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The Wall Street-Health Care Connection: Fat Cats Want to Tax Your Benefits

The conservative Democrats who want to tax your health-care benefits have friends in deep-pocketed places.
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When I heard Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., floating the idea of a tax on health benefits in order to raise revenue for health-care reform, I was baffled; how could this be?

Barack Obama's victory in the presidential campaign was due, in part, to his promise to never tax health care benefits. And even as tax schemes on benefits for ordinary American workers gain traction in the Senate, many conservative House Democrats -- the so-called Blue Dogs -- balk at a tax increase on the country's wealthiest citizens to help pay for a much-needed health care fix. 

That puts conservative Democrats in line with the editorial board of the Wall Street Journal, which in a May editorial, embraced the tax on benefits for regular people (calling the exclusion of taxes of employer-based health care benefits "a huge money pot"), but just this week railed against the tax on the wealthy proposed in the current House bill.

On July 21, seven members of the Blue Dog Coalition forced House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Henry Waxman, D-Calif., to cancel debate and a vote on a health care bill already passed by two other House committees. The Blue Dogs cited their objections to the cost of the program, and Blue Dog spokesman Rep. Mike Ross, D-Ark., questioned the wisdom of taxing the wealthy to pay for it.

A June survey by Lake Research Partners for the Health Care for American Now coalition found that 80 percent of likely voters opposed a tax on health care benefits.  Many health care advocates argue that taxing health care benefits could actually turn the country against the public health insurance option, which a Wall Street Journal poll shows shows that 76 percent of Americans support. If you tell people that to pay for that public option, you have to tax the benefits of those who have private insurance, that support would likely drop off a cliff.

Political concerns aside, there's also the probability of unintended consequences if the health care benefits provided by employers are taxed -- even if, as currently proposed, the tax would only kick in after a certain level of benefits. A report by the Commonwealth Fund shows that working people with employer-provided benefits could see their tax liability increase by 20 to 28 percent if a cap on tax-free health care benefits was imposed.

Yet, despite the burden that would be felt by many regular people resulting from a cap on tax-excluded benefits, some conservative Democrats are upset about a proposed surtax on the wealthy included in the House bill as a revenue-generator for health care.

The legislation proposed by leaders of three House committees would set a 1 percent surtax on couples with more than $350,000 in annual income, with higher rates taking effect for those earning $500,000 and $1 million.

House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., said the surtax would raise raise $540 billion over the next decade, according to Bloomberg News. Still, Ross reportedly objects to the measure.

"I don't like the idea of raising taxes in the worst economic crisis since World War II," he told Politico. In response, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., is reportedly floating the idea of setting the bar higher -- adding the surtax to the incomes of only those who earn more than $1 million per year.

And that's just one way to go. The Center for Tax Justice, a progressive think tank, laid out a variety of options [PDF] for paying for health care reform. One suggestion is a 1.45 percent Medicare tax on the capital gains and other non-wage income of millionaires -- a measure that could raise billions of dollars.


Mike Elk is a third-generation union organizer who writes for Campaign for America's Future. He previously worked for the United Electrical, Radio and Machine Workers (UE).
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We Need the Pre- Reagan Tax Rates & The Great Tax Con Job ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Jul 23, 2009 12:32 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I think Obama finally took the health care tax off the table Wednesday ...

What is more important is that liberals and progressives start insisting that tax rates on income, capital gains and estates return to their Pre - Reagan levels ... If we never bring it up WHO WILL?

Here is an excellent article:

The Great Tax Con Job

by Thom Hartmann

"Republicans are using the T-word - taxes - to attack the Obama healthcare program. It's a strategy based in a lie.

A very small niche of America's uber-wealthy have pulled off what may well be the biggest con job in the history of our republic, and they did it in a startlingly brief 30 or so years. True, they spent over three billion dollars to make it happen, but the reward to them was in the hundreds of billions - and will continue to be.

