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Indiana Jones and the Fridge of Nuclear Doom
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The scene is admittedly spectacular, and in its sunny evocation of all the requisite 50s suburban stereotypes in the shadow of a nuclear bomb tower (a mannequin family is seen watching Howdy Doody), rather creepy.
But Indy' survival of the nuclear blast has so strained the audience's otherwise willing suspension of disbelief that it has already generated a new buzz-phrase -- "Nuke the Fridge" as a successor to "Jump the Shark" -- meaning, that moment when a film series has gotten so ridiculous that it marks a new low in quality.
To show just how rapidly our culture can gorge on itself, the phrase has, in two short weeks, taken on a life of its own. Nuke the Fridge has its own website and FaceBook Page. There are also a number of creative YouTube videos mocking the sequence.
I too was annoyed by the scene, but not just for its extreme unbelievability. It marks a new low in American cinema for its disturbingly casual use of nuclear weapons as a narrative device.
Steven Spielberg and George Lucas have turned the most horrifying technology ever devised and made it into a minor plot juncture, as if it were just another fight scene. What is worse though, is that the set-up of the scene is so horrifying, so realistic and apocalyptic in its execution that its corny, jokey denouement (the aforementioned gopher stares at Indy and then jumps back into its hole) creates a jarring psychological rupture in the mind of the viewer.
I personally found the cognitive dissonance of the scene very disturbing, and it affected my experience of the rest of the film, which seemed akin to Alfred Hitchcock's -- very purposive -- early set up of Vertigo, in which Jimmy Stewart's character is suspended off a building with no hope of rescue, so that all subsequent action in the movie, too, is 'suspended' over an abyss.
In this case, I doubt very much that this was the intention. But intended or not, the "nuke the fridge" scene suggests a more serious psychological consequence for the viewer, owing not only to the dissonance it evokes, but to the particular juncture in history when this film was released.
The rhetoric coming from the governments of the United States and Israel threatening Iran with attack is getting more frequent and more bellicose. Whether through the direct use of nuclear weapons on Iran's nuclear facilities, or simply through the destruction of such facilities by "conventional" means, we are probably closer to seeing a nuclear war than at any time since the end of the Soviet Union. It has become politically mainstream to threaten Iran with destruction (John McCain went so far as to sing about it) and none of the major political candidates running for U.S. president have stated that nuclear weapons are 'off the table.'
So to my mind Spielberg's and Lucas' narrative use of the Bomb is rather tone-deaf. While Crystal Skull isn't without its political commentary (it makes Indy the subject of a McCarthy-esque witch-hunt and has a character mutter, "I don't recognize this country anymore"), its attempt to bring the series into the 1950s fails, chiefly because of this sequence.
In the 1950s, the specter of nuclear destruction was so recent, so possible and so widely feared that it could not be treated this casually at the movies. In fact, a filmed depiction of nuclear destruction this realistic (minus the fridge, of course) would probably have panicked an audience in 1957 and retained a chilling reputation for decades. Yet 50 years on, it's little more than an inconvenience for Indiana Jones.
While nobody is going to be going out to buy lead-lined refrigerators after seeing the movie, I do worry that, like the actual nuclear tests of the 1950s, Crystal Skull will serve to desensitize audiences to nuclear war, normalizing atomic destruction at an historical moment when we should be most aroused against it.
Michael Dudley is a Research Associate at the Institute of Urban Studies at the University of Winnipeg. He teaches city history, environmental psychology and urban sustainability.
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Posted by: g on May 28, 2008 6:11 PM
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Posted by: supercrisp on May 29, 2008 5:44 AM
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The problem isn't the movie; the problem is that our leaders have a comic-book mentality.
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Posted by: cordas on May 30, 2008 3:07 AM
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What on earth, yeah I get the mickey taking of the scene it deserves that, but the rest of the rant is pretty much non-sensical, how on earth can a movie such as the new Indiana Jones film desensitise the audience to nukes.... If anything the movie will inspire fear of them the nuke specail effect is awesome in its destructive powers (Indy and Gopher aside everything else gets destroyed).
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Posted by: Michael_D on May 30, 2008 3:44 AM
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Some of these propagandist DO ever so subtly try to guide us to accepting war profiteering and power grabbing criminal activities in the name of "defending freedom and democracy"..
