal health care after a 64-year debate the wrong kind of thing to "rush?"

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CONSUMER ACTION
Posted by: CTC123 on Jul 25, 2009 5:06 AM   
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Consider the Connection to:
Big Money Makers $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Collect money from the CONSUMERS (U & I)
U & I recieve trick'le.down economics.
U & I need to take ACTION!!!

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The rich have been taking all the money
Posted by: cberkland on Jul 25, 2009 5:18 AM   
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The super rich have been grabbing all of the wealth from productivity gains made the past 30 years for themselves. It has resulted in a huge transfer of wealth from the bottom 99% to the top 1%. So what are they doing now? Claiming that the bottom 99% is trying to redistribute wealth downward for things like health through their propagandists like Faux News and Rush Limpdick! Wow. That takes some brass balls and an incredible amount of greed and selfishness.

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What few are getting...
Posted by: cheryljohns on Jul 25, 2009 5:52 AM   
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is that there exists a group of people that cannot feel rich enough unless there is the stark contrast of a large number of people suffering without the basic necessities of life. It is not enough that they have an abundance of whatever - they have to know that there are millions going without. That lobster dinner tastes so much better to them when they know that there are hungry people, not just people who cannot afford lobster. It took me a long time and quite a few eye-opening careless remarks from these greedy people for me to grasp it. When you don't think like they do, it's difficult to imagine people that evil - yes, evil.

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» RE: What few are getting... Posted by: cberkland
» Not such a fantasy anymore Posted by: cheryljohns
» RE: Not such a fantasy anymore Posted by: cberkland

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tom frazee
Posted by: tomfrazee on Jul 25, 2009 6:31 AM   
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It's an act of cruelty to let the poor remain sick or die, while the terms are being worked out. Forget the taxes, everyone work 3% pro bono, for life. That would come to 5 patients a month getting care for free from Doctors. Lawyers and Doctors are already doing it, as part of their Scholastic Degree. Everyone, in every walk of life, do 3%. Hell, we waste probably 20%, anyway, and think how good we'ld feel, if we took care of our own citizens, without borrowing trillions from China. Now, that's community.

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The Republican elite stoled the American Dream.
Posted by: forestnfama on Jul 25, 2009 6:35 AM   
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Yes the privilege elite are enjoying their riches for the moment but make no mistake the downtrodden will someday rise up and revolt. Either by fair elections or violent revolution. If they were smart (the elite) they would start sharing the wealth with the less fortunate. Few Americans know the significants of July 14, Dia de Bastille. Bastille Day! A healthy America is one where all classes have a decent shot at the American Dream. The rich and Republican party has stolen this dream for themselves.

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» Won't work here in America Posted by: cheryljohns

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what happens if the welthy just move away
Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars on Jul 25, 2009 6:39 AM   
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really dose anyone think about this or are we going to build a wall around America like Berlin?

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If the wealthy move away - that might be the best thing to happen to America
Posted by: cheryljohns on Jul 25, 2009 6:45 AM   
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We would be able to start over again as a country. New businesses, a new economy. Cut off the money flowing to them and use it to re-build the country.

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This reminds me of Buchanan
Posted by: Parcival01 on Jul 25, 2009 6:59 AM   
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Did anyone see the "debate" between Pat Buchanan and Rachel Maddow last week? Buchanan argued against Affirmative Action based on, almost in these words, "we white males are the victims."

Look at the words particularly of the Wall Street guy. It's the same: Oh, that po' po, 1 percent. Must they pay for everything? The poor victims.

What's sad is, if you look at related pages on places like YouTube, there are many who can't afford to eat who're suggesting--INSISTING--that health care reform as proposed is not much short of a commie plot.

Our stuggle: to get people--and I'm not talking about that 1 percent--to NOT vote against their own self interest. And that's not going to be easy.

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» Maybe another COMMIE PLOT! Posted by: Parcival01

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The 1%'ers are the very ones
Posted by: Chloe2005 on Jul 25, 2009 7:22 AM   
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making millions by denying health care claims and taking bailout $$$. They give money to Congress to write bills that give them more and more tax breaks. They buy elections. They sit on each others boards and vote themselves more and more bonuses. They protect themselves from this recession/depression they created. Someday they will look out from their ivory towers in gated communities and come to the realization that they are indeed only 1% and the 99% of us are VERY ANGRY!!

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CORPORATE ELITES ARE DESTROYING HEALTH CARE
Posted by: SPEAKTRUTH200 on Jul 25, 2009 7:36 AM   
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THE 1% own the majority of the banks, credit card companies, big pharma and health insurance companies. Miniumum wage just went to $7.25 thats about $15,000 a year. Health insurance for a family of 4 = $13,000...we are supposed to buy food, clothing, transportation, educate our kids on less than $2000....WHEN DOES THE REVOLUTION BEGIN....rush, hannity, savage, oreilly, dobbs and the rest of the lunatic fringers make millions every year, they hate poor people and consider us to be "useless eaters".

