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Progressives Have a Chance to Dominate American Politics for the Next 40 Years
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I'm going to offer a couple of reason why the long-term prospects for the progressive movement are actually pretty good. I think in the long term, the spirit of the country is with us, and there's a couple of reasons for that. Then I want to get into three core strategies that I think we need to focus on to make the most of the opportunity.
So, I want to say flat out that I think that the progressive movement has real potential to be a lot longer and a lot stronger than most people think. And I'll flat out say -- if we play our cards right, we progressives have the potential to dominate American politics for the next 40 years. We have a huge opening here.
There are a couple of reasons for this. The first one is the millennial generation, the kids born between 1980 and 2000. They are anywhere between 10 and their mid-20s right now, and they put in their first historic appearance in the 2008 election. They were the ones who really got Obama fever and put him over the top. They are far and away the most multiracial generation in American history -- about a third of them identify as mixed race.
Unlike their elders, they were raised from babyhood into consummate team players and self-organizers. They believe in the power of the collective. It's in their bones. They understand the power of collective action. They organize into teams. They have raised the use of technology in self-organization to a generational art form. They believe in community. They are progressive, in their bones, to their core. Kudos to their boomer and Gen Xer parents who raised them that way.
They're also natural born systems thinkers. They know that the problems that we're facing aren't isolated pieces and parts that can be solved by this committee and that agency. They understand that its all one thing and that if you're going to solve it all, you've got to tackle it all. And there are strategies that they use to do that, and they've been taught these strategies by their entertainment and their families from babyhood.
This unique generation caught Obama fever at the critical age, when people's lifetime political attitudes are shaped. They are progressives now, and if we don't let them down, most of them will be for life. And both their sheer numbers and their solid organizing skills make them a very solid bedrock on which we can easily build a progressive structure that could stand until 2050.
Along these same lines, let's not discount the power of collective memory. In the post-war era, conservatism had a hard time making a comeback as long as most of the country's voter base had its memories of 1929 and World War II. Religious and free-market fundamentalism had a hard time getting any traction in the post-war decades because our grandparents knew first hand where that road led, and they weren't having any of it.
It was only in the 1970s when those old survivors were finally outnumbered by younger voters that anyone could take their ideas seriously again. Likewise, today's conservatives are going to have a really hard time of it as long as there's anybody around who remembers the crash of 2008, and that's going to be a good long while.
The other reason the coming years belong to progressives is that there are deep structural shifts afoot that no conservative media dissembling, no amount of bank bailout money and no amount of willful denial can continue to paper over.
The corporatist order has failed us utterly and completely. Most of us here know this -- we've done the math. We know that an economy built on dwindling oil supplies, vast global inequities, and exploiting the resources of a finite earth is simply not sustainable. The current is recession is happening in no small part because we are finally bumping up against these facts. K Street and Wall Street both think they can rearrange the deck chairs and get things back to normal -- defined as five years ago. But here on the progressive side of Main Street, we know that normal as we've known it in the post-war era is over. And rearranging deck chairs isn't going to help when the whole boat is sinking.
The country has faced crisis points like this one before. And when it does, it always turns to its progressive side. Conservatives are just constitutionally incapable of providing the answers, vision or the incentive to lead America to a new kind of future. And the sooner and more decisively we progressives step forward and show America where we want to take it, the more confidence they'll have in our ability to lead them there.
This is the best moment we've had in 80 years. The country is hungry for big changes. It's time for us to step forward boldly, give them a new vision to grab onto, and show them just how much better things can be.
But we also need to make sure that the cons stay bottled up. The first part of that is to write a full and accurate history of the Bush years -- the kind of history that makes inquiries, takes account, names names and kicks butts.
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Posted by: DrBrian on Jun 10, 2009 12:26 AM
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Posted by: Moonray on Jun 10, 2009 12:26 AM
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Also, Obama is becoming a big disappointment. He has broken several campaign promises, and it now appears that his entire campaign was a "bait-and-switch" operation to ensure that the corporate bigwigs who run the nation continued to run things. As usual, they are getting their way again on almost every issue.
"Progressives" might prevail in upcoming elections, but it won't matter if those "progressives" are just corporate shills who cling to the status quo, as Obama is doing. Many of us who voted Democratic will not bother to vote or will switch to some independent party in protest.
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Posted by: johnwinthrop on Jun 10, 2009 12:59 AM
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The Tidal Wall of Inflation triggered by Obama's insane spending programs and Bernanke's frantic printing money backed by nothing will drown American, its dollar and its economy in several years.
Obama goes down. "Progressive" ideas go down. Perhaps a brief Republican interregnum, but they are big spenders and tax cutters-they can't solve the problem of monetary collapse and utter distrust of constitutional govt. Combined with outrage at the newly "legalized" illegal immigrants, who seem to do just fine as the rest of us lose what equity we have in our homes and what savings we have,
Nationalism will sweep away the tired dust of "democracy", diversity, and bashing of tradtional working class values and European based culture.
Gosh. Just as the NeoSixties were back under the Smooth One, they will be over. Twenty dollars for a beer? They should be over.
