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Republicans Will Be Toast in 2010 If the Dems Pass Health Reform, and They Know It
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If President Barack Obama succeeds in signing a major health care reform bill into law -- one that provides a public plan for people currently priced out of the system -- he will achieve what at least three presidents before him had hoped for, and failed to do. And he will likely deprive the Republican minority in Congress from anything approaching a comeback in the 2010 midterm elections.
However, if health care reform does not pass early in Obama's term, the Democrats will likely face midterm elections amid rising unemployment figures with a record of having passed legislation characterized as "bailouts" for megabanks and large corporations -- bills whose benefits to the economy have little impact on the person who has already lost a job. So GOP leaders are focused like a laser beam on stopping health-care reform in its tracks.
As Congress cleared two major hurdles last week toward agreement on the provisions in such a bill, the Republican pique approached a new level of shrillness.
Just as two committees in the House of Representatives passed a jointly crafted bill for a future floor vote, and an important Senate committee passed a version that is reconcilable with the House bill, Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., showed the GOP hand. On a conference call with a group of right-wing operatives, according to Politco's Ben Smith, DeMint said, "If we're able to stop Obama on this, it will be his Waterloo. It will break him." (He was talking to members of Conservatives for Patients' Rights, some of the people sponsoring those right-wing tea-bag protests.)
Appearing on Meet the Press on Sunday, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., backpedaled a bit when confronted with DeMint's comments. "Look, my goal is not to stop the president," McConnell told host David Gregory. "My goal is to get the right kind of health care for America. And the direction in which the president and the majority in the House and Senate want to take this is the wrong direction. What we hope to do is to have enough time here for people to truly understand what's going on."
By "enough time," what McConnell really meant, say many observers, was "enough time" to kill the bill. Any legislation as complicated as health care reform relies on the buy-in of many congressional committees and competing interests.
Democrats still have a ways to go in getting a final bill ready for passage in both the House and Senate. But last week's committee votes, combined with the seal of approval for the House bill from the powerful American Medical Association (which long opposed any sort of public option), as well as the progressive coalition known as Health Care for America Now, apparently put the fear of God into Republicans who, for the first time, saw a possibility that Obama could win this major prize.
Yet, because of the numbers of stakeholders and committees it takes to craft a final bill, the longer the process drags on, the more likely it is that those who signed on early will peel off before a bill gets to the floor, where the Republicans do not have the votes to stop passage.
McConnell's "enough time" act derives from the good-cop script on health care reform. But for those unconvinced by a facsimile of concern for "getting it right," there's the bad-cop script from which DeMint and Republican Party Chairman Michael Steele are reading. It's a script written during the election by leaders of the far right -- by people like Howard Phillips of the U.S. Constitution Party -- who hope to scare the American people into believing that Obama is un-American in the literal and figurative sense and that his health-care plan is just a nefarious scheme to remake America's mighty capitalist system into something foreign and evil.
It's a narrative designed for those old enough to remember the Cold War, i.e., people old enough to be eligible for an AARP membership card. (You're sent an offer on your 50th birthday.) And older people tend to worry far more about health care than do the young.
Reviving a theme from the presidential campaign, Steele referred to the president's plan as "socialist" and, according to the Associated Press, said "the president, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and key congressional committee chairmen are part of a 'cabal'."
In a sign of desperation, Steele, who is supposed to represent the mainstream establishment party, is singing from the same hymnal as such discredited conspiracy theorists as former U.N. Ambassador Alan Keyes (who was defeated by Obama in his 2004 bid for a U.S. Senate seat), who has launched a lawsuit (with the help of some compromised lawyers, according to the Washington Independent's David Weigel) challenging the validity of the president's birth certificate.
This article has been corrected: "The article originally said that all three House committees had passed the health care bill out of committee. In fact, only two have -- the Energy committee has delayed its vote.
Adele M. Stan AlterNet's acting Washington bureau chief.
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The Republican Party is the Party of Obstruction and Destruction
Posted by: mmckinl on Jul 21, 2009 1:25 AM
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Posted by: mmckinl on Jul 21, 2009 1:25 AM
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And there is no doubt that they want not just to derail health care reform but destroy Obama and the Democrats in the process.
And thanks to Obama's abhorrence of ever possible offending anyone at any time, they have a good shot to derail health care, destroy Obama and render the Democrats into a party divided and impotent.
Rahm Emmanuel who was supposed to be twisting arms has twisted the Democratic efforts into a pretzel. First trying to shill insurers, then Big Pharma, then hospitals, then the AMA ... Emmanuel has trashed most of the leverage the Party had to affect reform.
Obama may be a great manager but he has been a terrible leader. The Republicans should be on their knees begging for mercy. Instead they are in a strong position to render health care reform almost meaningless if not kill it out right.
Obama had better learn that to make an omelet you have to break some eggs and that to get anything substantial in Washington DC you have to break some legs. In Washington DC nice guys don't finish last, they don't finish at all ~ period.
And thanks to Obama's abhorrence of ever possible offending anyone at any time, they have a good shot to derail health care, destroy Obama and render the Democrats into a party divided and impotent.
Rahm Emmanuel who was supposed to be twisting arms has twisted the Democratic efforts into a pretzel. First trying to shill insurers, then Big Pharma, then hospitals, then the AMA ... Emmanuel has trashed most of the leverage the Party had to affect reform.
Obama may be a great manager but he has been a terrible leader. The Republicans should be on their knees begging for mercy. Instead they are in a strong position to render health care reform almost meaningless if not kill it out right.
Obama had better learn that to make an omelet you have to break some eggs and that to get anything substantial in Washington DC you have to break some legs. In Washington DC nice guys don't finish last, they don't finish at all ~ period.
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» Make that both parties.
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We don't need representatives in Congress who don't represent us.
Posted by: zrants on Jul 21, 2009 1:44 AM
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Posted by: zrants on Jul 21, 2009 1:44 AM
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The news has been good lately. Let's hope the bill that passes is the one we need to solve the problems. To anyone who thinks they know more than the American people about what we need - we don't need you representing us, so good luck with your new career.
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Not if it's a rotten plan
Posted by: Perry Logan on Jul 21, 2009 3:22 AM
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Jul 21, 2009 3:22 AM
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I figure it a little differently.
In case you hadn't noticed, Barack Obama is a seriously rotten President.
It stands to reason his health-care plan will be equally rotten.
If the Democrats' halfassed plan is implemented, both health care costs and taxes will rise and people won't get what they wanted. In the words of blogger Joe Cannon, the plan will become vastly unpopular.
At some point in the 2014-2020 period, a Republican congress will vote Obama's scheme out of existence. For decades afterward, conservatives will crow: "Well, we tried socialized medicine and it didn't work.'" :(
In case you hadn't noticed, Barack Obama is a seriously rotten President.
It stands to reason his health-care plan will be equally rotten.
If the Democrats' halfassed plan is implemented, both health care costs and taxes will rise and people won't get what they wanted. In the words of blogger Joe Cannon, the plan will become vastly unpopular.
At some point in the 2014-2020 period, a Republican congress will vote Obama's scheme out of existence. For decades afterward, conservatives will crow: "Well, we tried socialized medicine and it didn't work.'" :(
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» RE: Not if it's a rotten plan
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» It's not the Rethug's, its the Blue Dog A-holes
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» RE: It's not the Rethug's, its the Blue Dog A-holes
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» RE: Not if it's a rotten plan
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» RE: Not if it's a rotten plan
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» RE: Not if it's a rotten plan
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» RE: Not if it's a rotten plan
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» YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY TOTALLY WRONG. I HAVE NO IDEA HOW YOU GOT
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» Cost of health care
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The GOP's worst nightmare
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jul 21, 2009 3:39 AM
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Jul 21, 2009 3:39 AM
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The actions of the elected representatives of the Republican party in trying to derail health care reform that would benefit all Americans should come as no surprise to those with even a Freshman knowledge of American history.
The message they are sending is the same one they have been sending since the Grant administration nearly a century-and-a-hald ago:
FUCK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
As this article makes poignantly clear, there only hope for survival is the failure of the Obama administration and, thus, the people they are sworn to represent.
It seems that their propaganda blitz in recent weeks is beginning to work. Polls make clear that the electorate is starting to be wary of the whole idea. They must really hate us.
Walter Cronkite 1916-2009
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
The message they are sending is the same one they have been sending since the Grant administration nearly a century-and-a-hald ago:
FUCK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
As this article makes poignantly clear, there only hope for survival is the failure of the Obama administration and, thus, the people they are sworn to represent.
It seems that their propaganda blitz in recent weeks is beginning to work. Polls make clear that the electorate is starting to be wary of the whole idea. They must really hate us.
Walter Cronkite 1916-2009
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
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» The General Welfare Of the People ...
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» RE: The General Welfare Of the People ...
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» I have Heathcare ...
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» RE: I have Heathcare ...
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» RE: I have Heathcare ...
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» Expensive and underperforming
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» RE: Fuck the American People
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» The Republicans ARE obstructionists!
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» Last I recall Don't the Democrats have 60 Votes
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» Are you still drunk?
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» RE: Last I recall Don't the Democrats have 60 Votes
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» RE: The Republicans ARE obstructionists!
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Like Heron in Your Backyard Fish Pond
Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars on Jul 21, 2009 3:40 AM
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Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars on Jul 21, 2009 3:40 AM
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Last I Recall The Democrats Have 60 Votes so If this Heathcare bill was so bad ass (with other things like TAPR I and II, Cap and Trade, ect...) then what are the Democrats waiting for? The GOP is down to scarecrow status however the balking crows of the Moonbat-Obama-Bot left are rapping there Prius' around a pole to blame the nearest Republican becuase it is the in thing to do.
You guys claim to be smarter than this and if you place a "fake" Heron next to your Fish Pond the Herons will just keep it moving becuase they tend to eat alone.
You guys claim to be smarter than this and if you place a "fake" Heron next to your Fish Pond the Herons will just keep it moving becuase they tend to eat alone.
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It's only money
Posted by: progressive-life on Jul 21, 2009 4:20 AM
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Posted by: progressive-life on Jul 21, 2009 4:20 AM
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it's a long shot if Obama gets his healthcare reform passed and if he does it will be his downfall and that of the spending for all democrats , not the down fall of the other GOP criminals! Services and quality will decline. More money for less - seems to be the democrat way! When Americans see how this falls out democrats are in trouble.
Obama has grown our deficit to almost $1.7 trillion. Triple what it was under Bush and did it in just 6 months! The CBO forcasts that it will be another $1.1 trillion next year! Our national debt is now over $11 trillion!!!!
Considering what his healthcare will cost passing it will be a deal breaker - which is why more dems are coming out against it!
Obama has grown our deficit to almost $1.7 trillion. Triple what it was under Bush and did it in just 6 months! The CBO forcasts that it will be another $1.1 trillion next year! Our national debt is now over $11 trillion!!!!
Considering what his healthcare will cost passing it will be a deal breaker - which is why more dems are coming out against it!
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» You're spouting wildly misinformed partisan BS
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» RE: You're spouting wildly misinformed partisan BS
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» Are you really so dim?
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» RE: Are you really so dim?
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» RE: It's only money That's true
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» Obama - fix the problem, dont make it worse
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» RE: Obama - fix the problem, dont make it worse
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» RE: It's only money That's true
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» RE: On the books
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» RE: On the books
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» simple solution: get rid of our standing army
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» Too bad Barry won't do it.
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» The Current System is the Worst in the Developed World
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Good Luck With The Bill
Posted by: Jaipurr on Jul 21, 2009 4:34 AM
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Posted by: Jaipurr on Jul 21, 2009 4:34 AM
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As a Brit who loves the USA, I just wanted to wish you all good luck with an effective bill, granting health care to those in need, rather than those with the money to buy it.
In the UK we have had a National Health Service for 60 years plus and despite some hiccups occasionally, it is a wonderful system. I am speaking as someone with serious heart disease and diabetes, accordingly unable to work and totally unable to pay for the level of care I require. This free health service has proved a literal life-saver for me and there must be many, many people in your great country in equal need. Our system was introduced by a Socialist government and there are still many rich capitalists in the UK who would love to return it to the "free?-market."
Support a system free at the point of need. You will never regret it and your lives will be enriched by the knowledge that you and your families will be able to receive medical attention, no matter what your financial circumstances.
Don't let this be destroyed by those whose only incentive is greed and self-interest.
Good luck America.
In the UK we have had a National Health Service for 60 years plus and despite some hiccups occasionally, it is a wonderful system. I am speaking as someone with serious heart disease and diabetes, accordingly unable to work and totally unable to pay for the level of care I require. This free health service has proved a literal life-saver for me and there must be many, many people in your great country in equal need. Our system was introduced by a Socialist government and there are still many rich capitalists in the UK who would love to return it to the "free?-market."
Support a system free at the point of need. You will never regret it and your lives will be enriched by the knowledge that you and your families will be able to receive medical attention, no matter what your financial circumstances.
Don't let this be destroyed by those whose only incentive is greed and self-interest.
Good luck America.
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» Send Me to France. Each country is different.
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» RE: Maybe it's time...
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» Expensive is as expensive does
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Against prosperity for all
Posted by: cberkland on Jul 21, 2009 4:47 AM
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Posted by: cberkland on Jul 21, 2009 4:47 AM
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The conservative agenda has very obviously been to make the already rich even richer and everyone else barely able to keep their heads above water. They know that if enough Americans finally come to realize that, they are history. No more fooling the electorate with fake "cowboys" like Reagan, W and Palin to get elected. It will be over. They know it. They are running scared. I love it.
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Democrats? They ain't doing jack shit correct on anything. They suck just like the Republicans.
Posted by: FULLPROOF BULLETPROOF on Jul 21, 2009 5:03 AM
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It doesn't matter which party wins next year we're all fucked. Hell, you can't even tell that the Democrats have a supermajority by the way they're behaving. It would almost look like the Republicans were in charge. The Democrats had a perfect chance to pass single payer health care and they fucked up as well.
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» Democrats?
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» RE: Democrats?
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» RE: Democrats?
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» Use your brain
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» Yeah foreverhope. Just invent more excuses to "defend" the Democrats' bad behavior.
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» sorry Jennifer
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» foreverDENIAL would love to lie and mislead.
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» RE: Democrats? They ain't doing jack shit correct on anything. They suck just like the Republicans.
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» f**k the complaining - run for office yourself
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» And then who will you vote for?
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» Hurricane Hugo will still invent an excuse to support and campaign for Barry boy.
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» scared no one will listen to you long enough
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» Scared to face the fact that more liberals and independents are leaving the Obama building even as
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» Like Heron in Your Backyard Fish Pond pt II
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» Oh, wise ones! Tell the Republicans. They hate Obama, hate his health plan, call it socialism, say
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» Better to have no care than Obamacare dumb fuck !
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Both Parties at DC are a Puppet Joke & so is this article
Posted by: PointMan on Jul 21, 2009 5:17 AM
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Posted by: PointMan on Jul 21, 2009 5:17 AM
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Genuine health care reform is about as real as the sugar-plum fairy. Likewise for "conservatives" that bloated up the government by over 50% larger in less than 8 years as they prosecuted bogus "war on terror", promoted the meltdown and then the start of criminal Wall St. Bailouts that stooge Obama continued as a supposed "progressive" measure.
Anyone that believes either party is more than a sock-puppet for police state corporate felons is delusional.
Anyone that believes either party is more than a sock-puppet for police state corporate felons is delusional.
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» Dead-on right, friend
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We need Health Care for all and we need it now. I have friends in the UK and
Posted by: avidAmerican on Jul 21, 2009 5:21 AM
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Posted by: avidAmerican on Jul 21, 2009 5:21 AM
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in Canada. They are totally disgusted with the lies being told by the Republicants just because they don't want to do anything to help the American People. The ones who pay their wages, their Health Insurance (while they deny it to us), and their Retirement funds, which many of Americans are losing. UK and Canada have great Health Insurance Systems, and the actors and actresses that the Rs hire to try to discredit their system is a slap in the face to all Americans. The Rs let us pay for their Health Insurance, but they think we are not worthy of Health Insurance. The Rs are sipping the moonshine if they think President Obama will be toast. What a laugh. It's the Rs who will be toast; after all they are the ones who have not lifted a single finger to help the American People. Most Rs have taken money from the Insurance Companies, that is the real reason they are fighting insurance for the rest of us. They are being paid to stop the Health Insurance Plan for the rest of us, the ones they treat as peons, not worthy of any kind of help. The Stimulus is not a failure either, just another Republicant lie. 10% of it has been enacted so far. Anyone with an ounce of brains knows that is not enough to declare a failure. We will be telling several more Rs good-bye next election. Funny how they can't see that their numbers in congress are dwindling; they should be able to figure out that THEY are the big failures. We've already had 8 years of proof that they can't govern. Don't forget that most of the debt was added by the Rs long before President Obama ever came on the scene. The Republicants are so busy trying to make us all fail; which shows how much they hate the American People.
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» Why Do You Lie?
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» What liberals are you talking about?
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We're already Broke Obama
Posted by: johnwinthrop on Jul 21, 2009 5:47 AM
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1. Medicare and Medicaid, our current socialized medical programs, are going broke. Medicaid in part is financed by states. The states are broke. There is no reasonable economist who thinks we will have an economic recovery until at least 2015.
2.The respected CBO has claimed Obama's plan which would insure tens of millions of uninsured(although there is serious dispute about how many Americans are in fact uninsured) is financially broke. We will add to our swollen deficit, an action that does have consequences for real working people, and is not merely an accounting entry.
3. Regardless of whether Obamacare passes or not, the nation will suffer a tsunami of inflation and devaluation of the dollar within two years.
4. The price of everything, including healthcare, either w/Obamacare or without it, will rocket to astronomic heights. Bernankebucks will no longer be accepted by our trading partners and oil suppliers. Shock, shock, gullible Alternetters, even with cap and trade, the USA will use massive amounts of gasoline for many many years.
5.And it won't be cheap. And the cost of fuel and the worthlessness of the dollar thanks to the Smooth One and his Bar Mitzvah co-presenter, Bernanke, is inevitable. So healthcare will be a luxury and not a "right", regardless of whether this Little Man's Little Health Bill passes or not.
6. Goshy goo, Baracky will have to practice law in a few years after he's driven from office like Jimmy "lust in my heart" Carter. He doesn't know how to do that. Oh well, maybe Barack the Hawaiian will get a TARP grant?
2.The respected CBO has claimed Obama's plan which would insure tens of millions of uninsured(although there is serious dispute about how many Americans are in fact uninsured) is financially broke. We will add to our swollen deficit, an action that does have consequences for real working people, and is not merely an accounting entry.