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The Muddle Through Economy from investor John Mauldin
Posted by: cori on Jul 25, 2009 8:24 AM   
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The Muddle Through Economy
This is going to be a long, jobless recovery. Hours worked per week are at an all-time low. As noted above, part-time work is very high. Employers, when things actually start to turn around, and they will, will first give current employees more hours and then expand the hours of part-time workers. There will be few new jobs for a long time.

Because our population is growing, between 130-150,000 new jobs are required each month to keep unemployment from rising. Initial and continuing claims suggest we are currently losing at least 300,000 a month.

(As an aside, the media talks about initial unemployment claims falling. That is actually not true. Unemployment claims are in fact quite high and rising, but the seasonal adjustments make them look smaller. Normally, this would not be a big deal. But the summer seasonal adjustment assumes a normal automobile manufacturing market, with layoffs in July. The layoffs came much earlier this year, distorting seasonal adjustments.)

Higher and persistent unemployment, lower incomes and wages, higher savings rates, capacity utilization at 50-year lows and still falling, rising home foreclosures, a deleveraging financial system, etc. are not the stuff of "V-shaped" recoveries. Throw in that Moody's estimates that US banks will have to write off $400 billion in 2010, and it's a very weak recovery indeed that shapes up for next year.

It's the return of The Muddle Through Economy*, which is better than what we have had, to be sure. But that asterisk is there for a reason. Congress and the Obama administration are seemingly hell bent on a massive tax increase. If that happens, it will push a fragile recovery back into recession. It will look like the twin recessions of 1980-82.

It will be a difficult investing environment, to say the least. If buy-and-hold is not your favorite style, there are alternatives. Quick commercial: my friends at CMG have a platform of alternative managers that can be tailored to your specific needs. These are traders who have weathered the storms of this last decade. These are individually managed accounts, with daily liquidity. You really owe it to yourself to see the managers on their platform. The link to their form is http://www.cmgfunds.net/public/mauldin_questionnaire.asp.

I am encouraged by the fact that the radical health reforms look like they might not pass. The health-care system clearly needs a major overhaul. Let's hope that we get it right.

In a future letter, I am going to talk about taxes. I am concerned that we are going to raise taxes now to very high levels, and not leave any room for the tax increases we are going to desperately need in the middle of the next decade to pay for entitlement programs. That will mean a VAT tax and tax increases on the middle class. Again, not good for the economy.

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Greed Kills
Posted by: thornwolf on Jul 25, 2009 8:44 AM   
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I suppose the rich greed mongers regard themselves as "values" voters. Yeah, they value their own and detest the rest.

Interestingly, tax increases at the top actually work as supply-side stimulus for the larger economy. Ironic, isn't it?

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You Mean 9-hundredths of 1 percent
Posted by: thornwolf on Jul 25, 2009 8:47 AM   
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$9,000 is just .009 percent of $1,000,000.

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» Oops, never mind Posted by: thornwolf

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Eat the Rich
Posted by: leafsong1 on Jul 25, 2009 9:47 AM   
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Transplant their organs into people who actually deserve to live. Grind their bones to make calcium supplements. Turn the rest into dog food.

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Time to Get the Rich off of Welfare
Posted by: Trainer12 on Jul 25, 2009 10:54 AM   
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Tell it like it is, the rich are on welfare. Deferring tax payments on salary or dividends, numbered Swiss Bank accounts and off-shore corporations in Cayman Islands and getting no-bid Federal contracts. Why is it the richer people get the less they want to pay ANY tax at all? Yet they want government bailouts, no bid Federal contracts and expect police, fire, air traffic controllers, and defense of our borders and interests without paying any taxes. The are hypocritical welfare cheaters. You can't have good government without tax money and you can't have something for nothing. I am willing to pay my fair share, why aren't they willing to pay their fair share? If they want to take there money and leave, fine, good riddance. Don't ask the US Military to come rescue you. Greed is not okay.

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End Corporate "Personhood"
Posted by: TJColatrella on Jul 25, 2009 11:46 AM   
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We must put an end to Corporate "personhood", it's legalized bribery...our entire system is corrupted..and we are losing our democracy...!

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It's not just the unfair taxation but the unfair spending that's to blame.
Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Jul 25, 2009 12:17 PM   
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David Sirota may be correct on the 1% wealthiest getting more monetary benefits in the form of obscenely higher tax cuts than they deserve. However, not to sound like a conservative but we need to get our spending in order. Even if we do tax them we also have to know where the money is actually going towards and make sure it's going to the right places instead of the wrong ones. Additionally, we are borrowing from China to pay for the wars and the tax cuts to the already very well to do who don't deserve it.

