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Out-of-Body Image: Women See Themselves Through Eyes of Others

By Caroline Heldman, Ms. Magazine. Posted August 14, 2008.


This sort of self-objectification impairs women's body image, mental health, motor skills and even sex lives.
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(The full text of this article appears in the Spring issue of Ms. magazine, available on newsstands and by subscription from www.msmagazine.com.)

On a typical day, you might see ads featuring a naked woman's body tempting viewers to buy an electronic organizer, partially exposed women's breasts being used to sell fishing line, and a woman's rear -- wearing only a thong -- being used to pitch a new running shoe. Meanwhile, on every newsstand, impossibly slim (and digitally airbrushed) cover "girls" adorn a slew of magazines. With each image, you're hit with a simple, subliminal message: Girls' and women's bodies are objects for others to visually consume.

If such images seem more ubiquitous than ever, it's because U.S. residents are now exposed to 3,000 advertisements a day -- as many per year as those living a half century ago would have seen in a lifetime. The Internet accounts for much of this growth, and young people are particularly exposed to advertising: 70 percent of 15- to 34-year-olds use social networking technologies such as MySpace and Facebook, which allow advertisers to infiltrate previously private communication space.

A steady diet of exploitative, sexually provocative depictions of women feeds a poisonous trend in women's and girl's perceptions of their bodies, one that has recently been recognized by social scientists as self-objectification -- viewing one's body as a sex object to be consumed by the male gaze. Like W.E.B. DuBois' famous description of the experience of black Americans, self-objectification is a state of "double consciousness ... a sense of always looking at one's self through the eyes of others."

Researchers have learned a lot about self-objectification since the term was coined in 1997 by University of Michigan psychology professor Barbara Fredrickson and Colorado College psychology professor Tomi-Ann Roberts. Numerous studies since then have shown that girls and women who self-objectify are more prone to depression and low self-esteem and have less faith in their own capabilities, which can lead to diminished success in life. They are more likely to engage in "habitual body monitoring" -- constantly thinking about how their bodies appear to the outside world -- which puts them at higher risk for eating disorders such as anorexia and bulimia.

Self-objectification has also been repeatedly shown to sap cognitive functioning, because of all the attention devoted to body monitoring. For instance, a recent study by Yale psychologists asked two groups of women to take a math exam -- one group in swimsuits, the other in sweaters. The swimsuit-wearers, distracted by body concerns, performed significantly worse than their peers in sweaters.

Fredrickson, along with Michigan communications professor Kristen Harrison (both work within the university's Institute for Research on Women and Gender), recently discovered that self-objectification actually impairs girls' motor skills. Their study of 202 girls, ages 10 to 17, found that self-objectification impeded girls' ability to throw a softball, even after differences in age and prior experience were factored out. Self-objectification forced girls to split their attention between how their bodies looked and what they wanted them to do, resulting in less forceful throws and worse aim.

One of the more stunning effects of self-objectification is its impact on sex. One young woman I interviewed described sex as being an "out of body" experience during which she viewed herself through the eyes of her lover, and, sometimes, through the imaginary lens of a camera shooting a porn film. As a constant critic of her body, she couldn't focus on her own sexual pleasure.

Self-objectification isn't going anywhere anytime soon. So what can we do about it? First, we can recognize how our everyday actions feed the larger beast, and realize that we are not powerless. Mass media, the primary peddler of female bodies, can be assailed with millions of little consumer swords. We can boycott companies and engage in other forms of consumer activism, such as socially conscious investments and shareholder actions. We can also contact companies directly to voice our concerns and refuse to patronize businesses that overtly depict women as sex objects.

What would disappear from our lives if we stopped seeing ourselves as objects? Painful high heels? Body hatred? Constant dieting? Liposuction? It's hard to know. Perhaps the most striking outcome of self-objectification is the difficulty women have in imagining identities and sexualities truly our own. In solidarity, we can start on this path, however confusing and difficult it may be.

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Caroline Heldman, Ph.D, is an assistant professor of politics at Occidental College in Los Angeles. Her work centers primarily on issues of gender and race.


