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'Stop Loss': Patriotic Bluster Dressed up As a Protest Movie
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Though it has all that Texas barbecue sauce ladled on top of it, Stop-Loss is actually a traditional male weepy about war, full of American flags flapping, and pop tunes blaring, and young Hollywood actors in military haircuts, frowning to show they understand this is serious. Updated by Paramount and Mtv Films for the YouTube generation, it features a lot of beefcake starlets (Ryan Phillipe, Channing Tatum, Joseph Gordon-Levitt) posing with weapons and trying out hayseed accents: "Ah signed up thinkin' Ah was goin' there fer mah country. Everthin' turned out so diffrunt than we thought ..."
I saw it at a Southern California multiplex where half the audience was snuffling into their Kleenexes over our brave American boys having to fight this cruel, cruel war. The war in Iraq, I should specify again; otherwise, you might get confused. Because if you've seen any lugubrious Hollywood war movies made since Wings was the big hit of 1927, you'll recognize this mash-up. World War I, World War II, Korean War, Viet Nam, The Best Years of Our Lives, The Deer Hunter, Platoon, whatever. It's always the flower of young American manhood in all its ignorant jarhead glory sacrificed on the altar of our country for some goddamn foreign war. As the heartthrob hero in Stop-Loss bleats, "This is WRONG!!"
Stop-Loss is the latest in an apparently endless series of films lamenting our Middle East debacle that includes In the Valley of Elah, Rendition, Redacted, No End in Sight, and The Kingdom. They've all gone straight into the box-office crapper, rejected by an American public that already knows we're screwed over there, or else doesn't want to know. But director Kimberly Peirce (Boys Don't Cry), who also wrote the screenplay with Mark Richard, has figured out a way to sugarcoat this pill for the average filmgoer. She gives us a protest movie about the war that -- follow me closely here -- doesn't actually protest the war. Because that would be a bummer, getting us into that whole thing again about Bush and Cheney and the WMDs that weren't there and the no-exit-strategy. Not to mention the 4,000 dead Americans we're sort of peeved about. We support our troops, you know! In this movie Peirce insists on supporting our troops so hard it's impossible to figure out what's ailing us, watching these fine boys with their fine parents all having fine values in this fine country of ours. Nagging questions hang over the whole project: if our Texas-style patriotism is so great, and our mission to defend America is so great, and we've got hordes of studly young guys leaping at the opportunity to go fight whoever they're told, and they're all great, too, and their families and communities are great, then uh ... what's the problem? Why isn't everybody happy?
Well, for one thing, it turns out that if you go fight in a war, you can get SHOT. Yeah! It's true! Even a righteous American, with a big gun, and a Kevlar vest, and a Hummer! That's the movie's first-act revelation. We see our boys in Iraq, doing their jobs chasing insurgents into local people's apartments, and those bastards start SHOOTING at 'em!
But okay, the young Texans do their duty anyway under these testing conditions. They're all best buddies from the same town, see, and when a buddy is threatened they naturally have to slaughter a whole Iraqi family, per the army training manual, down to the littlest child. Lingering close-ups of the dead family will come in handy later as fodder for those post-war flashbacks. Then, just when the guys get home and get their medals pinned on and think they're done servin' their country, they're threatened with the presidential stop-loss order sending soldiers who've done their tours back to active duty. This is the second-act revelation, that George W. Bush, the pride of Crawford, Texas, might be kind of a dick.
Anyway, our hero, Sgt. Brandon King, played by Ryan Phillipe, goes AWOL, not because he's scared or anything, but on principle. Remember Phillipe, that soft boy actor with the rosebud lips and the hair like a poodle who used to be married to Reese Witherspoon? Here he's got a buzz-cut and a square jaw and he's the best-loved sergeant since Burt Lancaster strode around befriending the enlisted men in From Here to Eternity. He's a walking, talking recruitment poster for what the military can do for an effete young girlyman.