If we were not borrowing from other nations, genuine fiscal responsibility would be harder to ignore. That would mean reserving tax cuts for anyone making under 200k per year and making sure that the taxes collect were put to constructive purposes such as public transportation, education where it counts, and other domestic and constructive purposes rather than destructive purposes such as wars, spoonfeeding Wall $treet, tax cut and loophole giveaways to the wealthy/corporate elite, etc ... We need to both get our tax code structure seriously repaired AND get our spending priorities and distribution straightened out.

P.S.: I used to get frustrated when people would call me a "Republican" for bringing this part up but I found that if I laugh it out, it's harder to back down from that truth. Come to think of it, I really do miss genuine fiscal conservatism. When I think about it, a country's true happiness is no different than an individual's happiness. At some point, the more one spends beyond a certain limit, the more unhappy they get.

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» Tax cuts cause excess spending Posted by: leafsong1

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So end the wars already!
Posted by: wireup on Jul 25, 2009 3:36 PM   
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Well, if these 1%ers are so worried, seems to me that they should be pushing to end the god-damned wars. Then there would be PLENTY of money to cover health care and no need to tax the parasites!

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And the rich will continue to have it so good
Posted by: talkville on Jul 25, 2009 7:41 PM   
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All this entire exercise of "health care reform" is is simply the process of Private Capital making use of Public funds and resources (including government) to tear out the Domestic Economic Engine of Production and Manufacturing and replace it with the new Economic Engine of Finance and Banking.

Keep an eye on GM ("What's good for GM is good for America"). I feel relatively confident that in a few years it will re-emerge in it's true private form, having in the meantime replaced it's auto-manufacturing center-piece with its Consumer Finance and Real Estate arms moved onto center stage. And it will remain immensely lucrative for its major shareholders who at the moment are off whistling and dissimulating somewhere in their luxurious estates and vacation spots.

What Mussolini called Corporatism, albeit with a detectable Puritan style.

There's good, there's bad and there's ugly in all of this. But about 60 to 70% of the population will lose much more than it gained-- by "consent" of the governed.

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From James K. Galbraith
Posted by: armorypk on Jul 25, 2009 8:54 PM   
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I've posted this quotation many times before, but its relevance and truth never grows old:

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."

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» So true. Posted by: leafsong1

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super rich?
Posted by: quito on Jul 26, 2009 6:44 AM   
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They may have tons of money, but they are poor souls! Empty, lost, weak, failures! Most of them!

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Well, there is.............
Posted by: ava1984 on Jul 26, 2009 1:58 PM   
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a reason 'flyover'states are called the heartland; THE BRAIN IS NOT THERE!

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Proverty............
Posted by: ava1984 on Jul 26, 2009 2:01 PM   
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is a weapon of mass destruction!

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BLUE DOG'S
Posted by: Steve Adair on Jul 26, 2009 7:37 PM   
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We need to put every last penny and every ounce of energy we have into getting rid of every last BLUE DOG Democrat...

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Time to QUIT
Posted by: mapsguy1955 on Jul 27, 2009 4:43 AM   
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Every person in favor of a single payer system should be ready to make the ultimate sacrifice for the good of the all. When the Med-moguls will not listen to reason, it is time to do what they WILL listen to. It is time to drop all of our health insurance coverages, unless you are in the middle of procedures. If we all quit spending money on healthcare and just use the emergency room, we will so overwhelm the system and take ALL of the profit away, they will be forced to capitulate. Then we will fix the future.

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Name them and shame them
Posted by: swooshy on Jul 27, 2009 6:37 AM   
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Time to dig out all the dirt on the "elected" whores here. Post the amounts they get from the "industry". Make sure Granny knows her dear representative is living high on the hog while she decides between medication and food.
Let an army of investigative reporters, constituents, forensic accountants start crawling over these overpaid ceo's and politicians like red ants.
Is Mr. Hypocrite avoiding paying taxes banking in Cayman or Switzerland?? Why do many elected officials leave office with a lot more than they came in with?? Insurance conglomerate outsourcing personal information and work overseas?
How much tax do some of these companies actually PAY?
Set up funds to pay investigative reporters to to the job our regulators and big media won't.

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LadyLiberty101
Posted by: LadyLiberty101 on Jul 28, 2009 2:07 PM   
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I'm certainly not ultra-rich, but the health care reform being considered is completely frightening to me. After the ultra-rich 1% pay in their share, who is going to pay the rest?? The cost will be much greater than the proceeds from 1% of Americans. If it's true that 22,000 Americans die every year because they don't have health insurance, that represents less than 1% of all deaths (according to the CDC). I'm in favor of reforming healthcare to lower that number if possible, but unfortunately there are already working examples of what Congress is asking for in this bill (Canada, Europe) that demonstrate that death rates are likely to increase, not decrease, due to declining quality of care and rationing. These changes won't be apparent immediately, but they are sure to come. Perhaps, if Congress gives us an option that will actually IMPROVE our health care system (which is currently the best in the world), Americans--even the rich 1%--will be more inclined to open up their pocketbooks to fund it.