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The author is far too busy
Posted by: weathered on Aug 14, 2008 1:59 AM   
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discussing the outside.

We're(M&F)a body, mind and soul package.
If Im taking care of my spiritual/emotional health the body follows - and w/it the proper self-esteem that regulates far less importance of how my body appears to others.

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Here is a question.
Posted by: Lauren on Aug 14, 2008 4:26 AM   
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Why are high heels sexy?

I was thinking on this the other day after I read they were a requirement for pole and lap dancing. I wondered why. The shape of the leg changes and it is considered more sexy, why? Are we trained to think so? I'd say no because it is so standard.

I decided it makes the leg look like it does when the woman is laying down, signaling greater availability to the male mind. Just a guess.

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I worked in advertising for 10 years and I'm still affected
Posted by: Angela Hayden ART GODDESS on Aug 14, 2008 5:21 AM   
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I'm 44 years old and am still very self-conscious of my body and my looks. I worked in advertising for 10 years and know how it works.

I've had about 10 years of therapy and medical treatment for depression and I'm still affected by advertising.

We need an extreme campaign to change the consciousness of men and women about beauty. What could it be?

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Men could use a dose of self objectification
Posted by: johngary on Aug 14, 2008 5:44 AM   
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I teach pilates at my local community college. A typical class was 60 young women and one guy! Yes the women were concerned with their appearance. How were they achieving it? Through exercise and a healthy diet. The guys? Sitting on the couch watching TV and eating chips!!
Perhaps it is the phenomenon of self objectification that results in women out living men!!!

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» Not the refutation you think Posted by: johngary
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» RE: Women Compete With Women Posted by: FoonTheElder
Before women objectified...
Posted by: bobtr900 on Aug 14, 2008 6:17 AM   
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...their bodies religion did it. Doesn't a lot of this self objectification stem right back to religion. Hasn't religion, for at least the last 2000yrs, seen women as being something less than men. Hasn't religion viewed women as being what their bodies do and not as the human beings that they are. Isn't religion a male dominated and male made entity.

Religion has a very skewed view of women as baby making machines and little else. Having babies is only a part of what women are, but to certain religions it is thought to be almost all of what women are. Catholicism, my religion, is at the very forefront of pushing this distorted view of women.

Hasn't religion been the greatest disrespecter of women, who are fully half of the human race. Women are half of God's creation. If you disrespect women that means you disrespect God.

As usual, ideology just always seems to trump reality. Ideologues are the biggest threat to the human race and the Family of Women/Man.

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» RE: Before women objectified... Posted by: beautifulady2003
Only the end of materialism and class divides will end the objectification of women
Posted by: daniel347x on Aug 14, 2008 6:33 AM   
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There are those who have a successful career, enter the privileged side of the cultural and class divide, and within that limited context, sometimes exhibit traits that oppose the objectification of women, perhaps through their individual behavior within the freedom allowed by that context, or perhaps by working in something like a non-profit whose purpose is to support progressive causes.

However, the fact is that people who are "successful" in this fashion always spend more time with others in or near the same class than they do with those on the downside of the class divide.

In our current culture, succeeding in such a fashion requires a materialistic approach to life, in which other human beings are objectified across a spectrum of ways, by servicing those in positions of career success at lunch counters, as janitors, shop-clerks, shipping clerks, or invisible low-wage factory workers. In day-to-day life, there is no possible way to have true human communication with those who are not near the same rung of the class ladder during the process of succeeding and maintaining career success. It is in this way that our overcrowded and overworked urban society deals with the fact that so many people are dissatisfied and downtrodden: the class divide. On a social level, the obvious inhumanity of this state of affairs is inoculated with the drug of materialism. Private - rather than cooperative - housing, food supermarkets rather than food cooperatives, food shipments entirely in the place of community supported agriculture, nursing homes instead of community care centers, medical doctors instead of health centers, schools rather than the merger of work-life and community-life.