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Posted by: Fred Flintstone on Jun 10, 2009 1:27 AM
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Got NEWS for you..."Progressives", "Conservatives" "Democrats", "Republicans" etc. do not RUN JACK SHIT in this country. The corporate elite who have owned this place since 1620 do. We like to call it a "democracy" or a "constitutional republic" but in reality it is, and always has been, a corporatocracy an oligarchy of the "ownership" class.
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» People will have health care as long as they pay, which they will.
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Jun 10, 2009 2:33 AM
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Too bad they can't write songs or pick Presidential candidates for sh*t. :(
Swine
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Posted by: ~Fiona~ on Jun 10, 2009 2:49 AM
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» So much "Gloom and Doom"...
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Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on Jun 10, 2009 2:53 AM
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According to Barack, he was going to bring about change by changing the atmosphere in Washington. Create consensus.
That's the argument anyway - we all remember the Change Revolution that was the Democratic take back of Congress in 2006, and how well that paid off for the average American and the guys getting shot at in Iraq.
In Obama's world, the Republicans who have been hard at work screwing the country over for as long as possible are going to repent, rather than do what they can to get what they want.
Has this author given pause to think about his bipartisan change schtick for two seconds?
Bipartisanship doesn't work with the current crop of Repukes. Coming to an agreement with them on something like Social Security implies half-destroying it, rather than fully destroying it. (Incidentally, Goldman Sachs, Obama's largest contributor, is a huge investment bank that has been committed to the partial privatization of Social Security and banking industry deregulation. Keep that in mind when you hear Obama talking about "protecting Social Security".)
But this is how it goes in the Amerikkka today. Politics is cyclical.
When the right-wing gets the pendulum swinging their way, they run amok with deregulation, union busting, militarism, slashing social programs, and corporate welfare.
Then the current crop of "prgressives" will get the ball and they try to make friends and play nice with the guys that have been lobbing grenades at them for the past years, basically just treading water, no real progress. Then the right gets power again and they run their playbook again, running rampant. Essentially three steps backward and then run in place (at best).
And on and on rightward-ho we go, until unilateral invasions on false pretenses are something normal, war crimes are "off the table", and torture's something that's sort of, yeah, unfortunate, but hey what are people gonna do, endorsing huge bailouts to corporations and not the people that need it, and on and on it goes. Oh yeah, that's where we are today folks.
The fact that a segment of the population rejects that philosophy is an indictment of the Democrapic Party, not of the REAL progressives they turn away as a result of what they choose to stand for.
Take single-payer healthcare; it's the most affordable, most efficient way of providing it. The way it works is to pay doctors money to make people healthy, rather than pay insurance companies to keep a lot of the money and give what's left to doctors to make people healthy. This isn't hard to understand or explain, but it means confronting the distortions and lies that the right will throw at you. As a result, Obama's spine caved again, and that is now apparently off the table.
To have 40 years of progressive leadership you have to start with a progressive leader...Obama is NOT that guy. If you loved Shrub, you have to at least like the Shub-Lite. It's just that Sarah has not realized the difference yet.
Wake me when it's over or when we get a TRUE progressive party or leader...
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Posted by: pfgetty on Jun 10, 2009 2:57 AM
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But having watched as progressives ignored the evidence that 9/11 was an inside job, as progressives fully accepted the official, ridiculous story of 9/11, I am not impressed at all with progressives.
Amy Goodman, Juan Gonzalez, Joshua Holland, Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, Greg Palast, Patrick Cockburn, and others..........all of them have purposely avoided bringing the truth of 911 to us. They have joined the Neocons in the plan to censor all information from the press that proves that the official story is a lie.
The progressives tell us that they fight against injustice: torture, rendition, the Patriot Act, illegal wars and occupations, wiretapping, etc. And yet, the one and only way to end it all, telling the truth about 911, is something that they just won't do. They won't even discuss it.
Why would I be happy to know that we will live a lie for the next forty years?
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Posted by: Suzon on Jun 10, 2009 3:30 AM
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Here in the UK it's not just the banksters who have aroused public anger but our snouts-in-the-trough MPs. We don't need everyone to rise up in indignation to establish a new social contract. The public mood is a powerful thing. We've had the darkness and we deserve the dawn!
I thought this article was not only optimistic (and therefore energizing) but realistic. I still haven't got round to reading Howard Zinn but I know he has shown that the American people can make change happen.
I do have one criticism of the article: It's understandable that the new president doesn't want to waste his precious time and political capital. But on this he's putting his needs ahead of the needs of the entire progressive movement and our future.
No, I believe that Obama is playing a smart game. He can't do the things we want all by himself with a snap of his fingers. (Do you want Biden to be president? I don't.)
The Republicans/monarchists were able to dominate because they had a simple narrative I can sum up in 16 words: Liberal government is bad because it takes your money without good reason and enables baby killers.
How about Alternet asking posters to produce a similarly short progressive narrative?
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» short progressive narrative
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» say what?
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» so where might you and i find agreement?
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» Isn't it true that in the UK you had to elect Conservative
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» i didn't vote in the recent elections in the UK as elections are theatrical events
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» thanks Anna, your comments are always thoughtful and considerate
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» Actually, Suzon, We're The Majority Here
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Posted by: JohnHKennedy Denver CO on Jun 10, 2009 5:25 AM
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Unfortunately our Congressional Democrats can be expected to blow it by trying hard to be Republican lite, by giving us as little actual Change as they think they can get away with. It is the campaign funding they worry about and staying in office.