3. Regardless of whether Obamacare passes or not, the nation will suffer a tsunami of inflation and devaluation of the dollar within two years.
4. The price of everything, including healthcare, either w/Obamacare or without it, will rocket to astronomic heights. Bernankebucks will no longer be accepted by our trading partners and oil suppliers. Shock, shock, gullible Alternetters, even with cap and trade, the USA will use massive amounts of gasoline for many many years.
5.And it won't be cheap. And the cost of fuel and the worthlessness of the dollar thanks to the Smooth One and his Bar Mitzvah co-presenter, Bernanke, is inevitable. So healthcare will be a luxury and not a "right", regardless of whether this Little Man's Little Health Bill passes or not.
6. Goshy goo, Baracky will have to practice law in a few years after he's driven from office like Jimmy "lust in my heart" Carter. He doesn't know how to do that. Oh well, maybe Barack the Hawaiian will get a TARP grant?
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» Obama, it's your stop!
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» Who is this silly john winthrop who says nothing with any sense?
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» A flash of light behind the cornea
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» Like All Celebrities (except for George W), I Have Been In Syntax Rehab.
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» US military spending is almost $700 billion/year
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» True but is Barry planning to REDUCE it at all? NOPE, just more increases in US mil spending !
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» Are You Attacking the Only Effective Employment Program Our Leader Has?
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» Cue up CSNY: Back to the Garden
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A flawed and a failed concept.
Posted by: jstuv on Jul 21, 2009 6:25 AM
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It has been proven that Republican Political Party philosophy is a flawed and a failed concept.
Under Republicanism; In order to maximize profit, all labor will be so minimally compensated that workers will be practically slaves. Wealth can only be inherited, as it will not be taxed. The small elitist base continually shrinks. Elections would be perfunctory, as the outcome will already be determined.
By definition, the average Republican Party voter has below average intelligence.
a) Half of all humanity has a below average IQ.
b) Predominantly Republican states have below average IQs.
c) By definition, the average Republican Party voter has below average intelligence.
d) In American History, the contemporary Republican philosophy is a failed concept.
e) History has shown that implemented Republican philosophy leads to failure.
Under Republicanism; In order to maximize profit, all labor will be so minimally compensated that workers will be practically slaves. Wealth can only be inherited, as it will not be taxed. The small elitist base continually shrinks. Elections would be perfunctory, as the outcome will already be determined.
By definition, the average Republican Party voter has below average intelligence.
a) Half of all humanity has a below average IQ.
b) Predominantly Republican states have below average IQs.
c) By definition, the average Republican Party voter has below average intelligence.
d) In American History, the contemporary Republican philosophy is a failed concept.
e) History has shown that implemented Republican philosophy leads to failure.
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» Lil Wayne or Obama? Let's See???????????
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No way, no how
Posted by: aazippo5 on Jul 21, 2009 6:56 AM
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Problem is, it will never happen. The medical lobbyists have all the lawmakers in their hip pockets, bought and paid for! There is just too much money at stake in the private sector to let this happen!
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About the money
Posted by: dongarb on Jul 21, 2009 7:04 AM
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Posted by: dongarb on Jul 21, 2009 7:04 AM
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Whenever powerful groups of sociopaths and psychopaths are fighting hard to get their way, people will always say "It's all about the money."
I believe that's a distraction. I always ask myself in these situations (which come up more and more often) is it actually more about the power?
Let's say you're a progressive loud mouth liberal who rocks the system by spreading truth and other dangerous things. Or just a disadvantaged poor person. You come down with a broken leg, or kidney stones, or clogged arteries. Where you gonna find the hundred grand you need to stay alive?
Having the power of life and death over the great mass of slaves is the ultimate wet dream for the psychopaths. That's what they want to hang onto, the money is secondary.
I believe that's a distraction. I always ask myself in these situations (which come up more and more often) is it actually more about the power?
Let's say you're a progressive loud mouth liberal who rocks the system by spreading truth and other dangerous things. Or just a disadvantaged poor person. You come down with a broken leg, or kidney stones, or clogged arteries. Where you gonna find the hundred grand you need to stay alive?
Having the power of life and death over the great mass of slaves is the ultimate wet dream for the psychopaths. That's what they want to hang onto, the money is secondary.
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» Psychoanalyze This.
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» You said...
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Get the blue dogs on a choke chain!
Posted by: Collielady on Jul 21, 2009 7:06 AM
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Yes, the Democrats' future success hinges on health care, but the Blue Dogs seem to think they will weather the next election. Get them on a tight leash!
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» RE: Get the blue dogs on a choke chain! How, pray tell? Override the voters in their very districts?
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Why trust the Democrats on anything? I'm getting fed up and think it's time to let them go.
Posted by: Ranjit Kumar on Jul 21, 2009 7:16 AM
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I've been holding my patience on this party for years and I have never seen this party with so much of a strong majority that they still go out of their way to blame the Republicans. Why are you expecting the Democrats to get anything done right this time when most of them have been in power so long that they don't care to? For all the complaining the Democratic Party has done about the "pro-lifers" on Terri Schiavo, I find it seriously disturbing that most people on these sites want to Terri Schiavo-ize the Democratic Party rather than give other parties a chance to fight for progressive causes or at least parts thereof. I'll bet Alternet $50 trillion dollars that exactly one year from now, they will be posting articles begging us to "vote Democrat or the Republicans will botch health care and bring back more wars" or other retarded slogans such as "if you don't vote Democrats, the Republicans will take over and it will be the end of the world as we know it". If a third party comes up we'll be intimidated with nonsense such as "a vote for independent is a vote for republicans". So last year, we went through all this trouble electing Obama and giving the Democrats a filibuster proof majority and yet all we get is crapshoot at best. If that's not insulting enough, I'm then told to "make them do it" ? So what do we elect Democrats for? To make them do it?? California is a failed state for this reason alone and I would hate to see the rest of this country fail like that state. Go right ahead. Ask for some poor slobs to donate and keep the corporate cash flowing and then keep lying to them to pull a Terri Schiavo for the Democratic Party. I've had enough of this party and am pulling the plug. I'm switching my registration to independent.
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OBAMA REMAINS TRANSFORMATIONAL
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Change is what we voted for and change is what we will get.
THIS PRESIDENT IS A TRANSFORMATIONAL FIGURE IN MANY WAYS
The Republicans will take decades to recover
Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa
THIS PRESIDENT IS A TRANSFORMATIONAL FIGURE IN MANY WAYS
The Republicans will take decades to recover
Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa
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» TO MINORITY STATUS ! LOL !
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Dem mindset.
Posted by: Collielady on Jul 21, 2009 7:24 AM
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If the Repubs had 60 Senate seats the Dems would sit in defeat of everything. Now we find ourselves with this chance of a lifetime to get things done, but the Dems behave as if they're the minority party.
Please get a spine, Congress! Take charge, steamroll the opposition (because the country isn't with them) and change the country!
Please get a spine, Congress! Take charge, steamroll the opposition (because the country isn't with them) and change the country!
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Clueless commentary
Posted by: leafsong1 on Jul 21, 2009 7:53 AM
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I hope the author will stop writing and start reading so that he can join us in the real world. Here, elections are not decided on actual issues, but by corrupt transfers of wealth. Corporations manipulate both the government and the press through graft, and the people (like this author) are far too ignorant to see through it.
If health care reform is passed? Surely the author is not so idiotic that he thinks it makes no difference what that "reform" looks like? The Democrats, with Obama's passive support, have already doomed any chance of meaningful reform. "Reform" will pass, and it will be a huge boondoggle to put money into the pockets of the rich, just like every other piece of crap legislation that comes out of US government these days. There will be no adverse consequences for the politicians, D or R, at least none rising from an "election." If media buys can't cover it up, election rigging will. If some crook gets defeated, he will be kicked upstairs to a cushy and lucrative position in lobbying or "advising," and both parties will see to it that he is replaced by another crook. Meanwhile, a vast army of professional liars and drewling idiots (no telling where this author lands) will try to tell us that there is a heroic narrative of political struggle involved with consequences that we should care about. Get a clue.
If health care reform is passed? Surely the author is not so idiotic that he thinks it makes no difference what that "reform" looks like? The Democrats, with Obama's passive support, have already doomed any chance of meaningful reform. "Reform" will pass, and it will be a huge boondoggle to put money into the pockets of the rich, just like every other piece of crap legislation that comes out of US government these days. There will be no adverse consequences for the politicians, D or R, at least none rising from an "election." If media buys can't cover it up, election rigging will. If some crook gets defeated, he will be kicked upstairs to a cushy and lucrative position in lobbying or "advising," and both parties will see to it that he is replaced by another crook. Meanwhile, a vast army of professional liars and drewling idiots (no telling where this author lands) will try to tell us that there is a heroic narrative of political struggle involved with consequences that we should care about. Get a clue.
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rgd
Posted by: rgd on Jul 21, 2009 8:04 AM
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Your wrong Adele. Your article is pure speculation. Republicans have no power of voting in the congress. Democrats have all the votes. Clinton had the same arrangment back in the early ninties and he couldn't get it done either.( Look at what Clinton "fixed" in the meantime while we were whinning about healthcare.) Obama has plans to reform nothing but the way business is done. He is wrapping up what the previous lap-dog presidents got started.
And who says just because they pass a health care bill it will be a good one and what is it going to cost people? Do you really think he is going to make those making over 250K a year pay? When are people going to put the petty Dem/Rep-- my side is better than your side childish behavior aside and realize that we are all on the same losing side. This issue is another cover for what the "masters" are really doing. If we don't stop them at Wall St. then the big pharma. companies will provide us with all the health care we want.
And who says just because they pass a health care bill it will be a good one and what is it going to cost people? Do you really think he is going to make those making over 250K a year pay? When are people going to put the petty Dem/Rep-- my side is better than your side childish behavior aside and realize that we are all on the same losing side. This issue is another cover for what the "masters" are really doing. If we don't stop them at Wall St. then the big pharma. companies will provide us with all the health care we want.
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healthcare
Posted by: terry388 on Jul 21, 2009 8:17 AM
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Americans are being brainwashed into believing that public health-care is bad. Well look at the lousy system you have now in the US. It is expensive, unaffordable which results in many bankruptcies. If public health is bad , I shudder to think how to categorize the US system.
Wake up and join to the rest of the civilized work. Health-care is a public good and should not be to the dictates of the market place.
Wake up and join to the rest of the civilized work. Health-care is a public good and should not be to the dictates of the market place.
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Federal Hospital Service Contract Providers
Posted by: Kimberly on Jul 21, 2009 8:26 AM
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are paid to systematically DENY Covered Claims T42CFR417.1 grievance procedure T18CFR242CRIME.
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The Anti-Dumping Statute is Enforced [ 1999 still pending 2009 racketeering T42CFR417.1 Alternate Dispute Resolution T18CFR242CRIME ] Jointly by the Health Care Financing Administration ( HCFA ) and the Office of Inspector General ( OIG ) of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services ( HHS ).
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ANTI-TRUST ~ October 21 1998 OIG Issues Guidance on Volentary Disclosure of Health Care Fraud ~ usdoj.gov usao eousa foia_reading_room usam title9 crm00983.htm
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1998 - The HHS/OIG continues to work with the ( AOA ) Administration on Aging, ( HCFA ) Health Care Finance Administration, and the American Association of Retired Persons ( AARP ) to develop an Outreach Campaign to Educate Beneficiaries [ Entitled Individuals with Existing Federal Hospital Insurance Benefits ] and those who work with the Elderly to recognize Fraud and Abuse and to report it appropriately [ T42sec417.1 government grievance procedure T18CFR1518CRIME, Anti-dumping violation and anti-kickback violation, SSA 1128b misprison of a felony ]. This campaign will be fully "launched" in 1999.
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ANTI-TRUST ~ State of Michigan ALLOWING T18CFR286CRIME Federal HMO - HAPCORP.ORG to harm 42CFR438.704 their Covered Individuals T42CFR417.1 Citizens of Michigan, to force ( fraud by fright, white collar crime ) illegal HCFA State OFIS Medicaid kickback conversion - RICO
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According to the Detroit News, Between 1999 & 2001 Michigan's Medicaid clientele ballooned [ HHS T42CFR417.1 systematic denial of Existing Federal T42CFR409.33 Insurance - induced forfiture | $25,000 Anti-Dumping Violation, to force - fraud by fright - illegal Medicaid kickback T42CFR409.33 conversion ] to 1.25 million from 1 million, at a cost [ 42CFR438.704 ] of approximately $6,000 on each Medicaid Reciepent. The Detroit News stated according to Paul Rienhart " a Medicaid Expert " in The State Budget Office of Michigan, says
HCFA - OFIS Medicaid consumed 8% of Michigan's General Funds in 1998.
HCFA - OFIS Medicaid will [ T42CFR417.1 ] consume 32 % of the General Fund budget by 2004.
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The practice [ 1998 HHS OIG VOLENTARY DISCLOUSURE FOR PROVIDERS T42CFR417.1 - RICO - Alternate Dispute Resolution T18CFR1518CRIME,fully launched in 1999 ] of " post-claims underwriting," which occurs when insurance companies [ Federal HMO Hospital Service Contract Providers ] cancel INDIVIDUAL health insurance policies [ T42CFR417.1 systematic denial of existing Federal T42CFR409.33 Insurance to force illegal HCFA State OFIS Medicaid Kickback T42CFR409.33 conversion ] after providers submit claims for [ T42CFR409.33 Post-Hospital Extended Care Services ] medical services.
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TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 13 > § 242 Prev | Next § 242. Deprivation of rights under color of law - Alternate Dispute Resolution T42CFR417.1 systematic denial of covered Post-hospital extended care claims racketeering by DOJ.
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The Anti-Dumping Statute is Enforced [ 1999 still pending 2009 racketeering T42CFR417.1 Alternate Dispute Resolution T18CFR242CRIME ] Jointly by the Health Care Financing Administration ( HCFA ) and the Office of Inspector General ( OIG ) of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services ( HHS ).
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ANTI-TRUST ~ October 21 1998 OIG Issues Guidance on Volentary Disclosure of Health Care Fraud ~ usdoj.gov usao eousa foia_reading_room usam title9 crm00983.htm
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1998 - The HHS/OIG continues to work with the ( AOA ) Administration on Aging, ( HCFA ) Health Care Finance Administration, and the American Association of Retired Persons ( AARP ) to develop an Outreach Campaign to Educate Beneficiaries [ Entitled Individuals with Existing Federal Hospital Insurance Benefits ] and those who work with the Elderly to recognize Fraud and Abuse and to report it appropriately [ T42sec417.1 government grievance procedure T18CFR1518CRIME, Anti-dumping violation and anti-kickback violation, SSA 1128b misprison of a felony ]. This campaign will be fully "launched" in 1999.
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ANTI-TRUST ~ State of Michigan ALLOWING T18CFR286CRIME Federal HMO - HAPCORP.ORG to harm 42CFR438.704 their Covered Individuals T42CFR417.1 Citizens of Michigan, to force ( fraud by fright, white collar crime ) illegal HCFA State OFIS Medicaid kickback conversion - RICO
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According to the Detroit News, Between 1999 & 2001 Michigan's Medicaid clientele ballooned [ HHS T42CFR417.1 systematic denial of Existing Federal T42CFR409.33 Insurance - induced forfiture | $25,000 Anti-Dumping Violation, to force - fraud by fright - illegal Medicaid kickback T42CFR409.33 conversion ] to 1.25 million from 1 million, at a cost [ 42CFR438.704 ] of approximately $6,000 on each Medicaid Reciepent. The Detroit News stated according to Paul Rienhart " a Medicaid Expert " in The State Budget Office of Michigan, says
HCFA - OFIS Medicaid consumed 8% of Michigan's General Funds in 1998.
HCFA - OFIS Medicaid will [ T42CFR417.1 ] consume 32 % of the General Fund budget by 2004.
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The practice [ 1998 HHS OIG VOLENTARY DISCLOUSURE FOR PROVIDERS T42CFR417.1 - RICO - Alternate Dispute Resolution T18CFR1518CRIME,fully launched in 1999 ] of " post-claims underwriting," which occurs when insurance companies [ Federal HMO Hospital Service Contract Providers ] cancel INDIVIDUAL health insurance policies [ T42CFR417.1 systematic denial of existing Federal T42CFR409.33 Insurance to force illegal HCFA State OFIS Medicaid Kickback T42CFR409.33 conversion ] after providers submit claims for [ T42CFR409.33 Post-Hospital Extended Care Services ] medical services.
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TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 13 > § 242 Prev | Next § 242. Deprivation of rights under color of law - Alternate Dispute Resolution T42CFR417.1 systematic denial of covered Post-hospital extended care claims racketeering by DOJ.
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HA HA
Posted by: kad on Jul 21, 2009 8:31 AM
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Posted by: kad on Jul 21, 2009 8:31 AM
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If you think the Democrats can truly get any thing done, or that our current government is anything but a corporate front, you haven't been paying attention.
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Jim DeMint
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Jim DeMint should stop playing his infantile little man games and try and do what's best for the American people.
It's a new age jim! try and keep up!
And if he has nothing constructive to add to the health care debate,he would do us all a favor by saying nothing.
This is not about bringing Obama down, it's about getting something done for millions of people without access to medical care
It's a new age jim! try and keep up!
And if he has nothing constructive to add to the health care debate,he would do us all a favor by saying nothing.
This is not about bringing Obama down, it's about getting something done for millions of people without access to medical care
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SOCIALISM
Posted by: pawheel on Jul 21, 2009 9:17 AM
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SOCIALISM, SOCIALISM, SOCIALISM...
What do fire departments, not for profit hospitals, schools, police and Congress's healthcare have in common? They are socialist entities. Repubs have nothing to offer America except scare tactics and theft, with the Blue Dog Dems right alongside them.
Almost 50 million people have no healthcare in this country. Have you ever had no healthcare insurance? I have and as a parent it scared the heck out of me. I have good insurance now, but if this job goes away I'm in the 50 million!
People without insurance wait until they HAVE TO seek treatment, and it is much more expensive then. They go to the emergency room AND YOU PAY FOR IT ANYWAY! Part of why our healthcare costs so much is because hospitals have to cover the treatment of the uninsured.
Ed Razoux. A good friend of mine who knew he was sick but hid it as long as he could because he had no money. May he rest in peace.
If he was in another country with healthcare for all he would probably still be alive.
Anyone who doesn't think we should have healthcare for all should be made to explain why we shouldn't have it to a parent of a sick child who has no insurance.