No understanding of the objectification of women can be found without placing it into this context of class and materialism. Women's bodies are packaged to satisfy the sexual needs of men in just the same way as every other human need is packaged in a materialistic way, from the bank teller providing money in an inhuman bank environment to the janitor washing the bathroom so that human waste can be "out-of-sight, out-of-mind". Materialism has been and never will be a successful replacement for true human contact, whether sexual contact or otherwise.

Our public and private spaces provide the material rewards but have never provided true social contact except in a class-isolated form. Nowhere is this reflected more strongly than in the objectification of women. Class divisions cause people to view one another as objects on an hour-by-hour basis, forcing people to define themselves by their appearance, rather than by their character. In turn, when people see only a surface appearance in other people - they have no opening for communication and therefore feel a natural inclination to cast them emotionally aside. This creates an environment in which it is not only easy, but inevitable to objectify women based on sexuality.

The fundamental truth about materialism is that given the current structuring of society, those who succeed must turn off their emotional connection to others outside of their class circles while they obtain and maintain success and join a materialistic culture which guarantees that they do not need to take time cleaning the building's bathrooms or floors, repairing the building's leaks, working in the factories that make the clothing, or in any way engaging in the physical reality that supports their success.

This solidifies a life of oppression for those who have not obtained success, forces them to compete in the same vicious social environment, prevents the economic system from developing in alternative ways, and promotes the objectification of women.

Class issues, materialism, and the objectification of women must be understood together, or not at all.

Dan Nissenbaum

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» Nature preempts culture Posted by: johngary
Class, religion & fashion are irrelevant
Posted by: scheherezade on Aug 14, 2008 7:34 AM   
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It's not class, religion or fashion -- it's just the way the male brain works -- as the processor organ between his eyes and his dick.

No amount of class therapy's going to change what Mother Nature fashioned.

Women's bodies are packaged to satisfy the sexual needs of men in just the same way as every other human need is packaged in a materialistic way...

The point is that they're 'packaged' that way because

a. That's what satisfies male sexual needs -- if 'character' played any biological role there, we'd see Maxim fawning all over Mother Teresa; and

b. Women have relatively little media industry power, and thus are not in a position to skew popular imagery to female benefit. Media images reflect dickbrain's limited outlook because dickbrain's existance revolves around getting lots of sex -- preferably with women who are young & dumb enough to kowtow to beauty industry rules.

This hasn't changed since cavemen were jerking off over 'Venus figurines,' and isn't going to change until women figure out, as the author notes, that cutting off the financial subsidies will cut off the problem.

It's not rocket science:

Don't buy products advertised by insulting images (including overrepresentation by young 'models'). If you're going to disrespect my paycheck & experience by trying to sell me something with a 19-year old, don't expect my patronage.

Don't see/buy movies that feature insulting gender imagery (including an age gap between the lead fucking couple).

Don't patronize businesses that don't respect women enough to feature them (of all colors and ages) in upper management roles.

Because he thinks with his dick, and predicates his hamster-wheel existance around getting sex, the male is particularly vulnerable to any kind of financial threat -- it's quite difficult to be a playa without a bank account.

Ladies, it's time to bring dickbrain to heel through judicial use of spending power.

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Form follows function, obviously ...
Posted by: stellabloo on Aug 14, 2008 7:59 AM   
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... and the function of the female body in western society is to sell product.

Consequently only the most titillating images are purveyed into public consciousness. As noted above, body image and the corporate-designed consumer mentality are inextricably intertwined. Foolish to expect the woman's body to become anything other than the battleground between religious and commercial ideals under present circumstances.

The original function of the female body was to be healthy, to bear healthy children. The attributes of health (rosy cheeks, shiny hair, shapely legs, etc etc) have been hijacked by the corporations and subjected to extreme enhancement, while the extreme religious backlash vilifies any woman possessing those same qualities.

Now, the young and vulnerable are being led by the nose into corporate warfare (the real Us vs Them). How about us responsible adults setting a good flesh-and-blood example? If we are really healthy, self-actualized adults, then our actions can speak louder than a 1000 ads.