I would be suspicious of ANY pro-bush, pro-war, pro-war profiteering, pro-torture, pro-break-the-law-and-let-illegal-immigration-destroy-us, anti-United States Sovereignty, pro-AIPAC-lobbyist-for-the-current-racist-leaders-of-Israel, anti-acknowledge-the-truth-of-nine-eleven-and spread who seem to brush everything off as "just a movie" or as "propaganda" (like "just mainstream news, pay no attention to it's non-believers") When you see people ignore the truth or belittle it, (like this post will probably be done to before long.. as these anti-America freaks apparently have a fair sized network of website watchers and the like) any person with common sense can see through the bullshit. (and who is what)
Better research and take a stand now people not tomorrow - spread the truth about the Pentagon lies and cover ups that just came out..
We better realize why serious, largescale terrorism has existed in the first place or these corporate thugs and there religious fanatic friends and their fantasy media spinners who act like they know so much as they lie and belittle real patriots are going to continue to destroy this nation with their strategically placed lies and coverups.
Turn off your tv and
google video:
clinton chronicles
coke bush
iraq for sale
no end in sight
911 Mysteries Part 1 - Demolitions (Full - 1ed.)
bodyofwar com
IVAW org
patriotsquestion911 com
mossad
pilotsfor911truth org
911pressfortruth com
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Posted by: perkywa on May 30, 2008 4:13 AM
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Add to that all our glorious "leaders" invoking "mushroom clouds" and threatening to "obliterate Iran" and we have a recipe for a real disaster. Time to WAKE UP people this isn't a video game or lite entertainment...we are heading for an abyss I grew up hoping to never see (yes I went to school in the "duck and cover" days of the 1960's).
If anyone needs to "get a grip" it is the Sheeple of the United States of Armageddon.
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Posted by: CosmoViking on May 30, 2008 5:27 AM
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In a world where nuclear warheads can be moved around the country under highly suspicious circumstances, apparently involving deaths of officers, Dick Cheney (a disgusting human being if there ever was one - in fact i'm sure Anakin Skywalker woulnd not approve of Cheney being called 'Darth Vader' - seems like an insult) vs. high-level military brass active in stopping the neocon war agenda against Iran...
...How can you (the writer and Alternet) get your titties in a twist over something as light (albeit mythologically deep) as Indiana Jones and his experiences inside a Nevada test site (nuclear or otherwise)???
I'm laughing but the laughter prompted by this article was not intended I'm sure.
Verdict: Dud.
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Posted by: kungfoofighterx on May 30, 2008 6:36 AM
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Sitcoms and late night guys make fun of being raped in prison on TV.
Nuke the fridge.
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Posted by: lepidopteryx on May 30, 2008 7:10 AM
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No one goes to an Indiana Jones movie for realism or for political commentary.
If you want to see real archaeologists, watch the History or Discovery channels. If you want political commentary, go to a Michael Moore movie, not a George Lucas/Steven Speilberg collaboration involving space aliens.
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Posted by: Gravitas on May 30, 2008 7:18 AM
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Oh, but WAIT. Come to think of it, the man who took me is originally from Israel. I hadn't seen a movie in years but he somehow convinced me to go. Now it all makes sense. He obviously had ulterior motives. His whole purpose in dating me this weekend was to deliberalize me and send me back to being a brainwashed media addict!!!!Single liberal women BEWARE. It could happen to you too!!!(Sad that I have to insert this declaimer I am being factitious!!!!)
You know, when an article can make an old conspiracy theorist like me roll her eyes, you know you are losing it.
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Posted by: weenie on May 30, 2008 7:23 AM
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Posted by: Ottomatic on May 30, 2008 7:23 AM
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Spleenburg bursts another vessel.
Everything is done for a reason.
Soften the opposition
By
Carpet Bombing them with
Miss-information.
Big vote coming up this week in congress on Nuclear Power
Another half million x a million to be flushed down the toilet
With a Radio Active Chaser
That has a half life of fourteen thousand years.
Some legacy?
For people who forget to take out the garbage.
Check out the hidden pictures of Japan after being Nuked and forget the BU__! SH__!
Nobody walls away.
H. Ford is an old Zio-Spew salesman.
Same Corpirate Crime
Same Corpirate Channel
FRANKENSTEIN
The Mad scientist is still in charge.
They Spend Billions
To enslave millions.
BAD Media is the message.
Turn it off
Turn off the thrill ride, sensationalist
PROPAGANDA!
Put Humanity back on center stage where it belongs.
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Posted by: counterpoint on May 30, 2008 7:37 AM
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Yee ha!
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Posted by: Scientz on May 30, 2008 7:50 AM
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Was.
Great.
Grow.
Up.
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Posted by: Illiteratilumen on May 30, 2008 8:37 AM
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I can only pray that we have learned our lessons from the Terminator and Matrix series and we will never, ever let the internet become self-aware and enslave us all with with deadly robot technology.