Opposing their campaign supporters isn't on their radar, but that is what is needed.
The key issue is do they or do they not support enforcing Federal Laws. If they refuse to Prosecute Bush, Cheney and Appointee Lawyers, they don't.
Why should anyone obey any Federal Law when our Democratic Congress Ignores the Obvious Crimes Of Politicians?
The Democrats swore an Oath on a Bible to Enforce our Laws and Protect Our Constitution? Millions in the next two elections will remember that.
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Posted by: A. Z. Arrow on Jun 10, 2009 5:56 AM
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The “Health Choices Act” is not a solution for the uninsured.
Any attempt at mandatory and obligatory “private insurance” will backfire. Subsidies are not a substitute for real coverage.
America needs to join the civilized and industrial nations.
Plain and simple, that means a UNIVERAL SINGLE-PAYER INSURANCE PLAN FOR ALL AMERICANS.
This week’s European Parliamentary elections moved that body to the extreme fascistic RIGHT because the labor and Democratic parties in Europe keep coming up with non-solutions in their bid to “triangulate,” their effort to expand government power without accountability, to hang on to office while undermining progressive solutions, and by actively blocking progressive appointments within their governments in favor of their subservient version of the status-quo. The reason for this leap to fascism according to the BBC is the failure of laborites to enforce the distinction between “legal” citizens and “illegal” refugees. Voters did not go to the polls within nations that did not protect their citizen’s jobs nor provided sound programmatic economic “security.”
In the US, the Clintonoid pro-insurance-company “Health Care” scheme is one more example of why people become frustrated with the Democratic Party, and with their pro-corporate, and pro-capitalist liberal ideology. Change this, or the Democrats will become irrelevant on the morrow. Sounds impossible, doesn’t it? You had better look closely at the European elections.
For leftist and progressives the alarm bells are ringing!
With the government bankrupting of American Auto producers while bailing out Banksters, crooks, and Billionaires is INSANE!
The time has come to close down shop on the Military/Contract/Complex and to create a non-war human centered economy.
For many newly unemployed American workers its’ either guaranteed socio-economic equality with protection of citizen Rights, and, especially, good paying jobs, or it is bust, and, perhaps, extreme political reaction.
ALTERNATIVE TO FASCISM: Onward to socialism, on to democratization of the Federal Reserve and to nationalizing of the US currency > with an eye towards the rapid re-industrialization of America . OR, otherwise, it could get very ugly.
I for one will never click my heels and shout “Sig-Heil” at the finance-capitalist bastards, at media liars, at the rulers of the corporate police state, at pirate bankers and thieves that steal wealth created by the public for personal use. (Change . . . What Change? The ship of state is still being piloted by lobbyist, and social wealth is still being pirated by corporate lawyers and by most of the “representatives” and elected officials in DC, and by a fully-armed sleazy group of aggressive warmongers beyond.)
Have a good day,
~A. Z. Arrow
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Posted by: solrev on Jun 10, 2009 6:01 AM
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Jun 10, 2009 6:22 AM
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The Democratic party.
You see, the Dems have this positive genius for taking a bottle of finely aged, twelve-year-old scotch and turning it into donkey piss.
I left that silly putty party over a decade ago. The problem with the Democrats is that they have forgotten that they are the party of Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid? With Democrats like that, who needs Republicans?
The Democrats have to redefine themselves. They do not need to position their party as Republican Lite. After thirty years of the trickle-down insanity of the so-called "Reagan Revolution", the American people are not only ready for a good, old-fashioned dose of Liberalism, they're begging for it.
Lenny Bruce's House
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Posted by: leafsong1 on Jun 10, 2009 7:02 AM
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Posted by: james108 on Jun 10, 2009 7:11 AM
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True progressives, not Nazi-like, eco/gay/animal friendly, smiling happy mass murder supporters and delusional rationalizers, are in for the fight of their life.
Look at all the money Obama put out for environment and the groundbreaking legislation they passed. Never mind the big picture and the protections they took away. Look over there. Check out the breathtaking way he got health care professionals to reform themselves. He's even offering a public insurance option. Never mind it is an expensive, subsidized insurance that they pay for by taking away employer tax incentives and charging penalties to people that sorta can't afford it, and still leave people uncared for.
There's a dozen things where Obama and the democrats give the illusion of progression while making the old system prettier and look nobler. He's a huge step back if we fall for it.
There's still a chance that people will it. We don't have to boil slowly in the stew until it's too late. We don't have to rationalize our way into the 4th Reich.
Progressives only have a chance if this finally shows us that we will never get real progressive change like repeal of the Patriot and FISA acts, independent investigations of things like 911 and the US military Anthrax mailings, restriction of non-lawful spying, a true and balanced approach to Middle East Peace, real discussion of our motivations for war, and a real national health plan from the Democrats. The democrats are there to make us think they are the peaceful, progressive option when what we get from them is chump change and tricks.
We have an even greater chance if we realize these are things many conservatives want too, and vice versa.
Just two good current chances are
1. http://www.freeandequal.org, and alliance of progressives and conservatives that push for ballet access reform and the right to have real public debates and discussions.
2. http://www.singlepayeraction.org, people out there doing stuff right now and forcing this into public discussion.