As my friend and colleague Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks pointed out in a Daily Kos blog recently, billionaire Rupert Murdoch loses $50 million a year on the NY Post, billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife loses $2 to $3 million a year on the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, billionaire Philip Anschutz loses around $5 million a year on The Weekly Standard, and billionaire Sun Myung Moon has lost $2 to $3 billion on The Washington Times.

Why are these guys willing to lose so much money funding "conservative" media? Why do they bulk-buy every right-wing book that comes out to throw it to the top of the NY Times Bestseller list and then give away the copies to "subscribers" to their websites and publications? Why do they fund to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars a year money-hole "think tanks" like Heritage and Cato?

The answer is pretty straightforward. They do it because it buys them respectability, and gets their con job out there. Even though William Kristol's publication is a money-losing joke (with only 85,000 subscribers!), his association with the Standard was enough to get him on TV talk shows whenever he wants, and a column with The New York Times. The Washington Times catapulted Tony Blankley to stardom."

There is much, much more ... a definite must read ...

The Great Tax Con Job

Now if some professed liberal and progressive economists (hint; Dean Baker, Paul Krugman) would grow a pair they would start bringing this idea up ! Bring back the Pre-Reagan Tax Rates ! just might get the ball rolling on re instituting progressive taxation.

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Blue Dogs and Honest O
Posted by: aussidawg on Jul 23, 2009 12:45 AM   
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"Barack Obama's victory in the presidential campaign was due, in part, to his promise to never tax health care benefits."

Well now...we have certainly seen from past experience that Obama's word is good as gold, right? And frankly, I have heard about all I can handle about Max Baucus. This guy is nothing more than a paid mouthpiece for the health insurance industry. Finally, Blue Dog Democrats are nothing but republicans with a deceptive name (imagine that!)

Any representative or senator who advocates taxing the benefits of those who are already struggling to put food on their tables or keep a roof over their heads over taxing the beneficiaries of the biggest rip-off in the history of this country, deserves a special place in the history books as being one of the most corrupt, evil, politicians to ever infect this already pathetically corrupt government.

These guys are fucking OUTRAGEOUS!!!!!

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They Rule...
Posted by: The Old Hippie on Jul 23, 2009 3:31 AM   
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DrBob
Posted by: ProfBob on Jul 23, 2009 3:54 AM   
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Where should the taxes come from to pay for the health plan? In Europe we pay a 25% value added tax on goods and services--and food is taxed. Should people with large families and illegal immigrants pay a VAT--they don't pay many other taxes. Or should the rich be taxed because we need large families to fight wars to protect the wealth of the rich? Or should we just borrow more from China and increase our nearly half a trillion dollars per year interest payments to our creditors? It will be paid for now or in the future.

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Thank you for exposing the FRAUD that the Blue Dog Democrats are.
Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Jul 23, 2009 4:24 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Last year, the Democrats hounded Mccain for allowing health care benefits to be taxed. Now they, at least the Blue Dog Democrats anyway, are going to do the same thing and yet no outrage. Looking at the earlier comments where the Obamabots went out of their way to defend the Blue Dog Democrats even when others pointed out that they were even more dangerous than even the Republicans themselves, here's how I see it. Give them two poison pills that are identical except that one is coated red and the other is coated blue and watch them fall for the blue one. The Blue Dog Democrats are doing nothing but SOILING the party. No wonder Wall $treet is laughing at us all on their ways to the bank. With the way the Blue Doggies in Congress are playing kissyface with Wall $treet and the wealthy elite even more than in previous Congressional terms, the GOP will have no problem playing the "populist card" and gutting the Democrats like trout in 2010 and 2012. They can and will point out their reversal in promising not to tax health care benefits. No wonder single payer is off the table. Just keep letting Big Insurance get richer and raise taxes against health care benefits of the working class and watch more of that money slip out of our hands into more wars and bailouts for Wall $treet. Our children and future generations will HATE US when they are faced having to clean up the debt that our corrupt pols chose to leave them thanks to the ignorant Joe the Plumber Republicans and Obamabot DemoRATs who voted in these kinds of weasels election after election ! Additionally, the sweetheart civilians overseas who will be faced with losing their homes and lives all because of all this reckless war spending from raising taxes on the working class here at home will also HATE US for generations to come !