Director Peirce hasn't really come up with a new crowd-pleasing formula for war movies. She's just remembered the old one: glamorize war while pretending to deplore it. She could have a prosperous second career shooting TV ads for the army, showing how you can Be All You Can Be through the glories of male bonding under fire, followed by the romantic home-front agonies of post-traumatic stress disorder. Oh, the soulful head-clutching, the faraway gazes, the bad-boy drunken antics followed by hugs, the stoic chin-lifts, the trickle of not-unmanly tears! Plus the big bonus of having concerned token females clustering around murmuring "Ah just don't know what's wrong with Tommy/Eddie/Jimmy/Steve!" Then the hot chick of the bunch, Michelle (Abbie Cornish), goes AWOL with Brandon, even though she's engaged to his best friend Steve. The reasons for this plot twist make no sense, except that, in movies, when a guy hits the road on a doomed journey across America, he must take the hottest available female along with him. I admit I could be prejudiced against this film because of my hatred of the Texas two-step and all that comes with it.
Other reviewers are all for it, though. A.O. Scott of the New York Times, for example, admires its "tang of authenticity." Just to give you a sense of what he means, here's a description of one of the authentic sequences. Unarmed and on the run, Brandon confronts two thugs in a dark alley who've robbed his car, and demands his stuff back. Naturally, they beat him up, one hitting him in the head with a baseball bat, the other kicking him repeatedly in the stomach while he's on the ground. But this treatment doesn't faze Brandon. He's not just tough, he's army-tough. Inspired by Iraq flashbacks the way Popeye is inspired by spinach, he leaps up to pummel both guys, plus a third one who's come in from nowhere and pulled a gun on him. In no time he's got all three hardened criminals on their knees, quaking in terror and begging for mercy.
That's what makes Stop-Loss such a notable film, its uncompromising realism. A lowly escapist popcorn movie would've set up this scene with some ludicrous back-story, telling us our hero is a Navy SEAL, or an assassin trained in every known martial art, or one of the Fantastic Four. But here, we get to see how an ordinary staff sergeant in real life does hand-to-hand combat. Who knew the army offered this kind of training? It might not do much against the Iraqis, but you can kick some major ass when you get home.
Having just taken a baseball bat upside the skull, Brandon has a neat semi-circular cut on his forehead. He follows his military training and goes to the motel bathroom mirror to doctor himself up. That's when the hometown hottie insists on tending his wounds in an erotic manner, just the way it always happens in life. After watching this scene, you might ask yourself, what's behind this fierce commitment to authenticity on the part of the director, Kimberly Peirce? Well, it turns out her brother fought in Iraq, which inspired her to bring this unvarnished portrayal of the veteran's experience to the screen. I'm assuming her brother is a pretty awesome guy. And her brother's army buddies, they're all awesome guys, and their families and communities are awesome, and the heartland they live in, super-awesome, and the tradition of signing up no-questions-asked to defend your country is, again, awesome, and the military is the mother of all awesomeness, and ... what was our problem again?
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Posted by: thub on Apr 4, 2008 7:38 AM
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Apr 4, 2008 7:58 AM
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Posted by: DaBear on Apr 4, 2008 6:50 PM
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I knew it was likely to be patriotic Texan stoopid when I went in. When I left the theater, I felt I needed a shower... propaganda tends to make me feel especially dirty. I had hopes... and shoulda known better.
The vets I saw it with were pissed off and were offended by the patriotic bullshit, how twisted around everything seemed, "like it stood reality on its head, man." But what do they know, they all had missing body parts from IEDs. Only one of them managed to sit the whole way through it and he demanded his money back. If only he'd have kicked the manager's ass like Brandon...
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Posted by: Scientz on Apr 7, 2008 3:35 AM
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You think Americans want to learn about the complexity of which they are a complicit part? Have you been AWAKE for the past 7-8 years? 7-8 DECADES even?
Wow.