We do have a chance, if people are finally waking up from the lies and rationalizations of the elite two-party sham which prevent progress for America on so many levels.
"Health, child protection, fighting poverty, aiding travellers, community, helping mothers" - This was the Nazi propaganda people used to support atrocities. They didn't come off as evil from the inside. They were noble and justified restricting rights for the greater good. They were the party of hope and change, for the public good. I am for national pooled health care, public transport and helping people.
When you blindly rationalize some atrocities, just think of the ones you don't know about. We are very close to the Nazi propaganda. Biden is the Czar senator, needing one over everything as one example. Obama seldom mentions his support for the Patriot Act, spying and mercenaries.
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jun 10, 2009 7:41 AM
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» RE: LIGHTEN UP FOLKS!
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» Brava, Anna...
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Posted by: Southern Gal on Jun 10, 2009 8:26 AM
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Posted by: SkeeterVT1 on Jun 10, 2009 8:41 AM
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For one thing, progresives are in denial of the reality that they are a MINORITY of the electorate. The ONLY WAY Barack Obama could have won the election is the fact that he succeeded in drawing the support of MODERATE VOTERS, who outnumber progressives by a better than 2-1 margin.
Remember the "Reagan Democrats?" They voted for Obama by better than 2-1, precisely because the economy had gone to hell in a handbasket during Bush's watch.
Without the support of moderate voters, John McCain would be in the White House, instead of Obama -- a fact that progressives stubbornly refuse to acknowledge.
Opinion polls consistently show that only 18 percent of Americans identify themselves as "liberal" or "progressive." Forty-five percent of Americans identify themselves as "moderate" and 37 percent identify themselves as "conservative."
No matter how hard progressives lobby the Obama administration on any issue, the administration will meet them only half-way; it has no choice, for it cannot afford to alienate the moderate voters who put Obama over the top in the 2008 election -- lest they form an electoral alliance with conservative voters and throw him out in 2012.
This is a cold, hard reality in American politics that progressives must deal with, whether they like it or not. Progredsive domination for the next 40 years? Not without us moderates!
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Posted by: Bliss Doubt on Jun 10, 2009 9:05 AM
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» many states...
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Posted by: TJColatrella on Jun 10, 2009 9:12 AM
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Is he a Judas Goat..?
Apparently so...
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Posted by: rafaeltoral on Jun 10, 2009 10:15 AM
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And the people that have/control it.
Does it hurt sometimes when you "think real hard"?
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Posted by: apefist on Jun 10, 2009 11:27 AM
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If all the Democrats were like Russ Feingold, Senator from Wisconsin, I would have hope. But he's one shining star in an otherwise darkened 'house of lords.'
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Posted by: mnstra on Jun 10, 2009 11:59 AM
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Posted by: Femmy68 on Jun 10, 2009 12:17 PM
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Frankly, this article gives me hope. I'm sure that's the case for much of the silent majority.
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Posted by: oregoncharles on Jun 10, 2009 12:20 PM
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That's because he isn't a progressive. He's just good at sounding like one. All sizzle, no steak.
This is especially bad for her hopes because it's going to betray and alienate all those kids that fell for his glamor. Once bitten, twice shy: where are they gonna go?
Any hope of progressive dominance is doomed if it's tied to the Democratic Party. They sold themselves a long time ago - to the Republicans. It's all one now: the Corporate Party. With two wings with different "tone" but the same policies when it counts (the "culture" stuff doesn't count because it never affects the elite or their bottom line. They do know that.)
So if you want to get serious about seizing this teachable moment, what are you going to do? Most of you know by now that I'm a Green Party advocate, like DrBrian there at the top (he's in a REALLY different time zone), but it's a real question. If you've got a promising strategy, let's hear it.
I can tell you one thing from 45 years of adulthood: trying to "take back" the Democratic Party is a losing proposition. It's only gotten worse at least since the McGovern nomination in 1972.
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Posted by: Bearzerker on Jun 10, 2009 12:26 PM
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stop stealing the true progressive's thunder you sick *%^$
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Posted by: Zaratamara on Jun 10, 2009 1:01 PM
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Everything is too rigged, and bought-off, and this predictablity is the enemy of reform, and Democracy itself.
Throw a serious monkey-wrench into their cozy set-up! Give the Voter TWO choices: A First, where they can pick the candidate they REALLY want, and then an all-important SECOND Choice, where they can vote for a mainstream back-up candidate, so at the very least, their long-shot first choice won't automatically DEFAULT to their LAST choice. (a big reason why Obama won instead of a more progressive candidate)
No more Spoiler candidates, no more having to choose the Least of 2 evils, which is what we have now, (and are expected to be grateful it wasn't McSAME!)
Plus, the added boon of the electorate being able to articulate more forcefully what they really want: Maybe only your second choice candidate won, but alot of HIS votes were SECOND choices, so he'd BETTER take your first-choice candidate's platform more seriously, or next time, he'll be out.
This welcome element of UN-predictability (For the mainstream candidates) will furthermore dilute the influence of campaign money and lobbyists, since THEY will now have to hedge their bets against an uncertain outcome.
To the carpers who whine that it would be too hard to count...C'MON! How hard can it be?