What do fire departments, not for profit hospitals, schools, police and Congress's healthcare have in common? They are socialist entities. Repubs have nothing to offer America except scare tactics and theft, with the Blue Dog Dems right alongside them.
Almost 50 million people have no healthcare in this country. Have you ever had no healthcare insurance? I have and as a parent it scared the heck out of me. I have good insurance now, but if this job goes away I'm in the 50 million!
People without insurance wait until they HAVE TO seek treatment, and it is much more expensive then. They go to the emergency room AND YOU PAY FOR IT ANYWAY! Part of why our healthcare costs so much is because hospitals have to cover the treatment of the uninsured.
Ed Razoux. A good friend of mine who knew he was sick but hid it as long as he could because he had no money. May he rest in peace.
If he was in another country with healthcare for all he would probably still be alive.
Anyone who doesn't think we should have healthcare for all should be made to explain why we shouldn't have it to a parent of a sick child who has no insurance.
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I'm glad that not everyone here is a stupid Obamabot and can see past this author.
Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Jul 21, 2009 9:24 AM
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Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Jul 21, 2009 9:24 AM
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Let's face it. There will be no true health care reform. The Democrats are already doomed to failure and they show no signs of turning that around. All that Obama and his cronies will do is some stupid cosmetic changes and call it "reform" and what will his Obamabots do? They'll shout up and down like a bunch of flying butt monkeys and scream "See, Obama's reforming healthcare, RAH RAH RAH !", "Vote for more Democrats or the GOP will destroy those efforts, BLAH BLAH BLAH !" or whatever party apologist crap. I know you Obamabots can't stand it that some of us are advocating 3rd parties for a change and while you may hate it, you'll just have to bear the burden of truth that your party is SOILING itself just like the Republicans did. Perhaps we would much rather vote for something we want and not get it than for something we really don't want but get it. If that's too hard for you cornfed Obamabots to figure it out, then please find another company to clean all that sludge out of your engines so that you might learn to compute !
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» WHEN POLLED 58% OF OUR POPULUS SUPPORTS THE IDEA OF A THIRD PARTY. SADLY THAT
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» If you sound like a Republican, you ARE a Republican
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What is reform, really?
Posted by: InsertNameHere on Jul 21, 2009 11:27 AM
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Posted by: InsertNameHere on Jul 21, 2009 11:27 AM
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Do you know how much I pay for healthcare? Take a piece of paper, write health care at the top and draw a big fat zero on the middle of the page. The amount of time I spend worrying about it? Draw another zero. The chances of being denied care for any reason, another zero. Of course, I should say that I live in Canada.
If you like the sound of that, well don't get your hopes up. I'm afraid the Insurance industry has its slimy tentacles firmly wrapped around you and there is no escape. All that the Republicans have to do is say Socialism and everybody gets scared and runs back into the warm, efficient bosom of private sector care.
I know you are probably hopeful about reform, but the reform on the table is nothing more than a two tier system. People with any government funded care will be on the short end of the stick. They will be in the worst hospitals, with the worst doctors, the fewest available options and you will still pay through the nose for all the little things for every visit to the hospital.
The only humane solution is a full public system. Anyone who says public system doesn't work doesn't know what they are talking about or is cherry picking the worst examples and being dishonest.
Unfortunately, you will never have this system. Because the Ds and the Rs are both beholden to the Corporatocracy and it is the Corporatocracy that runs things.
I pity the people who suffer under your system.
If you like the sound of that, well don't get your hopes up. I'm afraid the Insurance industry has its slimy tentacles firmly wrapped around you and there is no escape. All that the Republicans have to do is say Socialism and everybody gets scared and runs back into the warm, efficient bosom of private sector care.
I know you are probably hopeful about reform, but the reform on the table is nothing more than a two tier system. People with any government funded care will be on the short end of the stick. They will be in the worst hospitals, with the worst doctors, the fewest available options and you will still pay through the nose for all the little things for every visit to the hospital.
The only humane solution is a full public system. Anyone who says public system doesn't work doesn't know what they are talking about or is cherry picking the worst examples and being dishonest.
Unfortunately, you will never have this system. Because the Ds and the Rs are both beholden to the Corporatocracy and it is the Corporatocracy that runs things.
I pity the people who suffer under your system.
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What does our Government do so well,
Posted by: pg on Jul 21, 2009 11:28 AM
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That makes so many people think a Government single payer plan will be able fix our healthcare system?
Obama has no Idea what's in the house bill and he is urging immediate passage of it; He has admitted that much.
That is scary!
This will be a huge special interest boondoggle and we the citizens will be worse off.
As many posters have noted the dems have the votes to pass this...
Maybe a few of them have actually read what is in the bill this time...
Obama has no Idea what's in the house bill and he is urging immediate passage of it; He has admitted that much.
That is scary!
This will be a huge special interest boondoggle and we the citizens will be worse off.
As many posters have noted the dems have the votes to pass this...
Maybe a few of them have actually read what is in the bill this time...
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R's just don't care...
Posted by: reg373 on Jul 21, 2009 12:11 PM
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That it's morally wrong to leave 100 million Americans un or underinsured, 1 illness away from financial ruin. And it's wrong to burden small business with the outrageous insurance costs also -- found a cool site; Balkingpoints ; incredible satellite view of earth
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But if the Dems screw up ...
Posted by: monkeywrench on Jul 21, 2009 1:40 PM
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We might see another Bush in the White House.
There is no patience left in the public, and that can cut either way.
There is no patience left in the public, and that can cut either way.
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Consumer Power
Posted by: CTC123 on Jul 21, 2009 2:58 PM
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Consider the Connection to:
Healt Care Profiteers
Where are the Profiteers?
At the top of the NEGATIVE Economic Pyramid. collecting money, and dispensing Trick'le.down
Health Care, their primary care is the bottom line.
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Great article, Adele M. Stan
Healt Care Profiteers
Where are the Profiteers?
At the top of the NEGATIVE Economic Pyramid. collecting money, and dispensing Trick'le.down
Health Care, their primary care is the bottom line.
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Great article, Adele M. Stan
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Patriot Act vs. Healthcare
Posted by: LeaderofMen on Jul 21, 2009 3:23 PM
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One of the GOP talking points has been to 'make sure Americans get the right healthcare plan'. They bitch and complain that they've not had a chance to 'read' the bill.
I recall the Patriot Act consisting of in excess of 1000 pages, none of which were actually read by any Congressman before they shoved that bill right into our an*ses without so much as any spit.
Now they have the unmitigated gall to spew the lie that they haven't read the bill, are 'concerned' about what's in it, and that Americans aren't going to get the bill they 'really want'.
Since it is a well-known axiom that whatever a Republican says the exact opposite is the truth, we know that they are determined to do only one thing: stop healthcare reform.
I recall the Patriot Act consisting of in excess of 1000 pages, none of which were actually read by any Congressman before they shoved that bill right into our an*ses without so much as any spit.
Now they have the unmitigated gall to spew the lie that they haven't read the bill, are 'concerned' about what's in it, and that Americans aren't going to get the bill they 'really want'.
Since it is a well-known axiom that whatever a Republican says the exact opposite is the truth, we know that they are determined to do only one thing: stop healthcare reform.
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HEY! YOU REPUBLICANS! *FWEEEEEEEET!!* TRY THIS!!
Posted by: Longdream on Jul 21, 2009 8:05 PM
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It's obvious that your obstructionism on health care is related to your deep need both individually to keep your seats in Congress and collectively to husband and preserve what little power you have left.
One would think that the easiest way to do both would be to distinguish yourselves both individually and as a party either by cooperating with Democratic colleagues for the good of the people, and if that's too abhorrent, then maybe pulling out some creativity, and crafting the health care bill that does it all, that shines above all others, that's a gift to the American people.
Dazzle us! Save us, you Republicans! Make our eyeballs fall out from the brilliance of your caring! Allow us to admire your selfless dedication to the good of us all! EARN our damned votes!!
Unique idea, right? Try it. You might like it. And the quicker the better, because what you're doing now isn't working. People are too hungry for a resolution and a way out of their dilemmas to pay any attention to your phony blame game, most especially because it doesn't make a single bit of sense.
One would think that the easiest way to do both would be to distinguish yourselves both individually and as a party either by cooperating with Democratic colleagues for the good of the people, and if that's too abhorrent, then maybe pulling out some creativity, and crafting the health care bill that does it all, that shines above all others, that's a gift to the American people.
Dazzle us! Save us, you Republicans! Make our eyeballs fall out from the brilliance of your caring! Allow us to admire your selfless dedication to the good of us all! EARN our damned votes!!
Unique idea, right? Try it. You might like it. And the quicker the better, because what you're doing now isn't working. People are too hungry for a resolution and a way out of their dilemmas to pay any attention to your phony blame game, most especially because it doesn't make a single bit of sense.
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Pass the bill, but make it a good bill first
Posted by: dayahka on Jul 21, 2009 8:16 PM
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One can support the idea of passing a bill if only to whack the Republicans one more time, but passing a bill just to defeat the Republicons is not good enough. We need a good bill, and so far it just seems like business as usual, leaving the medical establishment unreformed, big pharma still peddling its toxic substances, the insurance companies getting their cut, and the politicians raking in the dough for "listening" to the lobbies.
A rational system must be socialist at its base--guaranteed basic universal health services for all inhabitants paid for by the government from revenues, and then a secondary, capitalistic, health care system for those who want to purchase private health insurance to cover all the unnecessary and optional care they want--hip replacements, new hearts and other organs, multi-million dollar chemo- and other therapies, and all the tests and drugs they want.
A rational system must be socialist at its base--guaranteed basic universal health services for all inhabitants paid for by the government from revenues, and then a secondary, capitalistic, health care system for those who want to purchase private health insurance to cover all the unnecessary and optional care they want--hip replacements, new hearts and other organs, multi-million dollar chemo- and other therapies, and all the tests and drugs they want.
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Obama has no plans to pass any meaningful reform. It's just repackage bullshit disguised as "reform"
Posted by: Benn_Miller on Jul 21, 2009 10:20 PM
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Why pass anything at all if the current fake bills disguised as "reform" will only make matters worse? Obama and his party have a serious problem for refusing to pass HR676 and Sander's Senate version of HR676. Failure to pass a quality bill is worse than passing nothing at all. To all the idiots who think the Republicans are losing, wake up. It's the Democrats who are setting themselves up to lose next year.
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20 years in the wilderness
Posted by: FreeAmerica on Jul 21, 2009 10:20 PM
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The idea of this article is absurd. People are pissed about 20+% unemployment, the stock market and their savings going in half, $4.25 gas, TARP/porkulus, bank and car company bailouts, and crap & defraud, and the dems own all of that outright. The people don't want another bad bill full of pork and special interest entitlements and giveaways. When they see what they have in the health care denial bill, they will go nuts.
Once they start seeing their Dad denied a heart bypass because he smokes, or Granny denied care because she is too old, all as they give benefits to illegal immigrants, the populus will loose it.
As it will be done in the context of huge increases in taxes, government regulation, unemployment, and energy costs as a direct result of dem policy, the people will exile dems to the wilderness for a generation.
The repugs are far from scared. They are just trying to limit the damage to the country as the dems self destruct. In 2010 it is my bet that pelosi will be minority leader, and they are quite aware of that.
I won't miss the dems, but I am wishing for something better than the repugs to turn to.
Once they start seeing their Dad denied a heart bypass because he smokes, or Granny denied care because she is too old, all as they give benefits to illegal immigrants, the populus will loose it.
As it will be done in the context of huge increases in taxes, government regulation, unemployment, and energy costs as a direct result of dem policy, the people will exile dems to the wilderness for a generation.
The repugs are far from scared. They are just trying to limit the damage to the country as the dems self destruct. In 2010 it is my bet that pelosi will be minority leader, and they are quite aware of that.
I won't miss the dems, but I am wishing for something better than the repugs to turn to.
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IT IS SIMPLY ESTABLISHED FACT. THERE IS NO PART OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Jul 22, 2009 12:20 AM
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platform that will improve the life of anyone in the whole United States. This means the poor, the middle class and, surprisingly to some, the wealthy. Statistically the wealthy do worse in a country with serious income equalities. The United States is among the worst.
I'm surprised that I read in these comments so many republican talking points that are so internally inconsistent that they fall upon inspection. Lets take just one point as a starter. The accusation is being made that "illegal aliens" will be qualifying for Social Security and health care. By definition an "illegal alien" does not have a legitimate Social Security number. After all what can you do without a social security number? These people often use the social security number of a deceased person or just change one digit in a legitimate number. You can't get medicare, you can't get medicaid, and you can't get social security on the strength of that. If an employer did pay social security on the basis of one of these numbers it would just get left there. There would be no one to draw it. I'm amazed at the careless thinking of my fellow man at times.
Though I would remind you that the children of an illegal in the U. S. do get citizenship and a social security number and benefits. It is not required that they get citizenship. The law is changeable. You do have to look like a villian. You are "picking on" kids.
Our real problem is the 42,000 paid lobbyiests (sp) in Washington D. C.
I'm surprised that I read in these comments so many republican talking points that are so internally inconsistent that they fall upon inspection. Lets take just one point as a starter. The accusation is being made that "illegal aliens" will be qualifying for Social Security and health care. By definition an "illegal alien" does not have a legitimate Social Security number. After all what can you do without a social security number? These people often use the social security number of a deceased person or just change one digit in a legitimate number. You can't get medicare, you can't get medicaid, and you can't get social security on the strength of that. If an employer did pay social security on the basis of one of these numbers it would just get left there. There would be no one to draw it. I'm amazed at the careless thinking of my fellow man at times.
Though I would remind you that the children of an illegal in the U. S. do get citizenship and a social security number and benefits. It is not required that they get citizenship. The law is changeable. You do have to look like a villian. You are "picking on" kids.
Our real problem is the 42,000 paid lobbyiests (sp) in Washington D. C.
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Most Democrats and Republicans are the same
Posted by: je5752 on Jul 22, 2009 3:36 AM
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There are two valid options for healthcare: 1) no government interference whatsoever, or 2) a single-payer plan. I support either option. If you're going to do something then do it right. We will not see either option, however, rather we will see some half-assed centrist abomination that favors special interests to the exclusion of the voters.
Look up the Nolan Chart. Most Democrats and Republicans fall in the center with a leaning toward Authoritarianism. There is no "Right" or "Left" in this country anymore. They are Centrist Authoritarians with a socially conservative and fiscally liberal ideology - the very worst combination possible. You see the Democrats gave up on civil liberties and the Republicans gave up on fiscal liberties. So now we have no liberty and no wealth to show for it.
Welcome to the Prison Planet as Alex Jones calls it.
Some people worth supporting and voting for: Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Rand Paul, Peter Schiff, Adam Kokesh, Jim DeMint and Alan Grayson. These are the people who recognize the evil of The Federal Reserve and how it is destroying the middle and lower classes for the sake of the wealthy, thus putting us back into a feudal state. If it wasn't for the Fed bending the American people over a barrel then we would be in a lot better shape to begin with and none of these problems like health care would be so difficult to handle.
P.S. Without the Federal Reserve creating the credit bubble and moral hazard we never would've had such a severe recession/depression/whatever-you-want-to-call-this-disaster in the first place. All of these side issues outside of monetary policy are relatively minor and easy to deal with. It is the absolute destruction of our nation's currency (and thus the wealth of all of its citizens) that truly threatens the safety of The Republic.
P.P.S. The entire financial products division of Goldman Sachs belongs in Guantanomo or Bagram or some secret CIA prison more than any "terrorist" that was ever put there from the Middle East. We can afford TARP and endless greenback printing from the Fed, but we can't afford single payer. Tell that to your hero Obama who wants to keep people in prison indefinitely without trial.
Look up the Nolan Chart. Most Democrats and Republicans fall in the center with a leaning toward Authoritarianism. There is no "Right" or "Left" in this country anymore. They are Centrist Authoritarians with a socially conservative and fiscally liberal ideology - the very worst combination possible. You see the Democrats gave up on civil liberties and the Republicans gave up on fiscal liberties. So now we have no liberty and no wealth to show for it.
Welcome to the Prison Planet as Alex Jones calls it.
Some people worth supporting and voting for: Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Rand Paul, Peter Schiff, Adam Kokesh, Jim DeMint and Alan Grayson. These are the people who recognize the evil of The Federal Reserve and how it is destroying the middle and lower classes for the sake of the wealthy, thus putting us back into a feudal state. If it wasn't for the Fed bending the American people over a barrel then we would be in a lot better shape to begin with and none of these problems like health care would be so difficult to handle.
P.S. Without the Federal Reserve creating the credit bubble and moral hazard we never would've had such a severe recession/depression/whatever-you-want-to-call-this-disaster in the first place. All of these side issues outside of monetary policy are relatively minor and easy to deal with. It is the absolute destruction of our nation's currency (and thus the wealth of all of its citizens) that truly threatens the safety of The Republic.
P.P.S. The entire financial products division of Goldman Sachs belongs in Guantanomo or Bagram or some secret CIA prison more than any "terrorist" that was ever put there from the Middle East. We can afford TARP and endless greenback printing from the Fed, but we can't afford single payer. Tell that to your hero Obama who wants to keep people in prison indefinitely without trial.
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here we go...
Posted by: ellie on Jul 22, 2009 8:44 AM
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another take on health care... just thoughts, so bear with me...
if we can't have single payor decent health coverage, then don't mess with the system besides caps on how much insurance companies and providers can charge you vs. their profit margin... make insurance companies bow to non-profit status and follow their butts to make sure they follow the law...
eliminate pre-existing clauses and denial of coverage suprises...
we have a dialectic problem when it comes to serious medical care... catastrophic care... we need to use living wills more and make the system honor our wishes... if you ask someone if they want to be alive at any cost with a zillion expensive drugs and million dollar medical equipment or destitute on the streets for life in incredible pain, which do you think a sane person would choose??? what about the issue of assisted suicide if you so choose???
there is a problem with our acceptance of mortality and longer life expectancies to the point that medicare is supposed to be broke in a few years anyway... we are living way beyond the means of a human body to repair itself...
personally, with my life threatening, no cure on the horizon in my lifetime condition, if our medical insurance suddenly dissipated, and we are in our 50's, I would not have a problem deciding to let nature take it's course... it would only take a few days or weeks anyway to kill me without one very expensive medication...
we need to reign in our sense of immortality and life at all costs as we rope in health care costs for all...
if we can't have single payor decent health coverage, then don't mess with the system besides caps on how much insurance companies and providers can charge you vs. their profit margin... make insurance companies bow to non-profit status and follow their butts to make sure they follow the law...
eliminate pre-existing clauses and denial of coverage suprises...
we have a dialectic problem when it comes to serious medical care... catastrophic care... we need to use living wills more and make the system honor our wishes... if you ask someone if they want to be alive at any cost with a zillion expensive drugs and million dollar medical equipment or destitute on the streets for life in incredible pain, which do you think a sane person would choose??? what about the issue of assisted suicide if you so choose???
there is a problem with our acceptance of mortality and longer life expectancies to the point that medicare is supposed to be broke in a few years anyway... we are living way beyond the means of a human body to repair itself...
personally, with my life threatening, no cure on the horizon in my lifetime condition, if our medical insurance suddenly dissipated, and we are in our 50's, I would not have a problem deciding to let nature take it's course... it would only take a few days or weeks anyway to kill me without one very expensive medication...
we need to reign in our sense of immortality and life at all costs as we rope in health care costs for all...