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BASOQIO
Posted by: itouch backup on Jul 29, 2009 7:52 PM   
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Oh yeah
Posted by: zzdinko on Aug 4, 2009 4:18 PM   
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And rest assured they will succeed! They alweays do!

RT
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Here are some other facts.
Posted by: fboisseau on Aug 5, 2009 11:10 AM   
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First let me say I was against all the bailouts starting with TARP. Those companies should of failed. I also understand how our politicians on both sides has been taken over by the rich, big corporations, unions and other special interest groups. They have used this power to destroy competition and limit our choices. But I also realize that doing that is not a free market system, since free markets are based on choices and the right to fail as well as succeed.
But having said that, please keep in mind the following when talking about how the rich are getting off easy. The percentage of total tax dollars paid by the rich has increase every year since 1987 (except for 1988). In 2007 the total amount of taxes paid by the top 1% exceeded the total taxes paid the bottom 95%. ( see here http://bit.ly/3uAeko )
Finally, I have a question for you. If I came and took 20% of what you earned by force and gave it to those that did not work, how would you feel? Because when the government takes my money and pays it out to welfare that is what they are doing. (Do not try to paint me a mean spirited, because I believe the system is worst for those on welfare. It destroys their families, self respect and self worth).
Every person in this country is entitled to what they earn from their labor, and the only two people that can judge the value of that labor is the person doing the work and the person paying for that work. Anyone else that tries controls that exchange is taking something away from one or both of them. And anyone that claims ownership of what another works for, is taking away what is rightfully the property of the worker.

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uuummmmmm?
Posted by: realitycheck6640 on Aug 5, 2009 11:30 AM   
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So, what gives all of your the right to take anyone's money? isn't it a tad bit hypocritical to, falsely claim, that the rich have stolen money, so know you'll steal it from them and give it to others? These people inherited money, built phenomenal coprorations, worked to the top of the ladder and you all cry that because you didn't you want some of their success. pursuit of happiness is granted as your opportunity, acheiving it may not be the result. Sorry.

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Zune Video Converter
Posted by: boay on Aug 17, 2009 6:46 PM   
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Zune Video Converter is really a fantastic Zune helper, which can convert video files to Zune supported formats without bothering you.

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PSP Video Converter
Posted by: boay on Aug 17, 2009 7:48 PM   
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PSP Video Converter s really your best PSP companion, which allows you to convert comprehensive video and audio files to PSP MP4 format and enjoy your great companionship of these two digital devices.

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Past Time to Go Back Pre-Reagan Tax Rates ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Jul 25, 2009 12:43 AM   
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Of course the ultra rich are trying to kill health care reform. Anything that threatens their Reagan Tax Cuts must be strangled in the crib. Using even a small percentage of their tax cuts is a foot in the door they can't allow.

The top 1% received a 30% or better income tax cut, scores of tax loopholes and cuts on their capital gains, dividend and estate taxes that have saved them literally trillions of dollars.

The rest of us haven't been so lucky. Our taxes have increased because state and local government has had to increase taxes because of the unfunded mandates that Congress has passed to the states and local governments, usually in the form of regressive taxes, like sales taxes and use fees ... and less funding for education, because the top 1% send their children to private schools or live in very well to do areas that have fewer children and very expensive houses.

Well, health care funding to them is a foot in the door of all their privilege. They actually have reporters asking why they should be penalized for helping all Americans get decent health care ... PENALIZED ! ! !. To them their Reagan Tax Cuts aren't a public policy decision but a God Given Right for the fabulously well to do!

What we do know is that since the Reagan Tax Cuts the wealthy have gotten even wealthier, the biggest wealth gap since 1928, while the rest of America has gotten poorer and the government is mired in debt!

Make no mistake ... the wealthy under the guise of their think tanks, institutions and media are going to fight health care funding tooth and nail whatever the cost ...

Here is a Great Article on the wealthy, their institutions and tax rates ...

The Great Tax Con Job

" Novelist Larry Beinhart was the first to bring this to my attention. He looked over the history of tax cuts and economic bubbles, and found a clear relationship between the two. High top marginal tax rates (generally well above 60%) on rich people actually stabilize the economy, prevent economic bubbles from forming, prevent economic crashes, and lead to steady and sustained economic growth (and steady and sustained wage growth for working people).

On the other hand, when top marginal rates drop below 50 percent, the opposite happens. As Beinhart noted in a November 17, 2008 post on the Huffington Post, the massive Republican tax cuts of the 1920s (from 73% to 25%) led directly to the Roaring '20s stock market bubble, temporary boom, and then the crash and Republican Great Depression of 1929.

Rates on the very rich went back up into the 70-90% range from the 1930s to the 1980s. As a result, the economy grew steadily; for the first time in the history of our nation we went 50 years without a crash or major bank failure; and working people's wages increased enough to produce the strongest middle class this nation has ever seen.