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Posted by: blogbooks on May 30, 2008 9:09 AM
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Or...maybe I will.
First of all, being in the center of a nuclear blast is pretty much going to kill you whether you're behind a few inches of lead or not. The heat alone would fry you.
Second, even if the blast flung the fridge a long distance away (it wouldn't), the force of such would probably kill you.
Third, the radiation when he climbed out of the fridge would have killed him sooner or later.
And....so on.
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Posted by: Scientz on May 30, 2008 10:00 AM
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Remember? It was a dress rehearsal for fascism.
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Posted by: jareilly on May 30, 2008 3:47 PM
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Many scenes in the movie used CGI to create unbelievable effects (Shia LeBoeuf doing Tarzan with the monkeys) for laughs. They were preposterous and funny partly because they were preposterous. Fine. The mushroom cloud and test site destruction scenes, unlike the jungle and lost city scenes, were clearly designed to look realistic. They were based at least partly on DOD stock footage of bomb tests in NV. They were not preposterous although the Jones character's survival was preposterous. A mushroom cloud really looks a lot like that; might look like that towering a mile or two over your soon to be dead head.
So, what's the point? Where's the humor in that?
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» No, I don't see that as the point of the article at all.
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Posted by: brianct on May 30, 2008 8:44 PM
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=2aOoNmCrxcE
However, the nuclear bomb scene is not the only scene that shows Spielberg/Lucas in lighthearted entertaining mode. There is also the scene where the KGB men are friend by the rockets of the sled. Here the audience gets its revenge buttons, pushed when the KBG kills the american soldiers, released. Notice how Indy has morphed into a cold war OSS man! lets hope that this time Indy has been put to bed for good.
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Posted by: ceti on May 31, 2008 3:31 PM
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This is how they can get away with blatant racism and colonialism as in the Temple of Doom (Largely vegetarian Indians eating insects and monkey brains? WTF?). It is all explained away as some sort of homage to the B-Grade Matinee thrillers of an earlier era. Hmmm... That's a pretty sorry excuse, but then again, there was Jar Jar Binks.
The current movie replaces Nazis with Soviets with Cate Blanchett doing some sort of vaguely East European impression. Not really convincing, especially in South America where the Americans would be the bad guys. Russians have every right to be upset about this, but they can join the club.
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Posted by: AsteroidMiner on May 31, 2008 11:04 PM
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Soviet Union that could make us extinct, nor do nuclear bombs
match global warming because global warming could make us
extinct. We would need 10000 times as many nuclear weapons
as we have to make ourselves extinct with them.
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Posted by: mdudley609 on Jun 1, 2008 4:45 AM
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To those who think I'm taking a fantasy film too seriously: that's just my problem -- it is a fantasy film, and watching a nuclear apocalypse go off around Indy does irreparable damage to the fantasy universe the films have set up. While the Bomb has driven the plots of any number of adventure films (Thunderball etc) actually setting one off a few thousand yards from the film's hero is a whole order of horror beyond anything the viewer should expect or tolerate. It's kind of like having the film-makers come up with a clever and amusing way for Indy to escape from a gas chamber at Auschwitz. It's too terrible a thing to make light entertainment out of.
But I think the biggest reason why this is a mind f**k is how monumentally unnecessary it is to the film's plot. It's completely irrelevant, a total non-sequitur. It could be completely removed from the film with no loss of coherence. We interrupt this film to bring you a scene from the end of the world.
As a result, a beloved film character is put through an experience the audience knows he couldn't have survived, and for no good reason. It's not just that it's unbelievable; the audience simply *cannot believe* he's still alive. I don't know about you, but I kept waiting for his hair to fall out. Not the kind of thinking you want to be doing at an Indiana Jones film!
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Posted by: supercrisp on May 29, 2008 5:44 AM
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The problem isn't the movie; the problem is that our leaders have a comic-book mentality.
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Posted by: cordas on May 30, 2008 3:07 AM
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What on earth, yeah I get the mickey taking of the scene it deserves that, but the rest of the rant is pretty much non-sensical, how on earth can a movie such as the new Indiana Jones film desensitise the audience to nukes.... If anything the movie will inspire fear of them the nuke specail effect is awesome in its destructive powers (Indy and Gopher aside everything else gets destroyed).
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Posted by: Michael_D on May 30, 2008 3:44 AM
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Some of these propagandist DO ever so subtly try to guide us to accepting war profiteering and power grabbing criminal activities in the name of "defending freedom and democracy"..
