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The Wall Street-Health Care Connection: Fat Cats Want to Tax Your Benefits
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When I heard Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., floating the idea of a tax on health benefits in order to raise revenue for health-care reform, I was baffled; how could this be?
Barack Obama's victory in the presidential campaign was due, in part, to his promise to never tax health care benefits. And even as tax schemes on benefits for ordinary American workers gain traction in the Senate, many conservative House Democrats -- the so-called Blue Dogs -- balk at a tax increase on the country's wealthiest citizens to help pay for a much-needed health care fix.
That puts conservative Democrats in line with the editorial board of the Wall Street Journal, which in a May editorial, embraced the tax on benefits for regular people (calling the exclusion of taxes of employer-based health care benefits "a huge money pot"), but just this week railed against the tax on the wealthy proposed in the current House bill.
On July 21, seven members of the Blue Dog Coalition forced House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Henry Waxman, D-Calif., to cancel debate and a vote on a health care bill already passed by two other House committees. The Blue Dogs cited their objections to the cost of the program, and Blue Dog spokesman Rep. Mike Ross, D-Ark., questioned the wisdom of taxing the wealthy to pay for it.
A June survey by Lake Research Partners for the Health Care for American Now coalition found that 80 percent of likely voters opposed a tax on health care benefits. Many health care advocates argue that taxing health care benefits could actually turn the country against the public health insurance option, which a Wall Street Journal poll shows shows that 76 percent of Americans support. If you tell people that to pay for that public option, you have to tax the benefits of those who have private insurance, that support would likely drop off a cliff.
Political concerns aside, there's also the probability of unintended consequences if the health care benefits provided by employers are taxed -- even if, as currently proposed, the tax would only kick in after a certain level of benefits.
Yet, despite the burden that would be felt by many regular people resulting from a cap on tax-excluded benefits, some conservative Democrats are upset about a proposed surtax on the wealthy included in the House bill as a revenue-generator for health care.
The legislation proposed by leaders of three House committees would set a 1 percent surtax on couples with more than $350,000 in annual income, with higher rates taking effect for those earning $500,000 and $1 million.
House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., said the surtax would raise raise $540 billion over the next decade, according to Bloomberg News. Still, Ross reportedly objects to the measure.
"I don't like the idea of raising taxes in the worst economic crisis since World War II," he told Politico. In response, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., is reportedly floating the idea of setting the bar higher -- adding the surtax to the incomes of only those who earn more than $1 million per year.
And that's just one way to go. The Center for Tax Justice, a progressive think tank, laid out a variety of options [PDF] for paying for health care reform. One suggestion is a 1.45 percent Medicare tax on the capital gains and other non-wage income of millionaires -- a measure that could raise billions of dollars.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Jul 23, 2009 12:32 AM
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What is more important is that liberals and progressives start insisting that tax rates on income, capital gains and estates return to their Pre - Reagan levels ... If we never bring it up WHO WILL?
Here is an excellent article:
The Great Tax Con Job
by Thom Hartmann
"Republicans are using the T-word - taxes - to attack the Obama healthcare program. It's a strategy based in a lie.
A very small niche of America's uber-wealthy have pulled off what may well be the biggest con job in the history of our republic, and they did it in a startlingly brief 30 or so years. True, they spent over three billion dollars to make it happen, but the reward to them was in the hundreds of billions - and will continue to be.
As my friend and colleague Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks pointed out in a Daily Kos blog recently, billionaire Rupert Murdoch loses $50 million a year on the NY Post, billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife loses $2 to $3 million a year on the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, billionaire Philip Anschutz loses around $5 million a year on The Weekly Standard, and billionaire Sun Myung Moon has lost $2 to $3 billion on The Washington Times.
Why are these guys willing to lose so much money funding "conservative" media? Why do they bulk-buy every right-wing book that comes out to throw it to the top of the NY Times Bestseller list and then give away the copies to "subscribers" to their websites and publications? Why do they fund to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars a year money-hole "think tanks" like Heritage and Cato?