Bonus, you will look 10 years younger without surgery or cosmetics ;.)

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Bravo Alternet for Another Outstanding Article
Posted by: Gravitas on Aug 14, 2008 8:05 AM   
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This is yet another hit home outstanding article! I was not aware that self-objectification affects motor skills. I know I was very clusmy as a child. Being a chubby child, I was also very stigmatized. I am sure there is a connection. Yet another negative attribute applied to fat people that is really a consequence of stigma.

It is unbelievable to me that some are advocating putting weight on kids report cards. Girls are already ultra aware of their bodies. This sends the message weight is more important than anything else There will be more eating disorders. Smart chubby girls will have their academic success eclipsed by their weight. And perhaps even have their grades fall as more self-objectification leads to lower cognitive function. And if it affects their motor skills they will enjoy sports less and less, thinking they are just no good at it. So they will shy away from the exercise they need to be healthy, whether it makes them thin or not! Unbelievable that any rational educator could approve of this decision. (Of course the pharma backed antiobesity campaign has a different agenda that total well being and balancing mental, emotional, and physical health. It only cares about its profit!)

Thanks for publishing this article. The simple minded think these kinds of article provide "excuses" for women not to take care of themselves. Wrong! They free them from unrealistic expectations. And I can actually reapproach sports and exercise knowing maybe I wasn't such an inherent clutz, it was too much self-objectification that made me seem that way.

p.s. I wrote a further reaction to the article "Why I Hate Beauty" on my own blog if anyone is interested.
http://tinyurl.com/5qyfsb

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Sick
Posted by: 876 on Aug 14, 2008 8:06 AM   
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While the world falls apart due to American tyranny, while Iraqis and Afghans die, while Mexican migrants are forced to make perilous journeys to clean American toilets just to survise, while Georgians dodge bullets in a repeat of Afghanistan 1979 for the sake of defeating America’s enemies it is so typical to see the American people still have time to partake in their favorite past times including self indulgence, self absorbtion and starring in the mirror fretting about their precious “body image”.

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It's POWER!
Posted by: premarachel on Aug 14, 2008 8:14 AM   
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Somehow I always thought it was about power. That men from childhood perceive themselves as more powerful than women. That they are the rule makers, the defenders, the creators. That women are the followers, the home makers, the nurturers. Women naturally look for the most powerful man they can get, to support them and father their children. To this end of course they want to look their best, to attract an alpha male. Who wants to end up with a loser for a partner. Perhaps this question is best solved by giving all the power to women so they no longer have to worry about how they look, and men can spend their salaries on nice clothes, shoes, jewelry, manicures, hairstylists, body toners, wrinkle removers, fat reducers, spa's, cosmetics, corrective surgeries, breast implants, labiaplasties, liposuctions, face lifts, and therapists to tell them why they are doing all this to themselves. Hey, such a switch could re vitalize our sagging economy as men competed with each other trying to attract a woman. Dream on! The above essay totally misses the point or root of the problem.

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Parents are key is tacking this issue
Posted by: nfamous on Aug 14, 2008 9:04 AM   
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It is the job of parents to help their children develop a healthy self-image. They have been completely derelict in this function. It's not completely their fault but it starts at home and it starts young. Turning off the tv and limiting internet surfing would help but women need to realize what is being done to them to make profits for corporations. That is the first step: admitting the problem. Then you can find constructive ways to combat it. Stop letting women that self-objectify themselves make you feel like a loser because the Brad Pitt look-a-likes never ask you out or because you don't look like the self-obsessed losers in Hollywood. There is nothing wrong with you except what you think of yourself. Be your own person. Most people don't even know who that person is but only you can find out.

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Thank You
Posted by: beautifulady2003 on Aug 14, 2008 9:45 AM   
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Cool article; not only does self-objectification mess up a woman's self image, it leads to disorders such as bulimia and anorexia.

Until women stop buying into the marketers' ideas of how they should look, nothing will change. You don't have to have your boobs bounce out of your top to be fashionable, nor do you have to wear a skirt up to your crotch. You don't have to starve yourself. Just be a human being among all other human beings, and live in peace with yourself.