Your first choice gets 2 points, your second one gets 1...add 'em up at the end!
Even computers can do that...except we still have to clean THAT process up, too!
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Posted by: fbear0143 on Jun 10, 2009 2:54 PM
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If Obama does not stop back pedaling on his campaign promises, he will alienate all these new voters. I don't mean if he delays implemenetation of some of his promises; I mean real back pedaling and ignoring those who question him on these changes.
Those who put him in office voted for change. If they don't get it, they will not reelect him, and then where will we be? He can have ligitemate opposition from his own party in 2012 if he doesn't keep himself from being weakened.
And he can have formidable opposition from the conservatives inthe form of political opportunist Newt Gingrich, who will not remain a destructive has-been if the media continue to fawn over him and to quote him as if he knew something important. But then, maybe he does. Maybe he knows how to exploit Obama's weaknesses and back pedaling to destroy his momentum, if Obama doesn't do it to himself first.
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Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Jun 10, 2009 3:08 PM
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Is this woman in a rubber room somewhere?
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Posted by: Paul_C on Jun 10, 2009 4:35 PM
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However, that time is past and Obama has galloped right off the reservation into corporate welfare land.
That is probably to be expected given the fact that our entire system is built around corporate power.
So what is the answer? That is simple - progressives (about 50 percent of the American people) need to organize into an independent third party beginning on the internet and branching out to field organizing.
Howard Dean and Obama's early campaign organizing should be the model. Also look at Ross Perot's efforts.
We need a champion and some rich backers, sort of like what Ross Perot did but with real people this time.
The basis for the movement is the time honored "people power" because people are fighting mad and are crying out to be heard - to have a voice.
We need only to provide that voice. The time is now. No question in my mind.
peace,
Paul
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Posted by: Lilly on Jun 10, 2009 8:53 PM
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Posted by: L5 on Jun 10, 2009 11:14 PM
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» RE:IF YOU GUYS DON'T GET A REALISTIC CONCEPT OF HOW MUCH DEBT WE ARE INCURRING, NO WAY!
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» RE: IF YOU GUYS DON'T GET A REALISTIC CONCEPT OF HOW MUCH DEBT WE ARE INCURRING, NO WAY!
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» RE: IF YOU GUYS DON'T GET A REALISTIC CONCEPT OF HOW MUCH DEBT WE ARE INCURRING, NO WAY!
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» RE: AND TELLING EVERYBODY ELSE HOW TO LIVE WHILE YOU DO WHAT YOU PLEASE
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Posted by: Moonray on Jun 10, 2009 12:26 AM
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Also, Obama is becoming a big disappointment. He has broken several campaign promises, and it now appears that his entire campaign was a "bait-and-switch" operation to ensure that the corporate bigwigs who run the nation continued to run things. As usual, they are getting their way again on almost every issue.
"Progressives" might prevail in upcoming elections, but it won't matter if those "progressives" are just corporate shills who cling to the status quo, as Obama is doing. Many of us who voted Democratic will not bother to vote or will switch to some independent party in protest.
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» RE: These ELITISTS DO NOT HAVE A CHANCE IN HELL IF THEY DON'T IMPROVE THE ECONOMY
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Posted by: johnwinthrop on Jun 10, 2009 12:59 AM
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The Tidal Wall of Inflation triggered by Obama's insane spending programs and Bernanke's frantic printing money backed by nothing will drown American, its dollar and its economy in several years.
Obama goes down. "Progressive" ideas go down. Perhaps a brief Republican interregnum, but they are big spenders and tax cutters-they can't solve the problem of monetary collapse and utter distrust of constitutional govt. Combined with outrage at the newly "legalized" illegal immigrants, who seem to do just fine as the rest of us lose what equity we have in our homes and what savings we have,
Nationalism will sweep away the tired dust of "democracy", diversity, and bashing of tradtional working class values and European based culture.
Gosh. Just as the NeoSixties were back under the Smooth One, they will be over. Twenty dollars for a beer? They should be over.
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» RE: THE ELITISTS WANT TO COPY BRITISH ROYALTY AND THINK THEY ARE ROYALTY AS WELL
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Posted by: Fred Flintstone on Jun 10, 2009 1:27 AM
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Got NEWS for you..."Progressives", "Conservatives" "Democrats", "Republicans" etc. do not RUN JACK SHIT in this country. The corporate elite who have owned this place since 1620 do. We like to call it a "democracy" or a "constitutional republic" but in reality it is, and always has been, a corporatocracy an oligarchy of the "ownership" class.
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» People will have health care as long as they pay, which they will.
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» Sure Doc: Here's Your Copay-a billion Obamadollars!
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Jun 10, 2009 2:33 AM
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Too bad they can't write songs or pick Presidential candidates for sh*t. :(
Swine
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Posted by: ~Fiona~ on Jun 10, 2009 2:49 AM
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Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on Jun 10, 2009 2:53 AM
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According to Barack, he was going to bring about change by changing the atmosphere in Washington. Create consensus.
That's the argument anyway - we all remember the Change Revolution that was the Democratic take back of Congress in 2006, and how well that paid off for the average American and the guys getting shot at in Iraq.
In Obama's world, the Republicans who have been hard at work screwing the country over for as long as possible are going to repent, rather than do what they can to get what they want.
