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Hunter Thompson Knew It Well: Robert McNamara's Vision for America Was Imperial and Elitist
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The announcement of Robert McNamara's death brought the good Doctor Hunter S. Thompson to mind. These two men were contemporaries on the public and political stage. While vastly different in so many ways, Thompson and McNamara were profoundly American and their stories offer some thoughts on where we are today.
McNamara entered public view first, while entering the public stage as Defense Secretary for JFK, Thompson was hitching a ride on a smuggling boat to disembark on the shores of Columbia with a few dollars in his pocket, spending a couple years in South America honing his skills as a journalist. Thompson, though younger in age by a couple decades, was a much older American. Nietzsche said true radicals were much older than their times, and this was true of Hunter. Thompson was a son of the old republic; high school graduate, relished his independence, considered the Bill of Rights sacred, became an outstanding member of the free press, and in his one attempt in electoral politics ran locally for Sheriff of Pitkin County Colorado.
McNamara on the other hand was very much of a younger age, a product of the 20th century, of the republic as it evolved from the twin challenges of the Depression and World War II. He had a degree from Harvard Business School and rose to be President of Ford Motor Company. Mr. McNamara defined the word technocrat. He had a fanatical faith in the omniscience of numbers and models, which as Defense Secretary, he would use monstrously on the people of South East Asia. "The Best and the Brightest," David Halberstam ironically labeled McNamara and his fellow cohorts who conducted the Vietnam War.
Today, Mr. McNamara's ilk remain very much in charge. Our political system is even more centralized than it was when he was at Defense. The idea that technocrats can run a large and unwieldy government is the true-faith of DC. While we are no longer bombing SE Asia, we kill with the same technical ferocity in the illegitimate wars of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. While our auto companies, no longer the shining star of global industry, still remain vital to the health of the US economy, or so we are told from DC. And behind the present financial fiasco, we find any number of well educated young men working in elaborate offices and manipulating numbers and formulas thinking they control the world. And yes, at the same time committing fraud after fraud, and lying through their teeth every step of the way.
Mr. McNamara's America is a fairly ugly place, it is in so many ways against the politics of this republic's founding. It is imperial, elitist, and predatory. Today, we are in desperate need of Dr. Thompson's sensibility to castrate power, to uphold the idea that anyone with great power, deserves even greater distrust. A revival of the truth that any system of self-government, needs no great power, no great leaders, it needs good citizens. We all need a little more of the strength of the old republic about us, not to avert our eyes from the belly of the beast, but to stare straight at it, and get involved to change it.
Doctor Thompson had scary accurate political instincts. He was a self-appointed Doctor of Journalism, whose beat he said was the death of the American dream. About a year before he left, he said the final half of the 20th century in America would look to history as a "party by a bunch of rich kids." That's quite an epithet for a couple of generations who were the wealthiest and most widely educated in world history. That, as the good Doctor would say, is heavy stuff Bubba.
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Posted by: Spot on Jul 7, 2009 12:31 AM
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» And still paying the guy at the door with i o u's - well said, Spot. -(nfc)
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Posted by: masthead on Jul 7, 2009 1:04 AM
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this is a nice slight-of-hand tactic by our govt to give us the illusion we have more political freedom when it's purposefully creating more confusion for voter registration which a centralized govt can take full advantage of. gore vidal was telling americans about the existence of a one-party system for decades and now some people are acting like they really discovered something new, well it may be too late now to do anything about it.
our all-powerful executive still has to solve the problem of providing permanent security to its citizens which has been complicated by climate change, bank failures, the problem of creating a stable world, otherwise the concern they’ve been managing ever since this country was founded will be for nothing. so far they’ve only partially succeeded in getting us to love our servitude: through the technique of suggestion, the science of human differences (making sure people are put into their proper place in the social and economic hierarchy), a fool-proof system of eugenics to standardize the human product (actually we are pretty far along in this) that makes it easier for our managers. the use of religion and war has helped push humans to extremes to create a centralized nationalized state, us vs. the evil ones, the horror of a real militarized totalitarian state is closer upon us than we may think, we’ve got to decentralize and use science, not as an end to which human beings are to be made the means but as a means to producing a race of free individuals.