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At the risk of sounding oldfashioned
Posted by: truthlover on Aug 14, 2008 12:08 PM   
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Strange to say, the muslims may have something when they encourage their girls and women to cover up: some are extreme, but I have heard a number of muslim women say it is actually liberating not to have their body shape too visible to all, not to have to carefully disguise and flatter their figure, and (if they veil) not to have to worry about bad hair days.

The other thing that struck me was that we are being urged to look at ourselves, always ourselves, to improve ourselves, or to love ourselves, to objectify ourselves, to respect ourselves, to analyze oursleves, to advance ourselves, to express ourselves. I see a pattern here in Western society. There’s even a magazine called “Self”!

We might try to view ourselves in a more positive way, and help others to do the same – but the really revolutionary thing to do would be to concentrate on viewing OTHERS in a positive way: love others, respect others, advance others, and bring out the best in them.

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"Find your sensual side with namaste yoga"
Posted by: maddy on Aug 14, 2008 1:42 PM   
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This article made me think about the program "Namaste Yoga" on FitTV. I have been doing yoga--including vinyasa yoga--for several years, and the first time I came across this program I was in shock. I exclaimed, "Is this yoga or soft core porn?"

If you haven't seen it, it features incredibly fit, flexible, and quite attractive women doing vinyasa yoga in stunning surroundings, with soft lighting and a whispery--if not sultry--voiceover giving the pose sequence. It even has numerous--and repeated--close ups of the women's butts, abs, and chests as they work.

I will freely admit that the program is beautifully made. In fact, it's mezmorizing to watch.

But, then I saw the ad for the program. It said something like:

"Find your sensual side with Namaste Yoga."

And I realized that my initial shock was about just what this author is describing. Yoga is supposed to be about finding inner calm. I do yoga to help myself let go of expectations, fears, and judgment. And I remembered the many yoga instructors I've had who've emphasized not worrying about what others in class were doing--whether or not they were more flexible than you, etc.

Instead, this program emphasizes that women should do vinyasa yoga to enjoy 1. men watching them and 2. other women envying them. From the camera work to the lighting to the women who participate, the message is that women derive sensuality from external survellance and from a sense of superiority in being desirable to men.

Imagine production and advertising values becoming so commonplace that women are eye candy even during ...yoga!!! That sheds light on why young girls would be worried about how their bodies look when they throw a ball.

Internalized oppressions--how we build our own spirtual prisons, ya know?

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People are not looking at you!
Posted by: Snurpa on Aug 14, 2008 4:15 PM   
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If there is one thing that we know about people is that we are self involved. So don't spend a lot of time thinking people are looking at you with any interest whatsoever. People have to look around or they will run into things. Even if it seems like someone is looking at you, they are probably just looking through you while they make a mental grocery list or worry that people are looking at them.

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» RE: People are not looking at you! Posted by: beautifulady2003
Get rid of your mirrors! For a start.
Posted by: war_on_tara on Aug 14, 2008 5:44 PM   
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The only mirror you really need is the one on the bathroom cabinet.

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mollyandnan
Posted by: mollyandnan on Aug 14, 2008 6:57 PM   
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Studies have shown that women feel depressed, guilty and shameful after viewing fashion magazines for less than 15 minutes, and the more time women obsess about their appearance, the worse they feel. As we are bombarded by over 300 ads a day that tell us that something about our appearance is in need of fixing, the only antidote to self-objectification is teaching our daughters how to think critically about media messages and the media's influence on our perceptions of beauty while concurrently exposing them to positive role models. As mentors, this will begin to be transforming for us as well, as we have discovered in teaching girls. Molly and Nan, www.howIlookjournal.com

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One woman
Posted by: YogiBear on Aug 14, 2008 9:57 PM   
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One of the more stunning effects of self-objectification is its impact on sex. One young woman I interviewed described sex as being an "out of body" experience during which she viewed herself through the eyes of her lover, and, sometimes, through the imaginary lens of a camera shooting a porn film. As a constant critic of her body, she couldn't focus on her own sexual pleasure.