Has this author given pause to think about his bipartisan change schtick for two seconds?
Bipartisanship doesn't work with the current crop of Repukes. Coming to an agreement with them on something like Social Security implies half-destroying it, rather than fully destroying it. (Incidentally, Goldman Sachs, Obama's largest contributor, is a huge investment bank that has been committed to the partial privatization of Social Security and banking industry deregulation. Keep that in mind when you hear Obama talking about "protecting Social Security".)
But this is how it goes in the Amerikkka today. Politics is cyclical.
When the right-wing gets the pendulum swinging their way, they run amok with deregulation, union busting, militarism, slashing social programs, and corporate welfare.
Then the current crop of "prgressives" will get the ball and they try to make friends and play nice with the guys that have been lobbing grenades at them for the past years, basically just treading water, no real progress. Then the right gets power again and they run their playbook again, running rampant. Essentially three steps backward and then run in place (at best).
And on and on rightward-ho we go, until unilateral invasions on false pretenses are something normal, war crimes are "off the table", and torture's something that's sort of, yeah, unfortunate, but hey what are people gonna do, endorsing huge bailouts to corporations and not the people that need it, and on and on it goes. Oh yeah, that's where we are today folks.
The fact that a segment of the population rejects that philosophy is an indictment of the Democrapic Party, not of the REAL progressives they turn away as a result of what they choose to stand for.
Take single-payer healthcare; it's the most affordable, most efficient way of providing it. The way it works is to pay doctors money to make people healthy, rather than pay insurance companies to keep a lot of the money and give what's left to doctors to make people healthy. This isn't hard to understand or explain, but it means confronting the distortions and lies that the right will throw at you. As a result, Obama's spine caved again, and that is now apparently off the table.
To have 40 years of progressive leadership you have to start with a progressive leader...Obama is NOT that guy. If you loved Shrub, you have to at least like the Shub-Lite. It's just that Sarah has not realized the difference yet.
Wake me when it's over or when we get a TRUE progressive party or leader...
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Posted by: pfgetty on Jun 10, 2009 2:57 AM
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But having watched as progressives ignored the evidence that 9/11 was an inside job, as progressives fully accepted the official, ridiculous story of 9/11, I am not impressed at all with progressives.
Amy Goodman, Juan Gonzalez, Joshua Holland, Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, Greg Palast, Patrick Cockburn, and others..........all of them have purposely avoided bringing the truth of 911 to us. They have joined the Neocons in the plan to censor all information from the press that proves that the official story is a lie.
The progressives tell us that they fight against injustice: torture, rendition, the Patriot Act, illegal wars and occupations, wiretapping, etc. And yet, the one and only way to end it all, telling the truth about 911, is something that they just won't do. They won't even discuss it.
Why would I be happy to know that we will live a lie for the next forty years?
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» Yes, joe, we should all cry.
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» No, you're NOT a progressive...
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Posted by: Suzon on Jun 10, 2009 3:30 AM
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Here in the UK it's not just the banksters who have aroused public anger but our snouts-in-the-trough MPs. We don't need everyone to rise up in indignation to establish a new social contract. The public mood is a powerful thing. We've had the darkness and we deserve the dawn!
I thought this article was not only optimistic (and therefore energizing) but realistic. I still haven't got round to reading Howard Zinn but I know he has shown that the American people can make change happen.
I do have one criticism of the article: It's understandable that the new president doesn't want to waste his precious time and political capital. But on this he's putting his needs ahead of the needs of the entire progressive movement and our future.
No, I believe that Obama is playing a smart game. He can't do the things we want all by himself with a snap of his fingers. (Do you want Biden to be president? I don't.)
The Republicans/monarchists were able to dominate because they had a simple narrative I can sum up in 16 words: Liberal government is bad because it takes your money without good reason and enables baby killers.
How about Alternet asking posters to produce a similarly short progressive narrative?
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» say what?
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» so where might you and i find agreement?
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» Isn't it true that in the UK you had to elect Conservative
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» i didn't vote in the recent elections in the UK as elections are theatrical events
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» thanks Anna, your comments are always thoughtful and considerate
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» Actually, Suzon, We're The Majority Here
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Posted by: JohnHKennedy Denver CO on Jun 10, 2009 5:25 AM
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Unfortunately our Congressional Democrats can be expected to blow it by trying hard to be Republican lite, by giving us as little actual Change as they think they can get away with. It is the campaign funding they worry about and staying in office.
Opposing their campaign supporters isn't on their radar, but that is what is needed.
The key issue is do they or do they not support enforcing Federal Laws. If they refuse to Prosecute Bush, Cheney and Appointee Lawyers, they don't.
Why should anyone obey any Federal Law when our Democratic Congress Ignores the Obvious Crimes Of Politicians?
The Democrats swore an Oath on a Bible to Enforce our Laws and Protect Our Constitution? Millions in the next two elections will remember that.
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Posted by: frankb77 on Jun 10, 2009 5:27 AM
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Posted by: A. Z. Arrow on Jun 10, 2009 5:56 AM
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The “Health Choices Act” is not a solution for the uninsured.
Any attempt at mandatory and obligatory “private insurance” will backfire. Subsidies are not a substitute for real coverage.
America needs to join the civilized and industrial nations.