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WAKE UP!
Posted by: VTy on Jul 22, 2009 9:13 AM
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Effectively, this bill transforms the entire U.S. medical profession into nothing more than pill-pushing puppets. It wipes out the intelligence of a local doctor and replaces it with the stupidity of Big Government.
If the government says all expectant mothers must be screened for depression and put on antidepressant drugs, then all the doctors have to play along and do that if they don't want to be fined or have their medical licenses taken away. If the government says nutritional supplements are dangerous and cannot be recommended to patients, then all doctors must remain silent and avoid telling patients the truth about helpful nutritional supplements.
Whatever the government dictates must now be mirrored by all practicing doctors.
And don't forget: The U.S. government is largely controlled by the pharmaceutical companies, and that means these health care dictates are almost certain to emphasize pharmaceutical treatments, disease "screening" and disease mongering provisions designed to sell more drugs.
You can count on there being increased requirements for vaccinations
www.909shot.com
(HPV vaccines, too) and mental health screenings (psychiatric drugs, anyone?).
Communism is alive and well in America's health care system
Americans asked for health care, but what they got was Health Communism. There is absolutely no reason to believe that a centrally-controlled government body has any ability to make good health care decisions for individual patients across America. There is also no reason to believe the U.S. government will safeguard patient medical data or even respect the privacy of patients. This is the same government, after all, that has been caught routinely spying on its own citizens by tapping phone lines, emails, faxes and internet traffic.
If anything, the U.S. government has proven itself over the past few years to be the enemy of the American people on the issue of health care. Just look at the actions of the FDA in censoring nutritional supplement health claims (http://www.naturalnews.com/019366.html), or the FTC in assaulting herbal product companies (http://www.naturalnews.com/025303.html). This government is clearly dead set against health care in America, and the more we put government in charge of making health care decisions, the worse the outcome is going to be.
Obama cried "catastrophe" in urging lawmakers to pass this economic stimulus bill. It's funny how fear is now being used to pass every trillion-dollar spending scandal in Washington these days. That's one thing the government learned very well from 9/11 - fear sells. And it sold Congress on this stimulus bill, too.
But in terms of health care, the only thing this bill is going to stimulate is more disease, more dead Americans and more profits for Big Pharma.www.mercola.com
There's nothing in the bill about ending FDA censorship, or teaching the public about nutrition, or banning pharmaceutical advertising on television.
All this bill has accomplished is to spend Americans ever more quickly into financial destitution and medical desperation. It is one of the final nails in the coffin of American prosperity.
If the government says all expectant mothers must be screened for depression and put on antidepressant drugs, then all the doctors have to play along and do that if they don't want to be fined or have their medical licenses taken away. If the government says nutritional supplements are dangerous and cannot be recommended to patients, then all doctors must remain silent and avoid telling patients the truth about helpful nutritional supplements.
Whatever the government dictates must now be mirrored by all practicing doctors.
And don't forget: The U.S. government is largely controlled by the pharmaceutical companies, and that means these health care dictates are almost certain to emphasize pharmaceutical treatments, disease "screening" and disease mongering provisions designed to sell more drugs.
You can count on there being increased requirements for vaccinations
www.909shot.com
(HPV vaccines, too) and mental health screenings (psychiatric drugs, anyone?).
Communism is alive and well in America's health care system
Americans asked for health care, but what they got was Health Communism. There is absolutely no reason to believe that a centrally-controlled government body has any ability to make good health care decisions for individual patients across America. There is also no reason to believe the U.S. government will safeguard patient medical data or even respect the privacy of patients. This is the same government, after all, that has been caught routinely spying on its own citizens by tapping phone lines, emails, faxes and internet traffic.
If anything, the U.S. government has proven itself over the past few years to be the enemy of the American people on the issue of health care. Just look at the actions of the FDA in censoring nutritional supplement health claims (http://www.naturalnews.com/019366.html), or the FTC in assaulting herbal product companies (http://www.naturalnews.com/025303.html). This government is clearly dead set against health care in America, and the more we put government in charge of making health care decisions, the worse the outcome is going to be.
Obama cried "catastrophe" in urging lawmakers to pass this economic stimulus bill. It's funny how fear is now being used to pass every trillion-dollar spending scandal in Washington these days. That's one thing the government learned very well from 9/11 - fear sells. And it sold Congress on this stimulus bill, too.
But in terms of health care, the only thing this bill is going to stimulate is more disease, more dead Americans and more profits for Big Pharma.www.mercola.com
There's nothing in the bill about ending FDA censorship, or teaching the public about nutrition, or banning pharmaceutical advertising on television.
All this bill has accomplished is to spend Americans ever more quickly into financial destitution and medical desperation. It is one of the final nails in the coffin of American prosperity.
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leftbank
Posted by: markw4786 on Jul 22, 2009 12:01 PM
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This article is moot. There will be no meaningful health care reform and this is because of Democrats not Republicans. The "party of change, party of the people, the party of FDR" is really the party of corporate America. And their leader? Barack Obama is not much better. From the bank give away to Don Siegelman...from EFCA to the "clean air" act to Afghanistan. This breed ofd Democrats couldn't make toast from burnt bread. NInnies don't win fights!!!
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The Democrats are not 'reforming' American corporate-run 'Health Care' but propping it up instead
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It seems that Alternet's Democratic Party voting liberals are always entirely delusional when they write! Barack Obama is not proposing reforming anything, Stan! If you see these proposals as a battle for reform then good luck getting admitted to a Psych Clinic for your hallucinations, Dear Guy.
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HIgh-Larious
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Wake up Americans the Left vs Right Paradigm is false. They're playing us against each other! This is more evidence of the BS. Follow the travesty: There aren't enough trees and lamp posts in Washington!
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Paying For The Shortcomings Of Others.
Posted by: melpol on Jul 22, 2009 3:30 PM
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Healthcare insurance pays for the most frivolous medical procedures. It forces providers to raise their premiums. One example of a frivolous medical procedure is penile lengthening surgery. Insurances companies are willingly billed billions for these types of unnecessary operations. American`s are a compassionate people but paying the costs of a frustrated guys shortcomings is frivolous. Healthcare reform must end these unfair costs and save the American public billions.
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Posted by: osd on Jul 22, 2009 6:01 PM
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time for the two party system to be toast. We need a good house cleaning and some real moral reform. All this Greedy turn a blind eye and lets not forget what all goes on for Corporations, in the name of the American people.
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OBAMA: KING OF SCAMWOW
Posted by: reelman on Jul 23, 2009 1:51 PM
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Mark it. July 22, 2009.
This is the day when B. H. Obama simply ran out of charm, out of smiles, out of blameshifting, out of all logic, out of reality, out of mojo and out of credibility. If any other (non-historic) POTUS shot the voters and reporters this line of factless assertions they would forever be labeled a Dufus ScamWow.
Any thinking voter can take out a couple of lines most anywhere and see its baloney. The federal gov-meant is going to finance anything mostly by savings-efficiency? Now that IS historic. Not since the Grace Commission has there been any of that. Who does he think he is fooling?
The democrat gov-meant does not want to “take over health care”? Historic #2. Who does he think he is fooling?
The Republicans have no ideas? They submitted 38 amendments in the House…all were rejected…including the one about Congress being part of any new HC Plan. Who does he think he is fooling?
The HC Plan will not grow the debt? After Medicaide and Medicare went broke, after decades when most any major federal program (like M & M) quickly became 3-9x more costly than the “democrat selling price”…who does he think he is fooling?
This baloney speech from a serial liar who demanded we borrow a trillion from the Red Chinese to “stimulate” the economy six months ago!
He and his fellow socialists 4x the debt. Now he wants another trillion for HC? Who does he think he is fooling?
Voters have had enough of this wild spending and serial deception. Some are even laughing in the face of their congressman at meetings. Its a start. Keep in mind the next J. Carter Obama phases are taxes and inflation. By the extra shoes will be taken to meetings of these criminal thieves in congress. I say FAX FAX laugh laugh and throw throw.
Send supporters of these fiscal insanities home to stay in November 2010.
Wish the election was next week.
http://conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish
This is the day when B. H. Obama simply ran out of charm, out of smiles, out of blameshifting, out of all logic, out of reality, out of mojo and out of credibility. If any other (non-historic) POTUS shot the voters and reporters this line of factless assertions they would forever be labeled a Dufus ScamWow.
Any thinking voter can take out a couple of lines most anywhere and see its baloney. The federal gov-meant is going to finance anything mostly by savings-efficiency? Now that IS historic. Not since the Grace Commission has there been any of that. Who does he think he is fooling?
The democrat gov-meant does not want to “take over health care”? Historic #2. Who does he think he is fooling?
The Republicans have no ideas? They submitted 38 amendments in the House…all were rejected…including the one about Congress being part of any new HC Plan. Who does he think he is fooling?
The HC Plan will not grow the debt? After Medicaide and Medicare went broke, after decades when most any major federal program (like M & M) quickly became 3-9x more costly than the “democrat selling price”…who does he think he is fooling?
This baloney speech from a serial liar who demanded we borrow a trillion from the Red Chinese to “stimulate” the economy six months ago!
He and his fellow socialists 4x the debt. Now he wants another trillion for HC? Who does he think he is fooling?
Voters have had enough of this wild spending and serial deception. Some are even laughing in the face of their congressman at meetings. Its a start. Keep in mind the next J. Carter Obama phases are taxes and inflation. By the extra shoes will be taken to meetings of these criminal thieves in congress. I say FAX FAX laugh laugh and throw throw.
Send supporters of these fiscal insanities home to stay in November 2010.
Wish the election was next week.
http://conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish
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H CARE IDEAS U DON'T HEAR MUCH
Posted by: reelman on Jul 23, 2009 7:16 PM
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H CARE IDEAS YOU DON’T HEAR MUCH
1…Every adult citizen should pay into the HC system…maybe a % like Social Security.
2…More consistent paying for the same services by insurance plans-companies.
3…Portability at the same cost for at least 6 months…to maybe a year.
4…Statewide and contiguous state(s) group pricing of plans.
5…Retiree portability out of their “state” networks so they can re-locate.
6…Illegals “out” and congress “in” for any new HC plan as a “given”.
7…Tax free medical savings accounts.
8…A national “free or nearly free” ideas group…an unpaid Medical Reform Commission (aka a medical Grace Commission).
http://conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish/
1…Every adult citizen should pay into the HC system…maybe a % like Social Security.
2…More consistent paying for the same services by insurance plans-companies.
3…Portability at the same cost for at least 6 months…to maybe a year.
4…Statewide and contiguous state(s) group pricing of plans.
5…Retiree portability out of their “state” networks so they can re-locate.
6…Illegals “out” and congress “in” for any new HC plan as a “given”.
7…Tax free medical savings accounts.
8…A national “free or nearly free” ideas group…an unpaid Medical Reform Commission (aka a medical Grace Commission).
http://conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish/
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Posted by: 1John1 on Jul 24, 2009 4:06 AM
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Posted by: 1John1 on Jul 24, 2009 4:06 AM
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Sorry to step into your grand Socialist/Marxist party.
My mistake.
Figured this was a website with 'normal' people who actually earn their own money and take responsibility for their own lives - people who might believe in a crzy thing called the Constitution (i.e., people who believe in freedom).
There we go ... got my Che Guevera T-shirt on. I'm with ya now. Yeah - Stick it to da man!! Heck Yeah! Universal Health Care, Baby! It's FREE!!!! And I want a FREE college education!! I won't find too much work with my Gender Studies Degree, but I'll be really smart (but broke). I want some money for a house!!! Hey - it's just "fair" and "humane" - why should I not have a house. And sign me up for lots of that "Earned" (hyuk, hyuk, hyuk) Income Tax Credit. Yeah, I know, someone else did the "earning" part of that, but hey, let's all spread the wealth - it's only fair!
Power to the PEOPLE, Baby!!! (big fist in air pumping).
My mistake.
Figured this was a website with 'normal' people who actually earn their own money and take responsibility for their own lives - people who might believe in a crzy thing called the Constitution (i.e., people who believe in freedom).
There we go ... got my Che Guevera T-shirt on. I'm with ya now. Yeah - Stick it to da man!! Heck Yeah! Universal Health Care, Baby! It's FREE!!!! And I want a FREE college education!! I won't find too much work with my Gender Studies Degree, but I'll be really smart (but broke). I want some money for a house!!! Hey - it's just "fair" and "humane" - why should I not have a house. And sign me up for lots of that "Earned" (hyuk, hyuk, hyuk) Income Tax Credit. Yeah, I know, someone else did the "earning" part of that, but hey, let's all spread the wealth - it's only fair!
Power to the PEOPLE, Baby!!! (big fist in air pumping).
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Health Care is B.S. It's nothing. Nothing will come of it.
Posted by: Stu Piddy on Jul 25, 2009 7:00 PM
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I think Health Care is not the main issue at all.
The economy is seen as separate from Healthcare...and the wars of the world as instigated by the fascist American regimes of Bush and Obama will be at the forefront.
Healthcare will fizzle to nothing and end up being something along the lines of a appointed by government regulatory agency run by former insurance executives who have decided to perform government service to "give back" ...while they await making connections with the government ...at which time they go back into private insurance to make even more money. The revolving door, making government and private business utterly seamless and meaningless.
Just like the financial industry.
The idea that Obama will do anything is a mirage for pretentious liberal thinkers who vision of reality is born of a American suburb...and that contrasts with the Afghanistan village where there is no healthcare program to fend of real metal bombs dropped by Democrats and Republicans who vote to fund meaningless wars and imaginary health care programs that benefit only the insurance industry.
The economy is seen as separate from Healthcare...and the wars of the world as instigated by the fascist American regimes of Bush and Obama will be at the forefront.
Healthcare will fizzle to nothing and end up being something along the lines of a appointed by government regulatory agency run by former insurance executives who have decided to perform government service to "give back" ...while they await making connections with the government ...at which time they go back into private insurance to make even more money. The revolving door, making government and private business utterly seamless and meaningless.
Just like the financial industry.
The idea that Obama will do anything is a mirage for pretentious liberal thinkers who vision of reality is born of a American suburb...and that contrasts with the Afghanistan village where there is no healthcare program to fend of real metal bombs dropped by Democrats and Republicans who vote to fund meaningless wars and imaginary health care programs that benefit only the insurance industry.
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OBAMA FADES IN THE POLLS...B CAUSE
Posted by: reelman on Jul 27, 2009 7:57 AM
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OBAMA=SECUAR SOCIALISM=FALLING POLLS
July 27, 2009
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 30% of the nation’s voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President.
Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -10.
CRAWFISH NOTE: Its been mentioned that J. Carter Obama’s rating has dropped below his mentor Jimmah C.
Was your first clue of falling polls the failing trillion dollar ‘STIM” borrowed from the Chinese to buy votes? Was it the 4x of the national debt in under 6 months? Was it the disgusting apology tour? Was it the pandering to kooks? Was it the way-to-often conferences to preach and lie?
Was it the near 10% jobless? Was it the failure to produce a birth certificate while spending big bucks to fight its release?
Was it the ACORN stormtroopers? Was it the many kook appointments? Was it the obvious anal poisoning of the media? Was it threat of higher taxes next year? Was it your retirement fund statement last month after all the spending and rhetoric? Was it the nationalized health care bill and details he hid? Was it his constant hammering of “rich people” when he is one? Was it his constant negative tone about so many things?
http://conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish
July 27, 2009
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 30% of the nation’s voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President.
Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -10.
CRAWFISH NOTE: Its been mentioned that J. Carter Obama’s rating has dropped below his mentor Jimmah C.
Was your first clue of falling polls the failing trillion dollar ‘STIM” borrowed from the Chinese to buy votes? Was it the 4x of the national debt in under 6 months? Was it the disgusting apology tour? Was it the pandering to kooks? Was it the way-to-often conferences to preach and lie?
Was it the near 10% jobless? Was it the failure to produce a birth certificate while spending big bucks to fight its release?
Was it the ACORN stormtroopers? Was it the many kook appointments? Was it the obvious anal poisoning of the media? Was it threat of higher taxes next year? Was it your retirement fund statement last month after all the spending and rhetoric? Was it the nationalized health care bill and details he hid? Was it his constant hammering of “rich people” when he is one? Was it his constant negative tone about so many things?
http://conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish
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HC PLAN U CAN'T HAVE!
Posted by: reelman on Jul 27, 2009 9:44 AM
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HERE IS THE H-PLAN CONGRESS WON’T CHANGE
Ever wonder why people spend a million to get a job paying under $175k? Our arrogant congressional royalty…
you know, the one that raises its own pay in a severe recession and lusts only for 40 years in the D.C. power bubble, that royalty.
Ever realized their health care coverage WE pay for with taxes?
According to the May 2009 CR…
this is what they have in their FEDERAL Employees Health Benefits Program:
1…No annual or lifetime limits for major services
2…$300 deductible per person and $600 per family
3…Limited 5k a year they pay with preferred providers (which includes most deductibles, co-insurance and co-pays)
Covered Services are:
1…In and out-patient care, visits, surgery and mental health care
2…Prescriptions and diagnostic tests
3…Preventative care including routine shots
4…Chem and radiation therapy
5…Family Planning and organ-tissue transplants
6…Durable med equip and artificial limbs
7…physical, occupational and speech therapy
They pay $152 a MONTH each or $357 a FAMILY.
Okay, take out your family policy and compare.
The folks that “understand” your family struggles have this program.
The feds are special, you and your family are not.
Ask yourself why we can’t have the same coverage.
(this is only one of at least a dozen perks on US)
P.S. The hundreds of thousands of federal gov-meant employees will NOT be included in any new bill either!