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Posted by: Carts on Jul 7, 2009 2:16 AM
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The Pentagon Papers show the crims in the Whitehouse of Lies knew the history of Vietnam and that they would never win.
Vietnam was a theatrical holocaust designed to prove America's resolve to intimidate and bankrupt Russia.
JFK would never have committed ground troops - he sent advisers ONLY - just read Ellberg's "Secrets" - RFK thumps the table and says:
"Jack would NEVER have sent troops into Vietnam"
JFK was shot by LBJ and the JCS. Vietnam was the last straw after the Bay of Pigs - the JCS wanted war - and with LBJ and Nixon they got 10 years.
McNamara is as guilty as Himmler.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Jul 7, 2009 2:46 AM
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"THEN WHY THE HELL DID YOU NOT RESIGN???"
By the way, only twice in my life have I been unable to finish a book I started. One of them was McNamara's autobiography (The other was "Dutch" by Edmund Morris). The book was so mind-wrenchingly boring and self-serving, it was unreadable.
God have mercy on his soul.
Senator Al
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» The fog of war hasn't lifted yet
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Posted by: pfgetty on Jul 7, 2009 2:58 AM
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Cheyney brought us 911. The press, including Alternet, has kept quiet about the truth.
It would have been, in both cases, so easy to stop the horrific wars and killing and maiming. But the press never considered considered it, and it is the same today.
Apparently, it will be the same tomorrow.
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I don't believe in god delusion but for men like McNamara I sure hope there is a hell as described by Dante: McNamara et al ought to be in the outer ring of the 7th circle of hell...
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Posted by: MeyravLevine on Jul 7, 2009 6:30 AM
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McNamara will be given a honorable burial but if we were a civilized society, men like McNamara would have died in prison for the crimes they committed against millions of innocent people.
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Posted by: Illiteratilumen on Jul 7, 2009 6:46 AM
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Decades from now people will remember Hunter Thompson as a great American. They will remember McNamara as old and evil.
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Posted by: ClassAct on Jul 7, 2009 7:33 AM
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I saw how the technocrats are protected by academics and the legitimate concerns of the public are dismissed as mere ignorance – there is always someone whose book you have not read, after all.
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jul 7, 2009 7:56 AM
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"And these technocracies, these transnationals, do not meet any of the academic definitions of capitalism. They are not capitalistic.The people who have been lecturing us for 25 years, a quarter of a century, on the need to be capitalistic and to take risk, these people themselves work for corporations which are not capitalistic
After all, the transnationals are run by technocrats, business school technocrats, bureaucrats, managers, employees. These people don't have any shares, they don't risk anything. The only shares they've got they got either free from the company, or by borrowing money from the company which your national law may or may not allow them to do without paying interest
...
How do they live? Since they don't take risks and they don't do R and D and they don't have much imagination, and they don't have any capitalistic characteristics
Well they're rather like draculas - they buy a lot of real capitalistic companies that are real owned by people who have shares and take risks, and are doing R and D and taking risks, and they buy them before they get too big so they're not too expensive and then it's like an injection of fresh blood, and the transnationals suck the blood out of them. They buy two or three and after a couple of years they've sucked all the blood out and they're feeling rather sloth so they buy some more
... It's one of the main causes of economic crisis that we're in, that these transnationals are buying up the real intelligence and force in our economy.