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subsidies for health care scams
Posted by: littlepitcher on Jul 23, 2009 5:44 AM   
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Obama's most recent obamination is requiring health insurance policies for low-income workers. The policies currently available to fast food workers etc. don't kick in until a year on the job. At that point, a pre-existing condition exclusion may take another two years to surmount. Meantime, the policies are costly and coverage is minimal.
Subsidizing these, and other insurance scammeisters is but one of the aims of Congressional crooks. A secondary subsidy exists for medical equipment suppliers who will loot the new health care plan.

A plan designed along the lines of the Canadian, Aussie, and Kiwi plans is optimal. These give Congressional-style coverage at moderate cost to the insured.

If Obama manages to pull off this travesty and charge us for non-coverage, we need a Constitutional amendment which will pay Congress at half the minimum wage, like the restaurant servers they rule, and which will put them on identical benefits programs. If it's good enough for the least of us, it's good enough for them.

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Why am I not surprised?
Posted by: Lex Thomas on Jul 23, 2009 6:28 AM   
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Every two weeks my doctor who's an uncle receives plenty of junk mail from the AMA and his Republican congressman. He once asked the AMA about his concern about Congress and Obama open to taxing healthcare benefits a few weeks ago and the AMA responded with a "that's the way business has to be done" response. My blue dog congressman also sends us plenty of spam mails, snail and electronic wise. I have noticed similarities in the ways both the Republicans and Blue Dog Democrats communicate with their constituents. Taxes is where they love to scare their constituents the most. Ask them where they're going to get the money to pay for whatever and they avoid answering the question as best as possible. Any time they're ready to raise taxes where they think fewer people will pay attention, they'll act like a typical business freak and argue with a response similar to "in order to continue serving you we'll have to raise the fees just a little but you'll get more". Yeah right ! Wall Street can count on the Republicans and the Blue Dog Democrats to team up and flip the poor voters out with their middle finger.

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If we continue on this path, they will soon tax the very air we breathe!!!
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Jul 23, 2009 8:35 AM   
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Please wake-up, sheeple!

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Ralph Nader was right
Posted by: sharonsylvie on Jul 23, 2009 8:44 AM   
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There is very little difference between the two parties. Although the Dems are a bit saner than the Repubs, both are in the pockets of big business. They have turned the the U.S. into a third-world country and I see no hope (or change) as long as most of them remain in charge. Oh for a third party that can actually do something.

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Regressive taxation
Posted by: Sutter on Jul 23, 2009 9:30 AM   
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Taxing healthcare benefits is very regressive, as the average worker will be hit with payroll as well as income tax, an expense avoided by the wealthy. At 15.3%, the combined employer-employee tax will add $1,835 to the average $12,000 per year family plan, even before income tax. This is NOT change we need. We need to lower overall healthcare costs - that will only be achieved by limiting the obscene profits of the health insurance industry.

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public option
Posted by: allyourbasearebelongtous on Jul 23, 2009 1:11 PM   
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The only thing that is going to bring down the cost of health care is to have a robust (not crippled by the insurance industry lobbyists) public option. When the insurance companies have to start competing with a health care option that does not have the huge profiteering that they have going on within the administrative organization itself, they'll have to lower their premiums and other costs. As a non-medical mental health provider in private practice who has professional relationships with a variety of physicians, I can tell you that we are NOT the reason for the high cost of insurance in this country.