Then came Reaganomics.

Reagan cut top marginal rates on millionaires and billionaires from 74% down to 38% and there was an immediate surge in the markets - followed by the worst crash since the Great Depression and the failure of virtually the entire nation's savings and loan banking system."

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The stakes couldn't be clearer or higher ... will trillions be creamed off the top of the economy to make the wealthy even wealthier or will they be taxed to stabilize the economy and fund programs that all Americans need, starting with health care.

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Taxing the rich
Posted by: Perry Logan on Jul 25, 2009 2:48 AM   
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"What we do know is that since the Reagan Tax Cuts the wealthy have gotten even wealthier, the biggest wealth gap since 1928, while the rest of America has gotten poorer and the government is mired in debt!"

True, except for the Clinton years.

Clinton raised taxes on the rich, leading to the longest sustained economic expansion in U.S. history, higher income at all levels, and a lower poverty rate. He was even paying off the deficit. People forget this.

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It's All Cyclical
Posted by: drricklippin on Jul 25, 2009 3:38 AM   
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It is time to rebalance. The rich have had their "good run"

The greatest threat to the US is not terrorism. It is the erosion of our middle class in an era where anyone with a computer can easily ascertain the obscene assets of the rich.

The rich should know that if the people get angry enough there will be no place to hide For their own survival they should yield. But their greed gets in the way of rational thought.

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa

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It’s The Allowing, Stupid.
Posted by: The Old Hippie on Jul 25, 2009 4:00 AM   
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If you are confused, or you simply do not know what “the allowing” is all about...

Then maybe this link will help?
 

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The rich got bailed out and don't need healthcare reform.
Posted by: timenotonmyside on Jul 25, 2009 4:26 AM   
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Anyone remember when Wall Street started melting down? Anyone remember how the entire Washington Establishment said we had to immediately hand about $12 trillion over to the financial industry no questions asked - and how that same Washington Establishment attacked progressives for trying to slow things down just a wee bit?
Today, many of those Washington Establishment voices are precisely the same people who now insist we cannot "rush" a $1 trillion health care reform package through Congress. After pushing a $12 trillion no-strings-attached handout to Wall Street, they actually insist that they don't want to "rush" health care because of it's price tag.
And so, I'm wondering - has anyone bothered to ask those same bailout backers why they said we had to rush $12 trillion out to Wall Street, but we shouldn't "rush" health care reform for the 45 million Americans who don't have health insurance, and the 22,000 who die every year because of that reality?
I mean, even if you subscribe to the empirically absurd notion that debating health care for 64 years is a "rush," this is a pretty simple line of questioning: How was handing $12 trillion to Wall Street over the course of 10 days of legislative debate the right kind of thing to rush, but spending $1 trillion on universal health care after a 64-year debate the wrong kind of thing to "rush?"

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CONSUMER ACTION
Posted by: CTC123 on Jul 25, 2009 5:06 AM   
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Consider the Connection to:
Big Money Makers $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Collect money from the CONSUMERS (U & I)
U & I recieve trick'le.down economics.
U & I need to take ACTION!!!

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The rich have been taking all the money
Posted by: cberkland on Jul 25, 2009 5:18 AM   
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The super rich have been grabbing all of the wealth from productivity gains made the past 30 years for themselves. It has resulted in a huge transfer of wealth from the bottom 99% to the top 1%. So what are they doing now? Claiming that the bottom 99% is trying to redistribute wealth downward for things like health through their propagandists like Faux News and Rush Limpdick! Wow. That takes some brass balls and an incredible amount of greed and selfishness.

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What few are getting...
Posted by: cheryljohns on Jul 25, 2009 5:52 AM   
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is that there exists a group of people that cannot feel rich enough unless there is the stark contrast of a large number of people suffering without the basic necessities of life. It is not enough that they have an abundance of whatever - they have to know that there are millions going without. That lobster dinner tastes so much better to them when they know that there are hungry people, not just people who cannot afford lobster. It took me a long time and quite a few eye-opening careless remarks from these greedy people for me to grasp it. When you don't think like they do, it's difficult to imagine people that evil - yes, evil.

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tom frazee
Posted by: tomfrazee on Jul 25, 2009 6:31 AM   
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It's an act of cruelty to let the poor remain sick or die, while the terms are being worked out. Forget the taxes, everyone work 3% pro bono, for life. That would come to 5 patients a month getting care for free from Doctors. Lawyers and Doctors are already doing it, as part of their Scholastic Degree. Everyone, in every walk of life, do 3%. Hell, we waste probably 20%, anyway, and think how good we'ld feel, if we took care of our own citizens, without borrowing trillions from China. Now, that's community.