They keep themselves going by pretending that they're being capitalists. Mergers, acquisitions, total inflationary activity which has nothing whatsoever to do with capitalism, with investment, with creation, with risk. In the United States alone in 1998, two-and-a-half trillion Australian dollars was spent on mergers and acquisitions - total inflationary activity which, on top of being inflationary, actually is done usually by indebting totally the company bought, and that debt actually holds those companies back when they're merged from doing anything interesting because they have much larger debt ratios than any government
They spend all their time attacking the debt of government, but it's the debt of the private sector which is out of control
The live by encouraging privatisation, which allows these extremely lazy and not very imaginative people to get a hold of fully developed utilities which don't require any risk or imagination and they're able to sit there and basically clip their coupons as you flush your toilets
So we're through privatisation, there are many ways of moving if you think governments are too big, moving things like water out of government into a sort of independent area of the public sector where there be a rotating board of directors of a non-profit organisation and the board would be citizens - that can be done if you're worried about how heavy government is. But by moving it into the private sector you're bleeding real investment capital on the private sector, you're rewarding laziness and you're rewarding these managers who go about in capitalistic drag
Directionless corporations whose only purpose is to avoid collapse through constant expansion are a classic method, a situation which inevitably prevents sensible self-examination. A purpose that they have - avoid competition - and indeed the rhetoric which they paid for, the free-market rhetoric which they paid for is in fact the reality of the lives that they live." - John Ralston Saul
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Posted by: Jaffe on Jul 7, 2009 9:51 AM
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In his 1996 mea culpa autobiography In Retrospect he actually admits that the US war in Vietnam and Cambodia was wrong, purposeless, even immoral; and moreover he realized the wrongness of the war even while he was conducting it as Secretary of Defense.
But on his book tours when he was questioned, at Harvard, for example, as to why he--one of the prime architects of the misguided war--didn't stop it, he actually became indignant. His mealy-mouthed explanation was that he was a member of the team and it wasn't his place to question his President.
But then while LBJ was still conducting the war McNamara resigned and became president of the World Bank. Why didn't he speak out against the war then? His ill-tempered response was that he was too busy with his demanding new obligations to raise the issue of the Vietnam War, immoral as it was.
In his least years the cyborg-like ex-technician of mass murder became teary-eyed as he reflected on his life. He wanted to make peace with his maker, but his piousness and hypocrisy were much too far advanced--at the expense of how many millions of Vietnamese and Americans killed or maimed in yet another misbegotten war?
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Posted by: kc10ken on Jul 7, 2009 6:29 PM
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WHAT WAS AMERICA THINKING?
How in God's name did we let this BASTARD, along with LBJ, Nixon and Westmoreland, talk us into allowing 58,000 American boys to die FOR NOTHING?
Burn in hell Mr. MacNamara...burn in hell you bastard!
Good riddance
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Posted by: johnwinthrop on Jul 8, 2009 12:24 PM
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Govt- no limits. Obama. McNamara.
You want a gun? Buy one. Giving technocrats access to guns and weapons by the millions is insane.
But our "progressive" movement, the Schumers, Frankens, Kennedys, Clintons- govt can't be big enough, and freedom can't be small enough.
Michelle Obama would never get it.
Hunter Thompson was scary. Freedom is. A true conservative. He'd blast(literally and figuratively W and Obama with one bullet, if he could.
No child left behind? How about tell the kids to get lost and return in twelve or twenty years? That would scare the "soccer moms" and the bureaucrats of Arnie Duncan's Dept of Education. Oh, that's experimental Barack, make the Super of Schools of CHICAGO Sec. of Education. WhOOOOOOOOOOOA!!!!!!
I think I'll read some Walden. You alternetters are so nowhere. You don't even know why Thoreau was a conservative, and you think you know why Cheney is a conservative.
In the sixties, we'd say about people like you, "you're so out of it."
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Posted by: Spot on Jul 7, 2009 12:31 AM
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Posted by: masthead on Jul 7, 2009 1:04 AM
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this is a nice slight-of-hand tactic by our govt to give us the illusion we have more political freedom when it's purposefully creating more confusion for voter registration which a centralized govt can take full advantage of. gore vidal was telling americans about the existence of a one-party system for decades and now some people are acting like they really discovered something new, well it may be too late now to do anything about it.
our all-powerful executive still has to solve the problem of providing permanent security to its citizens which has been complicated by climate change, bank failures, the problem of creating a stable world, otherwise the concern they’ve been managing ever since this country was founded will be for nothing. so far they’ve only partially succeeded in getting us to love our servitude: through the technique of suggestion, the science of human differences (making sure people are put into their proper place in the social and economic hierarchy), a fool-proof system of eugenics to standardize the human product (actually we are pretty far along in this) that makes it easier for our managers. the use of religion and war has helped push humans to extremes to create a centralized nationalized state, us vs. the evil ones, the horror of a real militarized totalitarian state is closer upon us than we may think, we’ve got to decentralize and use science, not as an end to which human beings are to be made the means but as a means to producing a race of free individuals.