The answer is pretty straightforward. They do it because it buys them respectability, and gets their con job out there. Even though William Kristol's publication is a money-losing joke (with only 85,000 subscribers!), his association with the Standard was enough to get him on TV talk shows whenever he wants, and a column with The New York Times. The Washington Times catapulted Tony Blankley to stardom."
There is much, much more ... a definite must read ...
The Great Tax Con Job
Now if some professed liberal and progressive economists (hint; Dean Baker, Paul Krugman) would grow a pair they would start bringing this idea up ! Bring back the Pre-Reagan Tax Rates ! just might get the ball rolling on re instituting progressive taxation.
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Posted by: aussidawg on Jul 23, 2009 12:45 AM
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Well now...we have certainly seen from past experience that Obama's word is good as gold, right? And frankly, I have heard about all I can handle about Max Baucus. This guy is nothing more than a paid mouthpiece for the health insurance industry. Finally, Blue Dog Democrats are nothing but republicans with a deceptive name (imagine that!)
Any representative or senator who advocates taxing the benefits of those who are already struggling to put food on their tables or keep a roof over their heads over taxing the beneficiaries of the biggest rip-off in the history of this country, deserves a special place in the history books as being one of the most corrupt, evil, politicians to ever infect this already pathetically corrupt government.
These guys are fucking OUTRAGEOUS!!!!!
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Posted by: littlepitcher on Jul 23, 2009 5:44 AM
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Subsidizing these, and other insurance scammeisters is but one of the aims of Congressional crooks. A secondary subsidy exists for medical equipment suppliers who will loot the new health care plan.
A plan designed along the lines of the Canadian, Aussie, and Kiwi plans is optimal. These give Congressional-style coverage at moderate cost to the insured.
If Obama manages to pull off this travesty and charge us for non-coverage, we need a Constitutional amendment which will pay Congress at half the minimum wage, like the restaurant servers they rule, and which will put them on identical benefits programs. If it's good enough for the least of us, it's good enough for them.
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» Correction to my first sentence. Sorry about the typo.
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» You think Rockefeller only kept nine cents? You never ran a business.
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Posted by: johnwinthrop on Jul 23, 2009 2:58 PM
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Heath care benefits paid for by the boss are imputed income which is taken off the employees' taxable income first; in other words it's a huge tax benefit, bigger than the writeoffs businesses take for ordinary and necessary expenses once adjusted income is calcualated. To make it simple, you would be taxed in a much higher bracket if not for this freeby. The boss could give you no health benefit, add the cash to your salary, and watch your tax bill soar.
The unions keep this nonsense up, along with Obama, who is an economic and legal illiterate despite his "Harvard" degree, and no employer will furnish health care. We all then will have Kathleen Sibelius handing us health care at government expense(govt is broke!) and terms.
Obama better move fast because the doctors, nurses and AARP aren't going to stay on the BamaWagon long once members of the professional associations realize what their bureaucrat DC staffs have bargained away with Obama and Emmanuel. This is a nightmare, and it has to be paid for.
The people who benefit from a service should always pay for it unless they are destitute. Well, people like the sheet metal workers who get excellent employer paid plan are not destitute.
Obama ducked the press question yesterday: What are you asking the American people to sacrifice. Like his predecessor worm, George W. Bush, Bush essentially said "nothing". At that point I said, throw this bum out.
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What is more important is that liberals and progressives start insisting that tax rates on income, capital gains and estates return to their Pre - Reagan levels ... If we never bring it up WHO WILL?
Here is an excellent article:
The Great Tax Con Job
by Thom Hartmann
"Republicans are using the T-word - taxes - to attack the Obama healthcare program. It's a strategy based in a lie.