Did I mention the secular socialist Party voted down an amendment to include these groups?
http://conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish
Ever wonder why people spend a million to get a job paying under $175k? Our arrogant congressional royalty…
you know, the one that raises its own pay in a severe recession and lusts only for 40 years in the D.C. power bubble, that royalty.
Ever realized their health care coverage WE pay for with taxes?
According to the May 2009 CR…
this is what they have in their FEDERAL Employees Health Benefits Program:
1…No annual or lifetime limits for major services
2…$300 deductible per person and $600 per family
3…Limited 5k a year they pay with preferred providers (which includes most deductibles, co-insurance and co-pays)
Covered Services are:
1…In and out-patient care, visits, surgery and mental health care
2…Prescriptions and diagnostic tests
3…Preventative care including routine shots
4…Chem and radiation therapy
5…Family Planning and organ-tissue transplants
6…Durable med equip and artificial limbs
7…physical, occupational and speech therapy
They pay $152 a MONTH each or $357 a FAMILY.
Okay, take out your family policy and compare.
The folks that “understand” your family struggles have this program.
The feds are special, you and your family are not.
Ask yourself why we can’t have the same coverage.
(this is only one of at least a dozen perks on US)
P.S. The hundreds of thousands of federal gov-meant employees will NOT be included in any new bill either!
Did I mention the secular socialist Party voted down an amendment to include these groups?
http://conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish
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» Psychoanalyze This.
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» RE: Psychoanalyze This.
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» RE: Psychoanalyze This.
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» You said...
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» How about voting them out and replacing them with Progressive Independents?
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» RE: Get the blue dogs on a choke chain! How, pray tell? Override the voters in their very districts?
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» Hey Becky, you Blue Dog motherfucker !
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» Ralph Nader has been informing us for years...
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» Now You See Him And Now You See????
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» RE: OBAMA REMAINS TRANSFORMATIONAL
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» Why is Obama continuing these STUPID WARS?
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» TO MINORITY STATUS ! LOL !
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» RE: TO MINORITY STATUS ! LOL ! THat familiar, comfortable, marginal place?
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» Obama is bought and paid for by Wall St.!
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» Speaketh the truth...
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» RICO and Consumer Protection
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» No time to panic and throw a fit
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» RE: SOCIALISM
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» YOUR BRAIN IS WORKING. OUR QUALITY OF LIFE HAS DROPPED TO 30th IN THE
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» RE: SOCIALISM
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» 1,000 million dollars a year is budgeted to right wing think tanks to get you to think the way
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» WHEN POLLED 58% OF OUR POPULUS SUPPORTS THE IDEA OF A THIRD PARTY. SADLY THAT
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» If you sound like a Republican, you ARE a Republican
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» Thanks for describing yourself Beck and Obama. BWAHAHAHA !
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» If the Canadian Health System .....
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» Thanks for your sympathy, (eh?)
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» RE: But if the Dems screw up ...
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» RE: Patriot Act vs. Healthcare
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» Don't forget those Blue Dog Dems.
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» RE: Pass the bill, but make it a good bill first
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» YOU ARE SPOUTING THE LIES OF THE REPUBLICAN THINK TANKS. YOU
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» Damn right and whoever dares take on Alternet's "Democrats"
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The Republican Party is the Party of Obstruction and Destruction
Posted by: mmckinl on Jul 21, 2009 1:25 AM
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Posted by: mmckinl on Jul 21, 2009 1:25 AM
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And there is no doubt that they want not just to derail health care reform but destroy Obama and the Democrats in the process.
And thanks to Obama's abhorrence of ever possible offending anyone at any time, they have a good shot to derail health care, destroy Obama and render the Democrats into a party divided and impotent.
Rahm Emmanuel who was supposed to be twisting arms has twisted the Democratic efforts into a pretzel. First trying to shill insurers, then Big Pharma, then hospitals, then the AMA ... Emmanuel has trashed most of the leverage the Party had to affect reform.
Obama may be a great manager but he has been a terrible leader. The Republicans should be on their knees begging for mercy. Instead they are in a strong position to render health care reform almost meaningless if not kill it out right.
Obama had better learn that to make an omelet you have to break some eggs and that to get anything substantial in Washington DC you have to break some legs. In Washington DC nice guys don't finish last, they don't finish at all ~ period.
And thanks to Obama's abhorrence of ever possible offending anyone at any time, they have a good shot to derail health care, destroy Obama and render the Democrats into a party divided and impotent.
Rahm Emmanuel who was supposed to be twisting arms has twisted the Democratic efforts into a pretzel. First trying to shill insurers, then Big Pharma, then hospitals, then the AMA ... Emmanuel has trashed most of the leverage the Party had to affect reform.
Obama may be a great manager but he has been a terrible leader. The Republicans should be on their knees begging for mercy. Instead they are in a strong position to render health care reform almost meaningless if not kill it out right.
Obama had better learn that to make an omelet you have to break some eggs and that to get anything substantial in Washington DC you have to break some legs. In Washington DC nice guys don't finish last, they don't finish at all ~ period.
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» Make that both parties.
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We don't need representatives in Congress who don't represent us.
Posted by: zrants on Jul 21, 2009 1:44 AM
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Posted by: zrants on Jul 21, 2009 1:44 AM
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The news has been good lately. Let's hope the bill that passes is the one we need to solve the problems. To anyone who thinks they know more than the American people about what we need - we don't need you representing us, so good luck with your new career.
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Not if it's a rotten plan
Posted by: Perry Logan on Jul 21, 2009 3:22 AM
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I figure it a little differently.
In case you hadn't noticed, Barack Obama is a seriously rotten President.
It stands to reason his health-care plan will be equally rotten.
If the Democrats' halfassed plan is implemented, both health care costs and taxes will rise and people won't get what they wanted. In the words of blogger Joe Cannon, the plan will become vastly unpopular.
At some point in the 2014-2020 period, a Republican congress will vote Obama's scheme out of existence. For decades afterward, conservatives will crow: "Well, we tried socialized medicine and it didn't work.'" :(
In case you hadn't noticed, Barack Obama is a seriously rotten President.
It stands to reason his health-care plan will be equally rotten.
If the Democrats' halfassed plan is implemented, both health care costs and taxes will rise and people won't get what they wanted. In the words of blogger Joe Cannon, the plan will become vastly unpopular.
At some point in the 2014-2020 period, a Republican congress will vote Obama's scheme out of existence. For decades afterward, conservatives will crow: "Well, we tried socialized medicine and it didn't work.'" :(
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» YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY TOTALLY WRONG. I HAVE NO IDEA HOW YOU GOT
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» Cost of health care
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The GOP's worst nightmare
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jul 21, 2009 3:39 AM
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Jul 21, 2009 3:39 AM
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The actions of the elected representatives of the Republican party in trying to derail health care reform that would benefit all Americans should come as no surprise to those with even a Freshman knowledge of American history.
The message they are sending is the same one they have been sending since the Grant administration nearly a century-and-a-hald ago:
FUCK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
As this article makes poignantly clear, there only hope for survival is the failure of the Obama administration and, thus, the people they are sworn to represent.
It seems that their propaganda blitz in recent weeks is beginning to work. Polls make clear that the electorate is starting to be wary of the whole idea. They must really hate us.
Walter Cronkite 1916-2009
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
The message they are sending is the same one they have been sending since the Grant administration nearly a century-and-a-hald ago:
FUCK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
As this article makes poignantly clear, there only hope for survival is the failure of the Obama administration and, thus, the people they are sworn to represent.
It seems that their propaganda blitz in recent weeks is beginning to work. Polls make clear that the electorate is starting to be wary of the whole idea. They must really hate us.
Walter Cronkite 1916-2009
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
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» The General Welfare Of the People ...
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» I have Heathcare ...
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» RE: I have Heathcare ...
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» Expensive and underperforming
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» RE: Fuck the American People
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» The Republicans ARE obstructionists!
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» Last I recall Don't the Democrats have 60 Votes
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» Are you still drunk?
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» RE: Last I recall Don't the Democrats have 60 Votes
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Like Heron in Your Backyard Fish Pond
Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars on Jul 21, 2009 3:40 AM
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Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars on Jul 21, 2009 3:40 AM
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Last I Recall The Democrats Have 60 Votes so If this Heathcare bill was so bad ass (with other things like TAPR I and II, Cap and Trade, ect...) then what are the Democrats waiting for? The GOP is down to scarecrow status however the balking crows of the Moonbat-Obama-Bot left are rapping there Prius' around a pole to blame the nearest Republican becuase it is the in thing to do.
You guys claim to be smarter than this and if you place a "fake" Heron next to your Fish Pond the Herons will just keep it moving becuase they tend to eat alone.
You guys claim to be smarter than this and if you place a "fake" Heron next to your Fish Pond the Herons will just keep it moving becuase they tend to eat alone.
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It's only money
Posted by: progressive-life on Jul 21, 2009 4:20 AM
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Posted by: progressive-life on Jul 21, 2009 4:20 AM
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it's a long shot if Obama gets his healthcare reform passed and if he does it will be his downfall and that of the spending for all democrats , not the down fall of the other GOP criminals! Services and quality will decline. More money for less - seems to be the democrat way! When Americans see how this falls out democrats are in trouble.
Obama has grown our deficit to almost $1.7 trillion. Triple what it was under Bush and did it in just 6 months! The CBO forcasts that it will be another $1.1 trillion next year! Our national debt is now over $11 trillion!!!!
Considering what his healthcare will cost passing it will be a deal breaker - which is why more dems are coming out against it!
Obama has grown our deficit to almost $1.7 trillion. Triple what it was under Bush and did it in just 6 months! The CBO forcasts that it will be another $1.1 trillion next year! Our national debt is now over $11 trillion!!!!
Considering what his healthcare will cost passing it will be a deal breaker - which is why more dems are coming out against it!
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» You're spouting wildly misinformed partisan BS
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» Are you really so dim?
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» Obama - fix the problem, dont make it worse
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» simple solution: get rid of our standing army
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» Too bad Barry won't do it.
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Good Luck With The Bill
Posted by: Jaipurr on Jul 21, 2009 4:34 AM
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Posted by: Jaipurr on Jul 21, 2009 4:34 AM
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As a Brit who loves the USA, I just wanted to wish you all good luck with an effective bill, granting health care to those in need, rather than those with the money to buy it.
In the UK we have had a National Health Service for 60 years plus and despite some hiccups occasionally, it is a wonderful system. I am speaking as someone with serious heart disease and diabetes, accordingly unable to work and totally unable to pay for the level of care I require. This free health service has proved a literal life-saver for me and there must be many, many people in your great country in equal need. Our system was introduced by a Socialist government and there are still many rich capitalists in the UK who would love to return it to the "free?-market."
Support a system free at the point of need. You will never regret it and your lives will be enriched by the knowledge that you and your families will be able to receive medical attention, no matter what your financial circumstances.
Don't let this be destroyed by those whose only incentive is greed and self-interest.
Good luck America.
In the UK we have had a National Health Service for 60 years plus and despite some hiccups occasionally, it is a wonderful system. I am speaking as someone with serious heart disease and diabetes, accordingly unable to work and totally unable to pay for the level of care I require. This free health service has proved a literal life-saver for me and there must be many, many people in your great country in equal need. Our system was introduced by a Socialist government and there are still many rich capitalists in the UK who would love to return it to the "free?-market."
Support a system free at the point of need. You will never regret it and your lives will be enriched by the knowledge that you and your families will be able to receive medical attention, no matter what your financial circumstances.
Don't let this be destroyed by those whose only incentive is greed and self-interest.
Good luck America.
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Against prosperity for all
Posted by: cberkland on Jul 21, 2009 4:47 AM
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The conservative agenda has very obviously been to make the already rich even richer and everyone else barely able to keep their heads above water. They know that if enough Americans finally come to realize that, they are history. No more fooling the electorate with fake "cowboys" like Reagan, W and Palin to get elected. It will be over. They know it. They are running scared. I love it.
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Democrats? They ain't doing jack shit correct on anything. They suck just like the Republicans.
Posted by: FULLPROOF BULLETPROOF on Jul 21, 2009 5:03 AM
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It doesn't matter which party wins next year we're all fucked. Hell, you can't even tell that the Democrats have a supermajority by the way they're behaving. It would almost look like the Republicans were in charge. The Democrats had a perfect chance to pass single payer health care and they fucked up as well.
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» RE: Democrats?
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» Use your brain
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» Yeah foreverhope. Just invent more excuses to "defend" the Democrats' bad behavior.
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» sorry Jennifer
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» foreverDENIAL would love to lie and mislead.
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» RE: Democrats? They ain't doing jack shit correct on anything. They suck just like the Republicans.
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» f**k the complaining - run for office yourself
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» And then who will you vote for?
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» Hurricane Hugo will still invent an excuse to support and campaign for Barry boy.
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» scared no one will listen to you long enough
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» Scared to face the fact that more liberals and independents are leaving the Obama building even as
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» Like Heron in Your Backyard Fish Pond pt II
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» Oh, wise ones! Tell the Republicans. They hate Obama, hate his health plan, call it socialism, say
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» Better to have no care than Obamacare dumb fuck !
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Both Parties at DC are a Puppet Joke & so is this article
Posted by: PointMan on Jul 21, 2009 5:17 AM
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Genuine health care reform is about as real as the sugar-plum fairy. Likewise for "conservatives" that bloated up the government by over 50% larger in less than 8 years as they prosecuted bogus "war on terror", promoted the meltdown and then the start of criminal Wall St. Bailouts that stooge Obama continued as a supposed "progressive" measure.
Anyone that believes either party is more than a sock-puppet for police state corporate felons is delusional.
Anyone that believes either party is more than a sock-puppet for police state corporate felons is delusional.
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We need Health Care for all and we need it now. I have friends in the UK and
Posted by: avidAmerican on Jul 21, 2009 5:21 AM
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in Canada. They are totally disgusted with the lies being told by the Republicants just because they don't want to do anything to help the American People. The ones who pay their wages, their Health Insurance (while they deny it to us), and their Retirement funds, which many of Americans are losing. UK and Canada have great Health Insurance Systems, and the actors and actresses that the Rs hire to try to discredit their system is a slap in the face to all Americans. The Rs let us pay for their Health Insurance, but they think we are not worthy of Health Insurance. The Rs are sipping the moonshine if they think President Obama will be toast. What a laugh. It's the Rs who will be toast; after all they are the ones who have not lifted a single finger to help the American People. Most Rs have taken money from the Insurance Companies, that is the real reason they are fighting insurance for the rest of us. They are being paid to stop the Health Insurance Plan for the rest of us, the ones they treat as peons, not worthy of any kind of help. The Stimulus is not a failure either, just another Republicant lie. 10% of it has been enacted so far. Anyone with an ounce of brains knows that is not enough to declare a failure. We will be telling several more Rs good-bye next election. Funny how they can't see that their numbers in congress are dwindling; they should be able to figure out that THEY are the big failures. We've already had 8 years of proof that they can't govern. Don't forget that most of the debt was added by the Rs long before President Obama ever came on the scene. The Republicants are so busy trying to make us all fail; which shows how much they hate the American People.
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We're already Broke Obama
Posted by: johnwinthrop on Jul 21, 2009 5:47 AM
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1. Medicare and Medicaid, our current socialized medical programs, are going broke. Medicaid in part is financed by states. The states are broke. There is no reasonable economist who thinks we will have an economic recovery until at least 2015.
2.The respected CBO has claimed Obama's plan which would insure tens of millions of uninsured(although there is serious dispute about how many Americans are in fact uninsured) is financially broke. We will add to our swollen deficit, an action that does have consequences for real working people, and is not merely an accounting entry.
3. Regardless of whether Obamacare passes or not, the nation will suffer a tsunami of inflation and devaluation of the dollar within two years.
4. The price of everything, including healthcare, either w/Obamacare or without it, will rocket to astronomic heights. Bernankebucks will no longer be accepted by our trading partners and oil suppliers. Shock, shock, gullible Alternetters, even with cap and trade, the USA will use massive amounts of gasoline for many many years.
5.And it won't be cheap. And the cost of fuel and the worthlessness of the dollar thanks to the Smooth One and his Bar Mitzvah co-presenter, Bernanke, is inevitable. So healthcare will be a luxury and not a "right", regardless of whether this Little Man's Little Health Bill passes or not.
6. Goshy goo, Baracky will have to practice law in a few years after he's driven from office like Jimmy "lust in my heart" Carter. He doesn't know how to do that. Oh well, maybe Barack the Hawaiian will get a TARP grant?
2.The respected CBO has claimed Obama's plan which would insure tens of millions of uninsured(although there is serious dispute about how many Americans are in fact uninsured) is financially broke. We will add to our swollen deficit, an action that does have consequences for real working people, and is not merely an accounting entry.
3. Regardless of whether Obamacare passes or not, the nation will suffer a tsunami of inflation and devaluation of the dollar within two years.
4. The price of everything, including healthcare, either w/Obamacare or without it, will rocket to astronomic heights. Bernankebucks will no longer be accepted by our trading partners and oil suppliers. Shock, shock, gullible Alternetters, even with cap and trade, the USA will use massive amounts of gasoline for many many years.
5.And it won't be cheap. And the cost of fuel and the worthlessness of the dollar thanks to the Smooth One and his Bar Mitzvah co-presenter, Bernanke, is inevitable. So healthcare will be a luxury and not a "right", regardless of whether this Little Man's Little Health Bill passes or not.
6. Goshy goo, Baracky will have to practice law in a few years after he's driven from office like Jimmy "lust in my heart" Carter. He doesn't know how to do that. Oh well, maybe Barack the Hawaiian will get a TARP grant?
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» Obama, it's your stop!
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» Who is this silly john winthrop who says nothing with any sense?
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» A flash of light behind the cornea
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» Like All Celebrities (except for George W), I Have Been In Syntax Rehab.
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» US military spending is almost $700 billion/year
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» True but is Barry planning to REDUCE it at all? NOPE, just more increases in US mil spending !
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» Are You Attacking the Only Effective Employment Program Our Leader Has?
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» WE HAD 2 TRILLION TO KILL ARABS AND NOW WE HAVE NO TRILLION FOR HEALTH
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A flawed and a failed concept.
Posted by: jstuv on Jul 21, 2009 6:25 AM
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It has been proven that Republican Political Party philosophy is a flawed and a failed concept.
Under Republicanism; In order to maximize profit, all labor will be so minimally compensated that workers will be practically slaves. Wealth can only be inherited, as it will not be taxed. The small elitist base continually shrinks. Elections would be perfunctory, as the outcome will already be determined.