But unless it's like that for the majority of women, or even a large minority, then it's anecdotal. Is it like that for a large minority? My own anecdotal research shows no, it isn't. ;?). Any conclusive research out there?

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Heels were for men
Posted by: YogiBear on Aug 14, 2008 10:11 PM   
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They weren't created to demean women, they were created to make men seem more important. Remember men used to wear face powder and wigs as well.

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For every young, impossible female model
Posted by: rickiey on Aug 15, 2008 4:28 AM   
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There is an impossible to achieve male standard.

Men are supposed to have the body that can only be achieved by the barbaric practice of lifting weights every day at a gym, for hours a day, the wealth of a man who does nothing but work, the sensitivity of a man who does nothing but dote on his significant other, and the knowledge of art/culture that comes from doing nothing but studying it.

All women have to do is be thin. One sounds a hell of a lot easier than the other, doesn't it?

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Sex Sells
Posted by: luzmejor on Aug 15, 2008 8:35 AM   
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..that's why it is used in TV and other visual advertising. Women are used to attract the attention of members of both sexes to whatever the image is selling.

The men are staring to see what they should be wanting to buy and the women are staring to see what styles they should emulate to be stared at and "bought."

American males respond to both messages, even if they are not buying. They simply enjoy looking at women who appear to be deliberately "available and ready for sex."

It's really simple and effective.

However, Americans are generally sophisticated enough to know that they are being teased on purpose. That's why the mute button is there.

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really? no kidding.
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Aug 16, 2008 7:50 AM   
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I think it was Angie Dickenson who once replied to the question:

"Do you dress for men or women?

with:

"I dress for women, I undress for men"


I think just about every woman reading this article can't be oblivious to the 'comparison' that women draw between themselves & other women as competitors for social prestige & power.

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Mamma says SIX is just about right for PUBIC WAXING...
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Aug 16, 2008 9:36 AM   
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chaCHING goes the unethical spa...

RIP that hair! TAKE those drugs!
FEAR being SEEN... says Mamma & her pay-to-play enablers

Fashion & Beauty:
Too young? Preteen girls get leg, bikini waxes
Moms are bringing daughters to spas for hair removal before puberty


...“Sometimes mothers are clearly overcritical,” Engle said. “While I’m doing the child’s eyebrows, a mother will stand behind me and say, ‘Look at those blackheads, you need to have a facial, you need to go on Accutane.’ ”

Fisher, whose Eclips Kids Day Spa doesn’t defuzz bikini lines on younger children, does see four to five girls, mostly 10- to 14-year-olds, each week for other waxing procedures. The most common service is eyebrow shaping, though some mothers will request removal of body hair for their children. She says that she does see overbearing mothers who pressure their daughters to look “perfect.”

“I had a mother who brought her daughter in, pulled up her shirt and asked us to wax the girl’s back. The hair didn’t seem to be bothering the little girl, but the mom was embarrassed and wanted it done,” Fisher recounted. “I told the mom to wait until the child wanted it, but she refused.” The girl, Fisher added, was 6 years old.

A parent’s dilemma
For others, like Wanda Ramos, permitting their kids to get waxed is a way to stop them from being harassed by classmates. Her daughter, Gabriella, used to complain about the taunts and teases from kids who called her “unibrow” and “deformed” because she was hairy.
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sure, if you NEVER develop body hair... that makes you just that closer to 'natural beauty'...

Yet another question I constantly wonder when I see sexed up pre-teens...

Perhaps we encourage a creation of pedophilia or *jamming down the age of sex visual triggers* by confusing the crap out of subliminal visual messages of maturity?
...if secondary & primary sex characteristics are muddled... perhaps there are individuals who become downright confused by the 'below cognition' sexual signals?

I mean, maybe some guys are freaked out by feminized gestures on gay men, because they're attuned to pick up on those gestures, feel a building of interest then shock when they realize they've subliminally responded to a gender/sex-associated visual signal that's attached to another male?

we presume so much of our sexuality is COGNITIVE & rational, rather than an education of circumstance paired to physiological responses & cues.