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The Republican elite stoled the American Dream.
Posted by: forestnfama on Jul 25, 2009 6:35 AM   
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Yes the privilege elite are enjoying their riches for the moment but make no mistake the downtrodden will someday rise up and revolt. Either by fair elections or violent revolution. If they were smart (the elite) they would start sharing the wealth with the less fortunate. Few Americans know the significants of July 14, Dia de Bastille. Bastille Day! A healthy America is one where all classes have a decent shot at the American Dream. The rich and Republican party has stolen this dream for themselves.

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what happens if the welthy just move away
Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars on Jul 25, 2009 6:39 AM   
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really dose anyone think about this or are we going to build a wall around America like Berlin?

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If the wealthy move away - that might be the best thing to happen to America
Posted by: cheryljohns on Jul 25, 2009 6:45 AM   
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We would be able to start over again as a country. New businesses, a new economy. Cut off the money flowing to them and use it to re-build the country.

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This reminds me of Buchanan
Posted by: Parcival01 on Jul 25, 2009 6:59 AM   
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Did anyone see the "debate" between Pat Buchanan and Rachel Maddow last week? Buchanan argued against Affirmative Action based on, almost in these words, "we white males are the victims."

Look at the words particularly of the Wall Street guy. It's the same: Oh, that po' po, 1 percent. Must they pay for everything? The poor victims.

What's sad is, if you look at related pages on places like YouTube, there are many who can't afford to eat who're suggesting--INSISTING--that health care reform as proposed is not much short of a commie plot.

Our stuggle: to get people--and I'm not talking about that 1 percent--to NOT vote against their own self interest. And that's not going to be easy.

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The 1%'ers are the very ones
Posted by: Chloe2005 on Jul 25, 2009 7:22 AM   
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making millions by denying health care claims and taking bailout $$$. They give money to Congress to write bills that give them more and more tax breaks. They buy elections. They sit on each others boards and vote themselves more and more bonuses. They protect themselves from this recession/depression they created. Someday they will look out from their ivory towers in gated communities and come to the realization that they are indeed only 1% and the 99% of us are VERY ANGRY!!

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CORPORATE ELITES ARE DESTROYING HEALTH CARE
Posted by: SPEAKTRUTH200 on Jul 25, 2009 7:36 AM   
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THE 1% own the majority of the banks, credit card companies, big pharma and health insurance companies. Miniumum wage just went to $7.25 thats about $15,000 a year. Health insurance for a family of 4 = $13,000...we are supposed to buy food, clothing, transportation, educate our kids on less than $2000....WHEN DOES THE REVOLUTION BEGIN....rush, hannity, savage, oreilly, dobbs and the rest of the lunatic fringers make millions every year, they hate poor people and consider us to be "useless eaters".

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The Muddle Through Economy from investor John Mauldin
Posted by: cori on Jul 25, 2009 8:24 AM   
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The Muddle Through Economy
This is going to be a long, jobless recovery. Hours worked per week are at an all-time low. As noted above, part-time work is very high. Employers, when things actually start to turn around, and they will, will first give current employees more hours and then expand the hours of part-time workers. There will be few new jobs for a long time.

Because our population is growing, between 130-150,000 new jobs are required each month to keep unemployment from rising. Initial and continuing claims suggest we are currently losing at least 300,000 a month.

(As an aside, the media talks about initial unemployment claims falling. That is actually not true. Unemployment claims are in fact quite high and rising, but the seasonal adjustments make them look smaller. Normally, this would not be a big deal. But the summer seasonal adjustment assumes a normal automobile manufacturing market, with layoffs in July. The layoffs came much earlier this year, distorting seasonal adjustments.)

Higher and persistent unemployment, lower incomes and wages, higher savings rates, capacity utilization at 50-year lows and still falling, rising home foreclosures, a deleveraging financial system, etc. are not the stuff of "V-shaped" recoveries. Throw in that Moody's estimates that US banks will have to write off $400 billion in 2010, and it's a very weak recovery indeed that shapes up for next year.

It's the return of The Muddle Through Economy*, which is better than what we have had, to be sure. But that asterisk is there for a reason. Congress and the Obama administration are seemingly hell bent on a massive tax increase. If that happens, it will push a fragile recovery back into recession. It will look like the twin recessions of 1980-82.

It will be a difficult investing environment, to say the least. If buy-and-hold is not your favorite style, there are alternatives. Quick commercial: my friends at CMG have a platform of alternative managers that can be tailored to your specific needs. These are traders who have weathered the storms of this last decade. These are individually managed accounts, with daily liquidity. You really owe it to yourself to see the managers on their platform. The link to their form is http://www.cmgfunds.net/public/mauldin_questionnaire.asp.

I am encouraged by the fact that the radical health reforms look like they might not pass. The health-care system clearly needs a major overhaul. Let's hope that we get it right.

In a future letter, I am going to talk about taxes. I am concerned that we are going to raise taxes now to very high levels, and not leave any room for the tax increases we are going to desperately need in the middle of the next decade to pay for entitlement programs. That will mean a VAT tax and tax increases on the middle class. Again, not good for the economy.