A very small niche of America's uber-wealthy have pulled off what may well be the biggest con job in the history of our republic, and they did it in a startlingly brief 30 or so years. True, they spent over three billion dollars to make it happen, but the reward to them was in the hundreds of billions - and will continue to be.
As my friend and colleague Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks pointed out in a Daily Kos blog recently, billionaire Rupert Murdoch loses $50 million a year on the NY Post, billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife loses $2 to $3 million a year on the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, billionaire Philip Anschutz loses around $5 million a year on The Weekly Standard, and billionaire Sun Myung Moon has lost $2 to $3 billion on The Washington Times.
Why are these guys willing to lose so much money funding "conservative" media? Why do they bulk-buy every right-wing book that comes out to throw it to the top of the NY Times Bestseller list and then give away the copies to "subscribers" to their websites and publications? Why do they fund to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars a year money-hole "think tanks" like Heritage and Cato?
The answer is pretty straightforward. They do it because it buys them respectability, and gets their con job out there. Even though William Kristol's publication is a money-losing joke (with only 85,000 subscribers!), his association with the Standard was enough to get him on TV talk shows whenever he wants, and a column with The New York Times. The Washington Times catapulted Tony Blankley to stardom."
There is much, much more ... a definite must read ...
The Great Tax Con Job
Now if some professed liberal and progressive economists (hint; Dean Baker, Paul Krugman) would grow a pair they would start bringing this idea up ! Bring back the Pre-Reagan Tax Rates ! just might get the ball rolling on re instituting progressive taxation.
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Well now...we have certainly seen from past experience that Obama's word is good as gold, right? And frankly, I have heard about all I can handle about Max Baucus. This guy is nothing more than a paid mouthpiece for the health insurance industry. Finally, Blue Dog Democrats are nothing but republicans with a deceptive name (imagine that!)
Any representative or senator who advocates taxing the benefits of those who are already struggling to put food on their tables or keep a roof over their heads over taxing the beneficiaries of the biggest rip-off in the history of this country, deserves a special place in the history books as being one of the most corrupt, evil, politicians to ever infect this already pathetically corrupt government.
These guys are fucking OUTRAGEOUS!!!!!
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Posted by: littlepitcher on Jul 23, 2009 5:44 AM
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Subsidizing these, and other insurance scammeisters is but one of the aims of Congressional crooks. A secondary subsidy exists for medical equipment suppliers who will loot the new health care plan.
A plan designed along the lines of the Canadian, Aussie, and Kiwi plans is optimal. These give Congressional-style coverage at moderate cost to the insured.
If Obama manages to pull off this travesty and charge us for non-coverage, we need a Constitutional amendment which will pay Congress at half the minimum wage, like the restaurant servers they rule, and which will put them on identical benefits programs. If it's good enough for the least of us, it's good enough for them.
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» See your accountant
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Heath care benefits paid for by the boss are imputed income which is taken off the employees' taxable income first; in other words it's a huge tax benefit, bigger than the writeoffs businesses take for ordinary and necessary expenses once adjusted income is calcualated. To make it simple, you would be taxed in a much higher bracket if not for this freeby. The boss could give you no health benefit, add the cash to your salary, and watch your tax bill soar.
The unions keep this nonsense up, along with Obama, who is an economic and legal illiterate despite his "Harvard" degree, and no employer will furnish health care. We all then will have Kathleen Sibelius handing us health care at government expense(govt is broke!) and terms.
Obama better move fast because the doctors, nurses and AARP aren't going to stay on the BamaWagon long once members of the professional associations realize what their bureaucrat DC staffs have bargained away with Obama and Emmanuel. This is a nightmare, and it has to be paid for.
The people who benefit from a service should always pay for it unless they are destitute. Well, people like the sheet metal workers who get excellent employer paid plan are not destitute.
Obama ducked the press question yesterday: What are you asking the American people to sacrifice. Like his predecessor worm, George W. Bush, Bush essentially said "nothing". At that point I said, throw this bum out.
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