I think you need to get back out among the ignorant masses and realize who this movie was made for; it clearly isn't you.
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Posted by: jmmartin on Apr 7, 2008 5:28 AM
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In the first place, "starlets" is derogatory when applied to a male. Female actors (who used to be called "actresses") are "starlets"; male actors (which is redundant), "stars."
Second, you've given me a perfectly good reason to see the movie despite your negative critique. There aren't three more interesting, handsome, talented young players in the movies today than these three. However, I do think I'll wait till it shows up in the $1 New Release kiosk (in about three months).
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Posted by: MikeOckhurtz on Apr 7, 2008 5:37 AM
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The questions to ask is who made this film? What do they believe? What are their motives? Who financed it? Who edited it? Was the evil five sided Izraeli Pentagon involved? Of course, they usually have some pul when it comes to the military.
As an aside - maybe we should just nuke Texas. We can give the good Texans a chance to leave and just nuke the rest. America doesn't need it.
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Posted by: taxidriver on Apr 7, 2008 5:42 AM
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And our SGT? He's not just strong: he's ARMY STRONG!
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Posted by: zeitgeist1979 on Apr 7, 2008 6:00 AM
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Going into this movie, I had my doubts about the choice of actors. Mainly, about Ryan Phillipe and Joseph Gordon-Levitt. I thought it would be hard to buy Ryan Phillipe in a role in which he would have to play a character that is tough, homely, and with a very strong social consciousness. I am so used to Ryan playing characters in other movies where he is basically the preppy self-absorbed pretty spoiled elitist boy (for example, in the movie "Cruel Intentions", co-starring Sarah Michelle-Gellar). By the same token, I am used to Joseph Gordon-Levitt in comedic roles of characters that are awkward scrawny geeks (like when he was on that show, "Third Rock From the Sun"). Well, boy was I wrong! Both of Ryan's and Joseph's performances blew me away. They were TOTALLY believable in their roles and they even made me tear up quite a few times with their performances (what can I say, issues that have to do with Veterans and how the government sometimes screws them over, taking advantage of the bonds that soldiers forge amongs themselves, that always gets to me).
I really hope that you go watch the movie. I highly recommend it!
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Posted by: Incertus (Bradley) on Apr 7, 2008 6:22 AM
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The real problem with this movie-- and I say this as someone who has been against the war and occupation from the start-- is that it sacrifices its own narrative in order to pursue its progressive political agenda. If the movie had focused on the struggles these three men have trying to adjust to life back home in Texas after having been in Iraq, it might have been compelling. But instead, Peirce decided to sacrifice character development and naturalistic dialogue for a heavy-handed polemic about this particular political/military issue. That I ultimately agree with her politically does not mean that I appreciate her abandonment of craft in favor of "delivering a message." It's an After School Special for people who keep diaries on the Daily Kos-- substitute the phrase "It's a back-door draft, is what it is" for "I think Tommy's been huffing" or "Cindy, eat something!"
The problem with Stop-Loss, I thought, was its complete lack of subtlety. But maybe I was wrong-- obviously, there are some people who didn't get Peirce's message despite her attempts to hit them over the head with it. For such people, I would suggest seeing another, less challenging movie-- The Other Boleyn Girl is still in the theaters and doesn't feature the oh-so-offensive Texas accent, but if that's too highbrow there's also Superhero Movie and College Road Trip.
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Posted by: talkville on Apr 7, 2008 6:29 AM
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With regard to war and war making, the vast majorities here are familiar with it through 'behind the eyes' - in Imagination. The control and structuring of imaginations is always in the forefront; we'll all internalize and do the rest of the work for them.
The Luxury of 'witnessing' portrayals of war -- even ostensibly crude and rough depictions -- is a quintessentially American pastime.
"War is Hell" is glaringly portrayed in the foreground, "but it's gotta be done" is more muted and in the background. ALWAYS the American Soldier, even when a bit ambiguously portrayed, is at bottom the ultimate essence of Good. ALWAYS the Enemy and the Other is the ultimate essence of Bad and must be piously, compassionately or coldly dispatched forthwith.