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Greed Kills
Posted by: thornwolf on Jul 25, 2009 8:44 AM   
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I suppose the rich greed mongers regard themselves as "values" voters. Yeah, they value their own and detest the rest.

Interestingly, tax increases at the top actually work as supply-side stimulus for the larger economy. Ironic, isn't it?

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You Mean 9-hundredths of 1 percent
Posted by: thornwolf on Jul 25, 2009 8:47 AM   
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$9,000 is just .009 percent of $1,000,000.

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Eat the Rich
Posted by: leafsong1 on Jul 25, 2009 9:47 AM   
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Transplant their organs into people who actually deserve to live. Grind their bones to make calcium supplements. Turn the rest into dog food.

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Time to Get the Rich off of Welfare
Posted by: Trainer12 on Jul 25, 2009 10:54 AM   
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Tell it like it is, the rich are on welfare. Deferring tax payments on salary or dividends, numbered Swiss Bank accounts and off-shore corporations in Cayman Islands and getting no-bid Federal contracts. Why is it the richer people get the less they want to pay ANY tax at all? Yet they want government bailouts, no bid Federal contracts and expect police, fire, air traffic controllers, and defense of our borders and interests without paying any taxes. The are hypocritical welfare cheaters. You can't have good government without tax money and you can't have something for nothing. I am willing to pay my fair share, why aren't they willing to pay their fair share? If they want to take there money and leave, fine, good riddance. Don't ask the US Military to come rescue you. Greed is not okay.

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End Corporate "Personhood"
Posted by: TJColatrella on Jul 25, 2009 11:46 AM   
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We must put an end to Corporate "personhood", it's legalized bribery...our entire system is corrupted..and we are losing our democracy...!

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It's not just the unfair taxation but the unfair spending that's to blame.
Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Jul 25, 2009 12:17 PM   
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David Sirota may be correct on the 1% wealthiest getting more monetary benefits in the form of obscenely higher tax cuts than they deserve. However, not to sound like a conservative but we need to get our spending in order. Even if we do tax them we also have to know where the money is actually going towards and make sure it's going to the right places instead of the wrong ones. Additionally, we are borrowing from China to pay for the wars and the tax cuts to the already very well to do who don't deserve it.

If we were not borrowing from other nations, genuine fiscal responsibility would be harder to ignore. That would mean reserving tax cuts for anyone making under 200k per year and making sure that the taxes collect were put to constructive purposes such as public transportation, education where it counts, and other domestic and constructive purposes rather than destructive purposes such as wars, spoonfeeding Wall $treet, tax cut and loophole giveaways to the wealthy/corporate elite, etc ... We need to both get our tax code structure seriously repaired AND get our spending priorities and distribution straightened out.

P.S.: I used to get frustrated when people would call me a "Republican" for bringing this part up but I found that if I laugh it out, it's harder to back down from that truth. Come to think of it, I really do miss genuine fiscal conservatism. When I think about it, a country's true happiness is no different than an individual's happiness. At some point, the more one spends beyond a certain limit, the more unhappy they get.

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So end the wars already!
Posted by: wireup on Jul 25, 2009 3:36 PM   
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Well, if these 1%ers are so worried, seems to me that they should be pushing to end the god-damned wars. Then there would be PLENTY of money to cover health care and no need to tax the parasites!

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And the rich will continue to have it so good
Posted by: talkville on Jul 25, 2009 7:41 PM   
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All this entire exercise of "health care reform" is is simply the process of Private Capital making use of Public funds and resources (including government) to tear out the Domestic Economic Engine of Production and Manufacturing and replace it with the new Economic Engine of Finance and Banking.

Keep an eye on GM ("What's good for GM is good for America"). I feel relatively confident that in a few years it will re-emerge in it's true private form, having in the meantime replaced it's auto-manufacturing center-piece with its Consumer Finance and Real Estate arms moved onto center stage. And it will remain immensely lucrative for its major shareholders who at the moment are off whistling and dissimulating somewhere in their luxurious estates and vacation spots.

What Mussolini called Corporatism, albeit with a detectable Puritan style.

There's good, there's bad and there's ugly in all of this. But about 60 to 70% of the population will lose much more than it gained-- by "consent" of the governed.

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From James K. Galbraith
Posted by: armorypk on Jul 25, 2009 8:54 PM   
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I've posted this quotation many times before, but its relevance and truth never grows old:

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."

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» So true. Posted by: leafsong1

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super rich?
Posted by: quito on Jul 26, 2009 6:44 AM   
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They may have tons of money, but they are poor souls! Empty, lost, weak, failures! Most of them!

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Well, there is.............
Posted by: ava1984 on Jul 26, 2009 1:58 PM   
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a reason 'flyover'states are called the heartland; THE BRAIN IS NOT THERE!

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Proverty............
Posted by: ava1984 on Jul 26, 2009 2:01 PM   
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is a weapon of mass destruction!