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Ask the experts
Posted by: johnwinthrop on Jul 23, 2009 2:58 PM   
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Unions have flopped. In the private sector they represent fewer than 10% of workers; several decades ago they represented over 25% of workers. Yet some paid hack at the Sheet Metal Workers, a union most people haven't heard about and know no one who belongs, threatens members of Congress who vote to tax, what? INCOME. how absurd. Unions against the income tax?

Heath care benefits paid for by the boss are imputed income which is taken off the employees' taxable income first; in other words it's a huge tax benefit, bigger than the writeoffs businesses take for ordinary and necessary expenses once adjusted income is calcualated. To make it simple, you would be taxed in a much higher bracket if not for this freeby. The boss could give you no health benefit, add the cash to your salary, and watch your tax bill soar.

The unions keep this nonsense up, along with Obama, who is an economic and legal illiterate despite his "Harvard" degree, and no employer will furnish health care. We all then will have Kathleen Sibelius handing us health care at government expense(govt is broke!) and terms.

Obama better move fast because the doctors, nurses and AARP aren't going to stay on the BamaWagon long once members of the professional associations realize what their bureaucrat DC staffs have bargained away with Obama and Emmanuel. This is a nightmare, and it has to be paid for.

The people who benefit from a service should always pay for it unless they are destitute. Well, people like the sheet metal workers who get excellent employer paid plan are not destitute.

Obama ducked the press question yesterday: What are you asking the American people to sacrifice. Like his predecessor worm, George W. Bush, Bush essentially said "nothing". At that point I said, throw this bum out.

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We Need the Pre- Reagan Tax Rates & The Great Tax Con Job ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Jul 23, 2009 12:32 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I think Obama finally took the health care tax off the table Wednesday ...

What is more important is that liberals and progressives start insisting that tax rates on income, capital gains and estates return to their Pre - Reagan levels ... If we never bring it up WHO WILL?

Here is an excellent article:

The Great Tax Con Job

by Thom Hartmann

"Republicans are using the T-word - taxes - to attack the Obama healthcare program. It's a strategy based in a lie.

A very small niche of America's uber-wealthy have pulled off what may well be the biggest con job in the history of our republic, and they did it in a startlingly brief 30 or so years. True, they spent over three billion dollars to make it happen, but the reward to them was in the hundreds of billions - and will continue to be.

As my friend and colleague Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks pointed out in a Daily Kos blog recently, billionaire Rupert Murdoch loses $50 million a year on the NY Post, billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife loses $2 to $3 million a year on the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, billionaire Philip Anschutz loses around $5 million a year on The Weekly Standard, and billionaire Sun Myung Moon has lost $2 to $3 billion on The Washington Times.

Why are these guys willing to lose so much money funding "conservative" media? Why do they bulk-buy every right-wing book that comes out to throw it to the top of the NY Times Bestseller list and then give away the copies to "subscribers" to their websites and publications? Why do they fund to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars a year money-hole "think tanks" like Heritage and Cato?

The answer is pretty straightforward. They do it because it buys them respectability, and gets their con job out there. Even though William Kristol's publication is a money-losing joke (with only 85,000 subscribers!), his association with the Standard was enough to get him on TV talk shows whenever he wants, and a column with The New York Times. The Washington Times catapulted Tony Blankley to stardom."

There is much, much more ... a definite must read ...

The Great Tax Con Job

Now if some professed liberal and progressive economists (hint; Dean Baker, Paul Krugman) would grow a pair they would start bringing this idea up ! Bring back the Pre-Reagan Tax Rates ! just might get the ball rolling on re instituting progressive taxation.

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Blue Dogs and Honest O
Posted by: aussidawg on Jul 23, 2009 12:45 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
"Barack Obama's victory in the presidential campaign was due, in part, to his promise to never tax health care benefits."

Well now...we have certainly seen from past experience that Obama's word is good as gold, right? And frankly, I have heard about all I can handle about Max Baucus. This guy is nothing more than a paid mouthpiece for the health insurance industry. Finally, Blue Dog Democrats are nothing but republicans with a deceptive name (imagine that!)