No matter how great a story is as a story, it will always remain a story. The intentions, motivations and purposes of conception through production to release at this particular time, and in that particular form and in those particular spaces is much more difficult to dis-entangle.
As with all experiences from the Outside-In, there are levels of effect from the surface of consciousness to the depths of the sub-conscious. Hollywood knows this well and the Military, Economic and Political parties interested in the matter know they know it well.
"Hearts and Minds". Propaganda in the strictest and more generalized senses of the term. Just why might movies like this be coming out just now?
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Posted by: RobNLA on Apr 7, 2008 8:33 AM
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That being said, I think Stop Loss was a good movie. It tried to give an even handed approach to the war, to tell a story of a soldier torn between conflicting feelings...his disgust of the brutality and anguish of the war versus his love of life in Texas with his family and friends.
This is the situation our soldiers are put in when they are forced to go back into Iraq and Afganistan over and over, compelled to endure over-extended tours of duty.
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Posted by: ruscle on Apr 7, 2008 12:17 PM
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I'm against the war.
No, I'm more against the war than you.
So Hollywood casts beautiful people. And War movies often contain the mix ambiguities of War is Hell and We love our Country.
It is time we stopped fighting amongst ourselves, picking apart each other's work and started focusing on the real enemy... the neo-cons and corporatists. You should give credit that this movie was even made. A few people who are pro-war will see this and it will make them think long and hard about McCain's love of war as national policy. This is a good thing. Being bitter about the presentation because it's not gritty enough for you is spitting in the face of your friend.
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Posted by: jwc1480 on Apr 7, 2008 1:09 PM
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hayseed accents? Could this be everything and everyone who do not conform to her so. cal. view of the world? Thank goodness she has the right to express her bigoted views. Granted by a soldier, no doubt.
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Posted by: Litt_Wmn on Apr 7, 2008 4:27 PM
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The excuse that the soldiers were poor and were forced to join the army, or that they were just following orders, just does not suffice. Terrorists too, are brainwashed young men who are just following orders. And where does that get us? Precisely.
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Posted by: austex_chris on Apr 7, 2008 7:38 PM
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Texas is a great place, too bad these Hollywood types portray a stereotype in the movies all the time. It's a shame really because there are good Texans out there like Willie Nelson. In fact, the Republicans only have a hold on Texas because they redistricted the entire state to make it near impossible for Democrats to win anything. You have areas where rednecks who own three or four huge ranches control entire voting districts. But believe me, when you live here you find some real gems.
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Apr 7, 2008 7:45 PM
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Oh, they're all for the war, however. And supporting "our boys".
I've actually had people tell me they think that Iraq is located in Africa someplace. That Iraqis are Ay-rabs and go around riding camels with towels around their heads. That all the Ay-rabs want to kill us. That the "Mohammedans" are wild-eyed savages who go around all day chanting "death to america". That if it wasn't for Prez-dent Bush those "terr-ists" would get us. That that fellow S'dam was the anti-Christ, that the war in the Middle East is just a sign of the EndTimes approaching.
I don't even know what the answer is to bring some light to the darkness of the average mind out here. I never thought I would ever see a country--mine, no less--actually go backward.
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Posted by: DaBear on Apr 4, 2008 6:50 PM
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I knew it was likely to be patriotic Texan stoopid when I went in. When I left the theater, I felt I needed a shower... propaganda tends to make me feel especially dirty. I had hopes... and shoulda known better.
The vets I saw it with were pissed off and were offended by the patriotic bullshit, how twisted around everything seemed, "like it stood reality on its head, man." But what do they know, they all had missing body parts from IEDs. Only one of them managed to sit the whole way through it and he demanded his money back. If only he'd have kicked the manager's ass like Brandon...