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BLUE DOG'S
Posted by: Steve Adair on Jul 26, 2009 7:37 PM   
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We need to put every last penny and every ounce of energy we have into getting rid of every last BLUE DOG Democrat...

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Time to QUIT
Posted by: mapsguy1955 on Jul 27, 2009 4:43 AM   
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Every person in favor of a single payer system should be ready to make the ultimate sacrifice for the good of the all. When the Med-moguls will not listen to reason, it is time to do what they WILL listen to. It is time to drop all of our health insurance coverages, unless you are in the middle of procedures. If we all quit spending money on healthcare and just use the emergency room, we will so overwhelm the system and take ALL of the profit away, they will be forced to capitulate. Then we will fix the future.

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» If only!!! Posted by: thekidde

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Name them and shame them
Posted by: swooshy on Jul 27, 2009 6:37 AM   
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Time to dig out all the dirt on the "elected" whores here. Post the amounts they get from the "industry". Make sure Granny knows her dear representative is living high on the hog while she decides between medication and food.
Let an army of investigative reporters, constituents, forensic accountants start crawling over these overpaid ceo's and politicians like red ants.
Is Mr. Hypocrite avoiding paying taxes banking in Cayman or Switzerland?? Why do many elected officials leave office with a lot more than they came in with?? Insurance conglomerate outsourcing personal information and work overseas?
How much tax do some of these companies actually PAY?
Set up funds to pay investigative reporters to to the job our regulators and big media won't.

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LadyLiberty101
Posted by: LadyLiberty101 on Jul 28, 2009 2:07 PM   
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I'm certainly not ultra-rich, but the health care reform being considered is completely frightening to me. After the ultra-rich 1% pay in their share, who is going to pay the rest?? The cost will be much greater than the proceeds from 1% of Americans. If it's true that 22,000 Americans die every year because they don't have health insurance, that represents less than 1% of all deaths (according to the CDC). I'm in favor of reforming healthcare to lower that number if possible, but unfortunately there are already working examples of what Congress is asking for in this bill (Canada, Europe) that demonstrate that death rates are likely to increase, not decrease, due to declining quality of care and rationing. These changes won't be apparent immediately, but they are sure to come. Perhaps, if Congress gives us an option that will actually IMPROVE our health care system (which is currently the best in the world), Americans--even the rich 1%--will be more inclined to open up their pocketbooks to fund it.

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BASOQIO
Posted by: itouch backup on Jul 29, 2009 7:52 PM   
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Oh yeah
Posted by: zzdinko on Aug 4, 2009 4:18 PM   
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And rest assured they will succeed! They alweays do!

RT
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Here are some other facts.
Posted by: fboisseau on Aug 5, 2009 11:10 AM   
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First let me say I was against all the bailouts starting with TARP. Those companies should of failed. I also understand how our politicians on both sides has been taken over by the rich, big corporations, unions and other special interest groups. They have used this power to destroy competition and limit our choices. But I also realize that doing that is not a free market system, since free markets are based on choices and the right to fail as well as succeed.
But having said that, please keep in mind the following when talking about how the rich are getting off easy. The percentage of total tax dollars paid by the rich has increase every year since 1987 (except for 1988). In 2007 the total amount of taxes paid by the top 1% exceeded the total taxes paid the bottom 95%. ( see here http://bit.ly/3uAeko )
Finally, I have a question for you. If I came and took 20% of what you earned by force and gave it to those that did not work, how would you feel? Because when the government takes my money and pays it out to welfare that is what they are doing. (Do not try to paint me a mean spirited, because I believe the system is worst for those on welfare. It destroys their families, self respect and self worth).
Every person in this country is entitled to what they earn from their labor, and the only two people that can judge the value of that labor is the person doing the work and the person paying for that work. Anyone else that tries controls that exchange is taking something away from one or both of them. And anyone that claims ownership of what another works for, is taking away what is rightfully the property of the worker.

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uuummmmmm?
Posted by: realitycheck6640 on Aug 5, 2009 11:30 AM   
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So, what gives all of your the right to take anyone's money? isn't it a tad bit hypocritical to, falsely claim, that the rich have stolen money, so know you'll steal it from them and give it to others? These people inherited money, built phenomenal coprorations, worked to the top of the ladder and you all cry that because you didn't you want some of their success. pursuit of happiness is granted as your opportunity, acheiving it may not be the result. Sorry.

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Zune Video Converter
Posted by: boay on Aug 17, 2009 6:46 PM   
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Zune Video Converter is really a fantastic Zune helper, which can convert video files to Zune supported formats without bothering you.

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PSP Video Converter
Posted by: boay on Aug 17, 2009 7:48 PM   
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PSP Video Converter s really your best PSP companion, which allows you to convert comprehensive video and audio files to PSP MP4 format and enjoy your great companionship of these two digital devices.

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