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Posted by: Carts on Jul 7, 2009 2:16 AM
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The Pentagon Papers show the crims in the Whitehouse of Lies knew the history of Vietnam and that they would never win.
Vietnam was a theatrical holocaust designed to prove America's resolve to intimidate and bankrupt Russia.
JFK would never have committed ground troops - he sent advisers ONLY - just read Ellberg's "Secrets" - RFK thumps the table and says:
"Jack would NEVER have sent troops into Vietnam"
JFK was shot by LBJ and the JCS. Vietnam was the last straw after the Bay of Pigs - the JCS wanted war - and with LBJ and Nixon they got 10 years.
McNamara is as guilty as Himmler.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Jul 7, 2009 2:46 AM
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"THEN WHY THE HELL DID YOU NOT RESIGN???"
By the way, only twice in my life have I been unable to finish a book I started. One of them was McNamara's autobiography (The other was "Dutch" by Edmund Morris). The book was so mind-wrenchingly boring and self-serving, it was unreadable.
God have mercy on his soul.
Senator Al
Tom Degan
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» And someone else would have carried out the plan.....
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» The fog of war hasn't lifted yet
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Posted by: pfgetty on Jul 7, 2009 2:58 AM
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Cheyney brought us 911. The press, including Alternet, has kept quiet about the truth.
It would have been, in both cases, so easy to stop the horrific wars and killing and maiming. But the press never considered considered it, and it is the same today.
Apparently, it will be the same tomorrow.
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» And to do that, getting to a different future, we need a responsible press. We do not have that.
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» The article's title says Imperial; thus, I can post my off-topic 911 denier propaganda.
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I don't believe in god delusion but for men like McNamara I sure hope there is a hell as described by Dante: McNamara et al ought to be in the outer ring of the 7th circle of hell...
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Posted by: MeyravLevine on Jul 7, 2009 6:30 AM
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McNamara will be given a honorable burial but if we were a civilized society, men like McNamara would have died in prison for the crimes they committed against millions of innocent people.
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» Oh. You mean Scottish men don't use the word the way U.S. men do?
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» Hagwind, when will you learn that Americans don't speak English.
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» I don't recall asking a question, so why did you respond?
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Posted by: Illiteratilumen on Jul 7, 2009 6:46 AM
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Decades from now people will remember Hunter Thompson as a great American. They will remember McNamara as old and evil.
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Posted by: ClassAct on Jul 7, 2009 7:33 AM
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I saw how the technocrats are protected by academics and the legitimate concerns of the public are dismissed as mere ignorance – there is always someone whose book you have not read, after all.
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jul 7, 2009 7:56 AM
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"And these technocracies, these transnationals, do not meet any of the academic definitions of capitalism. They are not capitalistic.The people who have been lecturing us for 25 years, a quarter of a century, on the need to be capitalistic and to take risk, these people themselves work for corporations which are not capitalistic
After all, the transnationals are run by technocrats, business school technocrats, bureaucrats, managers, employees. These people don't have any shares, they don't risk anything. The only shares they've got they got either free from the company, or by borrowing money from the company which your national law may or may not allow them to do without paying interest
...
How do they live? Since they don't take risks and they don't do R and D and they don't have much imagination, and they don't have any capitalistic characteristics
Well they're rather like draculas - they buy a lot of real capitalistic companies that are real owned by people who have shares and take risks, and are doing R and D and taking risks, and they buy them before they get too big so they're not too expensive and then it's like an injection of fresh blood, and the transnationals suck the blood out of them. They buy two or three and after a couple of years they've sucked all the blood out and they're feeling rather sloth so they buy some more
... It's one of the main causes of economic crisis that we're in, that these transnationals are buying up the real intelligence and force in our economy.