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Posted by: Scientz on Apr 7, 2008 3:35 AM
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You think Americans want to learn about the complexity of which they are a complicit part? Have you been AWAKE for the past 7-8 years? 7-8 DECADES even?
Wow.
I think you need to get back out among the ignorant masses and realize who this movie was made for; it clearly isn't you.
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Posted by: jmmartin on Apr 7, 2008 5:28 AM
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In the first place, "starlets" is derogatory when applied to a male. Female actors (who used to be called "actresses") are "starlets"; male actors (which is redundant), "stars."
Second, you've given me a perfectly good reason to see the movie despite your negative critique. There aren't three more interesting, handsome, talented young players in the movies today than these three. However, I do think I'll wait till it shows up in the $1 New Release kiosk (in about three months).
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Posted by: MikeOckhurtz on Apr 7, 2008 5:37 AM
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The questions to ask is who made this film? What do they believe? What are their motives? Who financed it? Who edited it? Was the evil five sided Izraeli Pentagon involved? Of course, they usually have some pul when it comes to the military.
As an aside - maybe we should just nuke Texas. We can give the good Texans a chance to leave and just nuke the rest. America doesn't need it.
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Posted by: taxidriver on Apr 7, 2008 5:42 AM
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And our SGT? He's not just strong: he's ARMY STRONG!
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Posted by: zeitgeist1979 on Apr 7, 2008 6:00 AM
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Going into this movie, I had my doubts about the choice of actors. Mainly, about Ryan Phillipe and Joseph Gordon-Levitt. I thought it would be hard to buy Ryan Phillipe in a role in which he would have to play a character that is tough, homely, and with a very strong social consciousness. I am so used to Ryan playing characters in other movies where he is basically the preppy self-absorbed pretty spoiled elitist boy (for example, in the movie "Cruel Intentions", co-starring Sarah Michelle-Gellar). By the same token, I am used to Joseph Gordon-Levitt in comedic roles of characters that are awkward scrawny geeks (like when he was on that show, "Third Rock From the Sun"). Well, boy was I wrong! Both of Ryan's and Joseph's performances blew me away. They were TOTALLY believable in their roles and they even made me tear up quite a few times with their performances (what can I say, issues that have to do with Veterans and how the government sometimes screws them over, taking advantage of the bonds that soldiers forge amongs themselves, that always gets to me).
I really hope that you go watch the movie. I highly recommend it!
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Posted by: citizenjoe on Apr 7, 2008 6:03 AM
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Posted by: Incertus (Bradley) on Apr 7, 2008 6:22 AM
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The real problem with this movie-- and I say this as someone who has been against the war and occupation from the start-- is that it sacrifices its own narrative in order to pursue its progressive political agenda. If the movie had focused on the struggles these three men have trying to adjust to life back home in Texas after having been in Iraq, it might have been compelling. But instead, Peirce decided to sacrifice character development and naturalistic dialogue for a heavy-handed polemic about this particular political/military issue. That I ultimately agree with her politically does not mean that I appreciate her abandonment of craft in favor of "delivering a message." It's an After School Special for people who keep diaries on the Daily Kos-- substitute the phrase "It's a back-door draft, is what it is" for "I think Tommy's been huffing" or "Cindy, eat something!"
The problem with Stop-Loss, I thought, was its complete lack of subtlety. But maybe I was wrong-- obviously, there are some people who didn't get Peirce's message despite her attempts to hit them over the head with it. For such people, I would suggest seeing another, less challenging movie-- The Other Boleyn Girl is still in the theaters and doesn't feature the oh-so-offensive Texas accent, but if that's too highbrow there's also Superhero Movie and College Road Trip.
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Posted by: talkville on Apr 7, 2008 6:29 AM
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With regard to war and war making, the vast majorities here are familiar with it through 'behind the eyes' - in Imagination. The control and structuring of imaginations is always in the forefront; we'll all internalize and do the rest of the work for them.