I would be suspicious of ANY pro-bush, pro-war, pro-war profiteering, pro-torture, pro-break-the-law-and-let-illegal-immigration-destroy-us, anti-United States Sovereignty, pro-AIPAC-lobbyist-for-the-current-racist-leaders-of-Israel, anti-acknowledge-the-truth-of-nine-eleven-and spread who seem to brush everything off as "just a movie" or as "propaganda" (like "just mainstream news, pay no attention to it's non-believers") When you see people ignore the truth or belittle it, (like this post will probably be done to before long.. as these anti-America freaks apparently have a fair sized network of website watchers and the like) any person with common sense can see through the bullshit. (and who is what)
Better research and take a stand now people not tomorrow - spread the truth about the Pentagon lies and cover ups that just came out..
We better realize why serious, largescale terrorism has existed in the first place or these corporate thugs and there religious fanatic friends and their fantasy media spinners who act like they know so much as they lie and belittle real patriots are going to continue to destroy this nation with their strategically placed lies and coverups.
Turn off your tv and
google video:
clinton chronicles
coke bush
iraq for sale
no end in sight
911 Mysteries Part 1 - Demolitions (Full - 1ed.)
bodyofwar com
IVAW org
patriotsquestion911 com
mossad
pilotsfor911truth org
911pressfortruth com
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Posted by: perkywa on May 30, 2008 4:13 AM
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Add to that all our glorious "leaders" invoking "mushroom clouds" and threatening to "obliterate Iran" and we have a recipe for a real disaster. Time to WAKE UP people this isn't a video game or lite entertainment...we are heading for an abyss I grew up hoping to never see (yes I went to school in the "duck and cover" days of the 1960's).
If anyone needs to "get a grip" it is the Sheeple of the United States of Armageddon.
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Posted by: CosmoViking on May 30, 2008 5:27 AM
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In a world where nuclear warheads can be moved around the country under highly suspicious circumstances, apparently involving deaths of officers, Dick Cheney (a disgusting human being if there ever was one - in fact i'm sure Anakin Skywalker woulnd not approve of Cheney being called 'Darth Vader' - seems like an insult) vs. high-level military brass active in stopping the neocon war agenda against Iran...
...How can you (the writer and Alternet) get your titties in a twist over something as light (albeit mythologically deep) as Indiana Jones and his experiences inside a Nevada test site (nuclear or otherwise)???
I'm laughing but the laughter prompted by this article was not intended I'm sure.
Verdict: Dud.
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Posted by: kungfoofighterx on May 30, 2008 6:36 AM
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Sitcoms and late night guys make fun of being raped in prison on TV.
Nuke the fridge.
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Posted by: lepidopteryx on May 30, 2008 7:10 AM
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No one goes to an Indiana Jones movie for realism or for political commentary.
If you want to see real archaeologists, watch the History or Discovery channels. If you want political commentary, go to a Michael Moore movie, not a George Lucas/Steven Speilberg collaboration involving space aliens.
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Posted by: Gravitas on May 30, 2008 7:18 AM
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Oh, but WAIT. Come to think of it, the man who took me is originally from Israel. I hadn't seen a movie in years but he somehow convinced me to go. Now it all makes sense. He obviously had ulterior motives. His whole purpose in dating me this weekend was to deliberalize me and send me back to being a brainwashed media addict!!!!Single liberal women BEWARE. It could happen to you too!!!(Sad that I have to insert this declaimer I am being factitious!!!!)
You know, when an article can make an old conspiracy theorist like me roll her eyes, you know you are losing it.
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Posted by: weenie on May 30, 2008 7:23 AM
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Posted by: Ottomatic on May 30, 2008 7:23 AM
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Spleenburg bursts another vessel.
Everything is done for a reason.
Soften the opposition
By
Carpet Bombing them with
Miss-information.
Big vote coming up this week in congress on Nuclear Power
Another half million x a million to be flushed down the toilet
With a Radio Active Chaser
That has a half life of fourteen thousand years.
Some legacy?
For people who forget to take out the garbage.
Check out the hidden pictures of Japan after being Nuked and forget the BU__! SH__!
Nobody walls away.
H. Ford is an old Zio-Spew salesman.
Same Corpirate Crime
Same Corpirate Channel
FRANKENSTEIN
The Mad scientist is still in charge.
They Spend Billions
To enslave millions.
BAD Media is the message.
Turn it off
Turn off the thrill ride, sensationalist
PROPAGANDA!
Put Humanity back on center stage where it belongs.