Plain and simple, that means a UNIVERAL SINGLE-PAYER INSURANCE PLAN FOR ALL AMERICANS.
This week’s European Parliamentary elections moved that body to the extreme fascistic RIGHT because the labor and Democratic parties in Europe keep coming up with non-solutions in their bid to “triangulate,” their effort to expand government power without accountability, to hang on to office while undermining progressive solutions, and by actively blocking progressive appointments within their governments in favor of their subservient version of the status-quo. The reason for this leap to fascism according to the BBC is the failure of laborites to enforce the distinction between “legal” citizens and “illegal” refugees. Voters did not go to the polls within nations that did not protect their citizen’s jobs nor provided sound programmatic economic “security.”
In the US, the Clintonoid pro-insurance-company “Health Care” scheme is one more example of why people become frustrated with the Democratic Party, and with their pro-corporate, and pro-capitalist liberal ideology. Change this, or the Democrats will become irrelevant on the morrow. Sounds impossible, doesn’t it? You had better look closely at the European elections.
For leftist and progressives the alarm bells are ringing!
With the government bankrupting of American Auto producers while bailing out Banksters, crooks, and Billionaires is INSANE!
The time has come to close down shop on the Military/Contract/Complex and to create a non-war human centered economy.
For many newly unemployed American workers its’ either guaranteed socio-economic equality with protection of citizen Rights, and, especially, good paying jobs, or it is bust, and, perhaps, extreme political reaction.
ALTERNATIVE TO FASCISM: Onward to socialism, on to democratization of the Federal Reserve and to nationalizing of the US currency > with an eye towards the rapid re-industrialization of America . OR, otherwise, it could get very ugly.
I for one will never click my heels and shout “Sig-Heil” at the finance-capitalist bastards, at media liars, at the rulers of the corporate police state, at pirate bankers and thieves that steal wealth created by the public for personal use. (Change . . . What Change? The ship of state is still being piloted by lobbyist, and social wealth is still being pirated by corporate lawyers and by most of the “representatives” and elected officials in DC, and by a fully-armed sleazy group of aggressive warmongers beyond.)
Have a good day,
~A. Z. Arrow
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Posted by: solrev on Jun 10, 2009 6:01 AM
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Posted by: sawdust on Jun 10, 2009 6:12 AM
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Jun 10, 2009 6:22 AM
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The Democratic party.
You see, the Dems have this positive genius for taking a bottle of finely aged, twelve-year-old scotch and turning it into donkey piss.
I left that silly putty party over a decade ago. The problem with the Democrats is that they have forgotten that they are the party of Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid? With Democrats like that, who needs Republicans?
The Democrats have to redefine themselves. They do not need to position their party as Republican Lite. After thirty years of the trickle-down insanity of the so-called "Reagan Revolution", the American people are not only ready for a good, old-fashioned dose of Liberalism, they're begging for it.
Lenny Bruce's House
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
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» Twelve year old scotch or three year old burbon
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Posted by: leafsong1 on Jun 10, 2009 7:02 AM
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Posted by: james108 on Jun 10, 2009 7:11 AM
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True progressives, not Nazi-like, eco/gay/animal friendly, smiling happy mass murder supporters and delusional rationalizers, are in for the fight of their life.
Look at all the money Obama put out for environment and the groundbreaking legislation they passed. Never mind the big picture and the protections they took away. Look over there. Check out the breathtaking way he got health care professionals to reform themselves. He's even offering a public insurance option. Never mind it is an expensive, subsidized insurance that they pay for by taking away employer tax incentives and charging penalties to people that sorta can't afford it, and still leave people uncared for.
There's a dozen things where Obama and the democrats give the illusion of progression while making the old system prettier and look nobler. He's a huge step back if we fall for it.
There's still a chance that people will it. We don't have to boil slowly in the stew until it's too late. We don't have to rationalize our way into the 4th Reich.
Progressives only have a chance if this finally shows us that we will never get real progressive change like repeal of the Patriot and FISA acts, independent investigations of things like 911 and the US military Anthrax mailings, restriction of non-lawful spying, a true and balanced approach to Middle East Peace, real discussion of our motivations for war, and a real national health plan from the Democrats. The democrats are there to make us think they are the peaceful, progressive option when what we get from them is chump change and tricks.
We have an even greater chance if we realize these are things many conservatives want too, and vice versa.
Just two good current chances are
1. http://www.freeandequal.org, and alliance of progressives and conservatives that push for ballet access reform and the right to have real public debates and discussions.
2. http://www.singlepayeraction.org, people out there doing stuff right now and forcing this into public discussion.
We do have a chance, if people are finally waking up from the lies and rationalizations of the elite two-party sham which prevent progress for America on so many levels.
"Health, child protection, fighting poverty, aiding travellers, community, helping mothers" - This was the Nazi propaganda people used to support atrocities. They didn't come off as evil from the inside. They were noble and justified restricting rights for the greater good. They were the party of hope and change, for the public good. I am for national pooled health care, public transport and helping people.
When you blindly rationalize some atrocities, just think of the ones you don't know about. We are very close to the Nazi propaganda. Biden is the Czar senator, needing one over everything as one example. Obama seldom mentions his support for the Patriot Act, spying and mercenaries.