The Luxury of 'witnessing' portrayals of war -- even ostensibly crude and rough depictions -- is a quintessentially American pastime.
"War is Hell" is glaringly portrayed in the foreground, "but it's gotta be done" is more muted and in the background. ALWAYS the American Soldier, even when a bit ambiguously portrayed, is at bottom the ultimate essence of Good. ALWAYS the Enemy and the Other is the ultimate essence of Bad and must be piously, compassionately or coldly dispatched forthwith.
No matter how great a story is as a story, it will always remain a story. The intentions, motivations and purposes of conception through production to release at this particular time, and in that particular form and in those particular spaces is much more difficult to dis-entangle.
As with all experiences from the Outside-In, there are levels of effect from the surface of consciousness to the depths of the sub-conscious. Hollywood knows this well and the Military, Economic and Political parties interested in the matter know they know it well.
"Hearts and Minds". Propaganda in the strictest and more generalized senses of the term. Just why might movies like this be coming out just now?
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Posted by: thekidde on Apr 7, 2008 6:31 AM
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Posted by: Ellie1 on Apr 7, 2008 7:45 AM
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Posted by: grn1 on Apr 7, 2008 8:27 AM
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Posted by: RobNLA on Apr 7, 2008 8:33 AM
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That being said, I think Stop Loss was a good movie. It tried to give an even handed approach to the war, to tell a story of a soldier torn between conflicting feelings...his disgust of the brutality and anguish of the war versus his love of life in Texas with his family and friends.
This is the situation our soldiers are put in when they are forced to go back into Iraq and Afganistan over and over, compelled to endure over-extended tours of duty.
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Posted by: Gilded_Truth on Apr 7, 2008 10:59 AM
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Posted by: ruscle on Apr 7, 2008 12:17 PM
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I'm against the war.
No, I'm more against the war than you.
So Hollywood casts beautiful people. And War movies often contain the mix ambiguities of War is Hell and We love our Country.
It is time we stopped fighting amongst ourselves, picking apart each other's work and started focusing on the real enemy... the neo-cons and corporatists. You should give credit that this movie was even made. A few people who are pro-war will see this and it will make them think long and hard about McCain's love of war as national policy. This is a good thing. Being bitter about the presentation because it's not gritty enough for you is spitting in the face of your friend.
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Posted by: jwc1480 on Apr 7, 2008 1:09 PM
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hayseed accents? Could this be everything and everyone who do not conform to her so. cal. view of the world? Thank goodness she has the right to express her bigoted views. Granted by a soldier, no doubt.
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Posted by: Litt_Wmn on Apr 7, 2008 4:27 PM
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The excuse that the soldiers were poor and were forced to join the army, or that they were just following orders, just does not suffice. Terrorists too, are brainwashed young men who are just following orders. And where does that get us? Precisely.
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Posted by: austex_chris on Apr 7, 2008 7:38 PM
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Texas is a great place, too bad these Hollywood types portray a stereotype in the movies all the time. It's a shame really because there are good Texans out there like Willie Nelson. In fact, the Republicans only have a hold on Texas because they redistricted the entire state to make it near impossible for Democrats to win anything. You have areas where rednecks who own three or four huge ranches control entire voting districts. But believe me, when you live here you find some real gems.
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Apr 7, 2008 7:45 PM
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Oh, they're all for the war, however. And supporting "our boys".
I've actually had people tell me they think that Iraq is located in Africa someplace. That Iraqis are Ay-rabs and go around riding camels with towels around their heads. That all the Ay-rabs want to kill us. That the "Mohammedans" are wild-eyed savages who go around all day chanting "death to america". That if it wasn't for Prez-dent Bush those "terr-ists" would get us. That that fellow S'dam was the anti-Christ, that the war in the Middle East is just a sign of the EndTimes approaching.
I don't even know what the answer is to bring some light to the darkness of the average mind out here. I never thought I would ever see a country--mine, no less--actually go backward.
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