Any representative or senator who advocates taxing the benefits of those who are already struggling to put food on their tables or keep a roof over their heads over taxing the beneficiaries of the biggest rip-off in the history of this country, deserves a special place in the history books as being one of the most corrupt, evil, politicians to ever infect this already pathetically corrupt government.

These guys are fucking OUTRAGEOUS!!!!!

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They Rule...
Posted by: The Old Hippie on Jul 23, 2009 3:31 AM   
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If you really want to learn who rules...  Go here.
 

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DrBob
Posted by: ProfBob on Jul 23, 2009 3:54 AM   
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Where should the taxes come from to pay for the health plan? In Europe we pay a 25% value added tax on goods and services--and food is taxed. Should people with large families and illegal immigrants pay a VAT--they don't pay many other taxes. Or should the rich be taxed because we need large families to fight wars to protect the wealth of the rich? Or should we just borrow more from China and increase our nearly half a trillion dollars per year interest payments to our creditors? It will be paid for now or in the future.

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» DrBob: the answer is SOLIDARITY Posted by: Don Pablo

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Thank you for exposing the FRAUD that the Blue Dog Democrats are.
Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Jul 23, 2009 4:24 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Last year, the Democrats hounded Mccain for allowing health care benefits to be taxed. Now they, at least the Blue Dog Democrats anyway, are going to do the same thing and yet no outrage. Looking at the earlier comments where the Obamabots went out of their way to defend the Blue Dog Democrats even when others pointed out that they were even more dangerous than even the Republicans themselves, here's how I see it. Give them two poison pills that are identical except that one is coated red and the other is coated blue and watch them fall for the blue one. The Blue Dog Democrats are doing nothing but SOILING the party. No wonder Wall $treet is laughing at us all on their ways to the bank. With the way the Blue Doggies in Congress are playing kissyface with Wall $treet and the wealthy elite even more than in previous Congressional terms, the GOP will have no problem playing the "populist card" and gutting the Democrats like trout in 2010 and 2012. They can and will point out their reversal in promising not to tax health care benefits. No wonder single payer is off the table. Just keep letting Big Insurance get richer and raise taxes against health care benefits of the working class and watch more of that money slip out of our hands into more wars and bailouts for Wall $treet. Our children and future generations will HATE US when they are faced having to clean up the debt that our corrupt pols chose to leave them thanks to the ignorant Joe the Plumber Republicans and Obamabot DemoRATs who voted in these kinds of weasels election after election ! Additionally, the sweetheart civilians overseas who will be faced with losing their homes and lives all because of all this reckless war spending from raising taxes on the working class here at home will also HATE US for generations to come !

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subsidies for health care scams
Posted by: littlepitcher on Jul 23, 2009 5:44 AM   
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Obama's most recent obamination is requiring health insurance policies for low-income workers. The policies currently available to fast food workers etc. don't kick in until a year on the job. At that point, a pre-existing condition exclusion may take another two years to surmount. Meantime, the policies are costly and coverage is minimal.
Subsidizing these, and other insurance scammeisters is but one of the aims of Congressional crooks. A secondary subsidy exists for medical equipment suppliers who will loot the new health care plan.

A plan designed along the lines of the Canadian, Aussie, and Kiwi plans is optimal. These give Congressional-style coverage at moderate cost to the insured.

If Obama manages to pull off this travesty and charge us for non-coverage, we need a Constitutional amendment which will pay Congress at half the minimum wage, like the restaurant servers they rule, and which will put them on identical benefits programs. If it's good enough for the least of us, it's good enough for them.