Just a couple of thoughts about who we are, how we present ourselves & how we're taught to present ourselves... & the possible consequences on how individuals in society are impacted by our ever pressing desire to critically compare & sexualize the feminine

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ralphinator
Posted by: rbentley on Aug 16, 2008 1:31 PM   
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There's one really simple solution to all this. Turn off TV. Step 2--throw away. Removes over 50% of advertising exposure. Information value of most commercial TV is measured in negative numbers. Worse than a waste of time. The solution is in our hands. TV represents our shackles. We will never be free, as long as we watch TV. It's really all up to us to do this simple thing . . .

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This is nothing new..
Posted by: cyr3n on Aug 17, 2008 7:20 PM   
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.. in the past, women had girdles and lots of layers and corsets to reshape their bodies into more desirable forms. Now, you have to go to the gym or have things surgically inserted under your skin for the same effect since our fashions are so unforgiving!

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An action to combat this
Posted by: clareo on Aug 18, 2008 12:55 PM   
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A lot of people are writing about parenting and personal self-esteem, which are important to raising girls in this media saturated world. However, I have started a campaign aimed at one of the major sources of women's media: Women's Interest Magazines.

Everyone that signs up for the campaign shows their support for just one issue with no air-brushing of the features and cover.

You can find it and sign up for it here.

Can something like this help this out-of-body feeling? I don't propose that this will solve the problem, but seeing that these glorified bodies are flawed might help some women accept their own imperfections.

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self-objectification vs. being self-conscious
Posted by: jasonchouinard on Aug 18, 2008 3:59 PM   
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This read from Ms. Heldman was enjoyable enough that I'm tempted to buy to full text. Though I agree with its overall message, it appears to be merely a motivated re-labeling of the obvious.

So take 'self-consciousness', repackage it as "self-objectification" with a feminist slant, then find the most discouraging and negative aspects to trumpet.

Some things to consider, for Ms. Heldman:

1)Habitual body monitoring: As every athlete knows habitual body monitoring can be used as motivation to help compete and win. Maybe we could test Olympic athletes for their self-esteem to body monitoring ratio?
2)Double consciousness: Self-consciousness to the point of 'always' would seem to indicate the person has obsessive characteristics. Piggy-backing this issue on the plight and social chaos of being African-American seems to imply that slavery, a civil war and the consequent racism in American are appropriate comparisons for women worried about what people view them as 'sexually'.
3)An "out of body experience" during sex was stunning to Ms. Heldman? Could you, Ms. Heldmen, please pick up any of the numerous studies of psycho-somatic erectile dysfunction to find a better example of self-objectification causing a bedroom disturbance resulting in sexual dissatisfaction?


And really, It seems absurd to suggest that in our P.C. climate, a study of 202 MINORS, girls from 10 to 17, could somehow inform them they were 'sexual objects', and then ask them to perform athletically. Ethically alone the premise becomes ruled out, yet that seems to be 'recently discovered'? Wait! Now I understand why people scream "you suck!" at their opposition in every sport, every where!

Thank you for that elucidation, Ms. Heldman.

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Self Objectification
Posted by: Shelley on Aug 24, 2008 1:04 PM   
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Just an aside - remember that problems between people usually have two sides. I noticed alot of comments focus on the role being attractive to men plays. The other side of the coin is the competition between women themselves. Honestly, most men I've met don't care how we dress or the ridiculous make up and hair styles we practice. Most men are that concerned with whether we're too fat, skinny or medium, short or tall - they are happy just to see you naked and enthusiastic about having sex. We women are often our own worst enemies because of the competition between ourselves. We forget that we are the ones who set the beauty standards. Fashion and all that is fun but the bottom line is we do it to attract attention. The fact that there is so much on public display means we are not teaching our daughters to personally value themselves. We are not teaching them that selling your body for sex or a poster ad is all the same degradation in the eyes of BOTH sexes.

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