By definition, the average Republican Party voter has below average intelligence.
a) Half of all humanity has a below average IQ.
b) Predominantly Republican states have below average IQs.
c) By definition, the average Republican Party voter has below average intelligence.
d) In American History, the contemporary Republican philosophy is a failed concept.
e) History has shown that implemented Republican philosophy leads to failure.
Under Republicanism; In order to maximize profit, all labor will be so minimally compensated that workers will be practically slaves. Wealth can only be inherited, as it will not be taxed. The small elitist base continually shrinks. Elections would be perfunctory, as the outcome will already be determined.
By definition, the average Republican Party voter has below average intelligence.
a) Half of all humanity has a below average IQ.
b) Predominantly Republican states have below average IQs.
c) By definition, the average Republican Party voter has below average intelligence.
d) In American History, the contemporary Republican philosophy is a failed concept.
e) History has shown that implemented Republican philosophy leads to failure.
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No way, no how
Posted by: aazippo5 on Jul 21, 2009 6:56 AM
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Problem is, it will never happen. The medical lobbyists have all the lawmakers in their hip pockets, bought and paid for! There is just too much money at stake in the private sector to let this happen!
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About the money
Posted by: dongarb on Jul 21, 2009 7:04 AM
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Posted by: dongarb on Jul 21, 2009 7:04 AM
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Whenever powerful groups of sociopaths and psychopaths are fighting hard to get their way, people will always say "It's all about the money."
I believe that's a distraction. I always ask myself in these situations (which come up more and more often) is it actually more about the power?
Let's say you're a progressive loud mouth liberal who rocks the system by spreading truth and other dangerous things. Or just a disadvantaged poor person. You come down with a broken leg, or kidney stones, or clogged arteries. Where you gonna find the hundred grand you need to stay alive?
Having the power of life and death over the great mass of slaves is the ultimate wet dream for the psychopaths. That's what they want to hang onto, the money is secondary.
I believe that's a distraction. I always ask myself in these situations (which come up more and more often) is it actually more about the power?
Let's say you're a progressive loud mouth liberal who rocks the system by spreading truth and other dangerous things. Or just a disadvantaged poor person. You come down with a broken leg, or kidney stones, or clogged arteries. Where you gonna find the hundred grand you need to stay alive?
Having the power of life and death over the great mass of slaves is the ultimate wet dream for the psychopaths. That's what they want to hang onto, the money is secondary.
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» Psychoanalyze This.
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Get the blue dogs on a choke chain!
Posted by: Collielady on Jul 21, 2009 7:06 AM
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Posted by: Collielady on Jul 21, 2009 7:06 AM
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Yes, the Democrats' future success hinges on health care, but the Blue Dogs seem to think they will weather the next election. Get them on a tight leash!
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» RE: Get the blue dogs on a choke chain! How, pray tell? Override the voters in their very districts?
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Why trust the Democrats on anything? I'm getting fed up and think it's time to let them go.
Posted by: Ranjit Kumar on Jul 21, 2009 7:16 AM
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I've been holding my patience on this party for years and I have never seen this party with so much of a strong majority that they still go out of their way to blame the Republicans. Why are you expecting the Democrats to get anything done right this time when most of them have been in power so long that they don't care to? For all the complaining the Democratic Party has done about the "pro-lifers" on Terri Schiavo, I find it seriously disturbing that most people on these sites want to Terri Schiavo-ize the Democratic Party rather than give other parties a chance to fight for progressive causes or at least parts thereof. I'll bet Alternet $50 trillion dollars that exactly one year from now, they will be posting articles begging us to "vote Democrat or the Republicans will botch health care and bring back more wars" or other retarded slogans such as "if you don't vote Democrats, the Republicans will take over and it will be the end of the world as we know it". If a third party comes up we'll be intimidated with nonsense such as "a vote for independent is a vote for republicans". So last year, we went through all this trouble electing Obama and giving the Democrats a filibuster proof majority and yet all we get is crapshoot at best. If that's not insulting enough, I'm then told to "make them do it" ? So what do we elect Democrats for? To make them do it?? California is a failed state for this reason alone and I would hate to see the rest of this country fail like that state. Go right ahead. Ask for some poor slobs to donate and keep the corporate cash flowing and then keep lying to them to pull a Terri Schiavo for the Democratic Party. I've had enough of this party and am pulling the plug. I'm switching my registration to independent.
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OBAMA REMAINS TRANSFORMATIONAL
Posted by: drricklippin on Jul 21, 2009 7:23 AM
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Posted by: drricklippin on Jul 21, 2009 7:23 AM
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Change is what we voted for and change is what we will get.
THIS PRESIDENT IS A TRANSFORMATIONAL FIGURE IN MANY WAYS
The Republicans will take decades to recover
Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa
THIS PRESIDENT IS A TRANSFORMATIONAL FIGURE IN MANY WAYS
The Republicans will take decades to recover
Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa
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» TO MINORITY STATUS ! LOL !
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Dem mindset.
Posted by: Collielady on Jul 21, 2009 7:24 AM
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If the Repubs had 60 Senate seats the Dems would sit in defeat of everything. Now we find ourselves with this chance of a lifetime to get things done, but the Dems behave as if they're the minority party.
Please get a spine, Congress! Take charge, steamroll the opposition (because the country isn't with them) and change the country!
Please get a spine, Congress! Take charge, steamroll the opposition (because the country isn't with them) and change the country!
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Clueless commentary
Posted by: leafsong1 on Jul 21, 2009 7:53 AM
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I hope the author will stop writing and start reading so that he can join us in the real world. Here, elections are not decided on actual issues, but by corrupt transfers of wealth. Corporations manipulate both the government and the press through graft, and the people (like this author) are far too ignorant to see through it.
If health care reform is passed? Surely the author is not so idiotic that he thinks it makes no difference what that "reform" looks like? The Democrats, with Obama's passive support, have already doomed any chance of meaningful reform. "Reform" will pass, and it will be a huge boondoggle to put money into the pockets of the rich, just like every other piece of crap legislation that comes out of US government these days. There will be no adverse consequences for the politicians, D or R, at least none rising from an "election." If media buys can't cover it up, election rigging will. If some crook gets defeated, he will be kicked upstairs to a cushy and lucrative position in lobbying or "advising," and both parties will see to it that he is replaced by another crook. Meanwhile, a vast army of professional liars and drewling idiots (no telling where this author lands) will try to tell us that there is a heroic narrative of political struggle involved with consequences that we should care about. Get a clue.
If health care reform is passed? Surely the author is not so idiotic that he thinks it makes no difference what that "reform" looks like? The Democrats, with Obama's passive support, have already doomed any chance of meaningful reform. "Reform" will pass, and it will be a huge boondoggle to put money into the pockets of the rich, just like every other piece of crap legislation that comes out of US government these days. There will be no adverse consequences for the politicians, D or R, at least none rising from an "election." If media buys can't cover it up, election rigging will. If some crook gets defeated, he will be kicked upstairs to a cushy and lucrative position in lobbying or "advising," and both parties will see to it that he is replaced by another crook. Meanwhile, a vast army of professional liars and drewling idiots (no telling where this author lands) will try to tell us that there is a heroic narrative of political struggle involved with consequences that we should care about. Get a clue.
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rgd
Posted by: rgd on Jul 21, 2009 8:04 AM
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Your wrong Adele. Your article is pure speculation. Republicans have no power of voting in the congress. Democrats have all the votes. Clinton had the same arrangment back in the early ninties and he couldn't get it done either.( Look at what Clinton "fixed" in the meantime while we were whinning about healthcare.) Obama has plans to reform nothing but the way business is done. He is wrapping up what the previous lap-dog presidents got started.
And who says just because they pass a health care bill it will be a good one and what is it going to cost people? Do you really think he is going to make those making over 250K a year pay? When are people going to put the petty Dem/Rep-- my side is better than your side childish behavior aside and realize that we are all on the same losing side. This issue is another cover for what the "masters" are really doing. If we don't stop them at Wall St. then the big pharma. companies will provide us with all the health care we want.
And who says just because they pass a health care bill it will be a good one and what is it going to cost people? Do you really think he is going to make those making over 250K a year pay? When are people going to put the petty Dem/Rep-- my side is better than your side childish behavior aside and realize that we are all on the same losing side. This issue is another cover for what the "masters" are really doing. If we don't stop them at Wall St. then the big pharma. companies will provide us with all the health care we want.
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healthcare
Posted by: terry388 on Jul 21, 2009 8:17 AM
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Americans are being brainwashed into believing that public health-care is bad. Well look at the lousy system you have now in the US. It is expensive, unaffordable which results in many bankruptcies. If public health is bad , I shudder to think how to categorize the US system.
Wake up and join to the rest of the civilized work. Health-care is a public good and should not be to the dictates of the market place.
Wake up and join to the rest of the civilized work. Health-care is a public good and should not be to the dictates of the market place.
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Federal Hospital Service Contract Providers
Posted by: Kimberly on Jul 21, 2009 8:26 AM
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are paid to systematically DENY Covered Claims T42CFR417.1 grievance procedure T18CFR242CRIME.
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The Anti-Dumping Statute is Enforced [ 1999 still pending 2009 racketeering T42CFR417.1 Alternate Dispute Resolution T18CFR242CRIME ] Jointly by the Health Care Financing Administration ( HCFA ) and the Office of Inspector General ( OIG ) of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services ( HHS ).
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ANTI-TRUST ~ October 21 1998 OIG Issues Guidance on Volentary Disclosure of Health Care Fraud ~ usdoj.gov usao eousa foia_reading_room usam title9 crm00983.htm
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1998 - The HHS/OIG continues to work with the ( AOA ) Administration on Aging, ( HCFA ) Health Care Finance Administration, and the American Association of Retired Persons ( AARP ) to develop an Outreach Campaign to Educate Beneficiaries [ Entitled Individuals with Existing Federal Hospital Insurance Benefits ] and those who work with the Elderly to recognize Fraud and Abuse and to report it appropriately [ T42sec417.1 government grievance procedure T18CFR1518CRIME, Anti-dumping violation and anti-kickback violation, SSA 1128b misprison of a felony ]. This campaign will be fully "launched" in 1999.
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ANTI-TRUST ~ State of Michigan ALLOWING T18CFR286CRIME Federal HMO - HAPCORP.ORG to harm 42CFR438.704 their Covered Individuals T42CFR417.1 Citizens of Michigan, to force ( fraud by fright, white collar crime ) illegal HCFA State OFIS Medicaid kickback conversion - RICO
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According to the Detroit News, Between 1999 & 2001 Michigan's Medicaid clientele ballooned [ HHS T42CFR417.1 systematic denial of Existing Federal T42CFR409.33 Insurance - induced forfiture | $25,000 Anti-Dumping Violation, to force - fraud by fright - illegal Medicaid kickback T42CFR409.33 conversion ] to 1.25 million from 1 million, at a cost [ 42CFR438.704 ] of approximately $6,000 on each Medicaid Reciepent. The Detroit News stated according to Paul Rienhart " a Medicaid Expert " in The State Budget Office of Michigan, says
HCFA - OFIS Medicaid consumed 8% of Michigan's General Funds in 1998.
HCFA - OFIS Medicaid will [ T42CFR417.1 ] consume 32 % of the General Fund budget by 2004.
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The practice [ 1998 HHS OIG VOLENTARY DISCLOUSURE FOR PROVIDERS T42CFR417.1 - RICO - Alternate Dispute Resolution T18CFR1518CRIME,fully launched in 1999 ] of " post-claims underwriting," which occurs when insurance companies [ Federal HMO Hospital Service Contract Providers ] cancel INDIVIDUAL health insurance policies [ T42CFR417.1 systematic denial of existing Federal T42CFR409.33 Insurance to force illegal HCFA State OFIS Medicaid Kickback T42CFR409.33 conversion ] after providers submit claims for [ T42CFR409.33 Post-Hospital Extended Care Services ] medical services.
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TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 13 > § 242 Prev | Next § 242. Deprivation of rights under color of law - Alternate Dispute Resolution T42CFR417.1 systematic denial of covered Post-hospital extended care claims racketeering by DOJ.
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The Anti-Dumping Statute is Enforced [ 1999 still pending 2009 racketeering T42CFR417.1 Alternate Dispute Resolution T18CFR242CRIME ] Jointly by the Health Care Financing Administration ( HCFA ) and the Office of Inspector General ( OIG ) of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services ( HHS ).
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ANTI-TRUST ~ October 21 1998 OIG Issues Guidance on Volentary Disclosure of Health Care Fraud ~ usdoj.gov usao eousa foia_reading_room usam title9 crm00983.htm
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1998 - The HHS/OIG continues to work with the ( AOA ) Administration on Aging, ( HCFA ) Health Care Finance Administration, and the American Association of Retired Persons ( AARP ) to develop an Outreach Campaign to Educate Beneficiaries [ Entitled Individuals with Existing Federal Hospital Insurance Benefits ] and those who work with the Elderly to recognize Fraud and Abuse and to report it appropriately [ T42sec417.1 government grievance procedure T18CFR1518CRIME, Anti-dumping violation and anti-kickback violation, SSA 1128b misprison of a felony ]. This campaign will be fully "launched" in 1999.
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ANTI-TRUST ~ State of Michigan ALLOWING T18CFR286CRIME Federal HMO - HAPCORP.ORG to harm 42CFR438.704 their Covered Individuals T42CFR417.1 Citizens of Michigan, to force ( fraud by fright, white collar crime ) illegal HCFA State OFIS Medicaid kickback conversion - RICO
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According to the Detroit News, Between 1999 & 2001 Michigan's Medicaid clientele ballooned [ HHS T42CFR417.1 systematic denial of Existing Federal T42CFR409.33 Insurance - induced forfiture | $25,000 Anti-Dumping Violation, to force - fraud by fright - illegal Medicaid kickback T42CFR409.33 conversion ] to 1.25 million from 1 million, at a cost [ 42CFR438.704 ] of approximately $6,000 on each Medicaid Reciepent. The Detroit News stated according to Paul Rienhart " a Medicaid Expert " in The State Budget Office of Michigan, says
HCFA - OFIS Medicaid consumed 8% of Michigan's General Funds in 1998.
HCFA - OFIS Medicaid will [ T42CFR417.1 ] consume 32 % of the General Fund budget by 2004.
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The practice [ 1998 HHS OIG VOLENTARY DISCLOUSURE FOR PROVIDERS T42CFR417.1 - RICO - Alternate Dispute Resolution T18CFR1518CRIME,fully launched in 1999 ] of " post-claims underwriting," which occurs when insurance companies [ Federal HMO Hospital Service Contract Providers ] cancel INDIVIDUAL health insurance policies [ T42CFR417.1 systematic denial of existing Federal T42CFR409.33 Insurance to force illegal HCFA State OFIS Medicaid Kickback T42CFR409.33 conversion ] after providers submit claims for [ T42CFR409.33 Post-Hospital Extended Care Services ] medical services.
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TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 13 > § 242 Prev | Next § 242. Deprivation of rights under color of law - Alternate Dispute Resolution T42CFR417.1 systematic denial of covered Post-hospital extended care claims racketeering by DOJ.
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HA HA
Posted by: kad on Jul 21, 2009 8:31 AM
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Posted by: kad on Jul 21, 2009 8:31 AM
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If you think the Democrats can truly get any thing done, or that our current government is anything but a corporate front, you haven't been paying attention.
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Jim DeMint
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Jim DeMint should stop playing his infantile little man games and try and do what's best for the American people.
It's a new age jim! try and keep up!
And if he has nothing constructive to add to the health care debate,he would do us all a favor by saying nothing.
This is not about bringing Obama down, it's about getting something done for millions of people without access to medical care
It's a new age jim! try and keep up!
And if he has nothing constructive to add to the health care debate,he would do us all a favor by saying nothing.
This is not about bringing Obama down, it's about getting something done for millions of people without access to medical care
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SOCIALISM
Posted by: pawheel on Jul 21, 2009 9:17 AM
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SOCIALISM, SOCIALISM, SOCIALISM...
What do fire departments, not for profit hospitals, schools, police and Congress's healthcare have in common? They are socialist entities. Repubs have nothing to offer America except scare tactics and theft, with the Blue Dog Dems right alongside them.
Almost 50 million people have no healthcare in this country. Have you ever had no healthcare insurance? I have and as a parent it scared the heck out of me. I have good insurance now, but if this job goes away I'm in the 50 million!
People without insurance wait until they HAVE TO seek treatment, and it is much more expensive then. They go to the emergency room AND YOU PAY FOR IT ANYWAY! Part of why our healthcare costs so much is because hospitals have to cover the treatment of the uninsured.
Ed Razoux. A good friend of mine who knew he was sick but hid it as long as he could because he had no money. May he rest in peace.
If he was in another country with healthcare for all he would probably still be alive.
Anyone who doesn't think we should have healthcare for all should be made to explain why we shouldn't have it to a parent of a sick child who has no insurance.
What do fire departments, not for profit hospitals, schools, police and Congress's healthcare have in common? They are socialist entities. Repubs have nothing to offer America except scare tactics and theft, with the Blue Dog Dems right alongside them.
Almost 50 million people have no healthcare in this country. Have you ever had no healthcare insurance? I have and as a parent it scared the heck out of me. I have good insurance now, but if this job goes away I'm in the 50 million!
People without insurance wait until they HAVE TO seek treatment, and it is much more expensive then. They go to the emergency room AND YOU PAY FOR IT ANYWAY! Part of why our healthcare costs so much is because hospitals have to cover the treatment of the uninsured.
Ed Razoux. A good friend of mine who knew he was sick but hid it as long as he could because he had no money. May he rest in peace.
If he was in another country with healthcare for all he would probably still be alive.
Anyone who doesn't think we should have healthcare for all should be made to explain why we shouldn't have it to a parent of a sick child who has no insurance.
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I'm glad that not everyone here is a stupid Obamabot and can see past this author.
Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Jul 21, 2009 9:24 AM
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Let's face it. There will be no true health care reform. The Democrats are already doomed to failure and they show no signs of turning that around. All that Obama and his cronies will do is some stupid cosmetic changes and call it "reform" and what will his Obamabots do? They'll shout up and down like a bunch of flying butt monkeys and scream "See, Obama's reforming healthcare, RAH RAH RAH !", "Vote for more Democrats or the GOP will destroy those efforts, BLAH BLAH BLAH !" or whatever party apologist crap. I know you Obamabots can't stand it that some of us are advocating 3rd parties for a change and while you may hate it, you'll just have to bear the burden of truth that your party is SOILING itself just like the Republicans did. Perhaps we would much rather vote for something we want and not get it than for something we really don't want but get it. If that's too hard for you cornfed Obamabots to figure it out, then please find another company to clean all that sludge out of your engines so that you might learn to compute !