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Posted by: SkeeterVT1 on Jun 10, 2009 8:41 AM
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For one thing, progresives are in denial of the reality that they are a MINORITY of the electorate. The ONLY WAY Barack Obama could have won the election is the fact that he succeeded in drawing the support of MODERATE VOTERS, who outnumber progressives by a better than 2-1 margin.
Remember the "Reagan Democrats?" They voted for Obama by better than 2-1, precisely because the economy had gone to hell in a handbasket during Bush's watch.
Without the support of moderate voters, John McCain would be in the White House, instead of Obama -- a fact that progressives stubbornly refuse to acknowledge.
Opinion polls consistently show that only 18 percent of Americans identify themselves as "liberal" or "progressive." Forty-five percent of Americans identify themselves as "moderate" and 37 percent identify themselves as "conservative."
No matter how hard progressives lobby the Obama administration on any issue, the administration will meet them only half-way; it has no choice, for it cannot afford to alienate the moderate voters who put Obama over the top in the 2008 election -- lest they form an electoral alliance with conservative voters and throw him out in 2012.
This is a cold, hard reality in American politics that progressives must deal with, whether they like it or not. Progredsive domination for the next 40 years? Not without us moderates!
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Is he a Judas Goat..?
Apparently so...
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And the people that have/control it.
Does it hurt sometimes when you "think real hard"?
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If all the Democrats were like Russ Feingold, Senator from Wisconsin, I would have hope. But he's one shining star in an otherwise darkened 'house of lords.'
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Frankly, this article gives me hope. I'm sure that's the case for much of the silent majority.
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That's because he isn't a progressive. He's just good at sounding like one. All sizzle, no steak.
This is especially bad for her hopes because it's going to betray and alienate all those kids that fell for his glamor. Once bitten, twice shy: where are they gonna go?
Any hope of progressive dominance is doomed if it's tied to the Democratic Party. They sold themselves a long time ago - to the Republicans. It's all one now: the Corporate Party. With two wings with different "tone" but the same policies when it counts (the "culture" stuff doesn't count because it never affects the elite or their bottom line. They do know that.)
So if you want to get serious about seizing this teachable moment, what are you going to do? Most of you know by now that I'm a Green Party advocate, like DrBrian there at the top (he's in a REALLY different time zone), but it's a real question. If you've got a promising strategy, let's hear it.
I can tell you one thing from 45 years of adulthood: trying to "take back" the Democratic Party is a losing proposition. It's only gotten worse at least since the McGovern nomination in 1972.
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stop stealing the true progressive's thunder you sick *%^$
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Posted by: Zaratamara on Jun 10, 2009 1:01 PM
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Everything is too rigged, and bought-off, and this predictablity is the enemy of reform, and Democracy itself.
Throw a serious monkey-wrench into their cozy set-up! Give the Voter TWO choices: A First, where they can pick the candidate they REALLY want, and then an all-important SECOND Choice, where they can vote for a mainstream back-up candidate, so at the very least, their long-shot first choice won't automatically DEFAULT to their LAST choice. (a big reason why Obama won instead of a more progressive candidate)
No more Spoiler candidates, no more having to choose the Least of 2 evils, which is what we have now, (and are expected to be grateful it wasn't McSAME!)
Plus, the added boon of the electorate being able to articulate more forcefully what they really want: Maybe only your second choice candidate won, but alot of HIS votes were SECOND choices, so he'd BETTER take your first-choice candidate's platform more seriously, or next time, he'll be out.
This welcome element of UN-predictability (For the mainstream candidates) will furthermore dilute the influence of campaign money and lobbyists, since THEY will now have to hedge their bets against an uncertain outcome.
To the carpers who whine that it would be too hard to count...C'MON! How hard can it be?
Your first choice gets 2 points, your second one gets 1...add 'em up at the end!
Even computers can do that...except we still have to clean THAT process up, too!
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If Obama does not stop back pedaling on his campaign promises, he will alienate all these new voters. I don't mean if he delays implemenetation of some of his promises; I mean real back pedaling and ignoring those who question him on these changes.
Those who put him in office voted for change. If they don't get it, they will not reelect him, and then where will we be? He can have ligitemate opposition from his own party in 2012 if he doesn't keep himself from being weakened.
And he can have formidable opposition from the conservatives inthe form of political opportunist Newt Gingrich, who will not remain a destructive has-been if the media continue to fawn over him and to quote him as if he knew something important. But then, maybe he does. Maybe he knows how to exploit Obama's weaknesses and back pedaling to destroy his momentum, if Obama doesn't do it to himself first.
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Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Jun 10, 2009 3:08 PM
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Is this woman in a rubber room somewhere?
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However, that time is past and Obama has galloped right off the reservation into corporate welfare land.
That is probably to be expected given the fact that our entire system is built around corporate power.
So what is the answer? That is simple - progressives (about 50 percent of the American people) need to organize into an independent third party beginning on the internet and branching out to field organizing.
Howard Dean and Obama's early campaign organizing should be the model. Also look at Ross Perot's efforts.
We need a champion and some rich backers, sort of like what Ross Perot did but with real people this time.
The basis for the movement is the time honored "people power" because people are fighting mad and are crying out to be heard - to have a voice.
We need only to provide that voice. The time is now. No question in my mind.
peace,
Paul
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