They keep themselves going by pretending that they're being capitalists. Mergers, acquisitions, total inflationary activity which has nothing whatsoever to do with capitalism, with investment, with creation, with risk. In the United States alone in 1998, two-and-a-half trillion Australian dollars was spent on mergers and acquisitions - total inflationary activity which, on top of being inflationary, actually is done usually by indebting totally the company bought, and that debt actually holds those companies back when they're merged from doing anything interesting because they have much larger debt ratios than any government
They spend all their time attacking the debt of government, but it's the debt of the private sector which is out of control
The live by encouraging privatisation, which allows these extremely lazy and not very imaginative people to get a hold of fully developed utilities which don't require any risk or imagination and they're able to sit there and basically clip their coupons as you flush your toilets
So we're through privatisation, there are many ways of moving if you think governments are too big, moving things like water out of government into a sort of independent area of the public sector where there be a rotating board of directors of a non-profit organisation and the board would be citizens - that can be done if you're worried about how heavy government is. But by moving it into the private sector you're bleeding real investment capital on the private sector, you're rewarding laziness and you're rewarding these managers who go about in capitalistic drag
Directionless corporations whose only purpose is to avoid collapse through constant expansion are a classic method, a situation which inevitably prevents sensible self-examination. A purpose that they have - avoid competition - and indeed the rhetoric which they paid for, the free-market rhetoric which they paid for is in fact the reality of the lives that they live." - John Ralston Saul
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In his 1996 mea culpa autobiography In Retrospect he actually admits that the US war in Vietnam and Cambodia was wrong, purposeless, even immoral; and moreover he realized the wrongness of the war even while he was conducting it as Secretary of Defense.
But on his book tours when he was questioned, at Harvard, for example, as to why he--one of the prime architects of the misguided war--didn't stop it, he actually became indignant. His mealy-mouthed explanation was that he was a member of the team and it wasn't his place to question his President.
But then while LBJ was still conducting the war McNamara resigned and became president of the World Bank. Why didn't he speak out against the war then? His ill-tempered response was that he was too busy with his demanding new obligations to raise the issue of the Vietnam War, immoral as it was.
In his least years the cyborg-like ex-technician of mass murder became teary-eyed as he reflected on his life. He wanted to make peace with his maker, but his piousness and hypocrisy were much too far advanced--at the expense of how many millions of Vietnamese and Americans killed or maimed in yet another misbegotten war?
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WHAT WAS AMERICA THINKING?
How in God's name did we let this BASTARD, along with LBJ, Nixon and Westmoreland, talk us into allowing 58,000 American boys to die FOR NOTHING?
Burn in hell Mr. MacNamara...burn in hell you bastard!
Good riddance
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Posted by: johnwinthrop on Jul 8, 2009 12:24 PM
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Govt- no limits. Obama. McNamara.
You want a gun? Buy one. Giving technocrats access to guns and weapons by the millions is insane.
But our "progressive" movement, the Schumers, Frankens, Kennedys, Clintons- govt can't be big enough, and freedom can't be small enough.
Michelle Obama would never get it.
Hunter Thompson was scary. Freedom is. A true conservative. He'd blast(literally and figuratively W and Obama with one bullet, if he could.
No child left behind? How about tell the kids to get lost and return in twelve or twenty years? That would scare the "soccer moms" and the bureaucrats of Arnie Duncan's Dept of Education. Oh, that's experimental Barack, make the Super of Schools of CHICAGO Sec. of Education. WhOOOOOOOOOOOA!!!!!!
I think I'll read some Walden. You alternetters are so nowhere. You don't even know why Thoreau was a conservative, and you think you know why Cheney is a conservative.
In the sixties, we'd say about people like you, "you're so out of it."
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