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» If you sound like a Republican, you ARE a Republican
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What is reform, really?
Posted by: InsertNameHere on Jul 21, 2009 11:27 AM
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Posted by: InsertNameHere on Jul 21, 2009 11:27 AM
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Do you know how much I pay for healthcare? Take a piece of paper, write health care at the top and draw a big fat zero on the middle of the page. The amount of time I spend worrying about it? Draw another zero. The chances of being denied care for any reason, another zero. Of course, I should say that I live in Canada.
If you like the sound of that, well don't get your hopes up. I'm afraid the Insurance industry has its slimy tentacles firmly wrapped around you and there is no escape. All that the Republicans have to do is say Socialism and everybody gets scared and runs back into the warm, efficient bosom of private sector care.
I know you are probably hopeful about reform, but the reform on the table is nothing more than a two tier system. People with any government funded care will be on the short end of the stick. They will be in the worst hospitals, with the worst doctors, the fewest available options and you will still pay through the nose for all the little things for every visit to the hospital.
The only humane solution is a full public system. Anyone who says public system doesn't work doesn't know what they are talking about or is cherry picking the worst examples and being dishonest.
Unfortunately, you will never have this system. Because the Ds and the Rs are both beholden to the Corporatocracy and it is the Corporatocracy that runs things.
I pity the people who suffer under your system.
If you like the sound of that, well don't get your hopes up. I'm afraid the Insurance industry has its slimy tentacles firmly wrapped around you and there is no escape. All that the Republicans have to do is say Socialism and everybody gets scared and runs back into the warm, efficient bosom of private sector care.
I know you are probably hopeful about reform, but the reform on the table is nothing more than a two tier system. People with any government funded care will be on the short end of the stick. They will be in the worst hospitals, with the worst doctors, the fewest available options and you will still pay through the nose for all the little things for every visit to the hospital.
The only humane solution is a full public system. Anyone who says public system doesn't work doesn't know what they are talking about or is cherry picking the worst examples and being dishonest.
Unfortunately, you will never have this system. Because the Ds and the Rs are both beholden to the Corporatocracy and it is the Corporatocracy that runs things.
I pity the people who suffer under your system.
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What does our Government do so well,
Posted by: pg on Jul 21, 2009 11:28 AM
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That makes so many people think a Government single payer plan will be able fix our healthcare system?
Obama has no Idea what's in the house bill and he is urging immediate passage of it; He has admitted that much.
That is scary!
This will be a huge special interest boondoggle and we the citizens will be worse off.
As many posters have noted the dems have the votes to pass this...
Maybe a few of them have actually read what is in the bill this time...
Obama has no Idea what's in the house bill and he is urging immediate passage of it; He has admitted that much.
That is scary!
This will be a huge special interest boondoggle and we the citizens will be worse off.
As many posters have noted the dems have the votes to pass this...
Maybe a few of them have actually read what is in the bill this time...
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R's just don't care...
Posted by: reg373 on Jul 21, 2009 12:11 PM
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That it's morally wrong to leave 100 million Americans un or underinsured, 1 illness away from financial ruin. And it's wrong to burden small business with the outrageous insurance costs also -- found a cool site; Balkingpoints ; incredible satellite view of earth
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But if the Dems screw up ...
Posted by: monkeywrench on Jul 21, 2009 1:40 PM
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We might see another Bush in the White House.
There is no patience left in the public, and that can cut either way.
There is no patience left in the public, and that can cut either way.
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Consumer Power
Posted by: CTC123 on Jul 21, 2009 2:58 PM
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Consider the Connection to:
Healt Care Profiteers
Where are the Profiteers?
At the top of the NEGATIVE Economic Pyramid. collecting money, and dispensing Trick'le.down
Health Care, their primary care is the bottom line.
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Great article, Adele M. Stan
Healt Care Profiteers
Where are the Profiteers?
At the top of the NEGATIVE Economic Pyramid. collecting money, and dispensing Trick'le.down
Health Care, their primary care is the bottom line.
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Great article, Adele M. Stan
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Patriot Act vs. Healthcare
Posted by: LeaderofMen on Jul 21, 2009 3:23 PM
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One of the GOP talking points has been to 'make sure Americans get the right healthcare plan'. They bitch and complain that they've not had a chance to 'read' the bill.
I recall the Patriot Act consisting of in excess of 1000 pages, none of which were actually read by any Congressman before they shoved that bill right into our an*ses without so much as any spit.
Now they have the unmitigated gall to spew the lie that they haven't read the bill, are 'concerned' about what's in it, and that Americans aren't going to get the bill they 'really want'.
Since it is a well-known axiom that whatever a Republican says the exact opposite is the truth, we know that they are determined to do only one thing: stop healthcare reform.
I recall the Patriot Act consisting of in excess of 1000 pages, none of which were actually read by any Congressman before they shoved that bill right into our an*ses without so much as any spit.
Now they have the unmitigated gall to spew the lie that they haven't read the bill, are 'concerned' about what's in it, and that Americans aren't going to get the bill they 'really want'.
Since it is a well-known axiom that whatever a Republican says the exact opposite is the truth, we know that they are determined to do only one thing: stop healthcare reform.
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HEY! YOU REPUBLICANS! *FWEEEEEEEET!!* TRY THIS!!
Posted by: Longdream on Jul 21, 2009 8:05 PM
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It's obvious that your obstructionism on health care is related to your deep need both individually to keep your seats in Congress and collectively to husband and preserve what little power you have left.
One would think that the easiest way to do both would be to distinguish yourselves both individually and as a party either by cooperating with Democratic colleagues for the good of the people, and if that's too abhorrent, then maybe pulling out some creativity, and crafting the health care bill that does it all, that shines above all others, that's a gift to the American people.
Dazzle us! Save us, you Republicans! Make our eyeballs fall out from the brilliance of your caring! Allow us to admire your selfless dedication to the good of us all! EARN our damned votes!!
Unique idea, right? Try it. You might like it. And the quicker the better, because what you're doing now isn't working. People are too hungry for a resolution and a way out of their dilemmas to pay any attention to your phony blame game, most especially because it doesn't make a single bit of sense.
One would think that the easiest way to do both would be to distinguish yourselves both individually and as a party either by cooperating with Democratic colleagues for the good of the people, and if that's too abhorrent, then maybe pulling out some creativity, and crafting the health care bill that does it all, that shines above all others, that's a gift to the American people.
Dazzle us! Save us, you Republicans! Make our eyeballs fall out from the brilliance of your caring! Allow us to admire your selfless dedication to the good of us all! EARN our damned votes!!
Unique idea, right? Try it. You might like it. And the quicker the better, because what you're doing now isn't working. People are too hungry for a resolution and a way out of their dilemmas to pay any attention to your phony blame game, most especially because it doesn't make a single bit of sense.
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Pass the bill, but make it a good bill first
Posted by: dayahka on Jul 21, 2009 8:16 PM
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One can support the idea of passing a bill if only to whack the Republicans one more time, but passing a bill just to defeat the Republicons is not good enough. We need a good bill, and so far it just seems like business as usual, leaving the medical establishment unreformed, big pharma still peddling its toxic substances, the insurance companies getting their cut, and the politicians raking in the dough for "listening" to the lobbies.
A rational system must be socialist at its base--guaranteed basic universal health services for all inhabitants paid for by the government from revenues, and then a secondary, capitalistic, health care system for those who want to purchase private health insurance to cover all the unnecessary and optional care they want--hip replacements, new hearts and other organs, multi-million dollar chemo- and other therapies, and all the tests and drugs they want.
A rational system must be socialist at its base--guaranteed basic universal health services for all inhabitants paid for by the government from revenues, and then a secondary, capitalistic, health care system for those who want to purchase private health insurance to cover all the unnecessary and optional care they want--hip replacements, new hearts and other organs, multi-million dollar chemo- and other therapies, and all the tests and drugs they want.
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Obama has no plans to pass any meaningful reform. It's just repackage bullshit disguised as "reform"
Posted by: Benn_Miller on Jul 21, 2009 10:20 PM
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Why pass anything at all if the current fake bills disguised as "reform" will only make matters worse? Obama and his party have a serious problem for refusing to pass HR676 and Sander's Senate version of HR676. Failure to pass a quality bill is worse than passing nothing at all. To all the idiots who think the Republicans are losing, wake up. It's the Democrats who are setting themselves up to lose next year.
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20 years in the wilderness
Posted by: FreeAmerica on Jul 21, 2009 10:20 PM
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The idea of this article is absurd. People are pissed about 20+% unemployment, the stock market and their savings going in half, $4.25 gas, TARP/porkulus, bank and car company bailouts, and crap & defraud, and the dems own all of that outright. The people don't want another bad bill full of pork and special interest entitlements and giveaways. When they see what they have in the health care denial bill, they will go nuts.
Once they start seeing their Dad denied a heart bypass because he smokes, or Granny denied care because she is too old, all as they give benefits to illegal immigrants, the populus will loose it.
As it will be done in the context of huge increases in taxes, government regulation, unemployment, and energy costs as a direct result of dem policy, the people will exile dems to the wilderness for a generation.
The repugs are far from scared. They are just trying to limit the damage to the country as the dems self destruct. In 2010 it is my bet that pelosi will be minority leader, and they are quite aware of that.
I won't miss the dems, but I am wishing for something better than the repugs to turn to.
Once they start seeing their Dad denied a heart bypass because he smokes, or Granny denied care because she is too old, all as they give benefits to illegal immigrants, the populus will loose it.
As it will be done in the context of huge increases in taxes, government regulation, unemployment, and energy costs as a direct result of dem policy, the people will exile dems to the wilderness for a generation.
The repugs are far from scared. They are just trying to limit the damage to the country as the dems self destruct. In 2010 it is my bet that pelosi will be minority leader, and they are quite aware of that.
I won't miss the dems, but I am wishing for something better than the repugs to turn to.
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IT IS SIMPLY ESTABLISHED FACT. THERE IS NO PART OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Jul 22, 2009 12:20 AM
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platform that will improve the life of anyone in the whole United States. This means the poor, the middle class and, surprisingly to some, the wealthy. Statistically the wealthy do worse in a country with serious income equalities. The United States is among the worst.
I'm surprised that I read in these comments so many republican talking points that are so internally inconsistent that they fall upon inspection. Lets take just one point as a starter. The accusation is being made that "illegal aliens" will be qualifying for Social Security and health care. By definition an "illegal alien" does not have a legitimate Social Security number. After all what can you do without a social security number? These people often use the social security number of a deceased person or just change one digit in a legitimate number. You can't get medicare, you can't get medicaid, and you can't get social security on the strength of that. If an employer did pay social security on the basis of one of these numbers it would just get left there. There would be no one to draw it. I'm amazed at the careless thinking of my fellow man at times.
Though I would remind you that the children of an illegal in the U. S. do get citizenship and a social security number and benefits. It is not required that they get citizenship. The law is changeable. You do have to look like a villian. You are "picking on" kids.
Our real problem is the 42,000 paid lobbyiests (sp) in Washington D. C.
I'm surprised that I read in these comments so many republican talking points that are so internally inconsistent that they fall upon inspection. Lets take just one point as a starter. The accusation is being made that "illegal aliens" will be qualifying for Social Security and health care. By definition an "illegal alien" does not have a legitimate Social Security number. After all what can you do without a social security number? These people often use the social security number of a deceased person or just change one digit in a legitimate number. You can't get medicare, you can't get medicaid, and you can't get social security on the strength of that. If an employer did pay social security on the basis of one of these numbers it would just get left there. There would be no one to draw it. I'm amazed at the careless thinking of my fellow man at times.
Though I would remind you that the children of an illegal in the U. S. do get citizenship and a social security number and benefits. It is not required that they get citizenship. The law is changeable. You do have to look like a villian. You are "picking on" kids.
Our real problem is the 42,000 paid lobbyiests (sp) in Washington D. C.
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Most Democrats and Republicans are the same
Posted by: je5752 on Jul 22, 2009 3:36 AM
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There are two valid options for healthcare: 1) no government interference whatsoever, or 2) a single-payer plan. I support either option. If you're going to do something then do it right. We will not see either option, however, rather we will see some half-assed centrist abomination that favors special interests to the exclusion of the voters.
Look up the Nolan Chart. Most Democrats and Republicans fall in the center with a leaning toward Authoritarianism. There is no "Right" or "Left" in this country anymore. They are Centrist Authoritarians with a socially conservative and fiscally liberal ideology - the very worst combination possible. You see the Democrats gave up on civil liberties and the Republicans gave up on fiscal liberties. So now we have no liberty and no wealth to show for it.
Welcome to the Prison Planet as Alex Jones calls it.
Some people worth supporting and voting for: Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Rand Paul, Peter Schiff, Adam Kokesh, Jim DeMint and Alan Grayson. These are the people who recognize the evil of The Federal Reserve and how it is destroying the middle and lower classes for the sake of the wealthy, thus putting us back into a feudal state. If it wasn't for the Fed bending the American people over a barrel then we would be in a lot better shape to begin with and none of these problems like health care would be so difficult to handle.
P.S. Without the Federal Reserve creating the credit bubble and moral hazard we never would've had such a severe recession/depression/whatever-you-want-to-call-this-disaster in the first place. All of these side issues outside of monetary policy are relatively minor and easy to deal with. It is the absolute destruction of our nation's currency (and thus the wealth of all of its citizens) that truly threatens the safety of The Republic.
P.P.S. The entire financial products division of Goldman Sachs belongs in Guantanomo or Bagram or some secret CIA prison more than any "terrorist" that was ever put there from the Middle East. We can afford TARP and endless greenback printing from the Fed, but we can't afford single payer. Tell that to your hero Obama who wants to keep people in prison indefinitely without trial.
Look up the Nolan Chart. Most Democrats and Republicans fall in the center with a leaning toward Authoritarianism. There is no "Right" or "Left" in this country anymore. They are Centrist Authoritarians with a socially conservative and fiscally liberal ideology - the very worst combination possible. You see the Democrats gave up on civil liberties and the Republicans gave up on fiscal liberties. So now we have no liberty and no wealth to show for it.
Welcome to the Prison Planet as Alex Jones calls it.
Some people worth supporting and voting for: Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Rand Paul, Peter Schiff, Adam Kokesh, Jim DeMint and Alan Grayson. These are the people who recognize the evil of The Federal Reserve and how it is destroying the middle and lower classes for the sake of the wealthy, thus putting us back into a feudal state. If it wasn't for the Fed bending the American people over a barrel then we would be in a lot better shape to begin with and none of these problems like health care would be so difficult to handle.
P.S. Without the Federal Reserve creating the credit bubble and moral hazard we never would've had such a severe recession/depression/whatever-you-want-to-call-this-disaster in the first place. All of these side issues outside of monetary policy are relatively minor and easy to deal with. It is the absolute destruction of our nation's currency (and thus the wealth of all of its citizens) that truly threatens the safety of The Republic.
P.P.S. The entire financial products division of Goldman Sachs belongs in Guantanomo or Bagram or some secret CIA prison more than any "terrorist" that was ever put there from the Middle East. We can afford TARP and endless greenback printing from the Fed, but we can't afford single payer. Tell that to your hero Obama who wants to keep people in prison indefinitely without trial.
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here we go...
Posted by: ellie on Jul 22, 2009 8:44 AM
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another take on health care... just thoughts, so bear with me...
if we can't have single payor decent health coverage, then don't mess with the system besides caps on how much insurance companies and providers can charge you vs. their profit margin... make insurance companies bow to non-profit status and follow their butts to make sure they follow the law...
eliminate pre-existing clauses and denial of coverage suprises...
we have a dialectic problem when it comes to serious medical care... catastrophic care... we need to use living wills more and make the system honor our wishes... if you ask someone if they want to be alive at any cost with a zillion expensive drugs and million dollar medical equipment or destitute on the streets for life in incredible pain, which do you think a sane person would choose??? what about the issue of assisted suicide if you so choose???
there is a problem with our acceptance of mortality and longer life expectancies to the point that medicare is supposed to be broke in a few years anyway... we are living way beyond the means of a human body to repair itself...
personally, with my life threatening, no cure on the horizon in my lifetime condition, if our medical insurance suddenly dissipated, and we are in our 50's, I would not have a problem deciding to let nature take it's course... it would only take a few days or weeks anyway to kill me without one very expensive medication...
we need to reign in our sense of immortality and life at all costs as we rope in health care costs for all...
if we can't have single payor decent health coverage, then don't mess with the system besides caps on how much insurance companies and providers can charge you vs. their profit margin... make insurance companies bow to non-profit status and follow their butts to make sure they follow the law...
eliminate pre-existing clauses and denial of coverage suprises...
we have a dialectic problem when it comes to serious medical care... catastrophic care... we need to use living wills more and make the system honor our wishes... if you ask someone if they want to be alive at any cost with a zillion expensive drugs and million dollar medical equipment or destitute on the streets for life in incredible pain, which do you think a sane person would choose??? what about the issue of assisted suicide if you so choose???
there is a problem with our acceptance of mortality and longer life expectancies to the point that medicare is supposed to be broke in a few years anyway... we are living way beyond the means of a human body to repair itself...
personally, with my life threatening, no cure on the horizon in my lifetime condition, if our medical insurance suddenly dissipated, and we are in our 50's, I would not have a problem deciding to let nature take it's course... it would only take a few days or weeks anyway to kill me without one very expensive medication...
we need to reign in our sense of immortality and life at all costs as we rope in health care costs for all...
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WAKE UP!
Posted by: VTy on Jul 22, 2009 9:13 AM
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Effectively, this bill transforms the entire U.S. medical profession into nothing more than pill-pushing puppets. It wipes out the intelligence of a local doctor and replaces it with the stupidity of Big Government.
If the government says all expectant mothers must be screened for depression and put on antidepressant drugs, then all the doctors have to play along and do that if they don't want to be fined or have their medical licenses taken away. If the government says nutritional supplements are dangerous and cannot be recommended to patients, then all doctors must remain silent and avoid telling patients the truth about helpful nutritional supplements.
Whatever the government dictates must now be mirrored by all practicing doctors.
And don't forget: The U.S. government is largely controlled by the pharmaceutical companies, and that means these health care dictates are almost certain to emphasize pharmaceutical treatments, disease "screening" and disease mongering provisions designed to sell more drugs.