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Why am I not surprised?
Posted by: Lex Thomas on Jul 23, 2009 6:28 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Every two weeks my doctor who's an uncle receives plenty of junk mail from the AMA and his Republican congressman. He once asked the AMA about his concern about Congress and Obama open to taxing healthcare benefits a few weeks ago and the AMA responded with a "that's the way business has to be done" response. My blue dog congressman also sends us plenty of spam mails, snail and electronic wise. I have noticed similarities in the ways both the Republicans and Blue Dog Democrats communicate with their constituents. Taxes is where they love to scare their constituents the most. Ask them where they're going to get the money to pay for whatever and they avoid answering the question as best as possible. Any time they're ready to raise taxes where they think fewer people will pay attention, they'll act like a typical business freak and argue with a response similar to "in order to continue serving you we'll have to raise the fees just a little but you'll get more". Yeah right ! Wall Street can count on the Republicans and the Blue Dog Democrats to team up and flip the poor voters out with their middle finger.

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If we continue on this path, they will soon tax the very air we breathe!!!
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Jul 23, 2009 8:35 AM   
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Please wake-up, sheeple!

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» Cap and Breathe Posted by: johnwinthrop

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Ralph Nader was right
Posted by: sharonsylvie on Jul 23, 2009 8:44 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
There is very little difference between the two parties. Although the Dems are a bit saner than the Repubs, both are in the pockets of big business. They have turned the the U.S. into a third-world country and I see no hope (or change) as long as most of them remain in charge. Oh for a third party that can actually do something.

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» RE: alph Nader was right Posted by: maxpayne

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Regressive taxation
Posted by: Sutter on Jul 23, 2009 9:30 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Taxing healthcare benefits is very regressive, as the average worker will be hit with payroll as well as income tax, an expense avoided by the wealthy. At 15.3%, the combined employer-employee tax will add $1,835 to the average $12,000 per year family plan, even before income tax. This is NOT change we need. We need to lower overall healthcare costs - that will only be achieved by limiting the obscene profits of the health insurance industry.

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» RE: egressive taxation Posted by: JSquercia
» See your accountant Posted by: johnwinthrop

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public option
Posted by: allyourbasearebelongtous on Jul 23, 2009 1:11 PM   
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The only thing that is going to bring down the cost of health care is to have a robust (not crippled by the insurance industry lobbyists) public option. When the insurance companies have to start competing with a health care option that does not have the huge profiteering that they have going on within the administrative organization itself, they'll have to lower their premiums and other costs. As a non-medical mental health provider in private practice who has professional relationships with a variety of physicians, I can tell you that we are NOT the reason for the high cost of insurance in this country.

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Posted by: johnwinthrop on Jul 23, 2009 2:58 PM   
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Unions have flopped. In the private sector they represent fewer than 10% of workers; several decades ago they represented over 25% of workers. Yet some paid hack at the Sheet Metal Workers, a union most people haven't heard about and know no one who belongs, threatens members of Congress who vote to tax, what? INCOME. how absurd. Unions against the income tax?

Heath care benefits paid for by the boss are imputed income which is taken off the employees' taxable income first; in other words it's a huge tax benefit, bigger than the writeoffs businesses take for ordinary and necessary expenses once adjusted income is calcualated. To make it simple, you would be taxed in a much higher bracket if not for this freeby. The boss could give you no health benefit, add the cash to your salary, and watch your tax bill soar.

The unions keep this nonsense up, along with Obama, who is an economic and legal illiterate despite his "Harvard" degree, and no employer will furnish health care. We all then will have Kathleen Sibelius handing us health care at government expense(govt is broke!) and terms.

Obama better move fast because the doctors, nurses and AARP aren't going to stay on the BamaWagon long once members of the professional associations realize what their bureaucrat DC staffs have bargained away with Obama and Emmanuel. This is a nightmare, and it has to be paid for.

The people who benefit from a service should always pay for it unless they are destitute. Well, people like the sheet metal workers who get excellent employer paid plan are not destitute.

Obama ducked the press question yesterday: What are you asking the American people to sacrifice. Like his predecessor worm, George W. Bush, Bush essentially said "nothing". At that point I said, throw this bum out.

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Posted by: mnstra on Jul 25, 2009 7:51 AM   
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