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Posted by: counterpoint on May 30, 2008 7:37 AM
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Yee ha!
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Posted by: Scientz on May 30, 2008 7:50 AM
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Was.
Great.
Grow.
Up.
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» Have you considered a little self-analysis?
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Posted by: Illiteratilumen on May 30, 2008 8:37 AM
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I can only pray that we have learned our lessons from the Terminator and Matrix series and we will never, ever let the internet become self-aware and enslave us all with with deadly robot technology.
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Posted by: blogbooks on May 30, 2008 9:09 AM
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Or...maybe I will.
First of all, being in the center of a nuclear blast is pretty much going to kill you whether you're behind a few inches of lead or not. The heat alone would fry you.
Second, even if the blast flung the fridge a long distance away (it wouldn't), the force of such would probably kill you.
Third, the radiation when he climbed out of the fridge would have killed him sooner or later.
And....so on.
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» RE: The fridge scene was over the top.
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» RE: The fridge scene was over the top.
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Posted by: tattery202 on May 30, 2008 9:13 AM
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Posted by: Scientz on May 30, 2008 10:00 AM
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Remember? It was a dress rehearsal for fascism.
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» LOL . . .
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Posted by: jim_altman on May 30, 2008 1:37 PM
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Posted by: jareilly on May 30, 2008 3:47 PM
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Many scenes in the movie used CGI to create unbelievable effects (Shia LeBoeuf doing Tarzan with the monkeys) for laughs. They were preposterous and funny partly because they were preposterous. Fine. The mushroom cloud and test site destruction scenes, unlike the jungle and lost city scenes, were clearly designed to look realistic. They were based at least partly on DOD stock footage of bomb tests in NV. They were not preposterous although the Jones character's survival was preposterous. A mushroom cloud really looks a lot like that; might look like that towering a mile or two over your soon to be dead head.
So, what's the point? Where's the humor in that?
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» No, I don't see that as the point of the article at all.
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Posted by: brianct on May 30, 2008 8:44 PM
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=2aOoNmCrxcE
However, the nuclear bomb scene is not the only scene that shows Spielberg/Lucas in lighthearted entertaining mode. There is also the scene where the KGB men are friend by the rockets of the sled. Here the audience gets its revenge buttons, pushed when the KBG kills the american soldiers, released. Notice how Indy has morphed into a cold war OSS man! lets hope that this time Indy has been put to bed for good.
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Posted by: YogiBear on May 30, 2008 10:28 PM
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Posted by: ceti on May 31, 2008 3:31 PM
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This is how they can get away with blatant racism and colonialism as in the Temple of Doom (Largely vegetarian Indians eating insects and monkey brains? WTF?). It is all explained away as some sort of homage to the B-Grade Matinee thrillers of an earlier era. Hmmm... That's a pretty sorry excuse, but then again, there was Jar Jar Binks.
The current movie replaces Nazis with Soviets with Cate Blanchett doing some sort of vaguely East European impression. Not really convincing, especially in South America where the Americans would be the bad guys. Russians have every right to be upset about this, but they can join the club.
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Posted by: mattdanger on May 31, 2008 7:30 PM
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Posted by: AsteroidMiner on May 31, 2008 11:04 PM
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Soviet Union that could make us extinct, nor do nuclear bombs
match global warming because global warming could make us
extinct. We would need 10000 times as many nuclear weapons
as we have to make ourselves extinct with them.
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Posted by: mdudley609 on Jun 1, 2008 4:45 AM
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To those who think I'm taking a fantasy film too seriously: that's just my problem -- it is a fantasy film, and watching a nuclear apocalypse go off around Indy does irreparable damage to the fantasy universe the films have set up. While the Bomb has driven the plots of any number of adventure films (Thunderball etc) actually setting one off a few thousand yards from the film's hero is a whole order of horror beyond anything the viewer should expect or tolerate. It's kind of like having the film-makers come up with a clever and amusing way for Indy to escape from a gas chamber at Auschwitz. It's too terrible a thing to make light entertainment out of.
But I think the biggest reason why this is a mind f**k is how monumentally unnecessary it is to the film's plot. It's completely irrelevant, a total non-sequitur. It could be completely removed from the film with no loss of coherence. We interrupt this film to bring you a scene from the end of the world.
As a result, a beloved film character is put through an experience the audience knows he couldn't have survived, and for no good reason. It's not just that it's unbelievable; the audience simply *cannot believe* he's still alive. I don't know about you, but I kept waiting for his hair to fall out. Not the kind of thinking you want to be doing at an Indiana Jones film!
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