You can count on there being increased requirements for vaccinations
www.909shot.com
(HPV vaccines, too) and mental health screenings (psychiatric drugs, anyone?).
Communism is alive and well in America's health care system
Americans asked for health care, but what they got was Health Communism. There is absolutely no reason to believe that a centrally-controlled government body has any ability to make good health care decisions for individual patients across America. There is also no reason to believe the U.S. government will safeguard patient medical data or even respect the privacy of patients. This is the same government, after all, that has been caught routinely spying on its own citizens by tapping phone lines, emails, faxes and internet traffic.
If anything, the U.S. government has proven itself over the past few years to be the enemy of the American people on the issue of health care. Just look at the actions of the FDA in censoring nutritional supplement health claims (http://www.naturalnews.com/019366.html), or the FTC in assaulting herbal product companies (http://www.naturalnews.com/025303.html). This government is clearly dead set against health care in America, and the more we put government in charge of making health care decisions, the worse the outcome is going to be.
Obama cried "catastrophe" in urging lawmakers to pass this economic stimulus bill. It's funny how fear is now being used to pass every trillion-dollar spending scandal in Washington these days. That's one thing the government learned very well from 9/11 - fear sells. And it sold Congress on this stimulus bill, too.
But in terms of health care, the only thing this bill is going to stimulate is more disease, more dead Americans and more profits for Big Pharma.www.mercola.com
There's nothing in the bill about ending FDA censorship, or teaching the public about nutrition, or banning pharmaceutical advertising on television.
All this bill has accomplished is to spend Americans ever more quickly into financial destitution and medical desperation. It is one of the final nails in the coffin of American prosperity.
If the government says all expectant mothers must be screened for depression and put on antidepressant drugs, then all the doctors have to play along and do that if they don't want to be fined or have their medical licenses taken away. If the government says nutritional supplements are dangerous and cannot be recommended to patients, then all doctors must remain silent and avoid telling patients the truth about helpful nutritional supplements.
Whatever the government dictates must now be mirrored by all practicing doctors.
And don't forget: The U.S. government is largely controlled by the pharmaceutical companies, and that means these health care dictates are almost certain to emphasize pharmaceutical treatments, disease "screening" and disease mongering provisions designed to sell more drugs.
You can count on there being increased requirements for vaccinations
www.909shot.com
(HPV vaccines, too) and mental health screenings (psychiatric drugs, anyone?).
Communism is alive and well in America's health care system
Americans asked for health care, but what they got was Health Communism. There is absolutely no reason to believe that a centrally-controlled government body has any ability to make good health care decisions for individual patients across America. There is also no reason to believe the U.S. government will safeguard patient medical data or even respect the privacy of patients. This is the same government, after all, that has been caught routinely spying on its own citizens by tapping phone lines, emails, faxes and internet traffic.
If anything, the U.S. government has proven itself over the past few years to be the enemy of the American people on the issue of health care. Just look at the actions of the FDA in censoring nutritional supplement health claims (http://www.naturalnews.com/019366.html), or the FTC in assaulting herbal product companies (http://www.naturalnews.com/025303.html). This government is clearly dead set against health care in America, and the more we put government in charge of making health care decisions, the worse the outcome is going to be.
Obama cried "catastrophe" in urging lawmakers to pass this economic stimulus bill. It's funny how fear is now being used to pass every trillion-dollar spending scandal in Washington these days. That's one thing the government learned very well from 9/11 - fear sells. And it sold Congress on this stimulus bill, too.
But in terms of health care, the only thing this bill is going to stimulate is more disease, more dead Americans and more profits for Big Pharma.www.mercola.com
There's nothing in the bill about ending FDA censorship, or teaching the public about nutrition, or banning pharmaceutical advertising on television.
All this bill has accomplished is to spend Americans ever more quickly into financial destitution and medical desperation. It is one of the final nails in the coffin of American prosperity.
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leftbank
Posted by: markw4786 on Jul 22, 2009 12:01 PM
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This article is moot. There will be no meaningful health care reform and this is because of Democrats not Republicans. The "party of change, party of the people, the party of FDR" is really the party of corporate America. And their leader? Barack Obama is not much better. From the bank give away to Don Siegelman...from EFCA to the "clean air" act to Afghanistan. This breed ofd Democrats couldn't make toast from burnt bread. NInnies don't win fights!!!
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The Democrats are not 'reforming' American corporate-run 'Health Care' but propping it up instead
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It seems that Alternet's Democratic Party voting liberals are always entirely delusional when they write! Barack Obama is not proposing reforming anything, Stan! If you see these proposals as a battle for reform then good luck getting admitted to a Psych Clinic for your hallucinations, Dear Guy.
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HIgh-Larious
Posted by: login@bugmenot.com on Jul 22, 2009 3:27 PM
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Wake up Americans the Left vs Right Paradigm is false. They're playing us against each other! This is more evidence of the BS. Follow the travesty: There aren't enough trees and lamp posts in Washington!
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Paying For The Shortcomings Of Others.
Posted by: melpol on Jul 22, 2009 3:30 PM
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Healthcare insurance pays for the most frivolous medical procedures. It forces providers to raise their premiums. One example of a frivolous medical procedure is penile lengthening surgery. Insurances companies are willingly billed billions for these types of unnecessary operations. American`s are a compassionate people but paying the costs of a frustrated guys shortcomings is frivolous. Healthcare reform must end these unfair costs and save the American public billions.
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Maybe it is
Posted by: osd on Jul 22, 2009 6:01 PM
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Posted by: osd on Jul 22, 2009 6:01 PM
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time for the two party system to be toast. We need a good house cleaning and some real moral reform. All this Greedy turn a blind eye and lets not forget what all goes on for Corporations, in the name of the American people.
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OBAMA: KING OF SCAMWOW
Posted by: reelman on Jul 23, 2009 1:51 PM
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Posted by: reelman on Jul 23, 2009 1:51 PM
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Mark it. July 22, 2009.
This is the day when B. H. Obama simply ran out of charm, out of smiles, out of blameshifting, out of all logic, out of reality, out of mojo and out of credibility. If any other (non-historic) POTUS shot the voters and reporters this line of factless assertions they would forever be labeled a Dufus ScamWow.
Any thinking voter can take out a couple of lines most anywhere and see its baloney. The federal gov-meant is going to finance anything mostly by savings-efficiency? Now that IS historic. Not since the Grace Commission has there been any of that. Who does he think he is fooling?
The democrat gov-meant does not want to “take over health care”? Historic #2. Who does he think he is fooling?
The Republicans have no ideas? They submitted 38 amendments in the House…all were rejected…including the one about Congress being part of any new HC Plan. Who does he think he is fooling?
The HC Plan will not grow the debt? After Medicaide and Medicare went broke, after decades when most any major federal program (like M & M) quickly became 3-9x more costly than the “democrat selling price”…who does he think he is fooling?
This baloney speech from a serial liar who demanded we borrow a trillion from the Red Chinese to “stimulate” the economy six months ago!
He and his fellow socialists 4x the debt. Now he wants another trillion for HC? Who does he think he is fooling?
Voters have had enough of this wild spending and serial deception. Some are even laughing in the face of their congressman at meetings. Its a start. Keep in mind the next J. Carter Obama phases are taxes and inflation. By the extra shoes will be taken to meetings of these criminal thieves in congress. I say FAX FAX laugh laugh and throw throw.
Send supporters of these fiscal insanities home to stay in November 2010.
Wish the election was next week.
http://conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish
This is the day when B. H. Obama simply ran out of charm, out of smiles, out of blameshifting, out of all logic, out of reality, out of mojo and out of credibility. If any other (non-historic) POTUS shot the voters and reporters this line of factless assertions they would forever be labeled a Dufus ScamWow.
Any thinking voter can take out a couple of lines most anywhere and see its baloney. The federal gov-meant is going to finance anything mostly by savings-efficiency? Now that IS historic. Not since the Grace Commission has there been any of that. Who does he think he is fooling?
The democrat gov-meant does not want to “take over health care”? Historic #2. Who does he think he is fooling?
The Republicans have no ideas? They submitted 38 amendments in the House…all were rejected…including the one about Congress being part of any new HC Plan. Who does he think he is fooling?
The HC Plan will not grow the debt? After Medicaide and Medicare went broke, after decades when most any major federal program (like M & M) quickly became 3-9x more costly than the “democrat selling price”…who does he think he is fooling?
This baloney speech from a serial liar who demanded we borrow a trillion from the Red Chinese to “stimulate” the economy six months ago!
He and his fellow socialists 4x the debt. Now he wants another trillion for HC? Who does he think he is fooling?
Voters have had enough of this wild spending and serial deception. Some are even laughing in the face of their congressman at meetings. Its a start. Keep in mind the next J. Carter Obama phases are taxes and inflation. By the extra shoes will be taken to meetings of these criminal thieves in congress. I say FAX FAX laugh laugh and throw throw.
Send supporters of these fiscal insanities home to stay in November 2010.
Wish the election was next week.
http://conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish
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H CARE IDEAS U DON'T HEAR MUCH
Posted by: reelman on Jul 23, 2009 7:16 PM
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Posted by: reelman on Jul 23, 2009 7:16 PM
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H CARE IDEAS YOU DON’T HEAR MUCH
1…Every adult citizen should pay into the HC system…maybe a % like Social Security.
2…More consistent paying for the same services by insurance plans-companies.
3…Portability at the same cost for at least 6 months…to maybe a year.
4…Statewide and contiguous state(s) group pricing of plans.
5…Retiree portability out of their “state” networks so they can re-locate.
6…Illegals “out” and congress “in” for any new HC plan as a “given”.
7…Tax free medical savings accounts.
8…A national “free or nearly free” ideas group…an unpaid Medical Reform Commission (aka a medical Grace Commission).
http://conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish/
1…Every adult citizen should pay into the HC system…maybe a % like Social Security.
2…More consistent paying for the same services by insurance plans-companies.
3…Portability at the same cost for at least 6 months…to maybe a year.
4…Statewide and contiguous state(s) group pricing of plans.
5…Retiree portability out of their “state” networks so they can re-locate.
6…Illegals “out” and congress “in” for any new HC plan as a “given”.
7…Tax free medical savings accounts.
8…A national “free or nearly free” ideas group…an unpaid Medical Reform Commission (aka a medical Grace Commission).
http://conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish/
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1John1
Posted by: 1John1 on Jul 24, 2009 4:06 AM
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Posted by: 1John1 on Jul 24, 2009 4:06 AM
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Sorry to step into your grand Socialist/Marxist party.
My mistake.
Figured this was a website with 'normal' people who actually earn their own money and take responsibility for their own lives - people who might believe in a crzy thing called the Constitution (i.e., people who believe in freedom).
There we go ... got my Che Guevera T-shirt on. I'm with ya now. Yeah - Stick it to da man!! Heck Yeah! Universal Health Care, Baby! It's FREE!!!! And I want a FREE college education!! I won't find too much work with my Gender Studies Degree, but I'll be really smart (but broke). I want some money for a house!!! Hey - it's just "fair" and "humane" - why should I not have a house. And sign me up for lots of that "Earned" (hyuk, hyuk, hyuk) Income Tax Credit. Yeah, I know, someone else did the "earning" part of that, but hey, let's all spread the wealth - it's only fair!
Power to the PEOPLE, Baby!!! (big fist in air pumping).
My mistake.
Figured this was a website with 'normal' people who actually earn their own money and take responsibility for their own lives - people who might believe in a crzy thing called the Constitution (i.e., people who believe in freedom).
There we go ... got my Che Guevera T-shirt on. I'm with ya now. Yeah - Stick it to da man!! Heck Yeah! Universal Health Care, Baby! It's FREE!!!! And I want a FREE college education!! I won't find too much work with my Gender Studies Degree, but I'll be really smart (but broke). I want some money for a house!!! Hey - it's just "fair" and "humane" - why should I not have a house. And sign me up for lots of that "Earned" (hyuk, hyuk, hyuk) Income Tax Credit. Yeah, I know, someone else did the "earning" part of that, but hey, let's all spread the wealth - it's only fair!
Power to the PEOPLE, Baby!!! (big fist in air pumping).
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Health Care is B.S. It's nothing. Nothing will come of it.
Posted by: Stu Piddy on Jul 25, 2009 7:00 PM
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Posted by: Stu Piddy on Jul 25, 2009 7:00 PM
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I think Health Care is not the main issue at all.
The economy is seen as separate from Healthcare...and the wars of the world as instigated by the fascist American regimes of Bush and Obama will be at the forefront.
Healthcare will fizzle to nothing and end up being something along the lines of a appointed by government regulatory agency run by former insurance executives who have decided to perform government service to "give back" ...while they await making connections with the government ...at which time they go back into private insurance to make even more money. The revolving door, making government and private business utterly seamless and meaningless.
Just like the financial industry.
The idea that Obama will do anything is a mirage for pretentious liberal thinkers who vision of reality is born of a American suburb...and that contrasts with the Afghanistan village where there is no healthcare program to fend of real metal bombs dropped by Democrats and Republicans who vote to fund meaningless wars and imaginary health care programs that benefit only the insurance industry.
The economy is seen as separate from Healthcare...and the wars of the world as instigated by the fascist American regimes of Bush and Obama will be at the forefront.
Healthcare will fizzle to nothing and end up being something along the lines of a appointed by government regulatory agency run by former insurance executives who have decided to perform government service to "give back" ...while they await making connections with the government ...at which time they go back into private insurance to make even more money. The revolving door, making government and private business utterly seamless and meaningless.
Just like the financial industry.
The idea that Obama will do anything is a mirage for pretentious liberal thinkers who vision of reality is born of a American suburb...and that contrasts with the Afghanistan village where there is no healthcare program to fend of real metal bombs dropped by Democrats and Republicans who vote to fund meaningless wars and imaginary health care programs that benefit only the insurance industry.
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OBAMA FADES IN THE POLLS...B CAUSE
Posted by: reelman on Jul 27, 2009 7:57 AM
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OBAMA=SECUAR SOCIALISM=FALLING POLLS
July 27, 2009
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 30% of the nation’s voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President.
Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -10.
CRAWFISH NOTE: Its been mentioned that J. Carter Obama’s rating has dropped below his mentor Jimmah C.
Was your first clue of falling polls the failing trillion dollar ‘STIM” borrowed from the Chinese to buy votes? Was it the 4x of the national debt in under 6 months? Was it the disgusting apology tour? Was it the pandering to kooks? Was it the way-to-often conferences to preach and lie?
Was it the near 10% jobless? Was it the failure to produce a birth certificate while spending big bucks to fight its release?
Was it the ACORN stormtroopers? Was it the many kook appointments? Was it the obvious anal poisoning of the media? Was it threat of higher taxes next year? Was it your retirement fund statement last month after all the spending and rhetoric? Was it the nationalized health care bill and details he hid? Was it his constant hammering of “rich people” when he is one? Was it his constant negative tone about so many things?
http://conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish
July 27, 2009
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 30% of the nation’s voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President.
Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -10.
CRAWFISH NOTE: Its been mentioned that J. Carter Obama’s rating has dropped below his mentor Jimmah C.
Was your first clue of falling polls the failing trillion dollar ‘STIM” borrowed from the Chinese to buy votes? Was it the 4x of the national debt in under 6 months? Was it the disgusting apology tour? Was it the pandering to kooks? Was it the way-to-often conferences to preach and lie?
Was it the near 10% jobless? Was it the failure to produce a birth certificate while spending big bucks to fight its release?
Was it the ACORN stormtroopers? Was it the many kook appointments? Was it the obvious anal poisoning of the media? Was it threat of higher taxes next year? Was it your retirement fund statement last month after all the spending and rhetoric? Was it the nationalized health care bill and details he hid? Was it his constant hammering of “rich people” when he is one? Was it his constant negative tone about so many things?
http://conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish
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HC PLAN U CAN'T HAVE!
Posted by: reelman on Jul 27, 2009 9:44 AM
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Posted by: reelman on Jul 27, 2009 9:44 AM
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HERE IS THE H-PLAN CONGRESS WON’T CHANGE
Ever wonder why people spend a million to get a job paying under $175k? Our arrogant congressional royalty…
you know, the one that raises its own pay in a severe recession and lusts only for 40 years in the D.C. power bubble, that royalty.
Ever realized their health care coverage WE pay for with taxes?
According to the May 2009 CR…
this is what they have in their FEDERAL Employees Health Benefits Program:
1…No annual or lifetime limits for major services
2…$300 deductible per person and $600 per family
3…Limited 5k a year they pay with preferred providers (which includes most deductibles, co-insurance and co-pays)
Covered Services are:
1…In and out-patient care, visits, surgery and mental health care
2…Prescriptions and diagnostic tests
3…Preventative care including routine shots
4…Chem and radiation therapy
5…Family Planning and organ-tissue transplants
6…Durable med equip and artificial limbs
7…physical, occupational and speech therapy
They pay $152 a MONTH each or $357 a FAMILY.
Okay, take out your family policy and compare.
The folks that “understand” your family struggles have this program.
The feds are special, you and your family are not.
Ask yourself why we can’t have the same coverage.
(this is only one of at least a dozen perks on US)
P.S. The hundreds of thousands of federal gov-meant employees will NOT be included in any new bill either!
Did I mention the secular socialist Party voted down an amendment to include these groups?
http://conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish
Ever wonder why people spend a million to get a job paying under $175k? Our arrogant congressional royalty…
you know, the one that raises its own pay in a severe recession and lusts only for 40 years in the D.C. power bubble, that royalty.
Ever realized their health care coverage WE pay for with taxes?
According to the May 2009 CR…
this is what they have in their FEDERAL Employees Health Benefits Program:
1…No annual or lifetime limits for major services
2…$300 deductible per person and $600 per family
3…Limited 5k a year they pay with preferred providers (which includes most deductibles, co-insurance and co-pays)
Covered Services are:
1…In and out-patient care, visits, surgery and mental health care
2…Prescriptions and diagnostic tests
3…Preventative care including routine shots
4…Chem and radiation therapy
5…Family Planning and organ-tissue transplants
6…Durable med equip and artificial limbs
7…physical, occupational and speech therapy
They pay $152 a MONTH each or $357 a FAMILY.
Okay, take out your family policy and compare.
The folks that “understand” your family struggles have this program.
The feds are special, you and your family are not.
Ask yourself why we can’t have the same coverage.
(this is only one of at least a dozen perks on US)
P.S. The hundreds of thousands of federal gov-meant employees will NOT be included in any new bill either!
Did I mention the secular socialist Party voted down an amendment to include these groups?
http://conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish
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